South Asians Rising
S1 EP5 - Vimal Mistry: Finding your True Identity as a South Asian
Have you ever felt the weight of cultural expectations dictating your life's path? Many of us South Asians are born into traditions and values that become our identity... But what if you had the choice? In this episode, Vimal shares his courageous journey of questioning traditions and rising above cultural expectations so that he could find his true authentic identity.
Listeners will hear about the lead up to Vimal's self awakening, the challenges he overcame and helpful advice on how to deal with fearful thoughts when going against what is expected of you. We also share practical tips on how you can start to find your true identity and purpose in life.
Have you ever felt the weight of cultural expectations dictating your life's path? Many of us South Asians are born into traditions and values that become our identity... But what if you had the choice? In this episode, Vimal shares his courageous journey of questioning traditions and rising above cultural expectations so that he could find his true authentic identity.
Listeners will hear about the lead up to Vimal's self awakening, the challenges he overcame and helpful advice on how to deal with fearful thoughts when going against what is expected of you. We also share practical tips on how you can start to find your true identity and purpose in life.
Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of South Asians Rising podcast. We have Vimal joining us today. Welcome, vimal. Thank you for being a guest on the show. Would you like to introduce yourself to the audience?
Speaker 2:Yeah, good to be here, firstly. So just to keep it brief, I'm a performance coach. I run an awesome program called Power Project and it's just about helping people attain the level of fitness that they want. It's usually weight loss, and we just tap into their power within them so they can really just create the life they want and really integrate health and fitness into their life in a sustainable way.
Speaker 1:Amazing. That sounds so interesting. Thank you for sharing, so let's just get straight into it. What is a challenge that you faced in life?
Speaker 2:that was really tough and you've overcome, I think on the face of it, it was the thing of not feeling I had any options, but not quite knowing why. I think growing up it was like a set list of things you need to do, like the conformity thing. You know, you do your school, you do your degree, then you get a job, you get really good at it, you do your things, and then marriage, kids and all that stuff, and then there's already set things in place where, like, if you want to go and travel, you do this in this little time frame. If you want to go and do some self-development stuff, then you do that in this little gap. And if you want to do you know it's already sort of laid out, based on I don't know.
Speaker 2:And I grew up with that quite strongly because I was in a quite a dense community, big family, and you got to see all the generations, you got to see everyone follow this exact path, and growing up in that is like okay, it wasn't like I was upset about it, I just didn't know. I didn't know anything else. But it took me a long time to recognize because as I was growing older, things were becoming harder and when you grow up in an environment that's very. It seems very set, but no one speaks about things like mental health and difficulties or health issues or anything like that and all you see, is this relentless push pushing through.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh, that's what I need to do. And it got to a point where I was like this, this, I had no option but to just break from it and just be like I need to talk to someone, I need to, like, figure this out and process it. And actually, and that's at that point, that was when I was like, oh my god, there's so much that I've identified myself with character-wise, personality-wise beliefs, morals, that they were given to me. I didn't even realize like I was holding as if it was my own, my own choice. And when I came to that realization it was like, oh my god, this is exciting but also terrifying, because I have no idea who I am really and since then it's been my journey and this isn't like early childhood, this is like four years ago maybe.
Speaker 2:I'm 32 now, so it's recent and it's been a long time in my life just not realizing any of this and in terms of the point that I was speaking of, that that was really tough. That breaking point where I just was forced to change was I was in a very difficult relationship. For me, I would have described it as toxic for her, I don't know, but I was very burnt out as a result and it affected everything you know work, relationships, my family and friends and that sort of thing. And it got to this point where I just had to speak to someone how to see the GP, how to diagnose for the anxiety disorder. I was like what, what, what? And when I look back and I was going through the process, it's like this has been me the whole life, but I've never spoken about it. This isn't new and just exploring and that was a perfect catalyst. This thing that happened, this awful, awful thing, was the perfect catalyst and it just brought about all these things and in terms of overcoming it, I'd say I'm still going through it. I think it's learning, a lot of processing, a lot of things just being uncovered, but my perspective has changed in terms of dealing with it. So that's all very vague.
