People at the Core
People at the Core
Welcome Home, Son: Ken Ho on Being an "ABT" - American Born Taiwanese, Visiting Taipei, and a Lifetime in the Hospitality Industry
Ever wondered what it’s like to navigate the highs and lows of the hospitality industry while finding your true passion? Our special guest, Ken, a neighbor and friend who’s seen it all from acting to bartending, joins us for an episode packed with personal stories and industry insights. We kick things off with some fun banter about the relentless summer heat and the complexities of today's political landscape, before diving into Ken’s fascinating journey. From stoop culture in New York to porch life in California, from his parents immigrant story to reuniting with family during a recent trip to Taiwan, Ken’s anecdotes are as heartwarming as they are inspiring.
Ken opens up about moving to a new city in his 30s and finding his niche behind the camera, culminating in a surprise home gallery that celebrates his work. We also touch on the unconditional love that pets bring, sharing tales of our furry friends that’ll tug at your heartstrings. Growing up near UC Berkeley and working in the family restaurant, Ken’s story paints a vivid picture of community and resilience, offering a deep dive into the intricacies of balancing personal and professional life in the ever-demanding hospitality industry.
If you're curious about the inside scoop on restaurant life, you’ll love our discussion on the love-hate relationship with the industry, the reality of pay disparities, and how to be a good bar guest. We also reminisce about our evolving drinking preferences, laugh over a game of "Fuck, Kill, Be", and share memorable experiences in Taiwan that highlight the joy of family and cultural connections.
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From the Greenpoint Palace Bar in Brooklyn, new York, writers and bartenders Rita and Marissa have intimate conversations with an eclectic mix of people from all walks of life about their passions, paranoia and perspectives. Featured guests could be artists or authors, exterminators or private investigators, or the person sitting next to you at the bar. This is People at the Core.
Speaker 2:Go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, hi, hey, what's up? Not much how you doing, hi Kat.
Speaker 4:We have a special guest today I'm so excited about. I was in a banter before our guest. Oh, you wanted to banter. I just got excited, we just did banter. Yeah, we did banter.
Speaker 3:Preparation.
Speaker 4:I'm tired too, and I'm not high, which is weird.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's banter preparation. I'm tired too and I'm not high, which is weird. Oh, that's probably what I should have gotten high before I came. Can you tell I'm crabby?
Speaker 4:yeah, it's all right, it's also hot as shit out there yeah, it's awful um yeah I suppose we could talk about, since this is going to come out next week, right? Yeah can we talk about? Trump a little all, or let's not?
Speaker 3:Okay, so okay, two parts. There's the two factions of was this a hoax? Was this a setup?
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That on his team to make him, you know, the hero, the victim. Also, I saw a post something about like the kid was fucking 20.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's sad, and they killed him, and they killed him, yeah, and then they mentioned Republican.
Speaker 3:He wouldn't have even voted in anything, right? And then he didn't vote in anything. We're at year four, so he hadn't a presidential election vote.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right, so he hadn't voted the first time and then he gave a presidential election vote Democrat.
Speaker 3:Fact like it's getting gross and dirty it's fucking wild man what the fuck you?
Speaker 4:yeah, I don't know. That's why I didn't want to get too into it, because I my mind is just too sober to deal with it.
Speaker 3:I can't yeah, I can't, it's too much, it's a conspiracy theory. I'm like it could all be conspiracy theory. I'm like, true, yeah, I be all conspiracy theory. I'm like true, yeah I know unfortunately, that's the world we're living in, where the most insane fucking q? Anon and pizza gate and all these weird things like not that those are true, but I don't know how they're even getting traction oh yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4:I mean, it's just wild, I mean, and biden is such a garbage person too, so it's like we can't. We can't win here, I know what the fuck so I feel quite hopeless well, I shouldn't have brought it up. That was bad, that was a dummy downer moment. Yeah, I know, I'm sorry that was stupid of me. All right, so let's talk about our guest, okay, yeah, like I'm so excited.
Speaker 3:Okay, so y'all have heard me talk about him and name drop who ken, who is my husband?
Speaker 4:yes uh, so we finally well, he's my next door neighbor and your neighbor and your friend and my friend um your former employee too. I guess, yeah, all former employees, yeah, together on the boat. I don't think we ever had a shift together, but we worked together. We were payroll. This is true. That was 10 years ago. Was that 10 years ago? It was not a while.
Speaker 3:So, yes, back in the day, back in the day, but he's been here with me for the last 13 years, uh, and pretty much the whole time working in the hospitality world, so we're going to talk a little bit about that, um, fun fact, before covid. I also want to talk about it a little bit. Uh, before covid he was uh dabbling into some acting oh yeah, I forgot about that I've seen videos of that. I know I've shared screenshots, so please welcome ken hi ken, hi hi ken. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 4:We're happy to have you. This is like. This is just like I feel like we're just stooping it now with microphones.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 4:We should have just done that. Huh yeah, I know we could have right, there's a lot of background. It's hot, though. Yeah, it's too hot yeah.
Speaker 3:We had a good stoop session. 4th of July.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we did.
Speaker 3:Before the fireworks and the neighbors started going.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, and then we had to bring the dogs and protect our puppies. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's very new york, that's. I love the stoop. Yeah, me too. We don't have stoops in california. We have porches or apartment buildings.
Speaker 3:I guess, did you have a porch growing up? No, I did not have a porch growing up so you wait, you were born in oakland, but didn't grow up in oakland.
Speaker 5:You were, I mean, next next to oakland, like berkeley, albany, it's like the neighboring city okay. So we definitely went to oakland and chinatown a lot. Um, yeah, stoops in new york, that's a new york thing. Yeah, with neighbors. The only thing I don't like is mosquitoes. Oh, me too, yeah I'm from.
Speaker 4:Oh, then you can't ever go to minnesota, because that's the land of mosquitoes like they call it.
Speaker 5:That's like the state like the state lakes yeah, exactly all the lakes. Yeah, I think probably walk around with some deet. Yeah, exactly, just spray myself. I need the real shit too. You can't do the fake stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can't have the fake shit. No, you're totally right. Yeah, we've done all the citronella and the no. No, but that means I don't give a bit, because they all go to him. That's terrible, ken, he's too sweet, okay, so I know this, but I would like you to talk about. So you were born in the Bay, but your parents are originally from Taiwan.
Speaker 5:Yes from Taiwan.
Speaker 3:And you were like the first kid born stateside right.
Speaker 5:Yes, the first American born.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow.
Speaker 5:I didn't know that we also learned ABT. American born Taiwanese. Oh Because.
