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MAKE O'BLOCK GREAT AGAIN FT. SHOEBOX BABY | RTM PODCAST | EP. 07
Step into the world of Shoebox Baby, the rap phenom from Chicago's O'Block, as we unravel the threads of his story in an episode that promises as much heart as it does rhythm. We're not just spinning tracks here; we're spinning tales of resilience, ambition, and the gritty reality of the Chi-town hustle. From "Six Fold" to the folds of family influence, Shoebox Baby lays bare the complexities of life as an artist in the industry, where genuine connections are currency and independence is the ultimate flex.
We navigate the choppy waters of music industry contracts, with Shoebox Baby sharing his own experiences of the deceptive nature of deals that glitter like gold but bind like iron. Punctuating our conversation are candid reflections on the importance of mental health and the underrated valor of the 9 to 5 grind. Expect to be schooled on the territorial nuances of neighborhood blocks – a chess game of respect and reputation – as we dissect the influences that shape the very core of who we become.
As the mic goes off, the impact endures. We pay homage to Chicago's community leaders and the influential KING VON, whose legacies ripple through the streets of O'Block. Shoebox Baby doesn't hold back on his CEO dreams or his take on Chicago's titans of music – is it Chief Keef or Kanye who reigns supreme in the Windy City? Join us in this episode that's less about the limelight and more about the streetlight – guiding the way through stories that challenge, inspire, and honor the city that's much more than a backdrop; it's a character all its own.
Step into the world of Shoebox Baby, the rap phenom from Chicago's O'Block, as we unravel the threads of his story in an episode that promises as much heart as it does rhythm. We're not just spinning tracks here; we're spinning tales of resilience, ambition, and the gritty reality of the Chi-town hustle. From "Six Fold" to the folds of family influence, Shoebox Baby lays bare the complexities of life as an artist in the industry, where genuine connections are currency and independence is the ultimate flex.
We navigate the choppy waters of music industry contracts, with Shoebox Baby sharing his own experiences of the deceptive nature of deals that glitter like gold but bind like iron. Punctuating our conversation are candid reflections on the importance of mental health and the underrated valor of the 9 to 5 grind. Expect to be schooled on the territorial nuances of neighborhood blocks – a chess game of respect and reputation – as we dissect the influences that shape the very core of who we become.
As the mic goes off, the impact endures. We pay homage to Chicago's community leaders and the influential KING VON, whose legacies ripple through the streets of O'Block. Shoebox Baby doesn't hold back on his CEO dreams or his take on Chicago's titans of music – is it Chief Keef or Kanye who reigns supreme in the Windy City? Join us in this episode that's less about the limelight and more about the streetlight – guiding the way through stories that challenge, inspire, and honor the city that's much more than a backdrop; it's a character all its own.
Welcome to Rilla the Most Podcast.
Speaker 4:I ain't gonna lie man, i'ma, i'ma.
Speaker 3:Yeah, i'ma give him. I'ma give him a.
Speaker 4:Perfect introduction.
Speaker 2:I'ma, i'ma give him a proper Introduction. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yup, yup.
Speaker 3:Real rap man. Go ahead, cash. He got a 23 year old and he already a Fucking legend man.
Speaker 4:Talk this shit, talk this shit, talk this shit.
Speaker 3:I'm 64th and King Drive Parkway Gardens, aka, y'all know it as O'Block.
Speaker 4:O'Block in the building.
Speaker 3:Home of the legends. Man O'Block you feel me? Streams, Millions of streams.
Speaker 4:Millions, millions of views on the videos.
Speaker 3:Eminem, you feel me M's on M's. You feel me Prominent face. You feel me Young lit nigga he turnt.
Speaker 2:Tell him you feel me that nigga.
Speaker 3:Came down to Philly, had the whole fucking city Tell him oh they here, let's get it. You feel me Give it up for my fucking dog man Shoebox, baby man Shoebox.
Speaker 4:Baby, shoebox, baby, right there. Yeah, my boy, yeah man.
Speaker 2:He give it up Shoebox.
Speaker 3:Baby man, what's?
Speaker 4:up my boy. A round of applause for my dog man. I appreciate y'all having me today.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, we appreciate you man.
Speaker 2:Definitely appreciate you, my boy, Appreciate you man.
Speaker 3:I'm glad we I'm glad we like spent days together before, because it feel like I'm talking to my fucking man, like my brother, right now bro.
Speaker 4:That's how you got to do it, though, Like anything I be doing in this business, I ain't going to lie. I be doing like I got to fuck with a nigga first before I just like get straight to business with a nigga. Just like, get straight to business With a nigga, I gotta fuck with you, Like on the genuine side.
Speaker 3:Like you, my man, you know Right, yeah, you gotta build that relationship, so it be more than just business. Yeah, that's how that shit last. No doubt. Yeah, bro. Yeah man, meech just walked in, shout out Meech. But listen, man, before we go any further. Man, ayo, shoebox baby Just dropped something 20 fucking minutes ago 20 fucking minutes.
Speaker 2:Yo, this never happened While we was getting ready For this shit On the run of the most podcast bro, my dog dropped some Hot ass shit. 20 minutes ago Yo.
Speaker 3:So we gonna get into this shit. Man Play that shit, shoebox, baby Six fold.
Speaker 1:What happened.
Speaker 3:Question mark man. Six fold 20 minutes new let's fucking get it man.
Speaker 4:Let's hear that shit. Man Really got this while we was out there. Bro. Why we talking? What happened to Kyra? The whole world probably know. He told the police and shit the name of Kramer O'Block and he snitched it. He got to leave.
Speaker 4:That shit, bro, for real made a man first day we met. Now we slad and we glad they had, and they crying niggas wolfing like they out here. Why the fuck we ain't collide? If a nigga wanna slad, then why the fuck he ain't out slad. He ain't talking no shit. He don't talk no regular clip. He pull up deep and let him have it chase. He like Stephen Curry at the three. He pull up, splash it. If it's money on his head, then you know, switch he trying to cash it. What the bro? You look like giving up an open basket. Put them hunters on your head, just like django got a bad pretty. You look like j-lo what up? I just pulled a fortress inside of fago. I told my I don't want to hit no, so fago, I'll push your back, just like a kangaroo. Never went to what the man said. It ain't rain, though. It's on Apple Music right now. Go stream that A$AP, that shit out right now.
Speaker 2:Go get that, go stream that. It's on all platforms Right now.
Speaker 3:Round of applause For that shit man. Shoebox baby Six four man. It's in the building. Stop playing, man. What happened man? Round of applause for that shit man. Shoebox Baby 6'4" man.
Speaker 4:It's in the building.
Speaker 2:Stop playing man what?
Speaker 3:happened Out on platforms right now, man.
Speaker 2:Right now, right now, go get that All right, let's tap in though, man.
Speaker 3:Let's tap in, though. How you feeling? First of all, man, I'm good man Good.
Speaker 2:How you enjoying Philly man.
Speaker 4:I fuck with it. It it's like Chicago.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:Explain it what weeds though?
Speaker 4:Right, shit, you got real niggas. This shit, you got real trenches.
Speaker 1:Mmhmm.
Speaker 4:You got people out there that's real religious. Mmhmm, this shit just like no feel home. This shit, don't feel fabricated.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:I fuck with it for sure, right.
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, we fuck with you bro, yeah, bro.
Speaker 3:You on some shit. That shit sound good. Somebody turn the fiend off.
Speaker 2:So, like you know what I mean, you coming to Philly, we gonna go to Chicago real quick, you know what I'm saying. We gonna start there, so you know you coming'm saying, yeah, we're going to start there, like. So you know you coming up, like you know how your household was Like first, where you from From the beginning. Yeah, let's where you from.
Speaker 4:Let's start from there, better known as O'Block in Chicago, illinois, southside.
Speaker 2:Right Project.
Speaker 4:Trenches, the Gutter.
Speaker 2:Right and coming up. You know in Chicago and the times you was coming up. You know how was your upbringing.
Speaker 4:Like that shit was like you had to be grown fast. Yeah, there wasn't no kids playground. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Right? No, for sure.
Speaker 4:No, it was playgrounds where we was at, but it wasn't no kids playground. Yeah, it wasn't nothing to be played with Facts Like we lose people early Like kids playground. Yeah, it wasn't gonna be played with. Like facts, like people earlier, like I lost my first friend at 13. Time like eighth grade. I was eighth grade. I lost my first friend, he got killed.
Speaker 2:How you uh deal with that, so young like that? What was it?
Speaker 4:what was his name? His? Name was jaquante rouse, we called him j-mac. That that changed because it made me like damn I could die that shit. That shit changed because maybe like damn I could die. Yeah, you look at, you look on TV, at that you see a DSD channel and shit key is being kids. That's what you looking at, my father's dad key is dropping you, like what the fuck?
Speaker 3:we was interviews. When we was interviewing mana, he says something about some mining too hot. Is that the same person you're talking about? That's my little brother he died years later.
