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OVER THE OCEAN CONVERSATIONS FT. LIL MUK | RTM PODCAST | EP.
How does one rise from the streets of Philadelphia to collaborate with industry giants like Lil Baby by the age of 22? This episode peels back the curtain on Lil Muk journey to stardom, showcasing his unique voice and authentic style that resonate with millions. From his first rhymes written in the fifth grade to his breakout hit "Gang With Me" in seventh grade, Lil Muk shares his story of resilience, determination, and the relentless pursuit of his passion amidst the ever-changing landscape of the music industry.
Remember the first time you felt the rush of achieving something huge at a young age? Lil Muk does, and he’s here to talk about the highs and lows that followed. Listen as he recounts the pivotal moments of his early career, the community challenges back in Olney, and the pressure of keeping his music real in an industry often driven by trends. His experiences provide an insightful look into the nuances of signing record deals, the financial lessons learned, and the mental fortitude required to navigate a fast-paced career.
Navigating the stormy waters of the music industry is no easy feat, but Lil Muk does so with a rare blend of authenticity and business acumen. From discussions on generational wealth and the responsibilities of creating a stable future to candid reflections on the contractual pitfalls that trap many young artists, this episode sheds light on the gritty realities behind the glamour. Join us for an inspiring, no-holds-barred conversation that highlights the ambition, perseverance, and unwavering spirit of a young artist making his mark on the world.
How does one rise from the streets of Philadelphia to collaborate with industry giants like Lil Baby by the age of 22? This episode peels back the curtain on Lil Muk journey to stardom, showcasing his unique voice and authentic style that resonate with millions. From his first rhymes written in the fifth grade to his breakout hit "Gang With Me" in seventh grade, Lil Muk shares his story of resilience, determination, and the relentless pursuit of his passion amidst the ever-changing landscape of the music industry.
Remember the first time you felt the rush of achieving something huge at a young age? Lil Muk does, and he’s here to talk about the highs and lows that followed. Listen as he recounts the pivotal moments of his early career, the community challenges back in Olney, and the pressure of keeping his music real in an industry often driven by trends. His experiences provide an insightful look into the nuances of signing record deals, the financial lessons learned, and the mental fortitude required to navigate a fast-paced career.
Navigating the stormy waters of the music industry is no easy feat, but Lil Muk does so with a rare blend of authenticity and business acumen. From discussions on generational wealth and the responsibilities of creating a stable future to candid reflections on the contractual pitfalls that trap many young artists, this episode sheds light on the gritty realities behind the glamour. Join us for an inspiring, no-holds-barred conversation that highlights the ambition, perseverance, and unwavering spirit of a young artist making his mark on the world.
Welcome to the Rilla the most podcast. My name is Rilla, I'm.
Speaker 1:Cash, I'm white boy D2A.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we got a special guest in the building. Listen, look, man, the guests that we have today. Man, I think that everybody in the city should be familiar with, though they ain't got no choice.
Speaker 1:You ain't got no choice. You know what I mean they ain't no choice. You ain't got no choice?
Speaker 3:you know most definitely no, yeah, they ain't got no choice man, how y'all want to do this y'all want.
Speaker 2:Y'all want to get to the music or y'all want to do the crazy intro for the guests I mean, bro, we gotta do a crazy intro, for I feel like it's only right, y'all roll the red carpet. I mean I'm gonna roll it out with my boy he deserve it, he deserve it.
Speaker 1:I ain't gonna front.
Speaker 3:Real shit.
Speaker 1:So, like ever since I seen him, you know what I'm saying. Hit the tube, I guess you would say. You know what I mean. He hit the ground running, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Millions of views. One of the hottest songs to come out of Philadelphia. Right and that shit still going Right. You know what I mean and you know what I mean he. One of the hottest songs to come out of Philadelphia. Right and that shit's still going Right. Nah man and nah man. He done worked with the likes of Lil Baby. Right, he done had a deal already.
Speaker 2:Millions and millions on the views. Man, Stop it, man.
Speaker 1:Fucking Spotify, all platforms he got millions of listeners and millions of views on and, nah man, we got him here with us today man listen millions of views.
Speaker 2:Man uh, veteran and shit man right now, consider right now, he consider only 22 years old.
Speaker 3:I mean he had the city on lock when he was like 17, 18, some shit like that. Yeah, bro, like he been doing this shit Before all these niggas. He stand out. You feel me. He ain't on no drill shit. Or he ain't on no dancing, he bringing you pain. You feel what I'm saying? Or how he feel Expressing his feelings. And for you to be 22 man, that is awesome, bro. So I commend you on that. But, man, give a round of applause. Man, we got Lil Mook in the building.
Speaker 2:Shout out Lil Mook In the building. My fucking boy, what a deal Actually. He got us in the building.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he got us in the building.
Speaker 4:That's a fact. Let's get it right.
Speaker 1:He got us in the building right now Because we definitely on locations.
Speaker 4:I had to let y'all come pull up, man. You know See how I feel to be me for a day.
Speaker 3:Listen. Ocean View over the Listen man. It's crazy man. I ain't gonna lie. We walked in this joint like Damn.
Speaker 2:Let's give a round of applause for Bro having us Sitting here and get a crazy interview On an exclusive tip. You know what I mean. A crazy interview on an exclusive tip, you know what I mean? Oh for sure it was definitely on an exclusive tip.
Speaker 4:It's crazy because I want to say I appreciate y'all for bringing me up here. I've been seeing y'all shit for a little minute and I respect y'all movement, like what y'all doing. Appreciate that I don't see too many young niggas from the city doing this, and the ones that are, are they already on their way to the top, like? Right so up and coming but get so much love and respect because y'all in tune with the youth yeah, no, that's a fact appreciate that no viral moments or nothing like that.
Speaker 3:Appreciate that not appreciate it not down playing whatever got going on, but y'all really down like in tune with the streets and what like the youth right, yeah, I just want to say I respect what y'all appreciate it before we play a song, though, right hey, white boy, move is like my, my mic a little closer to you right, yeah, before we play a song, right, I'm gonna ask y'all man how y'all feeling, man, I feel good man, I actually feel good and and before we like fully, fully start the show.
Speaker 1:I just want to shout out rap snacks oh, man rap snacks. Shout out Rap Snacks. Oh man, Rap Snacks, Rap Snacks. Shout out Rap Snacks man Yup. And, as you all can all see, we all got our stocked up, our stocked up Shout out to Nye.
Speaker 3:Stocked Up Shout outs to them.
Speaker 1:Shout out to James Lindsay over there at Rap Snacks. Shout out to Nye over there at Stocked Up.
Speaker 3:Yup, yup yup, yup.
Speaker 1:We appreciate y'all over here at Relative to the Most Podcast Shut up man.
Speaker 3:So before we get into it, man, I'm going to play a song by Lil Mook.
Speaker 1:Play that shit you know 2024 shit.
Speaker 2:Turn me up Cash.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying I ain't going to lie. I was blasting this shit on the way here. Sorry, it wasn't my fault. Ep. Yeah Lil Mook. Intro.
Speaker 4:Let's tune in, man. Let's go man. Yeah, my nigga gon' step like he part of a frat. You know I got you. I'm livin' and dyin' about you. My brother pick up where I slack. My grandmother know that I'm actually in tour with killers. That's why I'm gon' walk through the back. Ain't sharein' locations. I know it be niggas. That's hatin'. That's why I don't post where I'm at. They get a drop and I know they gon' slide. My niggas be camping, ain't never carrying cash. I put my life on the line. I'm dying for my show. Why you think we all carry in sticks like I'm leading the blind you out of your mind. I kill her to make me a victim. I'd rather be facing the dime. I put it some. God. I'm losing respect for the niggas. I thought we'll contribute to five. Don't get you five. Nigga, you lie, nigga, you lie, nigga, you lied, lied, ain't talking my pride.
Speaker 2:I ain't one of them. They complain he hit me and I ain't one of them.
Speaker 4:I got a lot of bodies a high. For the way you know, I got a man. I ain't really got a lot of friends. I didn't really lost a lot of me catch up and then we box me. That's it Alright. But shit, I'm the same nigga. I won't play with ya Off of this head, nigga. Shit, I'm a breadwinner. I was dead broke. I put on for my dead folks. Shit, I know what I'm here for.
Speaker 3:Yo, I ain't going wild, man rest in peace, 5, man. Rest in peace 5.
Speaker 4:That was hot, you know, keefie all the fallen soldiers. You know, a-roy. You know I do this thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, man, rest in peace to them. Guys. Man, let's get into it, man.
Speaker 1:So you know, man, we here y'all. So you know what I'm saying, long time coming. How I like to start my shit off, man, you know what I'm saying. I like to start from the beginning, so like where you from.
Speaker 4:I'm topside of the island, second to Champloo.
Speaker 1:Okay, where you from?
Speaker 4:I'm topside on the second the champ laws, okay, okay, that's that's.
Speaker 1:That's. That's all in the area of philadelphia, okay right so you know, coming up in that area and growing up in your household, what was some of the music that you would listen to growing up?
