Andrew and Eli are back! We have some new music reviews and news. We also have an update on the Pestilence AI album cover fiasco. We also welcome Brian Zimmerman from ATROPHY on the pod. The conversation was in depth and covered the span of almost 40 years!
Andrew and Eli are back! We have some new music reviews and news. We also have an update on the Pestilence AI album cover fiasco. We also welcome Brian Zimmerman from ATROPHY on the pod. The conversation was in depth and covered the span of almost 40 years!
Hey everyone, it's March and you are listening to the third episode of RIFs Across Generations. I'm your host, andrew, and I'm here with my co-host.
Speaker 2:Eli.
Speaker 1:So, eli, like I said, it's March, and down here in Florida, that means one thing right it means the beginning of allergy season. It's especially bad right now down here if you are allergic to oak trees and we have, like some in our yard, a lot in our yard actually, and we got a rainstorm last night and that pushed all the pollen out and everything's green. The cars are green, the driveway's green, everything's kind of crazy and it's really raising cane a lot right now with our health issues. How are your allergies doing right now, eli?
Speaker 2:Not good, not good.
Speaker 1:Not good, they're so bad. Last night, unfortunately, we ended up missing a great concert that we wanted to go see with Frog Mallet and Trash Panda because of these damn allergies.
Speaker 2:Yeah bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pretty bad. Well, besides the chaos and sniffles and we helped to get Frog Mallet I messaged Frog Mallet for the show and we wanted to hook up with them at the show and then get them on the pod later on when they get off tour. Hopefully we can still get Frog Mallet onto the pod when they get dead done touring with Trash Panda. But besides the chaos and the sniffles and the weeping eyes and the sinus infections, we do have some new metal releases to let you all know about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but before that, Rufus Across Generations is celebrating women led or women in metal. The first post we did was for a great band from New York named Castrider. They play old school death metal with no bullcrap attached. We'll be posting great women in the metal scene throughout the month on our Facebook page.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was our first one. We've done a couple. Yesterday and today we just put one up for Laurie Bravo, who was in the great death noise band Nuclear Death. Then before that, yesterday we posted one for Terry B, who was in Manhole and Toursatana and a few other bands. Both Laurie and Terry B are doing new music and of course, castrider are still probably touring. They seem like a band that's always going to be touring and playing now. Those ladies, we saw them a while ago and they were in no bullcrap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Like Eli said yeah.
Speaker 1:So let's get on some new releases, shall we Eli?
Speaker 2:Yeah, shall.
Speaker 1:So Deaside has a couple new songs that they launched on digital platforms for their upcoming album. Two songs that they released were Sever, the Tongue, and Berry, the Cross with your Christ.
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Speaker 1:They launched several the Tongue on Ash Wednesday, which was pretty on brand for Deicide. They just released Barry the Cross with your Christ a few days ago. Founder Glenn Betten and Steve Ahime remain and are joined in the material by returning guitarist Kevin Kearon and Taylor Nordberg. I'm probably messing up everybody's name, because that's what I do I mess up people's names. Sometimes I can't even get your name right, eli. Taylor Nordberg is somewhat of a musical wizard on guitars and engineering of music. You all might know him from his drumming. Yes, he also plays drumming, plays drums in a band called Gore Gang. Then he has a lot of guitar work with the band In Human Condition. Both these new Deicide songs are classic sounding Deicide songs with raging double bass, driving guitar, glenn Betten's deep layers of growls. It amazed me how long this band has been writing tunes. They can still come out with songs that sound like Deicide yet have a more modern spin and feel to them and just, they're hard hitting and very memorable. So lyrically though, eli, lyrically, what should we expect from Deicide this time around?
Speaker 2:Just everything against religion and Christianity, just everything against that. Some of the lyrics of the song are Never the tongue, never the tongue of Christ, never to speak, never to speak God's name, never the tongue, never the tongue of Christ. Never to speak, never to speak God's name again.
Speaker 1:Yes, so it's about what I think we expected to be about. Right, no big wow's there. I guess that's what do you expect from Glenn Betten, who does have the infamous upside down crossburn in his head. Right Next up, here's some music from a new 72 Legions album. What a God Could Be.
Speaker 4:This is the song from Theaminelli's Black anderer cookies by the jubilant of hope on the end of its path.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely upgrade. They recorded the five songs they originated with the old vocalist on an earlier EP, recorded them, remixed them and they dropped them into this album. Those are great tunes but the productions way better and they did some structure changes on a couple of those songs this time around and added five more songs to it this album.
Speaker 2:The new songs are phenomenal Chugging death metal with beautiful guitar playing via power Power, progressive guitarist current and they really stand out on the tune deceiving the DE.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a really good song where you can hear how good of a guitarist is and how talented current is. The fourth song on the album also stands out in my opinion the downfall of man. It has wicked time changes and has an anthem like sound bringing me back to the early Nile material, and also has that big black metal feel to it. And actually that sound appears a couple times in the album but it really stands out in downfall for a man. It's downfall of a man. The more listen to the song, to the album, there's just a lot of musical layers that are super deep and the production is definitely top-notch of this album.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm. Yeah, currently we know that 72 legions is on their Europe tour, but we're looking 100% forward to them coming back to the States and seeing them again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I definitely am hoping they pick up you know good tour and come back here to Tampa so we can see them again. New music from Russian bands slaughtered prevail. I know this band has a pretty big following. They just released a new single called conflict. Here are some of that. You своих.
Speaker 4:I'm a fighter, I'm a shield, I'm a soldier, I'm a fighter, I'm a shield, I'm fighting MOOOOOOON. You don't Definitely be my friend. You don't, definitely don't be my friend. You don't Definitely be my friend. You don't you die. I'm fucking full of games right now. And you shut the fuck up and go, fuck boy.
Speaker 1:That's pretty wicked sounding Eli.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this song just crazy like follows all of their previous songs and how their crazy deathcore band. There are few English, like most of this song. All the lyrics are in Russian, but there are few English lines in the song and some of them are. I'm effing full of hatred right now and you shut the eff up and go walk boy. That's some of the lyrics from that song.
