Own the Outcome with Tyler Deveraux
From Uncertainty to Real Estate Empire with Jessie Rodriguez | Ep. 18
In our latest episode, we're joined by Jessie Rodriguez, a resilient figure in real estate who faced tough choices and emerged triumphant. Jessie's journey from college to successful mortgage broker is a testament to resilience, family support, and mentorship. We discuss how he navigated market crashes and rebounds, finding opportunity even in adversity. Through personal anecdotes, we explore the transformative power of mentorship, the challenges of scaling a business, and the importance of family amidst turmoil. Join Tyler Deveraux for a heartfelt conversation on overcoming setbacks, building a legacy, and finding fulfillment in life's journey.
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In our latest episode, we're joined by Jessie Rodriguez, a resilient figure in real estate who faced tough choices and emerged triumphant. Jessie's journey from college to successful mortgage broker is a testament to resilience, family support, and mentorship. We discuss how he navigated market crashes and rebounds, finding opportunity even in adversity. Through personal anecdotes, we explore the transformative power of mentorship, the challenges of scaling a business, and the importance of family amidst turmoil. Join Tyler Deveraux for a heartfelt conversation on overcoming setbacks, building a legacy, and finding fulfillment in life's journey.
Connect with Jessie on Instagram
Follow Jessie's Fix and Flip Journey
Check out Jessie's Vintage Flip Academy
Thank you for listening to today's episode. If this podcast has brought a smile to your face or sparked some new ideas, I'd love to hear from you! Leaving a review would mean the world to me. Appreciate you!
Connect with Tyler on Instagram: @tyler_deveraux
Interested in multifamily investing? Attend one of our events!
All right, aloha and welcome to the Own, the Outcome podcast. My name is Tyler Deveraux and today we have Mr Jessie Rodriguez. Dude, Jessie, thanks for being here, bro.
Jessie Rodriguez:Dude, my pleasure, man. Aloha. You know it's all about the ohana, so we're family. Now let's go. let's go, hey 110, bro.
Tyler Deveraux:Right out the gates, man. I love it bro. Thank you for being on here. For those of you who don't know, Jessie, Jessie has flipped, bro. Is this right? You flipped 400 homes.
Jessie Rodriguez:When I read that, yep you know, that's crazy number you know what it sounds like a lot, but I've been doing it 10 years so it's. I feel like it's it's paced. It's it's paced nicely. You know 35 to 40 a year. You know there's been the years that have been 60 or 70. And then there's been the years, like a couple of years ago, where there was like 10, you know, when the market got really slow and really weird.
Tyler Deveraux:Yeah.
Jessie Rodriguez:You know, I wish I'm saying I flipped 3000, like that'd be sick.
Tyler Deveraux:See, I love it. I love that perspective. It's like, nah, it's like I've been doing it a long time and you know what I wish it was. I wish it was more. I love that perspective, bro. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about your journey. And I don't know, you know, where did you grow up? Just quickly, cause a lot of people talk about the stuff. So where did you grow up? How did you get into the real estate space? Cause I know you didn't start flipping, but how did you get into it?
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, so, um, so I'm a first generation American. Mom and dad came to America from Cuba, um in 62 with like the whole Bay of pigs and you know all that debacle that happened. So first in my family, if you go to college, just kind of stumbled upon real estate, like, I think, all the time people you know, especially with great podcasts like yours, or bigger pockets, like they now know, like at 17 years old I want to be an investor, like for me, I was a you know, good, smart kid. Humble beginnings. You know, my dad was a meat cutter, my mom didn't work, my mom doesn't even drive, like old school Hispanic family.
Jessie Rodriguez:Um, and I went to college, had no idea what I wanted to do, joined a fraternity and started partying because all I knew I wanted to do was meet girls, go to school. And I go to this fraternity event and some guys go hey, I'm looking for an intern, does anybody speak Spanish? And I was like I speak Spanish and they just happened to be in the mortgage industry so they gave me a job. I was cold calling for them. This is in 2000. By 2001, I get my license. I'm doing loans until 2007 while I'm in college. Right, I graduate, I don't quit school, and so I stumbled upon the real estate industry.
Jessie Rodriguez:I had no idea about it brother, like I mean, didn't know about selling houses. Buying houses, I mean, I think, if I remember correctly, like I wanted to be like a corporate teacher, like you know, which are amazing professions for America. But it's like I didn't have these ambitions of being a real estate entrepreneur so I stumbled upon the industry market crashes in 07. Um, I had a mortgage company my own at that point, right, so I worked for someone 2005, I opened my own. That was the journey to to, like, I want to be my own boss. Market crashes I lose everything. My wife got married. My wife and I got married May 19th 2007,. Bought a house like July 7th 2007,. Lost it February 2008,.
Jessie Rodriguez:Like the first eight months of my life with you know my, you know my future. I had to tell my wife that I was a loser and I failed. And you know, I think the biggest thing that came from that was the support system that she was for me. Her family stepped up. We moved in with her mom and dad. My parents gave me a car because my car was repossessed, like it was true, like you know, bottomed out, like had nothing, and and you know I'm up every night kind of trying to figure out what.
Jessie Rodriguez:What's my next step? And and you know I'm looking at the real estate industry and I'm going loans are tough, um, real estate's tough. And I kind of said you know what? I don't want to do loans anymore, I want to be a real estate agent. I just want to flip it to the other side, cause I'm to people and I didn't want to be behind the cubicle. And so I analyzed the market, dude, and I was like nobody's selling houses except there's foreclosures and short sales in 2008. And I decided to. You know, I literally I just I announced it to my family.
Tyler Deveraux:I said I'm going to be an.
Jessie Rodriguez:REO agent, which means a real estate owned, which is, you know, for the listeners that don't know, that means selling foreclosures for banks. And my wife's like how are you going to do it? And I said I have no clue. But I have no other option but to figure it out.
Tyler Deveraux:And.
Jessie Rodriguez:I mean I was up every night just researching YouTube videos, googling, buying $50 lists that say buy this list and you'll get REO accounts right Like just man.
Jessie Rodriguez:Just I came from a perspective of I have nothing to lose, so I have to go all in. And my wife was a marriage and family therapist, so she was supporting us. And within six months, brother, I got my first REO account, didn't even know how to sell it. I never sold a house before that day. I'm knocking on houses, you know, finding out if they're vacant or occupied, doing evictions, doing rehabs for the banks. I mean that first, 2008, 2009, 2010,.
