Coextinction

In this episode, Victoria shares her journey from studying photojournalism and environmental science in Ohio to working on high-profile conservation projects like Co-Extinction. They discuss their experiences with wildlife and indigenous communities, the challenges of conservation videography, and the importance of education and advocacy for environmental justice. The conversation also highlights the impact of their work and the ongoing efforts to protect endangered species and ecosystems.

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I love doing land -based whale watching. 
I think it's a really awesome opportunity because, one, it can be really hard to shoot on a boat. 
And then, two, you know, it's less disruptive to the animals, which I think is something really important to consider. 
And it's also, yeah, it feels almost a little bit more special because you have to be so patient. 
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I am excited about today's episode because I got to catch up with a colleague from my aquarium days, 
Victoria, and it's been been really cool to watch her develop and grow and see the types of changes that she's making for our environment is just incredible. 
Victoria Obermeyer is the executive producer and videographer for Coextinction. 
Victoria is a driven environmental photojournalist and filmmaker with a wide variety of field research and journalistic experience, 
ranging from live broadcast production to freelance reporting and photographic contribution. 
She has worked with renowned organizations including Oceanographic Magazine, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. 
Raincoat Conservation, and Patagonia. 
Hello, Victoria. Thank you so much for being here today. 
Awesome. Thank you. 
It's a pleasure and an honor to be here. 
I'm super excited. 
Thank you. So you have a very interesting background with videography. 
Can you tell our audience a little bit about your background and how you ended up where you are today because you've worked with some pretty impressive names. 
Oh, thank you so much. 
Yeah, so I originally am from Ohio. 
I went to school at University of Cincinnati and I studied photojournalism and environmental science. 
And I would say that the photojournalism was something that I knew going going into school. 
That's what I was going to be doing. 
But the environmental part kind of came later. 
I've always been really, really passionate about outdoors and wildlife and environmentalism. 
And I would say in college, I just had a lot of really incredible opportunities that allowed me to kind of use that passion and take it into my career. 
So, you know, when we originally met, I worked at the Aquarium, which was the WAVE Foundation at the Newport Aquarium, 
which was a really cool, amazing opportunity for me to get experience in the conservation field for the first time professionally. 
Before that, I would say it was more just like a hobbyist. 
And so, yeah, after my internship at WAVE, I was able to get an internship with a place called the Whale museum which is here in washington state where i live now um in friday harbor and uh what i was doing for the whale whale museum was a program called sound watch um and it's a boater education program so what we would do is basically um educate boaters that whales were around and let them know the regulations and the laws um and we were also collecting like long um long -term data for NOAA on whale behavior and vessel disturbance. 
So that was a really incredible opportunity program. 
I helped make a mission statement video for them. 
And then when I wasn't on the water collecting data, I was also taking a lot of pictures of whales. 
So I had a really awesome, unique opportunity with that program. 
It was a really interesting summer though, because it was the first time in a really, 
really long time that the southern resident killer whales, which are unendangered subspecies of orca in the Salish Sea, 
it was one of the first summers where they weren't really returning to their normal summer grounds. 
Which is in San Juan Islands, Friday. 
Harbor. 
And so a lot of people in the community were really curious as to why that was happening. 
Obviously, they're a highly endangered population of killer whales, so there's already a lot of concern, 
but that just added a level of like, what's going on? 
So I remember being like a really alarming summer for everyone who was in that world. 
Then I came back to Ohio and, you know, finished my degree and I had a friend reach out and tell me, 
you know, oh, hey, you should check out this documentary that's getting made called Co -Extinction. 
And I was like oh that sounds like really cool right up my alley um so you know I checked out their website checked out their Instagram um their Kickstarter this is amazing I'm gonna reach out um so I sent the team I sent the team a message and I let them know you know my experience um both in journalism and then uh with the southern resident killer whales and it turns out the direct. 
One of the co -directors, Gloria Pencrozzi, actually was working for Streetwatch, which was the Canadian equivalent of Soundwatch in Canada the same summer as me. 
Wow. 
And she had a background in journalism, too. 
And we'd, like, met across the water but never, like, really got a chance to talk. 
So, yeah, we connected, like, right off the bat. 
And it was really incredible. 
And they were like, yeah, perfect timing with me graduating school. 