Speaker 2:And now the band has announced that they're going on three tour dates in the US. And, as the band stated, the time has come, dear friends. The band is set to go on their biggest and most violent headline shows in the US. And also, as the band stated, we're cranking it up to 11 and delivering the longest, most face-smelting set you ever experienced. Lights will flash, fx will explode and you'll be engulfed in unforgettable whirlwind of chaos and mayhem. Get ready to headbang until your neck begs for mercy.
Speaker 2:But that's not all, friends. We're summoning a strong support lineup that will be unveiled soon, pramarsing to add even more fire to this inferno. Oh, and do we mention there's an unrelenting and brutal chunk of new music lurking in the shadows, ready to pound before these epic shows. So mark your calendars, set your alarms and summon your metal brethren, because these shows are going to be legendary and there are a few dates, as I mentioned three, and the first one is 4-26 Los Angeles, california, at the Palladium, and then the second show they'll be playing is 4-30 Denver, colorado, at the Mission Ballroom, and then the last show that they'll be playing on this list will be 5-15 Brooklyn, new York, at Brooklyn Paramount.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that kind of sucks if there's only three dates.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That really bums me out. I was looking online at tickets on those three dates and who they were playing with and they haven't even announced who they're playing with and tickets are almost all the way sold out already in those venues.
Speaker 2:Big band.
Speaker 1:Big crazy band too, with the masks and the fireworks going off and the screaming, and that dude was like. You shared that video with me. With that dude, the lead singer was screaming without a mic.
Speaker 2:You could hear him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could hear him with the music crazy band, crazy Russians. Are you like crazy Russians?
Speaker 2:They're Russians.
Speaker 1:Next up we have a new release from a band called Job for a Cowboy, and the album is Moon Healer. Here's some music off that.
Speaker 4:The band is calling date with the new powers. Iron man is exudes the law of the Tuesday, the month of the following. Now it's a loss. I listen, I date. You'll be the king, now that you've done nothing more.
Speaker 3:And I'm afraid, biting the hour, I'm going to be a thorn in the core.
Speaker 4:The band is calling out of nowhere, as in out right alone.
Speaker 1:It's been a hot minute, since we've heard from these technical crazy guys. Well, 10 years to be exact. Another band that took a long hiatus we talked about those last podcast few, there was a few that took a 10 year stint off. Music Job for Cowboy started off, if you don't know about it, and they started about 20 years ago as a deathcore band. At that time, the band members were 15 and 16 years old, so they've held the core, and those dudes have been together in this band for a long time. They quickly mastered their instruments, though, and took us down a path of three full technical albums, and now we find ourselves in the fourth album.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these guys are really good musicians who have to play aggressive, complicated like progressive, technical, like death thrash, deathcore, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, every musician on this album stands out, especially the bass player, nick. I'm going to kill his last name, shend Zylos. He's everywhere in these songs. You can hear him popping and the bass really goes off. He's got a lot of bass runs. It's never hidden in the mix, which I really like where the bass stands out. Tony Choi would be very proud of this guy and what he's doing.
Speaker 1:The drumming is also really technical and good on this. There's a lot of double bass and tricky rhythms and the drummer does really good tom work on this. And then the guitars, of course. If you've heard anything from this band, they're A plus of deep grooves, whimsical, classical sounding music as toppings. One of the standout songs, the Sun Gave Me Ashes, so I Saw Out the Moon. It's a sheer, breathtaking, brilliant song. There's so many breaks and grooves and that bass sound that just keeps walking up and down the frets at the scales throughout the song is crazy sounding. If you're a fan of technical music, you know the type of music that two musicians geek out about, or if you love some grooving progressive tunes, then this is the album that you probably have been waiting a while to hear. Ten out of ten for me. This album, I think, is going to be one of those that we're talking about 10 years from now, being one of the legendary progressive heavy albums.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Next, we stumbled across a band called Worst Doubt and they just released an EP called Immortal Pain. Here's a little bit of that. They're from the streets in New York City and the year is 1990. No wait, that's not correct. Worst doubt is actually a super aggressive hardcore band with a lot of raw metal riffing. If that wasn't enough, worst doubt hail from Paris, france. The band sings in English. They're angry as hell and have created a masterful EP full of chunks, grooves and guttural screams.
Speaker 1:This is the band's third release A couple full lengths and now this EP. It caught me totally off guard when I stumbled upon it and started listening to it. It gave me the feel of those bands that were in the 90s in the New York City Boston area, but has that modern, more aggressive, fuller feel than those hardcore bands had. Hopefully this band will make it to the state someday. If not, enjoy this Again. I've only given it a couple listens, but this is a very good EP from a band that I'm very happy I stumbled across. Okay, let's talk about some music news, shall we?
Speaker 2:We shall.
Speaker 1:Do you remember talking about the cover of the last Pestilence album?
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that album was called Levels of Perception and I am happy to announce from a statement from Pestilence regarding the AI cover. If you don't know, pestilence released this album and the cover was made completely by AI, he said first off, let me be absolutely clear about the fact that both band and record companies still love this cover. Also, the artist that created this art did not let the computer generate this picture, which I don't know if that's totally true. He used multiple methods to come to the result. I think last time we talked about him just feeding words and explanations or image into a system and into an AI program and that pushed out the cover.
Speaker 1:But the point, going back to what Patrick was saying, but the point I'm getting at is this I will not risk all the work we have put into this release just to push the cover. We care a lot about our fans and we do not want this product not to succeed just because we want to push our ideas. Regarding AI, we have always stood at the forefront of game changing events within the DM scene death, middle scene, whether it's music or, in this case, a cover. Maybe the timing is just not right, so we chose the middle way. This should make people more open to the monster of a release that we have planning for year all. So, yeah, I think that was the right thing to do. I think you got massive amount of pushback from musicians and artists and fans, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm hoping that any other band that's feeling that they can go this way. Especially in heavy music that's so tightly knit to artists and musicians, they go hand in hand. I hope, moving forward, that all these bands remember this and are using real people to create their albums, their album covers.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, eli, do you remember 40 years ago?
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 1:You don't.
Speaker 2:I don't remember 40 years ago now.
