Elli Richter is the founder of Subconscious Integrative Therapy and co-author of WTF is Human Design. She helps clients identify and clear subconscious blocks and unresolved stressors. Elli combines human design, psych K, nervous system care, and intuition training to help clients return to being the powerful co-creators of their reality. She shares her personal journey of growing up in a violent household, experiencing health issues, burnout, and a traumatic divorce. Through her own healing journey, she discovered the power of subconscious integrative therapy and the importance of addressing the subconscious mind. In this conversation, Elli Richter discusses her approach to somatic and subconscious integration using Psych-K, human design, and gene keys. She explains how Psych-K can help break trauma loops and create rapid transformation in just a few minutes. Elli also highlights the importance of understanding and working with the subconscious mind to uncover hidden beliefs and patterns. She shares a powerful story of a client who was able to release past trauma and shift his perception of himself through their work together. Elli emphasizes the need for openness, curiosity, and vulnerability in the healing process.
Elli’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ellirichter/
Elli’s Website: https://ellirichter.com/
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Elli’s Personal Journey
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Elli Richter is the founder of Subconscious Integrative Therapy and co-author of WTF is Human Design. She helps clients identify and clear subconscious blocks and unresolved stressors. Elli combines human design, psych K, nervous system care, and intuition training to help clients return to being the powerful co-creators of their reality. She shares her personal journey of growing up in a violent household, experiencing health issues, burnout, and a traumatic divorce. Through her own healing journey, she discovered the power of subconscious integrative therapy and the importance of addressing the subconscious mind. In this conversation, Elli Richter discusses her approach to somatic and subconscious integration using Psych-K, human design, and gene keys. She explains how Psych-K can help break trauma loops and create rapid transformation in just a few minutes. Elli also highlights the importance of understanding and working with the subconscious mind to uncover hidden beliefs and patterns. She shares a powerful story of a client who was able to release past trauma and shift his perception of himself through their work together. Elli emphasizes the need for openness, curiosity, and vulnerability in the healing process.
Elli’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ellirichter/
Elli’s Website: https://ellirichter.com/
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Elli’s Personal Journey
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Carli (00:02.278)
So we should have been recording five minutes ago because the amount of gold that Ellie has already spit is wild. I need to learn to start recording sooner. But today I have a very special guest. Ellie Richter is a founder of Subconscious Integrative Therapy and co -author of WTF is Human Design. Ellie, thank you so much for being here and sharing your energy with us today.
Elli (00:25.038)
I'm so excited.
Carli (00:26.822)
I want to give a little bit of bio background because what you do is really awesome. And our conversation and our questions might not really get to the crux of it because we're probably going to go on tangents. We have so much in common and I'm just so excited. So I really want to lay a foundation if I can from your website just to share your work with people and then we'll talk. So Ellie helps clients identify and clear subconscious blocks and unresolved stressors, which can be traumas.
so that they can feel like themselves again, release self -sabotage, build positive habits and patterns, reach their goals, manifest with ease and live life fully. Here are some examples of what her clients are working with when they come to her. Generational trauma, root cause healing for chronic pain, illness and disease, which is 100 % my wheelhouse. So this is a very synergistic. Fertility issues.
Money blocks, life transitions like divorce, breakups, moving, loss, grief, addictions, creating success without hustle, amen. Relationship issues, chronic guilt and shame, body image issues, eating disorders, low self -worth, self -sabotaging habits, playing small, fears, phobias, anxiety, depression, PTSD, weight loss, attracting love, my goodness.
Ellie combines human design, psych K, nervous system care and intuition training to help you return to being the powerful co -creator of your reality and be able to create a life you love. Mike Drop sister. Wow. I mean, seriously, my whole body is lighting up. And what I wanted, I just shared with Ellie and what I want to kind of share, cause I love to kind of just share with the audience my connection to my person that I'm about to talk to you is that,
Elli (02:06.286)
I'm sorry.
Carli (02:19.91)
You know, some people on Instagram, you know them intricately just because they open and they share and you know, the algorithm brings them up a lot. And then there's people that just kind of float in and out. I have always felt so connected to Ellie. This is the first time we're speaking, but she's a presence on Instagram that's just positive and uplifting and speaks to my soul. I don't know how else to say it. The subjects you speak about, I know there's something here for me and that means there's something here for my audience. So we have a lot of
We'll have to chat about, but to start, can you just share where you're from a little bit? Let's have some color about you and where you're from and how you found this work. And I know that's a big question you can take as little or as much time as you want, but I want to know about you.
Elli (03:03.662)
Thank you so much for that introduction. And I love how energetics work even despite algorithms, you know, the right people always find each other. And so it all kind of started with me. It well.
Let me backtrack because I think storytelling is an important part of how people can relate to each other, right? So I grew up in Germany and I, at the time, you know, I'm in my late forties now, at the time it was still very normal that parents would beat their children. So I grew up in a house with a lot of violence and erratic behavior. And my dad was doing the best he can and he would often have explosive outbursts and him and I, we butted heads.
a lot. And so I disassociated early on and had a lot of health issues early on as a reflection of constant dissociation. I also remember at a certain age when there was constant arguments and fights and violence that I decided to stop crying. I remember I was about 13 and I was looking around the dinner table and everybody was crying and I was like...
