What does it feel like to style hair for celebrities like Michael Jackson and the Obamas? Dr. Keith Harley, a prominent trichologist with 35 years in the beauty industry, enlightens us on his incredible journey. Don't miss out on his inspiring stories from working with the stars to running successful hair and scalp clinics, and how he gracefully transitioned into a new phase of his life.
Transitioning from a personal story of triumph and resilience, our guest speaker shares the harrowing tale of hitting rock bottom and embracing the need for change. From life in corporate America to becoming an influencer and branding expert, he empowers listeners with the art of focusing on solutions, not problems. He also underscores the vital balance between satisfying clients and looking after oneself in the service industry. The wisdom he shares is a must-hear for aspiring entrepreneurs and those seeking a fresh perspective on success.
But, hold on to your seats as we delve into the transformative power of mindset and confidence in creating a successful personal brand. Harley elucidates his journey of building his brand from the inside out, accentuating the significance of faith, manifestation, and altering negative thoughts, especially during challenging times like a pandemic. We wrap up with a profound discussion on the art of letting go and the importance of understanding oneself to unlock true success. This is an episode filled with nuggets of wisdom and inspiration that you won't want to miss.
What does it feel like to style hair for celebrities like Michael Jackson and the Obamas? Dr. Keith Harley, a prominent trichologist with 35 years in the beauty industry, enlightens us on his incredible journey. Don't miss out on his inspiring stories from working with the stars to running successful hair and scalp clinics, and how he gracefully transitioned into a new phase of his life.
Transitioning from a personal story of triumph and resilience, our guest speaker shares the harrowing tale of hitting rock bottom and embracing the need for change. From life in corporate America to becoming an influencer and branding expert, he empowers listeners with the art of focusing on solutions, not problems. He also underscores the vital balance between satisfying clients and looking after oneself in the service industry. The wisdom he shares is a must-hear for aspiring entrepreneurs and those seeking a fresh perspective on success.
But, hold on to your seats as we delve into the transformative power of mindset and confidence in creating a successful personal brand. Harley elucidates his journey of building his brand from the inside out, accentuating the significance of faith, manifestation, and altering negative thoughts, especially during challenging times like a pandemic. We wrap up with a profound discussion on the art of letting go and the importance of understanding oneself to unlock true success. This is an episode filled with nuggets of wisdom and inspiration that you won't want to miss.
Stay focused. I'm just saying focus. I want us to do the right thing for this.
Speaker 3:So what you have to do is go back to why you became that way.
Speaker 2:We? Well, today we have a distinguished guest here on the real tea podcast. I'm Kenny, got nail, we got to make a donel. Hey, oh hell, other side of me, but we got in this hot chair, dr Keith Harley. It's so much of a storyline but but without us, without us just going too deep into, we're gonna Let keep kind of tell his own story. Then we go here with all these questions. Okay, give us a little intro about you.
Speaker 3:Oh, intro, yeah, just a little bit I mean we all family right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right, that's right. So I have been in the beauty industry for 35 years, retired. I had two hair and scalp clinics in the Washington metropolitan area. My doctor is the, a doctorate in trichology, which is the study of hair and scalp disorders. So I started off as a stylist, a hair stylist and I got bored, but Primarily because people were coming to me with hair loss disorders and didn't know what to do with. So I went back to school and got my doctorates and I did my dissertation at NIH and Then I opened up Keith Harley hair and scalp clinic in Washington DC downtown and then I opened up my second one in Arlington, virginia.
Speaker 1:Okay, that is phenomenal. That is the previous life, I think absolutely right, yep. Why did you transition out of that? Because that was helping so many people wait before we get to.
Speaker 2:Before we get to the transition. How did you even come? What's the? What's the name of the dog? On the Greek, a trichologist.
Speaker 3:I didn't know it was it existed and someone told me there was a program that was that was started with the University of California. Okay, and it was a trichology program that was introduced by the national beauty League. They came together and said this needs to be done because there's nothing out there like it. Mm-hmm so they submitted, it became official, and we became official as a true trichologist.
