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Saddle up for a wild ride through the vineyards and into the social justice system with us, Ian King, the Wine Wonder Boy, and Jazzy. We're not just sipping on a sumptuous Rhone white blend from Upside Down Wines; we're also uncorking the quirky story behind our 'Bung Pod' moniker and diving headfirst into a gripping tale of a Fast and Furious-worthy wine heist that's as audacious as it is true. You'll swirl, sniff, and savor the complexities of this episode just as we do with our featured wine, whose rich flavors whisper of the secrets of malolactic fermentation.
Then, as the bouquet settles, we take you through the lush rows of Tablas Creek's biodynamic vineyards, exploring the sustainable revolution that's reshaping the wine industry. But our journey doesn't end there. We pivot to a topic that's as robust as a well-aged Cabernet: Norway's humane correctional system. By contrasting it with the American prison model, we uncork a discussion on societal impacts and the resilience of the human spirit, all while sharing a remarkable anecdote about an inmate whose dedication to the mental game of golf tees up a conversation on transformation and hope. Join us for an episode that's as layered and complex as the subjects we're toasting to.
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Saddle up for a wild ride through the vineyards and into the social justice system with us, Ian King, the Wine Wonder Boy, and Jazzy. We're not just sipping on a sumptuous Rhone white blend from Upside Down Wines; we're also uncorking the quirky story behind our 'Bung Pod' moniker and diving headfirst into a gripping tale of a Fast and Furious-worthy wine heist that's as audacious as it is true. You'll swirl, sniff, and savor the complexities of this episode just as we do with our featured wine, whose rich flavors whisper of the secrets of malolactic fermentation.
Then, as the bouquet settles, we take you through the lush rows of Tablas Creek's biodynamic vineyards, exploring the sustainable revolution that's reshaping the wine industry. But our journey doesn't end there. We pivot to a topic that's as robust as a well-aged Cabernet: Norway's humane correctional system. By contrasting it with the American prison model, we uncork a discussion on societal impacts and the resilience of the human spirit, all while sharing a remarkable anecdote about an inmate whose dedication to the mental game of golf tees up a conversation on transformation and hope. Join us for an episode that's as layered and complex as the subjects we're toasting to.
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Oh, oh right, oh right, oh right. Baby, welcome back to the bung pod. I'm Ian King, your host, aka Wine Wonder Boy, and we got my co-host here, jazzy. Hi guys, so we have a fun episode today. We have our my dog here hanging out and so a few barks. We're gonna have to take a quick break, ad break, and then put them upstairs or something, but Anyways we just let him join, or just let him join in the pod.
Speaker 1:Right now he's chilling being a good boy, yes, but today we have an interesting episode. We're gonna be talking about Some wine news a wine heist.
Speaker 2:Yes, this happened a couple months ago it did.
Speaker 1:It's old news, but I feel like not a lot of people know about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like there wasn't a lot of exposure on it. Yeah, it's really interesting.
Speaker 1:And it's a really interesting. It's a cool story. It's unfortunate, and well, I don't know how unfortunate it is because there wasn't any loss.
Speaker 2:Really, but yes.
Speaker 1:They caught the guys at the end, but it's a wild, wild, fast and furious Story of a wine heist. Yes, it's crazy. It's like Dwayne the Rock, johnson, vin Diesel out there. Exactly taking over semis and shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we also have something else to discuss we do, we do, we do um. So it came to my attention that we might have not Explained our original name of Bung Pod.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, where the name originates from.
Speaker 2:Yes, so our patreon members probably have heard it yeah but For you poor people that haven't supported us that way, I guess we can finally tell you yeah, what it means been a secret. So what is a bone? Ian, would you like to explain what a bong is?
Speaker 1:Of course. Can you open this wine for me?
Speaker 2:real quick.
Speaker 1:Yes, until we get my stance. So a bong where does a bong come from? What is a bong? So we all know what a barrel is a wine barrel. So there is a bong hole and that ooh, look at that pop sounds great. So there's a wine barrel and the hole of the barrel where the wine goes into is called a bong hole, and that is the anatomical name for that. And what you put inside the bong hole is called a bong, and bongs Nowadays are more silicone. I think back in the day they were, there were wood. Some people in France still use wooden bongs, which is really interesting, and so, yeah, that's where bong comes from. It's the bong that goes in the bunghole. Well, I was gonna name the podcast bunghole, just bunghole, but so many things might pop up yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm not sure if I want the, the search engine optimization on bunghole.
