People at the Core
People at the Core
Are You in True Crime or Sports?: From Skateboarding Videos to Soap Operas to Winning an Emmy, David Herr on the World of Film & TV Editing
Ever wondered how an Emmy-winning editor got his start? Join us for an engaging chat with David Herr, the man behind some of your favorite TV moments. David's charming Midwestern demeanor and knack for corny jokes will have you laughing as he shares anecdotes about his surname which means 'Mister' in German, inspiring Rita and Marisa to bust out in singing "To Be With You" by Mr. Big. We'll set the record straight on whether Styx ever dabbled in Christian rock and reminisce about unforgettable concert antics from the Christian metal band Striper.
Our episode takes you on a nostalgic journey from his suburban upbringing outside of Toledo, Ohio, to the bustling streets of New York City. We'll swap stories about internships, the charm of soap operas like "Guiding Light," and the contrasting lifestyles between NYC and LA. Discover the importance of community spaces like the Palace Bar and how our Midwest roots influence our sense of belonging in diverse environments. With humor and heartfelt moments, this part of our conversation celebrates Midwest pride and the adventures of city life.
Finally, we'll explore David's career trajectory from an aspiring screenwriter who started as a PA in LA to becoming an Emmy-winning editor. Learn about the evolution of digital editing, the impact of skateboarding videos, and the bustling reality TV industry of the early 2000s. David also shares his transition into sports documentary editing, with projects for Vice, The New York Times, and CNN. We round off our chat with a discussion on post-pandemic media trends, the allure of true crime and sports genres, and our wild fantasies of sudden wealth. Tune in for a rollercoaster of laughter, insights, and shared experiences!
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From the Greenpoint Palace Bar in Brooklyn, new York, writers and bartenders Rita and Marissa have intimate conversations with an eclectic mix of people from all walks of life about their passions, paranoia and perspectives. Featured guests could be artists or authors, exterminators or private investigators, or the person sitting next to you at the bar. This is People at the Core core.
Speaker 3:Do we need um? What is it?
Speaker 2:the, the clipboard clipboard to like clapper a clapper. Is that what they're called clappers, clappers, okay take one, only take final take hey rita how are you, hi Marissa? So, truth be told, we've already been chatting so much that we just have to start getting into this, but, yeah, we're really excited, obviously, for our guest today, because we had to stop talking to start recording the podcast.
Speaker 3:That's true, because we love talking to them, I know.
Speaker 2:So I think we'll just jump into this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2:Okay, so our guest today is an Emmy award-winning film and television editor, but we know him as a regular barstool warmer with a disarming midwestern charm and an arsenal of corny jokes that almost never land. Who wrote that? Did you write that? I did I came up with that on my dog walk this morning I was like what's an intro? I don't want to go into resume bio stuff too much, but I'm like it's Dave, it's not untrue.
Speaker 4:No, it's not.
Speaker 2:David Ayer is our guest today. Hi bud, hi, how are you?
Speaker 4:doing. I'm good. How are you if, uh, my last name's her, though, her, yeah, her. What did you say?
Speaker 5:if you want to, retake it her her no that's fine.
Speaker 4:It's h-e-r-r, which is german it is german and it's often mistaken her.
Speaker 3:Hair. It's the German word for Mr. Yeah right, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2:Mr, mr, mr Mr Ed, mr Dave yeah.
Speaker 4:I did have a German teacher that called me hair hair, mr Mr.
Speaker 3:Oh, Mr Mr, that's kind of cute. I like that oh.
Speaker 5:I understand 80s band.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's like the 80s band.
Speaker 4:It does sound like an 80s band.
Speaker 5:Mr Mister, wasn't that an?
Speaker 3:80s band? I think so probably.
Speaker 2:I can't think of any top singles or the monster hits compilation but yes, mr Mister, it rings a bell. Oh, and then Mr Big. Oh yeah, mr Big it rings the bell.
Speaker 5:Oh, and then Mr Big, oh, yeah, mr Big.
Speaker 3:What was that one song?
Speaker 2:What's that song?
Speaker 3:I'm the one who wants to be with you Be with you.
Speaker 5:That's Mr Big, deep inside.
Speaker 3:I hope you feel it.
Speaker 4:What's the band with the two blonde haired guys?
Speaker 3:Oh, the Nelson Brothers.
Speaker 4:Nelson, nelson Twins. Yeah, I think that's what I thought. Yeah, I think that's what I thought that was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nelson, they sing something nelson nelson I don't know is that the one who did um the ballad that uh oh, I don't know it was the two long-haired, dark-haired. It was the 80s. Everyone had long hair.
Speaker 3:Everyone looks the same I will say my one quick 80s story about bands was I was watching um, you know how vh1 does that like the best of, or you know best of, and it was like best of metal or something. And uh, they were interviewing the guys from iron maiden and megadeth and stuff and they were like, yeah, the coolest shit I ever saw was remember that band striper. It was like christ. And they were like, yeah, the coolest shit I ever saw was remember that band Striper. It was like Christian metal. They were like, yeah, we'd be playing a show and we'd throw like drumsticks or guitar picks or whatever, and these motherfuckers were whipping Bibles at people in the audience and like they would interview and they showed video of it. Like interview the audience and they'd have like a nose broke from the bible, or like I swear, I got a black eye from the bible getting thrown at him.
Speaker 3:So fucking, that's not metal. Okay, I know it's not okay at all.
Speaker 4:Wasn't sticks a christian rock band?
Speaker 3:yeah, I think maybe probably christian I don't know because?
Speaker 4:because it is the river in hell. Yeah, it is a river in hell um I know striper was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, striper was for sure. But I don't even remember any of the stuff, I just remember how pretty they looked. They were like the pretty glam band.
Speaker 2:Wikipedia says Styx is an American rock band formed in Chicago 1972. Known for blending melodic hard rock guitar with acoustic guitar Synthesizers. Nothing about Chris Channon.
Speaker 3:Why are we on Styx?
Speaker 2:Okay, we're off topic.
Speaker 1:Let's go let's talk about dave.
Speaker 2:Let's play here, let's talk about dave. Let's talk about dave baby let's talk about you. Okay, I know we're just we're boom listeners off um it's okay, because I love talking about so. So one thing, one thing we all have in common is loving the palace bar, being dog owners and being originally midwesterners do we love the palace bar
Speaker 4:just kidding, it's like a love hate thing yeah, what would we probably in? Very different ways. What is the term?
Speaker 2:the third space it's like for adults, like the community center, where you're not at home and you're not paid to be here. Um yeah, it's not home it's not a job, it's the third space, and that's what's an adult community center.
Speaker 3:You know, forgive the most obvious cliche, it's like cheers yeah, yeah, I mean exactly, with children and dogs running around everywhere and way less interesting characters and way less interesting characters like mike sholikoff.
Speaker 2:Yeah we're not gonna edit that out. We're not gonna edit that. He'll never listen to it anyway.
Speaker 4:So yeah, exactly, uh, so you're originally from yeah, exactly, I'm originally from northwest ohio, toledo ohio toledo outside. Technically, I'm from a suburb.