School and them starting filming so that was when I joined the team was at the very beginning of filming production and originally I was just going to be a production assistant so you know helping with cameras and organizing equipment and you know doing all that fun assistant kind of role which I was so stoked and so honored to be brought on to the team but while filming that role kind of evolved and I was able to help as a videographer and then when filming ended I was was able to help um and like post -production so I helped um as a producer as well which was really incredible opportunity um and then since co -extinction which has been such an incredible project not even since we're still working on co -extinction it's ever evergreen um I have been um helped helped with production on another documentary with co -extinction um you know done some writing um and then right now i'm working at a non -profit and doing multimedia content coordination for them so it's been really amazing and i feel so privileged to um be able to work on these projects and with such incredible people because these projects are they're really getting the word out there about the plight of the orca whale and the indigenous people and. 
And before we really dive into that, for our audience's sake, can you explain the difference between like just regular video and maybe conservation videography? 
Yeah, that is a really good point. 
I think especially when like with the Southern Residents, obviously they're a very endangered population. 
And so with all wildlife, you have to take into consideration how you impact them and. 
And specifically the Southern Residents, I think, taught me this lesson very early on in my career. 
But yeah, the Southern Residents specifically are really sensitive to vessel disturbances because they are so vocal. 
So they communicate a lot with pod members and that is for like hunting, 
socialization, a lot of really critical behaviors. 
And the specific frequency of boats can really disturb the orcas. 
Us um so all of our footage from the film was actually donated from um like science organizations or other um photographers and videographers that had permits which are really really hard and they should be obtained um but we also did some land -based whale watching and got um some clips of whales that way and for me personally um as a like photographer on my own too um i love doing doing land -based whale watching I think it's a really awesome opportunity because one it can be really hard to shoot on a boat and then two um you know it's less disruptive to the animals which I think is something really important to consider and it's also um yeah it feels almost a little bit more special because you have to be so patient when you're doing it so you're kind of like almost like they're coming to you and you're not coming to them kind of feeling even though that's you know debatable and i'm anamorphizing but so i mean with your your videos you're basically speaking for these animals and showing the world you know a problem because i had not heard of this problem until i saw the preview for co -extinction um and it's won several awards already i saw on online so congratulations there what was the inspiration to begin this film yeah um so i would say i joined the the team as like production was already underway for about a year um but uh the film really really evolved and for me personally getting involved with the project you know i obviously had um my experience with the southern resident killer whales and i I was aware of the issues that were going on. 
Um, you know, from a technical like science perspective. 
Um, and of course, like I also knew about, um, like indigenous plates on the West coast and how environmental and social justices are often connected. 
Um, but working on co -extinction, I feel like I was really able to like be fully immersed in that world. 
And, you know, we worked with so many incredible indigenous leaders. 
And I think the film really evolved so much because of our work with them. 
And yeah, I'm so grateful to have had the experience and to work with such an incredible team. 
I just want to emphasize that I am just like a small part of a really, 
really incredible team. 
And yeah, I've learned so much from them. 
I've learned so much from the people that we've worked with. 
Yeah, I hope that answers the question. 
How long in total did it take to film? 
And was this during the pandemic at all? 
Because I know that would probably cause some problems. 
Yes. 
Great question. 
So it took, filming -wise, about five years on and off. 
So we had a very intense first shoot of filming that lasted about three months. 
Tons of interviews, also collecting B -roll as we went along as well. 
Um, but I would say as a lot of documentaries, you know, the storyline evolves. 
And so, um, that first initial filming, like there was so much more that we were like, 
oh, we want to capture this or we need to talk to this or we need to have this event happen or go here. 
Um, so yeah, that was, uh, uh, it was, yeah, about five years of like filming. 
Um, and then the impact work I would say on the film also is like, 
you know, for our team, especially just as important as the filming well not just but a super super important element of the production as well um so basically you know helping provide resources for folks to like show their support whether that's taking physical action um writing or calling or going to protests or you know organizing community screenings to help like spread awareness um so yeah it's like. 
Like the production itself was about five years, but you know, we've been working with film festivals and screenings since then too, 
which is still, yeah, a super, super important aspect of filmmaking. 
So when you're filming, cause I know for me, my biggest problem is storage and SD cards and I can never have enough of them. 
Is that when you're making such a big production like that and you've got, 
you know, countless hours of footage how do you guys store and organize it all yeah um so we it was also another element too because a lot of us worked in different parts like I'm the only American that worked on the project um and so we had everyone else was in Canada but we were spread out so that added like another really interesting element but yeah we had you know some really while while we were filming big. 