Speaker 2:Well and then like pod the podcast. Yeah, I mean so it made sense to have the bung pod.
Speaker 1:We wanted something that was funny. Yes and entertaining for a name.
Speaker 2:Especially when I can bring up bunghole yeah on the numerous times on a podcast, like Sam was on yes like when fire, fire, fire.
Speaker 1:Sam was on, he said I don't think I've ever used the term bunghole Before, but now I'm gonna use it all the time all the time he's, he's gonna find ways to use the word bunghole. Yes, I.
Speaker 2:Will go out of my way to talk about a bunghole now.
Speaker 1:I mean, how could you not that's right?
Speaker 2:Especially after a glass or two.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah. And then you just drive into.
Speaker 2:Oh, but have you listened to the bung pod? Oh, all right so tell me about this wine? What did I just open?
Speaker 1:so this is a rouson. I think so like a second white. We usually drink reds on this podcast, mostly because we've been recording during winter time and that's the time to drink reds for me. So this is a wine. It's from upside down, upside down wines. This is a hundred percent rouson, or sorry, it's a seventy seven percent Vionier, 15 percent Marson and 8 percent rouson, so it is a rhone white blend. It is native ferment and barrel, so it's barrel fermented upside down. Lines is from Seth and Audrey Kitsky and Benton City, washington, and they live in the Red Mountain area Cool so most of the vineyards are there.
Speaker 1:This is they got this from the Yakima Valley and this is from Coniwok vineyard sweet.
Speaker 2:So what we're gonna start doing is we're gonna start taking photos of the wines that we're drinking and post them for you guys. So if there's anyone that you might have heard of and they caught your eye, we're going to try to make it easier where you guys can reach out to those wineries and find it yourself. I would also like to start doing tasting notes on these, especially for those that are just listening. I think it would be. Ian has an amazing palette on him. I would love to hear his tasting notes on this.
Speaker 2:I can get by and we all fake it to make it. But I think it would be good for just our listeners to understand what kind of Aromas palette we're getting out of this, even the color. I mean, we don't have to go into a full, a Detailed explanation on what this wine is, but I think it would be good for our listeners yeah, especially to understand and see if maybe it catches their eye without watching this podcast. So, with that being said, ian, do you want to give me a?
Speaker 1:yeah. So from the color on this I it's almost kind of green, has a little bit of a green and golden Kind of grassy golden hue to it and its light intensity. Just by telling, just by looking at the wine it with that gold on it, I think that's comes from malalactic fermentation which kind of turns it into a little more buttery, not a bad buttery but a good buttery on the nose. I get a lot of florals from the Vunier. Yeah, they kind of perfume me, florals like a Jasmine, if you will, jasmine blossom.
Speaker 1:You do and Even on the nose I get some Cheesiness, some leaves. So this is barrel fermented and so he I don't know if he stirred the barrel or not I assume that he would if it's barrel fermented some people don't but even if you don't stir it, you still get some of that leaves. Character and leaves is just dead Yee cells that collect at the bottom of a barrel or bottom of a fermentation vessel of any sort, and so when you stir that in, it gives it like a toasty, like bread and Cheesy kind of a texture to it and and taste. So that's why, like high, really good champagnes, the leaves is sitting in the bottle During tirage and then you can get kind of sourdough or brioche out of the those high-end champagnes like that, and so this kind of has that going for it.
Speaker 1:All right, guys, let's take a break for a minute because if you enjoy this podcast, I have some amazing news for you. Do you want more content from us extra episodes per week or behind the scenes snippets, discounts every time we drop some dope ass merch? Do you want your opinions, hot takes and topics to be covered on the podcast and to be a producer on our show? That's right, we want your opinions. We want your personal hot takes. Join the bung podge Brony gang and get your voice heard on this show. Just head to patreoncom official bung pod and talk to us. Now let's get back to the show. Sorry, I just served in the mic. The assets.
Speaker 2:You're gonna hear a lot of us slurping when we do this.
Speaker 1:God-gawk 5000.
Speaker 2:Um, why did you just slurp?