Speaker 2:I'm going to narrow it down, but like things, like like diet, for example, I grew up in a vegetarian household and then, I think 2017-ish or maybe before I went vegan, did that for five years, really strong. I was fully into it and built a whole company around it, really into it. And after about three years, I had to really question like why, why am I doing this? And I wasn't resonating, it was bugging me. I just didn't know why. And I like really go right back to just me as like a five-year-old and just like I was like even vegetarian, like my parents never forced it on me.
Speaker 2:This was the bizarre thing. If I opened up at any point in my life, I would have had support and but no one ever did so. I didn't know to do that. And that's an example like I don't have a label anymore in terms of diet or whatever. But that's an example of like I've had to really just really go into myself and just analyse where these traits that I identify with, where they come from, and really question are they mine, and that's part of the the overcoming bit, I guess. If that, answers it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've highlighted so many important things there actually. So the first thing I want to mention is how, through being in a toxic relationship, you realised you hit a point where you felt quite anxious, and so it's only after opening up about it and speaking to somebody you realise that actually it was like an anxiety disorder that you felt before. I think that's so powerful because, firstly, a lot of us don't talk about things that we go through and we don't open up, and so we may be suffering from certain things which, by opening up, it, could help us and like we could, you know, get support for it, but because we don't, we sort of sit there and suffer in it and it gets worse. So that's a great example there of you know that happening and once you recognise what it was, you were able to then get the support you needed. So thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 1:And another thing that you spoke about was the whole our path is laid out for us, and I think that is such an important topic to talk about because it really ties in with our identity and who we are, and it's true like we're sort of born into things and I know you were born into a vegetarian household. It wasn't forced upon you but you never really questioned it. You just sort of lived your life that way and I think that that's like symbolic of a lot of things. Right, a lot of things are imposed on us and we don't really question them. We just live our life that way. And then we experienced something that kind of jolts us and makes us think, actually, is this something that aligns with me and my values? And then you start to question like who you even are. And I think it makes it even more difficult when we're living in like a Westernized country with their culture and values. And then we've got our traditional culture and values and we're sort of in the middle, trying to like understand what is our identity and who we are. So I really wanna tap into this a little bit.
Speaker 1:Morgz, I'm really intrigued on how your journey unfolded. So you said that you hit a point where you started to question things. And again, that's super powerful because we're all on autopilot, just kind of living life, how we are not really thinking about things. We're just, you know, we're living in a fast-paced life. But to start the self-awareness journey it all starts with asking questions, questioning things, questioning choices that you're making, so I wanna tap into that a bit more. That lead up to that point where you started to question things. What was that like? What were you sort of going through and what thoughts were you having during that time?
Speaker 2:I think it was after that relationship for me, because amidst all that there was no space. I was dealing with that. I was dealing with work, which was suffering a lot because of that, and all sorts of other things. So there was a lot of stuff crammed into life and there's no space. So once that ended and things opened up, naturally there's this void and in that void I managed to use that space to do some introspection and start trying to understand what's happening. What you know, this feeling of like a lack of purpose came through really strongly because up until this point I've been fighting. I think it's worth mentioning, actually, the reason I probably pushed it so hard with that relationship, and really pushed, even though it was like awful. I was like really like this needs to work, you know, because this is the order of life, because after that we get married, we have kids and you know.
Speaker 2:And it's a trajectory that I've been taught. We're not really even being taught, it's just all I knew, sort of thing, and it's just hard-wired into me. So I was pushing so hard and it got to a point where I actually can't do this anymore. So it stopped and it's like when you let go of that conformity, that checklist, it's like damn, what do I do now? And it's quite a scary place and that's where I was. It was like hold on, if that's not the thing to do, then what do I do? And then it becomes like okay, now I need to find my purpose, sort of thing.
Speaker 2:And that's when I started to question, because it's like, up until that point I thought I was doing everything that I wanted to do. I thought I was in that relationship because I wanted to be. I thought I was pushing this agenda because I wanted to. And then, when I really thought about it and I had the space, I realized I didn't actually want to get married at that point. I didn't actually want to go towards that place at the point. I didn't want to settle in the career. I was at that point. But I was just going for it because in my mind it's like time's ticking, this is the next thing that's coming up. You've got to like, deal with that, done the career stuff. Now we do this, and I just never let myself explore it.
