Programming Lions

Ep.47 Afterlife 101 w/ Allison DuBois

• Matt Morstad • Episode 47

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DESCRIPTIONViews on life after death can be very controversial; a topic many avoid due to religious reasons or just the unfamiliarity of something very much unknown. Programming Lions speaks to Allison Dubois, known for her inspiration behind the hit TV show, Medium, curious about what it’s like connecting with those who have passed, and her outlook on living for right now. 


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Website: https://www.allisondubois.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mediumallison

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtU2YprVNSuVRU1XfLHi4lw


TIMELINE

00:00 Intro

07:07 Finding the gift

11:55 Rewards of a medium

15:22 Life purpose

18:45 Critics

20:21 False prophets & scams

27:12 Connection process

34:01 Afterlife stages

37:30 Borders

40:50 Time machines

42:33 Jokes from beyond

44:30 Resuscitation and reincarnation

49:40 Instincts

53:15 Dark energy

55:11 Takeaways

Welcome to the Programming Alliance Podcast. Do we have a special guest in store for you today? Alison Dubois has joined the show. Alison is a mother, a wife, a medium, New York times, best selling author, the inspiration for a hit TV series called the medium where she was played by Patricia Arquette. She's also a podcast host, professor of mediumship, and that is just for starters. So we are going to get into all of this today and buckle up. Yeah.

AD - Dad:

Alison Dubois. Thank you so much for joining the programming Alliance podcast. We are pumped to have you on. We got a lot of stuff to dig into and unpack with you today. I've personally been familiar with your career, before we get into that, could you just, in your own words and for the audience, give us a little bit about your background, story, journey, mission?

AD - Allison:

Oh, well, I mean, I had to write six books. It's kind of long. I was interning in homicide to be a prosecutor. When I was 11, I decided I wanted to grow up to put bad guys away. So that's why I wanted to be a prosecutor. While I was interning, it was my job to sort the crime scene photos. And when I was sorting the photos, I was starting to see what was happening before the picture was taken, what led up to the death. my boss, he said write down what you get and I'll see if I can apply it, which led to accuracy and him asking me if I could head tap criminals, could I tap into jurors? For a trial and I said, I can try and so no pressure trying it out on a live case, to assemble a jury that will give us the desired result that we wanted, obviously a guilty verdict and the cases they brought me in on, there were gray areas where a bad guy could get off. And so it was my job to assemble a jury and put people on it that would sympathize with our victim. And I was very good at it. I actually really loved doing that. It felt purposeful. I went to University of Arizona to be studied by scientists. to see how I was doing what I was doing. I didn't know what I was doing. I'm married to a rocket scientist. He's a science based guy. And I just thought I'd prove to myself that I was average because I didn't really know a lot about mediums. And I ended up becoming what they coined their Michael Jordan of mediums at the laboratory. So then Paramount reached out to them and said, we're filming a pilot. Can you send us some of your best mediums? So I went and I competed against 120 other people, different backgrounds from astrology to runes. And I really just want to see what other mediums were like because I carried an attache case and I was always wearing penny loafers and I, I just grew up very right and wrong, black and white, you know, that's how I saw things even as a child. And I wanted to see that there was somebody like me. I found out I even amongst the different was different because I thought they were a little, I mean they were wonderful and they were spiritual, but I didn't think they were exact enough in their information. And I remember saying to one of the mediums, you can't cry harder than your client. You know, they're the ones that lost someone. This isn't about us. This is about them. So I was realizing that being trained in a laboratory. I was doing things that most mediums wouldn't be pushed to do and maybe couldn't do because the Testing was rigorous. It was very difficult So I ended up making the top five. So I was one of the oracles. They called us the oracles and Kelsey Grammer was Producing it. So that's how I met Kelsey and we became friends And I asked him to write a blurb for my first book, which he did. Don't Kiss Him Goodbye was my first book. And I just got a call one day when I was playing with my little girls in the swimming pool, and they said, we want to make a television series based on your life. So it wasn't exactly where I had intended to go. I intended to be a lawyer, or I wouldn't have gotten a degree and taken my LSATs. But I was leaving it up to the universe to whatever I'm here for, I'm willing to follow, whatever that calling is. And instead of being in a courtroom as a lawyer, I was in a courtroom assisting the prosecution. That's how it all began.

AD - Dad:

Yeah. Wow. So it sounds from your description. Like the TV show is fairly accurate in terms of your husband being a rocket scientist and,

AD - Allison:

the three little girls,

AD - Dad:

and the girls. Yeah.

AD - Allison:

It was, the thing that was the big distinction that was different is, I get my information while I'm awake because that would be a really interesting show if I had to sleep to get my information like in my daily life for live events. But people can relate to it more because when you're asleep, the other side can access you more easily because your brain shut down. You're not distracted by your life, barking dogs, kids, like whatever's distracting you during the day. So people that are in that part of life tend to have less interaction. And people who have more time and more quiet tend to hear more and experience more, but they access you in dreams more easily than during the day.