I started to think if it's weak and I didn't want to be weak anymore and powerless. So I decided to get angry and instead not cry anymore, which, you know, if anybody has an understanding of emotions and what that can cause in the body, it just goes deeper into your body and just starts to show up as symptoms to tell the person like, hey, there's unresolved stuff. So I didn't know that at the time, obviously, this was a long time ago. There wasn't any awareness around that. So I started to develop
chronic migraines, digestive issues, eating disorders I would binge eat. And then I got under active thyroid and a lot of that stayed undiagnosed. And when I went to the doctor at the time, they would just tell me to eat more fiber and drink more water type thing. And not to blame the doctors at the time again, this was a consciousness what like 30 years ago, you know, so really, we weren't where we are now. So at 19, I had my first burnout, I was basically
Elli (05:15.232)
for weeks burned out. I had started working at an all -female gym and started doing personal training and group fitness and started to get really, really passionate about movement. And I think in hindsight, what I loved the most about it were two things. One, guiding other women that my gift had come online. You know, my energy type is of such that that's what I'm meant to do, create win -wins and...
help other people. And so that felt really good. And then the being in the body felt really good. It felt really good to move and to intentionally move. I was teaching aerobics, you know, and step aerobics and stuff like that. And so your mind is where your body is while you're at that time. And I was so disassociated and so living in constant trauma response. I had started smoking cigarettes, started smoking pot, started partying. Even though a part of me stayed responsible, another part of me really like rebelled.
You know, so by 19, I had all these health issues and this massive burnout. And I was just kind of really burned out physically and emotionally. In hindsight, my human design is manifesto. So I'm a non -energy type. And what basically happened, I was living out of alignment with my energy type. I'm not meant to exercise as hard as I did at the time. I was exercising several hours a day. I was teaching 19 group fitness classes a week, completely like a manifesting generator.
type, you know, we'll talk about human design types in a moment, but I was just really not understanding my energy and harnessing it. I was living like I thought I should, always doing, always moving. I thought I should do that and I thought that's healthy based on the programs that I grew up around and that I've been taught in the fitness space. So after that burnout, I started, I was on a vacation with my mother and somehow a book found me and a book is similar to the body.
and keep score.
Elli (07:11.438)
And I was talking about the emotional root causes of disease and all my light bulbs and I was 19 at the time and I was like, my goodness, this is it. You know, and I remember telling my mom, it's all your fault. It was really funny. Not really, but so that my dad had always told me that he wanted me to study medicine and become a doctor. He would introduce me. This is Elizabeth. She's going to become a doctor. Now, Elizabeth, me, Ellie, I wanted to study music and I was playing violin.
and I was really musical and artistic, but I was kind of taught that that's not good enough and that you can't make any money and I didn't have the subconscious program to pursue it. I believed I needed to do something academic. I believed I needed to please my father. That was the program I grew up with. I heard it again and again and again. Everyone in my family was very educated. My dad was very smart, valued education and academia. So I didn't have the courage to...
to study music and I didn't feel good enough. And I was, then I wanted to study fashion, which is still a big passion of mine. And my dad was like, nope, nope, nope, you know? So I ended up going for the medical test.
And you know how divine intervention, the universe is always on your side, God, soul, spirit, whatever. It turned out that that day the train was late, the cab driver didn't know where he was going. And I got into the testing center for the medical test, super discombobulated. My nervous system was like, so I missed the test to get into medical school by one point, exactly one point.
divine redirection. So then I was like, shit, what do I do now? I was programmed my whole life to become a doctor, you know? And then I took the next best thing that seemed to make sense. It was physical therapy. I had loved, you know, movement and the physical body. And I was like, okay, that's at least adjacent, you know? And then I did a physical therapy degree. I loved it. But once I got into the actual work, it was very much like every 20 minutes, like,
Elli (09:13.23)
bodies coming through and just by the time I had some sense of what the person needed, the time is up, you know, and it was just, again, not right for my energy type and I felt ineffective. And during that time I met my ex -husband, he was an athlete in the town, I was working and we started dating and there was all sort of trauma bond, but that's for another podcast. Basically, we trauma bonded and I was 23, followed him to the States, we got married at 23.
Carli (09:35.398)
Hahaha!