Speaker 4:I ain't gonna lie, I used to listen to a lot of um like biggie smalls you know, and I grew up in like a old soul household, like my mom when she was real hip, to like the r b music, like the luther vandrews, the brian mcknight's and all that okay um marita franklin, like all that stuff soul soul. You feel me. Yeah, but yeah on that. But yeah, on the hip hop rap, jay-z, big Andre 3000. It's quite a few, but yeah, basically where it all started from.
Speaker 1:Your household was like a musical household.
Speaker 4:Your mom always played a lot of music coming up yeah, a lot of music, but I never had no musicians in my family, nobody that sung or did music or like so much as play the drum, because we was born like in a muslim household. Okay I was born in muslim household, so everybody around me was like real strict, like yeah yeah, yeah, my step-pop he was. He married my mom and I was probably, like I want to say, 10.
Speaker 3:right like all right.
Speaker 4:No, younger than that, but it always been like strict right yeah, you get what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, no doubt no doubt like as far as the religion, like we wasn't. We wasn't doing christmases and birthdays and all that we wasn't getting it all right, yeah, no thanks though facts building pretty much character.
Speaker 3:And yeah, no facts though Facts.
Speaker 2:Building Pretty much Character and discipline In you Facts yeah.
Speaker 4:I used to think it was torture when Ramadan came around Right. And he really like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you like. I need Ramadan right now. I need.
Speaker 4:Ramadan. I need these blessings For next year.
Speaker 2:That's a fact.
Speaker 4:Alright, so uh.
Speaker 1:You know growing up With those influences In your house and you know Growing up in a house that played a lot of soul and music. What age was it when you start to think that you could do the music or where you thought that, like damn, let me dabble in this, or maybe I could do this?
Speaker 4:I'm not even going to lie to you Like when I first started seeing the MTV BET Awards, I always felt like that could be me. I never was one of them young boys who was lying to myself growing up Like I'm going to be an NBA player.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go to the NFL.
Speaker 1:I'm like I'm too small.
Speaker 4:I'm like then, on top of that, I don't feel like I don't even want that type of career, Like I don't want to have to get sweaty with you niggas to make it a million Right.
Speaker 4:I ain't trying to wrestle with none of you niggas, and you know, like I just be, I just be, like I was so moved by that. What's the word I want to? Like I'm trying to really put it in words like y'all can understand, but basically like the music really took a part of me because I felt like it was a way of poetry like I could express myself.
Speaker 4:Okay, right, I was never that athletic so I I was never like into really like sports like that. Yeah right, I always wanted to be like, I wanted to have that lifestyle like just seeing, like you know you grow up you watching the bmf or notorious like everybody notorious big.
Speaker 3:You want to be a kingpin.
Speaker 4:You want wanna be a kingpin, you wanna be a kingpin, or you wanna be a celebrity Like you feel me, yeah, so it's like them the type, like that's the lane I wanted to be in.
Speaker 1:So, uh, take us to the time when you know you. Uh, you basically wrote your first Rap and Recorded your first song.
Speaker 4:I probably wrote my first rap In like. I probably wrote my first rap in like fifth grade, like fourth or fifth grade. I remember because my mom, she was real strict on us.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:And we was never allowed to curse around her. So I would write a bunch of shit in my raps and it would have nothing but profanity in there and I used to hide them. So one day she found my hiding spot. She like why you be cursing, but she didn't say she found the rap. She just like why you be cursing, but she ain't say she felt the rap. She just like why you keep cursing what you talking about.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. Then she showed me the rats and she's laughing in my face but she's like no, it really looked good. The way I'm reading it, like you know, you know what you're talking about fire you're going to take it serious.
Speaker 4:So one of my mind was like one of the people that inspired me too and supported me like you feel me like um, but yeah, I think my first rap was like fifth grade and I started taking it serious, like I had got me like a um, a little summer job and I was getting paid. I was getting paid under the table, like it was like in a warehouse and okay, I probably was like in, I want to say seventh grade, okay, when I paid for my first video shoot, oh, okay, okay, I actually did my first song and recorded it.
Speaker 4:It was called Gang With Me. It's still on YouTube. Put it out and it did good For a young nigga that ain't used to shit coming from poverty or trenches however you want to call it $100,000 is a lot. So when I seen that it did numbers like in the community, like the area, the neighborhood that everybody did a hundred thousand it did, yeah, it did a hundred thousand yeah, that'd be mine, that'd be my whole thing.
Speaker 2:Uh, oh, wait, before we move forward, make sure y'all share, like, subscribe, comment, hit the notification bell. But yeah, that'd be my whole thing. Like go get that new ep too.
Speaker 4:Make sure y'all get that.
Speaker 3:Sorry, it wasn't my fault Sorry it wasn't my fault, go get that.
Speaker 2:That be my thing, like at At your age, right At that time, what was your mindset? Because how was you able to even Go ahead and put the video together, go ahead and hit the studio, record the song, like do your whole process? I understand your mom supported you, gave you that push also, but you getting in that studio and doing the video, that's a process right there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a process. I ain't going to lie. I'm so big on quality that for my first song I wanted it to be great. For my first song, I put out I didn't record a million songs in the basement, just like that but once I got older and I started paying attention to the industry and the music. I'm like. You know what I mean. It's real.
Speaker 2:I was playing with it. This is real.
Speaker 4:I really got it. It's really talented artists out here, but then the era we live in now, all the mainstream artists, they like they, trendy like they not it really don't come from town. No more like you. Got dancers out here now like it's a gimmick that come with it gimmick like yeah no, for sure example, like sexy red, like I feel like she can't rap better than Rocky. Shout out Rocky to everybody. Want to be a wretched, you know not also?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to wait, but she gonna. She own it though, like that's sexy red though, because I think it's a way.
Speaker 4:But she going, she own it though, like that's another reason.
Speaker 2:Why I fuck with Sexy Red. With Sexy Red, though, because I think it's also On a tip like this In the industry, like get it while it's hot, put it out, put it out, put it out, put it out, put it out. But when they doing that the whole time, they oversaturating us with it. And then they burn the artists out To us. They burn them out. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I was no go ahead. That's pretty much what I was talking about. So basically, bro, you know I'm 26, bro Me and this, though you from Olney, you feel me. I used to live on Fifth and Table Road for years. Like and like All of me was One of the funnest places I've ever been Since I was Remember to fucking have a memory Like Like that shit was jumping man.
Speaker 4:Bro, it was. Everything was so innocent when you was a young boy.
Speaker 3:Right, like yeah Right.
Speaker 2:Bro, when you grow up, you be like.
Speaker 3:It was all these.
Speaker 3:It's dangerous around this month it was all these dollar parties and the school we went to we went to third gun marshal on six and fisher, you feel me, and it was just popping, bro, this was before the flash, my all that was just popping and I was in fourth grade there, in fifth grade there. So piggybacking off of that, like when I lived there, was funny shit. It was good people around there, everybody, nobody wasn't acting, all. So I wanted to ask you, being from second and champ laws alany yourself, what was it like for you? You feel me?
Speaker 4:I mean it was, it was like it was hard, I ain't what would you like? Just being an irony and not like you know, I mean mm-hmm. I was say, like just coming up down, it's like your average Joe story, like everybody got a sob story. I don't be wanting to give him that type of impression like.
Speaker 4:I feel like you know, if you ain't built for it's up for you ain't got the skin for this shit, staying out right like and I always one of them. Young boys like you guys show me right you heard but yeah, when I was running around like, it was always like something going on like drama, so we knew how to move. It taught, taught us the. It basically taught us like survival, like just survival, just growing up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in.
Speaker 4:Philadelphia. But I don't think, yeah, like it definitely taught me a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And it also like hindered me too. Yeah. Because, you know how most hoods they, um, they stick together. You got motherfuckers like um, I don't even want to say no names, but basically like south philly or north philly, like you got so-and-so over here they rocking with so-and-so from up the street. Like you know, I'm saying right then it's also beef around the corner right damn, I don't need.
Speaker 4:It's like everybody got their own selective friends and everybody claiming one street. And it's like every nobody on one accord, like nobody. You know what I mean yeah right, but it is. It's weird, though.
Speaker 3:It's weird because because I would not not to cut you off. You could piggyback off this, but it's not really a lot of rappers from Islandy, it's not. You, feel me. So you doing what you did and being who you is and all that I'm not saying.
Speaker 4:it's not even a lot of rappers from Islandy. It's not a lot of rappers from Islandy that's making noise.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of rappers down in Islandy.
Speaker 4:No facts.
Speaker 3:A lot of talent down on me, like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like you feel me yeah, but it's just nobody.
Speaker 1:Nobody got that opportunity, like not that many people got the opportunity and if they did, they either fumbled it or yeah, all right, so you drop that. I mean, yeah, you drop that song. Your first song coming out. You got a hundred thousand views on there. That's very good, especially at what like 12 13 years old yeah, like 14, 14 years old that was that's, that's, that's, that's that's crazy, that's crazy bro, that's good.