Speaker 4:That's your little brother I'm not real about it, but I just wanted to go ahead, all right, so uh damn man losing a uh friend at 13, being as though you walk outside your front door.
Speaker 2:You know, damn, at this young age, right here, man, it's real, I could like really lose my life. What were some of the things that you turned to that kept your mind off of those type of things?
Speaker 4:Like sports, I'm going to say like Playing basketball, or just like being more with my friends, like challenging Every moment with them, because like damn I could lose them. One of y'all ass Would be dead. I could be dead the next day.
Speaker 3:Try talking to Mike. Hey, try talking to Mike, bro.
Speaker 2:I bet Dang. So you know man Dang so you know like when. What was some of the early influences of music growing up? Like what was some of your early influences?
Speaker 4:We had Chief Keef and Lil Durk and Lil Reese. Those was our influence.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh.
Speaker 4:Because we saw them niggas the other day.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:Right, so like to the world these niggas style stuff. These is regular niggas styles, these regular niggas.
Speaker 3:But it's like damn, these niggas, somebody. They made it. You was taking up for us. What's your McCallum so much in the stew? I thought he was your fluid. Oh, twister nah.
Speaker 2:So being as though that like Twister music yeah that was my mama.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was in my household.
Speaker 4:I was my mama, and, like my step-pops, he listened to it too, you know. Yeah, that's how I know, like Twista was hot Like he was trying to tell me Twista wasn't the fucking top what you say he wasn't the top.
Speaker 2:He had his time. He never ran the game, he never had a time he never ran the game.
Speaker 4:He had a time.
Speaker 3:He never ran the game Twisted, no, but when it came to, like when it came to, that when it came to that.
Speaker 2:All right, tell me the year he ran it.
Speaker 3:No no, he was, though Tell me the year he ran it.
Speaker 2:It probably was like 2003, 2004. Maybe 02. When Nelly was out no, that fast flow shit, that's our flow. He conquered that Country. Grammar was out, twister Rant Alright, we ain't gonna do this right now. Alright, we are going for an hour. Same here. College Dropout Drop White boy. We ain't gonna do this.
Speaker 3:Get Richard Dodd trying what 03? But Twister Rant. We did this Two hours in the studio, bro, bro.
Speaker 4:Okay that. Okay that man told me Okay Interviews, I mean name a Twister album. Bro Twister didn't sign the state property on Rockafella.
Speaker 1:Name a Twister album Name a Twister album.
Speaker 3:He was Am I lying Name, a Twister album, rockafella man, twister the goat man.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Name a Twister album. Uh, yeah, uh.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2:He got me on camera. Yeah, I know You're a fucking nut being raped on O-Block, bro, you're a nut.
Speaker 3:You're a nut, you're a nut. You're a nut, you're a nut, you're a nut, you're a nut, you're a nut, you're a nut, you're a nut, you're a nut.
Speaker 2:You're a nut you on that.
Speaker 3:It's a box shoe, box man.
Speaker 2:So you know, yeah, you know y'all seeing Dirk in them, right, because I ain't going front Like that era, right there, that era, not only did y'all see something change in Chicago, we seen something change in the game.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying Bro, it really affected us the same way as y'all Like you would have thought we was from there, I feel like it did too, and we had another argument in the studio, I ain't gonna break it up.
Speaker 4:And you said the same thing I said and no bullshit.
Speaker 3:I don't even remember this one. No bullshit like oh, I remember, we gonna bring that up later, we gonna bring that up later and being this, though that, like now, you actually in philly, you get to see it.
Speaker 2:But nah, bro, that the the way that they altered they self and came into the game. Bro, that changed the world bro shubat look at me, niggas.
Speaker 4:Love y'all, bro like no yeah, I'm saying for sure, like and I go not like growing up like my neighbors always had a big spot, like anywhere.
Speaker 4:Like you travel, you tell me from Chicago they old, old blah, ooh, nope, right. I never like understood like how big it was until I became an artist and move around. And I move around, I mean like real genuine motherfuckers do really fuck with what we got going on the movement, bro, and I'm like damn yeah, excuse me, it's kids in Philadelphia that's emulating that one movement in all different parts of the city right now and as we speak.
Speaker 2:For sure, bro, y'all have so much influence. That's why I'd be like glad to sit down and talk with y'all, so that way we could show not only the world but these kids that's in Philadelphia that y'all are a lot smarter Than what y'all depicted to be and what y'all be looking like and going off that Cause he did it perfectly.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 3:He did it perfectly and I'ma roll off that. I asked Munna the same thing. Like we ain't gonna be getting up here Making an old block. Look like how the fucking world. Already tried to paint y'all. You feel me? We was talking to Munna. He said people think this, people think that Like our moms was real.
Speaker 4:Live good moms Right Hell yeah, yeah, you doing that Get the fucking out.
Speaker 3:You can't hang with them.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my mama didn't even let me outside. I snuck outside.
Speaker 3:Right. So what? I'm a man. He didn't even let me outside.
Speaker 3:I snuck outside Right so what I want to do now. Right, because that's why we really the most and we different from y'all, because I seen Ari's shoebox baby interview and y'all asking about dead people, guns, this jail, that Federal, negative, negative, negative, federal. Before we get to the negative, we going to get to the positive first Facts, for sure you, before we get to the negative, we going to get to the positive first Facts. You feel me, first and foremost so for all the people out here who going to view this man, if you was to think this video was going to get a million views, man, like, just have that in your head when you answer this. What stereotypes do you want to address now? Like to the people that think O'Block, just a bunch of gangsters that's going to kill you the minute they hear the myths, yeah like what you want to say to them.
Speaker 3:People, man.
Speaker 4:I don't really got nothing to say to them because they outside looking in.
Speaker 3:So it don't really matter to you for a minute.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it don't really matter because they outside looking in. So it's like I ain't really got nothing to say and it's opinion based anyway right right, you can't tell me no facts on it because you outside looking in.
Speaker 2:Right so how you gonna tell me about the inside of y'all's that yeah, you know, because it's so crazy bro, like they look at y'all crazy bro, they think so bad, bro, bro I had a great time with you, bro, the whole time you've been here.
Speaker 3:bro, you are really a good guy bro Genuine funny, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Man bro, I love that kid bro. I don't want to do nothing but make plays and do shit for him.
Speaker 3:For sure he got a great heart bro and I need to see him win. I need to see y'all win. Bro and Shoebox, keep it a bean on camera, bro. If you really want everything, keep it a bean. If you feel different, say it Y'all ain't get treated like kings out here bro.
Speaker 2:Y'all ain't get treated like princes out here bro, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3:Oh, all right, red carpet treatment, Right, niggas bro.
Speaker 1:It's just like at the end of the day, I'm glad. Shout out to Manny215, man glad.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Manny. Shout out, manny bro. He's very important A person To Philadelphia and he a very important person To us Like seriously. So shout out to Manny bro.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Manny, so like Look at him.
Speaker 4:He try to die to see that man.
Speaker 3:He try to be thorough. What?
Speaker 2:you see, in the car, it's okay.
Speaker 4:It's okay to smile when it's a good moment.
Speaker 3:Hey, yo Give me a round of applause, man I need a round of applause man yeah man, it's okay to smile.
Speaker 2:You can say good news man.
Speaker 3:My boy Betty crazy so you know like.
Speaker 1:I mean.
Speaker 2:Coming up, y'all you know, influences, dirt, chief Keef. What gave you that spark Like, let me try this shit out.
Speaker 4:Man I seen Vaughn bring $100,000 to the neighborhood and give it out, Not for sure until Shout out that man.
Speaker 2:Hey, yo See what I'm saying. Hey, bro, when he put that shit out, bro, the city went crazy. Not y'all city, our city. Yo you see, vaughn just broke down a beam. Yo, bro, that's every. I'ma fuck the kids at this point. Every nigga in the street want that to happen, every nigga. They can't wait for whoever the top niggas in their crew, whatever they pushing towards, if they selling birds, if they selling records, if they selling whatever t-shirts, they can't wait for them niggas To come back and put a bean on the table and say this for you, this for you and this for you. Nobody be doing that shit, bro.
Speaker 4:If so, that's some rare shit.
Speaker 3:Super rare. I just seen this Fabio interview. He was on my expert Opinion about man 5. Shout out to them. But he said he was doing all this shit for his niggas, like buying them this before he even bought his mom's shit. He said you know what them niggas was saying to me? Yo King Von, the realest nigga, he did that for his niggas and 5-0, like damn, you ain't even promoting what I did for y'all, like that.
Speaker 3:You telling everybody that that's vaughn just was different with everything you know, like bro, really like the king of this, when he was alive, bro, like he really was going in a bigger direction, like I ain't going live, bro, like a couple, couple more months to a year. It's a year and a half, bro. He might have been bigger than smart. He was out of here, he was on that, he was on that path, bro, he was on that path. But I ain't going to lie, man, I know that's a sensitive subject for you and we're going to get back to him later. So, all right, boom right. So you said you Would you finish or you had more. What gave you that spark? You seen Ron do that.