Speaker 2:Burbs yeah.
Speaker 4:Toledo is. I often explain it to people because it's very close to Detroit, but Toledo is to Detroit as Newark is to New York City oh, okay just across the border, smaller oh crappier yeah no offense. Newark no offense.
Speaker 3:Toledo full offense Toledo. Toledo, I can talk shit about. Can talk shit about, yeah, exactly because you're from there.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah yeah, so so yes, obviously you are a neighborhood guy. Uh, how long have you been here and how did you come to new york?
Speaker 4:um, I, let's see, I've lived in greenpoint, I guess, technically without leaving, for 13 years. I've been in my same place for 12 years, wild, but before that like off and on because I was still a little back and forth from other places like subletting, but I've kind of always I can circle back. I moved here originally in 1999 to New York, y2k.
Speaker 4:Before Y2K Well, I mean you were here for the end, but then I left and did some back and forth for a while, but I always kind of was in the Greenpoint-Williamsburg slash, bushwick area.
Speaker 2:How did you land here? I mean back at that time, a little more random than it is now.
Speaker 4:For sure. So I moved. I went to school in Ohio, I went to school in Cincinnati.
Speaker 3:Love.
Speaker 2:Cincinnati K-P-Y. Is that what it?
Speaker 4:is Cincinnati. That's something we have to talk about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Dave is pointing at me right now. You listeners can't see this, but I just look to see.
Speaker 2:Maybe I am high, I don't know, maybe the YouTube channel is coming, but we have a little connection that we'll talk about later with Cincinnati, but I love Cincinnati.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Mr Debs.
Speaker 4:Shout out to Fat Nick yeah, although I think he hates me. I went to school there for film TV stuff and then I moved here in 99, a year before I finished school.
Speaker 3:Oh, the year before you finished school Drop out.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, I had an internship and then I like stayed for a while and then, because you know, obviously I was happy and excited.
Speaker 2:Did the kids from Ohio intern here in New York In my program?
Speaker 4:yeah, it was like, or I guess they weren't called internships, they were called. Were they called co-ops, residencies, like co-ops, like we got paid?
Speaker 3:Oh, that's nice yeah.
Speaker 4:It was like stuff arranged through the school.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I mean where I worked was hilarious. I worked for a soap opera for Guiding Light. Nice, that's a big one which was, at the time, the longest running broadcast. Yes, because it was originally a radio program. Yeah, that's wild, it was a soap opera, so obviously not something that I was like interested in, but it was like very fun.
Speaker 1:Oh, my God, I had no idea.
Speaker 3:That's awesome. I was like an office PA.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so I just like got coffee and like bagels for people.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:But it was. I was 20 years old.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I lived in.
Speaker 4:New York, and it was yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's awesome. No, it's very. How long did you do that? For how long did you enter? Three months, three months, okay, and I stayed here like another three months, Okay.
Speaker 4:And then I moved back to Cincinnati. Okay, Finished school, had every intention to move back here.
Speaker 5:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:But instead like some.
Speaker 3:Girl stuff.
Speaker 4:I met a woman, yeah but uh, also like the people I went to school with, like my peers at the time had moved to la and gotten like jobs in the industry, like as pas oh yeah, it's the film and tv alone. Yeah, so that it was like all right, I'm gonna do that instead.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna, so I moved to la, oh shit I don't feel like you're an LA vibe kind of guy. I wasn't in LA.
Speaker 4:yeah, but that was the same person. I love LA.
Speaker 2:But I'm saying Dave in particular, no.
Speaker 4:I never really found my footing.
Speaker 3:I don't know if I could live there, unless I was super, super rich.
Speaker 2:I'd have to have money and not have to drive yeah.
Speaker 4:All those things. So now when I go visit, because the people that I moved out there with are still my friends and they have like worked their way up in the industry and they're nobody's rich or famous or anything but, wealthy enough to live, have own homes and okay you know, not have to drive as much, nice things like that but yeah, those were the cliches that I hated about it were the driving, yeah, the weather.
Speaker 4:I know that's not as common of a thing, but being from Ohio and it was too sunny, too nice, too pleasant, you like I like the winter.
Speaker 2:You like cold gray, lifeless, depressing fat white.
Speaker 3:I do. I mean, yeah, we all kind of do right, well.
Speaker 4:I like the variety.
Speaker 3:Or you don't.
Speaker 2:No, I don't. I felt like an alien most of my life. I was like how do people hate this?
Speaker 3:Oh, you want to live on a beach.
Speaker 2:Or moderate, like San Francisco. I can do, I can do like Mediterranean, I like fall, I like a good sweater stuff, but it's the grayness and the coldness and the bitterness and the no.
Speaker 4:I love the cold.
Speaker 3:I love the like spiting new york winter, do you? I like fighting in a new york winter, but I'm from minnesota, so winter is not my friend. I remember like going, moving to minnesota and just crying. The first I was like 13 years old and it was like a snowstorm and halloween. Everyone from minnesota remembers the snowstorm from halloween, whatever year that was, and I just sobbed. I was like you can't even trick or treat. There was like snow up to your hip.
Speaker 4:It was insane where did you live before you lived in minnesota, missouri. I'm born and raised in missouri.
Speaker 3:Yeah, missouri, springfield missouri uh claim the fame is uh kathleen turner and br Brad Pitt both from Springfield, missouri. Hey, rita, yeah, they both sound that way, yeah.
Speaker 5:I actually saw.
Speaker 3:Kathleen Turner speak at a Girl Scout troop meeting and I was obsessed with her. It was right when Romancing the Stone was out and.
Speaker 4:Jewel of the Nile all that shit. And she came and spoke the Indiana Jones kind of like romance yeah, Not rip-offs, but they were riding high on that. But there were also women who had personalities and made full sentences.
Speaker 2:So, that was the difference between those she was a romance novelist, she was a writer.
Speaker 3:Women were actually character. And Michael Douglas is hot as fuck and Danny DeVito's in it. I mean, women were actually character and Michael Douglas is hot as fuck and Danny DeVito's in it. I mean, come on and.
Speaker 1:Danny DeVito, a marshal to Kirk.
Speaker 3:Douglas.
Speaker 5:Yeah, what's that? A marshal to Kirk Douglas? Yeah, well, yeah.
Speaker 3:Smart kiss.
Speaker 2:Rip the Grand Doug. Yeah, the Godfather, so LA Cincinnati. Yes, the godfather, so la cincinnati, yes cincinnati, la?
Speaker 4:uh, but to backtrack and answer your question, when I did move to new york, the reason I ended up in this area I lived when I moved here, three friends of mine, cincinnati, lived in the east village on east fifth, between a and b and like a railroad yeah small railroad but everybody was young, so like two people lived in like shared rooms in the opposite ends of the railroad, yeah, which was kind of like amazing. I just slept on a little like like caught in the middle, which was but it was lovely.
Speaker 3:I was 20 yeah, yeah, exactly 20. You lived in new york.