Speaker 1:So, uh, you know you're critically acclaimed song. Give us that Like. Give us, going up until that point, what you want from me or what you got from me. Oh yeah, what you got from me or what you want from me, I swear.
Speaker 4:I never, for your company, claim you don't fuck with me, uh-huh, because I don't like you neither.
Speaker 2:I'm just giving honesty.
Speaker 1:I'm not wrong I speak the truth, you turn around and lie to me. I rolled on my mind. That's so ridiculous. That's just super ridiculous.
Speaker 4:It's crazy because when I made that, I was like like I, I was in like a, I was in a dark point in my life, like I thought, like I heard core say this too on an interview. He was like I thought I was gonna die Like shout out Shout out
Speaker 2:to.
Speaker 4:Kora.
Speaker 2:Real shit, crazy and funny.
Speaker 1:So you was still In high school when you dropped that, that you was still in high school.
Speaker 4:I was still in high school Yep.
Speaker 2:I think that's the best time To be an artist. Coming up like as a rapper Is like In high school Right. Yeah, I was. Be an artist Coming up like as a rapper Is like in high school Right.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I was. I was in a dark place. I remember just being on the floor At my stepmom house and, um, you know I'm on the floor and I'm just going through All these YouTube beats. I come across a A Cora Meek, a Cora Mill beat, and you know the best for you, john.
Speaker 2:The first thing.
Speaker 4:Came to my mind is you know, I wish the best for you.
Speaker 3:When you die.
Speaker 4:I feel like I was laying next to you. I'm going to tell you you're going to take killing to the next level. I'm going to paint this panel before they make me grab my next shovel. And that's on God. Like when I heard them first, eight lines like as I'm writing it down, I'm like this shit a hit, like I go to the studio and I record it, I tell my mom Wallahi, I tell my mom, I say I guarantee you I'm going to move you out of Philly off of this song.
Speaker 3:Wallahi.
Speaker 4:Bro, I moved my mom out of Philly in the beginning of 2023.
Speaker 1:So like, Damn Heavy, super heavy, heavy.
Speaker 4:And people think that's, that that is an all-star Facts. It's paying the price to it Because when you Relocate To another state and you don't like no. You don't know nothing, you don't got no relatives Out there. Yeah, like you know what I mean, it's a whole new life it's a whole new life, a whole new world. It takes you gotta have a certain mindset To adapt like that.
Speaker 2:Facts, facts right I came back home but that's how my mom was like I don't like it down here like everything far as shit you gotta drive 40 minutes to get I think also you gotta be at that age where you settled like yeah, like and and mine.
Speaker 1:Mentally, you gotta be settled too yeah, so she, she like she hated elena so when you, when you, uh, when you came up with Best For you and you recorded it, and you shot the video a little bit after or directly after.
Speaker 4:I shot the video a little bit after, so when I shot it I was at. You know I had posted like an Insta snap.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:And you know everybody from my block like from Island, they in tune with me.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm like, I'm like, I'm like Hov down there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Seriously, like they admire me, like because ain't too many that's doing what I'm doing from down in Island. Yeah, so when I posted on my page I was actually surprised. I'm like yo to, I don't need recreation center. So you know, everybody pull up, I get there. It's like you know damn, there are 200 people there.
Speaker 1:That's a lot of people for me, yeah, that's a lot of people. Yeah, like just coming out and supporting man, it's hard to get 200 people to gather up my man mind you, all kids within my age group and um younger.
Speaker 4:So as I'm doing the video I hear them mumbling the words, but I'm like the song is unreleased I never dropped the song. I never dropped the audio snippet nothing, none of that, mind you, like I ain't know the song been leaked. The song was leaked on youtube, you feel me? Oh, so me not having knowledge it was leaked. I'm like y'all heard the song before they like yeah, I'm like we'll sing that shit then. Like you feel me. Cut the joint on. Everybody went up. That shit went viral.
Speaker 1:The end of the video when they singing it back. That's like the best part.
Speaker 4:Yeah, cause it's authentic.
Speaker 1:It's authentic. It's authentic, you can feel it, you can feel that shit. No, you can't.
Speaker 4:Everybody singing it word for word, because that's how everybody Is feeling at the time, and it's always somebody that can relate because we lose friends.
Speaker 2:Every day. That song make people shed tears Every day bro I ain't even going to say what it make people do, but that song make people get in their wills, you know.
Speaker 4:Wallo came home around that time Shout out Wallo too, like that's really my OG, Like he made it out of the game for free. Shout out to Wildo if he catch me on the like just in the street, he'll pull up or out here. See me on the. You know we brushing shoulders he always him and Gilly like shout out, gil too, but um Wildo, he called me when he came home and he like mind you, he thinking, he thinking, he on on Boone and line on Boonin' line you feel me.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the whole time I got the numbers. So he like damn yo, yo, I ain't gonna lie that song Best For you. That shit had me. It had me like emotional because he was telling me how he lost a brother. But I'm like he like, yeah, that song with Lil Mook. Like you know, that ass nigga Cause my uncle he was really like Sharing. Shout out Waller, shout out Waller. That shit was like it made me look at it different, like damn you was Not only did I impact.
Speaker 1:Not to cut you off, not only did.
Speaker 4:I impact the younger, like the youth, I impacted the gels, the older.
Speaker 2:The older crowd that shit was different. I ain't gonna hold you. You was with Born the way different. Right, it's that pain you was with when you put best for you out already I thought they got you afterwards, so y'all, you was already done
Speaker 1:yeah, that's what I was about to tell that, yeah, I was already like that was in the works, like me and boone we wasn't on paperwork or nothing but, we was dealing with each other, like he was making sure.
Speaker 3:I was like getting in the studio so I was going to ask you like, like, how did that come together? Did it happen from Boona reaching out to you Like did y'all know each other?
Speaker 4:Did it happen through like another person, knowing somebody, A family relative Hold?
Speaker 1:on this. Beans, Yo Beans, Put me on.
Speaker 3:You already know where we at hey Matt.
Speaker 4:AC. We at AC I told you AC.
Speaker 1:I told you I was pulling up at AC today.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we got Beanie Seagull on the phone.
Speaker 1:Beanie- Seagull on the line. Y'all we in the middle of the podcast Of the interview right now.
Speaker 4:I said, yeah, unc calling me man, I got, I got answers. Show Unc some love.
Speaker 2:No question, we see you with your bucket on Unk Fucking low life fucking dope.
Speaker 4:Fucking low life, fucking dope but look, man, I just wanted to call and show some love. When we finish this interview, I'm going to hit you back, you hear me? Okay, okay, say no more. Say no more. Say no more, or listen, inshallah, when it's going over, I'm gonna call you soon as we finish up. All right, say no more, that's a bet. I'm staying here for the night. They just came to pull up on me Show me some love.
Speaker 1:No no.
Speaker 4:I'm trying. I'm trying to get like y'all niggas, but I'm going to call you as soon as. I'm done. I'm going to call you as soon as I'm done.
Speaker 2:Real or the most podcast. Make sure you share, like, subscribe, comment. Hit that notification bell. Stay tuned. The day gotta come to the end.
Speaker 4:So yes, that was Beans man Shout out to Beans Shout out to.
Speaker 1:Matt. Shout out to Matt.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, what I was basically saying is like you sat through a family relative, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:Okay, so my man Leek, he like related to Boona. So like Boona was looking for artists around that time and he was shopping around, just, you know, trying to see who the hottest in the city, like who the up and coming hottest in the city, and I guess my name was floating around and he had a relationship with the person that was trying to manage me at the time. Shout out, my folks, millions, millions, was trying to take on management. But you know, I had other plans. I'm like look, millie, you know what I mean. I don't think this the right position for you to play, but I do want you on the team. Boom, like, look, let me come in and get Young Boy to where he trying to go. And shortly, I wanna say like two months after I graduated, I signed a deal with rca sony and, um, yeah, it was. It was kind of like it happened so fast though, but yeah, I was doing music for a minute, but I met boone in high school for sure wait, wait.
Speaker 2:We're gonna slow down, though it happened fast, right, all right. So when it was going on, what was it? Celebration, feeling, good, mom, happy I mean, we out of here, mom Like, what was it Like? How was that feeling?
Speaker 4:It's so crazy Because when I first signed a deal I ain't just up and take everybody Like I made sure I was cool first.
Speaker 1:Right how you supposed to.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like when I first signed, signed I moved straight to atlanta but I ain't had like no experience, uh ever moving, except like if I was living door to door, like house to house right, right, right and all that I ain't really know. You know what I?
Speaker 4:mean so, like when I first went down there I had a financial advisor, so you know he was. He was budgeting me. Like I'm there, like yo it, I'm spending whatever he like. No, listen, man, you want to do this if you want. You want to go down there? Listen, I think you should. You should try to spend. I think your overhead should be at least three grand a month like you know what I'm saying. So when I went down there I wasn't under the impression like I was going to be on a budget.