Speaker 3:So after opening up to Well, it was 35 years of Working with celebrities I dealt with, like the president of BET, deborah Lee, michael Jackson traveled with him for about two years.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:Yes, so, michael, a lot of people didn't know Michael Jackson. There's a young lady by the name of Ray mom Bain, who was his publicist and his manager, and she worked with a Dean King who was the owner of the salon that I worked at. One of the things I was known for was to, when celebrities would come in, she would call on a couple of us to assist them. Michael and I would develop the relationship through way, mom. So I have to tell you it. You know it's so interesting working with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3:I wasn't starstruck until one day. Okay, there was two times, two times actually. We were at Deborah Lee's house who was the president, be to, who was the president B2? And we were in her closet while he was in there hiding because he was making a surprise. Yet, you know, in her house and he started throwing skittles at me you know the candy, yeah. And so I was like you know, oh, he would hit me, and you know he liked to play games. And I was like, okay, so I threw one back. And then he threw one and it hit me upside my head. Okay, that's enough of skittles, right.
Speaker 3:And then the second time was when we were in the elevator Together with him and his security, and I was in the back of the elevator and I looked at him and I said this is Michael. And I started getting weak in the knees. Yeah, I was like this is so. That was one of the moments where I just said, oh yeah, this is real. And so then it went from there to I worked with Gladys Knight. I worked with Eva Longoria, which was amazing. Then she and I worked together again when the Obamas was in office, and so I worked with a White House for eight years. The whole time, though, obama's was in office, as their guest hairstylist. Who do all the guests that came in? So I worked with Aretha Franklin I worked with. I toured with baby face, did all his hair and makeup. So my career was I don't know. You remember L DeBarge and his brother.
Speaker 3:James so I worked with those two after seven. So the list goes on and on and on. Did you have any bubbles?
Speaker 2:Bummel no, no, and you know it's so interesting.
Speaker 3:But that's the question people are asking. Right, but that's it's so interesting when he a lot of people don't know. He lived in DC for about six to eight months and he we were up in Virginia, so a lot of people just didn't know he was there. And when he first got there which was shocking for me we welcomed him there and he went on the land that he was staying in and for his first time he saw lightning bugs and so his two kids were there blanket in them and they were running around trying to catch lightning bugs and putting them in jars yeah, what we used to do in the country. Hello, but to see it, it was like, wow, he really was a kid, he was, he was a great guy to work with, he was a good person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, how do you? How do you then transition? All right, because it sounds like the business was successful. It was, you had clients and you were in a field that Didn't seem like there was a lot of representation of what we look like. Right, so To transition like what? What?
Speaker 3:led up to that. I got tired and I was bored and it got to the point where the clients became too demanding. And when I'm, as you get older, my age and you realize that if you're not happy and You're not being fulfilled but everybody else is being fulfilled through you you just become drained always have this statement. I always say you have to fill your own cup, and once your cup is filled, what overflows into the saucer is for everybody else, mm-hmm. Well, my cup was depleting and never being filled. Everybody else was, and I was tired, so I was. It got to the point when I would raise my head off the pillow. I was like I don't want to go to work today, so I would make excuses. And then I didn't want a bad reputation, so I said, okay, I'm gonna make an exit strategy. And so back in 20 and this is how God works in manifestation. I truly believe in 2019. December is when I decided it was over. Right after I took the sign down, moved here to Dallas, texas. Why Dallas? I have to ask that.
Speaker 2:Well, he's the best lady in the story. He's the best in the story. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:You're the best in the story. So someone came into my life and we were good friends for a long period of time and our friendship grew and grew and grew. And then I heard that there was great opportunity here in Dallas, texas. Came here, the friendship went from a friendship to a relationship and when I got here January I mean, yeah, january of 2020, two months later, the pandemic hit COVID and so everything shut down.
Speaker 3:So here I am in a strange city with a strange person who's just my friend, we're just friends and nowhere to go, nothing to do but sit on the couch and look like this and I thought to myself oh no, so I went to a depression, okay, and I was disappointed, upset because I thought I had made the wrong decision at the wrong time, but not realizing God was preparing me for the transition.
Speaker 3:And through those three months of everything shutting down and then being shut down for almost two years, I had to go within myself to find out who I was now. So that's when I wrote my book and that step up, your present situation is not your final destination. And so I wrote the book and then, as things were going, I became this full-time lifestyle influencer. Yeah, what the heck is that? So I was playing with TikTok in the middle of COVID. We went to Walmart and my first TikTok I guess video was me walking through Walmart trying not to touch nothing and trying to stay away from people. So I was going through Walmart, right this, and it went viral and I mean it had almost like a million and something views.
