iPhones Banned in the Workplace, TikTok vs Google, Loneliness Epidemic, and Metaverse Updates

How would you feel if iPhones were banned at your workplace? Could TikTok really replace Google? Join us as we explore a fascinating study by Adobe that reveals surprising shifts in consumer behavior. Our discussion doesn't stop there! We'll confront the epidemic of loneliness in America. Is technology bringing us together or driving us apart?

Can today's youth recognize genuine human interactions through digital noise? The urgent need to address the severe health consequences of loneliness, such as cardiovascular issues and rising suicide rates, is underscored. But there's hope. The older generations can play a crucial role in guiding the young toward valuing face-to-face connections while building meaningful relationships.

From the latest advancements in VR and augmented reality to privacy concerns surrounding the new iPhone features, we've got you covered. Ashton shares his excitement about the Z Flip 5, and we even ponder the implications of an iPhone ban in workplaces. Don't miss our thought-provoking debate on technology's double-edged sword and the tantalizing possibilities of the metaverse. Remember to send in your thoughts and questions for a chance to be featured in our upcoming live metaverse episode!

Links Mentioned During Episode:

• 5 Tips for Managing Your Business Social Media Accounts 
• TikTok Rise & Discovery
• Epidemic of Loneliness & Isolation Article
• Metaverse Release Notes
• Windows Wifi Vulnerability
• iPhones Update & Ban Threat
• New Horizons Podcast

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

So today I'm going to be talking about whether TikTok is the new Google.

Speaker 2: 0:07

I want to talk about the epidemic of loneliness in America.

Speaker 3: 0:10

I'm going to be talking about is the news that's happening in VR and augmented reality.

Speaker 4: 0:15

I'm going to be covering major Windows Wi-Fi vulnerabilities. And how would you feel if your workplace banned iPhones? And how would you feel if your workplace banned iPhones.

Speaker 3: 0:27

All right, everybody. Well, welcome to the Mindful Bytes podcast. I am Brian, your Gen X business leader.

Speaker 1: 0:33

I am Olivia, your social media savvy and sassy millennial.

Speaker 3: 0:39

Olivia's got the longest title ever on here. Yeah, really On this podcast. So we'll have to wrap it up After this. We'll go ahead and wrap it up. Yeah, really, on this podcast, so we'll have to wrap it up After this we'll go ahead and wrap it up.

Speaker 1: 0:47

Yeah, it's over.

Speaker 2: 0:48

It's over. Hey, I'm Shauna and I am your Xenial Digital Dinosaur.

Speaker 4: 0:53

I always forget about the dinosaur part. I'm Ashton, I'm the Gen.

Speaker 3: 1:00

Z that's interested in the technicals and the gimmicks of today's tech. Hey, so I want to encourage everybody that's listening to text us your thoughts or questions throughout the episode. Just look at the show notes. You're going to see a link there that says text us. So that's called our fan mail and what we're going to do is every month we're going to host a live episode from the metaverse and we're going to read through that fan mail. So make sure you send us your thoughts and questions using that text link. All right, so let's go ahead and dive in. Okay, you said don't say dive in.

Speaker 4: 1:29

No dive in. Dive in is my normal thing. I know you use it too much. You got to switch it up. I use it all the time.

Speaker 2: 1:35

Why don't you say something like let's go ahead and expand on those topics, Olivia, go ahead and get us started?

Speaker 4: 1:39

Something like that Okay, I yeah, okay, I'm just, I'm just thinking it's always funny when you're sitting there and you're trying to generate that sentence in your head and you're just kind of sitting there looking at the camera and you're like, oh, I don't want to be right here, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:00

All of you should not look at me at any point during this interview because I'm so on the verge of cracking up that I'm like trying to look down and not smile. And then I look at Ashton. He's smiling. I know he's looking at me.

Speaker 3: 2:11

All right. So I think I'm good now. All right, so, as a Gen X, I want to kind of paint a picture here as we dive in now, not dive in, oh, stop saying the word dive in.

Speaker 4: 2:20

I'd love to be a swimmer. I heard it, I heard it coming. I heard it coming.

Speaker 3: 2:24

All right. So as a Gen X, I guess I'm going to go ahead and transition this into what we call the topic spotlight. So imagine yourself, if you have a good imagination, you're moving that light. It's probably a squeaky old light, Probably on you millennials.

Speaker 2: 2:41

you probably just turn on your flashlight on your phone.

Speaker 3: 2:42

But we're going to go ahead, gonna just shine some light onto the topics that we're gonna be talking about. What's the one thing you want to talk about? What the heck?

Speaker 2: 2:48

I don't think we should be talking about generations in every single sentence you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3: 2:53

that was it's too much. People are gonna get annoyed about it. Okay, all right, all right you dove overboard you told me everything I can't say now, so this is is making it really tough. All right, sorry about that. All right, so let's go ahead. And just how am I going to say this?

Speaker 2: 3:13

He was so close to saying it again. Let me give it a try.

Speaker 4: 3:14

Brian, you can say so many different things.

Speaker 2: 3:21

Let mom try. Go ahead, okay. So why don't we go ahead and expand on those topics?

Speaker 1: 3:25

Olivia, you want to get us started? Not really, but I will.

Speaker 3: 3:28

No, I need to do it. I think I need to do it Let me try it again, because you're our host.

Speaker 2: 3:33

I know yeah.