Speaker 1:Um, I slurred it. I slurped because I want to let air in through my palate up into my nasal passages, because 85% of your, your, your taste is through your sinuses. So your sinuses are very important to to wine tasting. If you want to be, if you want to get good tasting notes and stuff and not just down the hatchet if you get, grab a bottle that is very interesting and you're, and you want to know more about it and what not, and you use your senses and so that's what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Your senses are huge when it comes to wine tasting, especially if you want to actually go wine tasting and Learn your own palette I mean, understand where the acidity is coming from, where the sugars, all that stuff and the tannins well, how it sits on your palate, because then you will notice, when you take Wine, it's easier to understand what your what flavors you're receiving. Yeah, obviously there's general notes of like, say, black currants or green apples, citrus flavors, such like that, depending on what grape and If it's a white or a red or anything like that, which you will kind of Understand in the beginning. But then you go into more of when I can say what kind of apple is this?
Speaker 1:or what kind?
Speaker 2:of cherry. Is this, it's a right near cherry, or is this Whatever else?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean like a dark, deep red cherry or is it yeah? And Using those tasting notes and getting detailed into like what kind of fruit is there or what kind of apple is it, that's really more beneficial for, like blind tastings. Yes because it'll show you the climate of where this possibly could come from. Yeah, if it's New World, old world, yeah, so like usually warmer climates have like more of a baked apple Baked yellow apple thing going in it, and cooler climates have more like a granny smith, if we're talking about white wines.
Speaker 2:Yes, and if there's ever a wine that you want us to try and give you tasting notes on yeah. Put them in our DMs. We would love to try different wines, or even ones that you Love and want to recommend one to us. We want to see it and hear it.
Speaker 1:All we do we love?
Speaker 2:to Purchase any of those and give our feedback. We're literally just here to drink wine for a living, so yeah, help us. Help you.
Speaker 1:We do have a listener that wants to gift us a special bottle that she has for the podcast. Oh really yeah, so that would be cool and to have her on. If she wants to Be on the podcast, then that would be great to To share the bottle with her. Yeah as well, because her bottle that she wants to like, she wants us to drink it, yeah, so it's really one that can actually appreciate yeah the wine. I understand that yeah, so it's, it's really awesome and so, yeah, we do more of that later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so another thing we're gonna try to start doing is for the listeners. If you are just listening in your car and you want to See what the wine looks like that we're drinking today, we, on some of our Instagrams or Tiktoks or any of those, we will post, like I said prior, the image of the bottle, but hopefully we'll connect it to where it's located as well, so you guys can find the website and the location of this and maybe it's close near you and you had no idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah yep, and we want to be promoting Our family in this industry. I mean, everybody in the wine industry is family and I I've seen that, especially in the past year, that this community comes close together and anything we can do to support them Is supporting us as well.
Speaker 1:Absolutely thousand percent. Yeah, so after all that this kind of has a little bit of a cannabis nose to it, no, that's from the edible you ate last night. I didn't eat another last night. Smoked weed last night, oh, I don't know. There's lots of cannabis growing in Yakima, so who knows?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it could be surrounded by.
Speaker 1:Also a lot of hops too, which is in the cannabis world. So we want to talk about. So we did the Bung Pod origination story, so we're going to be going into this wine heist, which is fucking crazy. So we'll be focusing on one winery in specific, that is, Moe and Shandong, or how I used to call it back in the day Moet.
Speaker 2:I was going to say, was it Moet?
Speaker 1:Moet, Moet and Shandong.
Speaker 2:Shandong.
Speaker 1:The Moet and Alize keep me pissy. Girls used to diss me. Now they're right. Let us, because they miss me. Ay Shout out to Tori SBEggi. So this is.
Speaker 2:That's where I just want to like get up and leave. I'm just like, alright, that's one of my karaoke songs Juicy, my biggie.
Speaker 1:So Moet and Shandong. So something happened in 21, 2021, where an entire flock of sheep was stolen from Moet and Shandong's eco vineyard. So they're doing so. They're a big company. I don't know if you guys know LVMH it's Louis Vuitton, I think Moet and Hennessy. I think that stands for, but they own Louis Vuitton, givenchy and a bunch of other sheep.
Speaker 2:And they also own a lot of smaller companies as well.
Speaker 1:They do, yeah, and so they're responsible for Dom Perignon, one of my favorite champagnes, and so this something happened this has fleeced the world's largest champagne producer. That's hilarious, stealing.
Speaker 2:And where are you reading this information? Oh yes, so we're quoting.
Speaker 1:So, quoting this article, this is from Vinepair. Both of these articles will be from Vinepaircom, but there are multiple.