AD - Dad:

Interesting. Wow. Did you want to be the, cause in the show, there's a different person that played you. Did you want to be that

AD - Allison:

Oh God, I can't act. No, I was fine letting Patricia Arquette have all the glory. I just didn't think I was interesting enough to have a television series. And I felt like I was too young at the time to have a show based on my life. I was What 31 or 32 at the time, and I'm just thinking, I haven't even lived that long. How can it be that interesting, but in Hollywood, they hear everything. And so to them, it was interesting. I was happy having Patricia cast as me. I thought she was a softer version of me. Well, she came to my house in Phoenix. I lived in Phoenix at the time. I'm in Scottsdale now, but in Phoenix, and she had her Birkenstocks on and her backpack, and she was sort of go with the flow Californian. I'm, I was born in Arizona, born and raised, I looked at her and I said, how do you feel about the death penalty? And that started a long conversation between she and I. But needless to say, I'm a bit of a harder version of being my real self. I, I think they made her soft and I thought they made her very empathetic and a sympathetic character. But Jake Weber was cast to play my husband. And I thought that I just thought the casting was incredible. All the way around, like the children, everybody that was cast was so talented, and they really did pull off my daughter's personalities and my husband's.

AD - Dad:

Okay. Very cool. Oh, we got the inside scoop, boys. This is pretty neat. Well, the boys cultivated a number of questions they wanted to pick your brain about, so why don't we get after it? Okay when and how did you find out that you had this thing where you could talk to dead people, like a gift?

AD - Allison:

So well, you know how when you're a kid, you only have your own perspective. You only know what you see, what you hear, what you feel. So you assume everybody else hears, feels, and sees the same way you do. I was six when I first really started experiencing the other side. My great grandfather had passed in Phoenix of intestinal cancer. And it was a painful way for him to die. And I remember being at the funeral and looking at him in the casket and I didn't really understand what death was because I was six and I thought he was sick. So he took a nap and he was going to wake up and feel better because that's what my mom did with me when I was grouchy. She made me take a nap. So I'm thinking he's better and he's just sleeping. Anyways my mom took me home and she put me to bed. And she left and I looked at the foot of my bed and I saw my great grandfather and he said, tell your mom I'm not in pain anymore and that I'm still with her. So I was excited. I thought he was back. I mean, he was standing at the foot of my bed. He looked healthy. He still looked older, but no lines on his face. I, I thought this is good news. I told my mom and she just looked at me and said, go back to bed. So I went back to my room and he was gone. So I wondered, was he here? Like where did he go? Why is my mom mad at me? And you learn to keep those things to yourself as a child when you get that reaction from a parent because you don't want to upset them. I always saw people around me. I was never lonely. I must have appeared lonely, but I knew there were people in my room. I used to have this group of old men with the suspenders and the spectacle glasses that would play poker in my room while I played with my dolls. I never really felt alone. Then when I was 11, I was riding my bike, and these men pulled up in a car, this was like 32nd Street and Cactus for people who are locals, and they said, get in the car, and I looked at them, and I didn't want to get in the car, and I heard a voice say, go, and images of my house were being flashed through my head because I was in shock, because I was afraid, but it jolted me out of that, so I started riding my bike back to my house, and I told my mom, and she did what the majority of parents do with attempted abductions, and they don't report it. And she thought I was mistaken, that they probably just needed directions. I'm like, why would they need directions from an 11 year old? But that was my mom. That was the second time that I really had interaction with the other side on that level. So that was the first time they saved my life. And then the second time was when I was 17, which is a whole other story. But that's why I grew up to initiate the Amber Alert for the state of Arizona. And I served on the task force to design it. That was in 2000. So I was 28 then.

AD - Dad:

Wow.

AD - Allison:

They're like, who is this kid? You know, I was beaten on doors of senators and politicians and they weren't getting back to me, but I finally got it. Got it done. And then they made it federal the next year national. Yeah, I've just had a colorful life, I guess.

AD - Dad:

Really cool. You were at the heart of that. That's a, that's been a incredible movement and now, like you said, it's national, so that's gotta be super rewarding

AD - Allison:

That came from the first missing child's case that I went to work. I went to Dallas, Texas, Fort Worth area, and a little girl named Opal Jennings had disappeared. And that was the pilot episode of Medium, except they changed the gender of the victim, and obviously circumstances, because we don't want to re victimize the families by portraying it on television. That's when I was with the sheriff and he told me about an amber alert because they only had it in the Dallas Fort Worth area and in San Diego at the time nowhere else in the country. So I, that's when I brought it back to Arizona and beat on all the doors to try and get it done here and fought all the guys at clear channel who thought it would be a lawsuit. And I'm like it saves lives. I think it's worth the risk. So it was just a tall mountain for sure.

AD - Dad:

Yeah. Wow. Well, good for you. So being a medium, is it what's the most rewarding part about being a person who can speak to the other side?

AD - Allison:

I think the most rewarding part of being a medium is when I hear my client laugh because the person they love said something funny to them through me. And so my favorite part of a reading is when they start laughing again and you see their energy shift and they say they haven't laughed in five years since their husband died or since their child died. And it'll be a joke that was an inside joke between them. Something's specific and that is just the biggest payoff is seeing people that can not just heal because heels thrown around a lot, but to see people rejoin the living and want to live again, because when you lose someone close to you, part of you dies. If something happened to your dad, you'd always feel like he's not next to me is not in my ballgame and it puts you in a position to mourn. that your soul recognizes their soul though when it's around. So I teach people how to recognize their presence. When they're already recognizing it, they just don't put it into terms. When you feel like someone's standing behind you, like for instance, Matt, if Will or Max is standing behind you, you can kind of feel which one it is by the energy without even turning around. It's the same way with people who die. You can feel them. It's just a matter of learning how to reconnect with them to show them love and let them be part of your life still. So I, my dad died when I was 30 and I honor him by doing fun things that he did with me and that brings me closer to him. I find the best way to combat Mourning and grief is by doing that, but I, I think, at your son's ages, we don't really think about death because we're immortal, right? We're young. We're going to live forever. I see the other side of that. I see the people that don't make it, but it does make me sit back and look at like your beautiful boys they're everything life is about. They're everything good. And so I think talking to the dead has given me a new way of looking at life and not just not taking it for granted, but taking risks, being me. If somebody doesn't like what I say, I'm just like, well, that's too bad, I don't know what to tell you because you're not going to be at my funeral. So why do I care? I just sort of live my life that way. And that can, sometimes people get their feathers ruffled, but I'm just like, look, you're not even on my train ride here, just go back to your journey, I'm on mine, and I think you have to live life that way, so I've tried to write books about how to live your life and not to let other people define who you are, and live your life for who you are, what you want to be, and your soul's purpose, and I find that people live in fear, I always say life doesn't stand for live in fear every day. And that's what a lot of people do and their priorities are wrong and they're missing the point of why we're here altogether. It's not for designer shoes. I like designer shoes, but that isn't it. That's not why we're here. And so I like counseling people and telling them what their karmic path is so they could maybe get back on it.

AD - Dad:

When you talk about purpose of why we're here, what would the purpose of our life here be?

AD - Allison:

The underlying energy of why we're here is to love and connections. I find that the people that were loved a lot that were characters, the ones we tell stories about the funny ones, even if they ruffled someone's feathers in life and they were that person that just always was a straight shooter. told you exactly what they thought of you. We always love that person. That person's always loved their remember because they're special because they're such an individual. And so I'll get multiple people wanting me to bring that person through people who don't connect in relationships and they don't live, they don't get out there. They don't care. They don't have empathy for others. Nobody wants to hear from them. Every now and then I'll get somebody, cause I read 350 people a year, so every now and then I'll get somebody like once every four years, that they want to hear from the dead, just to know that they went where they belong. People who were mad at him. So I see all sides of it.

AD - Dad:

Wow. That's

AD - Allison:

stories.

AD - Dad:

Wow. Wow. That's dark. Maybe we can go into a couple of those. That's an interesting reading, so they want to just make sure that somebody got what they deserved, basically.

AD - Allison:

I had one woman who I brought her boyfriend through and he had these, he was apologizing to her and I'm conveying his apologies. And then he was talking about how special she was and how he wanted her to go on and have the life she was meant to have. And she just started yelling at me, and this was an in person reading, and this was in the beginning of my readings, and she started yelling at me, and she was really yelling at him. Apparently, he was in a car accident and died with his mistress. the person who was like cheating on her with. So she had some things she needed to unload off of her chest. if that's what she needed and I can help her do that, let me have it. It's like, whatever. It's what I'm here for. So yeah, I've seen everything. I think. I've had daughters who. Their dads weren't appropriate with them as in their childhood. They're the ones that want to know that he went where he belonged. And usually it only takes ten minutes into the reading before I get that. He has dark energies around other people with like energy. And there's no remorse still. The soul had no remorse. And they just needed to know that he didn't go to a good place.

AD - Dad:

hmm. Wow. Wow.

AD - Allison:

Yeah. Well,

AD - Dad:

So I suppose, yeah, in some cases it can be pretty validating for people to feel like, okay, this, yeah.

AD - Allison:

they didn't get a say goodbye and they didn't get a, having a, what they call closure, which I think that word's way overused because I think closure isn't something you get until you die and you see them again and then things are as they should be. And then I think you might get closure, but in this lifetime, all you could do is get answers.

AD - Dad:

Yeah.

AD - Allison:

Yeah.

AD - Dad:

Know in the bible it says like you people don't really want to speak to mediums. So I'm just wondering

AD - Allison:

what do you say to people who think your work is foolish or even anti religious? Oh, I've been called the Antichrist, honey, you can say it. So I have a friend his name's Father Nathan Castle, and he's a Catholic priest, Jesuit Catholic, and he's a medium. And I wrote a chapter after interviewing him for We Are Their Heaven. That's my second book. And so we looked at it and he went through the Bible with me and he said, it's talking about false prophets, Allison. people who are pretending to talk to the dead. He says in no place does it say it's about people who actually talk to the dead are, bad. As a matter of fact, a lot of the disciples saw the dead had afterlife experiences and it's in the Bible. So I don't believe what I do is bad because I was made this way and it's genetic. It runs in families and I know a lot of people who do this. And I try and dispel that for them, that just like where they say suicides go to hell, they don't. So I see things on the other side that I know to be true, that thousands of other people have seen and know to be true. And that can't be bad. I actually feel very lucky to do what I do. I think it makes me live better, love more, and feel closer to God. Father Nathan Castle he's got his own podcast and he's the only priest that's allowed in the Catholic Church to talk about his mediumship abilities openly.

AD - Dad:

Really? It's interesting because, yeah, you would think to some extent if it's real, like then it would be complimentary to religion in some ways, like validating the afterlife and energy and so forth. But to your point about false. Prophets, that brings up another question with me is how high is the ratio of false profits out there? So you've obviously met a lot of people that do what you do or say they do what you do, but how many of them can you actually trust versus are just out there trying to scam you? Okay.