Elli (09:42.702)
So my frontal lobe wasn't even fully formed. It was truly kind of like I thought it was love and really I was running away but also running towards something. And in hindsight, it was really one of the best choices I've ever made and I would do it again. And then we got married and at first my degree wasn't transferred, you know, my degree of physical therapy and I was very frustrated. I was like, wow, I just completed this whole education. Now I can not.
use it. And so I defaulted back to the physical training. You know, I started coaching people in the gym again, working as a holistic personal trainer as holistic nutrition coach, I got really into the wellness thing. See in America, it's like, you know, it was already a thing. And this was 20 years ago. And I remember combining physical therapy with personal training and giving my clients really great, you know, solid workouts that were really integrated and the
time very cutting edge, it was super cool. But I also was burned out from that, you know, and so I kept on considering, well, what, what am I here for? What am I here for? And I still had this narrative in my subconscious that I needed a degree, that it needed to be academic. So when my ex -husband and I moved to Charleston, I went back to school for another degree in health education, exercise, science, and the side of psychology. And while I got into the psychology, I also started working with a spiritual mentor. I had
seen a communication workshop and I took it with my ex -husband it was phenomenal and that person that led it he taught conscious work shadow work conscious work and he was a very intense teacher so I was like sign me up you know I was still so primed to intensity so that teacher totally resonated with my dad's energy too and I was like okay let me just like
Do the conscious work. So I did that for eight years or so. I did a lot of studying with him and there was a lot of spirituality involved and the Course in Miracles and a lot of learning about yourself. Now, I did this in my mid -20s. So that meant...
Elli (11:48.27)
you know, he challenged me to stop drinking, to stop smoking, to basically get to know myself. And I did. And I got to know myself and did a lot of inner work, but all on a conscious level. And I say that because...
I learned a lot, but my subconscious program was still programmed to all the trauma and all the negative self beliefs that I grew up with. Because the subconscious doesn't change by just talking about it or affirming different things or having spiritual awarenesses. I didn't know that at the time. So to me, it was kind of like the more conscious work I did, the more stress I felt in my body over time. I knew a lot, but it wasn't fully translating and it was really hard. And so I kept on feeling like,
like I'm missing something and I just need another degree and another certification and another self help. So I read all the self help. I was a self help junkie. Now meanwhile, my relationship was didn't really work. And I didn't have the courage to leave. I felt like so codependent that I didn't feel like I could live on my own and it sounds
In hindsight, I'm like, wow, I really remember that I felt like without him, I would not be able to stand on my own two feet. I was so not sovereign.
You know, and so full of anxiety and self, low self worth and scarcity and fear and shame and trauma. And I had no words for that at all. All I knew is that the thought of him leaving or me leaving him was terrible. However, I also knew that something isn't working. Well, then 10 years into our relationship, it turns out that he'd been unfaithful for 10 years with different women in the yoga community. You know, I was a yoga teacher. I got a yoga teacher.
Elli (13:36.832)
teacher certification at the time and it's like my entire world as I knew it just erupted and I was 36 at the time and it was like falling through the sky with no parachute on but there was also an inner voice that was like
there's nothing wrong with me all along. Like I had the sense that there's something off and I always thought it's me because through the conscious shadow work, what I learned is it's always you, you know, and I, so I took full responsibility for everything in my life, but I overdid it a little bit. You know, like I was also like in that sense, I couldn't really feel my instinct because most of the time I was still disassociated. I was on this, I living on this mountain of trauma now adding a mountain of knowledge, but the trauma and the knowledge they weren't
a line, you know, I was operating on all this unconscious trauma and negative beliefs, but knew better. And then I knew better, but I couldn't do and feel better. So I beat myself up even more. So there was this constant inner critic. I mean, it was just debilitating, you know, and that showed up in my health as migraines, digestive issues, eating issues. And God, I was angry all the time and misaligned. It was just really, really painful. And in hindsight, I'm like,
wow, you know, that was really, really intense. And I think that's where a lot of people are that apply a lot of self help and talk therapy and affirmations and haven't addressed the subconscious. There's only very few things that do address the subconscious. And I know my life is sort of an example that has a lot of color and different experience in it. And maybe not everyone's life is the same way. But what I like about sharing the story, I'm on the other end of it. There's also a lot more to it.
it but and b it helps me there are so many stories I can tell that people can relate to of experiences you know of depression and anxiety that in hindsight it's like they were just trauma responses they weren't the root causes and they were also part of my body trying to show me where to go so it was really about learning to listen to my body so when my marriage ended
Elli (15:41.07)
and all my world as I knew it kind of fell apart. I had already been a life coach. I've been holistically life coaching because I really got into like the law of attraction and manifesting. And with that teacher, I was working a lot on like...
consciously co -creating my life, you know, and he was like, you're always responsible. You're responsible for your choices and you choose your life. And I've gotten sober. I didn't drink anymore. I didn't smoke anymore. So it's kind of like living a somewhat of a hermit like wellness life. There wasn't a lot of joy. You know, there wasn't a lot of playfulness. So that part of me that I think is the most important part of me, the playful part was kind of like on mute a little bit, you know, because it felt like I just have to follow the rules. And if I don't, I'm a fuck up. I'm
I'm a bad person, you know, and so there was just so much shame still. Then right after my divorce, finalized, my dad fell ill and died and the house we lived in was full of mold. So it was kind of like another many, many opportunities for grief and to actually learn to feel my feelings and be in my body. And during that time,
I just gave it up to the universe. I was like, wow, the tools that I have, they're not working. They weren't working for me during these grief times. And my clients, they only got results while they were working with me. But then as soon as they went back into their life and stopped doing their practices,
it would all kick back in and then they would come back and be like, well, I know I should do my practices, but there's like some block inside of me. And I was like, that's I'm having the same thing. Like what the fuck is going on? You know, and then I started to get into sound healing, subconscious work and all the different things to discover. OK, we actually have three minds. We have the subconscious, the conscious and then the super conscious, the higher self. And all I've been doing is developing my.