Speaker 4:That was a spark.
Speaker 3:Okay, that was.
Speaker 4:That was the full motivation when I saw that.
Speaker 3:I was wrapped. This is your joint. Yeah, you so.
Speaker 2:So like you straight, you cool baby.
Speaker 3:Yeah, come on, man, we running this show together, baby Cause, I just, I just was on a tape time like that was your spark, right, right. But like, did you do it with the intentions, like because when we was talking to mana he was on a type time like I was already, but once we lost vine, then it was like I was the hope and so did you do it with the same intentions? Or you just was on some like was it like I'm running with Munna? Or like, was it like just you just started rapping out of nowhere, like I could do this shit?
Speaker 4:I got a fluence by him because I seen him do it and I seen where he came from and he ain't come from like no rapping background.
Speaker 3:Who Munna or Vine Vine? He ain't come from like no rapping background.
Speaker 2:Who Munna or Vaughn, he ain't come from no rapping background, so it's like when, like he just had like a whole bunch of practice or like a whole. You just saw him just do it and it went.
Speaker 4:And I'm like, damn, I could do that. I think I could do it. Fire he from the same place as me. So I'm like, why not give it a try?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no doubt he looking out for all his friends.
Speaker 4:Why can't he look out for all my friends?
Speaker 2:No doubt, no doubt. So damn, I ain't going front, bro. Y'all niggas man, y'all amaze me every time. Y'all amaze me every time. So when he bust down that beam and that shit gave you the motivation. What was that like first song that you did, or that first track you did? That was like oh all right, damn, this sound pretty good, like I could really do this shit I might really, really could do this shit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:I mean I don't know, like when I first like my first song, I'm like I ain't gonna lie, I think I went to go record like the next day or some shit Right after that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I ain't gonna lie Cause you ain't been rapping for like two, three years.
Speaker 4:That's it, right it just took three years, like last week. Okay, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1:Damn he got a birthday for that shit.
Speaker 4:So I I was just recording for like four, five months straight, Never dropped no music. I was just like yeah just shooting in the gym and I made a song and I'm like damn, I think.
Speaker 2:I got it. What was that song?
Speaker 4:It was called Capiloflo. It's my first song out that you put out, first song I ever put out. What is it called Capiloflo?
Speaker 3:Capiloflo Like Polo G Capil so like when I put it out.
Speaker 4:I'm like, damn, I put it out. Imagine I only got like 2,000 followers. I put it out I did 100,000 views in a month.
Speaker 2:Just off of that.
Speaker 4:Just off that.
Speaker 2:The put out joint.
Speaker 4:Just the put out. I'm like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:I don't even know 100,000. What year?
Speaker 4:is this. This is the middle middle, the summer of 2021.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, I was like Damn y'all.
Speaker 2:Y'all hear that Kids y'all got to Chase. Y'all dream man, don't, don't let nobody Tell y'all that. Tell me For sure. So, so, so you, basically you blew up instantly.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:I.
Speaker 3:I caught a spark instantly, yep All right and is that from like being from where?
Speaker 4:you from, or that was, yeah, the quality of the music being from where I'm from was it played a big part, because it was like Von had just passed, like he just like passed like recently, I want to say like a year and a half before this, and that was like recently, I want to say like a year and a half before that.
Speaker 1:So now it was like ass was on us Like what's next, who's next?
Speaker 4:So I mean it played a big part in like my talent.
Speaker 2:The quality.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like I had potential.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, Dang. So after you put out Capital Outflow like, and that shit instantly caught that spark, what was your mind thinking? Take me back to that time when you clicked on your inside. I'm like you seen the thing, why not?
Speaker 4:When I saw it, I'm like damn man, I'm ready to drop again. I'm tired of waiting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I shot a plan.
Speaker 4:I'm like man, nah, I'm ready to drop. That's what I just got consistent, just dropping.
Speaker 2:And that went out.
Speaker 4:Dropping. What was next Coming to get you? Then Lemonade, Then Timmy I ain't going to lie, it took me like four fast songs and I got a big. That's what I got a big jump.
Speaker 3:I ain't going gonna lie bro bro listen, listen to what you said, though.
Speaker 2:What you did in four songs is what people work their whole career to do. Yeah, that's what labels was telling me, too.
Speaker 4:I'm telling you that in your face, right here, face to face labels, is calling me and telling me that like for your foot by the time you got to your fourth track, bro.
Speaker 2:What you accomplished by the time you got to that fourth track is what I done, seen try to do all their whole career and I know that been rapping for 20 minutes. What's that? The, the, the, the. What he accomplished in four songs. What he accomplished in four songs so far as, like the eyes on him, views and all that and and streams and all that what he accomplished in those four songs so far as, like the eyes on him, views and all that and streams and all that what he accomplished in those four songs I watch people try to accomplish in their whole career.
Speaker 3:And I'm saying, like what did you tell him? You accomplished like a million views.
Speaker 4:Nah, we didn't even get to that part yet. This the first four songs where I'm just getting that buzz.
Speaker 1:I'm getting that 100,000.
Speaker 4:First song 100,000 a month. Second song,100,000. First song $100,000 a month. Second song $100,000, I think like three weeks. Then third song, I think did like it was like $50,000 in a week. Then I came the next week with the fourth song. The fourth song did $60,000 in two days. Then that's when I got that big jump, when I dropped that song and it did $300,000 in in a day. And what song was that? 4k Troll.
Speaker 2:That's my shit bro what it's called what it's called 4K Troll, 4k Troll.
Speaker 3:That's my shit. That's when I heard of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:That's that shit. That's when the whole world heard of me. That's basically like and I ain't saying no names.
Speaker 3:But you fuck niggas up. Real shit, that shit is crazy.
Speaker 2:So by you putting that out and you getting that great spark and that big spark Like you, was taking meetings Like label meetings Hell yeah.
Speaker 4:I was taking label meetings that day. Yeah, that day. And what stopped you from? What stopped you?
Speaker 3:from Signing to people.
Speaker 4:The money? The money ain't never. Yeah, and what stopped you from signing the people? The money ain't never. That ain't the problem, because this shit bigger than the money.
Speaker 3:They probably telling you some shit you already got. This shit is living.
Speaker 4:I ain't even looking at it as just like I'm having fun with this shit now.
Speaker 2:I ain't doing this shit just to feed the team.
Speaker 4:I'm doing this shit because this shit is fun. I love to do it now. So it's like it wasn't the team. I'm doing this shit because this shit is fun, I love to do it now. It wasn't the money, it was just the terms and conditions. That shit ain't sound right.
Speaker 3:What type of giving up being mastered Shit like that, yeah.
Speaker 4:Five projects and shit like that.
Speaker 2:They trying.
Speaker 4:I had a label try to give me $2.5 million.
Speaker 3:For five projects.
Speaker 4:For five albums.
Speaker 3:Yeah, two point over what year span? Though Five, one year span, oh.
Speaker 4:Knock out five of them it was projects.
Speaker 2:Oh projects Five projects.
Speaker 4:So they was going to break that shit down by the projects.
Speaker 3:Like a project a year?
Speaker 2:No, it depended on how they dropped.
Speaker 4:Now look, that's the tricky part.
Speaker 3:I'm about to say it.
Speaker 4:They'll tell you five projects, right, you're going gonna be like Damn Fab projects. That ain't shit. I can knock that out In a month or two. No, that shit ain't going like that Like they line you up. Alright, let's say you. Let's say you signed, bam, you signed for the 2.5 million. They probably give you 350 400 up front. Bam, you get 350 400 up front.
Speaker 1:Now they tell you Now they tell you.
Speaker 4:Now they tell you Look, now they tell you Yo, you'll get another advance For another like 250. After when the first project, the completion of the first project. It ain't no time limit On when the completion Of the first project. Oh, okay, okay, so you can chill, you can lose a spark and have to build your way.
Speaker 1:Back up and then they shelf you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you still haven't got this first project. You're running all your money out now and you're still looking for the second event.
Speaker 4:And it's four years. It's been four years now and you ain't did the first project and you calling them asking them when you can put your project out, because they holding your date up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they talk about your beats.
Speaker 4:Need clearances and this and that and they got to approve the shit you turning in. They probably don't even like the songs Exactly, or they probably just stall it because you ain't got no way your way is going right now.
Speaker 1:That's what me and D-Sturton was talking about.
Speaker 2:And there's one word I want you to always look into in your contracts moving forward Perpetuity. Look into that. They try to keep that and they try to hook you and they hate you forever. Even when you're not signed to them and you making money, they'll hold you to it. School will make it a percentage Off of you, off your likeness.
Speaker 4:Yeah, for sure. That's why I just like Stay independent. For sure Cause, like I learned the game, I ain't gonna lie I took a break like 20, like I wanna say like Because, like I learned the game, like I ain't going to lie, I took a break like 20, like I want to say, like 2020, like the end of 2022, beginning of 2023, I kind of took a break, not like because I needed to, it was like I needed to, but it was like I needed to, just like deal with life.