Speaker 2:The other one we'll be talking about. There are other articles out there, that's from their news sources, and wine spectator and all these other ones that you can take a look at. The details are a little different between each one, but this is what we'll be going off of today.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so Moet and Shandong recently introduced a herd of 14 sheep to its vineyards to cut down on herbicides and install solar paneled electric fence to ensure their security. But on January 2nd of 2021, a shepherd emerged to find the fences, solar panel removed and the flock completely gone.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I want to go back to why we don't see sheep around here.
Speaker 1:We do. We have big horn sheep in Shilan in the wild.
Speaker 2:In the wilderness.
Speaker 1:I mean, you see sheep around. We don't have them here in Shilan because we don't have vineyards that are focused on having an eco-friendly vineyard.
Speaker 2:And so. So how do you feel about that? Do you think the Lake Shilan, AVA or Washington itself should start practicing those?
Speaker 1:I do personally. I know a lot of my wine friends around here are going to roll their eyes listening to this at me right now. But yeah, one of my favorite wineries in California, toblus Creek they're all biodynamic and sometimes some people around here they're just not exposed to quality biodynamic vineyards Because, well, we don't really have a lot of them in the state and it was never a thing to focus on sustainability. And when I was taking the Waziu course no offense to Waziu, because I love them- no, and they're getting better at it.
Speaker 2:I mean this whole whole state's getting better at sustainability.
Speaker 1:Good, good. I mean it's all about steps right. You can't just assume that people are. It's going eco-friendly from conventional is very hard. There's a lot. It's a lot of time honestly that you just have to be waiting on and vintages and so it takes years and years to transition into a biodynamic vineyard or organic vineyard or sustainable whatever it doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 2:Vineyard is not conventional.
Speaker 1:So it doesn't happen overnight. It's very hard to do. I think a lot of people that know so much about growing vines in the state of Washington that are older. I think they have gained their knowledge through X amount of years of experience and I just think they just don't want it to be any harder than it is right now.
Speaker 2:Totally agree.
Speaker 1:And I think that's why there's also a huge cost to the winery or to the vineyard to do that as well. You have to buy things like sheep and you have to buy dogs to look after the sheep or buy solar powered fencing like they did. You don't have to buy fencing, but I went and Shandong did. It's a lot of fencing but they have the money so they can do it. But it's very expensive and it takes a lot of time to transition into that, to cut down herbicides and pesticides and whatnot.
Speaker 2:But they're also mowing and then fertilizing with their poop and all that good stuff. So I mean there's pros and cons to it. It's like you're not really feeding them because they're eating the grass that's around. So there's two sides to it. Yeah, absolutely Probably selling the wool as well, knowing them Selling what the wool off the sheep the wool, yeah, yeah, they're probably making some Louis V out of it. But, holy bees, is that what you just said?
Speaker 1:Louis V.
Speaker 2:Louis.
Speaker 1:Vuitton.
Speaker 2:Poor guys. Not that they like kill them, but no, they just, they just go naked.
Speaker 1:They just go naked for a time and they grow back. It's like getting a haircut. So the other one, the main heist that we're getting to, is the French police halted $650,000 worth of moet and chandon.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I want to just make this clear. I've read a couple articles that say $600,000, $650,000. It's in the $600,000 range. Either way, it's still a lot of wine, it's still upwards of half a mil.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2:It's a lot. So what happened I'll just start the introduction here is it was two guys. They stole these semi trucks and they tried to head towards Paris and what happened was they were kind of doing the casual, like nothing to see here don't look this way, we're just doing our jobs and just going on with their day Then to find out that someone that worked there noticed it was gone, called the police and there's GPS's on the semi trucks.
Speaker 1:On all the trucks, man. So then it's valuable juice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, obviously. And then they went into a car chase.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the French police. So thanks to the tracking devices they're able to locate the semi trucks and it didn't take French police long to locate them. But they were stopped just outside of Paris, like 12 miles outside of Paris. So apparently there's two thieves and they attempted to throw the authorities off their tails by swerving in and out of traffic.
Speaker 2:Especially against a police car.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like there's no horsepower at all on those cars. No.
Speaker 1:What officer was eventually able to force one truck to slow down, but his driver jumped out of the vehicle and into a sedan while moving yeah.
Speaker 2:And he was like so what happened is he jumped out of the truck, jumped into the sedan I think it was a BMW, yeah, I think it was a BMW took off. Well, during that time the truck was still moving. So the police officer jumped out of his car, jumped into the truck and hit the brakes.
