Decide On Joy
Prosperity Consciousness with Rev. Pat Moore
Hello and welcome to this episode of Decide on Joy, a podcast coming to you from Harmony Spiritual Center in Fort Worth, Texas. My name is Jim Kovalt and
Pjae:my name is Reverend Dr. P. J. Stanley. Hello and welcome.
Jim:And today we have a guest with us, Reverend Pat Moore. Affiliated with Harmony Spiritual Center. Pat, you want to introduce yourself?
Pat:Sure. Well, you've given my name, so that's that. That's that. I am 84 years old and I've been around the Dallas Fort Worth New Thought community for, since I was 20.
Pjae:Wow.
Pat:And I also throughout the state of Texas, so there may be some folks out there that know me. And I've just been a gradual learner I've gone from completely being a dumbass to someone who can make an intelligent conversation. So that's what I'm here to do. We're going to talk about prosperity today, I understand. Also, I wanted to tell you that I do have a spiritual blog. You can look it up on the web, cowtownmystic. com.
Pjae:I love that name, by the way. Love it. Love that name. And,
Jim:So we're talking today about prosperity consciousness in, in the new thought world. And so what exactly is prosperity consciousness?
Pat:Well My viewpoint may be a little, I don't isolate prosperity consciousness. The point is to have an elevated consciousness. And how you live then attracts whatever comes to you. It outforms in your life. If you're a giver, the universe thinks this is a giver, let's give. It's just how you outform what you've learned, and how you Conduct your life with spirit.
Pjae:Okay. Well, one of the reasons, I'm going to jump in, one of the reasons why I I wanted you on this show to talk specifically about prosperity. You can talk about a number of things. She's also really great with the chakra stuff, and we'll probably have you back for a show about that. But you and, and your, your husband, your partner Reverend Glenn, you guys, You show prosperity in such a great way, in such a, an easy way. You just speak your word and it comes out. So that obviously it means to me that you're already there. Like your, your, your consciousness, your, your idea about what, what it looks like to just have money flow, just have whatever it is. So can you talk with us a little bit about that? Talk, give us an example of how you all deal with prosperity. When you, when you feel like you need something to come in, how do you do that?
Pat:Well it's a little bit different for myself and for my husband.
Pjae:Okay.
Pat:He has not always been a New Thought, but he's also always done things to stimulate prosperity. I remember when we first met back in the 1980s. He would yeah. In the dark ages.
Pjae:Yeah.
Pat:Yeah. He had little index cards in his shirt pocket and he would write on them a number that he wanted to manifest and that would come
Pjae:amazing.
Pat:And I really, at that time, when I met him. I was so far down in my understanding, my adult children were having to pay my utility bills.
Pjae:Wow.
Pat:Wow. So that was a phenomenon. And then over the years, I've observed him, for instance, he's also a contractor. And he would tie back to the homeowner 10 percent of what they had asked him to do. Without saying a word, he just considered that a tie. So he's always conducted his life, whether he knew it or not, that was with spirit. Okay. And then I credit him, and then my Growing spiritual understanding to increasing my prosperity consciousness so that we would be a, a unit. We're both on the same page. One of the things, however, that has shocked me, here we were in our 80s, and thought that we had everything under control. We're happy with our life. We were thriving. We gone from his losing his business. And as I said, my children paying our electric, my electric bill, and we thought we understood everything. And then we understand that we each as individuals have energy barriers that are unique to us. But the shocker for me came. When my husband's son passed away, he was 60 years old and he had been a drug addict since he was 12. And you, if any of you had that in your life or you had a handicapped child or a spouse that you're giving care to or whatever, you don't. You're so used to it, you don't believe that those knots in your stomach, your constant concern for whatever your situation is, is blocking things for you. Okay. But when my husband's son died, and he was released from that constant concern about what would happen to his son, we came home from the funeral, And the phone was ringing. And on the phone was someone asking him to come and bid a job for something he'd never done before. Which was a gabion basketball. We, he hung up that and made, had made the appointment. And the next thing, his nephew called to say how sorry he was. And so I asked him, Bo, do you know anything about gabion basketballs? He said, sure. So we arranged to meet Glenn at the job when he bid the job. Okay. He had a paper with all the source supplies and explained to Glenn, which is really a very simple process, it was just new to him. And within two weeks, we had a million dollar contract. Amazing, amazing, amazing. Now it's not that life hadn't been good, Right. But I realized how much of a blockage we were placing in our own path, I don't know how we could have stopped it, but nevertheless it was real. Right. When I look back at Prosperous Incidents, I can see where we let go of certain energy. Yeah. Our preconceived ideas about prosperity and various things. Right. So with each incident, we were altering our consciousness. To be better receivers.