Jessie Rodriguez:It was like my life just changed because I learned so much about all aspects, like I wasn't just selling houses for homeowners, like I was an asset manager, a construction company, a realtor, all in one. Right, I'm changing blocks, my dad and I trashing out the houses, because I couldn't afford to pay a crew, but the banks would pay 500 bucks or 700 bucks. I'm like, hey pops, will you help me? And we're doing the trash outs ourselves so I can make the extra 500 bucks. And yeah, you know. So you fast forward to 2010. At that point, two years into it, and I'm selling 300 houses a year, like, and then it's like 2011,. I'm selling 700 houses a year, like, and then it's like 2011,. I'm selling 700 houses a year, like I went from nothing to one of the biggest agents in California. Just, you know cash and checks, but staying super humble. There's something about when you lose everything it reprograms your brain right, in a sense.
Tyler Deveraux:And I'm really like happy that I didn't quit that, I didn't you know, cause a lot of you have.
Jessie Rodriguez:Like. You have two decisions to make the day you go under right. Do you fight back or do you give in and go in a different direction? And you know, and and get a great job. You know, do I go find that nine to five? You know where I can have benefits in a retirement account? And I said hell no.
Tyler Deveraux:I'm done. Why? That's my, yeah, that's my question what made you? What's different about JessIe Rodriguez is like in that moment, because, I agree, bro, in that moment. You literally do have those moments where it's like that's the option you either go down this route or you well, you double down, man. So what makes you want to?
Jessie Rodriguez:double down or what. Yeah, it was family man, it was the ohana. Like it was. Like you know I looked. It's like my wife was like you know this, it wasn't you didn't fail. The market failed. Like it wasn't you, the world went under. You know what I mean. And like when I when I got out of my my, you know woe is me moment that I had about I, that I suck and I'm a failure.
Jessie Rodriguez:You know she's like, did we make some decisions that were wrong? Did we overspend? Yes, like she's like, but you could do this again. You could do it bigger, you know, and it's like that's um.
Tyler Deveraux:You know her mom and dad shout out to Tina dude, that's huge bro, that's awesome she's always believed in me.
Jessie Rodriguez:She never told me no about anything like it. Dude, I could come home today and say I just did this podcast with you and I'm gonna go buy 200 units in the next six months and I don't know how and I don't know where I'm gonna get the money, but I'm going to open escrow and I'm figuring out how to close. And she'd be like well, let's go.
Jessie Rodriguez:So, yeah, dude. So I think it was just like you know, I just at that point, like I didn't have big dreams when I was 18 and I started doing loans, but I had huge dreams. By the time I was, you know, it was 2007 and eight. I knew that day I wanted but hey, I didn't know. I wanted to be an investor.
Jessie Rodriguez:I was just happy to be an agent you know, selling 300, 400, 500 houses, making some really good money. You know, not having a nice life, having a better house than we had in 2007 that we lost. Like I remember thinking in 2011,.
Jessie Rodriguez:Like man, I did this, like I'm, like, we're good, like I don't need anything else, you know a little bit of complacency kicked in and during that 2009, 10, 11 years, I used to sell houses to investors, like when you're the guy that has hundreds of listings, tyler DeRose, the guy who's calling me, saying, hey man, I want to buy that, I'm a cash buyer.
Tyler Deveraux:We're together.
Jessie Rodriguez:Right, and I've met a couple of great dudes that were older, you know older cats that are 50 years old. And then, you know, as I was 25, like, and, and you know, I got to be their friend and ask questions and go man, why are you buying this preset crap listing for a hundred grand and how are you selling it for 200, three months later? You, you know, like, as a highly experienced realtor, I couldn't wrap my head around how you buy for a low price and sell for a high price, you know, and so I like that message to your listeners because it's like you get. Yes, I was experienced and didn't understand that concept.
Tyler Deveraux:So for someone that doesn't under, like really can't understand it or doesn't believe like it exists and um, okay, and I think the key is how you actually uncovered it, though, because, bro, you said that you didn't have big dreams before you got in the the lending space, and then something unlocked big dreams there, and then, in this space, where you're dude, you're, you said some complacency kicked in, you're good, but then you saw somebody doing something you didn't know how to do, instead of just being like, oh those sons of bitches have, they're lucky, they got shit that I don't have, or whatever You're like yeah, yeah, yeah, they got family money, they're rich, they took over their parents business.
Jessie Rodriguez:Like, right, all the lies that we can tell ourselves, instead of like maybe they're just hustlers and grinders. And uh, and I think I got lucky because this gentleman, richard, that was my investor, became my mentor and like he took me under his wing. Right, he's like JessIe, go find us more houses. Like you know, we'll list everything with you, you know. And then I then I said, hey, can I manage the rehabs? Can I make another five grand? Doing that, he was like yes, like like go, you know.
Jessie Rodriguez:And this was a group, a small group here in local in Southern California, that was doing like a hundred flips a year. Like I remember going, damn, I'm selling 300 houses but they're owning a hundred. Like that, like you know, it just keeps. There's these moments in your life where it happens to all of us, but you have to realize it, like they just kept unlocking beliefs that I didn't know I had Right, and it's just like it was like, wow, maybe I can do that. You know, cause Richard's story was, you know, he didn't come from money, he was a realtor first and then he made a couple of good partners and then they came together and they started with 10 flips to then hundreds a year. And man, he was my mentor, he trained me with his money. I didn't get the benefit of the flip, but I got the knowledge right. And then one day there's this smoking deal, tyler, like $60,000 deal in Southern California, right, like I mean, why did I not keep this house Right?
Tyler Deveraux:And I said hey, Richard, I got this deal.
Jessie Rodriguez:It's $65,000. I think it's going to flip at like 150. And he's like yeah.
Tyler Deveraux:I'll take it.
Jessie Rodriguez:And I said no, I want to do this one myself. I think it's my time like to finally learn.
Jessie Rodriguez:You know, and I was nervous to tell him, bro, cause I thought that, bro, this is the day he says I see the true colors of who. He is Right, he's going to be like you're done, I'm never working with you, you're ungrateful, right the things that you, you that sometimes you get from somebody and, dude, it was the exact opposite. He goes, he starts laughing like chuckling. He goes, man. It took you so much longer to say this than I thought I thought a year ago, you would have told me you were going to start flipping.