Speaker 2:That's the craziest thing. Right.
Speaker 3:It's the stupidest thing. Right You're pushing the basket at Walmart, the basket and the music that I had with it. So it went viral and I said so let me start doing some research. So the first thing I noticed as I looked into this vlogger thing there wasn't people that looked like me or was my age that did influencing or blogging or blogging. So it was a gap. It was a gap, it was something missing. So I started doing more research and all I saw no pun intended was a bunch of young, white, young ladies who were doing great at what they did, but I never saw someone in their fifties, african-american, male, doing influencing.
Speaker 3:So what I did interesting enough, is I started reflecting back on everything I've learned from all of my celebrity clients, all of my business clients. I had clients from the janitor to the president of the United States Not many people could say that I was working at the White House with Mrs Obama and President Obama doing their guests. And then I had janitors who were clients, right. So everything that I learned over the years, I said let's take that and influence other people that they can do the same thing. So I came up with this tagline make everything an experience through everything that you do, through fashion, food, travel, decor, motivation and inspiration. So that's me, that's what I created. So that was going on and it was building and building and building. I went from like 100 followers on TikTok to almost 100,000 followers. Instagram was growing. Linkedin was growing. Facebook went to 50,000 followers. I don't know how to cook I'm not a chef right? That's what I see on your screen. I'm getting ready to tell you that.
Speaker 2:I'm getting ready to tell you Okay.
Speaker 3:So I remember I'm from Greensboro, north Carolina. My grandmother's name was Emma Bell, Jamison. Okay, I used to sit in the kitchen and watch her cook and so, in the midst of the pandemic, I started reflecting back I would close my eyes sometime and I remembered how she made the homemade biscuits. I remembered how she made the collard greens. I remember how she cooked the pot roast or the neck bones and the oxtail and all the stuff that is horrible for you, but interesting enough, those people lived until they were 100 years old. Interesting enough. Interesting enough, they didn't have McDonald's, but don't let. Yeah, exactly Don't let. What does his name? I can't think of a. Yeah, don't let our friend know. Yeah, we was talking about I'll tell.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna say Chef Paul Right, I tried not to say it, but you're gonna be like this yeah, here's Bernie for right now, but he said something interesting on one of your interviews.
Speaker 3:He said back then people were growing their stuff in their backyards and their gardens and stuff, you know, organic. It was organic, so that's why they lived until we, 100 years old, fast forward, sitting in the kitchen. I just started cooking and baking. I started off with a banana bread. It turned out perfect. Then I went to the pound cake, then I went to the greens, then I went to creating what we call a Sunday meal. Sunday meals were what we come from right. That's where conversations were, had Families situated, everybody came to somebody's house on for Sunday meals and so I started that and out of that came there's a difference between family and relatives. Out of that, through the meal, we cannot choose our relatives, but we can choose our family. And that's pretty much what I focused on, starting through the pandemic creating family and relationships.
Speaker 2:So you've been able to do something that a lot of people, I think, are scared to do, absolutely Frankly, and that's transition from one thing to another thing. Yes, so you talked about how, when you knew it was time, you were no longer happy getting up in the morning. You was no longer pleased, but you still got up. Yep, I had to Because you had stuff to do. A lot of people who watch this are entrepreneurs, right, and they deal with that. How do I stay motivated? How do I stay focused? How do I stay in this?
Speaker 3:vein to get up and keep it moving. When you get sick and tired of being sick and tired, you have to do. It's almost like when you hit rock bottom and you have nowhere else to go but up. So sometimes God will lay you back on your back, you can look up and you have no other choice but to figure it out. We always stay focused on the problems but never the solutions.
Speaker 3:The second part is we wanna tell everybody about the problems, but the issue is with that is you keep asking for advice from people who you choose not to trade places with, which keeps you where you are Right. And the reason why we do that is because our level of insecurities and our upbringing. We don't want to get people's approval to, even smile or adopt to happiness, because it's not okay of the way we were brought up. It's not what it's supposed to be. So I had to learn how to cut the umbilical cord of my past. That was the first start. Okay.