Speaker 4:I'm like man, I got it Like yo Real shit. But no, when I went down there it was cool. It just I didn't have the knowledge. Oh, why would I get a studio apartment for $1,500 when I can get a four or five bedroom for $16 or $17? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It didn't make more sense yeah like I ain't know that you feel?
Speaker 2:me being that age. Why would you even think like that you?
Speaker 3:know I'm saying so, right, so let me, let me, let me ask you something real quick, bro. You've seen it with Drake and Tyga, no Cap and NBA. You've seen it many times before and I be trying to tell people, just because you signed under the same label or got the same manager or whatever, whatever y'all could be all that and still not be close or not friends and all that. So Stacker Star is deepved, deep bro. They was deep, so like did you get along with everybody? Or it was like, was it ever like believe?
Speaker 4:it or not, it wasn't that many like artists on stacker star like when you was there yeah, like, no, like I started like I'm about to say were you the first sign?
Speaker 4:they don't young, okay well yeah, okay, okay, okay, he was doing like they, they was trying to um build their own like label called double o at the time okay uh, once stack of star like became a thing. We pushed it like 100 like okay but that, no, it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't really. No artists, like it was, young K Zy Sosa Zy Sosa.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Young K me NSU Shido and Bombs. Yeah, Philly Goose.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4:It probably is something now I might not know of, but around the time I was signed to Stegastar no, I wasn't that many of us at all.
Speaker 3:The only person you ain't say that I know signed was like like Sadi4 or something like that. I don't think he signed with them. He was. No, he wasn't.
Speaker 4:I think because like.
Speaker 3:I swear he was.
Speaker 4:I think it was more like A relationship thing. I don't think it was like A contract.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So when Best For you.
Speaker 2:My fault, go ahead.
Speaker 1:So, uh, when Best For you dropped and that shit going up and you getting all these views, like what was your feeling Around that time, like how did you feel?
Speaker 4:I felt like I made it like when you're a young nigga and you and you see certain shit like that, like even just going up to the label, like I'm thinking I signed a lottery yeah, I'm thinking I just won the lottery, like you know.
Speaker 1:I'm saying yeah, the whole time.
Speaker 4:I just went and got a loan yeah that I don't know how to pay back.
Speaker 1:You feel me so so, yeah, that's crazy, man, because they don't educate you or nothing. And you like 18, you like 18, you don't know, you don't? You? Come you fresh out of high school, so it's not. It's not like you got the knowledge or your frontal lube is all the way developed, whereas though you can comprehend what's actually going on, right? No, this should just be crazy, man. Yo Cause y'all. It's like the kids that come out of the poverty. We have the talent, then the white people get us or whatever, and then they put us in front of the world and give us all this fucking money that we gotta pay back anyway, and then, by the time you 25, you dead, broke, the press and motherfucking homeless. Yo, real shit, shit, be crazy, bro. I mean, bro, we work all our life, bro, we come from poverty, bro. It was like when he did that, it was like he signed to the NBA or like he went to the NFL.
Speaker 2:These are the moments that we wait for in our life, and that moment right there, bro, that be the beginning of the end, though Sometimes you're right.
Speaker 1:That'd be the beginning of the end, and that's sad bro.
Speaker 2:Crazy. They expect you to know from the beginning.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. No, that's a lie. They don't want you to know. No, they don't want you to know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they don't want you to know. That's their excuse, though. That's the excuse though. Oh, we thought you knew.
Speaker 4:No, like they know, they don't know Like these kids, they killing it, they filming kids Like coming into the industry Without having like. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:No knowledge or anything. I'm saying like at the end of the day, when everything's all over. They say it's part of the game.
Speaker 4:It's a part of the game, it is you feel me and and then it'd be so much like it'd be so much grimy shit going on, like not even just in the label, like just dealing with the music industry and dealing with the music business super shady so if I was an artist trying to get signed right now, what would you give me advice on telling me what to look for?
Speaker 4:um, look for a good team, look for a good team. Good management for a good team, good management Somebody that's going to run your PR. Also, you need to book an agent, somebody that's going to have the cash flow coming in, because at times the music might slow up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Because they're giving out these deals now to these rappers who got the best deal right now. What, drake?
Speaker 1:21, savage 21, 21, savage 21, 21 got the best deal crazy. 21 got the 80% or 90%, 85, that poor guy, 90% of his deal bro, sort of he owns, almost like a he owns his masters.
Speaker 3:That's the like already.
Speaker 1:Like you know, man, he ain't never getting them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they don't like none of his masters if you remember his career.
Speaker 1:When he came out he leveraged all his first shit me saying this.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm saying this because, like, where are you at on the tube I? I feel like you got some type of leverage right now, bro, like it's crazy, I don't feel that way I should, you should, bro they go by the numbers you doing like Every six months Now, now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't look at what you dropped Last year, two years ago, last year. They don't work like that. Yeah, they looking at your algorithm now, exactly In the last three to six months.
Speaker 4:That's why Spotify Also like Spotify is heavy. In these artists' careers. Some people do sign because other A&Rs or people in that position might look at them and see their potential. But majority of the artists that get great deals you gotta be active and your Spotify gotta be through the roof.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your listeners.
Speaker 4:If you're doing a million Spotify listeners monthly by yourself, they gonna look at it like if we press the button or put the machine behind them, that's a million.
Speaker 2:Or three million.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So let me ask you a question why is Lil Mook no longer with Stacker Stars? It's crazy.
Speaker 4:I knew you was going to ask me that.
Speaker 3:You knew I was.
Speaker 4:It's crazy because everybody who I got to release shit with or just even met alongside the journey, they always ask me like damn, you don't fuck with bro, no more.
Speaker 1:Because, honestly, not to cut you off real quick.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you good.
Speaker 1:Because, honestly, bro, you talented bro and there's no way you should be even looking like you on a shelf or waiting to do anything, bro, like your talent should always be pushed to the forefront. And why? Because you got proof of concept. That's how I feel. That's what I meant by saying you should feel. I know what you meant. Like, you can be active right now. Your YouTube is there, but they go by the 3-6 months algorithm. I ain't talking about your views Like somebody gonna look at active right now YouTube is there to where people going to tune in?
Speaker 2:I ain't talking about your views Somebody going to look at your views and then sign you. I'm talking about to where, if you drop the people that's fans of you, bro they going to subscribe and they going to tune in. But you got to stay consistent as an artist.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's another big problem.
Speaker 3:What's the reason, though?
Speaker 4:The reason is me personally. Personally, I just feel like he didn't do good business, like and also I was born yeah, like I was more so like personal when it came down to us doing business.
Speaker 1:That's also another thing that it up so you had personal feelings involved in you doing business with buna I just want to be correct. I don't want nobody. I don't want the cameras to get dismissed, confused because screwed with anything.
Speaker 4:Okay, no, diddy all right.
Speaker 1:No, daddy, my bad no real shit, though.
Speaker 4:Like I looked at, I looked, I looked at him like like og, like a big brother, so do right by me, you feel me like, like because, you know, I'm not aware yeah, like you supposed to advocate me in the best way possible.
Speaker 4:Like just try to. You know, I mean, even though I was becoming a young adult at the time, I met you when I was a kid and I still felt like I was your little brother. So at times when we was like even we getting to label me and at times I did want him to pull me to the side, like hey, look, you know, this is this and that is that. Like it was like everything would happen so fast and nobody really looked into it, so it. It was like I don't know. But to answer your question, me and Booner, like we not enemies or nothing. Like you feel me.
Speaker 3:I still got genuine love for him.
Speaker 4:I'm not wishing the best, but me personally.
Speaker 1:It just didn't work out business-wise yeah business-wise.
Speaker 4:I just can't do it because it's in his best interest and that's how it's supposed to be Like To be honest in that situation, In that situation.
Speaker 2:In that situation also, though I'm not taking over, I'm just being biased With that situation. Booner supposed to have his lawyer. You supposed to have your own lawyer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and that's another thing too. I was using his lawyer Since I signed.
Speaker 1:That's a conflict of interest. That's what my lawyer told me.
Speaker 4:But then another thing that started revealing a lot like. So now, once I get my lawyer involved, it became a problem you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You became problematic exactly before we go any further.
Speaker 2:Man, make sure y'all share, like, subscribe, comment, comment get that new.
Speaker 1:EP Go get that, go get that new EP.
Speaker 2:And get that new EP. Sorry, it wasn't my fault.
Speaker 3:Sorry, it wasn't my fault.
Speaker 2:Lil Moot man.
Speaker 3:We not playing man. So let me, let me ask you a question, right, and like I ain't gonna hold you like I gotta ask this, bro, because Like we seen you up, you feel me, we seen you at the top, we seen you working, we seen all that. So I just wanted to ask Cause I ain't gonna lie, that shit could fuck a nigga up Mentally, bro Excuse my language that That'll like Mess you up mentally, like that. You know it was a point when, like I got the city in my palms Like and then something business wise can happen, or your label or this, that A kid, whatever Make you like be on some, you feel me, but you already showed what you could do as an artist and stuff, but Like just being up and just like all this shit happening, so you it's like a that could fuck with somebody young, like why you think all these celebrity kids since five and six, when they in their 20s fat, now they drugged out.