Speaker 4:I didn't know that we also learned.
Speaker 5:ABT American born Taiwanese.
Speaker 4:Oh, growing up it was ABC Chinese right.
Speaker 5:Because they just lumped everybody together. Yeah, of course, of course, right, they don't care. Yeah, um, yeah, first born here, my sisters, half sisters and full sister were born in Taiwan, gotcha. And then me and my brothers were born here.
Speaker 4:Oh.
Speaker 5:I didn't know that. No, that's awesome.
Speaker 4:I love that. And then, when did you guys decide to come here?
Speaker 5:We came here in 2011 when Marissa got into grad school Gotcha, so it was between here and Austin Texas.
Speaker 4:Me too, really, yeah, I swear to God. Yeah, we've talked about this. I was leaving, I was in school in Portland, maine, and my best friend and I were driving through Buffalo slash, niagara Falls, and I was like I'm either moving to Austin, texas, or Brooklyn. And I had a dream that I would move to Brooklyn, and so I just moved to Brooklyn. And I had a dream that I'd move to Brooklyn, and so I just moved to Brooklyn, and that was right around.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4:I think they both would have been great.
Speaker 5:Austin definitely a lot hotter, yeah, but we visited Austin on a road trip and it seemed like a great city too.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Maybe a little small now that you've been in New York for 10 years.
Speaker 4:Exactly Me too, maybe a little small now that you've been in New York for 10 years, but exactly me too. You know, what's funny is I um I long distance dated a guy that in Austin so I'd go and visit and I would always go during South by Southwest and it was crazy and super fun and exciting and then when I went on the off time, I was like, oh, this is really small, like it's a really small city.
Speaker 4:It just in the sense of like. Compared to New York. It's like a it's based around, like it's a really small city, just in the sense of like, compared to New York.
Speaker 5:It's like a. It's based around a lot of it's based around the college right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:It's like a college town.
Speaker 3:The question you know. So it was between UT and NY. Well, a couple schools here in New York and when I visited Austin, I loved it, I thought it smelled like tortillas. And Austin, I loved it, I thought it smelled like tortillas. And everybody spoke Spanglish. I was like, oh, my family. But it was March and it was 90 degrees and about 90% humidity and I was making the decision not just for myself but my partner, ken, and I was like he will die.
Speaker 3:This Bay Area boy will not be doing this in March, Imagine August oh.
Speaker 4:August yeah.
Speaker 3:So weather had a factor, but also I thought that New York would have more opportunities.
Speaker 5:I mean, I think that if you're ever going to live in New York City, then that was going to be the time. Yeah, oh, totally, because Marissa got she's a smart little cookie and got a full ride. Yeah, so someone's going to pay for your schooling to live in New York. And I was like, okay, yeah, that's great, let's go do it now.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, that's great. So how old were you guys when you moved here?
Speaker 3:Oh, I don't know, Fuck 30-something yeah, me too where are we third? Yeah, baby.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know, I know we're old guys counting yeah, no, but I mean me too same, because I think about, like how awesome it would we've talked about this before like how awesome it would have been to be here in your 20s. I also probably think I would be dead. You know what I mean. Uh, so 30s?
Speaker 5:is probably the right age. You're 29. I was 29. Cute ken's younger. You're 29? She's younger, I was 29. Cute Ken's younger, yeah.
Speaker 3:By a year he had my 30th in San Francisco, so that's how I knew I was at least 30.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my 30th was here. Oh gotcha.
Speaker 3:Right, I threw that really cool party for you. He got into photography and so he started. Well, we'll talk about hospitality stuff, because that's kind of the thread line through all of this. But arriving here, we were trying to make friends and figure things out and have an enriching life and get to know the city. And Ken started taking photography classes and he has a really good eye and he's never been supported, I think, told that he's artistic, but he is. He's really fucking talented. We've got a painting of his hanging in our living room. I've never been supported, I think, told that he's artistic, but he is Aw.
Speaker 2:Ken, he's really fucking talented.
Speaker 3:We've got a painting of his hanging in our living room.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I love that painting. It's fucking sick. Yeah, it's sick.
Speaker 5:Asian parents, doctor or lawyer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I know, I understand Totally A creative of liberal arts. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But he was taking amazing photographs, and going all over the city was an excuse for him to just wander and investigate, and he had some beautiful shots, so I had them printed and I mounted them on foam core and I had a gallery opening at our apartment for him.
Speaker 5:Oh, I love that this was yeah.
Speaker 4:That's adorable. That was your 30th birthday.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I came home from work and walked in and it was like a gallery at home wow, marissa, that's awesome it's one of the coolest things I've done, honestly, that's really great.
Speaker 4:That's like a beautiful yeah, what a beautiful party and beautiful like way to present someone who's so special. Yeah you know, thank you, you are ken, you're really awesome thank you like we're really excited to have you here and just have you in our lives.
Speaker 5:You know it was that, and then also walking home Like the first time you get a dog. Oh, yeah, when you come home, those feelings.
Speaker 4:That was a feeling. Oh, that's a great feeling.
Speaker 2:By.
Speaker 4:Drakey yeah, yeah, that is a great feeling.
Speaker 5:Because growing up, Drake was my first dog. Oh really, yeah, so I've never had a dog.
Speaker 4:Yeah, really. Oh, I mean, well, we had dogs growing up with my family, but first, like real, you know, mine one else's to take care of and it is like that feeling is like no other when you come home and they're ah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That was, that was this one cries.
Speaker 5:Yeah, zelda's here, with us um.
Speaker 4:She's a little more like she's laying on my foot. Oh she is. She loves her daddy emotive, she's definitely a dad.
Speaker 2:Oh, she loves her mommy, too, she loves both of you, but she's definitely a daddy girl, yeah, obsessed with him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I like the head licking in the morning, like you know curls.
Speaker 3:She'll crawl up on the pillow and spoon his head and lick his, his bald shaved head. It's I can't compete. This is true, this is true, this is true oh okay, so backtrack a little bit, um in california with your parents. You they kind of had the american dream thing going on and had a restaurant, right, yeah, and that was technically your first job. You were, I mean, underage or whatever. Yeah, middle school.
Speaker 4:Were you in middle school when you were working at the restaurant.
Speaker 5:Working the counter yeah. I mean, it was one of those like sort of it was right by the Berkeley College Okay, two blocks away, and so we got a lot of college funds. Uc Berkeley, yeah, yeah, yeah, uc, and so we got a lot of college funds.