Speaker 3:Once I did that, I said I deserve to be happy. I have to take myself off the sale rack and put myself back in the glass case, which means I have to teach people how to treat me first. That was what I lost in the business. People were demanding, they were telling me what to do. I was a people pleaser because of my level of insecurities, so if I felt like the client didn't like me, I felt bad. If I felt like I did something wrong, I felt bad, and then, when things were right, I would look for things to be wrong, because that's unfamiliar, terrible.
Speaker 2:So that's a lot of billing. How do you balance that? How do you balance that in a service industry where I need to take care of my client, but I also need to take care of me and this person obviously doesn't care about that Absolutely. How do you balance that dynamic?
Speaker 3:Well see, first of all, what I want everybody to know is we are like animals. We are animals, people. It is what it is we sense fear, and we don't even know it. So you will say things to people that you will think is okay, because you know certain people will react certain ways right.
Speaker 3:So if you have a level of confidence and you have a level of high self-esteem, people are gonna respect you in a certain way. If you are not at that level, which I call maybe a level two or level three, people are always gonna run over you. So what you have to do is go back to why you became that way. Why am I this way? Why am I insecure? Why do I have a little self-esteem? Why do I continue to be in these bad relationships? Why do I continue to attract the same person and we always blame?
Speaker 1:them.
Speaker 3:However, it's you because you attracted it.
Speaker 1:You know, one thing that I love that you said was that you started to tell yourself why would we leave an affirmation? Leave a declaration and you started to tell yourself what you wanted to be. You didn't feel that way.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And you made a switch because you knew you deserve better.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And I think a lot of people are scared to take a leap of faith. I call it a faith walk because it's an unknown Right right you have to change completely. I have my doctorate, I've had successful businesses. I'm in a new location.
Speaker 1:You had to do something that I feel a lot of people are scared to do because they're the unknown is so scary or unfamiliar that they do not want to do it. And we can relate as business owners and being entrepreneurs, shifting out of corporate America, becoming entrepreneurs and not relying on corporate to sustain us, that's right. So I'm so excited for you because that gave us a chance to meet you, because not only do you do the lifestyle, but also do branding and imaging.
Speaker 3:So can you talk a little bit about that? Yes, so, interesting enough, when I got here and started becoming an influencer which was going great I received a call from this lady who saw me in the mall. She said oh my God, I see you all the time on TikTok, I see you on social media. She said you know what? You need to be working with Niemans. And so I said okay. So she made a call, they called me and they said you need to come in so we can meet you. So that's funny.
Speaker 3:I went in. They said we want to put you to the beauty department. And they put me You're like whoa, whoa, right, okay, okay. So what's this beauty department? And they told me the product line, which was I can't even remember the name of it right now, but I don't remember anything. So they put me there and I found myself standing around the counter singing, you know, huh, yeah. So I told them no, this ain't working, right, this is not working. So then they moved me from the beauty department to the men's department. Okay, and you know, I was standing around, I was doing extremely well. A lot of people were coming up to me. You're the God from social media. That's a good buy something. So you know we were doing that and then on the side, I was styling and branding people and then they came to me and said, you know, I said well, I said I wanted to be in the styling department and being in Florence with you know, neiman's yeah, and they said okay. So they made me wait about three months and then they moved me up there and then got my own area and it's been incredible.
Speaker 3:What I'm enjoying the most is showing people that, whatever age you are, your mindset is what's creates the brand and then what I write the image and then I fine tune it to where how we work on you from the inside out, because you can wear anything, but if you don't feel like you should feel inside, the clothes won't look right. You could wear trash, let me tell you. There have been many times I've worn trash, but because of the way that I feel about myself, people come to me and say where did you get that? It's not what you got, it's who you are and it's who you are with inside and that is how people perceive you.
Speaker 3:You can go out and get a Doche, gabbana, chanel, any type of whatever design, and you put it on and people will look at you like you crazy, because you're trying to figure out. Are they looking at you and did I buy this for you to look at? And how do I feel in it? Yeah, you got what I'm saying. Yeah, but you could put on an outfit after you've done the work. You got me Okay and you're confident within yourself. Then, when you put on a clothes, not only do you feel good, it reeks, it reeks confidence. Then you know they're ready to roll.