Speaker 1:I was really young 40 years ago, but I was alive and I was just starting to get into heavy music maybe not these 40 years ago, but I was starting to really start to listen to it. It was more Kiss and ACDC, I guess, at that time for me. So Decibel Magazine put together a party celebrating 40 year birthdays of some very classic albums. You want to talk about those little videos that you want to hear about them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one of the albums was released by Merciful Fate and it was Melissa. This classic was recorded on a shoestring budget in two weeks in Copenhagen. Hank Sherman and Michael Denner really showcased what a metal guitarist can create with this offering.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a beautiful album. It sounded like that album. If you go back and listen to it now and, eli, I'm going to make you listen to it in a little bit it sounds like very ahead of its time and it sounds like the production was. Millions of dollars was spent on the production. It was done so well, but they went in, they recorded and mixed and everything down and pushed it out in two weeks and of course, the lead singer of Merciful Fate is King Diamond. So, yeah, he had it. This was before he went out on his own Merciful Fate, one of those classic bands.
Speaker 1:Another album that came out was Black Sabbath Born Again. Again, this is not a classic Sabbath album, right? Nobody would say this is the classic Sabbath album you should listen to. It's not even Deo Sabbath. This album had the vocals of the great Ian Gillen from Deep Purple on it Great album. But again, it's one of those albums that were kind of not Aussie and not Deo Deo just left. So they were trying to piece some stuff together and I read that rumors had it that Ian Gillen agreed to sing on the Black Sabbath album while he was drunk and didn't remember it in the morning and it went against all of his management contracts and there was some hoopla about that. But he went ahead and kept his commitment and did the album with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and Motorhead released Another Perfect Day. This was, of course, not a quintessential Motorhead album, but it was their most prominent attempt at getting into mainstream. This was their first album without Fast Eddie Clark on guitar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fast, eddie Clark left and they brought in the guitarist from I think it was Thin Lizzie came on and it was a more tamed down Motorhead album. But again, it was one of those Motorhead albums that stick out, and maybe not for a reason that it was a great Motorhead album. It was definitely not an Ace of Spade type Motorhead albums, but it sticks out because it was kind of a departure from Motorhead's albums were up to that point. Another album that came out that nobody can ignore, and I think everybody's heard, is Metallica's Kill'em All. This album has sold over 99 million copies. But that wasn't always the case. The original classic was pressed in batches of 500. They didn't know how Metallica would do so. They just pressed 500 at a time until they got to I believe it was like 17,000. And then they started doing mass production on that album.
Speaker 2:And there's also Dio's Holy Diver album. This album was an album Dio did right after we left Black Sabbath. Actually, this was one of the most lyrically inspirational metal albums featuring Dio's great vocals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, never match. This is I remember I remember when this came out. I was listening to this when it came out and I remember just hearing it over and over and over again and cassette tape and being wowed by Dio's vocal range on it. Great album, classic album. You've heard a lot of the songs in the album too, right I have. Yeah, we've played it here pretty frequently Also, 40 years ago, slayer released a show no mercy. This was pre-Rain and Blood Slayer. This is right before the breakout of Slayer and it still commands some of the greatest song Slayer wrote, like Black Magic, the Antichrist and Evil's Evil has no Boundaries. So it's really pushed, started pushing up against how fast a band can play and how aggressive and mean they can sound.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's also Venom's Welcome to Hell. This album was an album that scared parents of suburban kids to death. Yeah, Satanic Panic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this might have been that album that spurred on the Satanic Panic of the 80s, right? So this is a crazy album. We saw Venom Inc a while ago.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they played some songs off this, but then they couldn't play some of the other songs for some reason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sure it was down to copyright. Yeah, d&d was all banned. Like parents were scared of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe in that future part we'll talk about that whole Satanic Panic. What a time to be alive. Yeah you weren't alive, though.
Speaker 2:I wasn't alive.
Speaker 1:No, no, Nope. So 40 years ago in metal was pretty good, huh Eli?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I don't remember any of it, it was good for you.
Speaker 1:It was pretty good.
Speaker 2:All of Slayer.
Speaker 1:You did miss, but they're back so maybe you won't miss all of Slayer. Maybe we'll be able to catch Slayer they played like they played like what? Like one show two shows, three shows. Yeah, three shows. None of them are here. Not yet. They'll end up here.
Speaker 2:And the next year probably.
Speaker 1:Well, you'll be alive still.
Speaker 2:I would yeah. I think I'm hearing it out Next up.
Speaker 1:We're gonna dig into it. I think this is gonna be a regular on the pod here. We're gonna try to get to really underground releases, maybe bands that haven't broken out of their region yet, right. So a lot of the bands we're gonna be talking about are regional type bands that still are in the demo phase and they're gonna start shaping, but we see them as possible breakout bands. This might be the next band that gets signed by a centromedia or a Massacre Records or something like that. And first band we're gonna talk about under this new, truly underground releases is a band called Hate the Adversary and this is a song called Keep the Distance. This is a new song by them. Give it a listen here.
Speaker 1:So this band has been making a lot of noise up in the Northeast area. They're from the Albany Western Mass area of the country. Right now they're playing a lot of shows. I've just seen that that it seems like it's a few shows a month and they're starting to push out from that some New York shows and some Connecticut shows and and still like have their Albany core that they're building and they're getting a nice following. This music, this song, maybe missed the Northeast pits. Honestly, there's a death metal backbone to the music, which doesn't surprise me. The bassist and one of the guitarists were in a band close to my heart, yeah yeah. So Steve Feith and little bastard Mowinni played in a band called Klot many years ago and they bring that death metal backbone with big grooves. Steve has always been great at writing big grooves on his bass. You throw that in a mix with some New York hardcore sounding I know that a lot of the band members are hardcore fans up there you spin it in a blender, you make it sound modern and here you go.
Speaker 1:Here's Hate the Adversary. There's a lot of breakdowns in this song either. Right, but not in that chump way. It's not like we're going to stop everything and bring it up and bring it down. You know paint by numbers type type stuff. There's a lot of sizzle to each song out to this song anyways. Vocalist Nick Lanin has one of those powerful behind the music type voices and it's hard for me to describe that, but he feels a lot of the void not even void, but a lot of the power behind the music, kind of like a butter melting onto toast. So he just kind of uses his voice to fit into that.