Speaker 2:So when this whole thing happened, I was just forced to be like, well, I don't actually like this career, this job. It's not very fulfilling. I was in design consultancies a wicked field. I was a 3D visualizer but special effects and that sort of thing, so it was great fun, but it was zero fulfillment for me. I just wasn't clicking with it. I never questioned it and I was like, oh my God, yeah, I don't want to do this at all, I don't want to do this, I don't want to do that, I don't you know. Suddenly it became this massive list of things that I actually realized I don't want to do, and it's confusing because up until now, I identified with being the person who wanted to do all those things, and so it was a great place for me to be like where did that even come from? I think that was a tipping point, and I feel very fortunate to ask myself that question, because that's a I've also.
Speaker 2:That's a turning point like where did that come from? I think the moment you ask that question it's just a domino effect. If I didn't ask that question I couldn't easily be in that place again and just asking it and then just just being open to be like, okay, the vegetarian thing, that was just that was brought into it. You know, my parents brought me up in a way they thought was right and okay and there's a lot of that. I think what I said at the beginning about society and family and this type community, this Asian community, which is really tight, you know they come into this country and the generations you know they've had no choice but to be tight and to like support each other and sort of help each other in a lot of ways. So it worked then. But then to have that now is a bit difficult and you kind of feel you need to like go along with it, and I was doing that.
Speaker 1:The turning point you mentioned was you asked yourself that question where did this come from? And it's interesting because you said that you reached a point where it felt quite scary because all these things that you were meant to sort of tick off on your checklist you're now questioning where do you even want to do those things? And you even like those things. And I can resonate with that, because sometimes I've gone against the grain and I also felt a bit scared about it because I'm like, oh no, like am I? I'm doing something bad, I'm not doing what I'm sort of meant to do and what does this even mean?
Speaker 1:So I would like to understand a little bit during that time where you were feeling the fear and kind of going against the grain and starting to question things and thinking, actually I may not want to go down this path, when you have those fearful thoughts come up, so so many people I can imagine it would be like oh my gosh, this is actually really scary and it doesn't feel comfortable. I'm gonna just not venture down that. Let me just stick to why, what I'm doing, what do you think helped you to persevere through that and not just go back to doing what you're doing and actually like think I'm gonna. I'm gonna go against the grain here.
Speaker 2:I think the simple answer to that is, by this point I'd already done something that was against, like I'd broken down some layers by starting the coaching business, for example, even by that point, because I launched it as a vegan coach, so but I haven't got to that point yet, but I was already. You know, I left my job in London, I started this thing and like I did this crazy thing, like I left a relationship in this, like it was all. Within like six months I was on fire. You know, I was really good energy, had a really good energy, so I would experience what it's like to just go hard with something from gut, from a gut feeling. So that helped, I guess a big change that I had to sort of deal with one of the hardest things actually, because by this point I was a public, I'm a vegan coach, I'm outside, like I'm. Everyone can see family, friends, everyone and the diet thing is really important because it it comes along with it. I don't know if this is cultural or like something more exclusive to the Asian community as well, where there's a massive moral thing attached to the diet, like you're doing the right thing, like it's, it's tied in religion and spirituality and, yeah, the morals that I grew up with, you know, that was sort of given to me. So to have this feeling that I allowed myself to feel by just starting this business and just being more open was like I don't want to be vegan, and it was like it's like a thought that I heard. I was like, no, don't you dare do that. That's the worst thing ever. Don't, ever think that. And that as I, it was coming more and more and I had to come to the to terms with the idea that I had to. Just what if I don't carry those morals as strongly as I thought I did, which was really confusing and I had like good ten odd counseling sessions around this because it was just like mind-boggling. This is like a moral compass that was built from like day one for me and I'm questioning it. That's the scariest thing in the world because my whole identity, the way I present myself to people and it's in that public, just like totally different level for me it's suddenly potentially being shattered and I might have to start from zero again. So I didn't come out and make a video, be like, okay, I'm not vegan anymore, but I just went with it and I just like phased it back, started talk to people about it and it was okay. But just that's an example of something really, really scary to overcome it really. I mean there were tears involved with this. It was just. It was like, okay, but if I'm not, if I'm not vegan, vegetarian, then who am I? It was a real scary moment and that's just an example of one thing. You know.