Speaker 4:We went to the cherry tavern every night, which was on. I think it's still there. It was on six between first and a. Okay, it was. It was on 6th between 1st and A Okay. It was like a little skater bar, like back in the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:It was Tequila Tecate for three bucks. Oh my God, that's, amazing Funny story because I was only 20 at the time and it was during the summer and we would go there every night because my friends went there and knew people and stuff so I couldn't get carded or whatever. And then my birthday, which is in. August happened and we were celebrating my birthday there and the bartender was like what the fuck man?
Speaker 3:You've been coming in here for the past month and a half. I have a similar story.
Speaker 5:Yes, same thing where they're like what the fuck?
Speaker 4:I mean he didn't care, but it was just kind of funny. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, he didn't care, but it was just kind of funny, yeah, yeah. But so my friend Lynn Bousquet, who I knew from Cincinnati, who I still know, who lives in Portland now she got a place in Williamsburg with her friend that same summer on Ainsley and Lorimer.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 4:And I moved in with her for a little bit and then I got a place in Clinton Hill with another friend of mine.
Speaker 2:That was my first Clinton Hill border Bed-Stuy. I mean they called it Clinton Hill for real estate purposes, but it was next to the projects.
Speaker 4:So that was my early little time, and then I did go back to Cincinnati, and then I went to Los.
Speaker 3:Angeles. Yeah, how long were you in Los Angeles? For Five and a half years, wow. Like, yeah, how long were you in los angeles for five and a half years? Wow, so you were there for a while what neighborhood?
Speaker 4:uh, I first because I moved out there with two of my friends from school. We lived in like palms okay, which is just kind of like generic west, la kind of like near culver city god, yeah you know, and we lived in you know somewhere super cheap, that we all moved and then my girlfriend from cincinnati moved, so the four of us shared a place, oh wow. And then, like a year, and then her and I got a place in Venice Sort of Venice, not like fancy Venice.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Just like a cheap little apartment. And then her and I broke up and then I got a place in Inglewood and then I got a place in Silver Lake. Very cliche things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in inglewood, and I had a place in silver lake, very cliche things. Yeah, yeah, totally were you. It's very la.
Speaker 4:Were you actively working in film and television then yeah, so the whole reason I went out there and stayed there was for that reason to go, and you know, because I went to like a it wasn't necessarily film school, it was like a broadcast communication type of school but we kind of the professors there were amazing and they kind of let us craft different things.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. Like there was a group of us that kind of wanted to like actually make films and do art stuff and they would like kind of like, let us make our projects more, like that.
Speaker 3:That's cool.
Speaker 4:Instead of like broadcast stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah right, I mean it was kind of like broadcast stuff. Yeah right, I mean it was kind of like the Salt Institute that I went to. Same thing, it was like more mixed media. You know what I mean, so you could it was journalism, but then it was also not, I don't know, it was very art school.
Speaker 4:Basically an art school. I would, yeah, I would say the same.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So, yeah, so I moved out to LA with, so I moved out there with intentions to be like as cheesy as it is, like a screenwriter. Yeah, yeah, uh didn't, which is totally fine yeah um, but yeah, I worked because we didn't know anybody. We were just midwestern young kids, so we started at the bottom.
Speaker 4:We all got pa jobs and then just kind of worked up from that. So. So I was like, let's see, I was an office PA, which just means then because this was like 2001, 2002, just literally meant making copies of scripts all day, and then driving them around, delivering them to people.
Speaker 4:That was pretty much the entire job. And then when you're at the office getting lunch for everybody, I was saying coffee and scripts. Yeah, it was an office pa, then it was a post pa, which is post-production. So it's basically doing the same thing for the editors and and instead of driving scripts around. This is gonna age me, but when they would do like cuts of the show, they put them on vhs tapes oh and then you would drive those to all the like wow, directors, producers, executives yeah, oh, my god, I guess I never, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like my understanding of the industry. Now, I guess is is fully digitized, even though that's not something I know right, but it's completely. The role that I had then doesn't even exist anymore yeah right, everything is online.
Speaker 4:But back then it wasn't physically driving or did you have like a oh right, but it's completely the role that I had then doesn't even exist anymore.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, because everything is online, but back then it wasn't online. Physically driving, or did you have, like a golf cart going around studios?
Speaker 4:That too, yes, but like that, but also most, most of the time, like it would be like oh, they would release like an edit at night, which is still the case, like what I do now, night, which is still the case, like what I do now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're done at like seven or eight, but then and now you would just go online and post it right, right, but then, like toyota corolla at seven or eight, I had a mercury sable.
Speaker 4:It was a great car. I love that car, um, but then they would. You'd make all the vh. Well, actually, the editor would make a master. You would drive to a, like what we call it, a post house, okay, where they would make.
Speaker 4:You give them the master and they make a bunch of vhs tapes oh yeah right right, yeah, 20 of these yeah you wait around there, you get some like free dinner sometimes, get all the tapes and then you literally drive around LA delivering them to, like the producers, directors, composers executives for them to like then give notes and like stuff like that.
Speaker 3:I totally see this as a movie you should write the screenplay. Yeah, this is cool, it would be amazing.
Speaker 2:It could be like, I don't know, high maintenance meets good time, or something I picture yeah, the John Cusack constantly narrating things and then having this whole internal monologue while he's driving around and maybe conceiving of his own script as he's driving around, just being this stupid writer.
Speaker 4:Which is what a lot of people do.
Speaker 3:I was thinking a little darker, but that's okay, but even then we were all like, yes, planning our own.
Speaker 4:All the PAs, we would make little short films and stuff. We were all like, yes, like planning our own you know like all the pas we would like make little short films and stuff and like we were all kind of everybody was had goals of doing things, yeah right well, I mean, I'm not changed subject, but a little like.
Speaker 3:That's why I do love bartenders in the bartender world is because, you know, it's very rare that you find a bartender that just bartends, so it he's usually passionate about something right Music, or writing, or film or painting or whatever. And I can assume that that's what was going on in the PA community at the time too, right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no one aspires to be a PA, you're there to make connections. Maybe they could 30 Rock Okay, but generally you want to be in the industry or find that spot where you fit, or to develop a project or make connections.
Speaker 4:It's also a little bit of a ladder, like yeah, which is what I did you? You kind of work your way up, like there's like a ladder for things which is and now you like, have fucking emmys and shit.
Speaker 2:It's true, yeah, no, humble brag. Yeah, dude fuck seriously.
Speaker 4:But yeah, so I was a, I was a post-production pa, and then I was an assistant editor and then that was for a while and then I started editing. Um, but does that?
Speaker 2:mean physically taking, like is this? So have you worked from this transition of doing physical tapes to now digitally editing? Have you made that you know the beta to the iPod?
Speaker 4:Well, it was always. Even when I was there, the editing itself was still digital.
Speaker 5:The editing itself was still done on computers. Okay.
Speaker 4:The most common program is called Avid. It's like the digital editing program or Adobe Premiere. The more consumer prosumer one back then was like Final Cut Pro.
Speaker 2:I've worked with Yep Bootleg version from China. I had a project with a girl in college.