Speaker 3: 3:35

All right, so let's go ahead and switch on over to the spotlights of these topics. Olivia, you want to get us started?

Speaker 4: 3:43

Yes, absolutely You're all good, you're all good.

Speaker 1: 3:50

Okay. So I'm really excited to talk about this because, just letting you all know, tiktok is my number one social media platform. It has my heart, um, and so when I read this article that um, adobe did hold on, I'm getting too wordy. How in depth of things do you?

Speaker 3: 4:14

want. No, this is the now, this is the podcast. So feel free to go in depth as you want and then just turn it over to us. Uh, because I already have some thoughts on it, but go ahead and turn it over to us when you're ready.

Speaker 2: 4:25

I already have thoughts on it. Yeah, I'm going pretty in-depth into part of mine. Same here.

Speaker 3: 4:30

So I mean this podcast episode can be 45 minutes an hour long, I don't care, as long as we want to make sure it's valuable to those that are listening.

Speaker 1: 4:38

Okay, cool. So TikTok has my heart. So when I came across this article from social media today, it caught my attention instantly, and it is talking about how more and more people are turning to TikTok to learn about new products, trends and things like that, trends and things like that. So Adobe, of all places, did a huge survey. They surveyed 808 consumers and 251 business owners about how they're using the platform and this fits along well. I am bringing up the breakdown of generations again, because they did yeah, that makes sense, that's good.

Speaker 1: 5:29

So they broke it down by generations and how they're currently using TikTok. Know gen z, which would be ashton um 64 of them trust tiktok over google to discover new things.

Speaker 1: 5:53

So that's one in ten gen zers so that's a pretty high number, um, and I was actually surprised by this just overall. But 49% of millennials are also using TikTok as more of a search engine than Google, and then the numbers go down from there. So 29% of Gen X and then you have 14% boomers Wow. So, yeah, I mean. What do you all think? And then you have 14% boomers Wow. So yeah, I mean. What do you all think? People are going onto TikTok to discover new things Basically your day-to-day. What do you think? The number one thing that it said people search for on TikTok. I was a little surprised by this.

Speaker 2: 6:47

Is it cleaning tips?

Speaker 1: 6:50

No, but that's how I started into TikTok.

Speaker 3: 6:55

Dance moves.

Speaker 1: 6:57

No, but that's what really helped to get it popular in 2020.

Speaker 2: 7:03

Do you have any ideas, Ashton?

Speaker 4: 7:04

Well, it's recipes's recipes recipes yeah, that's a good point. I've used it for that so yeah.

Speaker 1: 7:14

so what are, what are your all thoughts? Do you think that tiktok could ever actually take over google as the most kind of used search engine?

Speaker 2: 7:26

Hmm, well, let me ask you a few questions before I answer. Um. Do you feel like there's a good, uh, kind of spread of knowledge, like, do you see TikToks about? Um, all sorts of different things like about, um, I don't know, for instance like remedies for sickness, or yeah or like yeah, because that's what.

Speaker 2: 7:50

I'm thinking is like if it's not just trendy things, I could see it happening. I mean, you know platforms are consistently going to take over each other, you know, in the future. So I mean, google might not always be where people go to search things. So I could see it happening.

Speaker 1: 8:07

Yeah, that's a really, really good thought and the thing about it is, when I was looking, they had a pie, a pie chart in the article on different things that people were searching for, and most of them are, you know, people looking for things to make their lives better, like trying to find things that improve their lives and things like that. So a lot of businesses. Are we talking specifically about Christian radio or no?

Speaker 3: 8:40

No, we're not talking specifically Christian radio. This is for anybody, and I don't know if anybody else noticed, but Olivia froze up on me.

Speaker 4: 8:45

Yeah, we all noticed she frees up on you guys.

Speaker 3: 8:47

Yes, because I didn't hear anything what she said.

Speaker 2: 8:50

Well, so what I think happened though at least what it seemed like to me is that she came back in talking where she stopped, and then it speeded up because her lips weren't lined up with what she was saying.

Speaker 4: 9:02

I know what you mean. We didn't have that. I didn't see that. I know what you mean.

Speaker 3: 9:06

I didn't see that. So, olivia, if you can start your comment, whatever your response was, then start it again, because I don't know how to respond if we can't hear what she's saying.

Speaker 2: 9:15

I see that Sure go ahead.

Speaker 3: 9:17

But yeah, this is not for Christian broadcasters, for anybody that's dealing with digital stuff, so there is no audience specific like that.

Speaker 1: 9:27

Okay, yeah, shauna, that is a great question. In the article that I was looking at, they had a pie chart of the different things that people are searching for on TikTok and I noticed the trend on there was that people are really looking for things to make their lives better, easier or just different things like that. So I think that, as a business or a marketer, it doesn't matter what type of company or product you have. There really is a lot of opportunity there. That's cool.

Speaker 3: 10:05

So my thought would be this I see what Adobe like their research and stuff, what they came up. Those numbers are very interesting to hear that, the 64, 47% and all that. I'm sorry you Xenials didn't even make the list, but I'm sure you fall under somewhere.

Speaker 2: 10:23

They probably were a micro generation A micro generation yeah.

Speaker 3: 10:26

So, that means you don't count? No, I'm sure you fall in there somewhere. They probably want a micro generation. A micro generation, yeah. So that means you don't count? No, I'm just joking. Make sure you edit that out or everybody will hate me on this podcast. Cancel it.