Pjae:I love it. I love it And one of the things that that we talk about a lot here in harmony spiritual center is that you know We have experiences But that's not actually what helps you grow is what helps you grow is examining those experiences trying to figure out what happened What changed why did this allow something else to come into my life? What's this about? So that sounds like what you did that you were that energy from all that energy that you were giving to your your your son, Stepson and Glenn's son was blocking some other things that you, that you wanted to have happen. Yeah. Jim, what are your, what are your thoughts?
Jim:It would have been hard to remove that block because you weren't aware that it was there. Correct.
Pat:And you can't give up your, your caring for your situation. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. That, that sort of thing is, is one of the, the, I mean, I don't want to say obstacle necessarily, but it's, it's, it's a thing that's not easy to deal with, you know. I mean, first figuring out what, what that might be. Yes. And then, you know, I mean, it's easy to say, well, you just think about something else, you don't, you don't focus on that. Right. Yeah. Easy peasy. Yeah. But, you know, your mind is a busy thing.
Pat:Yeah. In retrospect, I mean, it's so obvious that that would have been an an energy blocker. Anything that notches your stomach up, of course, is going to be an energy blocker. Oh, that's a good point. I knew enough about New Thought. Meditation, healing, and all of that sort of thing, where if I had just thought about it, I could have done that. I could have sent healing energy into that blockage, or just been more conscious about releasing that energy. My control or Glenn's control because there's some things that are just not yeah Correct. It's not yours to do and we Don't need to hoard that within our body Yeah,
Pjae:so one of the things you're saying that I'm hearing you say is that for number one awareness is critical Awareness is critical and I think that you know, I I know that I tend to move and I think a lot of people do I don't know everyone but I think a lot of people have talked about this is that You don't, you know, until, until you're in pain, do you pay attention to something? Cause you're just kind of going along and you're taking care of somebody. You're a caregiver where I love whether you're a caregiver that you simply love someone and you're sending it out. That is your focus. And there's nothing, that's nothing wrong with that. That's what you want. You don't realize that. Doing something wonderful for someone else and for yourself as well because that's who you are Sending that love and all but it's taking a lot of your energy towards that You know towards that taking care of some and then you can actually Look at all the energies that are happening in your life and send healing or say hey I just want this to I just want to focus on loving this person But I don't necessarily need my monies or my other things to drop So I'm gonna make sure that I focus on that as well So So this is, that's a great idea. That's a great understanding of how it actually, of how, how it works. Not, you know, it doesn't always work the same way all the time, but that's essentially how it does work.
Pat:Right. And if you're starving to be prosperous, it might behoove you to examine what is holding you in knots and eliminate that Or, or ask someone for
Pjae:how they might eliminate it. Right, right. Looking at you two, you and, you and, you and Glenn, I'm just, I'm, I'm always just excited about, oh my, okay, so I'm just gonna write a little thing and put it in my pocket, but I also have to believe that that's what's happening. I have to know in my own self that that's what's happening and that's what I do. It's like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm, you know what, I'm even going to claim this because I'm good, because I'm worth that. How, how do you, yeah, how does it work for you, Jim? I'm,
Jim:I'm bringing up a perhaps odd angle here, but I know, I mean, Abraham Hicks things, which I think, Pat, you said something about that once, was the thing that made me go find out what it was, and I know PJ said she's not a fan, but but, they, they focus on feeling, and they say that if you, if you're having negative feelings, that is an indication that you're not in sync with Source.