Speaker 1:Damn Yo. That's crazy, that nuts. What a hero. That is some fast and furious shit. What a hero. That is some like Jason Statham.
Speaker 2:Like Jason Statham, Um yeah, so and then I think, the other truck, from what I understand, went off of a random bypass or whatever it was.
Speaker 1:An off-ramp.
Speaker 2:Yeah, an off-ramp, and then just ditched the vehicle. Yeah, just ditched it Was out of there.
Speaker 1:And the second truck was located hours later with the driver nowhere in sight.
Speaker 2:So did we ever find out if they were caught? So this happened back in November, around November 10th of 2023. So very recent.
Speaker 1:So you would think by now they would either have a lead or taught or like some sort of yeah it just says LVMH and Moet Shandon have yet to release a statement regarding the incident, regarding the heist, and the investigation is underway to find the drivers of the vehicle.
Speaker 2:But Well, and I think I also read there was another kind of exact same situation, but it was only like 50,000 worth. Back in 2022. 2022. And same thing they tried to steal some champagne and couldn't get away because of the GPS drugs. So that's almost three different occasions in Paris where they're stealing yeah, they're just jacking wine. They're just jacking wine, they're just on it.
Speaker 1:They're like this economy is fucking insane. I can't afford shit.
Speaker 2:It's nuts and, like you know, the French they, like you know they're hidden, they study the French culture and all that stuff and they need to like realize how good they have it over there. Dude yeah, I think they have it so good and if you're pretty dope, if you've been lived in France or from France, maybe you think differently. I'm not against that, but from what I studied, which maybe made it look like gold stars yeah, I was. It was like on my goal list of like move to France in like five years.
Speaker 1:Honestly, like it's so crazy, because my buddy moved to Santa Barbara from France. He's born and raised in France, he had like a tech job in France and then he had to get a job in the States and he was terrified because it's so hard to fire people at a job in France. Like there's such a long process, takes like half a year even to do it. You have to go through the government and everything. Really, yeah, it's wild. And so in order to fire someone, like quitting super easy, but firing someone is really really difficult in France.
Speaker 2:See where in Washington you can get fired for tying your shoe the wrong way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like in in the States it's like oh, we don't like you, you're fired you know or whatever.
Speaker 1:I mean you have to have like a reason, like you could go back and sue the company, like, oh, they fired me off of my political views and that's bullshit or whatever. Or like I have a disability, they fired me off of that, so you can't do that. But unless you want to get sued, but you can fire anyone for any reason, really, like legally, yeah, you can. Yeah, you know, in the States and he was terrified. He was like well, if I don't do a good job, they're just going to fire me. And I had to tell him like no, like they don't want, we don't want to fire people in the States. It's not like you hire people for a reason, yeah, and if you see the value in that person, still you keep them on and you just try and try and correct the mistakes or whatever they're making or make them, invest in them and make them better. But in France it's so hard, so fucking hard to fire people.
Speaker 2:And God, I kind of wish it was like that here. Like you know there's situations of like how, like how people manage.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Where they can just get so sick of you that they just fire you instead of maybe they need to take the time and retrain themselves as a manager. Yeah, it's. You know, not everybody was born to be a manager. Correct, and that's totally fine, and I know friends that are like. I know for a fact I'm not a manager. Please don't give me that position.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't manage people yeah.
Speaker 2:When I hear that. Respect, if you can tell like because they know themselves.
Speaker 1:Yes, if they know themselves well enough to self-awareness awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the people that are too almost stubborn to not realize that they're good managers is. It makes it hard, because then they start micromanaging or whatever it is, and then, next thing that you know, they're getting frustrated because you're not doing what they want you to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And now you're fired because they couldn't take a different approach to it, and that's just a thing that happens in the United States, where they haven't.
Speaker 1:That exact thing happened to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I believe it.