Speaker 2:And I keep. It seems like In your transitions and we laugh because you know, I know the top of people. So it seems like in your transitions you've hit it and you had success at each spot. Right, I have right, that's what it seems like. But there's people who watch this and they're like, yeah, but I'm not having this success. So I don't. How do I build this confidence that you're talking about Mm-hmm, where I'm having somewhat success, or I'm struggling? Right now I want to get to a spot where I don't feel like I'm working out of, feel like I'm enjoying my life. I'm centered in who I am. I know who I am when I walk into a room.
Speaker 3:But how do I get that? First of all, you know my good best friend, gloria Mayfield Banks. We've been best friends for 20 something years. Yes, she's amazing. She said to me one day People always give up right when the blessing is right around the corner, just right there. And then everybody after they do something. I don't do that, oh what I would say. If it's taking too long, it's not for you, or either you're not working hard enough or this is something I talked about in the speech that I did the other day.
Speaker 3:People manifest, but they don't have the faith behind the manifestations. They don't speak it out and they'll say what it is and da, da, da, da, da, da. But they don't believe it because they're in their minds. They're saying can I do this? It's not gonna happen. What my husband said, what my wife said, my baby daddy said da, da, da, da, da, da, da. And Each moment that they think about those things, it depletes the energy to keep trying. Yeah, and then To your listeners and followers and your viewers Stop Let me say this to everyone, stop making up stories in your head that are not true or not true yet.
Speaker 2:Does that make?
Speaker 3:sense Okay, we create stories in our head that really don't exist and Then you begin to believe them and focus on that disbelief. Yeah, but what's interesting enough and I want everybody to notice, when you hear the conversation in your head, build the muscle in your head that's gonna allow you to change the thought process. That's the part that people need to get when you, when you're thinking I can't do it, say stop, stop, stop, stop. Say this in your head to yourself I can do it. Let's figure out how, when you say I can't afford that car, stop saying I can't afford it. Say how can I afford it?
Speaker 3:There's a difference between can't and how when you fix that in your hand, your thought process begins to change. Then stop talking to people who you shouldn't be taking. You keep putting people on a pedestal that don't deserve a stepping stone. You know what I'm saying. You keep running the people asking for approval. And how do I do this? Well, what have they done right? Have they done what you? Yeah, have it, or have why? Why, if they're gonna continue to say no, this is not for you? Nine times out of ten, it's because they didn't do it, or they can't do it or don't know how. So they would rather Keep you where they are because they're uncomfortable with the changes that you're making for yourself.
Speaker 1:The collection oh.
Speaker 3:Okay. So in the midst of the pandemic, when I was becoming a little, I tell you, I Started Keith Harley collections, which was her clothing line for men and women, and it was going great because people were shopping online, they were at home, it was perfect. So I hired an assistant, I had two models. We would get together every week into a live and it was just massive. But what happened was I don't know if you are remember Things that were being shipped from out of the country, that were coming to our country, were being held up at the shipyards in California and Literally, it was taking six to eight months for us to get merchandise.
Speaker 3:And so I. It really had a ripple effect and my business started slowing down with getting deliveries out. So, of course, some people are like look, you ever given me my product, give me my money back. Better than that, I would try to explain. But consumers don't want to hear that. They want big money back, right, right. And so we had to slow it down and then eventually stop. Now things are still getting better. Ships are still, you know, being stagnant a lot, and a lot of people don't know this, which is crazy to me, but it's getting better. Deliveries are coming in, so now what we're doing is we're bringing it back out.
Speaker 2:I'm just. I'm just tired of seeing all the stuff that I want to wear on his social media and then I got to text him like gee, what's up Before you put it on, why, why?
Speaker 1:why why? Why, why why?
Speaker 2:why, why, why, why, why, why? Why? You know he's like, oh, you would wear that. Come on man. A lot of people are scared to move, um, because they think there needs to be a roadmap, right, and. And so they may be unhappy in a situation or at a job or whatever, and they won't move because they're like, well, I need the roadmap, I'm not sure where to go next, right, um, but you made moves and it didn't seem like you always had a road. No, no, I didn't, yeah.