Elli (17:32.142)
connection to my super conscious and teaching my conscious new things, but I haven't actually integrated the subconscious. So then I was like, well, fuck, you know. Now, human design in the midst of all of that, where I was like, this is also now showing me we're all so different and I'm actually an energy type that's only 8 % of the population and what I thought I should do and need to do to be well.
Carli (17:40.358)
Mm -hmm.
Elli (18:01.134)
is not the right advice for me. That just tumbled my entire world another 180. So ultimately, a lot of trial and error experiences to lead me to co -create.
the approach that I have now. So what happened then, starting 2016, I was able to coach my dad to die. And I say, coach him to die because we had a really beautiful last month together and he never understood what I'm doing with my holistic life coaching and helping people manifest. He always said to me, I still have money for you, go into medical school.
Carli (18:35.046)
Elli (18:36.398)
He never stopped, but eventually when he was dying, he like, he finally said, I get it now what you're doing. You know, I was doing some energy medicine with him and I was just helping him and supporting him in the transition of leaving the meat suit, you know, and that the meat suit is going to pass, but he's eternal. And it was a beautiful full circle experience for both of us. That's a story for another day. But then afterwards, I was like, OK.
Give me something else, universe, because what I've been doing, there's something missing and I don't think it's knowing more. I think there's something else I need to unlearn all the shoulds and to unlearn thinking that I don't know enough and to relearn actually trusting.
the heart actually trusting the instincts, you know, I could spiritually bypass like a professional, I could intellectually bypass like a professional, but actually feeling my feelings in my body and then waiting for my intuition to guide me, that was very difficult. And I couldn't even name it, I couldn't even tell you that that was what I was missing, you know, I just knew I wasn't feeling.
myself or living the life that I meant to live. Everything felt hard. Everything felt like a big old should.
I was doing all the things, drinking the celery juice, doing the affirmations. Man, it was exhausting. And then more often than not, when something in my life happened, I defaulted to like cigarette smoking here and there, you know? And then I felt so much shame and I was like, my God, I'm a wellness professional. I'm a coach like, my God, and just shame, shame, shame. So long story short, the biology of belief, the book by Dr. Bruce Lipton found me through one of my friends who's a doctor.
Carli (20:21.986)
Mm.
Elli (20:23.758)
And we both read it together and we were like, my God, my God, you know, life changing. And in the end, Dr. Bruce Lipton talks about Psyche. So I went online and I looked up Psyche and he talks about it in all his books. And he talks about it in all his lectures because his friend, Rob Williams, is the founder of Psyche or the downloader of Psyche. They teach.
Carli (20:29.318)
Yes.
Carli (20:44.102)
Does he call it Psych -K in the book? Okay, I must have missed this. And this is, side note, while you keep with this amazing, mind -blowing story, this is what ultimately brought us together, because I saw Ellie post about Dr. Bruce Lipton, and if you've read his books and you understand how powerful his work is and timeless and ahead of his time, he is so special. And when she met him in person and posted on it, I reached out to her and I was like,
my goodness, this is so, you are so lucky. So continue, but that's the connection. That's actually our spark. And I love that you brought it up naturally. Okay. So he mentions it at the end of biology of belief. I did not know that.
Elli (21:15.502)
Yeah.
Elli (21:22.926)
Yes, so, and I went online and this was 2016. I went online and if you're listening, I'm really sorry if I'm hopping like a whole lot around because there's, I'm hoping that some of these stories just spark things for you as you listen. And...
Carli (21:35.334)
No, this is so good. It's so good.
Elli (21:40.686)
and I tried out PsyK, you know how people are, at least me, I see something and I'm like, I'm just gonna try this out, I don't need to train it, I'm just gonna use it. In my arrogance, I was just gonna, let me use it. And it actually worked somehow, but my conscious mind couldn't accept that change can be that easy and that there's a tool that's actually this fast and effective because it was challenging again my entire paradigm I've been taught.
that life is difficult, hard, that change is hard, that healing and growth and manifestation is very difficult and takes a long time and that it cannot be easy, especially not for me. So I'm over here and for everybody else it's easy, but not for me because I also believed that I'm separate and I also believed I don't belong and I also believed I can't do things the same way people can. There were all these negative beliefs that kept me from accepting that psyche is even a possibility for me, that it could be that easy. So...
I remember dismissing it for two more years. Now, during those two years, 2017, 2018, my health journey just kind of continued to be crappy. You know, I continued to do holistic life coaching and I was in a relationship and the relationship issues that I was facing, it's like, man, this is like daddy issue central. I know talk therapy doesn't work for me because I can talk my face off. We can put all the awarenesses together. I know where it's coming from, but...
What do I do with this trauma? What do I do with these negative beliefs? Like I could tell you that I didn't believe I was good enough. I could tell you all my fears. I could tell you all my wounds, but I didn't have a means to change it. And talk therapy didn't offer that means to change. I had done enough self awareness and inquiry work to know the root causes. I just needed a tool to freaking change it, you know?