Speaker 4:I got to catch the cases. Yeah, had to get to dealing with Like relationship problems, family problems, right, my homie and them Getting locked up. So it's like man.
Speaker 2:Real life shit going on, yeah like. Life really going on and at this time and y'all want me to do this? Rap, shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, at this time I'm just turning 21, so it's like I'm just walking Into a dope world. So now it's like Damn this shit Getting to me. I gotta chill. Yeah, it's hitting me Like Real life.
Speaker 3:Bills hitting me. People depending on me, hitting me. Real shit, real rap.
Speaker 4:Pregnancy scares hitting me, all type of silly ass shit County jail, like what the fuck?
Speaker 3:I don't know Nothing about this shit.
Speaker 4:So now it's like I had to take a toll. But like, Like you know, I had to take a, I had to chill, but it took a toll on my career because I had to sit out. But I had to get my mind right because your mental, that shit everything. If you ain't got your mental, I don't give a fuck how much money you got any of that nothing's going to be right. You're going to drive yourself crazy because your mental's not right.
Speaker 3:That mental health shit that shit real serious. You being 23 and saying shit like that, that's crazy, bro, because your mental not right, that's right. That mental health shit, that shit real sick. You being 23 and saying shit like that, that's crazy, bro.
Speaker 2:You going to live a life, that's what we talk about they a lot smarter than they be depicted to be. Bro, it's like it be crazy. Yeah, it be crazy.
Speaker 3:I wanted to ask you this man, because, on some real shit, bro, I grew up off old block bro and like, literally, like I show money to the tat, Like I should say 6,100. That is literally because Chief Keef got something called 300. Now me and 30 other niggas got this tat. That's really our block Like. And so my question is going to be a little bit different, because I be really trying. I be really trying, no, no, no, y'all like Feel what I'm saying? Like shit, like Duvon Chief I never Heard none of them talk about like they had a 9 to 5 before. But I heard you talk about it and you was like yeah, bro, I'm shoebox because when I had a job, I ain't never had no bank. My man should be putting his shit in a bank. I just had my little Air Force One shoebox.
Speaker 2:Like shit, like that interests me because you feel me, I fuck with that, I fuck with that yeah, so like. And Cam though even. Cam sat in that same chair where you sitting at, and I can't remember if it was on camera or off camera, but we was talking. And then that little nigga looked up at me and he said ain't nothing wrong with a job, Real shit.
Speaker 3:So ain't nothing wrong with a job when you work at Like. How was it I?
Speaker 4:was working at Wendy's and I was working at a salad place while I was in high school.
Speaker 3:That was a high school, so you became shoebox baby, just putting that money in a shoebox, just stacking bread, that's how you save your money.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because it was like I ain't know how to you know.
Speaker 2:Do banking.
Speaker 4:I ain't know how to right and it was like I ain't know how to sell drugs and none of that shit.
Speaker 1:So it was like motherfucker gotta eat too.
Speaker 4:You know, I risked my life, shit. You risk your life selling drugs, shit. I risked my life doing the nine to five.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Like no risk, no reward.
Speaker 3:Real shit bro. All right man, damn that shit, crazy man.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna lie bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Because you wouldn't think that, like, you know what I'm saying, but you know, unless they tell it they wouldn't think that. They'd think they just thugs. Hoodlums With no brain.
Speaker 4:Because after all that thugging like how you gonna help OG with the bills, how you gonna help Lil Bro with his football equipment.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:No, I know how you gonna still look fresh for the girls and right, so you can still live life and feel normal.
Speaker 2:you know yeah right, got to make that paper, so so all right but like bible song from uh vine, you know crazy story 60, 60.
Speaker 3:I'm from 63rd, so I wanna ask a question Right, how did it get the 60th cool, 61st cool, 62nd cool, fuck, 63rd, 64th, cool, like, how did y'all just skip a block? Is that like some history shit Cause y'all literally Cool, all the blocks.
Speaker 4:But that One block so how that happen.
Speaker 3:Shit. And they right in the mix of y'all, literally like all the blocks but that one block. So how that happened. And they right in the mix of your change. Of it happens, you know yeah yeah, shit happen yeah and I wasn't even talking about like trying to you go into it. I just was wondering like yeah how did 63rd just become the, the block like and y'all?
Speaker 1:all in a row.
Speaker 3:So it's literally like if you walk up King Drive like 59th, 60th, 61st, 62nd, it's literally like just fuck 63rd and then 64th. So y'all don't like, none of your homies, don't be on 63rd and King Drive.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like all them blocks. You said don't nobody like 63rd.
Speaker 3:It's just like no. So do people. So my question is do people be on 63rd and King Drive? Or it's like you got be on 63rd and go that way and then that's the you know what.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to say yeah, it'd be people on 63rd, but it's like yeah.
Speaker 3:They just don't like a train or some shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's a train right there, but like I don't know, I'm trying to think like why people don't like?
Speaker 3:them no.
Speaker 4:Because, like I don't know, I don't know, people just don't like it. Because, like they just like filthy bro yeah.
Speaker 3:63rd just is all. Don't nobody like dirty people, bro? Yeah, so they just always known for that.
Speaker 4:You know they dirty.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man.
Speaker 4:Shoebox where you pick up some of your Character traits. Man, is it like Before this rap?
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:I think I get from Marlo the King. You know what I mean. Yeah, I think I get from Martin Luther King Dang. No no, no, no, I don't know, I think I just get my. That's just me shit, you know? Yeah, you funny as shit.
Speaker 1:He was bad dog For real. I'm trying with you man.
Speaker 3:He looked at it like he was serious.
Speaker 2:Yo, that's why I said you hear me, I'm like damn Yo that's crazy dog.
Speaker 3:So what y'all?
Speaker 4:No, because, like you know, like I want to know if like Chicago more than like kids, raising kids like at a young age.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Chicago is a place where everyone is grown early. Yeah, and not by option, right, by force. Right, everybody grown, everybody grown, the females grown, they ain't got they dirty, so they looking for love. They run into these young, these young popping them off. Now they forced to be Mamas. You know right, yeah, these young ain't got no deity, so it's like they gotta be the man in the house so I was talking and I, yeah, y'all talk like y'all old as shit, y'all carry yourself like grown-ass men yeah like people be have to remind me like 23,.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. I be feeling old, though I ain't go live. I was just telling I be like damn, I ain't go live for 23. I feel old as hell. I feel like I live a lot of like no speaking of that right going off, that my phone call you.
Speaker 3:Good, uh, you, 23. 19 and mana was explaining us to like y'all all from o block, but it's like these was with chief because of the age.
Speaker 4:But I'm with this group like right, so so which one is you in?
Speaker 3:Munna's or theirs? Cause you 23, that's in the middle.
Speaker 4:I'm really like what I oh, so you and Asia, we all in the same age group yeah cause Sosa and I'm like what I think Sosa and I'm like like 28 26, 27, 28, yeah. I know they was like, probably like six, seven years older than me, close to the 30s now yeah that's big bro. Now.
Speaker 3:Yo, I just was man to go off topic. I just was on FaceTime. Lil Reese, this nigga said he never been to Philly.
Speaker 4:Huh.
Speaker 3:Bro, he said that I was just on.
Speaker 4:FaceTime Reesey ass right here, yo this nigga's.
Speaker 3:Bro, what law he bro Me and Manny talking, shout out, lil mook too. Man he in the building. I just was talking a little reese on facetime he said, yeah, I gotta come out there. I've never been to philly.
Speaker 4:That's crazy, I don't know how.
Speaker 1:Tell me we got, we bring him out here man we got rusey on the phone, the camera oh
Speaker 4:he said he been a long time ago. You got Reesey on the phone.
Speaker 3:I told them you ain't never been to Philly V. Grab your phone, get this, the camera.
Speaker 2:Oh he said he been there a long time ago Me. Yeah, I think they took it to 20th and Schneider, I remember, I think I remember that.
Speaker 3:Oh, why you looking like that? So he was here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was with Jeezy out there Tell him, you live on the interview you in that mode.
Speaker 4:I'm on phone now.
Speaker 1:I'm on phone now.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to get like you folks. I'm on 30 day restriction, man, I can't even do it.
Speaker 1:What you at you good though.
Speaker 4:Shit while you're doing this podcast. They was just telling me you ain't never been up we gonna get him down here, man Look at the moves.
Speaker 2:P-Flo-A-O.
Speaker 4:He said he was in the One time, like 10 years ago, though, yeah that shit was, I know, dreams and Nightmares time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he about to come here On his time, though I wanna say something to him. I wanna say something to him.
Speaker 3:We'll get that nigga A flight, airbnb, hotel, flight back.
Speaker 4:All that Come on the podcast. They need to put you on the podcast.
Speaker 2:Flight here At the I need to put you on the podcast.