Speaker 2:There's other things you know. Growing up there was a you got religion, stuff you got. You got spirituality, there's sorts of things and the do's and don'ts of life. And it's not about disagreeing with everything that you grew up with, I've realized. It's just acknowledging which bits were given to you and which bits you created yourself. Because when it comes to understanding your purpose in life and who you are, you've got to be able to distinguish those two things who, which bits you chose and created for yourself, and which bits were given to you. And if there's any sort of anger towards why there's things were given to you, you got to. I had to find forgiveness in knowing that those people or society at the time did the best they could with the tools they had, that basic level of forgiveness, but they did the best they could and their intentions were always good, and that's what it was for me.
Speaker 1:But having that separation. I love people who are like sorry. They only knew what they knew at the time right.
Speaker 2:That's the thing, and having that separation, I love knowing that. Which part wasn't actually me. It gave me huge freedom. It's like, okay, this is, this makes sense now. This is why I feel a bit lost and I'm lacking purpose, because I've identified in myself with these traits that aren't actually me. This is great news. Yeah, it's like initially quite disturbing, but it's great news because now you can choose, and this is this is what I stand for.
Speaker 2:Now I want people to like understand their power that they've got with them and really harness it, to know that they can choose. They can actually pick and choose how they want to be in this world, and I think that's where all your guests as well on the podcast so far, and yourself, I'm sure where this is, where it comes down to when you go into coaching, like this is it's who you're being in this world, and it's different avenues to do in that. My way is like nail the physical fitness first and then go through the whole process, that sort of thing. But the fundamentals like I'm saying this now, but I'm hearing that multiple like of your other conversations you've had yeah, and it's just this, this theme of this, this little golden thread running through where yeah just in order to get to be the person you want to be, you need to gain some clarity.
Speaker 2:and not to gain some clarity, you need to understand who you are like, what makes you you, and understand which bits aren't you. You know what's in your power, what's outside your power, what you taken out of your power, what you restricted yourself with, and these are all the things that I've gone through and I'm still going through it, and it's exciting, you know. I'm at a point now where it's just exciting. I'm looking forward to the next thing. I'm going to uncover. Yeah yeah, that's what I'm at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love what you just said there and I think that's exactly it.
Speaker 1:You know who are you being right and I think a follow on from that, or maybe what's the word for the pre following I don't know, like the pre call to that is ask yourself that, like you have a choice to be whoever you want to be, and recognize that, rather than just like doing the same thing over and over again and think this is who you are like actually, no, you have a choice. You know, question things and who is it that you want to be? If you had that choice because you do, and so it sounds like when you started questioning things, it started to feel a bit scary because you weren't really sure who you were and you're questioning your identity. What does this mean and who are you? But then you reframed it to see the positives in that, which is wow, I have a blank slate right now and I can be whoever I want to be. And then it turned into something exciting rather than completely like something really scary. So I love that, and I guess my next question from that would be if there is somebody out there right now that is in a situation where they started questioning things and they don't really resonate with the things that were imposed in them and they're not quite sure who they are.
Speaker 1:You mentioned that you did some introspection. Do you have any practical tips for anyone who would like to do some introspection and figure out who their identity is. What are your tips for them?
Speaker 2:I think a theme that I see running with either clients I work with, people that I even speak to or anyone, is this inability in the moment to recognize how fast they're trying to go and, whilst pushing so hard in all these areas in life, not understanding why they can't seem to just gain some clarity and purpose, and the answer is just to slow the hell down and dial it back.
Speaker 2:In my case it was that breakup and in that relationship and starting a new business or leaving my job, I mean that's a bit drastic for me. I don't expect people to do that, but the principle is I slowed down, I created space for me to question things and I think, as we've spoken, I think there's massive value in identifying which parts of you are actually you and which parts are the opinions of someone else or society, for example. Then you can see where you're restricting yourself and how much power you actually have, and it's a great feeling to know that suddenly you've got real freedom, more than you thought you had. But in order to do that, you need to slow down, I think, just dialing anything back, and I have this too, when we get to a point where we really wanted to find purpose and things. It's usually our time in life where we're quite fearful. We're feeling a lot of lack, there's a sense of urgency and the headspace is just a sort of fight and flight and we want to push harder.
Speaker 2:We want to make it more difficult to get this clarity, when in fact, we just need to step back and create some space to allow things like forgiveness, because when forgiveness comes through, gratitude will just naturally make its way through as well. It's suddenly oh, I've got all this for me. You know, I can do this. Life suddenly feels abundant and all that sort of thing. So yeah, to summarise, I guess it's just slow down.