Jessie Rodriguez:Right Like he was waiting for me to come out of my shell and um, and so he's like he comps it for me, right, big brothers? He's like that's a great deal, you've got to buy that deal. He's like, how are you going to get the money for it? And I said, I don't know, but I'll figure it out. He's like I'll give you the money, you know. He's like I'll be your lender on the deal so you can do the like like still being there for me, dude. It's like I get tears in my eyes like thinking about it right now, cause without him I wouldn't be here, you know.
Tyler Deveraux:And um, I didn't go into hundreds, man, like it was, like I did three and I still sold him a hundred.
Jessie Rodriguez:Like, and then I did 10 the next year and still sold him 70. Right, and then it just got to the point where business slowed down in the foreclosure market, cause you know, that market started to level out in 2013, 14, 15. And so I had less inventory, so I had to replace my income and I said less sales for the banks, more flips, like. That's like, how do I figure that out? Right, how do I pivot, how do I stay fluid? And that's then here I am. You know, 30, 40 flips a year. Richard, my mentor this is, I think, a great story for everybody is still my mentor. I talked to him every single day and it usually goes like Jesse, when are you going to buy a flip? I need to lend my money.
Tyler Deveraux:I love it. But, dude, you're somebody that I would. You're somebody that I would. I don't. I don't blame him. You're somebody that I would invest with, but you're somebody that I would invest with and I don't even know like the deal, the returns, but I know, like you, just the story alone. You like have the stick-to-itiveness and you you're gonna figure shit out, and that's why it was so easy for him, because you do things that other people aren't willing to do. Like you said, I got the experience, or I I benefited. I got the experience from the flip, but I didn't benefit from it because it wasn't your flip. That first one right. Most people aren't willing to do that. Most people aren't willing to put in that any work or any time without this guaranteed return.
Jessie Rodriguez:They're not willing to. I'm sure you get those Instagram messages all the time and it's like, hey, can you teach me how to flip? Can I walk?
Tyler Deveraux:your flip.
Jessie Rodriguez:I'm like well, man, you got to bring something to the table here, bud. I'm like shoot, let me pay your mortgage too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tyler Deveraux:But, bro, that's exactly it. We live in this world where people are all about them, whatever they can get, whatever they can get. But that's why I think it's so easy to separate yourself in this world, cause if you literally just have this provide value gratitude type mentality, this long-term bigger thinking mentality, bro, that alone will separate you Period.
Jessie Rodriguez:Thank you, man. Thank you, yeah, it's a you know and that's not innate like I think it was, just you know. You just learn it through business, you learn it through life, you learn it by you know. I do have a little bit of a mantra. It's like just do the right thing, you know. Um, I love that. I really appreciate the compliment that you said about that. You would invest in me without even knowing the terms and you know, like, like there is something that I will lose all my money before I lose you like.
Jessie Rodriguez:I like I mean relationships, reputation. I feel like I play like a slow game, like a long game. The problem is, tyler, this fucking game is going too long. Started at 20 and I'm like, all right, I probably should start doing multi. I'm like after I do one flip, then I do 10 flips.
Jessie Rodriguez:Okay, after I buy a duplex, I buy a four-plex, like I definitely you know, aren't you? Where I'm like let's go to 400, right, like that's next level, figure it out. But I'm getting there, like I'm definitely at that point where you know, like I have 15 million out right now in either my cash or debt, right, that I'm personally guaranteed. And there's something about this piece that I feel of 15 million out over 25 properties versus 15 million out for one. You know 50 unit or 80 unit or whatever that equates to here in Southern California, like like that, that spread out, like I could, you know something could go wrong on these two. But these ones balanced me Like I haven't got that, that point yet where I'm like just going to man up and just go fuck it 15 million, I'm buying the 70 unit. I don't know how to underwrite it. I don't know if the fucking cap rate's good, but I will fucking figure it out. I'm not there yet.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah.
Tyler Deveraux:Well, dude, but you. But here's the thing the minute that you decide to, you will be because you know that you don't have to dump everything in there. First, there's other ways around that, and then, second, off, bro, it's all about what's gonna, what's gonna get you to where you're going? And, dude, you're a beast, bro, like you. We didn't even mention this, but on hgtv, you guys have done what was like two seasons, 23 something episodes, if that's correct.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, yeah, it's like going hgt like the progression. I stopped the story right, but then eventually we got a tv show and and and that like branding and recognition and opportunity and you know um I I.
Jessie Rodriguez:One thing that's important hold on I always say this because it pisses me off when people go oh you flip a lot because you had a show. No, I got a show because I flipped a lot. That one's always important to me because it's like I don't like if someone minimizes my hard work, like show came because I had credibility, the show didn't come in a fake moment and then create credibility. So that's it, that's my one.
Tyler Deveraux:But it's so important for people to know because, like you said, the lies we tell ourselves. And listen. I was probably the worst at that. I didn't know anybody who owned department buildings. I'd say it was same as you like I real estate was not even remotely. If you were to ask me growing up, I would say I'd be a real estate investor, I'd own any. Really it wouldn't even have been on the realm, bro, especially in department building, like not even on the realm of possibility. But I surround myself with people that all of a sudden enhance my belief and then I put in the fricking work and things changed. But in that moment when I'm trying to put in the work, I'm discrediting everybody who's already put in the work, because they have something I don't have and I think they have to have known somebody or known something or had some secret. In reality they just grinded, they put in the freaking work earlier than I did. That's it.
Jessie Rodriguez:Period that's did, that's it. Period that's right. And the stuff we tell ourselves like well, it was easier to buy apartments in the nineties, it was cheaper, that's why that guy's got 3000 and I got 10, right, Like you know. And then you realize, no, it was hard as hell in the nineties too right. Interest rates were crazy. Nobody was lending. Like you know, you had to get creative with financing. Find sellers that carry uh. Like you know, you had to get creative with financing. Find sellers that carry uh.
Tyler Deveraux:Rents were like a hundred dollars in the nineties Like like you know, howard, how was something cash flowing when it was like a hundred, I mean?
Jessie Rodriguez:I remember buying rentals in 2010, nine, no, 10, 11, and 12. And like eventually selling them, cause I was like, dude, these one bedrooms are 700 bucks, like I barely am cash flowing. Then I sell them. This market, you know, just juices up in 15, 2018. And now one bedrooms in California are 2,200. And I'm going I would have held onto those, like my cashflow would have been like four G's a month, like just some crazy number, right, and so that's the thing.