Speaker 5:Uc Berkeley yeah, yeah, yeah, uc Berkeley. It was like two blocks away on Shattuck, bancroft Okay, bancroft, and it was like in the food court sort of, and it's like your Chinese spots out here where you go, and it's like at the Broccoli Beef or Sweet and Sour. Yeah, and working on the counter. So, yeah, started working this hour. Yeah, and working on the counter. So, yeah, started working at a very young age. Yeah, in the service industry. Do my homework there during slower times, textbooks back there that's like the movie right yeah, you know what movie?
Speaker 3:no, I'm just saying like the movie of, like your parents, immigrant family yeah, oh, totally restaurant work in the restaurant working, yeah, but I love that it's so great.
Speaker 5:Evan was. He's 12 years younger than me and I remember when he was a baby behind this the counter, like the register area, there was a crib and he was in the crib in the restaurant, in the restaurant, I can't.
Speaker 4:12 years, that's a huge gap. Yeah, what?
Speaker 5:In the restaurant 12 years.
Speaker 4:That's a huge gap. What's?
Speaker 5:up with that, you know. It happens, it might have been a good streak at the restaurant One late night.
Speaker 4:I love that.
Speaker 3:Customers left early.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Uh-huh.
Speaker 5:Yeah, so.
Speaker 3:How long did they have that?
Speaker 5:I don't remember Five years, seven years, I can't remember. I think they sold it. Oh, they did, yeah, so they sold it. Um, yeah, I don't remember how long it was. But yeah, it's hard. I mean even for them. I was like it's a lot of work, yeah it is.
Speaker 4:I mean, we all know that you, we've all been business owners here. Yeah, at the table and, like you know it, people are like oh, it's so cool, you own your own bar, you own your own restaurant, but it's a lot of fucking work, man it's all I mean. It's worth it but it's a lot of drama, a lot of work, not a lot of payback, you know, not all the time anyway, always putting out fires that have nothing to do with the passion of why you're doing it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and like the thing that sustains you is your love of the food, your love of service, your love of creating an environment in which people are like you created a world and you've invited everyone in it, and when it all works out and everyone's happy and they're excited and like you see smiles on their faces or you get warm stories like that, that's what sustains you. But fuck.
Speaker 5:I mean, I think the thing that makes it great is that you never know who you're gonna meet yes agreed, you know. And then relationships you to build, the regulars you're going to build yeah, like that part's fun, also like hearing conversations you would never be privy to. Yeah, totally, fly on the wall, fly on the wall, yeah.
Speaker 3:What do you call it? Ear hustling, ear, hustling, ear hustling.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's good. So your ear perks up a little bit Ear hustling oh, that's good so your ear perks up a little bit, yeah, and you're just like eavesdropping, but you can't help yeah.
Speaker 3:When we're together and we'll be out somewhere and he looks at me and he's like you're hustling, because I'll just stop, be quiet and stare straight ahead and I'm like trying to focus on the couple to the right of me by two feet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because she always leans a yeah, you gotta be a little slick oh god I have zero game, yeah but I mean, you are right, though I never even thought about it that way, like the idea of hearing other people's conversations, but like my first job was at this bar beloved, which is where I met, you too, and as a bar back there and just like so many tinder dates at this bar and just eavesdropping on their conversations was insane.
Speaker 4:You know I would just stand there and pretend to like wash dishes and be like what is this guy going to say to this woman to try and fuck her? And is it going to work? And it really didn't.
Speaker 5:A lot of the time, you know, I mean I remember, like you know, I worked in like fancier restaurants and I would hear kids talking about like stocks and exchanges and like wow, and I was like your children and I was like wait these are the conversations you're having with your parents. Yeah, like returns. I was like, oh, we grew up in very different worlds.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, oh for sure.
Speaker 5:You're talking about the market and things like that, and like I don't even know the fucking market is man. Yeah, it's like. This is why, like the, the difference is in terms of like growing up as an immigrant child, where my parents are like trying to figure out the country, versus people who have, who are running the country? Yeah, yeah, right a lot of banker bros. Yeah, oh god. Well, the boat that we worked at, it was all banker bros.
Speaker 4:I mean, they would all wear like matching outfits and you could always tell who the boss was, because the boss would be in um, in the middle of the circle. They'd all be wearing blue shirts and khakis and different shoes, and then all the shoes tried to look like the boss and they circled around the boss and they were just trying to replicate him. I don't know if you remember this, but it was crazy, I mean it's a virus that replicates itself.
Speaker 3:I mean, I have pictures.
Speaker 4:We should put it online because I have a picture of it and it is bizarre. It's just hundreds of men wearing the exact same outfit on this boat that Ken and I worked at, and it was just insane.
Speaker 3:I mean that ken and I worked at yeah, and it was just insane. I mean I think that's bi-coastal. We did it. We went to a game in in the bay. We were back visiting family we went to a warriors game and his, his cousin, like works doing stuff with the, with the warriors or something any, or with the stadium. We got good tickets. We got like access to like the cool room and all these things and in the lounge I was like ken, is this a joke?
Speaker 3:it was like a black mirror thing. I looked up and everybody's in a patagonia vest, like tech vest. They're all like shades of blue. Yeah, maybe they're all wearing like checkered or striped blue, white, pale, like cream, all these combinations, but I'm like 20 of them yeah and they all had salesforce lanyards on. I was like you're not working right you don't get access to anything with that salesforce lanyard you actually need, like qatar lounge or whatever the fucking thing is.
Speaker 4:But it was fucking creepy yeah it is creepy, yeah it's wild and they run the world.
Speaker 5:Man, I feel like they, they wear it as like a, like a calling card. Yeah, it's like people like oh you work at salesforce and you know right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're totally right, because then later we are out to dinner and you see women in black cocktail dresses who still have their salesforce lanyard on. I was like, hey, um. So I guess two questions of that. Like how has you arnold? Yeah, like in new york, you've been in the hospitality world your whole life and you've been from with a crib and your parents to some of the highest end restaurants here in New York. How do you think your experience as a kid influenced your experience now or how you approach the world, I guess, of hospitality or your job? I have owned a restaurant with you and I know that you are very good with people and employees. You are very good with people and employees and you treat everyone as a person and as a valuable part of the system. Um, but I don't think that that's necessarily true with some of these more yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5:It's a very like love hate relationship with service industry and restaurants. Yeah, um same, I feel like you when it's good, it's good, when it's not good, it's not good. But I don't know, or I wonder sometimes, like what I would have done if it wasn't restaurants. Yeah, right, me too like being in it for so long, it's like it's hard to picture now.
Speaker 3:Yeah like if you were born a privileged white kid. Like yeah, well, maybe though you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Like I love us if we were born or just you know or you did different things growing up.