Speaker 1:Slow down. I live back.
Speaker 2:Exactly I think naturally, having that space will just create so much opportunity to foreign inspection and questioning.
Speaker 1:Exactly Slowing down is such a good tip because we're naturally in like a fast pace world at the moment and it can just be easy to just continue with that, like at work and then at home.
Speaker 1:It's actually really hard to slow down. It's actually really hard to like take a step back and think, actually I'm not gonna do anything right now, I'm just gonna sit in this silence and see what comes up. But that's where all the gold is. Like you really need to like step back in and just allow yourself to have that space to question things, and so it sounds like your tip here would be to sort of question things, ask yourself what's really coming from you and what's coming from others and the opinions of others, and then you'll know where you're limiting yourself and I love that and then also looking into forgiveness and what you're grateful for. So let's say, someone's done that and they've identified some things that they don't resonate with, but they're feeling scared to open up about who they really are and what they really want to do, could be scared to open up to their family or members of society. What's something that you would say to them if you were talking to them right now?
Speaker 2:As a practical tool or just.
Speaker 1:General to do? To do, yeah, just words of encouragement or like.
Speaker 2:I think the approach I think would be wise is these are big questions, but I'll say it, sorry don't worry if you can't. No, no, no. I'm about to ask a big question. I'm spreading it as in, as in I don't know all the other questions around here.
Speaker 2:What is it you need? And just ask yourself that. It's not a question we ask ourselves very much and it's the questions that don't have an instant answer, usually the golden ones. I think I see most value in improving how frequently I catch myself out with my internal dialogue. I'll hear my mind say this doesn't work, try harder. That's like alarm bells. Now it's like why am I pushing hard? Dial it back, step back. And in terms of actual practical tools, I'll answer that as well.
Speaker 2:I think if speaking to someone isn't an option, or reaching out for talking therapies and that sort of thing isn't an option, then, assuming you've got space to you know you've created time and space by dialing things back, then using that time to reflect in some way. You know, something I like to do is journal the mirror, just talk to anything, even the wall, just let it out in some way, or even just yeah, I think journaling is a great one actually, but just an outlet, just to get it out there and let yourself, hear yourself. I think that's really important because if it's all stuck inside it's very difficult to process. You know the conversation we've had today. I've gained a little bit of clarity just talking about me, because I'm not used to this sort of conversation on this topic. So it's been great for me. It's been a great learning on.
Speaker 2:I think Maybe these people who don't feel they can talk to anyone, they actually can talk to people. They're just worried that if they're talked to someone they have to be fully vulnerable and just open it up. But they don't need to. They can just have a casual conversation and be open to where it goes and keep it on the surface. But even then it'll be helpful because they haven't done this before. I'm assuming. You know slowing down and reflecting and questioning isn't something you know we're necessarily taught to do, so it's always going to be new and it's worth trying. Don't rule it out that you can't talk to anyone. I think that's the main thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's such an important point because I'm sure a lot of people do feel that, that they don't know how to open up and it feels scary. But you know you may be surprised. Just having a casual conversation you can learn so much. So definitely try that. And I mentioned in a previous episode on what really helped me when I was trying to figure out who I want to be in this world, and it's literally, you know, going through the process of introspection what is it that I like, what are my values, what's my purpose, what do I enjoy, what don't I enjoy. Because I really struggled to be introspective, which is really crazy, because I'm so into self development. I've read so many like blogs, websites, watched so many videos, but when it just I just found it so hard to like, look within, I just couldn't. So I had to really take it down to the basics and, like I started to make notes of, like, what makes me happy, what doesn't make me happy, what am I enjoying, what am I not enjoying, and what kind of qualities in life do I like and what don't I. So I took it really down to the basics and then from that I understood, like, what my limiting beliefs were, what was holding me back. But then I also like started fresh. I was like in an ideal world if I could be whoever I wanted to be. What are the qualities that I want? And I listed them down and then I could look back on my list of like limiting beliefs to understand which of these qualities could be a bit difficult for me to like transition into as quickly as I'd like. So I had two lists to kind of like look at and cause we're just naturally an autopilot and doing. You know it's hard to kind of break habits, right. So like I keep this list of who I want to be somewhere where I can just easily take it out. And then I can take it out, like when I'm in difficult situations I could just like remind myself who am I trying to be, and it helps me to face those. But then also I keep it like in the morning. I look at it at nighttime as well, cause I'm trying to like train my mind that this is who I'm trying to be, and the more that you look at it and you soak it in, the more that it impresses on your subconscious, which then helps you to just like do that naturally on autopilot, so you're rewiring your brain, basically. So all that to say you have a blank slate and if you're trying to work out who you're, what your identity is, that's great.