AD - Allison:

Most psychics are not mediums. Psychics predict the future, so their information can't be validated in that reading. They walk away from it. Most mediums are psychics. If you're gonna go to someone, go to someone who at least purports to be a medium, because they know they're gonna be held to that higher standard where you can validate the information in a mediumship reading on the spot. Thank you. So if I'm saying I'm bringing your dad through because I bring through who they want I don't go on a fishing expedition for I feel a grandma. I don't do that. I say Who do you want brought through? Who are they to you and they'll say like my son and I'll write down son and the energy of them saying that connects me To that person through my client and that's how I make that connection So then when I make the connection with them, it's It's easy to get the specific information, like his name, you, he's with your grandfather who's named Joe. And they'll say, I do have a grandfather named Joe. You can validate that in the moment, right? But a psychic prediction, if I say you're going to buy a house next July, then you're walking away, reading's over. They can go on and do readings and not be good at it without being called on it. Mediums have to do it in the moment. So I always say go on Reputation and go with a medium, not over a psychic, because they've already had to usually prove themselves.

AD - Dad:

Okay. Wow. Wow.

AD - Allison:

I have come up against some people that just aren't good. It's not that they're fake. They just shouldn't do it professionally. And I wrote a whole chapter on it. And don't kiss them goodbye. So yeah,

AD - Dad:

I imagine it's a skill that you have to build and evolve and, and learn and craft over time like anything else. Is that right? Mm

AD - Allison:

you work out. And I actually founded a school called dead university. And so I have students and we all met in Sedona last weekend for summer camp. They're adults, but we had summer camp. And I assembled them all in a circle cause I wanted to see their style. And I hold myself and other mediums to a very high standard because I'm a perfectionist. I'm competitive. It's just my nature. I watched them read, and half of them probably won't be doing it professionally. Maybe they do tarot or astrology or do some other area. But you always see that one or two that stands out. I worked with some children when I was on the Tyra show years ago. And they were the psychic kids on the A& E network that used to be on. And I had them read audience members so I could see which, I think it took me 15 minutes to figure out which one of them was like the best. And the rest I was like, eh. It's obvious. When you have been in that position of having expectations be high and you can do great, amazing readings, you have, I have the same expectations that they be able to produce the same thing. But there was one little girl that stood out and she was just phenomenal. Now, whether or not you can handle the abilities is a whole other ballgame. You have to have a very strong personality to live this life.

AD - Dad:

I can imagine it being a very emotional experience for people.

AD - Allison:

And it is, but we fall apart later. We want, we take the pain with us. The person always leaves feeling better because we took a lot of their pain for them in the moment. We have to then go get rid of all of what we just absorbed from them, whether it's the person died of cancer, we just absorbed illness, or whatever. Somebody was murdered, somebody committed suicide, traumatic deaths we absorb and we take on their pain, send them out the door in a better condition than they came in and that's really our job and then I try and teach them to connect on their own and answer their questions as well. So you have to be strong, borders and boundaries are incredibly important. I'm always telling my students this, you have to have borders and boundaries with the living and the dead. And if you can't have them with the living, you're not going to have them with the dead. Yes, incredibly important. I was going to be a homicide prosecutor, so I think I'm just designed for this. I'm cut out for death. And I see the positive, beautiful side of it, but I also know that I want to keep other people from dying in preventable deaths. And so I have assisted in putting people away for So there aren't more victims and I've told people to get their heart checked or buckle your seatbelts on the way home and they roll their car or They go to the doctor to have the heart checked and there was a blockage and they do surgery immediately So I've I've helped like dozens of people not die prematurely Their death wasn't set in stone. They didn't have to go or I wouldn't be given the information And my dad, I heard a voice say, your dad's going to die at 67 of a massive heart attack. And I looked at my husband and I whispered it to him. And we're standing in front of a Toys R Us with my little girls at the time. And my dad, big smile on his face, just a happy guy. And I just sent him to all the heart specialists for two years and tried to intervene. And he died at 67 of a massive heart attack. And what I was being taught is that it's not in my power. I'm used as a vessel sometimes to get a message to somebody who doesn't have to die, but he had to because I didn't know how my clients felt because I hadn't lost anybody that close to me. Until you lose somebody close to you, you don't know what people go through and that's just the truth. So I wrote a chapter called my way for him and my first book and I wrote it 24 hours after he died while it was still raw because I wanted people going through it to be able to relate to the rawness. that they're feeling and know that I understand. Yeah, but it makes me feel extra good to help other daughters and sons when I bring their dad through, it just, it, it heals something. It heals those wounds. So

AD - Dad:

Great grandpa, since he's dead. So you can just like, Just like kind of just feel Into energy and then you can like kind of speak to him yeah What's the process like when you bring someone over how does that work? What is your method to to do that? Do you need candles or like? motions with your hands in a dark room

AD - Allison:

I carried an attache case and wore suits. I'm just not that media. I connect to them through the love, the person they love that's alive that I'm talking to. So they don't come for me. They come for the person that needs them. So in other words, your great grandfather may not be the best example to use because you're so young and you have such limited experience if you knew him at all, right? And so there's less energy in the reading because there's less trauma. Now, if you lost somebody like a parent or a sibling, like your brother, there's trauma to that. There's trauma connected to that. And I will connect to them through your pain and bring the messages through that they want to say to you. And I've brought a lot of siblings through for their siblings. I know that's an important one. But my process is see my pad of paper and my pencil? So five days a week, I'm automatic writing just like this and I say, who do you want brought through? Who are they to you? And my client will say what the relation is. I don't want their name, I don't want information on them, I just want the relationship to you. So I'll write dad on my piece of paper at the top. And then I'll say, okay, I'm going to go quiet for a moment while I write the impressions I get connected to connected to you and, and your dad. So I start writing and I'll write a page of information and then relay it to the client. Then I let the dad talk for a second page and relay it to the client. And on the third page I'll say, do you have any questions for them? Cause if people have questions for them, I like to get those answers, but normally they'll answer the questions without ever being asked because they already see what's going on in your life. So I P I tell people I'm a glorified secretary. I'm a secretary, the dead's the boss, the living is the magic. Why they come through. I'm just a secretary. So when I'm on flights, people are like, What do you do? Not a snowball's chance in hell. I'm telling the media

AD - Dad:

That'd be a long flight.