Speaker 5:I don't know whether it's sports or clubs or, like your parents said, you're an amazing painter, let's send you to art school. Yeah, I don't know uh, I mean I was talking with my other friend and I joked with him that restaurants is like a trap.
Speaker 5:Yeah, because it's got a very high floor but a very low ceiling yes, I totally agree, you can make a lot of money when you're working at a good spot, but the ceiling is also very low. Yeah, like you're stuck, like I'm probably making this same amount I was 15 years ago yeah, oh same.
Speaker 4:I mean, I agree with you completely everything costs more, and you're working more.
Speaker 5:Yeah, to get like to climb that ladder unless you I don't know become a celebrity.
Speaker 4:It's almost a weird situation too, where it's that ladder. When you climb that ladder, you make less money. Yeah, you know what I mean. Like, once you get into, like you get to be in charge of everything, but you, the bartender, is making way more money than you are as a manager. I mean, I learned that the hard way. I mean we all have right when you're like, wait a minute, why is the fucking shucker, the oyster shucker, making more money than I do? And I work 16 hours a day, yeah, seven days a week. You know like it's crazy when we start.
Speaker 3:We met at a restaurant and I broke my rule about dipping in the company pool, but we started out as friends. We started going to the gym after work and hanging out and I was doing cocktail service and he was technically my supervisor at the time. Yeah, okay, anywho, he didn't help with the scheduling, so y'all calm down. So he was like no, I wanna have some bartending chefs and I wanna have things, cause I was working less hours and making way more money.
Speaker 5:I think it was like also, the bartenders look like they're having more fun. Yeah right. And then I was like all right, I want to learn to bartend. And they're like, well, I don't know if we have an opening. I was like, okay, either teach me to bartend or I'm going to find a place. I will. Yeah. And they're like okay, great, you're going to be behind the bar.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. Good for you, though. You are a great bartender too. I mean, you're great at everything. Yeah, unbiased. I've worked with him in every capacity.
Speaker 5:Thank you.
Speaker 3:And he is honest and reliable and he's a problem solver and he doesn't make fuss about shit and he just Great personality too. For the bar. Steady For a bar it is.
Speaker 4:You're always great, I mean, we loved having you, I think yeah, I had some good mentors when I was there.
Speaker 5:Yeah, one was like don't talk sports, don't talk politics smart so smart and then it was one of those. No, that was at uh, that was at boulevard yeah, that's. That's good advice though patrick but it was kind of like being thrown into the fire, because we worked at a bar that was, uh, very close to where the giants play the the baseball team, so there was a lot of happy hour and a lot of corporate offices around us so you had the, the, the team, the fans, but then you'd also have middle management.
Speaker 3:It was like Gap Corporate Charles.
Speaker 2:Schwab all the kids coming down in their khaki pants.
Speaker 5:And Salesforce. They would come down happy hour four to six. We had four dollar mojitos.
Speaker 4:Oh my god, that's insane, horrible.
Speaker 5:Horrible, so working the well you would have I I mean, we're talking 20 years ago. Ish right, of course, but it was 20, 30 tickets and you're like okay, I need 15 mojitos yeah, that's wild and 26 margaritas. So you, I learned very quickly how to very fast expedite to yourself or in, like read tickets, yeah, and which is a really hard thing to do.
Speaker 4:I mean, you know what I mean to like it's time management and I'm in a beautiful way. But okay, this is what I've got to do but they had been doing that forever.
Speaker 3:And then ken gets behind the bar for a minute and you know, I'd say a minute, I mean like a couple weeks and then he's like why aren't we batching? This is, why are we making $3 fucking margaritas to order? This is insane. We're getting 25 at a time and it doesn't stop for hours. Like let's expedite some of these pre-mix, or like doing all of this and like.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's where he started batching. Ken is the king of efficiency.
Speaker 3:I love it. It's so hot. Mint syrups and things like that. Yeah, that's where you started batching. Yeah, smart Ken is the king of efficiency. I love it, it's so hot. Mint syrups and things like that, yeah, yeah totally Smart.
Speaker 4:This is making me think that we should pre-batch margaritas here for the summer, Technically.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it's super illegal. We do Well we pre-batch our Negronis.
Speaker 3:You can do yeah, I feel like there's well.
Speaker 4:It's just harder with citrus because citrus goes bad.
Speaker 5:But if you get pasteurized stuff it can actually last a little bit longer. We didn't batch the alcohol with it.
Speaker 4:Oh, you didn't, it was just the mix.
Speaker 3:It was just the mix Got you All of the non-alcoholic things, Because in California it was kind of strict about you couldn't have the alcohol with whatever we basically made mint simple syrup so that we didn't have to muddle yeah, got yeah essentially we skipped the muddling yeah, that makes sense for the mojito. It was like more kind, of more for appearance yeah, right, um, another one was cranberry anyway, but like parts just steps to like.
Speaker 4:That's how his brain works mango mojito oh my god, mojito, oh my god, it was a mojito bar.
Speaker 5:Huh, but you, I mean, I learned to bartend very fast. Yeah, that's the way to do it. Um, and then afterwards is when I started to learn more classic cocktail stuff yeah so speed? First, because I remember when I started my second job, which is like fine dining, and I walked in I was like where's the lime syrup, or like lime sours, what we call it, which is basically lime juice mixed with simple syrup. Right, and they're like no, we do everything fresh. And I was like oh, okay, right so we would squeeze juice to order?
Speaker 5:yeah, and it just took a lot longer. But you learn um, I guess, like the craft cocktail sort of yeah yeah, which is great.
Speaker 4:I mean that's beautiful. I love that. I learned I got a kind of crash course, same way, where it's like beloved was very, as we know, like high-end cocktails, right. So I was learning from the best of the best. I felt like there, and then the boat was just all speed and I was barbacking, so you know what I mean. So I was just watching, trying to pay attention and see you know what worked and what doesn't, yeah, but it's definitely a crash course.
Speaker 5:You either survive or you don't yeah yeah, if you drown, you drown yeah, like everybody's mad 18, 19 in mexico and we'd have high season.
Speaker 3:It's so packed that I would be delivering beer and I would pack my hands full so I could fit five in each hand, like now. I don't think I could do it. Also carpal tunnel, but I would have them above my head and I would squeeze through the crowd. I would have my ass and stuff, but it's sweaty, but I would just have to work my way through, because the more money, the more you sold, the more you made it was like you were fighting against other people for the selling and keeping your people happy, so they would just get shit faced.