So then again, I was like, fuck it. Maybe I just need to quit my entire career, you know, divine intervention. I go on the old gram and see Jenna Zoe, who was my favorite human design teacher. Yeah. Right. So, and then I had posted about, and she's a projector like huge. She had posted about her cousin, I think, I think her cousin, Gina.
Carli (23:45.798)
best.
Carli (23:54.342)
Jenna Sophia.
Elli (23:55.678)
And Jenna did or does psyche as well. So I was like, I've heard about this and I looked it up.
And I had the tab open for a couple more months. And then probably after the nap, after the next kind of anxious avoidant attachment style cycle that I had with that partner, I was like, I need to do something. And I'm kind of the person I like to help myself and then help others with it. You know, so I went to the training and within the first five minutes, I was like, it went up my arm in my DNA and I was like, this is it. It's it just like the way I felt about.
human design. When I came to human design, I was like, this explains everything. And I understand, coming from a very scientific academic family, that it's a technology that came down and there's it's kind of like astrology, people have a hard time sometimes accepting these approaches. Now to me,
As a person that has worked with thousands of people in the last 25 years, people are so different and there's no advice that fits everyone. And I think it's a really challenging thing to give this generalized advice. Instead, I rather help a person be their own advisee and find their own way there. And human design does it. And so does Psychay. In Psychay, you're a partner with the person you're working with. You're not their therapist. You're not diagnosing them. You're not telling them what to do.
do with partners. And for me, I'm a Libre North node. It's all about win -win and partnership. So it felt really, really right, both of those things. So it was kind of like, finally, the things clicked, you know? And then as I started working with human design and psyche, my life just completely changed and the life of my clients completely changed and things just really started clicking into place. And then as I started using the tools, I also realized, well, people don't know
Elli (25:56.336)
how to regulate their nervous system so let me incorporate that. People don't know how to feel their feelings so let me incorporate that.
let me create, with a former business partner who was a therapist, she and I created certain pillars of healing together so that it's a really, really integrated way. And so that's kind of like in a nutshell, through trial and error, many certifications, many studies, how subconscious integrative therapy came alive. And I'm sort of the first client of it all, and the only one in my world. And so I get to share these tools with people all over the world that
want to liberate themselves. To me, our purpose here is to liberate ourselves from the shoulds and from the things that keep us from being authentic selves and being in connection with our gifts and being able to share them with others in ways that feel good and also pay your bills kind of thing, you know. So that's it.
Carli (26:51.942)
my gosh. If you even understood how much you and I are connected and similar, and I could take any sentence that you just beautifully articulated and go on eight hour tangents, but here's where we're going to go next is that the the the out of everything you just said, the thing that I think I really want to emphasize and share and we can elaborate on is and I'm kind of you're kind of calling out where I am right now. I am.
so consciously aware. And I have done so much work and all these things, and I'm also always trying to help myself first and then clients. That is how I learn. That is 100 % how I was brought into this world is to figure out myself. Like you, you have a story you have navigated and now you can talk from a place of knowing and it's very magical. So I'm in this place where I have finally identified within the past couple of years, how powerful the full, the subconscious is, where there are blocks.
and that these tools that I share with clients that I believe in are just also scratching the surface, right? The journaling and the affirmations and the law of attraction, all these things that are really powerful and I moved by aren't, they're not the end of the story, right? So I have hired, I've had mentors who are, I don't even know what you would call them, they're energetic practitioners who might find the subconscious beliefs and they're clearing them for me.
And I have made amazing progress and it's been huge for me, but where I'm bumping up against, and I think you're, this is perfectly aligned, honestly, selfishly for me, this seems like the next step for me too, because the magic is when you can help yourself. And that's what I haven't, it's like I haven't had that teacher who has the power and the insight, but also the tools where I don't rely on them. That is where the magic is. So let's just take a moment to clarify.
You said so much powerful stuff, I don't even know if you know it, but when you have all that cognitive awareness, the consciousness, you've come online, which you're so lucky you came online in your 20s. I was late in my 30s. I'm jealous of that. Consciously aware of energetics and how the world works and how we are in surrender and how there's so much not in our control and all these things. The subconscious is programmed, is it by age seven? Okay. So when we're working,
Carli (29:15.91)
with the subconscious. And I know Psych K is very difficult to describe and I don't expect you to kind of clarify, but does that work look like a combination of talk therapy and energy work? Is it conversations? Is it movements? I just am so confused and I think this is why I've also avoided Psych K because I'm just not even sure what it is, but I, do you know what I mean? So maybe if you could just as much as possible just paint what it looks like if you and I were to sit down in a session.
Elli (29:45.966)
Yes, I think that's probably my biggest challenge with communicating this online and any psyche facility that will probably have this a similar. It's a set of processes that can involve that involves muscle testing to communicate with your subconscious and your super conscious.
and where you have different postures, sometimes you repeat a statement, sometimes you focus on a memory. So there are breathing techniques involved sometimes, but most of it is done sitting or lying down. You're fully conscious and you're working on restoring blood flow to the brain, opening the hemispheres and restoring what's called a whole brain state. So ultimately the goal is to come back to a whole brain state because when something happens like a trauma or negative beliefs, that means that there's a
disharmony and lack of congruence.