Speaker 4: 10:33

Someone's got to be the main one. Cancel it, cancel it.

Speaker 3: 10:37

I would you know, when I think about what's replacing Google, I'm really leaning more towards AI. What's replacing Google? I'm really leaning more towards AI, like I I'm curious, like, compared to tick talk versus AI like chat, gpt and stuff, are people more using those type of services over Google than tick tock, like? I think that I could see that too, but I could see the point with TikTok too. So I think it's maybe we're having brand new versions of search engines. I guess not brand new versions, but how about? I guess we're kind of are we transitioning into an era where we have different types of searches that are being done, like some of the video searches, like they want to see it, but if they're just looking for that knowledge, the AI like chat, gpt is a great source to find stuff so quickly and get answers. What's your thoughts on that, olivia?

Speaker 1: 11:28

So the article also had a chart of different search engines, and chat GPT was actually higher than Yahoo, which I don't know like starting out on the internet, I was always like a Yahoo search engine person, but now that's not even something that most people would use as their search engine. But the in regards to the funny thing about it is um yeah, they're using it to learn how to use chat GPT. So when more people learn it, maybe it will really skew the numbers.

Speaker 3: 12:17

So so maybe TikTok should ban any how to videos on chat GPT, cause they could be feeding their competitor.

Speaker 1: 12:24

They're not. They're not Mark Zuckerberg, they're not scared.

Speaker 3: 12:29

Oh, that's good. That's good. All right, Olivia, so let's go ahead and transition. What is the next topic that you want to spotlight?

Speaker 1: 12:36

So this is coming from like there isn't any like oh, breaking news, but this is something that I've experienced. Really a significant amount with the clients that we work with is people having to either shut down accounts and start from scratch or not getting access to their accounts because they signed up with a email address that they no longer have access to. So I wanted to bring this up because there has been a significant amount of time wasted in figuring out these problems and you know we're all busy. So I just wanted to kind of bring up the fact that you should always have a designated email address for your social accounts. Have it be like social at.

Speaker 1: 13:42

You know, whatever your business is that multiple people have access to when you're setting up your accounts, do not have them connected to say, just your social media person that you hired or something like that. And also be very, very mindful of who you're giving admin access to, because you know I've also seen where someone was an admin and they got a spam like notification. They freaked out, they clicked on it and then they ruined I mean they the page got messed up because of clicking on this link. So I just wanted to remind everybody to be, like, mindful of how you set up your accounts, who is getting access to them. And the cool thing is there's actually going to be a blog on killer B marketing's website with more in depth details on how you can do this.

Speaker 3: 14:46

Go check out our blogs. That's great. Do it. Do it Right now. No, finish listening to the episode first.

Speaker 1: 14:53

No, it was. That's why I picked this topic, because it's going to be my blog for June Awesome so I wanted them to go. Yeah, no, I love that.

Speaker 3: 15:01

I love it. Well, and I know, olivia, that you've worked with some people already Some people I think we've worked with that took almost six months to get back control of their Facebook pages, because of this.

Speaker 1: 15:13

Yeah, we know how. Meta's customer service is Non-existent.

Speaker 3: 15:19

Top notch, yeah, oh yeah, on opposite day.

Speaker 1: 15:24

Yes, on opposite day yes.

Speaker 3: 15:26

On opposite day. That's good, yeah, that's good. So, yeah, keep an eye out for that blog. And if you're listening to this and you're like, yeah, we're dealing with the same thing right now, we need help. You can also just click the links in the show notes and schedule a consulting session with Olivia as well, so we're here to help you guys in those jams. I mean, she loves doing that, don't you love you? Just love that.

Speaker 1: 15:54

Well, I've learned a lot, so it's very like nice to be able to say like when people are freaking out, it's like don't worry, you're not the only one, we've helped others do that as well. Yeah.

Speaker 3: 16:01

And I would love to encourage anybody if you guys have dealt with any of these struggles or you have thoughts about the TikTok buzz that Olivia was sharing with us, please make sure you send us a text. We want to hear your thoughts and hear your questions as well, so we can talk about it later in our fan mail. So let's go ahead and transition over to. Let's go ahead and transition to the dinosaur here. Let's go ahead and transition to Shauna Sha, to the to the dinosaur here.

Speaker 2: 16:28

Let's go ahead and transition to Shauna. Shauna, what's your? Let's go ahead and dive into your topic spotlights that you brought to the class. Okay, so, like I said, I'm digging into this 2023 Surgeon General Report. That's about the epidemic of loneliness in America and actually I had heard you know kind of word about it floating around, but I came across this article that really caught my attention and it was called something along the lines of the epidemic of loneliness and the surprising antidote. So that's what I'm going to talk about on our next podcast, but first I want to dive in to what even this report is saying and kind of get to the bottom of the causes and things like that.

Speaker 2: 17:07

So this is what was fascinating to me. So it's actually called the epidemic of loneliness and isolation. And, um, basically what happened was the surgeon general did a tour around the country talking to people about what they were dealing with, what their problems were in their life, things like that, and he found that people were talking about the same things over and over, and what it came down to essentially, is that people feel isolated, they feel invisible and they feel insignificant. And so he said even if someone couldn't put their finger on the word lonely, like they're feeling lonely. It all came down to that, all of the different things that people were feeling concerning feeling insignificant, invisible. It all came down to a lack of social connection. And so, you know, a line really stuck out to me in this report and it said you can be lonely even with a lot of people around you, because loneliness is about the quality of your connection. So the report is very in-depth about how things have changed in our country that are contributing to this epidemic of loneliness. There's a lot of things contributing and a lot of this research was done before COVID. So, although COVID has definitely made things worse. It was a problem before that. So I wanted to put that out there right away so that people don't think, oh yeah, well, that's all COVID's fault, it's not. This has been going on for a lot longer than that.