Jessie Rodriguez:It's like you've got to give it up to the person that did it before us, because they were working with, you know, with, with, with um, with issues that we may not have. Our issues are different than their work, so it was just as hard for them as it is for us today, but we can all 100%. Is there somebody that's buying more than me, buying more than you? Right, like, those are the ones we look up to.
Tyler Deveraux:Yeah bro, there's your mentality. Mentality, and that's why this is what I'm saying. It's like there's always challenges. There's all those challenges, no matter what level, no matter where you're at, no matter what time zone, no matter, it doesn't matter, there's challenges. But it's like do you believe in your ability or do you believe in the solution more than the problem? Most people just refuse to believe that there are solutions and that they only have problems oh, totally, that's it, yeah, yeah.
Tyler Deveraux:So what's like? So right now, scaling, growing TV show, all this, you know, extra notoriety, attention, right. Does that build more pressure to you? Do you feel more pressure now or when you were, when you just lost your home and you know, you said like you said you told your wife that you were a loser.
Jessie Rodriguez:You know, the only pressure I feel now is to make sure I don't lose it all again, right, um, no, you know what dude it's? Uh, things are pretty good right now. Like I mean it. You know, we, I have my ups and downs every couple of years. You know, covid was really hard, um, you know, personally, on the family, on the mental health, things like that, um, but like at this moment, at 41 years old, turning 42 in a couple months, um, I'm I have three boys, uh, 12, 10 and seven, and I am uberly engaged in their lives, right, like I coach them in baseball, and that's kind of become the priority.
Jessie Rodriguez:And you know it's funny, my mentor, richard, my mentor Richard, told me that too. He was, you know, when I was 25 and you know I had my first son, or 28,. Um, he was, like, you know, some work hard now, cause you're going to want to slow down a little bit during these key years and then you'll have a moment to really grind again and and it's like I've really taken that in with my kids, so like I'm in that super cool moment right now for a couple of years. Um, but then what happens is then I realized I kind of took my foot off the gas pedal for a minute or like, like it's, I'm still on it, but not, you know, I'm not full throttle, and that fires me up again, like when I, you know, when I'm chilling and I'm over here, the all-star coach, and for six weeks I don't think about anything except my lineup, my practice, right, like I mean nothing. My, my employees will not see me for six weeks, june 1st until July 10th.
Jessie Rodriguez:And then I start looking around on Instagram. Right, I'm watching you and I'm going fucking. Tyler just bought these units, oh shit.
Tyler Deveraux:Oh, I'm falling behind, I'm falling behind, and then I get fired up, dude.
Jessie Rodriguez:And then I just go, so then I'll go that hard to make up for those two months and it's like some people call it peaks and valleys, like I love the peaks and valleys right, like there's more fun climbing the mountain than walking down the mountain and I love when it's time to fucking run up the mountain, you know.
Tyler Deveraux:So, bro, I don't know if your energy no, you definitely did. You had me wanting to run through a brick wall, bro, like your energy is incredible, but it is is. I love how you said it, because you lean in different directions, right? You lean sometimes. Sometimes people just go like full field nonstop and that's great. They will achieve amazing things, but I don't know if they'll achieve fulfillment. I don't know. I just don't know. It's not my job to you know, determine that. Yeah, I think we achieve fulfillment by growing and giving, and so they're definitely growing in that stage. But it's like I'm very similar to you, which I would just tell you that I believe there's seasons in our life, man, and one of those for me. One of those seasons in 2019,.
Tyler Deveraux:I had worked and grinded to get myself to a point where we were going to move to Maui. We're going to live there, for we're just going to live there for a year, unobstructed time with kids. No, no, that's it. And so I moved there and that's exactly what you just said. It was like my only day. The only part of my day was like okay, what beach we're gonna go to today. What hike are we gonna do today? That's it and it was amazing. But then, all of a sudden, you start looking and you're like man towards the end of 2019. It's like dude. No, it is time to put I'm hungry, dude, I am freaking hungry. But that's what's powerful, right? Like? Sometimes you take those you enjoy life, you pour into kids, family, whatever passions, and then you go full tilt Again. The problem is, I believe people pour into that before they're in a position to pour into it most of the time, A hundred percent.
Jessie Rodriguez:I mean the grind years need to double the relaxing years and maybe four times, and but I you know I love what you said about taking that year off, cause there's something about when you're um, you know a high driver like I am and you are, that we never.
Jessie Rodriguez:It's not a natural feeling to want to slow down, you know, or relax. But I'll tell you, when COVID hit, um, and those were great years financially, um, you know, and they were great years for me emotionally actually, like where my wife struggled a little bit more because you know the, you know she didn't get the break as much because the kids were at, were home all the time. I the greatest thing that ever happened to me was COVID, because I'm a I'm such a social person and high energy that I will burn the candle on both sides and the world, kind of saying, like you can't go to the office, you know, like it was a great excuse for me to be like, hey, everybody, it's not me, it's the CDC, everybody needs to work from home. And it's like I slowed down mentally. So the clarity time was insane, like I think that I need to go high, high pace at all times, to constantly be doing.
Jessie Rodriguez:And those years were like I slowed down my brain, my clarity, my vision was so clear that I doubled my business Right, I slowed down my flip volume and doubled my profit. Like it was. You could have. You could have said you'll give me a million dollars. If I would have believed that to be true. And I would have never believed it and I was forced to do it, man, I mean, and I cleaned up the stuff so much because when you're going fast, you have inefficiencies right, you're leaning left and right, and the way to solve that problem is make more money, right, instead of saying no, cut everything back, clean it up.
Jessie Rodriguez:Right, micromanage a little bit more and my profits went through the roof. And now I've been running that now since COVID. That's not changed. Now I'm doubling my business again in the amount of volume, which hopefully my income doubles. We'll find out if that happens or not, and so, like that, that was cool. So, like the fact that you took a year off, I can only imagine the thoughts and the ideas that were created from that. I'm jealous. I'm jealous right now, Like that is amazing.
Tyler Deveraux:Thanks, bro. I'm very grateful for it. It set me up for an amazing 2020, bro, it did, and what you just said is so. First of all, I just want to backtrack, because what you said is actually it's literally the theme of your life. Doesn't matter what's happening, you're going to find a way to improve through it. That's owning the outcome. Like you can't control the outcome, but you can own any outcome. You own any outcome by literally focusing on the controllables that you can control. It's like, hey, maybe your deal volume goes down, but your efficiency goes up, so your profits go up. Like you're just you're not somebody who's just going to sit back and just play victim to whatever the situation is. Now, you're going to create the circumstance. It's just like think about all the things that you've said. That's literally a common theme throughout. I just want to make sure people don't miss that. No matter what it is, your mind's geared in that direction. You know, powerful, powerful.