Speaker 3:Uh, because they it's like a point date, like all right, look anybody who be at their prime and anything is going to be a low period. They was in a prime when they was six and seven, so they low period, they're gonna be a dub, feel what I'm saying. So your, your big period was 16, so that mean your low period and all that 20, 21, 19. Feel me like motherfuckers not supposed to be thinking like that. Like damn, I'm at a fucked up point in my life because I was here at fucking 1920. You feel me so like, did that ever like? Like, like like give you a chip on your shoulder or make you bitter or something like that, or it's like like I know I'm going to get back, type shit.
Speaker 4:No, I ain't going to lie. I want to answer this like as honest as possible.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I never felt like I had the city in my palm, but I felt like I did have a run.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:And everybody had a run like you know, I'm saying like, even, even like the greatest, like they might. It's a roller coaster, like when you're in this type of game, like when you're in the music game, like you go up, you go down, you go up, you go down, and yeah, it put a chip on your shoulder, but it's all about if you like, if you're gonna keep going, and it's crazy, though, bro not to cut you off real quick, bro, I just want to say this some niggas up is just a hundred thousand and they down is five, eight.
Speaker 3:You're down whatever you should. A hundred, your high is a million. Am I explaining to you, like your views on youtube? Your high point is millions, right, the Jones, where people going to be like you ain't do as much as a, that's a hundred, right? Some niggas do a hundred and that be they high.
Speaker 1:That, be they niggas, work they whole career.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they whole career to do what you did, then they lows be like five, ten grand, you doing three million, two million.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that concept bro.
Speaker 3:Then a hundred, that two million, and that concept, bro, and that concept bro, you really you really doing better than a lot of rappers at your lowest at the time where you ain't got no deal and you can't find a little mook, you can't find two or three little mook videos that don't got a hundred.
Speaker 3:We just was looking at him like so your high point is your million and all that. But I just wanted to say that, man, because like when brizzy was here, I was saying the same thing. Like the day you, every day that go by, you closer to winning as long as you working, but if you be on some shit like this happened and that happened and that happened, you blocking your blessings. You feel what I'm saying, but me and you Already had, I mean, conversations About how shit About to go and we gonna keep it on.
Speaker 4:You know, we can't See the future, but the only thing we can do is prepare.
Speaker 3:Exactly, and pray, but other than that.
Speaker 4:I was about to pinpoint Back to what you said Before that I do. I do begin discouraged at time, okay, like just when you, when you got so much ambition like and so much hunger, like and potential for this shit. Like I don't, a lot of people call me cocky I oh, that's because I always like, embraced and like yeah you know I'm saying so everybody always looked at.
Speaker 4:I was cocky, but I've been telling niggas since middle school I'm going to get a deal, I'm going to blow up all of rap, I'm going to be the biggest thing out, I'm going to be the next Meek Mill, you might say or Jay-Z or Biggie Smalls. You know what I'm saying. People that basically left an impact. Motherfuckers, that's living the all-star dream you got me saying like I wanted that, like I want to be the night the next. Michael jordan the rap. Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the the making music but, so so with that on some real bro. Matt just called right and and I mean that's my uncle and I know y'all built the relationship and like that. But like once we got off the phone he texted me like you on escape. He said he next bro totally and that's benny siegel. That's, that's so whenever you're never over I was watching, I was watching being not to cut you off, bro.
Speaker 4:I've been watching beans since I was like I had to be like six years old yeah like six, seven years old, yeah, watching state of property, like you right, like I told him, that I bumped into him in the airport a couple times, just you know, coming down to the city, like even seeing him At the W, like he, he, authentic, I'm gonna throw you off A little bit, but I was about to say this.
Speaker 2:But like Alright Cause I always ask Niggas weird ass questions but like, if you ever Was like Alright, in that great, great position where you want to be as an artist right, rap is a platform what are you going to do after you're successful as an artist? Do you have that in mind already?
Speaker 4:Honestly, yeah, like I be thinking about generational wealth I ain't going to lie bro Like I be thinking about my kids, kids like and I just had my first daughter um congratulations first. Thank you, um. That really like that been on my mind before I became like a father, like congratulations, bro, being able to provide being able to provide, like making sure, like I want to live. I want to live like free. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like I want to live like free, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:I don't want my daughter to have to worry for nothing, or my mom or, like my girl, my wife or whatever. My kids Like none of that, I don't want none of that Right. Because I always seen it growing up, always seen it in my mom's need for something, always seen it in my siblings' need for something.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying. And it something like right, you know I'm saying, and it always did something to me, even before I was a man, like it did something to me, like emotionally, mentally, like I don't, so I just always wanted to find something I could do that could get them to that point fast, like like you ever think about acting, or like.
Speaker 4:I love. Yeah, I, I ain't gonna lie. I was about to say I love acting, but I never tried it, but I love the thought of it. Like I always said I. I about to say I love acting, but I never tried it, but I love the thought of it.
Speaker 2:Like I always said, I do acting Like. If I get to that point, I'll probably get a script, or two.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you feel me, go ahead, throw me in power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you gotta let the people know, because you know what I mean. Besides rap, rap is just a platform to get us to where we trying to be at. The same thing for the streets, for hustlers Like we just want a hustler to get where we got to get at. You know what I mean in life. And the same thing as a rapper. A rapper got to get to where he got to be at in life. You know what I'm saying, but he also want to do something else. You know what I mean when it come to acting, starting your own company. You know what I mean building generational wealth. You know I mean having foundation for your family. So you know I mean just always keep in mind to where, as though, like rap is just a platform that's going to give me a check so I could go take care of this. You know what I'm saying can I say something fast?
Speaker 4:it's crazy because I always wanted to write, but it's like once I actually got into the business and seeing what come with it I'm like this. I'm like that's crazy seen what come with it. I'm like fuck this shit, that's crazy, I'm like, because it got so much to do with your morals and your principles, bro.
Speaker 1:Like people like bro, I've seen the grimiest shit, like in this music business, like within, just moving into the industry and all that It'll drain your creative juices Like it'll just drain you out.
Speaker 3:Yeah like so It'll drain your, your creative juices, like it'll just drain you out. Yeah, like so. So I wanted to Shout out Manny To him.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Manny man, manny out here man, that's my brother, man Shout out Manny Brother the most ambassador.
Speaker 3:Damn man yeah man Shout out to Manny, my brother, like people already know that, but I wanted to ask you, man, like you know. So, manny, 2 on 5 and what I wish I knew Foundation. Uh, don't get tricked out your spot.
Speaker 1:You been tearing that shit up All month. You been tearing it up.
Speaker 3:That's gonna be the last one. By the time y'all see this. It's gonna be probably long done, but Anyway, man, I just gotta say this yo, next, that's gonna be the last one. By the time y'all see this. It's gonna be probably long done, but gone. Anyway, man, I just gotta say this yo, you tore king the down facts like for our street. That was crazy. He played best for you. Then, he, he, what's the joint you keep previewing called oh fall in love, it's unreleased.
Speaker 3:Fall in love unreleased. You shut king down, you had everybody in the whole high school dancing and all that.
Speaker 2:And then you want the marriage mastery, shoemaker and draw coming in the crowd like you was on they love you, bro and look bro, how you be like.
Speaker 3:I give y'all such and such. If y'all could come up to the stage and sing my word song for song every time you did that. They did that, bro. You don't know how, bro, when, bro mastery, we had 8th graders and 7th graders in there. That mean they was in 4th grade when your shit came out. Nah, real red. Like Mastery, we had 7th and 8th graders.
Speaker 4:No, they showed me nothing but love in there. Yeah, bro, and it kind of knocked some dust off because I've been on the shelf and I've been put up.
Speaker 3:Like you know, I'm in Atlanta, so I ain't down here that much I was gonna ask you like yeah, I was gonna ask you like them tours, like you say. Sometimes you get discouraged and then the stuff that encourage you and motivate you and say, man, I got the is that tour and the way the audience is that an encourage or like a boost or something that's definitely a boost. Oh God.
Speaker 4:I see the energy, just even seeing motherfuckers. That's just running up to you.
Speaker 1:They react to it Like. You know what I'm saying In real life.
Speaker 4:They appreciate, you Like their reaction, you get Like or they show you.
Speaker 2:It's not like that in Philly. We don't do that.
Speaker 4:But the kids, they got innocence, so they don't. No, it's like that though. Yeah, and that's what I was saying as far as their encouragement part. You know, the young niggas they'll come up to me, let me get a picture and I could be feeling like yo, my career ain't where I wanted to be at right now, or I ain't doing what I want to do, you know what I'm saying I ain't financially where I want to be, I don't want to like, I don't want to pop out, I don't want to shoot a music video because I don't got the flyest cars or the latest, the latest watch or whatever.