Speaker 3:Um, so it was a mass of humans. And then when we do the party, it's like, oh, we filled two liters with a bunch of mixed alcohol and I would go around and squirt it in people's mouths this is how they 19 so I went from that to you know, I'm making my own cardamom syrups and clarified this and shit, you're thinking about these bars.
Speaker 5:I mean, you also learn efficiency where, where you're two, three deep. If you point at somebody and like for an order and they say, um, you're like next, yeah, oh well, that's what I wanted to bring up.
Speaker 4:There's like art, you know, like the the do's and don'ts, like bar and restaurant etiquette, right, but of course, like that is the number one thing, like I experienced that so hard yesterday, there's so many. I kept thinking about the two of you and what we're going to talk about today because of that, because, like yeah, um, what can I get you? What can I get you? Um, um, okay, next, now you're a timeout, I'm not going to come back for another 10 minutes.
Speaker 3:Like it's true, though I put people in timeouts all the time and I see people you have been waiting in line. You just didn't walk up from the bathroom. You stand. You've been standing here for a good five minutes. You didn't make a decision. When you're like, oh, I'm gonna have it ready when, when I get up there, or when she looks at me, no, oh, and those are usually the people that are like waving and snapping, too.
Speaker 4:waving and snapping, what do you have on?
Speaker 3:tap. It's on the menu right in front of you darling, yeah, and now you're in a timeout. I'm going to give you some time to look that over.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm like here's the menu. I'll be back.
Speaker 4:Yeah, same, exactly, you just have to.
Speaker 3:People I cannot stress you want, when you make eye contact with the bar and don't turn around and ask your friend, do you have a napkin? Uh-huh, oh. And then you blow your nose in front of me. Oh wow, flipping bathroom are you serious?
Speaker 4:you waited to ask for a nap.
Speaker 3:I haven't had that one happen yet to blow your nose in front of me this sounds personal, doesn't it?
Speaker 4:this has happened in multiple places. Really, I've never had that happen.
Speaker 3:It's not just one person. It is a type of person that's very true apparently doesn't have like, yeah, it blows my mind.
Speaker 4:Mine is like the person like okay, the snapper, the waver and the snapper. And then when you get there and they're like what can I get you say what can I get you? And they turn around their front. They're like what do you guys want? Like that shit. No, I will, I'm done. No, you are on a 10 minute time out. I will walk, like I will remember your face and and and not serve you for 10 minutes just to prove the point, shout out okay woman comes.
Speaker 3:okay, I'm sorry, I don't know if this is annoying. Okay, great, good, good, good. Preface there's a group of us. I gathered a list. She hands me. She's like is it okay? On her phone she grouped the order of the drinks. Fantastic Three gin and tonics. Two of these. I'm like you are amazing. There are unicorns out there. Yeah, there are unicorns out there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there are unicorns out there.
Speaker 3:I was like you must be a project manager or something, because this is beautiful. Is this okay? No, this is perfect. Will you tell everybody else that you know this is how they should do it?
Speaker 4:Yeah. You came in with a group of 15.
Speaker 3:Love it. Thank you, you don't all have to stand in front of me. Get a leader. Synthesize your orders, group them by category. Love it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean that's beautiful. I would love that, Because I get a lot of on Saturdays.
Speaker 4:Here I get a lot of like. Can I have seven martinis, six Aperol spritzes and one too dry?
Speaker 3:too dirty, yeah One with vodka.
Speaker 4:And too dirty, yeah, my fuck out one and they're like six people deep and all I want to say is like, read the room one guy did to me and it slipped out of my mouth. I just said are you fucking serious? And I felt bad afterwards but I was like I'll be back in 20 minutes.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean. Like it's you would like a quick beer while you wait it's a beer and shot bar, like that's.
Speaker 4:The other thing I can't stress enough is read the room.
Speaker 3:I know where to order a martini, yeah, and I know where not to, yeah you order martinis on monday with rita when there are four people here and you know everyone yeah, yeah, read the room.
Speaker 5:Look at the back bar like I'm ordering a martini at amber's steakhouse.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean if I'm in this bar like I'm gonna get a beer and chat.
Speaker 3:What a fun experience yeah, oh yeah, that was fun shout out to amber's steakhouse here in greenpoint oh my god, we have to go. It took me with the family when they were visiting last for thanksgiving yeah, I think thanksgiving and it was a beautiful experience. I had no idea. It's like the sleeper fucking oh, it's awesome.
Speaker 5:New york steakhouses yeah, yeah, I love them. I went to one with my buddy, jack, for his birthday, and it was a bunch of us guys, but same thing Started with martinis, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:A whole bunch of stuff. It's so fun and we give white tablecloths, there's a little cheese and there's an OG 1980s sex scene.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they've all been working there for 20 years. Oh, they're super friendly. The guy 20 years? Oh they're super friendly.
Speaker 3:I was like the guy who waited on us could have been my dad.
Speaker 4:Yeah, amber's Steakhouse. It's the best, super friendly, they're so amazing.
Speaker 3:Non-sponsored but.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But if you're a luxurious, no free meals for us.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but I guess what I mean. You know what I mean when I say read the room. I just mean in the sense of like what type of bar am I going to get that I think that people forget. I think or they just don't even realize it. No, yeah, they don't know that's what did I?
Speaker 3:I mean, there's been people throughout decades who've said to be a better person, not just a better boss, to be a better person, everyone should work in hospitality oh, I agree completely a boss in hospitality. Everyone should work every position to be a better boss, but I think yes, just in general, to be a nicer, better person going out in the world and also interacting with others. To spend a week working in the service industry, especially in a tourist focused area yeah or like college which is what you're dealing with right now.
Speaker 4:Right, it's like all tourists and that's the whole gamut.
Speaker 3:It's been really fun to be that person. Like the host was like oh hey, we're visiting from arizona, ohio. I met this woman, kathy fucking firecracker lover. Her granddaughter got into some like dance academy thing. She's here and her sister was like she's got stories. She's like I used to come to new york on the weekends and I love it, so happy. And she comes back and says hi, like she's running errands, and she'll come back and say hi and drop a story, fucking love it. Then you have other people. It's like okay, you have a lot of questions, you don't give anything about what you want, and then you like I don't want to like shit talk, but sometimes it's just frustrating.
Speaker 4:I don't want to shit talk, but dot, dot, dot. Sometimes it's frustrating Of course it is. I just want to give everyone. Oh, what do you have?
Speaker 3:It's right on this menu, right in front of you, oh okay. So what do you have? It's right on this menu, right in front of you, oh okay. So what's your favorite? What's my favorite? What? What do you like? Let's talk, I'll help you narrow it down. You've got to give me something to work with yeah, I mean that's when you just.