Hefty hard drives that we were traveling with. 
And yeah, once we finished that, we had even bigger hard drives that we were editing with. 
But yeah, it's a lot of footage, especially when you're shooting. 
Like personally, I'd never shot with such like high quality footage. 
So it was really interesting to see like the methods behind it. 
But basically like to break it down, every shoot we would have like separate cameras and then like who was was working the camera and then the location and the date would be like the name of the file um and then we would organize it all into like separate folders for that day by person and by camera and then organize it by like a day location and then yeah different shoots had their own like categories as well so it was a lot and I learned a lot um Nicholas Castell uh was um the person who who really like took on a lot of that organizing and. 
Um, our other director element, uh, Jean. 
So, um, yeah, I learned a lot from them as well. 
Kudos to them. 
Cause that sounds like a lot of work organizing all those digital files. 
Yeah. Yeah. No. 
And also, sorry. 
I know you asked about. 
COVID. Um, I wanted to, I forgot while I was answering that question, 
um, while we were filming actually um there it's a major plot in the film I'll just say that um so well a major plot twist in the film COVID definitely um yeah it was a really interesting element especially for me as like an American like I couldn't obviously get over the border and work on stuff too um but yeah it was definitely like everyone else it really really changed the trajectory of of our film is the film ever going to be on um let's netflix or something like that i i tried a couple times going to the site and trying to because the the preview is so good i'm like i need to watch this movie right now and it's been a little bit of a challenge trying to to see it do you know any screenings or anything going on yeah thank you so much um i know i we want it out there for everyone to see um netflix would be awesome but um yeah right now like depending on where you are located like for example in canada um it's free to stream on cbc gem um so if you're ever in canada you can definitely watch it there um in the u .s right now um we do have like specific times when um on like tv for example with different broadcasters when it will be available um but another great way is also to organize a community screening so on our website um there's a link and you can reach out to our amazing um community screening lead uh claire and she will help organize a screening near you well okay so we have a loveland theater downtown and they're doing a film festival i wonder if i can get them to do it during the film festival or just in general for funsies because it's a really cute little area and that'd be a great place to do a screening yeah oh my gosh that would be awesome well yeah feel free to i'm happy to help I'm gonna make this happen that's gonna happen um when you guys were filming did you get any pushback from any of the communities like did people know why you were there and were you guys kind of widely received and welcomed or were people like what get away keep leave our business alone and you know on with production or anything like that not production like uh consumerism and stuff like that um yeah you know I would say I would say we weren't really like met by any like you know like pitchforks or anything um a lot of the folks that we worked with um were so incredible and welcoming and inviting and um wanting to you know help us um tell the story and yeah everyone everyone who worked with was really. 
Really kind. 
Um, it, you know, there obviously are like industries and people that probably aren't as happy about, 
um, some of the things that we've talked about and it can be, 
it's definitely obviously very political and, um, a lot of it can be very complicated. 
So, you know, like any documentary or film or anyone doing any kind of reporting you do get like you know your normal like Instagram comments or Facebook comments um but overall you know at uh community screens and that sort of thing we've been met with a lot of really amazing um support and feedback um and I would say that like it's just because our team did such a great job being thorough and doing a great job like researching and thinking about the storyline and thinking about the story impact as well when they were making the film um obviously it does talk about like hard issues and things that are you know um maybe seen as like controversial for some people but um i think we really did a great job about like backing up um what we were saying so for you what was the hardest thing physically to do you said you weren't filming on a boat so that kind of eliminates that but is it cold and rainy were you out early in the morning yeah so um we did film on a like a little bit on both so that was definitely challenging um you know limited space yeah physical challenges you know we just had a lot of equipment and we were moving a lot during filming it was really really amazing like especially coming from directly from Ohio moving out to the west coast um it was so incredible we. 
We got to go to so many different places throughout like Washington and British Columbia. 
And it was really an incredible way to like be like, wow, this is where I live now and traveling kind of all over. 
But it was a lot of travel. 
So just keeping up with like a travel schedule and keeping things organized and then, 
you know, packing everything up into our like little, our cars and heading on to the next destination or interview. 
It was really, really fun and really amazing. 