Pjae:Okay. All right.
Jim:And that's, and so you need to change that feeling,
Pjae:yeah, okay.
Jim:Which is a different angle on it. No, it's a good,
Pjae:it's a good thing. And I'm just trying to, what you're saying, it's a good understanding or idea. The only thing that I don't quite understand, and when I'm feeling stuff, sometimes you're just feeling negative because something, something is happening. Something, like you're, like, someone's ill. And that you're, you know what I mean? So, when you say negative feelings, What are you thinking?
Jim:I'm afraid they would consider even that. They would consider that. Yeah, no, I got you. That's a bad thing. Not necessarily, okay, there's, you see a traffic accident and that's distressing. Right. Okay, but that's a temporary thing. Right, that's a passing thing. Correct. It's not.
Pat:Yeah,
Pjae:long term. Yeah. Yeah.
Pat:I want to go back to what Something you said, and then as far as the feelings, I think they're trying to stimulate to make your feelings more positive. And when you're focusing on item, I remember they said, if you can focus on a castle or if you're focusing on a button, that's what you're going to get. Okay. Okay, but I want to go back to what you said about knowing. What I, PJ. Huh, yes PJ. I know who you are. The knowing I can. Pinpoint the moment that life changed for me. Okay. Wonderful. And it comes with the knowing and that's what catapults you into being part of the energy flow. This was, we retired from Unity of Waco and we had several opportunities. We didn't know which one we were going to take. And so Glenn and I had the discussion. And I said, you know, it really doesn't matter. God's with us no matter which one. That is true. There's no wrong decision. But it was that instant of knowing I totally knew everything was going to go, be okay. I was one with spirit. And I think that knowing and that you become one with the divine, that that opens up the door to the flow. Amen. Sometimes when people are beginning in prosperity, they just want to pay the electric bill. Right. And there's nothing wrong with that. Absolutely
Pjae:not.
Pat:It took a long time for us to get to the point of knowing, and it's the same thing that controls healing of a physical or emotional element because this is healing of your, your income. Right. Yeah, exactly. Prosperity.
Pjae:Oh, I like that. Yeah.
Jim:It's prosperity. Does it cover a wider definition or is it just about money?
Pat:Yeah. No, it's not just about money. One of the things that happened in our lives after that, It was such a natural flow of everything that we even thought of coming to us. For instance, I was in the backyard of a new house that we were flipping and I thought, you know, I need some color down in that corner. And before the day was over, a friend drove up with six bagfuls of cantalillies. And so it was one thing after another. So it wasn't money. It was still prosperity. Correct. I found a drapery material for a dollar a yard. You
Pjae:did. I remember you talking about that.
Pat:That wasn't money, but it was prosperity. Abundance. So it's like when you're going down the road and all the lights are green. You know? It's that same being in the flow. I love it. I love it. Held up or buoyed up in your life by being recognizing that you are one
Pjae:with a divine. There it is. And I, yeah, I wanted to come back to that knowing, because that is such a, I try to give an example of what that looks like, because you're exactly right. There has to be this sense of you're not thinking about it, you're not trying for it. You simply know that something is happening and, and one of those ways in which I, I understand that, and all of us have, have had this experience where. Say you're you're getting ready to take a test or whatever it might be and you simply absolutely know You're going to ace it not because you've studied and you have because you can study a bunch and still not do really well in a test But you simply have this knowing and your surety within yourself that Nothing. I've i'm going to ace this I know it in my heart and my gut in my soul And it's a knowing of this when we're talking about prosperity that you know You are one with and that flow the presence The abundance is, is yours to have when you get there and sometimes it comes in and out. For me, I, I know it sometimes and then sometimes I don't. But when I get to the place, oh, I know what's happening right now. I'm getting ready to do something right now and I have an absolute knowing that it's for me. It's mine to do. I know it. And so you just got to get to that level of knowing. That's important. I think you're exactly right about that. And
Pat:conversely, if you had been anxious about the test, you couldn't have done it until you got rid of that anxiety. Right. And it's the same when. When I needed to pay my electric bill, I was so tied up because I didn't have the money to pay the electric bill, I couldn't have manifested it. Right. And I had to go begging for it. So we need to recognize where our anxieties are, whether it's taking the test or in, because when you hold on to that desire and you're trying to manifest that new red Ford pickup truck. Right. You know, back off. Just back off. Yes. And say, God, I need a truck. Yeah. However it looks. Yeah. I trust you, and I know there's a truck out there, but don't just wind up all your feelings in a knot trying to get that red one. Right. Because when a black one shows
Pjae:up, then what? Huh. Are you going to say it didn't happen? Correct. Correct. What are your thoughts, Jim?