Speaker 2: 18:34

Um, but the thing I wanted to kind of focus in on today, since this is kind of what we're talking about and what the podcast is about, is the ways that technology are contributing, contributing to this epidemic. So there are pros and cons, of course, to using technology. We all know that and I don't want to diminish the pros and to, um, you know, take away from the fact that you can use technology in such a healthy way and you can use it to stay connected with your family and your friends and learn things, and so, even though I am a digital dinosaur, I don't want you to think I'm saying that we should not use technology. My whole point, and even being in this podcast, is just to encourage us to use it in a healthy way, and so some of the harms that they're finding and I'm sure you've heard about some of these, but it's kind of hard to like apply these to your own life, I think, because you know if you just think about it in passing. You might think like, oh, this isn't hurting me, I'm using this right, I'm using it in a great way, it's not going to take away from my life in any way. But listen to what some of the harms that they have listed Um, technology that displaces in-person engagement has anyone done that before?

Speaker 2: 19:51

Like, cancel an outing with your friends and just stay at home on your Facebook or whatever. Um, uh, technology that monopolizes your attention we all know that that's kind of what it's designed for a lot of these social platforms. They want to keep you there. Or a technology that reduces the quality of your interaction or diminishes your self-esteem. So right away you can recognize how all of those can happen in your life, and especially if we think about the younger generations. No-transcript, like 70 years ago. That's a shocking stat. And another one is that 33% of adults 18 and over describe their own online activity as being online almost constantly. They didn't have a number that I came across for the younger generations in that, but I would imagine it would have to be even higher. So I bring all that up to say what do you guys think about this idea that a platform, or really all sorts of platforms that really, I think in the beginning were meant to help us connect better could actually be contributing to us being more lonely. What are your thoughts about that?

Speaker 1: 21:30

I think, with just what you're saying and that quote, which was really good. I have recently spent two weeks with my 13, well, 14-year niece and 15 year old nephew and I'm wondering if that generation even really knows what true connection is anymore. Like you know, because if you're talking about having quality time to have a true connection, do they even know what that really is? Because they're chasing likes and things like that. So that's what I was thinking of of like has the definition of connection changed and they're going to be searching for something that they're never going to achieve.

Speaker 4: 22:22

I think what's probably even more dangerous building off of that is platforms that are built specifically to basically be the middleman when you interact. We saw the explosion of that over COVID of Discord getting I think it was 27% if I'm remembering correctly. Was uh 27 if I'm remembering correctly. Uh, of a user base increase, it was quite a big percentage. Um, so discord was a big place for gamers. Um, we had zoom for all the schools and stuff. Uh, we had all these things that was simulating that interaction, but it's still not quality time. It's not you sitting next to the person doing anything, it's you're still through technology. I think that's probably one of the most dangerous things out of that, because it's still simulating that behavior I think this is a great thing to talk about, too.

Speaker 3: 23:19

Is us from older generations like I love that you point that out, olivia there's a generation that really has, might not even know what quality connection looks like. What does that even look like? What does it even mean? What does connection even mean? As generations that do that we've been there before and after this transition of digital we're becoming more aware and more mindful of how these technologies have played a role and how it has impacted lives. I love that you brought this up, shauna, because all these things were created with good intentions in mind, I believe. I mean, obviously, there's some that's created just to make money, but we know today these, even depending on how they started, the focus has turned to being more about getting our attention and holding keeping that attention all the time. So, as older generations that can separate and define quality of connection differently because we've experienced it, I feel like it's a responsibility for us to help them see that. Responsibility for us to help them see that.

Speaker 3: 24:26

Even for myself, I know, shauna we've talked about it before that there was times when I had to learn that, when Ashton was talking to me, to put things down and actually look at him in the eyes. When you start looking at someone in the eyes, as they're connecting in real life, there's a different connection than if you're on your phone and somebody's talking. I don't know. You guys, let us know, you know, send us a text, let us know. Have you ever experienced where you're talking to somebody and they pick up their phone and start swiping? I mean, if I was on here having this podcast with you guys and I was doing this the whole time, it would feel disconnected, right, I mean, it would be disconnecting. So, uh, I think that, yeah, this is something that I think we need to be aware of, and I'm really interested to hear about the antidotes to the antidote. The unexpected antidote is what you call it, right?

Speaker 2: 25:11

Surprising antidote, but I did want to mention real quick too, because it's kind of important. Why it's such a big deal is because, as a result of this loneliness, there are emerging trends of incredibly serious health problems. You have a much higher chance of having cardiovascular issues, dementia, anxiety. We all know that depression and suicide rates are skyrocketing. It all ties together, so that's why it's so important to talk about it and yes, I can't wait to talk about the antidotes as well.