Speaker 4:That stuff was all still digital back then. Just the output was to view it. You still kicked it out to a tape and then had to deliver, deliver it. There wasn't like the ability to create like a file that was small enough to email out yeah, now it's like very easy and common yeah, right, okay, so how'd you end? Up here, back here, oh back here.
Speaker 2:I guess back here and with those em Emmys in your pocket shelf.
Speaker 3:You're obsessed with the Emmys. No, that's cool. I mean no because seriously.
Speaker 2:Dave is so low-key, Dave's like my brother from another mother and then I'm like wait, you're actually a legit person and people pay you and awarded you with stuff.
Speaker 4:So it's kind of cool Some people don't Kind of cool.
Speaker 3:I mean, I've been like some neighborhood people would be like oh wait, like I don't know what they assume I do, but yeah, I assume I do nothing. They assume I do nothing um we know you work very hard.
Speaker 4:You should see his face right now okay, so so you're doing all this yeah, I like walked up the ladder type of thing. I actually ended up. I always wanted to be in dramatic narrative stuff right, yeah, I wanted to be a screenwriter, yada, yada. It didn't end up happening, which is fine. A lot of that has to do with being just having to work for a living, and it's hard to, you know, work 10-12 hours a day and then be creative and come up with shit out of nowhere and like sometimes you just fall into the routine of working for a living yeah and years later I've come to accept that as my role and stuff.
Speaker 4:That's a different conversation, but I sort of made my way into the non-fiction world because I knew I wanted to edit after kind of working in post-production. But also this is a little bit of a backtrack. Uh, I grew up skateboarding. Skateboarding is a big part of my life always because what introduced me to creativity and art and individuality and I could talk for a whole different podcast about that. But also growing up skateboarding, I made skateboard videos so I sort of learned a lot about editing through that Then also, your highlight your scrabble jam thing which was kind of like a part of that.
Speaker 4:Your highlight reels, the Skrill Jam thing, which was kind of like a part of that. So I always had, like I always had done some editing on like a smaller scale level.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like skateboarding and stuff like that I made some local skate videos in Cincinnati, so I knew some of that. So once I started then shift into that professional thing in Hollywood or whatever it made sense and I was like, oh, I should go try and be an editor, pursue that, yeah. So for me there was you could be like an assistant for a long time and like try and be in the studios and work for, like Hollywood narrative films and stuff like that. Or at the time there was a lot more quote unquote nonfiction stuff, although at the time it was like lot more quote-unquote non-fiction stuff, although at the time was like reality tv right so much reality tv in the early 2000s yeah, there really was, because it just was starting to happen, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, wasn't? The osbournes, kind of the first. Well, it started with.
Speaker 2:I think real world was like one of the big ones, that kind of like, set the stage for seeing where we can go with this and then like Survivor.
Speaker 4:I never worked on a show like Survivor but, that was like a big American idol yeah right.
Speaker 4:Why did I say it like that? There's lots of different kinds of like quote, unquote, reality TV there's like contest shows. There's like the you know, verite quote, unquote shows like what the real world, where you're just like seeing people do stuff, even what the Kardashians would be, even though that's not like a thing. But there was so much of that, so there were more jobs and you could kind of become an editor sooner because there was so much content.
Speaker 2:There's so much content, the hours and hours of footage you have to whittle down Right. Yeah, I never thought about that.
Speaker 4:I never had the desire to work in nonfiction or documentary.
Speaker 5:It just kind of.
Speaker 4:at the time it felt more like available to move up quicker, gotcha. Than to like be an assistant editor, for you know, like some 60-year-old editor who works on, you know whatever narrative blockbusters are there, but you do that for like 15 years, although my friend elliot did that. He's very successful, so I did that. The the good was I did end up getting edit jobs. I worked on some like really bad reality shows can you name drop any, sure I?
Speaker 4:mean I mean I don't know. Some of them were like there was this company called Rocket Science. They did like, oh my gosh, what was that one show called? They did like I think they did one of those. I think they did Temptation Island.
Speaker 3:Love Temptation Island. I love Temptation Island.
Speaker 4:Oh, my Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:Do you remember that?
Speaker 4:No, no, oh, that was a show. No, but no, I think it's like big fat creep wedding. Yeah, no, that's like an actual movie they did really bad. Like like picture the stupidest thing ever.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like make it a show yeah, well, I mean, they also later got sued for like abusing their employees oh shit really it was non-union and like yeah, yeah, so I started to get some low level reality type jobs.
Speaker 4:I also worked for entertainment tonight, oh sweet, okay, for a little while, um, which was terrible, yeah, but in a weird way taught me a lot. It taught me how to edit fast yeah because it was a daily show, right? So?
Speaker 4:you entertainment tonight it was like news, but obviously yeah, crappy entertainment news, but from the standpoint of my craft, it did teach me to work fast. Right, that's great. You had to get it done, which then kind of as I evolved in different ways of learning my craft, paid off in different ways yeah, right but somewhere along those lines when I was like, okay, I kind of have credentials now and like I don't really, like I never really fit in in, la, yeah, and then I kind of had like a personal you guys break up meltdown with a different person.
Speaker 4:But yeah, all that kind of stuff well, just basically insert girl.
Speaker 2:It's a mad lib.
Speaker 4:I this happened blah, blah, blah because girl name yeah, and I always had intentions of coming back to new york because I just knew it was more where you wanted to be my sort of place.
Speaker 4:So I had this whole summer meltdown and I was like, fuck it, I'm, I'm leaving, yeah, but it was a very impulsive decision and I was like I had two cats. I still love those cats, but I like they were cats from my ex that I moved to la with from cincinnati. Yeah, they're great cats, they're my buddies. They're both dead now.
Speaker 4:Rest in peace yeah the names were jack and william. I won't tell you what they're named after, um, but I like, was like called my ex. I was like you have to take these cats, I'm leaving. She's like fine, I to take these cats. I'm leaving, she's like fine, I'll take the cats. And then I just kind of, within like two weeks, I was like looking at U-Hauls but U-Hauls were expensive. So I went to Hermosa. I looked on like I don't even know if it was Craigslist, but whatever version of that existed.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there was this guy in Hermmosa beach and he had like a van for 900 bucks like a cargo van, yeah, and I was like hey man, like will it take me to new york city? He's like, we don't know maybe. I was like, fuck it, I'll buy it, here's a thousand dollars cash bought. The van went back like packed it all up wait, you bought the van.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I bought the back oh, that's amazing, because you also were like two thousand dollars yeah, totally, and you're like I could live in this and I was also in a place in my life where I was like I'm getting rid of everything, 90 of my shit, yeah I just need to like completely change. Also quick backstory my friend who was going to mass art in boston, who I grew up with. He was planning to move to new york around same time.
Speaker 2:So there was like, alright, let's go get a place, Potential roomie yeah and we did.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I packed all my shit up. So this van it's like a big white, gross looking van.
Speaker 2:No windows raper van yeah.
Speaker 4:I was like, fuck, I am a little scared to drive this thing Like cross country. Yeah, yeah, were you by yourself too?