Speaker 3:Flight here Really the most. Come on, reese, really the most. Tell them, we FaceTimed him with Munna? I did, we was in the Akis, tell them, two, three days ago. We was with Munna, oh yeah, and we put him on the phone FaceTime you like.
Speaker 1:two, three days ago, the same niggas.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, why you looking?
Speaker 3:like that on David.
Speaker 4:Hey, I'm going to get on with you, man, because I see what you want. Man, I'm going to get on with you, fam.
Speaker 3:Shout out Reesey man. Fo's crazy too that nigga like he unpredictable or something. You never know what he into, that nigga?
Speaker 4:though I ain't going to lie to you, baby. That man funny as hell man. Yeah, that boy funny bro. No bullshit bro.
Speaker 2:So when you courted that spark and it's like you dropped that joint, that got like the 300,000 and all that Did you start planning out after that? Like after that, when you got all of them views, did you start planning your shit? After that, it was just go, it was super, just go, go, freestyle now I was like man.
Speaker 4:I'm in the studio every day now now I take that back. Before that I was in the studio every day, I ain't gonna lie. Every day, day and night. I wasn't even letting the guys come. I used to go to the studio every. But when I say every day, every day, every day, bro, I was in the studio, bro. At that time, like my first four, five months, I had like 300 songs already, for real. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Fire For sure I ain't gonna lie your work out there, so wait where you get that work ethnic from, though Shit, I was just hungry, yo, that's crazy, I was just hungry.
Speaker 3:That's it yeah All right.
Speaker 4:I ain't know like working hard was abnormal shit. I was just hungry because I was like reaching for some shit. So you wasn't in a studio with other artists before you actually started working like that. No, I had 300 songs with no features. Wow.
Speaker 3:Fine.
Speaker 1:My first 10 songs.
Speaker 3:Out was with no.
Speaker 1:I never did no features.
Speaker 4:Wow, fine, my first 10 songs out was with no features, nobody the first 10 songs Right here, yeah, no features the production my production team started forced me to do songs with people I'm like bro, I don't want to do that shit you know your work ethic, your work ethic, that's crazy, bro.
Speaker 2:You got crazy work ethic 300 songs.
Speaker 3:That work. I think. 300 songs, that's dope. That means you was on something, you wanted something. Look yeah it's you.
Speaker 2:I got this seed in my phone. Damn, what's this you showing all?
Speaker 3:the seconds. You don't even got no dress. You're showing all the songs, right? Yeah, told you. That's why, when you said that I'm like yo, I got that she's saying saw 50 songs Trying to pick out a tape. Bro, literally I say that shit to my phone Last month. I be telling these niggas I really fuck with y'all. He tapped, done Super tapped. He just scrolling.
Speaker 4:All songs he tapped, done this shit saved in my fucking that was 50 new songs 50 old songs.
Speaker 2:I'm tapped done, so you be how many projects you got out right now like I got one tape and one ep out okay, okay I'm out 2022 though okay, okay, all this old, so what's up now? Yeah, yeah, hey, bro, you, you, you ain't gonna front man, y'all amaze me, man. That's why I like sitting down talking to y'all Amuse me, man.
Speaker 2:That's why I like sitting down and talking to y'all Because, like, see, these little niggas think that they make one song, they shoot a video and they sign the dub jam. That's what these niggas think, bro, and you just sat here and told me that, when you start rapping, that you was in there by yourself. Fuck the gang, Fuck the gang, Fuck these bitches, Fuck the family. I'm going to go ahead and lock in. And you got to make 300 songs. He just showed his 50. So, bro, you know what I mean. Bro. So, like, that's what I be like needing these little niggas to understand out here is that your work ethic, even after you get a so-called deal quote unquote deal you still got to work harder than that after that.
Speaker 4:Right, you can't never get comfortable, never.
Speaker 3:Never. People think you get a deal and you last I made it Feet up. No.
Speaker 2:I got a deal.
Speaker 1:That's when the work starts. That's nothing but a deal. No, you just I'm going to have to.
Speaker 2:That's when the work starts. That's nothing but a no. You just I ain't gonna go three times harder now Cause you just signed a loan. Yeah, that's all you did, and then you got more competition.
Speaker 3:But go ahead though, bro.
Speaker 4:Go ahead I ain't, I ain't gonna make it like I had it all figured out. That was me at the time. Right, like you know, I started making money off it. I saved a hundred thousand on rapping. I'm like damn, I've been rapping.
Speaker 3:Hold up, hold up, hold up. What? Why? You just going to skip over that. You mean what I'm?
Speaker 4:rapping. No, I'm saying like when I first started, like my first year.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you mean yeah, wow. Yeah, that ain't regular, bro, you can't speed past that. Yeah, you saying that shit like it's regular, I'm trying to make $100 million, man, I ain't think about no, $100 million. No, look though Look, look, look though Shoebox. I'm trying to tell you, bro Talk to him Listen, Talk to him. You just sped past that like it was like bro, $100,000, first year of rapping that's crazy. No signed contracts that's crazy At all Bro, it's some motherfuckers who signed.
Speaker 2:Contracts and don't be saying that.
Speaker 3:And never seen 75. Am I lying, bro? Real?
Speaker 4:shit.
Speaker 3:Never seen 75. That's facts, and you made that. What a deal, bro. They never See that much money.
Speaker 2:You feel me? What song was it? That's fucking crazy bro.
Speaker 1:What song was it when?
Speaker 2:you started to make money.
Speaker 4:It was the 4K Trolls song I started, but that song helped the other fast songs. So now I got fast songs all streaming and I'm still dropping.
Speaker 3:And after that song, I dropped every Friday. I mean the year 2022, I dropped every Friday Like in a month. I mean in the year 2022, I dropped 42 singles.
Speaker 4:Yo, give this nigga like eight round of applause 16 in a month.
Speaker 1:Double up.
Speaker 2:Like real shit.
Speaker 4:I dropped like 42 singles, bro Yo.
Speaker 2:Come on man.
Speaker 3:All right, bro, that's what I said. Y'all niggas is not working.
Speaker 4:Niggas not working bro said Y'all niggas is not working, Nigga's not working bro.
Speaker 3:Y'all is not working. Y'all not working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, y'all not he just said I put out 42 singles. Y'all niggas can't put out four. Y'all calling me, y'all on my line now Trying to get me to put this. Do this, that and the third. This nigga just said he put out two singles.
Speaker 3:Talk to him, white boy.
Speaker 2:Stop fucking calling me Talk to him, white boy, what? The fuck.
Speaker 3:Stop calling me A shoebox man who your favorite top five mainstream right now?
Speaker 2:No Top mainstream. How we gonna do? We gotta do the John Chicago.
Speaker 3:That's later.
Speaker 4:You know why you said later, because that's how the fucking argument came about last night in the studio. No, that's later.
Speaker 3:That's later. You know why you said later?
Speaker 4:Because that's how the fucking argument came about last night in the studio. The top five Chicago.
Speaker 3:No, that's later, bro, mainstream. Go mainstream, please, Mainstream bro, there's a reason I'm doing that, though. This is going to be a whole hour and a half if you do it that way, mainstream. There's a reason I'm doing that, bro.
Speaker 2:Mainstream Right now, yeah, right now I'm going to say Future Smirk.
Speaker 4:This ain't no order either. I'm going to say Future Smirk, Rowdy Rich, You're like dang.
Speaker 2:I like that. That's what it is. I never heard nobody say that.
Speaker 4:Future Smirk Rowdy Rich.
Speaker 3:Who do I? Want to say Future Smirk, rowdy Rich, roddy Ricch who, I want to say Smirk.
Speaker 4:Roddy Ricch, roddy Ricch. I'm trying to see, though, because I listen to a lot of people, though I ain't going to lie, I listen to music.
Speaker 3:Mainstream. I'm trying to see Mainstream though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, mainstream Chicago, it's crazy. Y'all got a lot of mainstream.
Speaker 4:Man, I ain't gonna lie, fuse and Smirk. Roddy, ricch, roddy, ricch, lil Yachty, I'm gonna say Lil Yachty. Oh, thank you bro.
Speaker 3:Finally some fucking body bro. Oh, my God bro. Thank you bro. And I'm trying to see who I want. To pick my last one, bro. Nah, never mind, bro, you L bro Bro Manny know, bro you L, bro you L. You know what I mean. Come on, bro. No, niggas don't know. That's the problem.
Speaker 2:Who don't know?
Speaker 3:Niggas.
Speaker 4:So I been up on Lil Yachty. I was listening to Lil Yachty when I was a 14.
Speaker 2:I was just reading our relationship bro, go ahead bro, like one night all right, he had five. The first one we're on five.
Speaker 4:The fifth one I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3:You fired for that who I wanna that feel, because I ain't gonna ask a couple people and yachty and the gold cash.
Speaker 4:One of one of y'all would say something bad about Yachty bro.
Speaker 3:There's nothing bad you can say about him.
Speaker 1:There's really nothing bad you can say about him it's not.
Speaker 2:It is, but you I'm going to go with. You can always critique anybody. I'm going to go with Sosa.