Speaker 1:Music Sounds great. Everything on the song is top notch. They just put the song up on all digital platforms we just found out tonight, so that's great that you can listen to it. I know they have an album coming out. We're definitely looking forward to that. So keep in mind Hate the Adversary from the Albany Upstate, new York area. Great band, great sound, and I think we're getting close to this next party right. So before we get to the interview with a great Brian Zimmerman from Leedsinger of Atrophy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was a great interview we did a couple of days ago and we're popping here at the end, like we normally do, on Riffs Cross Generations. But before that, thanks for listening. Please give us a like on whatever pod catcher you're listening to us on. Give us a follow, subscribe to it. All that costs $0. And then, if you're on Facebook or Instagram, get out and get after us on those Facebook. We post a lot of interesting stuff. Like again, march is women in metal and we're going to try to post every day a new. Not a new, I guess, but a woman who has really pushed the boundaries. Anyways, thanks for listening. The interview's up next. Anything you want to say about this interview before we get into it Eli.
Speaker 2:I don't have anything to say.
Speaker 1:You don't have anything to say.
Speaker 2:I do not.
Speaker 1:What do you think of Brian?
Speaker 2:Great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was great. Yeah, the new Atrophy songs are great. Yeah, there's nothing bad I can say about those new Atrophy songs. If you haven't heard them yet, go after them. That new Atrophy album is dropping in a couple of weeks. Before we get to the interview, we're going to pop off a few Atrophy songs here the new songs. You can listen to them. Maybe I'll throw in an older one, piece of an older one here. What's your favorite Atrophy song?
Speaker 2:Eli, the new ones are great, the old ones are great. Don't really have a favorite.
Speaker 1:No, not beer bong.
Speaker 2:No, I was about to say beer bong. That's the first thing that came to mind Beer bong. Okay, everyone Go pit down.
Speaker 1:Thanks a lot for listening and we're out of here now, but listen to our discussion with Brian coming up in a second right after these Atrophy songs. Say bye, Eli.
Speaker 4:Bye-bye ["Evil Will Flow"]. Sighting waves have been another killing. Desensitize to the blood that's spilling. I can hear the voices call me from the grave. I can see the sadness reaching on the pace. I can see the news to me. It's happening again. The weapon used for war is trying to march on against the kids. That's a monster, loose. He's a white man. Army what you want, I said. And they're still counting as a pain of descent. They wait for answers. Who shall survive? No, such a gamble too long. No too long. Lost your time? No too much and no. If you can't make it, then shoot your man. Final burn, just freeze. Black label no, such a gamble too long. No too much, and no, if you can't make it, then shoot your man. No, such a gamble too much, and no, if you can't make it, then shoot your man. No, such a gamble too much, and no, if you can't make it, then shoot your man.
Speaker 1:No, such a gamble too much. And no, if you can't make it, then shoot your man. Hey, everyone, welcome back to the pod. I'm here with Atrofree frontman Brian Zimmerman, I'm your host, andrew, and this is my sidekick, eli Hi.
Speaker 1:So this podcast is so you know, we try to bring old school thrash death and mix it up with some new, new kind of thrash and death metal bands that are out there. Everything's pretty heavy but we kind of try to, as in the name, riffs across generations. We try to take my generation and my son's generation, eli, here and kind of mash them together. And Atrofree is a perfect fix for that, coming from, you know, when I was young, to him now listening to your new stuff. So that's where we're coming from and that's. That's a base of the pod, cool.
Speaker 1:So I guess with us we'll start, you know, we'll do a little bit of older history and then we'll come up to the great new album. We'll talk about that pretty much in depth. So let's start and go all the way back to 1987. You guys put a couple demos together and then it seemed like things accelerated pretty quick for you guys, especially the interviews I've heard you do over the years. Does that seem accurate that it just came from like a couple demos, put them out there and then then it kind of exploded from there?
Speaker 5:Yeah, so we only did one demo we did. So we got Chris I'm sorry was Chris me and James? And then we wanted to get a double bass drummer and we found Tim and he had a friend, Rick, that he was playing with and I started playing guitar in this band and I moved to vocals because we wanted another solo guitar player and I didn't do that. So I started singing and after we found Tim and Rick, we had a talk and said, you know, we wanted to really try to give it a go and try to make you know something professional about it. Anyways, we got together and I think we had, you know, I think we had four or five songs written, and so we went to the studio and we recorded Chemical Deventazey and we sent that off to. We couldn't solicit the record labels at the time, that was a big no, no.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 5:And so we talked about it and we decided well, we just send all our demos to all the great magazines that were out back then. And we did that and the buzz was instantaneous. The next month saw the magazines came out and I think we were in every damn one we sent it to, which was amazing, and that got some huge buzz. And we went up to Phoenix to meet Gloria Bujanowski, who's now Gloria Cavalera, and asked if she wanted to manage us. And we gave her the demo tape and she said she didn't think anything of it, she just put it up on the mantle or whatever.
Speaker 5:And her son, dana, who was 12 at the time, took it in his room and listened to it. He's like, holy shit, mom, you got to listen to this. And anyways, we got her managing us and she was also managing Sacred Rock at the time and our first show after that demo was released that we ever played outside of Tucson. We'd only done one show. We did a showcase for three record labels and we obviously chose to go with Road Racer and about six months after that give or take, we were off to LA to record a full length album, nice.
Speaker 1:So it did seem like it went pretty quick and crazy and that's a testament to your music, right? Your music and your lyrics and your vocals, I think. So that first album had Preacher, preacher, killing Machine, product of the Past. Those are all my favorite songs off that album Back then. Was there such thing as a single off the album? Did you pre-release any music before the album actually came out? Or, in my memory, I went to the record store and I bought the cassette tape and it was just an experience listening to the whole cassette.
Speaker 5:Oh cool. No, we didn't get an opportunity to do that back then, but on the second album we released a song. Well, we released a bunch of songs, but the one the label. I take that back. I think the record label did a. I remember them doing a little cassette tape and it had a little boy with a gun and I think it had Killing Machine on it and maybe Chemical and another song and I think they just sent it around, but it was just some cheap paper insert. I have no idea who did the artwork for it and there might be a couple floating around. Actually, on the second album go ahead, oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say I did a start of the Fanzi in a couple of years after I saw you guys and we would get typically those from a record label. They're singles, but they call them KSingles.