You know, so there's no congruence between mind, body and spirit. There's no congruence with the hemispheres. And when you're looping on a trauma, for example, let's say you had an experience, a loss, a death, someone bullying you. Let me just spit out a couple of examples that people come into session with. Bullying is a big one. Family abuse, sexual abuse, loss, divorce, being cheated on, relational stuff that happens.
job loss, like, you know, stress at work, a lot of times, health diagnoses or health issues, phobias, you know, just kind of
Elli (31:19.022)
all the fears are basically always coming from some sort of trauma. And sometimes it can be very benign, like trauma sounds, has an association that it has to be something super dramatic. So let me use the word stress. So anything that was stressful in your life, we're going to bring this to the surface, you know, and we're not going to downplay it. Like with talk therapy, sometimes your conscious mind can be like, yeah, that's in the past, or that wasn't a big deal on that person didn't mean it or whatever.
and then we force ourselves consciously to move on and forgive. But to the subconscious mind, it still might be alive. And the way we know that is by connecting to the body, because the body reflects what's going on in the subconscious mind. So if your body still holds stress,
then there's a subconscious open loop. And then I would ask you, well, how would you like to feel about this event? And say you've been bullied, you know, and you would say, well, I'd like to be at peace about it and feel confident and like it had nothing to do with me. Or I would like to feel at peace and not attached about it and would like to feel safe, you know, in relationships. And then we would muscle test if there's any stress in your system about the event. If we're working virtually, I do the muscle testing on your behalf.
but you still do all the other stuff and then you would if your higher self gives you permission to go ahead and clear the situation then your higher self would also tell us what process to use so we're using muscle testing to communicate
Is it safe and appropriate? And then we're also using muscle testing to communicate what of the 10 or more psyche processes does your higher self want you to do. So it's not me doing anything on you or for you. What I love about this process is you are healing yourself using the technology of psyche. What's helpful about working with a practitioner is that practitioners can be a mirror, can ask questions and can help you see things that you don't see on your own. And that's the value of
Carli (33:14.182)
Mm.
Elli (33:24.528)
having a practitioner. You can learn to facilitate psyche with yourself and with others and the benefit of having a practitioner is the benefit that you have of a therapeutic container where someone can really ask questions and guide you to get to the root of things which a lot of times on our own we're standing in the forest and don't see the tree you know so that then then after your higher self gives you permission and selects the process then you're doing the process. Each psyche process takes a few minutes.
Carli (33:25.99)
Yes.
Carli (33:45.062)
So true.
Elli (33:54.4)
Some of the bigger processes and each process is called a balance might take up to 20 minutes, but usually
When you're working with say one traumatic event, it takes about five minutes. I have a couple of people that are EMDR therapists that are coming to me for a psych and their own healing. And from what I understand from them is that when you, for example, do EMDR, which is a recognized modality to also help with trauma, it can take up to 90 minutes to work with one memory, whereas with psych, it takes about five minutes. So my, my Germanness really loves the quick and effectiveness,
Carli (34:27.27)
That's incredible.
Elli (34:32.112)
especially after basically 20 years of doing it the hard way, I really felt like called to, and it was mind -boggling to me, the first three months of using Psychay and experiencing it, it was extremely humbling. It's like an ego death.
because I recognized that everything that I thought was really not true and that the way I thought and what I needed to do to change wasn't really true, it was much simpler than that. So it's a really simple, very clean, I call it like spiritual surgery. And so the process itself, you don't go into hypnosis, you don't lose consciousness, you're fully there.
in your choosing each process. So let's say after you close that loop, once we celebrate it and let it change, we celebrate together because it's a big deal, then I ask you what else is coming through? What else do you want or need? And then you listen to your intuition. You might be like, I need to believe that I'm safe. And then we craft a belief statement. And you might want to choose like, I am simply I'm safe. Or you might choose a belief like I'm safe in my body or
I'm safe in my relationships or something like that. It's always about what is most emotionally meaningful for you at the time. And then again, we go through the process of checking is it safe and appropriate. There's always that safety protocol and then going through the brain balancing process and celebrating afterwards. And it's a little bit like peeling the onion and through the questions I asked. So this is where where it's really helpful.
to have a practitioner that you resonate with. You know, my energy is very, I'm a manifesto. So my energy penetrates and we get straight to the truth. So a person that wants rapid transformation, wants to take responsibility for their life, wants to change their life, is a person that would want to work with me. You know, and I've had some experiences with some energy types where they felt so much shame about,
Elli (36:39.502)
their experiences, they weren't ready and willing yet to be open and honest. All it takes for this to really work well is to be open and curious. And to, even if you feel shame, to feel the shame and let it come out anyways. And so the only thing that could basically prevent you from getting good results is not being fully transparent with yourself. And sure, not everyone is there. So I often meet people that have done extensive talk therapy,
Carli (36:49.574)
Mm.