Speaker 3:And then others just pour something Like he won't even go through that and I'm like I love the balls that you have. I can't do that, I care too much. But then I'll have other people who's like hey, so I haven't been drinking for like six months and I'd like a beer.
Speaker 4:What the fuck are they telling you that for Grow up and just?
Speaker 3:figure out what you want. And I was like, okay, that was an auto response. Then I was like, are we in a good place?
Speaker 4:Yeah, of course.
Speaker 3:Yes, we're traveling. I would like to have some craft beer. I'm into this. Like I had one, Like just what are you excited about on your list? If you were someone who hasn't had stuff for six months, I was like cool right down to a different. Yeah, I mean listen.
Speaker 4:I love like I love talking and being. I'm a very kind person. You guys know that like I'm very sweet, I'm always very understanding, but then you get me in like a high-volume situation and I'm like figure it the fuck out. You know what I mean. Like I remember, like Beloved. It would be so crazy if people would be like what's your favorite cocktail? And I'd be like two ingredients, one includes ice. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I like warm tequila in a glass. Thank you.
Speaker 5:With an ice cube. That's my favorite. No, I'm going to do ice. I'm going to do ice. The progression of drinking is when you're young, as a teenager or whatever, you just drink whatever the hell you can get your hands on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh Midori. Peach schnapps anything Boone's Farm 151. Yeah, 151.
Speaker 5:Oh.
Speaker 2:Okay so then what happens? Any sort of tall can.
Speaker 5:Yeah, exactly, mad Dog.
Speaker 4:Mad dog.
Speaker 5:Mad dog, the 40s.
Speaker 4:OE.
Speaker 5:OE. The grossest stuff Big Zanite 159 drive-thru at Jamie's Because you're like you're just trying to get drunk.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, oh, Southern Comfort and Mountain Dew Gross A little dewski Whiskey and Mountain.
Speaker 3:Dew the dews, captain Morgan. This is my. Michigan background Captain Morgan and Faygo, rock and Rye.
Speaker 5:It tastes like a lucky charm, marshmallow, I don't know the words there. You don't even know your wife. But then you learn about craft beers and classic cocktails and then you start drinking nicer stuff. And then you're like, oh, I like my ip this. And then at a certain point you're just like I'll just take a bud yeah, I'll just give you my whiskey with nothing in it yeah it's like a bell curve.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you get way too fancy you peek in the fancy and you're like, oh, I'm learning stuff and I'm gonna tell you like I'm over it.
Speaker 5:I have money now, and then you're like I'm tired, just give me a warm tequila, so true though old, older people have it right like they go and they're like I'll take a martini, yeah, or I'll have a bud light yeah totally right, my favorite old white guy.
Speaker 3:Can I have a tito's double with water?
Speaker 4:yeah, love it okay.
Speaker 3:Do you want any fruit? No, like they know, you just want watered down tequila, I mean watered down vodka in a glass. Yeah, sir, that will be 32 dollars. Here you go. Here's a six dollar tip. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4:Yeah, your day yeah, love that guy that guy is my favorite guy. Yeah, but you're totally right, ken, that I mean we've all gone through that. I've seen us go through that, yeah and I was like just give me a bud and a shot.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I'm good. So you're making Vucarades for myself and shit. Yeah right, no too many bottles to pick up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, totally. I'm like making Negronis for my mom, Like that's so fancy. And now. I come home here I'm like. I don't know, just try it have you gotten?
Speaker 3:have you gotten drunk with your parents?
Speaker 5:no, ever no. Dad. I think I've seen my dad drunk once. Okay, his brothers were visiting from Taiwan.
Speaker 3:They were hanging out, oh you did Not with your mom and dad, but with your family in Taiwan.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3:That was one of my favorite nights. Uncle I didn't know anyone's name, well, save for the younger people, his cousin and his sister, like when we would hang out as peers, but uncles and aunts were uncles and aunts right and so uncle with the van took us to this small, took us out to this baller ass fucking lunch. Okay, so I have to preface they don't speak any english. I don't speak speak any Mandarin, so it was a lot of just gestures and like back and forth.
Speaker 3:So it was just Ken and I and aunt and uncle. He picks us up from our hotel at his insistence, says let's go to lunch restaurant where we park, and on the opposite side of the street is the aquarium wait a minute, tanks with this crab it took two arms for me to hold like fully extended like massive, I don't know 30 pounds.
Speaker 3:I don't know, that's fucking insane so they get the crab and they prepare it a bunch of different ways and we eat it at this nondescript place across the street fucking amazing. Then he takes us to a small town, finishes the afternoon by saying I would like to share a drink with you, because I've been driving around the whole time yeah taiwan is very strict drinking and driving laws.
Speaker 3:He hasn't had a drink. He said I would like to take you to my home and share a drink with you. I will call you. I will call my friend's cab to take you to my home and share a drink with you. I will call my friend's cab to take you back. Okay, uncle. So we get there and he pulls down. What was it? A liter of Johnny Walker Blue.
Speaker 4:Yes, from the shrine.
Speaker 3:They're very religious. His auntie teaches religious spiritual classes, buddhist-ish stuff, so someone had gifted this to him and he pulls it from the shrine that was covered in dust and he says you will finish this like I'd been sitting up there probably for like 10 years, yeah totally yeah did you guys drink?
Speaker 3:it we fucking finished yeah, I mean more people came, yeah, of course we definitely did our part, because then we ate leftovers from lunch and he brought out new snacks and then more people came and somehow I had a full, rich conversation with people who don't speak english.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I love that. That's over. Johnny walker, blue man, I got some great have a great story.
Speaker 2:I'll tell some other time, but yeah, um yeah, that's a good experience.
Speaker 5:Yeah, eight hours of eating.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, I love that, though, and I love that you got to do that with a family.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's exciting it felt yeah, I felt really a part of yeah so we want to go back yeah, you guys are going to go back soon, right?
Speaker 5:well, hopefully yeah, yeah, it was a great, great experience like going back older and experiencing Taiwan yeah. I bet being able to navigate the city and the country like we saw a lot of the island yeah, I bet you kind of got. And the country we saw a lot of the island yeah, I bet I feel like.
Speaker 3:you kind of got to tap into your parts that have been dormant. When you're home with your family, you are the Taiwanese kid, but out in the world you're just Ken and they're like what are you? Are you Japanese, are you Chinese? And you navigate that crap.
Speaker 5:But you got to be Taiwanese for a couple weeks there was a lot of welcome home kind of thing from just people.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, that's beautiful when we're just going around.
Speaker 5:They're like why do you speak Mandarin?