Speaker 4:And yeah, what we got promoting.
Speaker 1:I didn't know if it was back. You know, predating when I was doing the Fanzi and that labels would do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5:So, and when we did a Violin by Nature, the label actually released vinyl. I have one downstairs and it's a. I think it's just a white album cover and it has a purple logo on it. I think they did it only had two or three songs on it, like Puppies and Friends and Violin by Nature, and they sent all that and that was a promotional thing, and there are a few of them in existence. I've seen a few Nice.
Speaker 1:Nice. So that year after you released the album you went on tour with Sacred Riker US tour, and as I was reading back on it I was looking at some of the old flyers and bands you played with. It was the heyday of Thrash Metal. I mean, you guys seem to play with a bunch of my favorite bands from that era, like Eviction, not a Pittsburgh Dead Horse out of Houston, dead Orchestra out of Wichita, kansas. When you see the scene now and you look at the partnerships that bands have and their playing because back then I assumed a lot of bands had respect for each other and they're kind of growing up and building the scene together Does it feel like that now to you? Or does social media and all the digital stuff do you see the scene breaking apart still?
Speaker 5:I think everybody's kind of out for themselves because it's so hard to exist in this day and age, because everything's gotten so expensive For us. For example, our record label doesn't really give you a lot of money for recording and as I'm going to ask them, but I don't know this for sure but label support isn't there like it used to be, so you really have to go out and just stay focused on what you're doing and look after your band. Back then, Gloria put us and Sacred Right together because she was managing both of us and I believe they were on Metal Blade at the time. So we each got some money for tour support and we chipped in on a tour bus and we went.
Speaker 1:Nice, yeah, that was the first metal band I saw in a club. Was actually you? No, king.
Speaker 1:Wow yeah, so great memories of that era. I was like 16 at the time. Nice yeah, so great show. I remember it Anyways.
Speaker 1:So after that first album, you released your second album. I remember that's when Atrophy got put on a pedestal. That's when she got real real for Atrophy, from my point of view. I remember all the hype and I remember seeing like every magazine had ads for you guys and we're doing interviews and I just seem like you guys were everywhere and I think that's one of the best metal albums ever written. Wow yeah, that was a great and it's not only written musically, but I think the lyrics really shine through and it wasn't what a lot of the thrash metal bands back there, and there was no Satan, there was no that kind of stuff thrown in. It was really well thought out lyrics.
Speaker 1:So you know, at that time I appreciated that. You know bands were sticking to or coming up with actual social issues that they were talking about. Sure, and then you guys, after that you did I think you did a US tour with again a couple of my other favorite bands that I think are super underrated, with forced entry and corner yeah, yeah, so that I didn't get to see that. So I'm bummed about that, but I learned about that. And then you guys headed off to Europe Correct? Yeah, yeah, any good stories from from that tour or going over to Europe, or what was that like?
Speaker 5:So, yeah, I mean hanging out with corner and getting to play with those guys. They're, you know, they're a three piece band and I just I'm like how are they going to pull this off? You know, because I've heard, heard the album and I'm like how are they going to do this? And they did it. They were really tight, very technical. Their guitar player, Tommy, at the time he was just phenomenal. I mean wow. So I tell this story probably too much, but so we went over to Europe and we started touring and we had a day off and Gloria suggested we all go to a club and we went to Bradford, England, and we had a day off. So we went to this place called the Wheaton and and we walked in there and I immediately went to the urinal and this guy was standing at the middle urinal and he, he was like six, six and I'm six, two and I'm like and he says, hey, what brings you broke? And I used to have this really crazy metal jacket with the dragon on it.
Speaker 5:It had spikes all over it and but anyways, a sacred went in with us and I remember Phil brought in this plastic because our saxophone and he was just being silly and playing his saxophone and I, on the way out, I talked to our drummer and I said dude, I don't like this place, I'm going back to the bus. So I walked back to the tour bus and within 10 minutes our roadie, scott Goody, came running in and he had blood all over his face and Gloria was in a panic and they had taken Phil Ryan and pulled his leather jacket over his head and threw him through a plate glass window. Wow.
Speaker 5:So my understanding was that we were in England's version of the Hell's Angels bar Great and they did not welcome us being on their turf. So, yeah, that got a little blurb on MTV, I believe.
Speaker 1:Crazy and Phil. From what I know of him, I interviewed him back during my fan scene days but he's a pretty laid back guy. Right Is a pretty chill guy.
Speaker 5:Yeah, he's not after trouble with anybody. He's just very chill and they just didn't like that we were. You know, I've heard that. You know, I think he had a back patch of sacred rite on there and wearing colors in another bar where bikers are is a no-no. Yeah, and I think that may have spurred it on. Or the plastic saxophone, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe combo of both. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What was it like being signed back then? Did bands actually make money from their music or by touring?
Speaker 5:So we didn't get a lot of money from record labels. So if we got I'm just going to throw a number out $25,000 for the first record, we'd go out to California and record and if you came in under budget, well, where'd that money go? We didn't see it. And then we'd go out and then we would get, like I said, we'd get tour support to go to her and we get a tour bus and back then we were getting $10 a day that's called per day liams. But as far as support like real support from any label, it was just non-existent unless you got to the upper echelon of rock or something. So it was very, very difficult to pay your bills and be a rock star. So yeah, it was very tough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I guess that's a lesson to anybody's going to show is why buying merch from bands is so important, right? So that means you guys eat or don't eat sometimes.
Speaker 5:So back then we signed a merch deal and Sacred Reich had a merch deal and I believe everyone had a merch deal with this outfit Great Southern, oh, great Southern, okay. And so they would follow us with every show and they would sell our merch. And if they gave us $10,000 tourist support, guess what? You'd never see anymore money. You know they would pay themselves back or whatever. And so as far as money goes, that's, the only money we ever saw was just the initial Goal Record and album and that's it.