Elli (37:09.408)
many years and then have discovered all their limiting beliefs and really want to just clear it and are no longer in shame spirals about it, so that I'm much more ready to like...
roll all that out. So that's kind of how a session looks. And I usually work with people over the course of a couple of months, because most people that come to me have a variety of several different ways that trauma and negative beliefs have manifested in their lives. A lot in body, you know, health, especially if you have health issues, I usually work with people over longer. If it's money or relational stuff that can move a little quicker, you know, but health and body because it's dense matter.
Carli (37:47.654)
Mmm.
Hmm.
Elli (37:51.054)
We usually work together for many, many months and I enjoy difficult cases. I enjoy the stuff where people have tried all the things and are at their with end and then they come to subconscious work and it's like, it's just wonderful. And I have so many stories of people.
just coming out of anxiety and depression and almost forgetting that they ever had these issues. Because once you shift your consciousness, you also, it's like amazing how your consciousness works. You don't have to battle against it every day. It's literally a new program. You know, so with alcohol, for example, a lot of people want to stop drinking or stop doing certain pattern. Once you really get to the root cause, for me, I never think about drinking alcohol. It's not a battle that I need to fight. I never think about it.
about smoking cigarettes anymore. It's not a battle I fight anymore. And before when I quit without psychic and subconscious change, there was a lot of efforting to not do those behaviors, you know, and I had to really choose it oftentimes, especially on weekends when I was around other people. Now I think about drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes as little as I think about eating my dog for breakfast, you know, never.
Carli (39:02.982)
I love that. That's where I am with alcohol right now. I don't like it. I see it as poison. Old Carly liked it a lot, but I still indulge. So there's something there. It's like, why are you choosing that? And I think it's part trying to crack open the playful side of me that is I'm just a highly functioning mama. And it's an easy entrance into that. But then I never.
feel good the next day. I don't feel good about the choice unless it's some crazy high quality biodynamic wine that I really enjoy the taste and the experience. It's rare that I feel fully good about the decision. So there's some dissonance there for sure that I would love to dive into. And we're going to, my sweet Ellie, we're going to do this work because this is so fun. But I don't know if it's the projector in me or I have a little German too that loves the efficiency. And people who go through years of therapy, how freeing to think that you can five minutes.
for a deep trauma and there's, reflecting what you said, there's trauma big T and there's trauma little T, but that trauma little T still gets in there and will change your decisions. And also our whole reality is a creation of our subconscious. So that's where the frustration I think comes in. If you're into manifesting in the law of attraction, it's like,
Elli (40:00.59)
Yes.
Carli (40:24.166)
You know you can change your mind, you can change your reality. Dr. Joe Dispenza, that is all real science -based work. But if you've got subconscious blocks you're not even aware of, your reality is being created from that. So these are the things that if people are looping, and I'm also so grateful for this new outlet of referral because in my work, I'm working with the physical body, lifestyle, supplements, food, right? And that can change your energy, your frequency, clear out things.
But when people are stuck, I promise you I know why. It's not because of this work, it's because of something subconscious or mindset. And I bump up against a wall because all the work that you've done, I've spent all that time doing my work. And so I'm aware of it, but I don't have those tools and I try to nudge people and I try to gather referrals. But it seems like this could be that beautiful, perfect last block of here's how you complete the cycle. If you're doing all the things physically,
You've got subconscious mindset work to do and how freeing to know that there's this outlet. And I've been dancing around it. I've solved Jenna. I love Jenna Zoe, her cousin, Jenna Sophia. I read about PsyK. I've seen you. It's really you and Jenna Sophia have been the PsyK. And I just have been so confused what it is. So thank you for sharing. It makes more sense to me now how it works. And I think there's a whole nother layer of understanding when I do it.
Elli (41:47.278)
Yeah.
Carli (41:48.07)
But what I want to dovetail into now is we've referenced human design a whole heck of a lot. You have a book called WTF, so it is human design. So you're probably the perfect person to ask. I don't think I articulate it well. I think if people follow me, they know how much I love it and how it's absolutely changed my life. Big ask, but could you just try to give an intro of what it is and then you can talk about how you work with it.
Elli (42:14.574)
Jenna Zoid does such an amazing intro and I'm probably going to butcher it. It's like she, it's a way to understand the blueprint of your life and your energy and help you really become or remember who you came here to be, recognize your gifts and embody them. And it's to me kind of astrology on crack. So there's several influences that are more esoteric like astrology, Kabbalah, the chakra system and I Ching and then quantum physics.