Jessie Rodriguez:Thank you for telling me, because I don't know when you're in it you have. No, I don't know how I'm programmed, I'm just programmed like it's like yeah, yeah, dude, that's you know.
Tyler Deveraux:It's funny because I had. I look at 2020, I feel very similar to you, bro. I just believe that, well, I've worked harder since 2020 than probably that I had any other years before, and I didn't work hard the years before as well. 2019, you know, was that it was a pretty cushy year, but same time thing, I kind of just felt complacency, like pretty soon into it I'm like, okay, what's not, dude, what's next, man like what's next. And so when there was disruption in 2020, I'd been waiting for disruption in the market since I started, because I started in the in the multifamily space in 2015, 2014, no, 2015. So it's like I've been waiting for disruption. Then disruption happened. It's like gas pedal down. We doubled the portfolio, double it again the next year. It's like that's powerful, though right, because we set ourselves up for a position. So, whatever, it is the narrative that you tell yourself in that situation, how am I going to benefit from it?
Tyler Deveraux:yeah what it is right. Yeah, love it. So what's next for you, man? Like you've achieved so much, you've been doing it for so long, what's what's next? Actually, can I say one thing before I ask, because I forgot to mention this. I apologize, but I want to go back to your mentor real quick. Then I'm going to ask you that question, but I I've been meaning to say this and I forgot to say it. Where you were nervous to talk to your mentor what's his name? Again, richard, richard. You're nervous to talk to Richard because you were wondering what he would say. Right, and once you get to that, what you realize, what you realize and what you know now because you are there, is once you're there. It's not about competition, it's collaboration. Not about competition. It's collaboration. And one of the most powerful, literally fulfillment type based things in the world is seeing somebody that you taught go and do what you taught them.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, it's like being a dad, right, it's like raising a child and and or parent being a parent raising a child and then seeing them succeed beyond you.
Jessie Rodriguez:It's like that's that's the goal as a parent, and at least it is for me and and in the case of Richard it's the same case. Like he, he, you know he's been there for me as a mentor. He's been there for me financially. You know, there's moments, even as a, you know, as a flipper, it's not like I flip houses and have too many. You know I have 14 I own today.
Jessie Rodriguez:And it's like, you know, you look at the bank account and you're going I don't want to stop these rehabs but I'm going to run out of cashflow. You know, and being able to call him and one talk to him about it, to to have him, you know, explain to me. Like you know, you know whatever, like his thoughts. Sometimes he tells me I need to slow down, you need to sell some stuff I need to offload. Other times he says here's a million bucks, um to to you know, that I can use for rehab so that I don't slow the machine down.
Jessie Rodriguez:Cause you slow the machine down sometimes and that's how you get in trouble, because the debt, the interest payments, those start to accrue at a larger pace than than what the profits could be. And then you know you spend six months and you go. Man, that wasn't even worth it, you know, and those moments happened to me in the last 10 years. It's happened, right. There's been cycles of like why am I flipping? Oh my God, like you know, like I'm broke, I'm borrowing a barn against Reynolds, I'm doing this, you know. Then everything sells. You're like I'm a genius.
Tyler Deveraux:It's so true, I can relate to that so much. But the men I mean I, you know, dude.
Jessie Rodriguez:I don't think I could have done it without a mentor. I like, you know, like the confidence that I have is because of him. You know, like, and you know it's funny Like I'm a crotchety old man now, just like him, Like I remember every deal I've ever sent him. He tells me no, and after years of me like now our relationship is so different, right, when I can just talk crap to him back and I'm like what the fuck do you always tell me no, you've never lost money on one deal with me in 10 years.
Jessie Rodriguez:Blah, blah, blah. He says he goes. It's not my job to tell you yes. It's your job to tell me why. It's a yes. He's like say that again. Say that again. You can't talk me into the deal, you don't believe in the deal and I don't want to invest in a deal I had a mic drop, you know because, dude, and that hit me and I was like, oh, and you know what?
Jessie Rodriguez:I find? That there there was times I would send an address and I'm going. I hope he says yes, because I'm not really sure. Right, and it's like why am I wasting his time? Why was I wasting mine, why was I willing to? And so brings me a deal. I'm like well, why show me your comps? Why do you believe? Like tell me you know that neighborhood better than I do and tell me why I should risk, you know, half a million bucks to to invest in this deal. Right Cause, at the end of the day, it's my, my decision to say yes or no. It's going to be my risk or my reward.
Tyler Deveraux:It's not going to be your fault. It'll be my fault if I lose, lose money on a deal because I let you talk me into it and I didn't question you correctly or I didn't verify it correctly. Bro, yes, that is not just in real estate and flipping deals or apartment deals or raising money. That is in life, bro, whatever you're starting, whatever you're about to do, and people are questioning you they're questioning you because, if you don't know it, you're only going to transfer what you truly believe, believe vibrates at the highest frequency. You can't transfer something you don't believe, at least really transfer it. You can't. You, long term, you can't.
Tyler Deveraux:So what's going to happen is if, if they don't feel it, people are telling you no, they don't want to invest your deals, or know that they don't want. You know they don't believe that you can do whatever business you're pursuing, well, it's because you don't believe in it. Now, if you do like, that's why I said five minutes in, I'm like I would invest in your deals because you believe it, you, whatever you believe it, you transfer that belief, man. And you said it's because your confidence, your confidence, came from doing small things that lead to big belief. So, like, how do you? So? There's my question in the beginning, when your is low and you're trying to transfer a belief right to somebody else that's going to partner with you or believe in you, or whatever it is, how do you do that? What were the things that you did to help enhance your belief in the beginning years?
Jessie Rodriguez:I think it was like trying to stack little wins. You know it was setting a small goal. Like you know, buy my first rental. You know rental and doing it in a way that felt very affordable. I think in the 2007 to 2010 year Southern California real estate you could buy stuff for 50 grand. People in America do not realize that because you think it's California. Well, we have outskirt cities and I bought my first rental for 50,000. I paid cash for it after saving money after the crash and rented it for 800 bucks and I'm like to me, that was like that's a win. Oh my God, I did it Right. So that that led to buying the duplex and it was like, okay, I didn't fuck that up, I'm making money right to the fourplex and it's like you know, to then owning 10 and then owning 20. And so it was like for me the way I had to do it right and I know, a lot of people that went from zero to 100.