Speaker 1:Crazy. So then after that it was like poof, you guys vanished and there were a lot of Thrash Metal fans, all sad, I know, and I saw a couple interviews with you and you basically had one word for it and it was grunge. So how did that come into the scene and how did that dissolve the scene away? Especially Thrash Bands, because I think some Death Metal bands were kind of bubbling up under the surface and that's where some of the Thrash Kits went, but I think a lot of them went over to Grunge Metal.
Speaker 5:They did. So, you know, especially when it comes to the labels, they, you know, they want to invest their money to make money, and that being the new sound. So a lot of the labels were dropping Bands, just boom, boom, boom. And we, unfortunately, we were one of them and I was kind of shocked that we didn't get a more of a chance with our label, because you said, you know, violent by nature, did really well, like you said, I remember we used to go into the store called Bookmans or 7-Eleven and we were in every magazine, every single one, and it, you know, and now we're being dropped like I don't know. It just kind of was a swift kick in the gut, you know. So after that, you know about that time, chris Likens headed off to a medical school, or yeah, he was going to medical school and we picked up another guitar player, but it just didn't have that edge that we always had.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:And I had a two-year-old daughter and I had to make sure she was okay, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, kids, man, they take away all the fun of adults. Sometimes, right, they can Hint, hint. So then there was this long gap and it looks like 2015. You guys tried making a comeback with like three out of the five original members, correct?
Speaker 5:Correct. Yeah, we did a Maryland Death Fest and then we did a short Canadian tour, we played some shows and then we went over to China and in 2021 we put a European thing together and boy, it was a wrong time to tour because of COVID-19.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and erect everything right. It did, yeah, Okay. So let's flip this on its edge and push to the good stuff now. Did you do a demo for Asylum? Did you shop it around or did Massacre? Just come to you and go? Let's get this going again. Let's get the band back on the road.
Speaker 5:No. So Craig and Lum is a good friend of mine and he was helping Toxic get another label Some of the really high quality thrash bands. He was trying to help because he knows a lot of people and you know he was an exodus for a little while and he said he then. So he knows quite a few people and he was asking me for material for a demo tape since 2018-19 and so I did send him a couple things and I sent him a one song, in particular when I was working with my new guitar player and he's like, dude, finish that song and I can shop it and I'll get you guys a record deal. And I'm like, okay, okay, yeah, yeah. So we finished the song and he did a lead on it for us and we had Juan or Tega do the mix on it from he did the Testament record and we got a record deal.
Speaker 1:Nice and their mask is a German label. Correct, they are, yeah, and so is there going to be a separate I don't know how it works a distribution company in the United States that handles it? Or does Massacre handle both domestic and foreign type bands?
Speaker 5:So they're under an umbrella company. One is called Soul Foods and there's another, I believe Sylvania, does the distribution for them. But if you pull up, if you hit pre-order, you'll have everything from Amazon to Tower Records to Target.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we saw Target on there. Yeah, wow, there you go. Yeah, we were looking at that today, hoping we could hear like the rest of the album, because we've only heard two songs so far off the album. We haven't heard the rest of it. So we're trying to find out is there any hiding on the internet somewhere where we could hear it? But yeah, we saw that list of like everywhere where it's going to be distributed and come out.
Speaker 5:And inside of them comes up, I'll go ahead. Oh, they're very adamant about and they're very closed about releasing anything until the official record date. I wish there was, but I yeah, no, that's fine.
Speaker 1:The official date it drops March 15th, right, so not too far from now yeah, very cool.
Speaker 2:We've heard two songs so far. Seeds of Siren Punish Room are all. Are those songs discussing social and political topics, like your previous songs?
Speaker 5:Every song in the album except for one is discussing social issues and during, you know, during COVID-19, there was such a I mean you pick it. There was so much to write about because I don't think in my lifetime I've never seen anything like COVID-19 shutting down the entire world. It was just a very crazy time and there was a lot of stuff politically that was going on. So there was a lot of stuff to write about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, too much right, too many topics to write about. Yeah, crazy time. So we talked about those two songs on our last episode and in my opinion they pick up where, if Atrofine never got a break, this would be the third album. So it sounds like that maybe not in the mix so much, but lyrically and musically it sounds like it's just the next album. How did you get that sound with having all new members and everything? Did you write most of the music and I'm assuming the lyrics still? And I think a lot of it was attached to your vocal, your vocal sound, so I could talk a little bit about you. Know how you got that remain, that atrophy sound? And also, how do you keep your vocals going for all these years?
Speaker 5:So I learned how to sing when I was off, you know, I did a men's chorus and then I did acapella singing where it's just four people, and I was very fortunate to work with a director who was a vocal coach and teaching me how to breathe, you know, get a good breath in your diaphragm and then sing, not trying to. And I think before it went on the first two albums I held back a little bit and you'll hear it on this album for sure. And as far as getting the sound, so I was working with, I am working with this new guitar player, mark Hoglund, and he was in a thrash band like 16 years ago and since then he's written some Gothenburg and some death metal stuff. But when I heard him play his, his, that right hand, it very much like Chris the drill picking, the syncopated picking, and that's that's a lot of where our sound came from. Now in this album, you know, since he's playing he's he did all the rhythm tracks on this. You know he's adding a little bit of the Gothenburg stuff which is basically fancy guitar playing.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and so that was the first part of it. The vocals are the second part and the mix was a third part. We wanted to have kind of the old school sound and not use all the computer generated sounds with the drums and like all the effects on the vocals. So it sounds more 90 ish, 80 ish, if you will, and drums are a huge part of that. I really like natural drum sounds, being able to hear all the symbols and the hi hat and all that.
Speaker 1:Sure, sure. You just answered one of my next questions about the production of the new album. It seemed like it was, you know, very old school sounding still, or it was raw, but it was modernized without that compression feel. Yes, and I think that's why it sounded like the next Atrophy album. You guys didn't go in a direction that wasn't Atrophy.