AD - Allison:

up. So I always have just said, I'm a secretary. And they just turn their back and stop talking to me. And I'm like, perfect.

AD - Dad:

Right. Yeah. Right.

AD - Allison:

So yeah.

AD - Dad:

That's the way to do it.

AD - Allison:

Yeah, it works for me. I had a woman on a flight once. I think it was when my second book came out. She's sitting next to me. It was a Southwest flight. I was coming back from LA and she was like, you've got to read this book. This is, this is such an amazing book. She's like, this woman is amazing. And I had my sunglasses on cause I had to travel with sunglasses then. At the end, I stood up and I got my bag and she showed me the cover. She's like, you really have to get this. And I just took my glasses off. I said, I wrote it. She was like, wait, I had so many questions for you. I said, exactly.

AD - Dad:

Oh, that's funny. Yeah. Wow. What a cool like maybe we should do that on flights. Yeah Well Yeah, let me try that boys we'll see what happens yeah, hopefully and so when when you bring people through do you See them. Is it energy you feel do you see them in? Like their younger self their older self their healthy self. They're not healthy self. Like what is that process like?

AD - Allison:

So unlike some of the shows that depict spirits, they don't look like they did when they died. They don't, they're,

AD - Dad:

don't look like their last breath

AD - Allison:

they don't look like a gunshot wound or, some of the shows would do that. And I'm like, that's not what it's like. For instance, for Max and Will, If I brought through someone for them that they knew, obviously they are still young, so they would have known them as older, the person that died, say, like great grandpa. My great grandfather came through to me, he was the same age, but no flaws on his skin, and his eyes were bright. He did that for me, so I knew who he was. If he went back to a younger version of himself as a six year old, I wouldn't have recognized him. When it's children or when someone died in your childhood, they're gonna come through older and then they say, but this is me now and they shift to the younger age. I'm always giving my clients an age. When I bring through the dead, they'll show me a number and I'll write it down and I'll say, Hey. Your mom reverted to, your mom's 22 now. If you take out a picture of your mom at 22, that's what she looks like now. And then I say, they go back to the age that was their heaven on earth. So that's when they got married, when they were in love, when they had a child sometimes when they win a Golden Gloves prize fight or are famous in Hollywood. I've brought those people through too. That's their heaven. But normally it'll, she'll, I'll say, was your mom, had she met your dad yet? And they'll say yeah, that was the year they got married and I'm, I say, do you understand how beautiful that is? Of all the years in her life, she chose your dad in the end. She went back to the age she was when they were first in love and it was still the honeymoon phase of marriage. Or they'll go back to the age they were when they were pregnant with my client, which always shocks them. They're like, that's how old she was when I was born. You're part of her heaven. You're versions of her heaven. You helped her create those in her life. We're here to create versions of heaven. People that don't make those connections and don't live their truth and live fully, don't have them on the other side. People who live amazing lives, I'll have them say it's 1962, I'm at a cocktail party, I'll describe what the woman's wearing, like she's got pearls on, she's got a floral print dress, bouffant hair, they're sort of mad men looking, and she'll describe what her life was like, and I'll feel her personality and describe it to them, and they'll be like, yeah, that's Aunt Linda, and but they go back to a younger age always, especially the women. Very vain. We're very vain.

AD - Dad:

Of course.

AD - Allison:

Yeah.

AD - Dad:

This is super interesting, by the

AD - Allison:

Oh, thank you.

AD - Dad:

sure everybody tells you this, but when you bring people through, like, where are they coming from? Are there different stages of the afterlife?

AD - Allison:

Let me put you in the energy of somebody who died. They're able to see all the people that were taken from them throughout their entire life are returned to them in that moment when they die, which is amazing. But, the people that they love that are alive are also versions of their heaven, part of their heaven. They wait for us not because they're bound to us, but their heaven's not complete. That's why they stay part of our lives. For your sons, when they start driving, if they have accidents, I hear, kid you not, like 99 percent of the time people that I'm reading will all say, they buffered you in a car accident, you would have died. And they'll say, I knew it was them, I could feel them, and I somehow got thrown back into the car, and I don't know what pushed me back. And they buffer us, they try and guide us when they see us going down the wrong path. They're part of our lives, and they're waiting for us to tell them what we need from them. In other words, if your dad died, You'd say to him, dad, I still want you to be part of my life. Now you've told him what your borders and boundaries are and you're opening those up and saying, you're not disturbing me. You're not bothering me. It doesn't, it won't make me sad when you're around. It'll give me strength. I want you to be part of my life. They love that. They love hearing stories about them. Their favorite part is that their memorial when they have funny friends that tell the funny stories about them. They love that. They love that their friends love them so much and they're witnessing and didn't know they were loved as much as they are. I love seeing life through the eyes of the dead because if we looked through their eyes more often, the things we get tied up in in our own physical world lives would not seem important. So as far as the dead and how I see them, sometimes they will physically appear in front of me. Sometimes I just hear them, and they tell me. Sometimes they'll write it in, in your mind. I bet your boys could do this. When something pops into your head, and you weren't thinking of something beforehand that would lead to that thought, I bet. That's communication from the other side when it has the tone or the energy of say your mom. And you feel her energy and you see a word like a name of her sister or that means you're supposed to call her that means there's a health issue with your aunt and she wants to make sure you don't have regrets or you'll be at the grocery store and they'll want you to buy sour stomach medicine. And you're like, I don't need that. Like my stomach's fine. And you get home and your kid throws up, you know, like they try and help us out if we'd listen, but children are very easy for them to access. And that's why you'll see babies laugh as though they're being played with when there's nobody there. And you peek in on your kids and they're just giggling. And you're like, what are they laughing at? They're laughing at somebody who died that loves babies. That's playing with them. That's in your family. Okay. They'll also set off the electronic toys, the dead, like in the middle of the night. Just they're trying to get our attention so that we know they're there.