Jessie Rodriguez:Because their confidence made was beyond mine. I was I'm a guy that I really needed to do it in seven steps. I needed to climb the staircase one step at a time, because I wanted to look you in the face and tell you that I've done it. I didn't want, like I don't want to say I don't respect the people that didn't do it this way, cause I cause I do, but like I'm not I don't know how to put it on paper the performer to then raise the 20 million from you on speculation. Like I'm a guy that's like, okay, if I want to go start developing, cause that's my next move, I'm going to use my money. I'm going to do proof of concept on my own before I go to you and tell you I have a great idea, raise a bunch of money and then fuck it up on your money or not give you the return that was promised. Like I can't control the market and I will never apologize for the market if you don't make the return that was promised. But I will not be able to sleep for months If it was because I didn't pay attention, I didn't run my numbers right.
Jessie Rodriguez:I didn't really know what I was doing. I didn't run my numbers right. I didn't really know what I was doing and that is how I got to this point. Right Was one step at a time, making sure that I earned it before I ever brought somebody in.
Tyler Deveraux:That what you just said, that people need to go back and rewind and re-listen, because the market happens, the market like. There are things that happen in the market. Any investment is a risk. But what you said is critical, which is but as long as I've done my stuff, like, but if I didn't do my stuff, if I got complacent, if I didn't pay attention, if I didn't, well, shit that is. I mean, that is on me, dude, that's like my job. I won't be able to sleep.
Jessie Rodriguez:But as long as we do everything that we can, every outcome is the necessary outcome period, every outcome I got like, if I get my fiduciary duty, then I know I can face you, I can face a boardroom, an investor group and and fight tooth and nail to say I didn't fuck this up. You know what?
Jessie Rodriguez:I mean that that part's important to me. Um, but that belief only comes with me doing, and I felt that I needed to do it one step at a time, through small increments, right. And now, at this point, like at 41, I'm willing to like, I feel like my like. I can tell you that I've done a little bit of everything that I feel that I can jump in. You know we're I've got a good friend that does adaptive reuse of historic buildings and converts them into food halls and, you know, live work loft.
Jessie Rodriguez:So it's like I'm now dabbling into that space with him right, which is completely out of my realm, but he's a specialist in it and I'm a specialist, you know, in so much other stuff. Like, it blows my mind when I talk to another friend of mine builds industrial units. I was talking to him yesterday. We had a two hour conversation and I'm telling him what I'm doing with little houses. I'm a little flipper, right, that's how I think of myself and his mind is blown at the way I'm turning the capital, my rate of return and what I'm doing and I'm thinking to myself this guy owns like 7 million square feet of industrial and he wants to know about what I do, right and all.
Jessie Rodriguez:I want to do is know what he does Right, and it's like this thing that I think we also need to realize that what we're doing is probably pretty damn good to somebody.
Tyler Deveraux:Right there's going to be another guy that.
Jessie Rodriguez:but but my buddy thought it was so cool. My buddy wants to invest with me. He wants you know. So then that's when I tell him, like what my next phase is? You asked earlier, like what my next phase is. You asked earlier, like what's the next thing? It's I've always wanted to be a developer. I've always wanted to be a real estate developer. I don't know why I can't tell you a good reason. Maybe it's the ego side of it, like I want to drive my kids someday and go. I built that, your dad.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, totally, I think that matters to me right, being like a first generation American and and I think that's like a nod to my dad, cause he, you know, he owns a couple of commercial properties that he's kind of grinded and built in, which I think is super amazing, and it's like I would love to drive by and be like Lenard didn't build that. Jessie Rodriguez development built that right or whatever it's called Cause I do think you got to have a little ego in real estate to succeed.
Jessie Rodriguez:You know you gotta have a little ego on real estate to succeed, you know you gotta, you can be as humble as you want, but you also, you know you also have to have some cockiness in there.
Jessie Rodriguez:So, but man. So, yeah, I'm trying to figure out how to do it. Yeah, I like. Like you know, there's so many great investor friendly laws that the state of California has passed with you know accessory, you know ADUs right Like so, I dabbled into accessory dwelling units and have been building those for since 2016, since the law came out you know.
Tyler Deveraux:So that was my first. What is that? I don't even know if I know what that is?
Jessie Rodriguez:I can't tell you, because then you're going to compete with me you know I mean collaboration to a certain point, Tyler.
Jessie Rodriguez:Come on mentor me, bro Dude, accessory Okay, the state of California passed a law that said single family zoning essentially doesn't exist anymore. You can add up to two units on every single lot. So in California we're traditionally, you know, you're having to buy stuff at a three cap, three and a half cap, right, it just doesn't make sense typically unless you have a large, large sum of money or it's investor money. You can now buy a single family. I can convert the garage into an apartment legally. I can splice off a piece of the main house and convert that to an apartment.
Jessie Rodriguez:So think about every single family is a triplex now, but you're buying it at a single family price and you're doing the value add, you're forcing that equity play. So I mean, once I take a property in LA and I go to three units with it, I mean I'm, I'm, I'm pulling like 11% return, right, like it's an 11 count, like it is the value increase. That happens, it's insane. So I've been doing that for years, right. And then now California, they just every year seem to be, you know, coming out with new laws SB8, sb9, where you can subdivide lots. You can do duplexes and actually subdivide them and flip one. Um, you can go in and we have a high density. That's happening in a lot of locations, um, you know, so like, let's say something was zoned r1.5 where historically here in california you could only put three to four units. Well, now they have these overlays where you could go to maybe 10 or 12.
Jessie Rodriguez:Like I'm talking a 7,500 square foot lot surrounded by houses, and you can put an apartment building. So is that the nicest looking thing with a bunch of single families? Probably not, but we have a housing shortage and crisis, so the state of California is allowing the small guy to get in the game. Is how I see it, right? I'm not. I've never done a syndication. Is how I see it Right? Um, I'm not, I've never done a syndication, so I, you know, so one. I don't know how to do them too.
Jessie Rodriguez:I can go buy a house for a million bucks. Now go put some, get some construction financing for three and a half million dollars and go build 10 units, and it would be worth seven, and I'm all in that. You know four and a half or so, um, and that to me, is like I'm like shit. This is my opportunity. Like maybe I will be the guy that owns 110 units throughout southern california, san diego and la, bootstrapped on my own back and owning 100 of it like I like, I kind of like that, like as much as I wouldn't mind being in a syndication, um, but it's like I definitely want to be, you know, the general partner on it.