Speaker 3:yeah, oh boy, no, there was no stereo in the van no radio in there. I got like a little boom box, that's okay.
Speaker 4:Well, that's good, at least oh yeah, in a captain's chair, like uh-huh, like he built this like little, like lazy boy thing, yeah but I was nervous yeah, so I'm nervous for you when I was leaving los angeles I was like I don't want to drive through the desert in the daytime, because it was like summer it might have been july, july or august, okay, and I was like I don't want to drive through the desert during the day.
Speaker 4:So I was like I'm gonna leave at night, drive through the night, uh-huh, so it's like cooler. So I left, la like I don't know. Six or seven drove through the night, survived on cigarettes and like. Mountain Dew not even those. You remember those. I don't know if they still exist.
Speaker 3:They're like little Starbucks espresso cans oh yeah, totally, they're like gas stations, they're like this big six inches yeah, what is now the five hour energy?
Speaker 4:something like that, yeah basically I would just buy as much of those. And then I got to arizona and the sun was coming up and I was like I'm not gonna stop and sleep, I just kept going and I kept driving that whole day and I got to, I think, tulsa, oklahoma at night and I was like fuck it, I'm just at this point, I'm going I was going.
Speaker 2:My two days of non-sleeping yeah, okay my brother lives in indiana.
Speaker 4:Fort wayne, indiana that was my like destination. I was like I'm gonna get to my brother, so I just kept and I was like fucking I'm not stopping. So I drove straight from los angeles to fort wayne, indiana.
Speaker 2:Wow, this is at least 48 hours awake.
Speaker 3:I've done it yeah, I've done it.
Speaker 4:I've done it awake no drugs, just literally cigarettes and just kidding these. There was like a pile of burning a hole to your intestine 30 of these coffee things and like on the pastor yeah, of course, finally it's my brother's. He was like what you know, he sees me blow up in this van with all my stuff in it. Amazing, go to bed. And then I went to New. York. After that Got a place in Bushwick. This was 2006.
Speaker 3:So Bushwick's a little different now, right, yeah, bushwick, then it was crusty.
Speaker 4:It was very crusty. I got mugged twice, but it was also kind of super fun.
Speaker 3:We had some crazy To get mugged. No, not the. It was also kind of super fun. We had some crazy to get mugged really.
Speaker 4:No, not the mugging part, just bushwick in general yeah, my friend had just graduated art school in photography and so he was very eager and ambitious and we got this like loft built it out, it was like deep bushwick, it wasn't like mckibben yeah, right it was like off the knickerbocker m stop. Yeah, in fact the train tracks were right out of our window like so train all night.
Speaker 4:You had to get used to that yeah also and this is very illegal sometimes we would like have people over and everybody be drinking and we'd like throw stuff at the train tracks. Or like you could literally walk, jump to the train track and we would like put we'd like put cd cases on there what about pennies? To like we didn't do that, just to hear them like it smashed yeah which is again very illegal. But um.
Speaker 2:I mean I love that teenager driving through the the countryside I didn't do it, but I was in the car rather trucks that would then drive by and throw beer bottles at country mailboxes. That was like a sport. You'd drive around and drink and then throw.
Speaker 4:Smash things. Yeah, just smash shit, I don't know what's the human desire to smash things? I don't know. I'm from Missouri. We cow tips.
Speaker 2:But there's the rooms, the smash rooms where they have appliances and objects, where you go in with full glasses and gear.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I would do that, that sounds fucking amazing. Should we do it right now in this room? I?
Speaker 2:don't know.
Speaker 3:You want to smash up your bar?
Speaker 4:No, because we don't have a lot of time before you guys open to clean up? Yeah, that's true. We can't make the staff do that. You know who would be really mad, lauren stuff. You know who'd be really mad, lauren?
Speaker 3:I know she'd be so mad she'd be like what the?
Speaker 2:fuck, no, unforgivable. Um. So you're here and now you're like, say it one more time, say it a legit, like person you've established yourself. You've been able to build a career here in new york.
Speaker 3:So bad just?
Speaker 2:say it question.
Speaker 4:Okay, it took a while I mean I, I can talk about the. I was in a very bad rut career-wise for a while. When I back I got very pigeonholed in like working in reality TV, which nobody really wants. Maybe some people want to do it, but once you become like a non-fiction editor, it's very different than cutting like narrative films. Right, it's very different than cutting narrative films.
Speaker 4:It's a very different kind of craft. So it's not like you can just jump back and forth. It's not like I could just go easily and get a job on a Hollywood movie.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:I could probably do that, but just the way industry stuff works.
Speaker 3:Well, like you said, you're just pigeonholed, right yeah?
Speaker 3:I was a pretty bad pigeonholed right you know, yeah, so I had a pretty bad pigeonhole for a while, like working stuff that would make me very miserable, like because it's still a lot of creative energy yeah like 10 hours a day, but the product is so bad that it, you know, it's kind of mentally awful, right Well yeah, I'm just assuming, like staring at a screen right, which is what you're doing for hours upon hours upon hours of some reality. Show that you know. You're just going to have to do it again tomorrow, right, yeah?
Speaker 4:and just the it's not inspiring content. It's not inspiring the content. Yes, you're not learning something? No, Like.
Speaker 2:I know that you've like to jump ahead a little bit. I know you've worked on a couple projects that you were pretty jazzed about and you learned a lot of things from Jazzed about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, very jazzed, it's adorable. It's adorable, I love it. It just made me happy.
Speaker 4:But no to your point yes, eventually I did get a little bit of a break and got a job on this BuzzFeed news show. Oh, that's cool. It was for Netflix, but nobody saw it which is another problem with making stuff nowadays.
Speaker 3:Right, I probably saw it. I watch everything.
Speaker 4:Excuse me, Almost 90% of the stuff that a lot of people make anymore. You don't see it.
Speaker 2:Whether it fits into the algorithm of the streaming. So I'll start something and then if somebody else gets on my or like Ken watches things my whole suggested like gets changed and then boom, things that I was like, oh, I remember seeing this film that I thought looked interesting. I can't remember the name of it Now. It's not showing up in my you know top suggested tens or the things the new releases, but it exists, exists. It just got buried in the algorithm, right.
Speaker 4:There's just so much content made because there's so much space for it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I I mean which?
Speaker 4:is a double-edged sword.
Speaker 3:Sorry, I didn't mean to hurt you because there's work.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, at the end of the day, I'm still more. You know, I still need a job.
Speaker 2:Yeah right.
Speaker 3:So, what do you mostly work on now? Like if you had to categorize what you edit. Like, what is it?
Speaker 4:mostly I do documentary series. For a while I was doing like mostly like news and political type of things which is great, which I love.
Speaker 2:You did some Vice stuff, didn't you? I worked at.
Speaker 4:Vice for a little while yeah and did like their Vice for Showtime show. I worked on a New York Times show called the Weekly Okay, which was. I really loved that job.
Speaker 2:We listened to. I listened to the Daily Pod it it yeah.