AD - Dad:

Oh, interesting. If you see the dead, is it like, you want them to come there, and then they come there, but, or is it sometimes just like, they're just there, like right now, is there some in your room?

AD - Allison:

no? I'm just in my office so there's no client in front of me that is in pain that I'm reading. So they, they don't need to be around me. They know time and a place. I'm very good with my borders and boundaries. When I first started doing this professionally, so like 28 I'd be in the kitchen baking cupcakes for my daughters. And I remember having a man in the kitchen when I turned around, I was like, Oh, Jesus. And I just looked at him. I said, your appointments at two, come back. I don't have time right now. And so he left and he came back for the reading, you know, and I brought him through. But I threw up my borders and boundaries a long time ago, so they don't ambush me. Although sometimes I will be in public with my family and I'll start laughing and describing somebody and they're like, who are you talking about? I'm like, don't you see them? And they don't. I was in the Chateau Marmont. After the Emmys, and I was with Patricia Arquette, they put us in like this sort of private area, and we're having a cocktail because Patricia won the Emmy for playing me. I mean, I was here for it. I wanted to celebrate, you know? Yeah, right? How cool is that? Someone won an award for being me. I love that. And I started drinking my champagne and I'm looking across the room in the booth and I, this guy was wearing sunglasses inside and he was in black pants, a white shirt and a black tie and I looked at her brother and I said, What is he doing here? Why is he in here? I'm like, that's so weird. I was like, why is he here? He's just staring at us. And he was like, what do you see? And I described him and I was like, and he's got sort of a black hat on and he goes, Oh, he's like John Belushi. He died here. And I was like, Oh, Yeah, that is John Belushi. That's crazy, but I do love going to historical places for that reason because I can see the ones that died. I just didn't, I'd never been to that hotel before. I didn't know that at the time, but I would say Chateau Marmont, if you want to get some activity, it's probably a pretty good place.

AD - Dad:

This might be kind of weird, like, if you say, like, you went, like, to George Washington's grave, right, would you be able to see George Washington?

AD - Allison:

See, everybody that George loved that was alive is gone. So he doesn't have as much of a reason to be here. Now with John Belushi, ironically, I think it was the same year. I ended up running into his brother Jim in the bar at Disneyland.

AD - Dad:

Okay.

AD - Allison:

I was there for the 50th anniversary. I'm sitting at the bar. He starts talking to me. He bought me a bottle of champagne. And I took it with me cause I had to go be on a, I was on a talk show that night. So I had to leave my husband and the girls to go be on this late night show. And I'm, I told him. That I saw his brother in Chateau Marmont, and he said that was his favorite place. He was not surprised. I just think, maybe John showed up because he needed his brother to know he's still around? Because I didn't know I was going to meet Jim Belushi that night. You know? You never know why they appear. Sometimes it's for a reason that's down the line. I just, I trust the dead more than the living, and it makes my life easier.

AD - Dad:

Yeah. Wow. For the dad, how does time work for them? When you say, for example, you got to come back at 2, but is time just a different

AD - Allison:

He just had to gauge it. He just had to gauge it in a living person's world. They know how to do that. They can come back. They have no sense of time. None. When you die, for instance, say, say Will lives until he's 90. He goes on the other side, he sees all his family, his friends, the dogs that died, like everything he lost throughout his life. And his happiest moment was when he was 23 when he met. So he goes back to that age. If he wants to live a version of his heaven, relive it with you, he can go back to Christmas, like the year that he was six years old and play with his brother and open toys and relive it as though it was happening for the first time. So time over there is completely differently. People want a time machine right now. Death is a time machine. When you're on the other side, you can jump around throughout your life and relive those moments as though it's for the first time. People are like, what do they do over there? It's gotta be boring. Not if you lived a great life, it's not boring.

AD - Dad:

Yeah. Wow. That's really cool. That would be pretty cool, right guys? Have a time machine on your life? We got, I got a lot of good, moments I could go, go back and revisit. Like, you winning the stuff at your school in Otter

AD - Allison:

Sure. Absolutely. Go back and claim that trophy. Yes. Oh

AD - Dad:

not? Though, now has like a person or a dead person ever told you a joke? And like, if they have, what's the best joke you've ever heard from the afterlife?