Speaker 4:Right, you know what I mean. It's like because, young, they show you that oh, you got to entertain, you got to. You got to. You got you know what I mean they ain't just going to accept you like how you is. They always try to put a twist on it. You know what I'm saying. But just growing up in this line of business, yeah, definitely I get discouraged a lot because I be, I'd be in my head a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, overthinking.
Speaker 4:I'd overthink, and I think that's another thing that slowed me up too, like me just being in my head a lot overthinking.
Speaker 3:I don't think I'm never going to stop doing that, bro. So who?
Speaker 4:I feel like, but another thing too. I feel like it also was like a good thing too.
Speaker 1:Like me being over my head.
Speaker 4:It helped me, like even in the business, like you know what I'm saying. Say, if I wasn't overthinking certain things or second-guessing certain people, I would still be like.
Speaker 1:Naive to the shit that was going on around you. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying Exactly. Yeah, no doubt, Exactly. So when I started like really being in my head a lot like and paying attention to shit that's going on around you Well, how much is you?
Speaker 4:really spin, or right, right, right the label actually give me yeah it's like now, when it be conversations being held, we having a disagreement. I don't never want nobody throwing something out there in the heat of the moment and I'm not understanding, like, for example, I hate a that that I thought, oh, you owe me and it's like when you did it, it was a.
Speaker 1:It was like I was looking out, it wasn't nothing like yeah it wasn't that one when when it was initially done, yeah, but now that we in the argument I owe you I owe you, but I ain't like that I ain't gonna lie bro so I.
Speaker 4:I dug into it like how I owe you. Pull up the yeah, right pull up the pull up the Bing statements. Or show me my long sheet, pull up my contract, like.
Speaker 3:I ain't gonna lie bro, i'ma keep it All. We real Like I gotta X this, bro, and I'm not Keep trying to go to Booner. No, you're really the most Positive. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying To the world, man.
Speaker 4:Keep it real, like I don't got no hate towards nobody in my heart. I'm gonna buy the win. I'm just gonna say my truth in the best way I could possibly.
Speaker 3:You know, pop it man talk to your bro, all right, all right, yeah, I respect that bro and I that made you even look thoroughly like for a rap. You already in my book, you was but I just want to ask this, bro like what year did you do a song with little baby?
Speaker 4:was that 2020 all right?
Speaker 1:21 okay, yeah, all the years.
Speaker 3:You just said 21 and 20. We can arguably say, besides future drop, I never liked you, besides that we could little baby ranch the whole fucking game at that point no yeah so that's a fat so that whole year, all little baby like it's not maffin you, he on a labor major, major, I mean a major label, you on a major label, mm-hmm, where did the disconnect Like? Why is that not Best for you times five?
Speaker 4:The disconnect was. I need to know that it was basically like and this is where I say, you know what I mean, the business Shiesty. You know what I'm saying, cause it was basically like A play.
Speaker 3:Now all y'all Upcoming artists, y'all need to listen To this shit.
Speaker 4:My fault for cutting you off, good so it went wrong because, for one, we negotiated the, the you know um, the price of the feature, like baby, he was trying to charge like one something, and, buna, he had a relationship with baby I get, like he, I don't know, he used to rap or a gamble, right, and they had, they had met alongside a lot of making on. So you're short. He reached out to him because, boona, he had called me like yo, you want a feature, a baby, and I'm, you know, I'm just turning 18, just saw my deal, why not? Like we could afford it. That's how I'm looking at, like damn, we could afford it.
Speaker 4:I got, I got a $500,000 budget. You know I mean record, record budget, like why not? So a $500,000 budget? You know what I mean? A recording budget, like why not? So when I get the feature with Baby, we pull up on him and we give him $80,000 cash, but we under the impression that the label gonna reimburse us, which they did. It took some time, but at the same token, at the same token, baby, he was just doing the feature for the $80,000. It didn't come with the promo, it didn't come with the video.
Speaker 4:So, I'm thinking like damn, I'm giving him $80,000 out of my budget. This shit going to go viral. This shit going to. You know what I mean? You wanted to do the best it could do. It's going to go up, but I didn't know the business.
Speaker 2:Did it come with the release and everything up?
Speaker 4:but I didn't know the business didn't come with the release and everything like when you know, like when I put it out, it was just strictly, just through me are.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying, and I didn't understand that because my, my, my team at the time reached back to me. You know, um, and they was like yo baby label uh, hit us up and they saying you got to put another um, another feature on there, another signed artist on there. But then they did, this was the catch they like your label rca, they ain't paying for another uh feature because you don't got the budget. So now I'm in my head like how I don't got the budget? I signed a 1.5 million dollar deal. You know I'm saying what. So I'm like how I don't got the budget? So now it make me question the people around me, like well, what y'all doing with the, with the recording budget, what y'all doing with the money?
Speaker 2:but that's, that's another story so like wait, how, how many hold up? Man, how far was was you along inside? Uh, aside the deal, already when it got like that, like when you got that call, like hold on.
Speaker 4:I got probably like almost a year almost a year, yeah, that's like that.
Speaker 1:You was probably like almost a year, almost a year. So a year, yeah, because that's like you was probably like almost a year in when you got the feature One year in.
Speaker 2:It was a dysfunction in the budget right there.
Speaker 4:I know I was living in Atlanta at the time, so I'm going to say almost a year since I got the deal. Yeah, so how long was you signed for?
Speaker 3:I was signed for like two years, about to go on three but I was signed for like two years, about to go on three, but I got out my deal. And what year you got out?
Speaker 4:I want to say last year 2023.
Speaker 3:So let me ask you a question, but no.
Speaker 4:It went left, though I ain't really answer your question.
Speaker 1:I was getting to that point.
Speaker 4:It went left Because it wasn't no real conversation like being held like between both parties, basically breaking down what come with the 80 000, like we thinking like oh, we getting a baby verse for 80 000. It was miscommunication on both hands on both ends and me being so young and naive, I'm like I got the feature I got the feature, what else next, but? Me personally, I was trying to put him on Best For you remix.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That would have been crazy.
Speaker 4:You know, the team at the time, my team at the time decided let's send Lil Baby five records. I'm like why not just put him on? Best For you and I just signed the $1,000 deal off of it. We going to make it go up. So nobody looked at it that way. They like? No, we just going to send him five records and let him decide. He chose one of the records out of that five, which wasn't Best For you, obviously, Rob.
Speaker 2:Markman Was Best For you in the five. Yeah.
Speaker 4:So once he told me the song he liked or whatever, or he told the team the song he liked, he knocked it out. He got the open verse, he finished the song in like 10 minutes. We pulled up on him at Icebox and dropped off the money 80,000. We took a picture and we went from there. We just you know what I mean, and that was the last time I heard of the song being you know what I I mean. I wound up putting it out by myself. I was just holding on to a baby feature. But here was the catch. This is the I ain't like and I also mentioned.
Speaker 1:Damn, I didn't know that because you sped by that you put this. So you got the baby record that you spent 80 000 on and you had to put it out by yourself put it out by myself, mind you.
Speaker 4:I'm telling you, I'm we trying to get the label Cause mind you Baby like Listen, baby, like we gonna give he, like, if you give us another, or his team, I guess I don't know, but I never was talking To Lil Baby direct. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:So that's where the Communication, miscommunication Start from too. So they was saying, oh, if you give An extra 20 000, he'll do the video right. But I'm like, damn, I just gave him 80 out of my budget. I'm like, I'm like I don't, I can't afford that, like, and they saying I gotta put another artist on there. But that was, that was. That's what they said, allegedly.
Speaker 4:I ain't understand that, though yeah and this, where they be trying to make me look like I'm the problem and I ain't the team player. Because now the opportunity presented itself, they like well, you know Young K signed to enter school, right, put him on a song. And you know me being, you know me, I'm like, yeah, why not? At first I was saying let's put Young ACE on there. Let's put some, because I know I can get them for a good number. I know I can get these feats for a good number, a good number. I know I can get these features from a good number. And I'm trying, I'm trying to tap in the to everybody, fan base. You know what I'm saying. I'm, I'm cool for when it comes to the city, like you know what I mean. Like I'm not, I'm trying to, I'm trying to grow, like I'm trying to elevate, I want to get, I want fans from all over you know what I'm saying, not saying that philly artists can't help me get there.
Speaker 4:But it's like this. At that point it's a ceiling. It's a ceiling like I'm like, damn well, it's two philly on it. I'm like let's get another out of town or on the track. You know what I'm saying? Another, another artist that's out of town that got his own on the track.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying do you but buna, put it on the table like, look, we gonna put young k on it because he on the team and he signed and you ain't got paid no money but whole time on it, because he on the team and he signed and you ain't got paid no money but whole time. It was the finesse, like I ain't, I ain't say he was getting a check or nothing from me doing a feature with baby, but who knows, like I don't, I don't really know how that worked. You know I handed baby, baby to 80 000 and then you get royalties for that no like all right, that's how he getting paid.
Speaker 4:I don't see no money off my music like at all at all like in in this, the, where the discouraging part come in it, like because I never was taught, like, how to upload my on the dsps and and um, like, just like I don't, I never knew, I never knew about that shit how old was you when you signed your contract with stacker star? 17.