But yeah that would probably be like a physical challenge with the the moving and grooving do you have any like mental struggles like watching you know the the indigenous people and their struggle and also the animals I would imagine that would really start tugging at the heartstrings after a while yeah I mean uh gosh it is so um incredibly incredibly hard to learn more about those topics and especially like you know building relationships with people um then it becomes so much more personal too and it's obviously already something that's so emotional and upsetting and horrific um when we talk about like indigenous injustices um but yeah getting to know people personally getting to know their personal stories um it's so such um a privilege to be like welcomed into that circle but it's also yeah it's it's um it's really like heartbreaking to see um what you know the impacts of colonialism firsthand um and then also from like an um wildlife perspective um we were uh obviously working with a population that is you know really really close to what could be maybe extinction um which is also something that's really upsetting you know throughout filming there were in production there were whales that passed away and it sometimes would feel like it's like like. 
Oh, if we only could have done more, if we only could have done this, 
which obviously you can't like think that way. 
But yeah, it was really hard and really emotional to experience all of that. 
But like I said before, I have such, I've worked with, I'm working with such an amazing team and it was really, 
really great to be able to like have team members that you trust and that you can lean on. 
And, you know, sometimes there were days where one of us would, well, 
like I'll speak personally there were days where I was feeling so like you know sad and overwhelmed and I would communicate with that my that with my team um and you know they were there to support me when I needed it and you know we were very okay with crying too like you know letting it out emotional release and talking together and processing you know whatever we were going through that day which was really really helpful I think you know a big conversation about especially like environmental environmental and social justice. 
Um, and storytelling. 
Um, it's really important to talk about the mental health aspect because, you know, 
obviously, um, you're experiencing a lot and, and taking on a lot of really, 
really heavy things. 
So it's important to talk about it and have resources and have community that you can rely on. 
So I hope everyone has that obviously, no matter where they are or what they do, 
but it's a really important, I think, conversation to have in this field. 
That's beautiful that they, you know, you took a time out with a group and you guys were able to talk about that and have that outlet instead of like, 
no, we got to drive on and keep, keep working. 
Like it's so important. 
And I think there are some companies that can learn from that for sure. 
And there's gotta be some payoff and some signs of hope that you've seen since releasing the film can you tell us about that yeah um you know there are it is so rewarding to be able to bring the film to different audiences and you know see people's reactions and hear people say like wow I learned so much or I'm inspired to take action now um so yeah there have been such incredible updates since filming like for one example one thing we talk about a lot in the film are fish farms and um since filming uh the fish farms in the Haida nation um have been major legislation has been pushed um to remove those so because of the hard work of um people like Chief Ernest Alfred and his community as well as um a scientist named Alexandra Morton um those fish farms are on their way out so it's so incredible to see um yeah those those kind of movements happen. 
That's great. Now, even just from the trailer, I was so moved by the woman that said when their people were in charge of the land, 
not a single orca died. 
And I'm like, I already want to try and help. 
And there is a section on the website where people can take action. 
Can you explain some of the actions? 
Cause I'm, you know, I'm still in Ohio. 
I'm stuck here for a little while. 
What can I do from Ohio to help out? 
Yeah. So that was. 
Carrie Nightwalker, and she is an absolutely incredible force of nature, an incredible leader and matriarch from the Palouse tribe. 
So it was such a privilege to work with her. 
And yeah, she has so many moments in the film. 
That is one of many where you're just like, oh my gosh, incredible. 
So beautiful. She's so well -spoken and yeah, such an amazing and inspiring inspiring person um as far as taking action um there are um i would highly recommend going to our website for specific issues in the film um i would say first thing to start with though most importantly is to educate yourself so whether that is you know watching a documentary whether it's co -extinction or another documentary that focuses on um indigenous rights um or environmental mental injustices um yeah watching films reading books I have a whole bookshelf you can't see it um probably if you're listening to the podcast but behind me a whole bookshelf um that is full um of a lot of different books but a lot of um social justice books as well so I love reading personally for um like teaching myself more about subjects you know documentary filmmaking is great you know just making sure that your resources that you're using are reliable is important as well. 
But, um, yeah, I would say educate yourself and then from there, see what inspires you and take to take action. 
Um, on our website, uh, there are different resources because there are so many issues going on, 
um, behind the endangerment of the Southern resident killer whales. 
We've kind of broken it down into categories. 