Speaker 3:Or understand Taiwanese. They're like we recognize your face Right right. Where are you from?
Speaker 5:And I was like oh, the woman on the plane says I know your face. She's like what, how are you? Yeah, so there was a lot of cool that we got treated very well. Yeah, that's great. Whether it's bars or street food stands, yeah, like this one old guy just gave us our food for free. He's like welcome back to the homeland oh, I love that.
Speaker 4:That's beautiful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, opposed to like, I think, some other, like children returning to the countries of their parents yeah they're viewed as outsiders or it's less welcoming, or it's like a traitorship, like your family left or things like that and or like there's this weird. You were not the same kind of thing, right, really like even not understanding the language. I could see that people were just like genuinely excited excited, yeah, and excited to show me like people were, so they're like oh, this is your first lunar new year yeah oh, let me, I got gifts.
Speaker 3:I got gifts because it was my first time there for New. Year Like normally reserved for children. I'm 43 and I'm getting gifts from like all of his family, like even people he didn't even know he was related to.
Speaker 4:That's cute. I love that.
Speaker 3:It was so beautiful.
Speaker 4:So it was good. Yeah, that's a fun experience.
Speaker 3:So yeah, a little inspo to return and keep it part of our regular regime Because we often you know we've been the last number of years we've been going to Mexico, probably once a year.
Speaker 4:Right, so now it's like now you're just adding another trip. Another 17-hour, very yeah. Yeah that's brutal you guys ready for questions. It's time, let's do it, let's do it. I think we have time for maybe two questions and a fuck be kill. And then we got to do soccer. Today, guys, it's a big soccer day. Yeah, I don't know anything about soccer. Yeah, me neither.
Speaker 3:but I know it's going to be busy. Oh, I don't think this is appropriate.
Speaker 4:Okay, why?
Speaker 3:not, because it's about family and then people listen okay this is rigging the question system okay. I do feel that, given yes, okay, in what areas are you happy to be good enough?
Speaker 4:what does that mean?
Speaker 3:I would say I think we all have goals and passions, that we want to be the best at something, or to accelerate at something, or feel that we've reached our zenith. But if you're like, okay, being like this is as good as I'm ever going to be at this, that's cool.
Speaker 4:I've never felt that.
Speaker 3:That it's okay to be good enough at something.
Speaker 4:I always feel like I could be better, but I'm very hard on myself.
Speaker 3:Right, which is why it's a hard question to say like, what is the one thing you're like? I'm okay, like not being the best, like.
Speaker 5:I've Wow, it's very broad.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that is like I don't like that question I would just say something for me, like riding a bike. I can do what I need to do. I can go places. There are things that I do not feel that I have a skill set. Comfortable enough to navigate tiny little spaces gives me anxiety, that's fine. I live my life being able to ride the bike. That's fine. I like drawing. Will I ever draw something that I think should be, uh, value? Okay, do I enjoy the process? I say yeah it's something I enjoy right, I'm not going to be the best.
Speaker 4:That's how I'm interpreting it gotcha like like, what are you like content with not being the best at just being you at? Yeah, I'm really good at watching tv. I mean I can like crush shows. What are you okay? You're great at that yeah, that's true, I'm great at that very true? Uh, I don't know. I that's, I don't know. I don't know that question next.
Speaker 3:Not feels. Next.
Speaker 4:What is the? What's her name? The cute little singer that everyone loves. Thank you next song. Thank you next? What's her name?
Speaker 3:Ariana Grande yeah, there you go. Who I feel is going to have neck pain from her heavy ponytail yeah, hopefully tiny person, I know, that's true, I agree down. I hope she has a lot.
Speaker 4:I hope she probably takes it down at night not clear, but that's still like.
Speaker 3:As an anthropologist, like I've studied forensic anthropology it is probably actually changing the structure of her bones and muscles by having to sustain it Anyway.
Speaker 5:Okay, ken.
Speaker 4:I haven't had hair for 15 years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly Okay.
Speaker 3:But you dropped about 20 miles that hair.
Speaker 5:What's that have to do with?
Speaker 4:I'm just saying I'm like wait a minute, what's happening? I think you lost. I mean, I don't know. You have a nice shaped head. You do have a nice shaped head, ken, thank you these, I don't know.
Speaker 5:These are kind of weird ones, okay, so tarot cards aren't working for me today it's probably my energy over do you feel happier, spending or saving?
Speaker 3:I already feel happier spending you're saving, yeah weirdos me oh my god, well, weirdos you know that I'm accumulating for a bigger goal oh, I'm the opposite but, eventually you're spending yeah, yeah, but it's the saving part touche, I think we've all like had at least ken and I especially like parts where we've not had money and when I feel that I am able to do a special something or I've set a goal, I make you do this all the time like we're saving so that we can have these special experiences, rather than just cavalier like right, but are you happier saving that or are you happier when you're in paris spending it? Okay, I'm happier in paris spending it not just like getting drunk around town. Okay, oh see, I'm ken all the way.
Speaker 4:Money to me is like fire. I'm like get it off me. Get it off me, I hate it.
Speaker 3:I'm like get away marisa, a fart lasts longer in your hand than a dollar.
Speaker 5:Ugh.
Speaker 3:So that that was instilled in me very young. My family like they had a shoebox full of money, like in their closet.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:They were never stingy, very, very never. They spent their money on experiences and people rather than things yeah, right so I've never been a thing person?
Speaker 4:yeah, yeah, I definitely am experience.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes sense that makes me feel good um able to do that for others, or yeah right.
Speaker 4:Uh, I remember watching this tom waits interview. I think it was with, like diane sawyer or someone I don't know, but she was interviewing him in his apartment. Tom went tom, tom, fucking Waits. I mean, I don't know if you know a lot about Tom Waits, but he's like one of my heroes. Um, but they are like what do you do with all your money? You've, you've been very successful in your career, you know? And he's like ah, this is in shoe's, actually in shoebox under my bed, and he goes under the bed and there's just all this money in shoeboxes. And I was like so I guess he's a saver, I don't know for what, but isn't that amazing.
Speaker 5:That's great.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:All right. Well, ken, I mean, do you have something to add? No, I mean, I talked over you.
Speaker 5:No, technically, no, I think we've established who saves and who spends.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but it's great that you have a partner that helps you save. You know, like you guys have a very healthy, good partnership where one of you you know you are opposites Like I don't have that, wilbur wants to spend too.
Speaker 3:You know, what I mean.
Speaker 4:He's so expensive.
Speaker 3:No, Ken's a hard worker. So that's a no, that we're never going to starve.