AD - Allison:

Well, one of them said, and I'll never forget, it was somebody's dad. He wasn't even a professional comedian. I said, your dad's saying it's okay for you to move. He says, you're going to move within nine months. And I said, it's okay. He says he's built to travel and she just started laughing. She's like, that's my dad. He would say something like sort of like dad joke, just like that. I have brought through professional. Which I have never written about famous people that I bring through because, that's just me protecting the clients. Unless it was something that's not such a big deal, but I became friends with Mike Myers at the, so I was spending time with him back in the day. And. We had a conversation and a couple of his friends showed up. So that was pretty cool. And to be able to repeat the joke to him and have him laugh so hard he fell off of his chair was pretty cool. So even if I died now, man, I've lived. And that's how you've got to live your life. And, and you'll have no regrets if you do that. And like with your boys, my childhood was strict. I didn't like it. Childhood was walking on eggshells. I so I grew up to be the mother I wished I'd had. And I'd go to their school for a dental appointment and pull my three girls out and I take them to the Arizona state fair and we get funnel cakes like let's go have fun because you know what, whatever they missed that day, they didn't end up needing cause they all graduated in three years from college anyways, but they'll remember going to the fair with their mom.

AD - Dad:

Right. Yeah, got to enjoy the ride. I

AD - Allison:

that's right.

AD - Dad:

We want to respect your time, so we'll, we'll maybe a couple other things. But I am curious of your thoughts knowing what you do about how the universe works and energy and everything. I think about topics like resuscitation is one and then reincarnation is another.

AD - Allison:

That's really interesting. You know how people, I'm just comparing it on a soul level. I don't mean any disrespect, we have a lot of pain over even a pet when you have to put a pet to sleep. I've had pets that have, they'll say, thank you for releasing me from my pain, so that we don't carry that with us because they didn't want to suffer anymore And for people who are kept alive on machines, if there's a chance that they could wake up and still be intact, I'm all for letting them heal, see what happens. I'm not pulling a plug anytime soon on my husband. If he's in that condition, if there's any chance, if there's no chance of brain activity, like there's no chance that they're ever going to be able to come back the way they were. They understand and they don't want to live in that state of suspension is how they see it. Just as people who are in, they're quadriplegic or have cerebral palsy, something along those lines where it affects them. How they think, or, you know, anything that affects you on more of a mental level, the spirit wants out. This goes for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, they don't want it, and they don't want to be in it just so we can be comfortable that we kept them alive as long as they could possibly live. In a way, it's sort of selfish that we do that. My grandma had Parkinson's. It was her biggest fear to lose her faculties because she was a Rosie the Riveter, five foot ten, redhead, super sharp. And I watched her over like nine years deteriorate and live her worst nightmare. And if I could have stopped that, I would have. When people say I'm keeping them alive, because they'd want me to. It's like, well, do they, I think people need to have that conversation with their partners and their families to make sure that whatever it is that they want is carried out. I do know that people who are in comas can hear us. And they're telepathic, because that's the way souls communicate, the ones that have passed, and ones in our body that are trapped there in coma can talk to somebody in a coma. So any psychic can hear thoughts, as long as they're really good at it, because that's a lot of responsibility. But sometimes they will be saying, don't pull the plug. Good. You know, when they know they're going to come out, sometimes people are a little too quick

AD - Dad:

Okay.

AD - Allison:

Cause I've read a lot of wives that like remarried within six months after the death. And I'm like, why

AD - Dad:

that could happen. Yep.

AD - Allison:

aren't you devastated? Some aren't some aren't, you'd be shocked. I hear a lot of secrets. And as, as far as reincarnation goes, have you ever been drawn to a time period and a place in the past, a lot of people will feel somehow like they'd been there before. So for sure I was a dude and it was probably tombstone someplace like that. And I definitely had a gun on my hip and I think I was a womanizer and I think I, that's why I'm in this body. Wouldn't that be karmic?

AD - Dad:

I'm confused. I'm very confused on what's happening between you

AD - Allison:

you're, it's because, okay, so Will Max, as you get older, you're going to be drawn to places and times, and it may not be anything you feel now. It usually starts in our early adulthood where an awareness sort of kicks in. Where we just feel like we've been there. It just seems so familiar to us and most adults if you ask them Will know that and they'll have a place that they name So I do believe if you haven't finished what you were here to do and you didn't evolve on a soul level You can come back to take that journey again And it probably won't be an easy journey and you'll be met with the same challenges, but you're given the opportunity to grow

AD - Dad:

I see.

AD - Allison:

I do, I do believe in reincarnation on that level. And we'll Max, just so you know, I'm super jealous that you guys are so wonderfully young. You're going to be so handsome and you're going to have girls chasing you and you're just going to have a fantastic life. But when I see kids, they're just all these stories waiting to be written. And they, they shine so bright, like their light radiates. And I'm always telling parents, I'm like, if your kid doesn't like somebody, Instinctively or they trust them. They're the best barometers of good people. When a kid is repelled by someone, listen to them. They know, but they're feeling it on a soul level. It's not even anything they're doing in their head. They just sense it. And as we get older, we sense less because we grow this more.

AD - Dad:

Kids have great instincts, do you think people don't trust their instincts enough sometimes?