Tyler Deveraux:It's, it's gonna be me that's doing you know bro, how many people have told you that you can't, man, I can't invest in cali, that you shouldn't invest in cali? This is once again a nod to your mentality, a nod to your mindset. It's because where others see obstacles, you just see opportunities. You're like man california's passing these laws. Everybody else is like man californ, california's passing this law. That keeps me out that I can't do it. And you're like man they just passed this law that allows me to get to this Like, let's fucking go.
Tyler Deveraux:You know it's your mentality bro.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, I'm stoked. California is. I think it's crazy when people say they're going to go out of state. Like it's not crazy Actually it's not crazy?
Tyler Deveraux:Actually, it's not crazy.
Jessie Rodriguez:That's an insult to people. That's kind of where some people need to start. That's when people maybe feel comfortable. But I like that I can develop or flip in the one of the highest price points that have the highest increase of equity, that has really high rents. Right In a place where you know most of America would love to move to at some point. Right, there's just and there's a housing shortage here. Like how do you, how do you go wrong when we're 10,000 homes less than we need to have? Right, like I don't foresee rents going down.
Jessie Rodriguez:Like I you know, and it could right, there's going to be moments where this market could crash and it's going to drop for a year, two years, three years. But so what, hold it and you'll survive it. Yeah, you're in it for the long run. Yeah, I just think it's. I think the opportunity in California is very good. You know what's the downside Rent control, a legislative system that can maybe impose new laws that benefit renters more than landlords. But yeah, I'll tell you, I think it's worth taking that chance to have California real estate.
Tyler Deveraux:Yeah, you know, what I love is. You know we talk about seasons and remember I think this might have been where I first Rich Summers you're on Rich Summers podcast, yeah spoke at our event though we do a big event. He just came out and spoke about boutique hotels and I saw you on there and one of the things that I loved that you said that stuck out is you said I don't you know something along the lines of like you feel like you're just getting started. You know, like you feel like you're just you're 41 by the term 42, but you're just getting started, or whatever. And why do you feel like that? I guess, let me, let me ask that question first why do you feel like you're just getting started?
Jessie Rodriguez:You know, I feel more, I feel re-energized, like I feel I feel I feel like the last 15 years of of um, of like learning real estate, like how to sell real estate, how to, how to then invest in real estate, you know, in flipping and then building ADUs, like I'm definitely not going to try to insult a doctor right now, but you know, a doctor goes to school for like 14 or 15 years you know, before like to like, if you want to be a surgeon, right, it's four years of undergrad, four years of medical school, you know, three, four years of residency and then two years of specialty, so it ends up being 12, 13, 14 years, specialty so it ends up being 12, 13, 14 years.
Jessie Rodriguez:And I know this because my best friend's an orthopedic surgeon and it's like he didn't start his career to like 36 and so you know, and he's 46 now and he's super successful and it's like I feel like well, at 41, fuck, I'm still young, and I just did, I'm a doctor now. I've done 15 years of education, like that's how I see that. Like no one's gonna be able to tell me that I can't do or I'm not qualified to do, and that was important to me. So it's like I now am a doctor of real estate, I am the orthopedic surgeon of real estate, right, or you know, and and so like that. That hit me about a year ago and I said, oh fuck, I will do in the next eight years by the time I turned 50, 10 times what I did in the last 15 years. I think that that's what I mean by I'm just getting started, like the, the multiplication. I think of the assets that I'm going to accumulate and the flips I'm going to do. I mean, man, I'm having meetings now with my team of, like, I don't want to flip 30 anymore, I want to flip 150 a year.
Jessie Rodriguez:What do we have to do to get there? You know, is it what? Do we need more capital? Okay, I'll find capital. We need more construction crews. I'll find more construction, right, like it's like, what are the pieces we need to make this happen? We need more acquisitions. Let's go talk to wholesalers, let's figure out this model so that we can do that. And then, at the same time, it's like how many can we keep? How many of these can I burr? You know, can I get to 50 burrs a year? Like 50 units in a 12 month period that I'm getting to keep? You know, and you know, and it's like okay, a bunch of four plexes, or can I go straight into five, 10 unit developments?
Jessie Rodriguez:You know, like so it's just like mind's blown as to what I want. My dreams are bigger. You know, so much of that's tied to my kids. You know my son's 12 um, I want to have a company that they jump into. You know I like, like, I want to hand off to my son. You know, when he's 30 years old and he's coming out of you know undergrad and his mba, because that's fucking requirement to me is higher education. I will not. That is not. That's a non-negotiable in my family. Um, yeah, and then he comes in. This is the goal for my kids undergrad, mba, work at like a hedge fund or private equity for two, three years. So like, learn a little bit more than dad knows.
Jessie Rodriguez:And you're 30, 32 years old and you come in the company and you take thousand, 2000 doors that we have and you make it 50,000, you know. Yes, that is the goal now. I hope that they do that they actually wanted. We'll see in 10 years. I'll tell you tyler didn't work out, but you know, I uh hey.
Tyler Deveraux:But you give them the option. You're building something, a platform, a freaking vehicle that gives them the option like how sick is that? How sick to even have the option?
Jessie Rodriguez:you know, like damn that's because bigger motivator, right It'd be. You know, they always say make the Y bigger than you, you know, and then the Y has always been my wife. And then you have the kids and you're, you know, and it's a superficial, I think, answer, my wife and kids, it's my family. It one day it hit and it was like, oh, it is my family, but it's the legacy of my family, it's my sons, it's my grandkids, it's my great grandkids and that's come from me having friends that are multi-generational in a family business and seeing the success and seeing. You know, grandpa started it, my age group, and he's like he, you know, taking it public, he's gonna sell it right to a private actor. And it's like, damn, you, just you didn't come in with like nepotism and just kind of ride the coattails. You took it and said I'm gonna make it bigger and that, you know, that pumped me up yeah, that is the key.
Tyler Deveraux:You probably you're. You're desperate, you know that you're dead. Your parents have to be so damn proud and, coming over from Cuba, all that they went through to get here, and that you took that and ran with it, dude, and everything that you're doing to now set up your kid, it's just like you know the absolute massive progress, like dude, it's just, it's incredible. I have to be so proud. Are they still around?