Speaker 4:It was born like a TV series of the same kind of vibe. The problem with that?
Speaker 5:was. It was for FX.
Speaker 4:And not everybody has FX. Yes, but it was really good and it did get a lot of acclaim. That's where those awards came from, Gotcha, I did some really cool stuff for CNN, some original series for CNN which I really liked, but for the past year I've been doing sports things okay I love but I love sports, that that's yeah, I watch every 30 for 30 that's ever been made so the company I work for is called words and pictures. They did a lot of 30 for 30s they did the last dance.
Speaker 2:Oh cool yeah wait, not julia style. Oh, save Wait, not Julia Stiles.
Speaker 4:Oh, steve, no, not Steve D'Alessio.
Speaker 2:Julia Stiles Love you.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I've been doing sports. Right now I'm working on a boxing series.
Speaker 3:Oh, steve I love that yeah, I'm a sucker for all things. Is this like a contemporary, or is this?
Speaker 2:like a historical thing, I mean, since it I mean Doc could go anywhere.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, it's contemporary. It's like a fighter, basically the months or weeks before their fight. Okay, Like the prep yeah like a behind-the-scenes look at their life behind the scenes before the fight.
Speaker 2:I mean I watched Girl Fight with Michelle Rodriguez also. Love, Not a documentary, Not a documentary, but I'm sure that this would help in the future.
Speaker 3:But I love you for that and girl fight was very good. She's fucking bad, but I do understand.
Speaker 4:One of the episodes is sanisa estrada, who was a super badass female boxer, and it's a great episode.
Speaker 3:I didn't work on it, but my colleagues did yeah, sweet, I'm gonna say we have a friend, lou, that like does very similar to what you do, but how you've gone into, like sports genre. He's totally got sucked into true crime, which is so funny because he's a sports fanatic and he's the one who gets season tickets to the mat.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like well, it's, I mean that's that's. I didn't know that I. I know, lou, but I didn't know. And I've talked about this a lot with my colleagues. The nonfiction world since pandemic has been going through a weird thing and a lot of it has to do with all these weird mergers and discovery, buying HBO and things like that. But sports and true crime that's like all the jobs right now, yeah, oh, I'm sure, which we all joke about. It's like are you in sports or true crime?
Speaker 3:that's like all the jobs right now. Yeah, oh, I'm sure which we?
Speaker 4:all joke about. It's like are you in sports or true crime? I'm in sports.
Speaker 3:Yeah, which is funny, because if you lose, yeah, true crime, yeah, I mean because that's basically all that there is, or that's the most popular.
Speaker 2:It's just that they're both having a moment Enough of a genre of true crime within sports.
Speaker 3:Yeah, aaron Hernandez, boom, mic drop.
Speaker 4:Yeah or OJ, oj, yeah.
Speaker 2:Exactly the epitome of that, oh the OG, you mean the original Mike Vick. How is he still allowed to be a person?
Speaker 3:I don't think he killed anyone. He just dog fought right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but he killed dogs and fought dogs Like I'm sorry, I'm a John Wick kind of vibe you fuck with a dog. I'm like boom, I love you.
Speaker 4:I've never seen those movies.
Speaker 3:I haven't either. I haven't either. I think I may have seen one.
Speaker 2:Nate always tells me to. Basically the whole catalyst is the bad guys kill his dog and no one is safe. Yeah, I knew that. But I mean, yeah, how many are there? There's like four of them or something, right oh, there's four. Okay, I'm an exaggerator you as a keanu fan. I'm a huge person. I don't know if you not seen, because, okay, john mcone is definitely the best.
Speaker 3:I think I've seen one.
Speaker 2:I'm pretty sure I've seen one, or at least half of it and then there's a hallie berry one like there's a whole thing like yeah, but I'd watch the hallie berry one. She's super cute yeah she's a babe.
Speaker 3:there's a Halle Berry one there's a whole thing.
Speaker 2:I'd watch the Halle Berry one.
Speaker 3:She's super cute, she's fucking hot, yeah, she's a babe, she's a babe, she's a babe. Yeah, she is a babe.
Speaker 4:I can tell you why I don't watch them, why it's going to be a little embarrassing.
Speaker 5:No, do it.
Speaker 4:I don't do well with super violence, yeah.
Speaker 2:Are they very violent films? I thought the Punisher was one of the most violent things that I have seen.
Speaker 3:The TV show the TV show Dude okay, I explain the Punisher as he murdered murder. That's how fucking cool it was. He murdered murder.
Speaker 2:That is like okay, the Boys for example, the Boys is like salaciously violent. It is almost comically violent.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I can do that, it makes you gasp and scream because it's so flagrant.
Speaker 2:The Punisher was so real violent that I physically would cover my eyes. I can fucking close them, but I would physically have to it's so intense. The John Wick stuff wasn't it's violent, but it wasn't. It was so action-y that it didn't affect me on that way. I think slow, dirty, seductive violence that is way more like, gets my gut, makes my stomach turn um but you fuck with a dog man I don't like.
Speaker 3:Like saw violence.
Speaker 1:I don't like like, no, like like gore for the sake of gore.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean I'm not a big fan of, but I will say, if you want to watch one of the goriest films I've ever seen in my life and it's so good, it's called Bone Tomahawk everyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've seen that Bone Tomahawk.
Speaker 3:That movie is fucking awesome yeah, kurt Russell, I love.
Speaker 1:Kurt Russell. It's amazing.
Speaker 3:But I mean, it's so violent but they kind of do it right where you're just like I can't stop watching.
Speaker 2:The train wreck. You know the car wash.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly the train wreck the car wash.
Speaker 3:I said a car wash, almost what.
Speaker 2:And I didn't even get high this morning. Isn't that weird? No, it's cute. Yeah, oof, well, so okay. Last question related to your career Sure Favorite project.
Speaker 3:That I've worked on. Yeah, oh yeah, that everyone should watch, since you've done this whole gamut of content Sure.
Speaker 4:I mean. So I wish you can.
Speaker 2:Or one of One of.
Speaker 4:My favorite job that I had was the New York Times show. It was called the Weekly yeah and I worked on like 15 episodes and I was like insanely proud of all of them. Okay, and they did get recognition, which was like nice, nobody actually cares, yeah, like none of us really care, but it's nice. That's kind of cool you have an IMBD and like I was like, oh yeah, that's awesome. To be fair, they're news and doc Emmys.
Speaker 3:You know what An Emmy's, an Emmy homie I don't have one that's pretty dope.
Speaker 2:It's not a participant there's four Emmys.
Speaker 3:There's the primetime Emmys, which are the ones what we see on TV right it's daytime Emmys, which is for soap operas and game shows.
Speaker 4:There's sports Emmys, which is for sports. And then there's news and doc Emmys, which is for, like, news and nonfiction stuff. Yeah, so there's news and doc Emmys, but they are still Emmys, which is cool. But when I got them, because I'm you know, I'm me and I don't care about this stuff, and I was like I don't know what to do with these things- Nate was like my friend Nate. He was like just put each one side of your end tables.