Um, so whatever kind of sparks the most emotion for you and the things that you want to take the most action on, 
you can go to our website, look up the issue, and then from there find resources on different levels of action. 
So yeah, we've put a lot of thought into that and laying it out as a kind of broken down by category, 
like, you know, start here and then build your way up into like like bigger actions too, 
but all actions and any actions is great. 
And I think they should all start with being informed. 
So hopefully people are inspired after hearing this to maybe, yeah, check out a documentary you've been having on your list or read a book that's been on your. 
Goodreads for a long time. 
Yeah. Take a moment to educate yourself. 
Great advice. And as far as the the word co -extinction for the title of the film that kind of indicates to me because and it's a great title because we all need each other in the different species and without one species it greatly affects the other it almost feels like this leads itself to a whole series of films focusing on different animals and you said earlier you guys are working together is. 
Is there anything you can tell us? 
Yeah, so actually, Coexistence Films, which is our production company, has actually recently released another film called Warrior Spirit, 
which focuses on the story of Will George, who is an Indigenous land protector from the Tsleil -Waututh Nation. 
Um and he was originally we met him originally in co -extinction uh or while filming co -extinction he um was working with um the protest of the trans mountain pipeline and stopping the um the building of the trans mountain pipeline through um the unceded sawtooth nation lands lands. 
Um, so this film focuses on his story and his life and, um, 
how, um, yeah, being in an indigenous land protector, um, what his journey has been like. 
So I do have to ask, what is your favorite animal to film? 
Um, my favorite animal, it's orcas. 
I love orcas. 
Um, I think they're. 
They're not the easiest to film because obviously there are, you know, they live below the surface. 
So you have to be really fast and really lucky sometimes, especially when you're filming, 
because like, you know, they're like, just jump out of the water for a second. 
And it's like, can you pan your camera fast enough? 
But luckily they are in family groups. 
So usually when like one surfaces, like there'll be a couple after, but it's a fun, 
it's a fun challenge. 
I think they're, when you do get to take their picture, when you do get the right moment. 
They're such beautiful animals. 
And, uh, yeah, so I have to say work, I think. 
Do you have any favorite tips for people that want to get into filming or photography, 
especially for wildlife? 
Yeah. Um, I would say just get started. 
Um, like everyone has, I'm not everyone we you know phones are such great tools um and nowadays shoot incredible video and photo so I think it's a great place to start and then once you start creating then take that as an opportunity to like invest in um equipment um but yeah I would say writing is also a really great source too I think there's so many different forms of storytelling as well um that are all so important and so powerful um so yeah get started in what feels like right for you and I would say yeah don't be afraid to make mistakes and don't be afraid to be like is this really a story like I don't think so I remember when I was in school I was really inspired by someone who was like my age and we're working for National Geographic and I reached out and I was was like oh my gosh like how did you do it and like they told me they were like yeah I started taking pictures of like birds of prey in my neighborhood in like um you know suburbia basically and so I was like wow that is so cool like you know we there's wildlife all around us too so if wildlife is the thing that you want to be telling stories about um yeah it's about like doing the research finding out like oh actually there is like a really cool endangered bird bird species that passes by my house this time of year or something. 
And you can use the opportunity to kind of, yeah, dive in and tell your own story about it. 
I'm glad you said that I took a conservation storytelling class and it's kind of overwhelming because there's so many ideas out there in the world. 
And it's like, what do I want to focus on? 
And I think it's one of those things where eventually the story will kind of, 
as you're taking the pictures, it'll kind of start to develop on its own. 
Like you said, with the bird of prey going by the house. 
So. 
So I'm going to have to keep trying. 
Eventually, someday I will end up in National Geographic. 
Yes. 
Oh, my gosh. 
You absolutely will. 
Yeah, I think it's, yeah, it is so cool. 
I've been thinking a lot about, like, personal things that I kind of, 
like, am interested in working on or exploring. 
And one thing recently that I was like, oh, this could be a cool story was just, 
like, urban wildlife. 
I think it's really interesting, like, seeing what species thrive and what species don't. 
Like, you know, white tail deer or squirrels, like, you know, that, that sounds like still. 
Oh yeah, for sure. 
That'd be interesting. 
Um, I do want to know later on how people can follow you and find you and see all the things that you do. 
Um, but before that, what is your favorite piece of equipment for photography or just being out in the, 
the field in general? 
Like, do you have a favorite bag or hiking shoes or anything like that? 