Speaker 3: 25:51

But well, and I love that you pointed out too about how, like you know everybody, this loneliness it's not just the word loneliness. People might not recognize them as feeling lonely because of that word, but it's from some of the things that they feel invisible and even though you know, you can look at it and say there's people that feel more invisible today even though they have hundreds or thousands of followers on social media. So it's a real eye opener here, where I know, Olivia, we've talked about in the marketing side, working with people that, hey, the future of digital and connection comes down to smaller groups, not larger groups. You get lost in the crowd. You build community in a tribe. So, yeah, I'm excited to dive into this more in our next episode. So you guys, let us know, Send us a text, Let us know your thoughts. We'd love to hear how this Do you ever feel lonely? Do you have you recognized this as well? Or maybe even what? Do you recall a time where connection was different than what it is today? Uh, we'd love to hear that. All right, so you know, Shauna, with you sharing that as well.

Speaker 3: 26:56

It kind of made me think about what I was going to talk about a little bit the metaverse. You know we've we've met so many people in the metaverse. We've been there for two years now, over two years running the studios in there with live shows, and we've met a lot of people that feel invisible. Actually, we just did a podcast episode on that, on the New Horizons podcast, so you guys can go check it out if you want. Look up New Horizons or Killer Bee Studios and you'll find it. But we've learned how the metaverse is a platform that's being used that creates a different type of connection than we've ever experienced, Different than Zoom, anything like that. So I can't really explain it. You have to go try it out and see it for yourself. But what my topic that I wanted to shine some light on today is I know this podcast was planned to be hosted in the metaverse every episode. That changed. We're not doing every episode in there, and the reason why is because, as digital marketers and we consult and help businesses, I always look at like we don't want to put all our eggs in something that we don't have control over. This is a leased property, just like social media, and there is some problems that surfaced with some of our headsets and we had to make the call and say, hey, wait a minute, we're having problems with the headsets, it's not getting fixed. I think it was like a month and a half before it got fixed and we made the call and decided, hey, you know what we're going to do this podcast right here on just an audio podcast and create some videos of it and we'll do an episode once a month in there, because we can't rely on somebody else's software to do like.

Speaker 3: 28:24

This is an important message, important things that we want to talk about. But there's a lot of changes that's coming with the metaverse. They're getting ready to go mobile. They're going mobile. Actually, today. This is the date they're going mobile. So the recording date on this is june 26 of 2024 and they're launching mobile for everybody. So you don't have to have a headset. You don to have a headset to come experience it, see what's going on. Plus, it's being released Now it's going to be in a total of 23 countries. You're going to be able to come in to the metaverse on Meta's platform, which is Horizon World. So excited about that to see where this is going.

Speaker 3: 28:57

But still, even with that, it's kind of having a like remembering that we don't own these properties. We have to. We have to abide by their rules. They get to make the decisions. Their goals are different than our goals. If you're a business leader, every platform that you're using that is not your own. They have their own goals and it's leased. So it's something we need to be definitely pay attention to.

Speaker 3: 29:18

And if you're wanting to learn more about that, I'll put a link in the show notes about. I think we have an article about different types of digital properties to be aware of, so I'll throw a link in there for that and I would love, like everybody that's got you know everybody on here, all your guys' resources. We'll put those links in the show notes as well, so you guys can dive deeper into those things as well. And I know that, Ashton, we're getting ready to hand it over to you, because I would love to hear what you have to say about your buzz, your topics that you're going to be shining some light on. I'm excited to hear about this, but I also heard that you have a new gadget coming in. You used to have that. What's the new gadget? Because I know before you introduced your LG Wing, which we know that Shana pointed out hey, that's not so new, but it was one of your favorite gadgets.

Speaker 3: 30:01

But hey, that's not so new, but it was one of your favorite gadgets but you're kind of ditching that thing.

Speaker 4: 30:04

It's been one of my favorite phones but there was a really good deal to trade in my old iPhone for a Z Flip 5. So I'm switching to Z Flip 5. For a while I'll still be using the LG Wing because it has a far superior camera, so it's going to be a lot better for that. But as far as a daily use though the Z.

Speaker 3: 30:27

Flip. We'll be excited to hear more about the Z Flip. Once you get it, you're going to have to let us know. So you're sticking with Android. I'm not going to go there, but we'll just keep that for another show. But let us know with text Are you guys Android or iPhone? What is your preference? But let's go ahead and transition. Ashton, go ahead, shine some light on your uh.

Speaker 2: 30:49

Actually, let's not say shine some light can I ask ashton a question first, before we flip to the new subject? Yeah ash, can we all take bets about when you'll have to replace the screen?

Speaker 4: 30:58

oh, gosh, yeah, yeah, we can do that, we can do that, we can do that whoever wins, you have to pay, like a coffee or, you know, five dollar gift certificate or something we'll do that all right, okay, so on the next podcast, you can tell us.

Speaker 2: 31:13

You know it should be in by then.

Speaker 4: 31:14

Right, yes, and we'll, we'll set it up to be in within the next, from today to the next two days. Uh, so it should be in within the next three days.

Speaker 3: 31:27

Okay, cool, awesome, all right. Well, okay, ashton, let's go ahead and transition over to your topic spotlights. Uh, let's go ahead and transition. Actually, I don't need to say, I just said that. All right, ashton no-transcript. Well, we're going to do bets. I know I said we would do that. Oh, I understand.

Speaker 4: 31:58

I also have to actually add a revision that I'll chop up and move to Olivia's part, but upon further review. According to worldmetricsorg, Discord reported a 50% growth rate in its daily active users in 2020.

Speaker 1: 32:19

Wow yeah, oh, wow, wow 2020.