Speaker 1:Not in the wine industry.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It wasn't before. I took a break from the wine industry because it wasn't making money and so I tried to do like a tech job, software job, and stuff. And they were just yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, and I don't do well with the office world and too inappropriate. Like at banks and stuff that can be a big problem is they have these managers that have been there for forever, so they keep getting bumped and getting bumped. And because they have nobody else, yeah, and then they don't know how to do that position or manage that person. So now all they're doing is micromanaging or not managing it all and just leading people that maybe they want to learn or trying to do their best to a whole different, wrong path.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and why risk getting fired when you can just steal $650,000 worth of champagne, yeah, yeah. All right, guys, let's take a break for a minute because, if you enjoy this podcast, I have some amazing news for you. Do you want more content from us Extra episodes per week or behind the scenes snippets, discounts Every time we drop some dope ass, merch. Do you want your opinions, hot takes and topics to be covered on the podcast and to be a producer on our show? That's right, we want your opinions. We want your personal hot takes. Join the Bung Podge brony gang and get your voice heard on this show. Just head to patreoncom slash official Bung Podge and talk to us. Now let's get back to the show.
Speaker 2:Did you see it? I just saw this on social media yesterday, or something like that, where it showed a prison in Norway and it was this like high security prison. Who knows if this is actually true. I saw it on like Instagram, so who knows but it's like they have like pottery class and all this stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I sent it to my friend. I go. Why is it that I'm about to go to Norway and commit a crime?
Speaker 1:Just for a better living. For a better living, and it's I mean I mean, I mean a better living situation. Let's go to Norway and do some shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean they actually take the criminals like, oh, like they need help, let's try to better themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because they are true correction facilities where they try, and the point of you actually going to the correction facility in Norway, it's also in Sweden and Denmark. Have the same.
Speaker 2:I was going to say I think I've heard Sweden especially.
Speaker 1:I've heard more about the Denmark quote, unquote prisons. They're not like our prisons, where it's just like you know, concrete walls in the cage. It's. They're like rooms, it's like a three star hotel and they actually get decent food and then you go to. Like you said, it's about. They're investing into their, investing into the public, the worst of the worst of the public. They're investing in them and trying to correct their behavior so they can be a giving person of society, you know a good human, and so they actually put their money where their mouth is and have them take classes and stuff.
Speaker 1:And there's education in there too.
Speaker 2:See, I would love to know that we were doing with doing that for our prisoners. Like, yes, they, they messed up, whatever, but as my tax dollars, now you're just having them sit in there, do absolutely nothing with their lives, grieve over something that they did instead of trying to correct it. I mean, of course, they have these little jobs and do this and that, but like, make it a positive experience of like not not so positive that I'd need to just like go commit a murder right now, but yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:It just makes sense that you are trying to benefit the community by putting their tax dollars into actually caring about these people that live in this society. Absolutely Especially when they get out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And giving them the option to be successful and changing their lives, especially the felons.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have a certain view. It's not as popular in some communities but and others is not really, because it's like the dark side kind of, of America.
Speaker 2:Explain.
Speaker 1:Well, it's like the 13th Amendment, right. So 13th Amendment abolished slavery, but there was I'm simplifying it way too much but there's, there's kind of like a yeah, we're abolishing slavery, but prisons. So it's now, we haven't completely abolished slavery, we just moved it into prisons. Essentially. Yeah, because there's so many United States products that get made by prisoners where they're being paid 12 cents an hour or whatever it was, 20 cents, whatever it is. Something like that, like swifters, swiffer wet jets Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know for a fact swifters on the list. I don't remember what the other ones?
Speaker 2:are. It's also like in the fire department they have the chain gangs go out, right. Hopefully nobody takes offense to that term, but that is the term. Yeah. Well, who knows if the official term my official term, yeah, and so at least they're out there helping the community fight a fire.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like I'd love seeing that, get them outdoors.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, I like that a lot. But like, yeah, I mean I know I grew up around most of my friends were immigrants and people of color growing up, and so there is a thing and also me growing up in the hip hop and all these lyrics and whatnot where they go in on the 13th Amendment and how many black men are imprisoned for stupid shit Like selling weed, like selling weed, and then they're honestly for even just smoking weed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then now they're just sitting there rotting and being used to make swifters.
Speaker 1:And then you have people like Prodigy, who's the second half of the rap group mob deep. Prodigy went to prison and then he worked in the kitchen. He learned about culinary arts.
Speaker 2:I did know about that.
Speaker 1:And then he got out of prison and he released a cookbook which is awesome. It's a prison cookbook.
Speaker 2:It's. You know, there are cool things. So there was a story that I heard, who knows how long ago this was, of a guy that was in prison for forever, and every day he would imagine this one golf course that he used to play as a kid or prior to going in, and he would imagine this course and he went back to this course and then shot like the course record.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Because once he got out, he went and played and he had this whole thing in his head of how he was going to play the course and all this stuff that he actually went out and, like, set the record.