Jim:No, you just
Pjae:smiling. Yeah
Jim:You might not even specify truck exactly, right correct I don't
Pjae:what I mean if people you guys know my little car looks like I don't care because what I asked for and what I always get is I can get up and down the road and And it doesn't and I don't use all of my money to make this car run to pay for it to anything that happens And anything that ever happens to my car, it's always a hundred dollars or less to fix it Whatever it is that it doesn't it doesn't I mean once a year once every other years Something I need to fix on the car mostly it's tires because i'm up and down the road all the time So but you know if you need one, I know I know exactly and actually when I said that well When it's time for her to show up, it'll show up. I know that that I know.
Pat:But the, you know, the harder you hold on to trying to manifest a specific, Yes, yes. the harder it is going to do it. Because all the little things I thought that would be nice to have, like the flowers in the backyard, the drapes, whatever, it was just a fleeting thought that just skimmed through my mind. But yet it came to me. Right.
Pjae:I got you. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah, that's a contrast to the, to the, I mean, there are lines of thought that say you should, in fact, create very, very specific visions of what it is you want, you know, and vision boards and, and very specific ones. So, good, interesting contrast there. Well,
Pat:I think that it's, all of that is just a learning process. When you get to that point where you've surrendered and you know. Then you've let go of the desire for a thing. You've gone past the kingdom of thing dom into just accepting that you'll be taken care of.
Pjae:Right. And why don't you just come back to you, because I've always had a difficulty with vision boards as well, because number one, and I'm not claiming that anymore, but I used to claim that I can't, you know, I can't vision well. That's nonsense. But the other thing is, is that the, the, the, whatever I put on the vision board isn't what I'm looking for. It's a representation of prosperity. Oops Hope you guys heard that because I was way away from the microphone What I'm what I'm thinking when I do vision boards is that what I put up there isn't it doesn't have what I want Doesn't have to look like that. It's a representation of what I want So I put gold coins or I put dollar bills Whatever it just means abundance and finances that I can pay my bills and more than that that I can travel that I have Money freedom that I have time freedom. So I'll put a clock on there, which just means to me time freedom So when you look at those things, it doesn't have to show up The way that it looks on your vision board, it just represents what's in your heart and your desire, what you feel like, and you're asking the universe to bring to you.
Pat:Okay. I have something to say about that. Please do. There's nothing wrong with vision boards, and that's your unique expression. Exactly. As a child of God, as a unique expression of God, that's how you use a I use it. But if you're just learning about prosperity, then by all means have that vision board. It's just, one of the first things I learned back in the day when I was just becoming involved was how to get a parking space. Oh, I remember that. Yes. And there's nothing wrong with that. No. It's training. Yes. All of this is going, Earth School. You're going through the motions, and then What did you call it? Earth School? Huh. I love it. So you're going through the motions, and you get to the class that tells you about vision boards, then by golly, do the vision board. Right. And then at some point, it'll be such a part of your consciousness, you won't need that physical thing that you can see and touch.
Pjae:Correct. Correct, because you know it's coming just because it's in your mind. Yeah, it's all part of the learning process. I love it That's exactly what this is about. Just talking about it. And how do we build it and grow it? Mm hmm. Yeah
Jim:That could be a good place to stop. I think it might be. Okay. I think so. All right We'll stop there for this beautiful. We'll see you next. Thank you so much for being here. Yes