Speaker 3: 32:21

Wow yeah oh wow, wow, wow.

Speaker 2: 32:22

Okay, so you still want me to ask the question again? No, it's fine.

Speaker 4: 32:24

Don't worry about it, I just need to add that revision so I can chop that back in later, but okay. Subject number one a major.

Speaker 3: 32:37

Windows Wi-Fi vulnerability. Windows are always left open, right? So windows are always left open to vulnerability, is that?

Speaker 4: 32:43

what you said. Yeah, that is what I said. That was the dad joke. I told you to say I can't say it because then it wouldn't work. The same Dad's got to say it I'll just say it, wait a minute.

Speaker 3: 32:57

So true, aren't?

Speaker 2: 32:59

windows left open are always a vulnerability not giving you the satisfaction that's a gen x joke uh don't put that on all the gen x people the windows wi-fi vulnerability.

Speaker 4: 33:19

It, as of june 14th, microsoft has acknowledged a new wi-fi driver vulnerability, which is their own produced driver. By the way, uh, cvss, which is the common vulnerability scoring system, rated this in eight out of 8.8 out of 10, which is a major, major issue. Uh, it's been assigned the memorable cve 2024 378, so in case you ever want to search that up, there's your number.

Speaker 3: 33:49

Uh, this is well give us the link to it so we can put that in the show notes. Yeah, I will, like I will. Is there a fix for it?

Speaker 4: 33:55

yes, they've already released a fix, but you have to go update it. As far as I know, it doesn't auto run the update, or at least it doesn't act like a special update this attack does.

Speaker 2: 34:09

You said, this is on laptops.

Speaker 4: 34:10

This is on Windows, so this is both Windows 10 and 11. So that is, desktops, laptops, all kinds of things that use Windows.

Speaker 2: 34:21

Do people put Windows on phones?

Speaker 3: 34:24

Technically they put Windows on houses.

Speaker 4: 34:27

We're not going to talk about the Windows phone, Okay okay.

Speaker 3: 34:33

All right, so here's the thing. Ashton, I don't want to hang too much time on the Windows thing.

Speaker 4: 34:38

I've got to say a specific. I can't get it out. This attack does not require any login or physical access to the device other than access to Wi-Fi. So someone could go outside your house and connect to your Wi-Fi without passwords or anything and actually attack this device.

Speaker 2: 34:58

They could run any bit of code it gives you full access to a device, so it is a incredibly lethal attack. It's it'll destroy everything. I'm surprised they didn't rate that as like 11. You know that's like a 11 out of 10 on the what's a 10?

Speaker 3: 35:14

yeah, what's a 10 yeah, I would love it if she didn't have to use a password to connect to wi-Fi. Yeah, I would. Ashton, I'm going to add this so you can put this at the beginning so tell us what does this virus or this vulnerability look like, what does this mean? And then you can put that at the beginning. This is what it means, like what you just said. So just repeating what I just said. You don't have to repeat it, you just just edit it yeah, so just put that first, all right.

Speaker 3: 35:45

So okay, ashton, I want to get to the iphone thing, because I know that you've you've invested and you got this nice samsung coming in this android, but I want to hear about the iphone news. Like what's going on? Like what do you mean? Imagine a workplace saying you couldn't use iphones anymore? And just remind you, I'm the boss at Killer Bee, so don't worry, iphones can stay. We might get rid of the Androids.

Speaker 4: 36:07

Goodness, it's very interesting. So recent iOS 18 beta has been released, so people are kind of checking it out, they're poking around its code and quite a few compilers and I'm going to um re-say that, uh, the ios 18 beta has come out and a lot of people are poking around its code, um, and people that are much more knowledgeable about the code than me have found all these new features that Apple hasn't announced, which is really interesting. But some of the interesting ones is mixed language keyboards, custom charging limits. The voicemail notifications are going to show live transcriptions so you can see what people are saying while they say it.

Speaker 3: 36:57

I've seen that.

Speaker 4: 36:58

So that's something that's a soft release thing. Uh, a control center redesign, custom flashlight beams. I don't know how that works. That's gonna be cool. Uh, I don't know if you'll be able to do like logos or I'm not sure like the back maybe I, I'm assuming, that's what that means.

Speaker 1: 37:19

I'm thinking of lightsabers. I'm not sure.

Speaker 4: 37:23

I'm not sure physically how that will be. Maybe it's something that will be included on the new phones. I'm not sure. Imessage gets a bunch of new animations. Siri will respond while you're wearing your AirPods. If you shake your head, yes or no, it will recognize that no, siri. It'll be very interesting. So if you don't want to say your Shona does not a fan of Siri.

Speaker 3: 37:47

She's not a fan of Siri. I'm anti-Siri.

Speaker 2: 37:48

Are you more of an anti-Siri?

Speaker 3: 37:49

girl.

Speaker 4: 37:49

I'm going to have to re-say that.

Speaker 2: 37:51

No, I'm not. Siri is banned in the Curie household as far as it's up to me.

Speaker 4: 38:04

she's very jealous of siri and alexa. So, siri, I'll explain why later. Sorry, I'm gonna. I'm gonna reset. Oh no, it's pulling up. Oh, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill.

Speaker 2: 38:10

Thank you okay oh, because you said the word siri will respond.

Speaker 4: 38:15

while you're wearing your airpods, it's going again, oh goodness.

Speaker 2: 38:20

Say S-I-R-I.