Speaker 3:Uh, mine came from what the people that I started hanging around it started with. Uh, I was homeless at one time and I used to get magazines and I would tear the pictures out of things I wanted to do, things that I wanted in places I wanted to go and people who I wanted to meet apps and didn't even know it. Yeah, um and every I, I here's my hand to God. I swear to you all, anything that I've ever wanted, whether it's a car, whether it's a home, whether it's a piece of, I don't care what it is. If I say I want it, I get it. When I moved to Dallas, I looked at uh, uh, what is the tall building, the, the, uh, the, the it's, it's a, uh, it's a condo building Right downtown, it was built by the fire department or something, and it's right over Clyde Warren Park.
Speaker 1:It's. It looks like all glass.
Speaker 3:I can't even think of the name of it. But when I came here, I went there and I said I would, this is the area I wanted to live in, yeah, and I said this is the, this is it, this is it. And then the guy came to you know and said you know, this is like $3 million. I was like, oh, I said that's why the elevator goes up to the living room. Yeah, you know, uh, but interesting enough, uh, it God will give you more than what you ask for.
Speaker 3:And so I ended up moving down the street and I ended up moving into a place that was three times is better, three times cheaper and very convenient and comfortable. So you might not get exactly what it is that you want, but you will get what is right for you. It is even better. But the roadmap part is first, one belief you got to have. You got to believe that you deserve the difference between successful people and unsuccessful people, as we don't believe that we're entitled. We think entitled is a bad word, but it's not when you see, let's use president Trump as an example.
Speaker 2:The reason why I'm just saying you got to give it to him.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, Everything he believes that he is and everything that he believes that he wants, he gets. And if you don't get it, he'll pretend like he got it because he feels, like he's entitled to it.
Speaker 2:If there's one thing you can learn from that man.
Speaker 3:he will figure out a way to make you believe that is up to him, that he gets what he wants to get.
Speaker 1:Does that?
Speaker 2:make sense and so when? So you call that psychopath.
Speaker 3:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 2:But it. But I'm with you, I'm tracking that. Yeah, it is psychopath, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:But when you look at, if you look at the history of successful people, they believe they deserve it and you're not going to tell them anything different. And their belief turns into reality and then their reality makes them want more and that is why they have success. You got to have the belief.
Speaker 2:And I guess that also ties in with what you said before, though it's that self-talk, right.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:If I believe I deserve it, then I'm not going to say talk myself out of it, but I'm not going to say I don't Exactly. I'm going to say how do I get it Exactly? What do I need to do to get that?
Speaker 1:thing, Absolutely.
Speaker 3:What do I?
Speaker 2:need to do to get in that position, to get what I say. I deserve and you're not going to let anybody move you out of that space and you're not going to let anybody talk you out of that space.
Speaker 3:That is correct.
Speaker 2:You're going to do whatever you need to do to get it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the other part is don't let people talk you out of it, and you might be. Let me tell you, god will eliminate what you want. Well, that's good.
Speaker 1:Say that one more time. God will eliminate us.
Speaker 3:God will eliminate what you want. He'll give you. Can you make that to a T? Oh, absolutely, that's real. He will whisper to you and say, hey, this ain't right, they ain't right, and she ain't right, and he ain't right, but you won't listen. Then he goes hey, hey, now I told you the first time, right? He telling you with your hard head keep doing it right. And then the next thing you hear was a yell. Hey, adam told you, and you still don't do it. So then the next thing you find out is you've been eliminated and they have two. And then you got to start from scratch trying to figure out what happened. That's number one. You have to, because you have to say why did this happen to me? It's him clearing everything out of the way, all of the distractions, all of the stuff that is stopping you from doing what you need to do.
Speaker 1:Now in that moment you're going to feel lonely and like you have no one. I'm isolated a little bit Pretty much, you know.
Speaker 3:I'm lonely. Nobody loves me. Da da, da, da, da da. What he's doing is he's clearing the path so you can first love him. I got chills when I just said that. And then you love you. And then, when you get that combination and that relationship going, everything comes to fruition. Everything just falls into place, Because then you're not walking alone and then you can decide who you want to accept.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's some good stuff, because that's a place of maturity, and maturity is not relative to age, it's mindset.
Speaker 3:And I didn't learn until after I was 50. So it can happen anytime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a place of maturity. And then learning to self-walk, learning to walk in what is for you, which is not easy to do, and there's not a lot of people talking about how you do. Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I have to add, as yourself talk Absolutely. It's what you wake up every day saying to yourself, the belief that you think about yourself. That's where it starts.