AD - Allison:

Absolutely. I think people are mostly afraid to hurt other people's feelings. And so they override what their innate, their inner core is telling them, that warning that's trying to save you. Because they don't want to hurt someone's feelings. So I raised my girls saying, hey, if somebody makes you uncomfortable, be loud. You can hurt their feelings. Don't you worry about it. I have your back. You have my permission to do what you need to do to get out of any given situation. was somebody that resonates with you as danger. And so my girls grew up knowing what roofies are, Rohypnol, they grew up knowing all my girlfriends were cops or DAs that were always trying to teach them different self defense tactics. And so they grew up around. This life and a lot of mothers, this was back in 2005, but would say you're a helicopter mom or, your kids, they're not going to feel any freedom. And I said, I let them have whoever they want over and have sleepovers. I will take them anywhere they want to go. They have a playroom, they have everything a kid could want. But I'm not sending him to someone's house that I just know the mother a little bit and maybe there's a weird cousin that's there or the brother's got a weird friend. These are my children. And I said, I live like there is a pedophile next door. That's how I lived my life with them. And you know what? My kids were fine. I always trust my instincts or I wouldn't be alive now when I was 17 and we actually have a picture of this When I was 17, I was staying at my friend Susie's house, and I went out with my friend Barbara. And I'd known Barbara since junior high. And I went out with Barbara, and right before we left, I pushed my bed away from the south wall over to the east wall. And she said, why did you do that? And I said, that voice told me to move it. And she was like, you're so weird. And then, like, we just went out. That night we came home and went to sleep because she, I was having a sleepover, so she stayed the night and a truck drove through my bedroom wall that night and where I had moved the bed from the truck was all the way in my room and it missed my head. On the bed, I'd moved over here, you know, by inches, and we had cylinder blocks that poured down on top of us, but we were okay, and she was drinking and driving. But I've always listened to this voice. It saved my life more than a couple times, and so I will always listen I've always sensed that it cares. That it's something good. And so I listen. And if you have a similar instance or experience, you sort of test it to see, how it feels, but there was just always this innate, I was certain it was in my corner. Like there was no question that it was a bad thing. Energy like trying to mislead me This was an energy that was trying to get me away from two bad guys that wanted me in the car at 11 Like what grown men want an 11 year old girl in the car? Well, we know this voice Had me move my bed and saved not just my life my friend barbara. We would have been under the truck

AD - Dad:

Are there dark energy voices that will come to people too?

AD - Allison:

Normally, they gravitate to people that have similar energy to them

AD - Dad:

Okay.

AD - Allison:

Like energy is drawn to like energy, and it's the same on the other side. It's why killers are never around their victims again, because they're a different energy. They sink to a different level. I've seen in the beginning when I first started doing this professionally, some what I'd call mischievous and negative entities, which are really freaky to sink, see, because they don't really look human. So what I said was to my family on the other side, please block any mischievous or negative entities from coming near me or my family. And I, I probably brush up on that like once a year just to reinforce it, just to make sure. But since then I haven't had any problems. It's a borders and boundaries issue. Your loved ones that have died can help you with that. Because they can adjust energies and so I don't have that problem. But if your boys, for instance, had a friend and the friend would come over and play at your house and maybe this friend, maybe his dad hits him. That victim energy that the kid would have is a lower frequency energy. It's not his fault. It's just what it is. And darker energies become drawn to that. Same with people who are drug addicts. Dark energy, low lying energy. They're the ones that usually pull that kind of energy. Your kids, that would be very unlikely they'd ever pull anything like that. They're gonna get grandma visiting and, maybe feel their dog jump up on the bed and, leaves an impression on the bed.

AD - Dad:

This has been one of the coolest conversations we've ever had for sure. Something I know we won't forget. Well, with that, we'll wrap up the podcast. But, before we do, Allison, any parting wisdom for our audience that you'd want to leave us with? Yeah.

AD - Allison:

who you are. Know who you are, live your truth. Don't bring victim energy into your life. I notice there's a lot of people that draw in what I call fixer uppers. They feel like they need to fix somebody and it just sucks the life out of 20 years pass, but people often will bring in those who are victims that create their own. Problems? Like they're the creator of the issue and then they act like the victim and I just see people waste their lives. Don't marry someone unless you're sure, if you feel like you can't breathe that they don't love you, walk down the aisle. Otherwise, maybe walk away because I've had a lot of clients that say they knew before they walked down the aisle that it wasn't the one. It's like, don't waste your life that way either. To those out there that are afraid to have kids because they're expensive I find it a much bigger expense to get to the end of your life. And not have any children there because children are what our lives are all about. They add so much happiness and value and like they are life. So for the people that are afraid to have kids, the thought of my kids not ever being here is much scarier to me than any amount of money. So I just wish people would look at life with and be a little bit more of a freer thinker and not follow the herd. And it just seems that a lot of people do follow the herd. So I don't know, maybe they'll learn something from the dead, you know?

AD - Dad:

Yeah. Good. I love that. That is great advice because victim energy seems to be propagating unfortunately in society. So I think staying away from that and not being susceptible. That's great. And then kids I can say is. I'm here with my two kids that nothing has brought me more purpose or happiness in life and and this life and beyond, I'm sure it will be the case. It's amazing. And as we wrap up, Allison, is there a place we can go to get access to your resources and your services? Where would you want to send people?

AD - Allison:

It's just alisondubois. com or they can email booking at alisondubois. com if they want to book a reading. So that's pretty straightforward,

AD - Dad:

Alright, perfect. Well, we will drop that into the description for the audience. I hope they reach out. This has been a tremendous podcast, an incredible experience. We appreciate you. We are also Arizona residents, and so it's always great to talk to people that are local as well.

AD - Allison:

state 48. Love it.

AD - Dad:

Woohoo! stay cool, Allison, and thanks so much.

AD - Allison:

You're very welcome.

AD - Dad:

Goodbye. Thank you.

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