Speaker 2:Did you? No? Where are you? I was thinking nightstand.
Speaker 4:That's what I meant, sorry, yeah, nightstand.
Speaker 2:Okay, not in the living room, in the bedroom.
Speaker 4:Okay, so where are they? On some bookshelf thing.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, they're on a bookshelf, yeah.
Speaker 1:Hidden no they're there.
Speaker 3:Do you polish them? You, I do not. That would be ridiculous.
Speaker 2:I would they get dusted though, like when you're like going through and cleaning.
Speaker 5:I don't know probably not okay.
Speaker 4:I'm also in the process of moving, so yeah, you are, that's right where are you?
Speaker 2:you're leaving us. I am we, we're trying to remember cause.
Speaker 4:Sunnyside, we're really good.
Speaker 2:Sunnyside.
Speaker 3:I am moving to sunnyside and he is the head um music editor for all mcu, for all the marvel movies but you should hook up with him, because you two would love each other and he's amazing, um and, but he's lived out there for like yeah, for like 20 days, not 20 years but, yeah, and his name's dave
Speaker 2:too. That's a cool job, though, yeah yeah, he also won some awards. I know there we go, yeah, all these award winners moving to Sunnyside, yeah.
Speaker 3:I guess everyone that wins awards moves to Sunnyside. Cool, alright. I have goals. New goals now, alright what awards in Sunnyside?
Speaker 2:yeah, awards in Sunn, then you can move.
Speaker 4:I can't believe. I just said the term hashtag out loud.
Speaker 3:Did you say it? I did. I think we missed it, that's okay, thank God. Please don't get buried in that All right, let's do a question, okay.
Speaker 2:Question roulette. Okay, all right, what would be the first thing you would do if you won the lottery?
Speaker 4:Oh, this is so generic, like I'd give all my money to my mother or I would say like if you asked me 10 years ago, I'd be like pay my mom's mortgage off, but I believe it's paid now. But and you bought her and you bought judy a car, we did, we did my brother, yeah, that is the sweetest answer ever it's just my brain. I mean, at this point she's 79 and probably doesn't She'd be like what the hell do you?
Speaker 5:think I don't need anything anymore.
Speaker 3:Your mom's so cute. Dave's mom is the cutest woman ever.
Speaker 4:Side story my mom, who I love, when she came here to visit she has this weird thing with the Buffalo Trace whiskey and Rita got her a bottle just for her which was the sweetest, coolest thing ever.
Speaker 3:It's not the Bath Bar staple. Love your mom, she's adorable. And she made a great son. Well, that's a really sweet answer.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, but then I would like I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what is the question? The first thing you do.
Speaker 2:What's the first thing you would do if you won the lottery?
Speaker 4:I think you would do if you won the lottery.
Speaker 3:I think we can broaden it to like a few things.
Speaker 4:I'm lucky and privileged enough to not have debt, yeah. So, yeah, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I guess I'd buy I don't know, I'm so boring. I'd be like mom, do you need anything? No, and then I'd like invest it or put it yeah how about you, marissa?
Speaker 2:we've thought about this. And uh, ken, you know, when the lottery got really big, you play. I was like I don't want to win because people would come and murder us or murder our families, because in new york, unless you're in llc, your name gets published yeah, people are fucking crazy and I don't believe this is folklore, but a girl won in my high school. Well, at least the family disappeared, they won the lottery and they had to leave town.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like it was like a substantial amount of money.
Speaker 5:Money no problems, money no problems.
Speaker 2:Somebody just wrote that in the park in chalk and I passed by that this morning.
Speaker 4:It was probably like a six-year-old.
Speaker 2:If I was not threatened by humans lurching or murder. Yeah, I've gone through my list of things Set aside money that never have to work or worry medical or anything like that. My brother, if my brother has children, we'll set aside money for them to go to school. And buy my mom the villa in Tuscany or whatever she fucking wants, absolutely yeah, the vacation home that I want to go to and visit that she just takes care of. And start a scholarship foundation.
Speaker 2:I am educated because of other people putting in money, um, and I would find people like me, um, to support their educational pursuits at least. Uh, and then I really want to start a building that is just kind of like a creative warehouse I could never afford this unless I had millions of dollars where there are studios for artists to create and the only thing they have to do is teach classes. So, like in exchange, um, but buying the equipment, buying the space, is that we can do low cost or free classes for low income, but low cost stuff, that the artists get to do anything for free, have studio spaces, have a gallery. I think that would be really fun. I have.
Speaker 4:That's such a.
Speaker 3:The first thing I would do is call them and make sure that it's real.
Speaker 3:Because one time we were all at the palace and mike shulkov bought off the internet a fake uh scratch off for a million dollars and he gave it to this girl that we know and she scratched it off and it said she won a million dollars and she was like, oh my god, I just won a million dollars. Now I have thought a lot about, if he would have given me that scratch off, what I would have done. And I know I would have grabbed that scratch off and I would have been like fuck you, fuck you, I like you, fuck you, I'm fucking out and probably would have bought, like you know, a couple hundred in cocaine and died that night. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 4:That's such a show off. I'm just kidding, I I'm just kidding. I would not have done that. He's also the person that puts fake $20 bills in the ATM there. Yeah, exactly, and he's like, hey, go check it out.
Speaker 3:Somebody left a $20 bill in there yeah, so I think I would just make sure that it was real first.
Speaker 2:And then I would figure out.
Speaker 3:So then, if it was, If it was real, what would I do? First thing, I'd do is move out of my tiny apartment Because I'm just miserable.
Speaker 2:You won't be my neighbor anymore.
Speaker 3:I would buy the building, your building, yeah, and then you could live there forever for free and then we would be set up at the boutique hotel while they renovated it.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah, see, there we go.
Speaker 3:Okay, no, I would just, I would probably just move somewhere in the middle of nowhere. I really want a farm with some animals. I want a place where I can just open the door and Wilbur can run the animal sanctuary. Yeah, I would like you know, get a goat and a pig.
Speaker 2:You would have your own room, Zelda. You would have your own area.
Speaker 3:I don't know where that would be, though I know that I'm going to move eventually, but I just don't know where.
Speaker 2:I haven't decided yet eventually, but I just don't know where. I haven't decided yet.
Speaker 3:So, pending this election, ken and I will be traveling shortly thereafter and we might be scouting yeah for a relocation. Well, look for three bedrooms absolutely it's a hard thing.
Speaker 4:I mean, like during my moving process I was like, oh, what do I do? Yeah I'd love to leave the city, leave the. Don't want to leave the city by myself, like if I move upstate and get a place.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're going to be a hermit alone with your dog. It's like three weeks before.
Speaker 4:I buy a shotgun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know that's me too, dave.
Speaker 3:I mean, I think about that too. It's like so, dave and I are both single. You know people in our 40s and like we've had so many friends upstate and live these like perfect lives on these farms and stuff.