Speaker 4:I got to go with Sosa. Sosa. He on the run right now.
Speaker 3:I got to go with salsa yeah, that's a that's almighty soup almighty, so two is crazy. That's it. That's a strong. Go get the almighty two.
Speaker 4:Yeah go get that man. You need to hear a social and shoebox you need to hear a social shoebox.
Speaker 3:Asap man yeah, go get that sure all, right now, you answer your and you won.
Speaker 2:What, what, what mainstream?
Speaker 3:No, we did mainstream, now All right, so all right.
Speaker 2:Your top five Chicago.
Speaker 4:Smurfs Sosa Smirk Sosa, herb, smirk Sosa, herb. Yeah, smirk, sosa.
Speaker 1:Herb, damn y'all Crazy man Take your time man.
Speaker 4:Damn. All right, because I remember what I said last night, but I had to rearrange it though I ain't gonna lie, okay. So Smirk, smirk, sosa, herb, herb, you said that, polo, oh.
Speaker 1:I forgot about Polo G. I said them names Come on.
Speaker 4:I forgot about Polo G and I'm gonna go Kanye West.
Speaker 3:Ooh, my man.
Speaker 2:My fucking man Fuck that list up.
Speaker 4:That's my list.
Speaker 2:So all right. So what about the top five young niggas Like your niggas, range niggas?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like yeah.
Speaker 2:Don't put me on the whatchamacallit.
Speaker 3:Don't put me on the whatchamacallit he hard.
Speaker 2:That five Von off 1700?
Speaker 3:No, not him. He hard too. Which 17 no, not him. He hard, too hard, I don't know 17.
Speaker 4:uh, moon, moon yeah I'm both all right. Y'all heard anything shout out fast yg f, so yfg I'm gonna say my top half, my top five youngest right now. Not a clue myself, right um I'm gonna say ike ike you morning you know, I said big chubs.
Speaker 4:I give you more big chubs shout-outs. I got a lot big chubs heart big chug. I'm gonna see about big chug. He just like, he like that we come open like biggie. Okay, you know that smiles out block yeah so I'm gonna say I big chubs, mmm, fine, I'll 17 honey, right well, G Faso and the last one who I Von. I was 1,700. Right, we have G-Feso.
Speaker 3:And the last one who I want to say, who I want to say though I'm going to say MAF Teesky, okay yeah, because the MAF Teesky and Von are 1,700. I heard of them together yeah. Because of 3AM in Chicago. I never heard of neither one of them until like 3-4 days before you came here.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they smooth.
Speaker 3:And then y'all was playing them for me and the fucking nigga of 1700 had like 10 million views or something.
Speaker 4:I'm like damn he popping like this Shorty on the rent right now look.
Speaker 3:I'll be so on shit, bro, I know the Sun. After two, three songs they play me what I say yo. He bring him back. He Swing my door.
Speaker 4:Swing my door.
Speaker 3:He about to bring that's what he's doing. That's his way, like if somebody do that y'all copy.
Speaker 4:When I first met him. When I first met him, we was in the studio it was me, reesey V's, the DCG brother. He came with the DCG brother. Shout out to them too. He came with them and he's playing some shit. I'm like I ain't gonna lie, I'm like damn, I'm like you know, I'm one of them guys who just don't be praised to everybody, but like if I praise you, that means you really got potential, yeah. And like I ain't gonna lie Anybody, I praise they really. They done made it so well, far Right.
Speaker 4:Right, it's like when I get that feeling about a motherfucker, I know like that's what's going on. So like that's how I feel about Big Chubbs, but like that's how I told Vod, I'm like I ain't gonna lie, you got it and your beat selection. You know how to pick a beat.
Speaker 2:I ain't gonna lie. Y'all put me on them niggas.
Speaker 4:I ain't never heard of them, niggas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they hot right now, yeah they hot Smokin I got one question.
Speaker 4:Man Since Chicago been pushing P, I've been looking out there Like you think? Everything is still the same.
Speaker 3:Chicago, nigga one nigga doing that.
Speaker 4:That shit for the internet it's the same shit.
Speaker 3:One nigga doing that.
Speaker 4:I'ma say I'ma say like Chicago rappers like like we working together, more like that unity going on. That's really where I like Everybody bubbling Cause, everybody working together. Now, that's what I was pretty much Was talking about, okay.
Speaker 1:So what.
Speaker 2:You just dropped 20 minutes ago.
Speaker 4:That's what's up, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You gave us an exclusive.
Speaker 3:We got to play that shit live.
Speaker 4:In the beginning of the podcast.
Speaker 2:Talk to me about this new project.
Speaker 4:This new project. It's called Make O Block Great Again. Okay, so like that's the movement.
Speaker 2:That's hard, that's a fire name, it's a movement Y'all bringing it back home.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like this shit, it's a message. It ain't even a statement. It's like a message, right, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So it's like everything that got to do with the message and the movement. That shit means something, Like every little detail.
Speaker 3:How many songs will be on it?
Speaker 4:We look at that probably like we look at that 16.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, so, and I got.
Speaker 4:I ain't got no, like Ain't none of this shit organized, this shit all like A blueprint right now, like I got joint features for these motherfuckers, you know Okay okay.
Speaker 3:So listen, right. So when we first started, I told y'all I'm going to always talk about the positive before the negative, feel me. So we didn't got to the positive. Now we got to get to the negative a little bit, man, because I ain't going to lie. One thing I love about podcasting you could go on a podcast and motherfuckers can make it a you, the feds, or why you ask him that you can make it that way. Right, there's a way that you can talk about Negative shit.
Speaker 4:Positive, yeah, you feel me, let me see you do this. It's like about you know, it's all about like Code switching bro.
Speaker 2:Let me see how you go.
Speaker 3:It's like about, you know like it's all about like code switching, bro.
Speaker 4:Let me see how you go about it. It's a way to go around everything. It's a way to say shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:It ain't about what you say, it's like how you say it how you say it, so okay.
Speaker 2:Can I get a water? We got water, it's cold.
Speaker 3:Plain and simple man, do you think it'll Ever stop? Plain and simple.
Speaker 4:What like Fives, like what?
Speaker 3:Like I ain't gonna say Clicks and names, but Like One thing about me, bro I was a Chief fan From the beginning, like when Chief and SD and Go Game I know who From Front Street for real and all types of shit, bro, real rap, like I done watched three-hour documentaries and you feel what I'm saying and I also.
Speaker 4:Yeah, be careful with them, though them bitches be sick.
Speaker 3:I know that's what I say. I also know other people from Chicago and when money touched down with certain shit, I was saying and asking me like yeah, yeah, that's true. No, that ain't. Yeah, that's true. So do you think all the shit man like from the low end to the east side, to the south side, you know, is gangs we dealing with shit different here is gangs. So do you think, being as though the fact that it's gangs and this was before shoebox even was created and it was before Chief and Vaughn and Smirk Do you think for your generation and for all the other people out there growing in Chicago, do you think it's even a slim, slim chance that the violence had ever stopped? And I want your and I want your Honest opinion, cause every artist I have up here who rap and stuff, I ask them the same question. I say Be honest, you don't gotta give a thorough jaw, cause it's a. Be honest. Do you think it'll ever stop or got a chance?
Speaker 4:My only ask today Is like I hope so.
Speaker 3:Okay. Like I don't know so you ain't a fan of it.
Speaker 4:Like yeah, for sure. Like who wouldn't want to live where there's peace at?
Speaker 3:Okay, okay.
Speaker 4:Like because, like when you in this shit, like your family is involved in this shit Exactly, like it's some real fucked up niggas out here, like I can't find you, so I'll fuck one of your family members up. So it's like, yeah, I will hope for peace. I want peace. Everybody want peace in their life. Everybody want to wake up where it's not gunshots, you know.
Speaker 4:So it's like I hope, but it's like it's all like within, like you know like the people who actually like active in the streets and the people who really like raise a hill are the only ones that can really dictate that. Not no rappers. Rappers can't do that. Rappers ain't nothing but mascots and spokesmen for this shit. It got to be the hands-on people. Real deal the people who, starting the conflict, got to finish the conflict Exactly.
Speaker 3:It's a lot of converting to Islam In Chicago now. Is that helping?
Speaker 4:I mean, I want to say I say All I can say is, from what I have seen, it's helping a lot of young men and women find themselves and get closer to God. Okay, so that's what I done got out of it so far, like you know, but they have been trying and it have been improving things been improving, you know, but like really like the main thing, I can tell you 100% like it's been helping people like get they mind together and get like how they see shit in life together and shit like that.
Speaker 3:So yeah, so wishful what you, what you see yourself doing, man, like past being the artist. Past shoebox, maybe, the artist, the rapper, like how you see yourself, like going forward in the present and going forward past being an artist, like just as yourself, as a young man, I see myself being a ceo of my own label.