Speaker 5:Right, I didn't want to go in any other direction. Except which was that natural next step we would have gotten? In my opinion, we, you know, the guitar players would have gotten better. You know the drumming would have gotten better, the singing would have gotten better. It's just that natural next step, for me at least.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's go back a little bit to the lyrics, the two songs we heard. Seeds of Sorrow sounds like it's just the next. You know it's what happened from Violent by Nature. It seems like it's the progression from one song to the next. This is what was created like a long time ago and this is the result we're seeing today.
Speaker 5:Man, you hit it perfect on the head. Nice.
Speaker 5:So you know, a night back when we wrote the song Chris wrote the lyrics for that and you know the album cover displays what happens when and the song goes when children play with weapons. And now, and after the Brady bill expired, all these companies, even Walmart, started selling AR-15s. You know they were very inexpensive. With laser sights, they're deadly accurate and you know those were introduced into the public's hands and there's no blame in this. This is our country, this is, but this is what happens. And you know one of the lines, that's killing Spree has just begun. As I was writing the lyrics, I'm literally looking at the TV. Oh, there's another mass shooting and there's a line in there. 21 are dead and they're still counting. And that's when those police refuse to go into the school and do anything about it, like this guy's in there. He's a present threat and you guys aren't going in there to do something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's in Texas. Right, that was the yes sir. Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 5:Absolutely cowardly. You know when you're this is one man. You go in there with a team. You'll take them down. You're going to take them down. So I was kind of disgusted with the whole where we are and how violent we seem to be. Society is so much better than it was in the 40s and the 50s. It's pretty chill. You don't have to go out and kill for your food. It seems like we have all these great things, but people are more mentally unstable than ever before and we're seeing the result of that now, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I'm a firm believer in music. It saved my life. So I want to make sure I share it with Eli here that it was something I put my focus into when I was young, that interest that wasn't being malicious, you know, running the roads and drinking and stuff like that.
Speaker 5:I was actually just thinking about what you just said today, how I was. You know, I had all this energy and I had all this pent up, probably anger, and then when I got into music it was such a beautiful release, you know and I've been an artist when I was younger just art in general, to be able to release some of that and show people that. You know, life isn't just about working, you know, 18 hour days and coming home and spending a few hours with your kids if you're lucky there's. You know, art just makes everything kind of beautiful, to me at least.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I grew up a really poor kid, so you know I'd latched onto the anger and the aggression of the music and it just like what I felt every day was being shared with other people like yourself. Who's coming out and like we're frustrated too, we're angry too, and here's what we're going to do about it.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So Punishment for All is the other song we heard, and right off the bat, both Eli and I, when we heard it, were chanting. The chorus just connected to us and I could just picture that. You know, punishment, punishment for All was just, it was just created for a live audience.
Speaker 5:Oh, my God, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:You said that, go ahead. I don't know if those kind of things are built into your writing. If you think about, you know what this is going to sound live, or if it's just you know. It just comes out as a product of the music.
Speaker 5:So I have a very different pattern of writing than most thrash musicians. What I hear is they'll just sing, and there's no melody to the vocals, and they just try to sing wait wait, I'm not, I'm not. You know, it's just kind of monotone. So I tried to sing in key with what the guitar players are doing, naturally. And then the other thing is, when I heard the song, I said, oh my God, mark, I don't know if you know this, but you just wrote an anthem.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I said I can hear the whole entire crowd going Punishment.
Speaker 5:And when the second chorus came around, we just played a show with violence, or a little mini tour down in Central America with violence, high racks and it's harder. By the second chorus they were singing it and the song hadn't even come out yet. I'm just like wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is crazy. That's, you know, definitely. I think you know people are going to and there's a you know throughout thrash, I mean off your second album. There was violent by nature, was the same type of thing. I think um Sepultura was pretty good about doing that. You know, I could picture a couple of their songs that came out and I was like, oh, the whole crowd is going to be jumping during this part. And so, yeah, definitely, when I heard that song Punishment for All from you Guys, I was like, oh, this is the, this is a sing-along part, cool. So who are the guys in the band now? And I know you didn't have a permanent drummer before have you found a permanent drummer? Is he a permanent drummer and a touring drummer, or is he just going to be like a studio guy?
Speaker 5:So the drummer that played on the album is Jonas Schutts and he's from Germany and I had written a song outside of Atrophy and I had him play on it. And Mark had an album called Condemn the Dream and he had Jonas play on that. And when I heard his drumming and the drum tones that were coming off, he was. You know. I originally was thinking to him, I play on this. But when I heard Jonas play he's so technical, he's a drum teacher and he has a drum studio in his basement I knew he was the guy to do this. So let me see Nathan. We were in the middle of writing the album and he saw a picture of me and Mark standing there and he said, well geez, if there's nobody else in the band. He messaged me on Facebook and I kind of laughed at him.
Speaker 5:I was 34 years old and he is a thrash fanatic. He went to a music institute and they used to look up old bands from the 80s and 90s and he said, man, if you want a guitar player, I'd love to play with you guys. And I heard some of his stuff and I'm like, wow, he's a virtuoso, I would love to have that on the album. And so Josh was actually a latecomer because we were in the studio with Bill Matoya, who did not produce the album, but we were doing some trial mixes with him and he came in and when I heard him play I'm like, oh crap, we got to get at least five songs to him. So that's Jonas.
Speaker 5:I'm sorry Josh Gibbs, and he also plays in malevolent creation. He's a phenomenal bass player and let me see that that only leaves the other guy and that's Mark. And the way I found him was through a mutual friend and we never really wrote together except for one song and I heard something up that one song and I'm like he's the guy for helping write this next album. So he wrote. By the way, he asked me earlier. I did not write all the music or anything he did. I did submit riffs to him, but when I hear his riffs they're so much better and so much more technical. He just has a natural knack for this.
Speaker 1:Nice, nice.
Speaker 1:And he does write in the atrophy sound right so those were atrophy riffs through and through from the first two songs we heard, which was absolutely nice to hear. So not to get off track of what you're doing now, but some of the other band members are in a band called Scars of Atrophy. Is there bad blood between you guys and we don't have to go down this road if you don't want to? Or are they just like calling it Scars of Atrophy because they want to play something different but still have a fan base that know atrophy?
Speaker 5:Second part. Ok, second part, you just said so yeah, we.