Speaker 4: 38:21

No, I'm just going to say it and ignore it. Siri is going to respond to you while you're wearing your AirPods. So if you shake your head, yes, you're not going to have to say yes, it's automatically going to recognize that you shook your head, yes. So if it's asking you a question and you're on a subway or something and you don't want to say it out loud and go like that and go like that, it's going to respond. It's going to write your response, pretty much, uh. And then the notes app, finally, will be able to solve math equations, which I think is being slow released now, but that's something Excel has been able to do forever.

Speaker 3: 38:57

Just just saying calculator. So so what's what? Just saying Goodbye calculator. So what's the big Okay? So far, I'm thinking iPhone users can stay at the company. What's this concern about removing them from a business? Where did this even come from? That's the headline.

Speaker 4: 39:15

The headline is the whole thing. Elon is threatening to remove Apple devices from all the companies he takes part in. He was talking about this a little bit on X, and why he's doing this is because Apple is going to be mixing Siri with ChatGPT to try and give you more answers, more accurate answers and more conversation-like things. And basically what Elon is concerned about is the privacy policies within open AI and chat GPT, and it'll be very interesting. I can understand from a business viewpoint why you would be concerned about that.

Speaker 2: 40:03

So he's worried about like things that people say being picked up on their phone, like even maybe something he says or like you know some of his trade secrets or something like that, and then kind of being available on an open source platform, exactly so it's not exactly that.

Speaker 4: 40:20

it's open source, but, as far as I'm aware, we don't really know how open AI logs and how its AI learns, and so if it's constantly pooling what Tesla engineers are saying and there's a leak, or even just open AI employees share that data to another car company and releases Tesla's secrets, there's no legal protection there, really, other than what their privacy policy says.

Speaker 3: 40:55

So that's going to be interesting. That's a really interesting insight there. I could definitely see issues with that because, you're right, they don't really know exactly how all this information is being logged and we all know how great these phones are at listening to us all the time. Anyways, tiktok ads are going to show up on my phone today because Olivia was sharing her love for TikTok and I'm like that's going to be all over my phone now and now taking that on a version of in a business place where these platforms could be listening and feeding that to chat GPT information's database for it to answer where's the, where's the control? I could definitely see concerns being that with on trades and stuff. Uh, for sure, even like with the you mentioned head tracking, I mean I could see that being used for, like, if you're listening to spotify and you're like, yeah, I like this music and it's like, hey, I'm gonna play more of this because the way their movements are, yeah, these things are getting more powerful than we probably ever imagined.

Speaker 2: 42:05

Uh, but I think that's a good concern. Ashton, do you remember I thought someone brought up a um article about how the military was banning use of certain devices for the same reason? Do you remember hearing something?

Speaker 4: 42:17

I think that was, more specifically, software-based um. A lot of military personnel were not allowed to use tiktok, uh, due to how they were treating data and how, more specifically, how they could be treating data, yeah, uh I see okay I don't believe that ever happened to any specific hardware such as iphones or any Android phone or anything like that.

Speaker 2: 42:44

Okay. So poll, would you be happy if your workplace banned? I mean technically, brian, you don't have a workplace, it's at home. So okay, let's ask that how would you feel if iPhones were banned in your house? Would you like that or no?

Speaker 3: 42:57

Well, anybody that's listening, let us know. Send us a text on the show notes. Text us a message. Let us know. What are your thoughts about banning iPhones. How would you feel about that If it was at your workplace or anywhere Within?

Speaker 4: 43:08

your own home.

Speaker 3: 43:09

I mean gosh, it could be anywhere. I mean a lot of people don't want smart. I guess technically we all work from home don't want smart speakers right now, because of it being able to listen. I mean, you don't?

Speaker 2: 43:20

like siri and alexa. So what I'm thinking more specifically, though, is like, if you are going to a job outside of your home and they said you can't bring in your iphone, what would you feel like? What would you think about it like?

Speaker 4: 43:32

put yourself in that position I think it would depend on how it's a go ahead how it was enforced. How it was handled, I think, would be more concerning to me. Are all these phones just getting left in a bucket somewhere where someone could just walk out with the bucket, or are they actually setting up an area for you to where you can leave your phone? Maybe, like the little docks, you can get that clean your phone.

Speaker 3: 44:01

Maybe you put your phone in there and it cleans it and keeps it safe while you're gone and it's not just like unprofessionally handled maybe next time we'll bring this up, because I know we talked about it earlier and, uh, it probably good to bring back, since we're now officially launched the podcast. Uh, this might be a good thing to look at that brick. I know like at home we have that brick where you can use it and it shuts down certain apps. Is that something that could possibly be used? I don't know, we can discuss that too, and then in a future episode. But these are really good, really good things to think about. Olivia, do you have something?

Speaker 1: 44:36

oh, I was just gonna say I would say then go ahead and buy me a work Android Smart.

Speaker 4: 44:44

Yeah, I like that, I like that.

Speaker 2: 44:46

Personally, like part of me says you're not going to tell me what I can bring to work and not bring to work. Part of me says that Part of me says like I love not having my phone with me. Me says like I love not having my phone with me, so like, for instance, in my yoga class, like I leave my phone in the car because I don't want it to go off and interrupt everything. So I love what it feels like when I don't have my phone, like the being able to focus more and not thinking like hey, I wonder if someone texts me or whatever. So I like that feeling. But also I don't want someone to tell me like I don't want someone to enforce that on me. Well, I don't want someone to enforce that on me.