Speaker 1:That's dope.
Speaker 2:Isn't that crazy, that's amazing. I mean, and that's how, when I go play golf, I'm thinking what are going to be my next three shots if I get it to where I want it to go Right?
Speaker 1:First problem I don't know. I should have gone golf. So yeah, but I just know, hit the ball with the stick.
Speaker 2:And put it in the hole.
Speaker 1:And put it in the hole. What Drink Coors Light in the golf cart?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I know. Normally I just drag you with the guys and I.
Speaker 1:I mean, I talk about. I talk to my girlfriend's dad about this. He's a big golfer and he's good. Yeah, Like he's really good Him. His son as well is really really good and they go play together. Oh my God, the shit that he comes back like oh yeah, I only shot this, this and that and I don't.
Speaker 1:I don't really know much about golf, but I've watched my dad golf and he was stoked about getting like you know, scoring like 95 on a course, whatever, yeah, and he was like he's like sick, you know, and then. But then I go to my girlfriend's dad and he's shooting like I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 2:Probably like 70s, low 70s.
Speaker 1:It's like Around par. Yeah, Around par Exactly. And he's like good fucking job. And he's like, uh, I was all right. And I'm like, that's like my opposite, my dad would like dream of that shit yeah.
Speaker 2:Right, my parents are really big golfers and I just never got into it. But Well, for me it was. My dad came up to me and I'll never forget this. He it was in high school, actually freshman year going into high school, and he looked at me and he goes you're playing golf or you're not getting your license, so which one do you want? All right, I mean I ended up becoming a five handicap and that means probably probably if 40 different scholarship offers and I took, so you're good then none of them, and I went to WSU and drank my life away.
Speaker 1:Was it and give you a scholarship for golf?
Speaker 2:No, they offered me to walk on, though, but I declined it because I had to work. Word, yeah, I couldn't not have a scholarship Life. But, yeah, that's nuts, but golf is a great networking tool. I've used it to get into the wine business. I've used it for multiple things. It's again I brought it up on an episode prior is like if you know wine, you can jerk off any CEO and that's kind of like talking golf as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is really if you know some wine like a little bit of wine lingo, some buzz like keywords and stuff, and then know it to order.
Speaker 2:Yeah like you're and then look like you know how you're tasting, even though it could, and if you make it look like you know what you're doing, you're good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those CEOs will jerk off to you.
Speaker 2:Yes, any day.
Speaker 1:They'll put your picture. You'll take a picture of your ordering wine, and then I'll just jerk off to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you'll be planning your next tea time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tea time, baby Tea time tea time tea time, tea time.
Speaker 2:And you'll just have course light then.
Speaker 1:Exactly, or bring a karma canned.
Speaker 2:Yes, or flask and whiskey, or a flask of whiskey. Birdie juice, birdie juice, baby. I don't get those very often anymore.
Speaker 1:Well, thanks for listening to the podcast. We're about at time right now. But I mean, that heist thing was crazy, like that whole thing super like fucking fast and furious.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:And it did with BMWs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I believe it was with the BMW from one of the articles again. All these articles had different little details, different pricing, so just depends on which one you guys look over if you guys end up searching more on this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it was fascinating and yeah, I want to talk more about wine news on this podcast too when it pops up. So I'll have to subscribe to different wine news for wine specific things.
Speaker 2:But something that seems tasty Try to get our listeners informed as well.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:The wine news is always always interesting. Even if it's a new vessel or a new grape or the effects of smoke on the vines. I mean, it varies all over and even just research, or maybe what's being predicted in the next season. You know, we could even do a thing on what Noah is predicting for next season.
Speaker 1:Who's that? The ARC guy, the?
Speaker 2:guy from the ARC.
Speaker 1:That dude from the ARC. He's still around.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's still around.
Speaker 1:Noah's doing weather shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Noah's doing weather shit.
Speaker 1:Cool, cool, cool. Yeah, I know a guy.
Speaker 2:You know a guy who's a guy Noah. Noah guy. Oh my God, you're so stupid. Oh my God, we need to wrap this up. This is going to go.
Speaker 1:Okay, I actually want to keep this going into our Patreon right now. So thank you guys so much for listening to the Bung Pa with the Wine Wonder Boy and Jazzy Cheers, Cheers.