Speaker 1:It doesn't sound like atrophy, especially the vocals. Obviously they're new stuff that I heard, but they have on their album or demo cover whatever. I could see the hat of the jester coming through the door and stuff, I guess. So there's definitely leaning into the atrophy name on it.
Speaker 5:I think they did that all for the second part of what you said. I was writing with them after when COVID hit and when I got the demo back from them I just said my God, this doesn't sound like atrophy. I put vocals on it and, no matter how I approached it, I just couldn't get the hooks. You hear now the other parts. Nothing's changed in me, but we had a change in the lineup and it made it very difficult, and so I think they hold some resentment that I didn't finalize everything with them, because I just couldn't. It had to be what you hear now, and when you hear the album you'll understand it sounds just like atrophy, dude, yeah, and that's how it's supposed to sound.
Speaker 1:It usually doesn't work that way. In my head, if a lot of members go and they do something, it's going to sound like the old band and then if one member goes and does something else, it's going to sound a little bit different. But it was reversed with you guys. What you did and what you put together was atrophy, and I think what they're doing not talking shit about it or anything but you're right, it's not atrophy, it has no atrophy sound to it.
Speaker 5:No, and I think, having no guitar player in the band and no vocalist, you just have drums. I don't know, but what you said the second time, yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyways, let's get back to the new Asylum album. I noticed on the album cover it's the same jester from the first album. Is it the same artist and what's the story behind the jester?
Speaker 5:So the jester is our mascot, his name is Jinx and I'm going to be releasing some artwork after the album's released in what 13 days? And it'll tie all three albums together. So there's an Easter egg in the album and it's for the fans to figure out, and so the whole concept of that was to bring him back because he's very he's part of our band. You know sets of beginning and on the inner sleeve he pulls his face off and you see the skull. And we had that our first t-shirt, actually our tour t-shirt, and I just love the character and I love the theory behind it, because in one of the videos you'll see the theatrical mask I don't know if you caught that, you'll see, so that there's a good theatrical mask and so, anyways, when you look at the album cover and when I release the artwork, you'll kind of see it all ties together in the asylum, so Nice.
Speaker 1:And did you do the art for it? Is that your creation?
Speaker 5:I created the artwork for it and I had a mansion that I drew when I was I don't know, maybe 18 or something, and you know it's that old, scary mansion looking thing. And so when we were writing the last song in the album, five minutes to suicide, one of the lines in it is the open air asylum, which is LA, new York, where you see all these homeless encampments. We got a lot of mental health problems here. That's when I really came up with the idea to and the gestures supposed to be call you into the asylum. And one of the characters is going to come back from Violet by Nature and you'll see that.
Speaker 1:And come together? Yeah, very cool. So what's up next for Atrophy? When are you touring, if his tour plans, and, most importantly, when are you coming to Tampa, because that's where we are.
Speaker 5:Oh wow, Josh lives down there as well.
Speaker 1:Oh nice.
Speaker 5:So, yeah, we had talked about doing something down in Tampa. So we kind of find ourselves in a weird situation here because we got back from Central America and the guys were talking about replacing our drummer and that's very difficult for me to do. But anyways, yeah, we had a West Coast book in July, august and then September the East Coast. I don't know if those dates are still going to happen, but we want to get out and definitely tour this album. We want to get over to Europe again and try to do all three this year, you know, tour the album. And we have seven songs, I believe, written for the new album, not fully, but working on seven songs, nice.
Speaker 5:So we're going to pump out another one here.
Speaker 1:Very cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the beginning of the tour. How are you going to balance playing all the old school actuaries songs with the new songs from the Asylum album?
Speaker 5:So when we played down in Central America we played two new songs and we played the two that got released and we want to introduce a third song and probably going to be High Anxiety and with any band, once you go out people are going to tell you what they want to hear and so that's so. We played both albums we play. Our set list is actually heavily off the first album Killing Machine, chemical Dependency, urban Decay, killing Machine and Beerbong.
Speaker 1:Nice Beerbong.
Speaker 5:And then the rest is off. Violence and Beerbong is always the last song because it's so fun to play. Yeah, it's a fun song and the cryo gig is crazy for it.
Speaker 1:So yeah, the beers are Some left to be desired, right. Yeah, and those brands aren't around anymore too.
Speaker 5:So those were intended to be all the cheapest beer you could possibly buy when you're in college, and they're so bad you have to drink them in a beerbong because you didn't want to taste them.
Speaker 3:You don't want to taste them. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And no, they're not.
Speaker 5:There are very few of those brands around.
Speaker 1:Yeah, funny. So last question we have for you and this is kind of putting you on the spot which is Women's History Month and we, the Potter, trying to promote women led or women in hard music and metal and stuff. So we're trying to do a post, a day of bands that reflect women are doing thrash, they're doing death. Did you have any bands that you know women are in that you wanted us to promote or you want to talk about here, or Look up, condemn the Dream. Condemn the Dream.
Speaker 5:That's Mark's other band that he had and he has a female singer on that. Just listen to the first track and check it out. It's really good stuff man.
Speaker 1:Awesome, we will do that. Then what's the best way people can support Atrophy? What can they do?
Speaker 5:So go to Facebook and Instagram and just give us a like. That would be huge, and if you're out, please buy Merchandise.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:You know, because that's the only way we see revenue anymore, and hopefully we'll have some new merch out in the month and we'll put that up on Facebook too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whenever we go to shows, we make it a point definitely to support the band and buy the records.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and buy the records, buy the CD, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely Well. Thanks so much, brian. It's been great Again. I'm a little, like I said, a little giggly talking to you. You've been one of the favorites for a very long time.
Speaker 5:Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 1:We are definitely pumping those new songs out every car ride and in the house when we can, so I appreciate your time. This will probably drop Monday and I'll be sharing it on Facebook and I'll let you know when it comes out.
Speaker 5:Cool, I'm trying to. I'll drop an interview every couple of days till the album's released, so I'll put it up on our Facebook page. Appreciate it, and I wish you guys the best. Good job, eli. Thanks, take care.
Speaker 1:Brian Hope to see you soon.
Speaker 5:Nice shirt, I like that you bet.
Speaker 1:Talk to you later Bye.
Speaker 2:Bye.