Speaker 1:It's such an exciting opportunity, which you spoke about earlier, vimal, and I think the great thing to do are the things that you've mentioned and also just to think you know. Don't think just because who you are right now it limits you to who you can be Like. Just have a clear, blank canvas and think of the qualities that you'd like to have and just become that person Day in, day out. You will slowly start to morph into that person, if you allow yourself to. So thank you so much for sharing that, vimal. I've been really. It's been so nice to hear your journey and how you know. It started off as something scary, to kind of question who you were and who you want to be, and then you reframed it. Yeah, and you've reframed it and, like now you see it as like a positive thing and you're still. You're still on your journey and I think we all are. Do you have any final things that you'd like to say?
Speaker 2:I think that's the point you just mentioned, that this whole thing about the journey we haven't really spoken about that and finding your purpose and your identity and you know these aren't attainable things, this, you're going to be doing this forever and I think this notion that there are people out there who know their purpose and they're clear on their identity, it's just.
Speaker 2:It's just for me. I think it's come about because people don't talk and the way social media is especially, you see, like five second reels now, and we meant to make a judgment based on that. So it's very easy to think people have it sorted or they found their purpose, and it's easy to think that, oh, I need to find my purpose, like this year, but in fact it's just a journey. It's just all these people are doing, they're just on their journey and that's all we're seeing. And it's never. I think to set the expectation that I'm going to find it is a little bit dangerous. What I expect to just be on the journey, and that's the goal really just to get into the flow of getting to know yourself better and better, because it's a lifelong thing.
Speaker 1:I love that and that's a really good point that you've mentioned the purpose point, because my personal experience with that is I spent like nearly eight years thinking I have no purpose, I don't know what my passion is, and it's really hard at growing up in our culture because everyone has their path right and they're like excelling in their careers as they know what they want to do, and they just seem like they all have it together, whereas I've always been like I want to do meaningful work, I want to go, wake up, happy to go to work, but I could never find what that outlet was.
Speaker 1:So I felt really lost for many years and I felt really like behind on, like why does everyone else know what they want to do and I don't? But I then, during the pandemic, I happened to find coaching. I fell into that and I was like wow, like this is something that speaks to me and I finally feel like I'm passionate about something and it's given me a sense of purpose. But it took me like eight years to get there you know, and it's a journey.
Speaker 1:So it's exactly what you said it's a journey. If you feel like you don't know what your purpose is right now, that's okay. It's coming Like just go on your journey, You'll find it. But just be introspective. But then also like your purpose when you're 18 may not be the same as when you're 20 and may not be the same when you're 30. So, like, don't see it as a rigid thing. It's malleable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's amazing how it changes. Yeah, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:So I love that. Thank you for sharing and thank you so much for being a guest on my show, Vimal. I've really enjoyed our conversation. If anybody is listening in and they'd like to reach out to you or maybe even work with you, can they just contact you via social media?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, Facebook or Instagram or the website vmisschickoachingcom yeah, to reach out, ask any questions you've got. The way I do things is it's. It doesn't really matter what your goal is. It's more about closing that gap between intention and action. People get most stuck there. It's less about knowing what to do, how to be healthy or how to be more active. Everyone knows those answers. It's like how to actually implement it and then keep it going for the rest of your life confidently. That's where we have to go a bit deeper and that's what we will work with. So if anyone's listening and they want to work on that sort of thing, then yeah, definitely contact me. I'm gonna have a conversation.
Speaker 1:Amazing. I'll put your details in the description box. Thank you once again, vimal, and thank you to the audience for listening. If there's anything that you heard today that particularly resonated with you or you wanna talk about, please feel free to leave a comment. We'd love to hear from you, and thank you all very much, until next time wär vai banyak.