Speaker 2:But you do have to think about like we're just the reality and the reality is we're two individuals without a partner, without children, and we have dogs. Can I share a like macabre thought I was like dave would be drunk, walking, billy, trip on a stick and then fall into a creek and drown that is an awful thought and that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3:No, but I'm just like don't be alone are alone, no, but I mean like in the woods, and that's something we have to think about.
Speaker 2:In the woods and drunk.
Speaker 4:I'm laughing because you're not wrong.
Speaker 2:I'm like if I were going to write the terrible ending to this story.
Speaker 4:No, but the actual ending would be what you said, but like I'd trip on the stick, the stick would stick up, it would poke me through the eye and then, as I'm trying to grapple, I would fall and hit my head on a rock and I would get passed out. And then I'd be in the street and it would be at night and then a truck would come and run me over.
Speaker 3:Oh, my God, you've thought about this a lot.
Speaker 4:That would be the actual way.
Speaker 5:That's terrible. Can you edit?
Speaker 4:that part you don't like violence, but Billy's like so my dog would just literally be like when's dinner. He'd be looking around and be like is there any food? Yeah, oh, there's treats in his pocket.
Speaker 3:Just digging in your pocket for treats.
Speaker 4:And then she'd walk back home.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, that was dark.
Speaker 2:I know that went dark.
Speaker 3:Well, on that note, we're going to stick with reality TV. It's funny that we were even talking about reality tv because I was gonna do the fuck kill b. Based on reality tv and you said that you came in. I came in, people prepped I always come in with my people prepped and it just so happens that it fits with our conversation, are they um diverse genders oh, you want me to mix it up I don't know.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just saying ken was the one who pointed out that we only do a bunch of white fake characters, puppets or men. I did what I'm doing women and we fucked some women in the last couple episodes I'm doing women today too.
Speaker 3:It's really easy, guys. Cool, all right, we're gonna do um paris hilton, lindsey, lohan, kim kardashian.
Speaker 4:I know it's gonna be hard.
Speaker 3:It's gonna be hard we gotta fuck one, we gotta kill one and we gotta be one.
Speaker 4:I got mine, I'm gonna I don't really know much about one of them, which one?
Speaker 3:the kardashian one well, okay, you know the name I mean, I know who she is yes, I'm gonna kill lindsey lohan. God bless her cute little thing. She's coming back and she's gonna be fine, she's coming back.
Speaker 2:She's gonna be like irish film.
Speaker 3:She did a christmas special I'm gonna fuck paris hilton because I bet she's wild in bed yeah, I probably am too, and also, like we've seen, yeah, and we've seen it, which she wasn't very good, though she was on the phone the whole time. Have you seen the video?
Speaker 2:she's actually just on the phone.
Speaker 3:I'm not into skinny well, but I just I'm gonna fuck her at once, okay, and then I'm gonna be Kim Kardashian, because, because she's a billionaire, she has a bunch of cute kids. Um, and I should not say this out loud, but I'm going to. I'm obsessed with Kanye West. Kanye West.
Speaker 5:Hmm.
Speaker 2:I can't help it To Kim's credit if you're caught up on the Kardashians which I believe you are, of course I am. Her actual work with prison reform. She's consistently doing shit. I don't care yeah how, what, why she's actually doing, and she's consistently been doing it for years and she's actually fucking affected change yeah, it's pretty awesome fucked up on how our country works, where celebrity can actually move doors, but to her credit she has somehow done this weird gap bridge between celebrity and actual social reform, prison reform and only she wasn't so like vain in the process maybe, but I think she's also a product of her parents and her environment.
Speaker 2:She has created something, but they were definitely formative in pushing this narrative of selling yourself as a celebrity, being your own brand so you want
Speaker 3:to have soul. Yeah, so what you're? We're leading up to your answer so you're going to have sex with her yeah, so you're gonna fuck her? Huh, I bet she'd do that I I think I'm a fucking killer um
Speaker 2:I think she would be more fun to have sex with in paris. But if you've watched paris's um cooking show, oh my god, do yourself a favor, get high and watch paris cooking show. It's fucking hysterical. She like opens cans and like makes spaghetti. It's hysterical.
Speaker 4:All right, so what's your answer?
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't like fucking Paris, but I can't fuck and be Kim.
Speaker 3:So what are you going to be Pressure's on?
Speaker 2:The terrifying part about being Kim is that you can't ever move throughout the world and you can never be anonymous, and I couldn't. I couldn't deal with being watched all the time, so I think I would have to be paris and fuck him paris is watched all the time.
Speaker 3:She's watched all the time, but, yeah, not as much, not as much.
Speaker 2:People are obsessed with the kardashians because they've maintained this accessible seemingly accessible lifestyle all right.
Speaker 3:So what are you gonna do? I'm gonna, I'm gonna fuck him, and I'm gonna be I'm gonna be paris hilton and you're gonna kill poor lindsey. She's been through the ringer, I know I?
Speaker 2:I killed her too, didn't I?
Speaker 3:She's also a product of her fucked up parents. Yeah, her parents are fucked.
Speaker 2:Her parents are terrible people.
Speaker 3:All right, dave Pressure's on. What are you going to do bud?
Speaker 4:I would like to have sex with Paris Hilton. Okay, perfect, I would like to.
Speaker 3:But given the situation.
Speaker 4:Yeah given this thing, giving this situation, I'll definitely kill the kardashian because I can't stand all that shit. Okay, that'd be lindsey lindman, yeah, the reason being that you're gonna come back. Well, she's, you know, whatever. I don't know much about her, to be completely fair, but she's actually an actress and, like, did a lot of actual work and like she was fucked up, but like parent trap yeah, like freaky friday yeah, you know, it seems like she went through some hard times with the celebrity and the parents and the money and I don't know.
Speaker 2:She got whored out as a child. Yeah, no, but by hand no.
Speaker 4:I know I was laughing that you just said whored out, she's the only one of the three that was actually in movies and TV as an actor, a child actor, right had natural talent that then was exploited by adults, and then she fell victim to fame and fortune and shitty fucking people in charge of her life yeah yeah
Speaker 2:and then you can see a few new terrible hallmark ready type movies on netflix.
Speaker 3:And her new face she's a mom now too, I think.
Speaker 5:I also just like alliteration.
Speaker 3:So do I. I like redheads. Is she a redhead yeah she's a redhead.
Speaker 5:They're the genetic gems.
Speaker 3:I love freckles too, I used to be kind of scared of redheads, but now I love them. Now I'm like anytime I see a male redhead I'm like, ooh babe.
Speaker 4:Shout out to Andrew Price.
Speaker 5:Who's Andrew Price? Who's Andrew Price? He's one of my friends. Okay, there you go. Is he ginger?
Speaker 2:oh yeah, oh sweet okay, we'll have to google him and get a link together.
Speaker 3:Yeah, hi, andrew Price, just kidding all right well, we did it guys. How's everyone feel? How you feel, dave?
Speaker 4:I feel great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was very nice chatting yeah, it was a pleasure having you, dear sir. Yeah, I'm learning about your legitimacy as a well-rounded person.
Speaker 3:All right, we're out, all right, snap. Happy sunday. Yep, happy sunday guys.