Speaker 4:I own, my own label because there's a lot of talent out here, yeah, and it's like you know, there's a lot of talent out here, like not just on my block, but like in the city, not just in chicago either, like in the world, and it's like people don't get that chance. Because it's like these labels, bro, like I ain't gonna lie like damn, it's ratified, it's ratified. A label that's gone my fault bro it's. It's ratified.
Speaker 4:Uh, it's rather um fan labels that see potential in you yeah and just build you labels ready, whether to see you or pop on your own, and press that button on you.
Speaker 3:They really just want to take from you. And okay, yeah, we gave you this, You're in debt with us.
Speaker 4:No, I ain't going to lie, Don't get me wrong. Labels, a lot of labels that don't be their goal. It's like a lot of labels be thinking of the quick flip, just like in the streets, you know, oh God.
Speaker 2:Like a lot of labels Be thinking of the quick flip, just like in the streets, like you know. Like a lot of niggas, they wanted to go out Real quick, want that money Real fast.
Speaker 4:So it's like A lot of labels. Want to see what you Can do on your own.
Speaker 3:And they want to be the ones.
Speaker 4:To be a plus they want to add they don't want to be the whole thing, they want to add to develop you they see you doing a million screens weekly, they want to be able to press that button and help you do two million screens weekly and we all eat off of it. But it's like a lot of go bad when, like, a lot of artists don't know like what they getting themselves into with these contracts or when these artists game.
Speaker 2:You can't be leaning on a label.
Speaker 4:You can, can't be doing that.
Speaker 2:Well, I was going to say you familiar with Trap Laura Ross? Yeah, give me your thoughts on him. Are y'all familiar with him? He's fairytale, oh yeah, he's fairytale, bro he's another outside looking in. Right Like.
Speaker 4:I was telling you earlier in the podcast, like I don't really got no opinion on people outside looking in Because they can't tell me no facts, because they looking inside they not actually inside, you can't tell me nothing.
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Speaker 3:If you don't use a motherfucking hater because it's free, Don't fuck with haters.
Speaker 4:I see the shit he be doing.
Speaker 2:I be just like damn, they can do anything yeah.
Speaker 4:I respect, don't get me wrong, I respect his hustle Later. I respect he making a living out of this shit. He try to feed him and his family. I just don't respect, like you, tarnishing people's characters.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 4:Like you, making up shit, Like you got the whole world thinking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, violent serial killer, like. What the fuck? Why would you label with that? Yeah, like, and then run with it and have this shit clickbait all around the world. I get it. Have this shit click bait all around the world.
Speaker 4:I get it, yeah, so now you making this shit like it's a stereotype now yeah.
Speaker 3:So look right.
Speaker 2:And he don't even know him At all. Never met him.
Speaker 3:At all.
Speaker 4:I just said you got a tattoo of the man on his leg.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I just saw that as well. You fucking lying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he showed it. He showed it what.
Speaker 3:How could you believe, believe somebody who do do some stuff like that out here? I ain't gonna hold you. Um, I wanna say something, man, like and I ain't gonna hold you, since y'all been out here like I, I really I'm really gonna say something, bro, and I put this on like my man gr, like this shit, like really like coming from the heart. When I say this shit, bro, like y'all niggas being out here, bro, made me like just care about, like the youth more, like like like I always was one of them, motherfuckers who, like didn't want All this beef and all. I always was one of them, but I was a part of it myself At one point and I'm from Philly, so it's like, yeah, if they do this, get back.
Speaker 3:I understand all that, but with y'all being out here and me interviewing Munna, and now I'm interviewing you and Cam Slam was here and everything, it make me really, really, really like I don't wanna just throw my opinion out there, no more. I wanna do something, bro, like to really change shit bro, even if it's we in Philly and Chicago and like bro no bullshit, bro.
Speaker 3:I've been asking Manny for days, bro, like about his non-profit and about I'm like, bro, how can I really be a part of it, like to the point I'm able to touch youth, and I don't know, bro, like since we picked y'all up from the airport and just been around y'all and the fact that Muna Ike is out here on some positive shit, on the Don't Get Tricked Out your Spot tour, sponsored by what I wish I knew in Manny 215. We made the news. Muna is in a positive light, y'all getting shed in a positive light, and I ain't gonna lie, it was yesterday night, bro. I left here real late and before I was going to sleep. I'm like damn, like I'm really a part of like the other side right now, like I was never a part of the other side where it was like I was always the side.
Speaker 2:You was a part of the other side, where it was like I was always the side, you was a part of the problem, not the solution.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I never. And I bro, I swear bro, you were the solution.
Speaker 3:I really shed a tear, bro. Somebody give my man a round of applause.
Speaker 4:Real shit. Give him a round of applause, man. It was like this, bro, I brought him the cash.
Speaker 3:man, like really got a bad relationship from that shit, bro. I didn't really back and forth to jail since 12, bro. I was a virgin in jail like my mom fucking sending my mom walk in the courtroom, taking another year. Came home, 14, another year, growing up adult, yet again. Another eight, 12 months. Last year, 2023, on the phone, manny, hang up undies, chase me another year, bro, like real shit. Like so, when I start fucking with y'all, bro, y'all came out here and I'm like I'm the one taking money to this and it's positive, and not only y'all is fucking a hundred students sitting right there. I'm asking them shit, they raising their hand. I'm like yo, I'm really a part of this, like other side now, bro.
Speaker 3:So I just wanted to say, bro, on some real bro yeah all the old block and the rapping and all that that is what it is is legendary. But now you legendary and y'all legendary for another thing, and that's like y'all could actually say like yeah, like cash wasn't even doing that shit until we made him realize it. Y'all could actually say like yeah, like Cash wasn't even doing that shit Until we made him realize it. Y'all could say that, bro Cause, y'all and the students in high school and shit, that shit really made me like, really, like Damn, like I think I really wanna do this shit.
Speaker 3:And the law always was telling me I got some type of calling and I thought it was rat or this or that Be a fucking kingpin or a gangster Knocking niggas off. Telling me I got some type of calling and I thought it was rat or this or that Be a fucking kingpin or a gangster knocking niggas off. I ain't know what my calling was, I just knew I was going to be a boy or something and like I really think this it bro.
Speaker 3:And like y'all and everybody else didn't even realize that, though, bro, this it bro. So I appreciate you for that, bro. You ain't even mean to do that, it's just all for vibes and connections and all that you did, though you did. You did though, bro, but I appreciate you.
Speaker 4:That's real shit though.
Speaker 3:Real shit, bro. I ain't just saying this to sound cool. My man Mook Grave bro.
Speaker 3:I really shed a tear on some shit like out the mookie mook man shout out the mookie mook changing your life even like that bro, mookie mook bro, like like that bro, like fetty, all that bro, I'm really a a part of what go against that now. I'm a part of what go against that now. You feel what I'm saying. So it's just like this is just a little different with me, bro. I had to get that out, like the never even heard me talk like that for real and I I just feel that way.
Speaker 2:So I I appreciate you man for even like we already know my boy speak about that grateful to have my older brothers, yeah, been keeping me on a straight path.
Speaker 3:like boy, you feel me. My brothers, nigga, been keeping me on the straight path. Like boy, you feel me, manny 2 and 5. V me all of them, like they been telling me. Like, bro, this is you Go Fuck that shit. I'm about to go man. Fuck that shit, bro. You ain't no regular nigga. No more bro.
Speaker 4:And I just kept man, I hate to tell it.
Speaker 3:Bro you ain't no regular young boy, no more bro bottom line you ain't you, ain't like y'all coming here? Really put that cherry on top of the sunday for me, bro, real like I was excited to tell you that, bro, fast check on white boy you know, I don't know me up, that's deep yeah, bro all right.
Speaker 2:So, uh, fast track, like a little game, I play something you don't really use too much thinking. I name one thing, I name the other, you pick one or the other. Being as though you from Chicago, I'll probably make it Chicago beast. So Let me get one or two and then Say no more, i'ma go old school, let's go.
Speaker 4:Y'all trying to bait me, man. No, no, no, let's go.
Speaker 3:Bump'all trying to bait me man. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:Bump J or LEP Bogus Boys.
Speaker 4:Bump J.
Speaker 2:Chief Keef or Lorisi.
Speaker 1:Chief.
Speaker 2:Keef, herb or Bibby.
Speaker 3:Damn, that's hard as shit.
Speaker 4:The other one was just hard Chief or Reese. Chief and Reese. What'd you say first?
Speaker 2:I said Kanye and I said Bumj and LEP. Bogus Boys.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the niggas you keep saying Check them out.
Speaker 2:I said Bumj, he said Bumj Chief and Reese. I said Chief and Reese. Next he said Chief, and then I said Bibby and Herb.
Speaker 4:That's hard as fuck, I'm gonna have to go Herb Cause he's still.
Speaker 2:Alright Um.
Speaker 4:I went Sosa Cause. He's still. He's still active.