So I just actually um invested in a new camera that I'm really excited about um and this is more technical but it's the uh Canon R6 Mark II and it does a lot of like video and photo which is um yeah what I really like I'm super super passionate about being able to kind of do both so she has like a background in journalism um and specifically photojournalism so I do really love of like taking beautiful pictures and then writing stories about them as well as like obviously filmmaking um so super excited about that but also um I also have a background in like um doing a lot of backpacking and working in um the outdoor field as well so I'm also really passionate about technical gear um I think um as far as like backpacks I like to wear like backpacks that that are more like physically comfortable. 
Um, and less maybe like specifically designed for photo gear. 
So I like use my backpacking bag and then like, we'll get like cubes and cushions for my camera. 
That's kind of how I like to organize it. 
Um, but I think, you know, you're on your feet a lot. 
So it's also important to think about your footwear when you're like hiking or backpacking in the back country. 
I really like wearing the lone peak ultras. 
Um, they're a trail runner. 
Um, but I take them backpacking. 
I take them like filming, um, as well. 
So those are nice shoes. 
So my husband asked me an interesting question the other day, because I know video form is very popular on social media. 
And he's like, how do you know when to take a picture versus doing a video, 
especially if it's, I don't know, an animal, like a bird or a whale, 
where it's gonna you know fly away or swim away really fast and he's like do you ever just do the video and then do a screenshot and I'm like well it's not really the best quality if you do it that way have you ever done anything like that definitely like been like and it depends on like what uh capabilities your like filming camera has um because sometimes you can get depending on like your frame rate a really nice shot from a screenshot but then yeah you have to be shooting at a really high frame rate. 
And that takes up a lot of memory and like, depending on your equipment can also kind of kill your battery and your card or whatever pretty quickly. 
But I would say, I think it depends on like what your goal is. 
Like when I start filming or when I start taking pictures, I'm like thinking about like, 
okay, what am I going to use this for? 
What do I want to use this for? 
A lot of times I feel like I'm, I do a lot of like photography on my own um but I actually just was looking into buying a new accessory for my camera that is um you can like mount your phone on top of your camera and then like be filming on your phone and then capturing photo with the wildlife obviously that's a little bit more challenging but for like you know event photography or um you know maybe depending on what you're doing like interview interview style uh sort of stuff it could be like a fun a fun little tool or obviously um like an a cam and a b cam like setting up your camera for filming and having that like rolling and then while that's filming you're taking pictures it's another great ideas i like that uh the thing that mounts to the camera it's like having an extra set of hands to help you yeah i literally i just saw it the other day and I was like oh mind -blowing we are almost out of time and I gotta um go back in time to Newport Aquarium what was your favorite penguin in the penguin house oh my gosh is it possible to choose um I think my favorite was blueberry okay good as long as you didn't say speckles i just oh my i talk about them all i think about them and talk about them all the time they were just such incredible little beings and it was just such an honor to like yeah work with them yeah it was so much fun those was good times back in the day i know i know it really was i miss it a lot i am so happy i got to reconnect with you today. 
And if people want to check out what you're doing and say up to date, 
where can they find you? 
Yeah. 
So, um, please follow coexistence films. 
Um, that is our Instagram, our website, Facebook. 
Um, and then for me personally, you can find me on Instagram, um, 
at Tori Obermeyer. 
Um, so if you want to follow me there, that would be awesome. 
Awesome. 
Thank you so much. 
Yeah. 
Thank you. 
It's such a pleasure to be here. 
I'm really honored. 
And what is one tip you have for someone that would like to connect with nature oh man um just remembering no matter where you are nature is always around um it doesn't have to be like going deep miles into a forest to connect with nature it can just be like you know sitting on your lawn and taking a second to like check out the grass and see all the amazing wildlife or look up into the sky and see the beautiful birds like it's it's always all around awesome thank you so much and until next time get outside and see what develops thanks for joining wild development studio we hope this exploration into the world of wildlife arts and adventure has sparked a desire to get outside and connect with something wild if you have an adventure that's awe -inspiring don't hesitate to share click the link in the description to submit your story to have it featured on our show or be a guest until next time keep connecting to the wild and see what develops the views opinions and statements expressed by individuals during wild development studio productions do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of wild development studio or its affiliates participation in any activities expeditions or adventures discussed or promoted during our content may involve inherent risks. 
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