Speaker 1:your mother was there no no, that's illegal, bro.
Speaker 3:Not at all, that's illegal. You know that right, you signed a contract. Yeah, your mom wasn't there you were 17.
Speaker 4:yeah, bro, that's illegal. Bro, is that illegal?
Speaker 3:or not, that I'm about to show you right now, bro no, I I could believe that, though that's like illegal, like you could sue him illegal not no light stuff like if you get booked for 17 listen bro if you get booked for a crime right, and there was other people involved, or it could just be you and you go in that interrogation room and he signed a docket and he underage that's illegal you always gotta have a parent present?
Speaker 4:I ain't really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even the lawyer though Even your lawyer Was your lawyer there. Depending on whether the person is emancipated, right, he can be emancipated at 16.
Speaker 1:He wasn't emancipated.
Speaker 2:Was your lawyer there Present.
Speaker 3:Bro, that's literally illegal. Rico did the same thing though.
Speaker 2:Rico have it. He signed his paperwork With no lawyer At the time.
Speaker 3:I don't know about.
Speaker 2:At the time. That's my boy.
Speaker 4:I didn't even read it myself.
Speaker 2:Meek did it too. Meek did it. We're all satisfied, he was way over 18 bro, I'm just telling you that's how I'm gonna be signing these deals, though they'd be really nobody said they did and I'm telling you it's illegal, all right, yeah, like meek was like 24, 25, right yeah? Yeah, you can't, you just gotta be here, sign this you gotta be of age.
Speaker 3:If you ain't 18 or older, you can't. That's like that's literally illegal, bro. No, it is. That's crazy, bro. That's why this shit even happened. That you talking about Real rap, cause I don't know if y'all know who Jason? Y'all know who Jason Weaver is.
Speaker 4:Jason Weaver.
Speaker 3:Yeah, alright, jason Weaver, bro. He the nigga who played Michael Jackson Jackson 5 when he was younger.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know you're talking about ticket he on atl the dark skin bull jason weaver on atl.
Speaker 3:He was making the grills and shit him niggas.
Speaker 3:Don't know, bro, he is like one of the best singers ever, like that chingy song uh that's him but look though, right niggas don't know, bro, he sing the lion king shit, like all that lion king shit we grew up on. He sung it. The nigga was like nine or ten, bro, he was a kid. Huh, he was a kid when he did it. Yeah, he was like nine or ten, bro, he was a kid. Huh, he was a kid when he did it. Yeah, he was like nine or ten. This is what I'm telling you, right? This is the reason I'm saying this story, for a reason. So he sung the lion king john, the biggest grossing kid movie ever in the world, and when it came out, it was bigger than everything like that shit was bigger than the jay-z album, bro. But he sung this shit in the background. He was using simple voice and all that.
Speaker 3:So they went to the draw. They had a meeting. He was with his mom. His mom, the disney, was like this we could cut you one big ass three million dollar check right now, or this. So his mom was like what's the? Or this yeah, take this hundred thousand and roll you and you get royalties. Bro, his mom took that hundred thousand royalties so fast, bro. He said he's still getting five figure checks from lion king right now. That was 25 years ago, bro. He's still getting five-figure royalty checks. So that's why, when he beat contracts statements, if you're not of age, bro, you're not supposed to be signing this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what I know a business is like when you under 18,.
Speaker 4:You can't sign no form of documentation without a parental or a guardian with you or your legal Y you're legal seeing lawyer, even that when you under 18 was rca, but I was 18 at the time and I just was taking it for the experience, like, look, mom, we quit the job like we right yeah, even though I didn't know the pros and the cons and what actually came with it. Like I'm thinking, when I signed a deal, I get 1.2 or 1.5 yeah they ain't give me. They ain't give me a million dollars. Like you know, you get a fraction of that so it wasn't no pros and you get a van.
Speaker 3:It wasn't no amount of money how you just said, it wasn't no pros the money okay, yeah, the money, and yeah I want to say the resources yeah that's more important than money.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like the money and the resources they give you or they give you access to, but yeah, like it ain't no real like that. Shit is different, bro. It's hard to explain.
Speaker 3:Well, before we get to the point where we about to close out.
Speaker 3:Before we get to that point, white boy gonna do a fast track After this. But, bro, I ain't gonna hold you, bro, like Out of everybody. Bro, that was like Signed and went through this and left a label, whatever, whatever, whatever, bro, I've been around you for the last month, like nine stops, bro, like for the last month, and I ain't gonna lie bro, everybody who was popping when you was popping, they fell out of face of the earth, bro you got the most potential bro, shit and you still on some they.
Speaker 3:It don't even got to be about music. I'm talking about life together, still being outside and able to get shows, like I mean, like some people don't even got a record that they can go perform and the students know it. You feel what I'm saying? And it's just like I commend you for that dog Because you could have been on some man. I'm cool. I made my bread. Now this happened. I'm cool. You like? No, watch this, bro. I'm about to fuck him up again. Oh yeah, I'm about to do this. Yo, let me get that interview out of that.
Speaker 3:Keep that energy, bro, because I'm telling you a lot of these dudes out here not even fucking with you for real you, a lot of these dudes out here not even with you for real, real rap, believe me, I know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, just like parts of me be wanting to be humble because I'm not in the position I was when I first signed that ain't gotta be humble. You did something, though there's some people that didn't even do nothing, I feel like that, but at the same token I don't be never wanting to make nobody feel like oh, I, I'm, I'm more of Uh, what's the word I wanna use Like?
Speaker 2:I get what you saying, but fuck all that shit what you mean.
Speaker 4:No, like it just.
Speaker 1:Yo, I get what you saying, like you don't see Drake Walking in the room.
Speaker 4:Like I'm Drake.
Speaker 1:That's he do. That's he do. I'm humble. You like humble?
Speaker 2:Yes he do With Drake walking in the room. You gonna know, drake walked in the room, bro. Now when jay cole walk in the room, I can see us not knowing jay cole in that room because he's quiet, he's humble, not really audience. So the people, no, no, I feel that. I feel that, but say, if jay cole didn't announce he was going somewhere, we're not gonna know. He's there. Drake, don't announce he's going somewhere. It's a different story, bro. We're going to see him. It there, drake, don't announce he's going somewhere. It's a different story, bro. We're going to see him. It's going to get loud. People gonna run j cole ride right past you on a bicycle, bro, you won't even dig it's j cole right hoodie on, just on the two cut two humble two low k, I probably wouldn't recognize.
Speaker 1:I just think that like at the time where you had best for you and and you was at that might seem like the height of your career. That's just like at that time. I just think that, like you really got it, whereas though you can come back and hit them again with the same shit or like even better. It's all about shooting and a jump Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:Facts Like, and I used to think like man, I'm on to the next, like they, looking for another Best For you, but whole time I should have been holding on to Best For.
Speaker 1:You yeah, even now like.
Speaker 4:I still have ideas. Like man, I still ain't put nobody on that song.
Speaker 2:Like as far as a big picture, I was going to ask you did you have any regrets? Every?
Speaker 4:artist that has Breakthrough or had a hit single. They put a remix on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Because the numbers name like even Meek Mill, for example he's still performing Dreams and Nightmares.
Speaker 3:That's a fact. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:Facts- he's probably been performing this song for like 10 years. Over Over 10 years. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Over a decade.
Speaker 4:So that's what I mean when you make it, when you make like uh timeless music timeless music. It's going to forever bring you in like some type of recognition or money me on it. On that hand, I don't like I don't make no money off my music like whoever could point me in the right direction, show me how I could monetize my. Contact me. Follow me on instagram. So wait wait, wait.
Speaker 2:When you mean, I don't make no money off my music, I thought you was like so why is that? Are you in a contract, or?
Speaker 4:something gotta be, I don't know. It's a turn because manji bro it's a term in your contract that has your streaming bro.
Speaker 4:Exactly it has to be like manja, when I just uh uploaded my ep, it was only three singles on the uh like distro kid, and I'm like damn, I didn't put out a whole album, I didn't put out this, that and the third. I ain't see best for you on there, of course, but I'm like how. I'm like, how am I supposed to make money off of my old music? You know what I'm saying and I don't know where that come in. At like, even when, like me, and when me and Booner Went our separate ways, like he was like Alright, you don't owe me nothing. I wish you the best. Once you know, the lawyers got involved.
Speaker 2:So alright, look, do they own your name still.
Speaker 4:I'm not sure that's what I'm saying. I don't know.
Speaker 2:You ever think of changing your name?
Speaker 4:Uh yeah, I told myself.
Speaker 1:Rappers change. You got to get that contract and get it right.
Speaker 4:I was doing a lot. This joint, too, my fault. Go ahead.
Speaker 3:My fault, go ahead, that's dumb. That's dumb period. I'm trying to speed up. That's dumb period. No, listen, but what you was about to say as far as what?