Speaker 3:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, a lot of people don't know the power of life and death in power and time.
Speaker 2:That's biblical yes, and progress 1820. Yes.
Speaker 1:Come on man. The whole point I'm saying is what you say now, as we talk about this consistently over this past four and five minutes. I believed it, I said it, I walked in it. I started moving in it. Even though I couldn't see it yet. And I think that's what a lot of people do not do.
Speaker 2:So I'm so glad you're sharing that oh, absolutely and moving in those times where you don't have all the answers, oh you can't and trying to find we can relate to that. Yeah, we can relate to that, you don't have all the answers you can see so far? Yeah, but not everything.
Speaker 1:But you don't get to see everything.
Speaker 2:Right. And you have to pull back on. Ok, why am I doing this? What is my foundation?
Speaker 1:What am I going?
Speaker 2:after what am I chasing? What am I following? What does God call me to do? And resting on that, no matter how difficult, or who stay or go.
Speaker 3:Exactly, exactly, and I think that's the hard part for people is letting go. That was hard for me, letting go. I thought I needed you, regardless of how much you hurt me, regardless of how much you demeaned me, regardless of how you thought you could just treat me any kind of way. I need you, but it's because you need them, because you're afraid of that space, of getting to know who you are. It's a scary process because most of us don't want to know. You got what I'm saying, but I guarantee you, once you get to know you and if it's something you don't like, fix it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Fix it. How do you not keep receipts, Say everybody. That's the big thing that everybody's talking about. I got receipts.
Speaker 1:I got receipts.
Speaker 2:How do you not keep receipts? Because sometimes I get petty, just for you, yeah, me, sometimes I get petty and you know it doesn't hurt me too bad. I'm keeping some receipts, right. How do you not keep receipts? And if you do or don't, how do you navigate through that?
Speaker 3:Now explain to me what you mean by receipts. See, you owe All right, so let me help you out. I am Because you are 51 years old Y'all listen, be careful.
Speaker 2:Keeper. Keeper receipts is if someone in this scenario, if someone doubts you, if someone doesn't believe you, if someone is against you or hurts you, right, and then you get to a certain level of success, yep, right. And then you turn around and now this person is back in your face or in your hemisphere somewhere and you're like don't try to come now.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Don't try to act like you're used for me now.
Speaker 3:Don't try to get in my ear now.
Speaker 2:Right, because I remember. Yep, I remember, then that's the receipt. That's the receipt.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that's the receipt.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:So, without furthersprings, just as we love to move ahead. I keep receipts in my mind, but I don't remind them, because they were Listen, they showed you who they were and now you really believe them. You believe them and you know them. And the crazy part is you chose not to, I chose not to believe them. So I remember because I don't want to go through the same thing over and over again. When you repeat the same thing over again and expect a different result, it's called insanity. And it's not them, it's me. So my receipt is oh yeah, I remember, and if I see you coming, I'm going the other direction. I'm learning how to. I'm still learning how to shut it down. Does that make sense? Absolutely, it's a process, but I do keep the receipts and I got a lot of receipts.
Speaker 1:So, in closing, what do you want to leave the viewers with? It's not too late.
Speaker 3:It's not too late. The fact that you can wake up every morning and you don't see your picture or your name in the obituary, that means that there's a chance that you can make an opportunity to change, and then you see your name or your picture in the obituary Something that's wrong, you know.
Speaker 3:But yeah, it's not too late. The fact that you're looking at this podcast, that means you have another chance. You have another moment, you have another second. It's not too late to walk away from what no longer serves you or what is no longer for you. You have a chance.
Speaker 2:And then, if you were going to defy success for Keith, yes, when it's all said and done, how do you define it?
Speaker 3:That's so easy. Peace, I swear to you. It is peace when you wake up in the morning and you're not looking for something to be wrong. But it's uncomfortable because you're not used to that space. A lot of people, when they get to that piece, they look for something. Do I owe a bill? Is something wrong? No, it's peace and it's okay. I love you. That is a good thing.
Speaker 2:You're welcome. I'm glad to be here. This is great.
Speaker 3:It's always good to hang out with you Family.
Speaker 2:Good, this is family.
Speaker 3:There's a difference between family and relatives.
Speaker 2:Take that picture Alright. Follow us, like us subscribe and until next time. See you later, peace.