Speaker 3: 45:19

Well, I mean, I'm wondering if there's got to be a way, if not right now, but at some point. If this is the case, elon, if you're listening, make it happen. Man, you're a tech guy. I mean a lot of these places they block different applications you can't use. Like we were just at Verizon and we were not able to load a game app because you're on the Verizon's Wi-Fi. So if you're at a workplace, can you put some kind of blocker on Siri, like that's the concern of us working with Siri? Maybe it can't. There's got to be a way to be able to block that.

Speaker 4: 45:51

Maybe it can't communicate to Apple servers or open AI servers. However, it's handled, yeah.

Speaker 3: 45:59

Yeah, that's been interesting. This has been a good. This has been been some good, good insights.

Speaker 4: 46:04

I hope everybody else One more, one more thing to add to that. It could even be handled where they have some sort of device that is blocking a microphone, or maybe it's similar to a dog whistle, where only the microphone can hear a frequency that we can't. Something I'm going gonna bring formula one into this uh, something that ferrari did I think it was a few years back, uh, when they were doing a bunch of things where, like, all these fans were coming in and could see stuff that couldn't be leaked. They put stickers on people's phones so there couldn be cameras. I'll show it to the camera so you guys can see. We'll have to add it in post, but they put stickers all over people's phones Devices.

Speaker 1: 46:53

Yeah that way if one of those stickers came off, you would know.

Speaker 3: 46:59

That camera isn't covered, so it could leak stuff. Well, I think this is good. This has been a great mindful bites, I think. With what you brought here, ashton, I think it's an eye-opener that we have to be more mindful. These technologies are continuing to change the securities, are changing the way these platforms affect our lives and impact our lives. Just like what you brought up shauna that's changing olivia are the way we use these technologies as tiktok versus google. The all lives and impact our lives. Just like what you brought up, shauna, that's changing Olivia, the way we use these technologies as TikTok versus Google. All these things are changing and it's great for us to be mindful about these changes and discuss it and see what does it look like? I mean, maybe the iOS should have considered tying Syrian with TikTok, not chat GPT.

Speaker 2: 47:35

I don't know, just saying.

Speaker 3: 47:36

I mean, who knows, maybe, maybe they'll change it up, but we would love to hear your guys' thoughts and we thank you guys all for tuning in for the Mindful Bites podcast and we'll check and we'll see you during. How do I close that guys?

Speaker 2: 47:51

I don't know. We'll see you in the next episode we were supposed to come up with a funny way to end, oh, yeah, oh, yeah just yeah, see you next time, yeah, with that I guess let's do this yeah, go ahead, let's do what oh remember how, remember how I said like each one of us can say a word. Do you like that idea?

Speaker 3: 48:11

still, I'm like really kind of stuck on it. I know you're kind of stuck on it, but it might be hard to do why.

Speaker 4: 48:18

What are you?

Speaker 3: 48:18

thinking it's 1220, so what are you thinking Rapidly?

Speaker 2: 48:22

Mother, all of us. Okay, so me, olivia and Brian, each one of us real fast in a row we're going to say tick, and then, ashton, you're going to say boom, okay.

Speaker 4: 48:34

Okay.

Speaker 2: 48:34

I'll start. Are you ready? Go fast.

Speaker 3: 48:42

Okay, tick, tick start.

Speaker 4: 48:43

Are you ready? Go fast, okay. Tick, tick, boom. That did not work at all. That did not work in the show, like that tick tick, tick.

Speaker 2: 48:46

That's not gonna work, mom. I'm saying like, as the very last thing they hear, like you still have an outro like thanks for joining us.

Speaker 3: 48:52

Blah, blah, blah but what is the tick, tick, boom for?

Speaker 2: 48:54

okay, we're okay tick, tick, tick, boom. It's like we're going to do all sort of like references, but it's all-.

Speaker 4: 49:00

And what is that reference to?

Speaker 2: 49:03

It's a song I forget right now, but it's a good reference.

Speaker 4: 49:07

This is going in. This is our outro, by the way, this is staying in.

Speaker 3: 49:10

Oh, this is no. This is like People's already tuned out by now. They're like I.

Speaker 4: 49:15

Sorry people, I'll shorten it a little bit.

Speaker 3: 49:16

Sorry, all right, well everybody. Hey, thanks for joining us for this episode of the Mindful Bites podcast. If you enjoyed the podcast, make sure you click that follow button. And, hey, if you find this podcast valuable to you, you know, pay us for a couple. You know, click that support link in the show notes and send us a coffee. We would love that. We appreciate you guys. Have a great week. Send us a coffee.

Speaker 1: 49:39

We would love that. We appreciate you guys have a great week.

Speaker 3: 49:40

Bye.

Speaker 1: 49:41

Bye, bye, tick, tick, tick, tick Tick.

Speaker 3: 49:45

Boom, tick, tick Boom.

Speaker 4: 49:47

Tick, tick, tick, boom. No, olivia already went. Boom, it's one piece of dynamite.

Speaker 3: 50:01

It's not multiple. We're all for dynamite, so we can all for save boom if we want this show was dynamite boom, tick, tick, tick boom.

Speaker 2: 50:04

I'm surprised you don't remember that, guys. Yes, it can, oh all right, cool.

Speaker 3: 50:12

Okay, let me stop the recording guys, so this can upload real quick.