Jessie Rodriguez:They're still around. Yeah, my mom and dad. They come over. They spend the night at our house, probably every other weekend. They'll be here on Friday in two days. My dad has a doctor's appointment with my best friend who's an orthopedic surgeon. My dad's shoulder hurts so I'm taking my dad to the appointment.
Tyler Deveraux:You know like and he's a pain in the ass. I'm not going to lie.
Jessie Rodriguez:So everybody hears that shit too. He is a hardcore man Like you know, is he proud of me. Does he tell me no?
Tyler Deveraux:no, yeah, no, it's no, it's different times, dude. You'll tell your kids I can already tell because of who you are but it's different times, dude. No old school, no way.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, but you know what? Maybe that drives me a little bit too. I'm like when, when is the day you're going to go? Like, oh shit. But what's funny is I hear it from other people. They go oh man, your dad, god, he tells everybody like what you've done and how big it is and how they, you know, and I'm like last week, you know.
Tyler Deveraux:Yeah, bro, that's what that's it. That's what it's all about. Man Is making that last generation proud and setting up, you know, the future generation. That's at. You know the future generation. That's what it's about, bro. It's awesome. So, and listen, your ability, you know, just so everybody knows on here. First off, we'll put all everywhere where people can connect with you, but I just want people to get an understanding of who you are, because when I started, I and I asked everyone this when I started podcasts, to say, hey, man, what are you, what are you pushing, what are you promoting, what are you working on, what can I do for you? And you're just like, oh man, I just want to make sure that when people finish this one more investor, they go invest more, they go do more. That's it, yeah that's who you are bro.
Tyler Deveraux:I just want people to hear that, because once again started saying that every so many people just have this, like they have an agenda. They have just this, this agenda, and you're a j you're and you have an agenda. Your agenda isn't to enhance belief. Amazing agenda.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, man, I hope there, I hope, from this call, the next Jessie Rodriguez is created. Like that, that would be cool, you know, and like that, that, that would that's a pretty. I I'm very grateful for what's happened to me and I hope more people. You know why I do bigger pockets all the time and stuff, and yeah, you know, and I've met a lot of cool people, you know. Like you know, I've met other high level flippers I'm meeting you now and you know, and Rich Summers and and James Daynard on bigger pockets, and you know David Green, and it's like I know that this is going to bring opportunity someday as well. Right, like where you know there could be a multifamily deal that I stumble upon, that I don't know what to do and I call you because I know you know how to underwrite it and then I get to be a part of the deal through you, like you know, like and so that.
Jessie Rodriguez:that, that's the cap, that's collaboration, that's the definition right there.
Tyler Deveraux:If you share relationship capital.
Jessie Rodriguez:Yeah, oh, I like that. I've never heard of that relationship capital.
Tyler Deveraux:Yeah, that's it, though, but that's how you start to scale and grow at the bigger stages, and that's exactly what you share. It'll come back to you, dude, a hundredfold.
Jessie Rodriguez:I mean it just does.
Tyler Deveraux:It's a universal law. I don't give hoping that it does, I give knowing that it will. Like it's just a fact that it will Some way, indirectly or directly it's going to steal that. Take your run. I want to be respecting your time. Do you have any last bit of advice? So just a new, a new investor out there. They're doubting their journey, just like you were doubting your journey, and maybe maybe they don't have a Tina in their corner to be like. I got this.
Jessie Rodriguez:What would you say to that person? You know what? You got me in your corner there. If you don't have, if you don't have Tina in your corner, you hit me up on a DM and I'll tell you rock, you know. Um, I think mentorship is huge. I think you know, uh, it's harder and harder to find free mentorship. I think, you know, when you look back at my relationship with Richard, it wasn't free, you know, he didn't just. I mean, I found him deals, he made money and in return, I, you know he taught me. So I think people need to understand that. You know they need to invest in themselves. Um, one, you know, and it doesn't need to be necessarily money, right, YouTube's got millions of hours of your podcast and other people and people that actually have step A to Z type stuff. So it's like getting in there, watching that, learning from that. Stepping into conferences you know a lot of my business came from going to real estate investment conferences. You know I'm a member of the american association of private lenders.
Jessie Rodriguez:I don't lend money, you know but I go to that down conference and I meet people that do lend money and then I get more like. So it's. It's like, if you're new and you want to do this, then figure it the hell out. Do not tell yourself you don't deserve it. Don't let anyone else tell you you don't deserve it doesn't mean you're not going to fail. It doesn't mean you're not going to get down because you will. Let's get yourself back up, doesn't it? You know, will you do it in one year? Will you do it in 20 years? It doesn't fucking matter, as long as it gets done. Um, so I think that's the thing, and I know that's hard for some people. I think maybe I'm a little lucky that I. You know, I see the glass half full, I think 90 percent of the time. The only person that hears me complains my wife.
Jessie Rodriguez:She, she, she she bears the burden of damn Jessie's negative. But that's it, though. You gotta have someone to lean on, man, and it's like you know, if you don't, if you don't have someone to lean on man, and it's like you know, if you don't, if you don't have someone to lean on, you can find some that that's, there's enough. There's there's two people that don't have someone to lean on. And guess what? Now you're, now you can help each other.
Tyler Deveraux:That's it that we can do. Yes, gosh, I love that answer. That was a great answer, man, that's it. You'll find somebody and You're investing your time and YouTube going through that. There's so much out there. That's it. That's investing in yourself, that's actually putting the time in there instead of just scrolling on Facebook or whatever you know intentional. So, hey, thank you so much for doing the knowledge, the wisdom and also, bro, thank you for putting in the work I literally putting in the work to own the outcome so you can share these. You can share like it's beautiful. So I appreciate you. I'll make sure that all your links and everything below the people can reach out. Go ahead thank you.
Jessie Rodriguez:I really, really appreciate. This is a pleasure. It was great getting to know you and your audience here soon and and I'll be in maui in uh june, so I will come see you hey, hit me up, bro people actually that's what's fun about living out there.
Tyler Deveraux:People actually come out there all the time.
Jessie Rodriguez:Hit me up for sure, we will be there. We'll be in Waialea, so I'll be at the Four Seasons. I will come see you.
Tyler Deveraux:That's where I live, bro. That's where I live, right in Waialea.
Jessie Rodriguez:I love it. Oh are you in?
Tyler Deveraux:Waialea Love it. Hey, everybody else out there, live always with Loha. Oh and damn it. Go share this episode. For hell's sakes. Go follow Jessie and everything that he's doing and live always with Loha Peace.