Speaker 4:Because I'm not sure. You said the lawyers got involved.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the lawyers got involved and at Boone was saying, like you know, I owe him 100,000. And I'm like how, you know what I'm saying. And uh, once I had the lawyers looking into the paperwork, he had me sign another contract when I was like 19. And I'm like, well, what's this saying? He's basically saying you owe me less or whatever the case. And I'm like you know me being so naive and so loyal I'm like, fuck it. Yeah, you already know. But, mind you, before I signed it, I had my own lawyer looking to it and, as crazy as she wasn't even an entertainment lawyer, it's just somebody in the family who know how to read contracts. But at that time I ain't know the difference. I'm just like you, a lawyer, right you?
Speaker 4:can read over this, you'll tell me so at the time she reading over it, I get her on the phone with Buna and she just like well, my client not signing nothing until we see the other paperwork until we see the other contract and he like well, it's in a warehouse somewhere in Philadelphia and I can't get it. I can't find it.
Speaker 4:So, moral of the story. He goes off Me and him we conversating Like on a On a different Phone call now Cause he feel uncomfortable On the phone with the lawyer. So I call him in person Like damn bro, what you on? Oh bro, you got me on the phone With da, da, da, with so and so, and I'm just like why you taking like that I'm just trying to do what's best for me. Why can't you respect that as a big brother?
Speaker 2:Right, I didn't.
Speaker 4:I didn't look at it like Damn, he's a CEO who's actually Doing a business that's in his best interest.
Speaker 1:With your name.
Speaker 4:You get what I'm saying, yeah, so. So now I'm like Damn, I ain't gonna be. You know what I mean. Like I didn't. It was just so much that was unsaid and so much I didn't understand once you find that out, it put you on a roller coaster.
Speaker 1:It put you on a roller coaster that's supposed to be big bro. Yeah, and now I got my representation involved. And now you feeling away like, so I see, I, I see where.
Speaker 4:But then again, I'm not that type of person, like I'm not trying to slander his name or make him look like this yeah, no doubt I want to take credit. Like I didn't know, I didn't go seek advice or information.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:People gonna keep using that. Oh well, you was too young, but at the same time I was doing all the things. Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:This ain't the Bash Boner. This ain't the Bash Boner Because, like, for real, like he, he was a football player, right, yeah, he Retired A retired football player. He probably didn't know Too much about about the music business as well. He might have had aspirations of having a label and he went in freestyling. He got top artists in the city. They wound up popping off and his label wound up popping off as well. He might not have had even fully known the terms and conditions that was in these contracts as well. So it's not. This is not the bash boner. This is just to tell the youngest that's moving forward to be on your business. I don't even give a if it's in the beginning. That's what I'm in the beginning. Be on your business in the beginning, not when you pop, not when the song get a hundred grand, no, when that got a thousand. Still have your business in order for just in case, if that ever do pop off and go somewhere. You be in order.
Speaker 4:Your business is in order, yeah, right so to any up-and-coming artists, like you know, I mean that don't got a team, find one get you a lawyer also read that get your lawyer that's going to break down these contracts right, just read them because I be having lawyers read contracts and they saying it literally. How they reading it, like these big ass words yeah, you gotta.
Speaker 1:You gotta get somebody to break it down to the simplest terms. You need somebody to break it down to the simplest terms.
Speaker 4:ABC alphabetical order that's going to have you understand 100%. Like these artists, go up here and they be in these labels looking confused because they don't know what this shit means, right?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying so that's another thing.
Speaker 4:Have a lawyer, go and read it Also. Know who you're in business with. Get you a team that's you know what I mean that's not only looking for their best interest, but yours. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:So that's another thing. Like, I feel like it was a lot of hands in one pot and everybody was so focused on the now. Like was so focused on the now like we got with the label. We ain't we ain't used the label to the advantage. You feel me by saying, yo, let's take this money and dump, dump all this back into the music I'm gonna put what I, what I owe.
Speaker 4:I mean what I, what I'm, what I'm entitled to in my pocket, like you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna put what I'm entitled to in my pocket and I'm gonna just I'm gonna give him this and see what he doing with it when.
Speaker 4:I signed the deal, I got $500,000 advance. Did I see a $500,000 advance? No, I got $175,000, and I didn't understand that. Neither I'm like well, you gave me $175,000. Where is the money? Where's the rest of it at? Where is it going to? But the rest of it at where it's going to. But then I had to come to the realization it was so many parties involved that now I'm breaking this down with this. I'm but me and buna had a 50 50 split. So I'm like why not? Why? Why ain't I get 250, like you?
Speaker 4:know right, so now it was just so many. It was just so many questions I had, and I ain't understand none of this shit. But all I'm getting to say is like Just go in the business and Ask questions. Like you gotta Come in prepared too. Like have the mouthpiece, have somebody that's gonna advocate for you, that's gonna read over this shit, and also don't go up there with your hand out. That's another thing I ain't like. Like we went up to the labels With our hand out, like we showing them content footage that we working, but we couldn't make demands.
Speaker 4:Like build, that's because you gotta have a leverage you had to leverage, build your out of build the leverage I was going to label and literally they telling me, bro, they're not going to give you an m. Yeah, you don't have that type of catalog I said I got that type of potential, like you ain't going to tell me I'm not worth it, to these five songs they, but they looking at they are a while from the gun bus like, all right, I need my return on investment asap.
Speaker 1:So if I invested in into you, I need to know that my money is coming back at x, y and z.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because like other than that, then we just freestyling exactly, exactly and and I ain't gonna lie, the labels, even the major labels, they be doing some of that too. They be doing that, that too, like freestyling and shit. At times they might think that this might be the next one. For example, I had an A&R when I signed to Sony. They was like after I dropped, best For you, we was on to the next. They like this is the one, this song, this song, that's the one. But nobody really knew it was just like we was throwing rocks at a, at a, trying to see yourself, like trying to see if something stick, like yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 1:So you know, before we close out, I like to uh play a little game. It's called fast track, so it's like, basically, you pick one or the other, and it ain't really no thought. It's just like a fast answer. And since you from philly, I want to do like one philly, two philly based joints, and then I'm gonna do some industry based joints. All right, so we come from philly and philly we got the hoagie and the cheesesteak. So which one would you pick?
Speaker 1:cheesesteak all right, um you know, we got the two legendary groups in this city, major figures in state property.
Speaker 3:State property.
Speaker 1:Alright, alright, miss J to Eve.
Speaker 4:Miss who.
Speaker 1:Miss J or Eve. Miss J was signed to Missy. I don't know if you knew her or not. Alright, now I'm going to go to industry. Lil Baby, lil Dirt. Miss J was signed to Missy. I don't know if you knew her or not. You know, miss J, yeah, yeah. Yeah, all right, now I'm going to go to industry. Lil Baby.
Speaker 4:Lil Dirk.
Speaker 1:Lil Baby, lil Baby, lil Dirk, jay-z or Biggie.
Speaker 4:Biggie, gotta go with Biggie.
Speaker 1:Fire, fire, young Miami or Glorilla. I'm gonna go with Glorilla.
Speaker 4:I like Glor right now too. I'm gonna go with Glorilla, just because it makes more sense.
Speaker 1:Moneybag Yo or Black Youngsta.
Speaker 4:Wait, go ahead, I'm listening, Money bag yo or black youngster. That's a nice one though. I'm going to go with money bag.
Speaker 1:All right, and this is my last one right here we're going to go QC or TDE. Qc is quality control and TDE is top dog entertainment.
Speaker 4:I would go with TDE, just because they got that West Coast platform.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I would take advantage of it. Yup.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:Yup Alright man, we appreciate you, dog. This was a great interview. I made you my fucking boy.
Speaker 2:And anything.
Speaker 1:Before we get out of here.
Speaker 4:Stick to it Like even at times. Even though at times we can get discouraged and shit, I'm telling you, at the end it's all going to turn out in your favor. You just got to be dedicated to the goal like to the grind.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 4:Right, and that's another thing I got to work on too Like, just like how you said earlier, being consistent. Like if this is something you really want to do, you have to be consistent, you have to let the fans in, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Oh for sure. Yeah, bro, they want to be a part of the journey.
Speaker 4:Exactly, exactly. Go ahead, cora, take us out.
Speaker 2:There's no right, or wrong in this one.
Speaker 3:One more round of applause for Lil Mook man. We appreciate you, bro, for real man.
Speaker 1:You definitely definitely definitely Live out of Latin City.
Speaker 3:Bro, I ain't even gonna say nothing. They just gonna have to see.
Speaker 1:They gonna see. Nah, we gonna show them.
Speaker 4:Yep, we gonna show them, we gonna have to see Cole.
Speaker 3:Take us out, man.
Speaker 4:They're doing they thing in Philly too, man, all the up and coming.
Speaker 3:Yeah, shout out to y'all.
Speaker 4:Facts Shout out to y'all.
Speaker 3:We definitely support y'all.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we coming right at you, we coming in 3D. If you don't know the name, it's Lil Moop and we're going to keep elevating man. Once again, I appreciate y'all for having me up here, it's the.
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