Speaker 4:We're never going to be homeless.
Speaker 3:Like both of us have the same work ethic. Ken's patience level is greater than mine is, but we have a similar work ethic.
Speaker 4:If there's any single savers out there, I'm single if you like bulldogs savers out there. I'm single, if you like bulldogs, that's my first time I've ever put out a SOS for being single on here on the podcast.
Speaker 3:Looking for a saver. I'm looking for a saver. Do we do one that is a bigger question, or do we move?
Speaker 4:I think we have to go to Fuck, be Kill. Actually we did good this time. Flew by you guys, it was fun.
Speaker 3:Ken was all anxious.
Speaker 4:Ken's doing great. Ken, we love you. Thanks, you're the best. Okay, so here's what I came up with. It's a continuation of last week because I don't remember last week's, but I think I brought up that I wanted to. It was the Jenny, it was the Jenny. So we're still in our 80s, okay, but now we're going to be in 80s pop. I'm not going to know a lot of these people Ken.
Speaker 3:yeah, we might have to. Oh, I might have to trade Ken grew up ABT but he hung out with kids who were into gangster rap and stuff. So he learned about Led Zeppelin later in life.
Speaker 4:Okay, what if I change it up I was going to do. Okay, here's what I was going to do. I was going to do Paula Abdul, debbie Gibson and Tiffany but you probably don't know who those are right.
Speaker 5:Only Paula Abdul Okay.
Speaker 4:So what if I switch it up to? They're not going to be women. Let's do bands.
Speaker 5:We haven't done any bands yeah, you gotta fuck the whole band or be the whole band. Am I gonna know these bands? Do you know metallica? Only in I. I could not pick them out of a lineup oh no, ken, this isn't fun, okay, ken.
Speaker 4:What do you know? Who do you know? What do you like?
Speaker 3:and then I'll pick something 40 um I don't know.
Speaker 5:See you're making my job hard here, there's a lot of hip-hop and R&B growing up.
Speaker 3:What about movie stars?
Speaker 4:Okay, Okay, we could do. Sexy movie stars All right, I'm doing sexy movie stars, here we go. Nicole Kidman Do you know who that is? I do know who that is.
Speaker 5:Anne.
Speaker 4:Hathaway. Do you know who that is? I Do you know who that is?
Speaker 5:I know who that is, and Tell me the third.
Speaker 4:No, I'm waiting for you because I'm getting so opinionated. I know Naomi Watts. You know who that is. Oh, yes, okay, naomi Watts and Nicole. Kidman are like best friends.
Speaker 3:So if you fuck one of them, you're going to break up their friendship. She's the Brit and she's the Australian. No, they're both australian. No, she's brit. You know me. What isn't she brit?
Speaker 4:no, she's australia. You're gonna google. She's gonna google this. You want to put some money on it?
Speaker 3:I'm a betting woman, definitely australian I thought, but then british actress boom no no born in australia on and shore him, uk, oh my god, you win all the money all right, you married billy crudrow yeah, creta. Yeah, I know I'm not cute I don't love skinny white men, but he's got. He's got zhuzh, he's got something he's cute.
Speaker 5:All right, let's go back to what we're doing, though okay all right, I feel like this is a hard game for me, because I don't know enough about the people like I know them, but I don't know enough to the people Like I know them, but I don't know enough to.
Speaker 4:You can just go off your gut. Just go off your gut. Okay, I'll do mine really quick.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:Kill Anne Hathaway, fuck Nicole Kidman, be Naomi Watts. Was that yours.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to repeat that.
Speaker 5:Well, I can't repeat that, That'll be boring.
Speaker 2:You that that'll be boring. Uh, you're not boring ken I think you're great.
Speaker 5:Well, I was just thinking would you guys be your be naomi watts? Yeah, I'd be, because she lives in new york she's living her best life.
Speaker 4:I can't believe she's british. I totally thought she was australian.
Speaker 3:I'm looking up her face when we were talking about oh it was when I was looking up that movie that they did together and I was like oh shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because they're like best friends. I think, yeah, they're best friends, are they? Yeah? So?
Speaker 5:you have to kill one of them, right yeah? So, you're going to kill Naomi Watts.
Speaker 4:Is that who you want to kill?
Speaker 5:I don't know, I don't be Nicole Kidman. I feel like she's has. I like that she's had another resurrection of her career. Yeah, she sure has Post Tom Cruise In her face.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Love.
Speaker 4:Tom Cruise.
Speaker 2:You know how I feel about Tom Cruise.
Speaker 4:I fucking love Tom Cruise. I think he's amazing. Oh, he's like the best actor. He saved the cinema. He's so. Oh, he is so not. Oh, you're crazy, tom Cruise all the way. Guys, would you rather be him or fuck him? Oh, I have a different. Knowing Tom Cruise, being him is to fuck him.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean? He probably fucks himself. The narcissism is super real. Actually, Ken, I have a curated one for you. That just came to me.
Speaker 4:Okay.
Speaker 3:Salma Hayek.
Speaker 4:Oh.
Speaker 3:Eva Longoria and Sofia Vergara.
Speaker 4:Who's the last one?
Speaker 3:Modern.
Speaker 4:Family, oh, modern Family, oh, that's a good one.
Speaker 3:He likes Latino women. No, no, shut up Okay.
Speaker 5:No me diga. What was it fuck killing b fuck killing b that's a hard one, I think because they're all beautiful maybe you beat eva. I feel like she's doing a lot of cool stuff she is doing yeah, but some was married to a billionaire.
Speaker 4:She also, I feel like she got a lot of plastic surgery.
Speaker 5:She is doing. Yeah, but selma's married to a billionaire. She also, I feel like she got a lot of plastic surgery. She's looking a little creepy is she? I haven't seen her lately maybe I'm thinking somebody is she not.
Speaker 3:Is she not looking, creepy?
Speaker 5:I guess it's been a while.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've seen her all right, so you want to be. Who are you going to be? Eva longoria okay cute, love her desperate housewives all the way I feel like selma is the same.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think I would be okay with all of them yeah, like the greatest dream ever you're not losing either way.
Speaker 5:You can just flip a coin all right.
Speaker 4:Well, on that note, ken crushed it, thanks for being on our show ken thanks for having me love you um all right kids all right, peace out. We're gonna go watch some soccer. You know we don't know soccer now, yeah, exactly all right, euro cup yeah, big one this will be posted after the winner.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly, it's the last one I don't know who I'm cheering for, yet I don't even know who's playing I think, it's spain versus england. I think I could be wrong. I might just made that up. I think you're right. But okay, all right, peace out.