Speaker 2:Active too. Yeah, we should be Slacking on that shit. Uh Um Uh Juice WRLD. Or uh, lupe Fiasco Juice WRLD. Or Lupe Fiasco Juice WRLD last one right here, last one right here, um King Von Abuka. King Von go ahead Cash why you smiling?
Speaker 1:He fucking up with that one. Look, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he didn't say who I thought he was gonna say. Yeah, he fucking up with Buka.
Speaker 4:I'm like man. He ain't better than me, alright.
Speaker 3:Alright, skimbone or shaky all right skin bone skin bone. Uh damn, I forgot what cuz name is. I was going to compare him to Sickle Mob.
Speaker 4:Niggas don't know about the Sickle Mob, I know who you talking about, sickle Mob or who Stunt Taylor? Yeah, yeah, that's right, yo, yeah, I'm going. Sickle Mob, sickle Mob, but shout out, stunt Taylor, yeah.
Speaker 3:Sickle Mob, them niggas. You know who that is, sickle Mob.
Speaker 4:That was Chicago.
Speaker 3:They like soldier boy these all right, gucci, a Louis belt.
Speaker 4:Louis Louis around in this time Louis back there Gucci, back then Gucci.
Speaker 3:Fendi. Fendi or True Religion.
Speaker 4:I'ma go with Fendi, but like I don't really wear Fendi, you don't really wear it. Yeah, I don't really wear it.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay, okay, okay, alright, yeah, I already. Well. Okay, okay, okay, okay, all right. So you fuck with producers, right?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, okay.
Speaker 4:Let's go.
Speaker 3:Young Chop or Leaky Leak.
Speaker 4:Young Chop, young Chop, he going.
Speaker 3:Young Chop already.
Speaker 4:Okay, these niggas don't know. He created it.
Speaker 3:He's fat ass. Yeah, I fuck with Young Chop. Young Chop, he going Young Chop already.
Speaker 4:Okay, these niggas don't know he created it. It's fat ass. Yeah, dope, I fuck with Young Chop, he crazy.
Speaker 3:So let's close out by telling them the argument.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, he thinks dope though. The man told me this is the argument he said. Somebody said I think it was I don't know. Somebody said, like who had the who made a bigger Impact on music, chief Keef or Kanye West? And me, I said Chief Keef and he said Kanye West. Right, it gotta be Kanye. This what I'm gonna say Do Kanye West got his own genre, and what is it called?
Speaker 2:Alright, so it ain't it ain't. It ain't a um, it ain't it, ain't it. Don't have no name but it don't really have no identity. I know that I know, I know you're gonna go with the drill having the identity and the drama genres, but no kanye, no drake, no future.
Speaker 3:It's like the tree no asap I brung it up for a reason no.
Speaker 2:Future. It's like the tree.
Speaker 3:No A$AP I brung it up for a reason it's like the tree that come under Ye.
Speaker 2:Under Ye. It's crazy, bro. And he also single-handedly made over 10 musicians under him Millionaires.
Speaker 3:Real shit.
Speaker 4:I ain't gonna lie, If Chief Keef never rap, nobody. You listen to none of these youngies you listen to. They don't rap, they don't got a sound.
Speaker 2:Think about Kanye not rapping, Matter of fact let me take it back.
Speaker 4:If Chief Keef don't rap, there's probably no sound towards drill period.
Speaker 2:But think of Kanye not rapping, bro. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4:You just take away. You just take away A lot of mainstream artists, bro you take, you, take, away, you take away.
Speaker 2:Chief Keef you take away. You take away Underground music bro you still no, no, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 4:Every rapper for the last Past 10 years Rap Anywhere Like Chief Keef.
Speaker 2:Got that influence from Chief Keef? No, and you could be correct. You could be right on your own, but what I'm telling you is that Kanye, my nigga, yeah, he got influence. No for sure he do, for sure Crazy.
Speaker 1:Chief Keef got influence Music though the fashion bro the sneakers the shit that Kanye did.
Speaker 2:No, kanye, bro, we wouldn't have a lot of this shit out here. Period. I'm talking about clothing, musical, the beats. I'm talking about production. I'm talking about, I'm talking about, I'm talking about the culture.
Speaker 4:Yeah, for sure, but like Bro Tiki changed the world.
Speaker 2:He did the drill's big. I can't.
Speaker 4:You see he talking about he getting tacked to 600. It's a argument Because he changed the world.
Speaker 3:Now listen, it's a argument for sure.
Speaker 2:Now the reason that I brought that back up right, you see the drill.
Speaker 3:I brought this back up Really Because yesterday we was in the heat of the moment, but I really want you to like hear certain shit, bro.
Speaker 4:Kanye West has 24 Grammys, bro, right no, no, look, look, he been rapping for 40 years.
Speaker 3:Right, right, right, but listen though. Look, kanye got 24 Grammys he will break it down. Right, two Right. You could put three of Kanye albums in the top 15 albums of all time. That's two Right, three, three. Kanye made Jay-Z sound how he sounds. Not only that, nobody that little sample.
Speaker 2:Look, look, look, kanye.
Speaker 3:No blueprint, bro, that little sample now people be making beats and there's a sample and it's pitched up and pitched down.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's all, kanye.
Speaker 3:He all made that In 06 bro, Kanye made it cool for the nerds to win. Listen, bro.
Speaker 4:I really school.
Speaker 3:You, bro, kanye and 50 had a battle when. I was like 9 or 10.
Speaker 2:This is when the gangsters was winning.
Speaker 3:Jeezy Gucci, all the gangsters TI they ran the game Facts. He about to talk. Kanye and 50 had a battle.
Speaker 4:Who going to?
Speaker 3:sell the most? Who going to? I remember that, Bro, listen bro when Kanye beat 50. So we don't even need to see the verses he let the nerds in. All that Auto-tune.
Speaker 2:T-Pain Jake Jake Cole, jake Cole.
Speaker 3:Being different. All that, all them niggas.
Speaker 2:Wally's All them school niggas.
Speaker 3:All them niggas. T-pain started auto-tune.
Speaker 4:What about Chief Keef though?
Speaker 3:No, we gonna get there. T-pain started Auto-Tune. Heartless Blew it up Worldwide 808 and Heartbreaks.
Speaker 2:Blew it up. That's the record Worldwide.
Speaker 3:That's the record I understand all that, but I I didn't even get to Him having the number one Clothing brand In the world right now. I didn't even get to that.
Speaker 4:But we Look, look.
Speaker 3:Real shit. Niggas wear button-up polos with the collar. Listen, look.
Speaker 4:We never said who was the better artist, who got the most achievement. We said who impacted the world bro.
Speaker 2:It had to be Kanye, though. No, we know what we did. We know what we did. No, it's really Chief Keef that impacted the world.
Speaker 4:Shoot the video with guns in his shirt off.
Speaker 2:I'm with him on this one. I'm with him on this one With dregs tattoos. I'm with him on this one In a room full of his niggas. I'm sorry, bro, everybody think they can sing it, right because of.
Speaker 4:Kanye Bro, you know what question I keep asking everybody that's sitting on this couch bro. What Do they think? Drew will ever stop. And you know what the answer they give me.
Speaker 1:What no?
Speaker 3:Bro, do you understand that the album 808s and Heartbreaks?
Speaker 1:I understand what you're doing. No, look, you don't, because you said you agree with him.
Speaker 3:Listen to what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Do you?
Speaker 3:understand that the album 808 Heartbreaks that came out 16 years ago paved the way for anything that came out after that Everything.
Speaker 2:All that.
Speaker 3:Lil Wayne, lollipop, everything bro.
Speaker 1:Everything, look, look Even the way niggas dress, anything that came out after that, everything, all that Lil Wayne, lollipop, everything that came from Everything, everything, I look, even the way niggas dress.
Speaker 4:Even the way niggas dress. Let's have a kill list. When you was younger, you team Kane. So when you was younger, did you Like you got your persona, like of being. Did you ever want to be Kane West or Chief Keef? Yes, which one? Both man Like you got your persona. Did you ever want to be Kanye West or Chief Keef? Yes, which one?
Speaker 3:Both man, stop it. Man Nigga, what the fuck did you talk about? I just told you Stop it. I just told you Nobody was wearing the three-button polo. Collar Jones and all that.
Speaker 2:Come on brother, Come on brother, Take us out.
Speaker 3:Nobody was wearing the book bags.
Speaker 4:Nobody was doing that Till Kanye bro, I never heard nobody say I wanna be like Kanye West.
Speaker 2:Come on, rella, take us out.
Speaker 4:Take us out, rella Is there anything you want the listeners To know before we go man, give them your IG and where they can reach you by that guy I'm on. Instagram Sueboxbaby64 we.
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Speaker 4:They can scream that On all platforms. They can scream that.
Speaker 3:Shoebox baby. What happened?
Speaker 4:Take us the fuck out of here man, it's the Real or the Most podcast. We got shoebox in the motherfucking building.
Speaker 3:Got the O in the building.
Speaker 4:You already know what it is.
Speaker 3:Got the O in the building. Man, Listen, we'll be out.
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