So it's very mechanical. And there's five different energy types that we're basically learning that we're all here to differentiate. We're all different. And why I was so excited about it at the time that it came into my life is because I was mostly in wellness. I was in wellness and I was in holistic life coaching. And when I was coaching people,
sometimes the things that I would say or suggest would totally work for a person and totally not work for the next person. I'm like, isn't that interesting? You know, and so anytime you start working with people one -on -one as a therapist or a practitioner or in any kind of helping profession or doctor, you'll know, you'll notice how different people are than that. Some people are very high energy and other people need a lot more rest. And some people,
are consistent in certain things, other people not. And so how do you find a way to have a blueprint? And when human design came into my life and I learned that I was a manifester, it helped me so much. And I love from a subconscious perspective, it helps you understand how deeply programmed you are and in what way. And so people like you and I, for example, non -energy types, you're a projector, I'm a manifester. There's energy types that have consistent energy.
called manifesting generator and generator. And there's non -energy types that have inconsistent energy like you, me and reflectors. And when it comes to the wellness world, for example, you and I were programmed to believe that we should exercise every day. However,
Elli (44:24.59)
I don't know about you, but what actually is my biggest medicine is rest. And not just when I'm sick and not just when I'm going through things. I'm not talking about the rest that everyone needs when they're going through a hard time. I'm talking about generally speaking. Generally, to thrive in my life, the best thing I can do is lay in bed for an entire day.
Carli (44:31.334)
Absolutely.
Carli (44:48.422)
I'm still working on this. I really am. I was a college athlete. I mean, you work out sometimes twice a day. And yeah, there's a lot of layers there. But yes, this is something I'm actively working on. And isn't it interesting how hard it is? You'd think it'd be easy to do less. I'm reading a book now called Do Less. I'm not kidding, because I'm working on this.
Elli (45:06.094)
No, and that's.
Elli (45:10.35)
Well, you can basically stop reading all the things. Yeah, but that's just you're an experimenter, right? So you're 6 '2", that means you love experimenting. And just to point out, you're bumping up against your program. So it's not about knowing more or learning more. It's about integrating that knowing.
Carli (45:12.838)
I'm such a learner.
Elli (45:35.95)
so that it becomes your being and your doing. And so a lot of people take a lot of action, but are still operating on old programs. So even the action don't lead into the results that they could. That's why I love actually starting with a subconscious change before behavior change. I help people change their lifestyle all the time. However,
we make the subconscious change first so that the lifestyle change is really really easy and you're basically programmed as a former athlete that that's what you should do you know and when you're not doing it there's conflict between your programs and your conscious knowing and that conflict usually shows up as dysregulation in the nervous system because the subconscious mind governs the nervous system so
Carli (46:25.702)
100 %
Elli (46:27.15)
And so then you lay there and you're like, you want to rest, but your mind is going a million miles an hour. And it's like, I should be moving and like, what if I get fat and it's like all the programs and the fears and the conditioning that aren't you, however, they are in your subconscious. So when you then use psyche or subconscious reprogramming, it's safe for me to rest. I'm worthy and deserving of rest. You can clear any fears of getting fat or, you know, and I'm, I'm saying these out loud because most people feel so
ashamed to say those fears out loud but they're so common you know and it's really not about that it's just a fear of losing control you know it's a fear of unworthiness you know and the fear of not belonging man there are so many fears and we have all these control mechanisms to keep all that shame like nicely tucked away you know so ultimately when we try to do something that our subconscious is not on board with we'll fear anxious.
Carli (46:59.014)
Sure, sure.
Elli (47:26.51)
or depressed. It took me a long time to unlearn hassle. And it's such a pleasure to work with projectors and get
deprogram the hustle and when you first have that glimpse of an actual rest, not just pausing and resting but continuously spiraling, but the actual like experience of your mind being at peace and your joy coming back online. Jenna is always such a great example. She's a projector. All she does for movement is currently walking and dancing that works for her because for her energy type, that's right. That wouldn't be right or feel the same way for a man
They may need more, or if you have a defined root center and from time to time you need to jump up and down. So it gets so cool and so interesting when you look at someone's human design and you're like, okay, have you tried this and consider this and play around with this and you're an experimental learner. I don't think you need to know more and not to tell you what to do. But it sounds to me like you're smart as a whip. Now it's just really about...
Carli (48:29.166)
I'm sorry.
Elli (48:35.822)
unlearning all the stuff that keeps you from embodying all that knowledge.
Carli (48:40.614)
So true. And I love that you work with a subconscious first because my mom is a Manny Jen Capricorn. I never saw her rest. She never went to the spa once. Never saw her take a nap. And that is what I'm, I still, honestly, I know it's in my, it's living in my body. That is living in my subconscious because up here, I know what I'm doing. Yesterday I had a cancellation in a client.
And I was proud of myself because I went and laid down. I came back from a trip and I've been trying to recover from the trip and I'm just tired and I was so proud of myself. But did I deeply rest? No, because I'm still working. It's stuck in my body. So that's what I was referring to earlier where I have this awareness. I'm fully aware, especially after talking to you today, this is my next step. There's still stuff in my subconscious and I want to work with someone instead of having someone work on me, right? That's the empowerment. And I feel the same way with my clients. I'm like,
Elli (49:30.894)
Yeah.
Carli (49:39.654)
I'm not the dictator here. I don't tell you to just drink more water. We're a team. You're in your body. I care about your intuition. I'm not, I cannot tell you the same thing as someone else. And there's so many times I wish I could read a human design chart because there's so much magic there. And I only know a lot about projectors and some things about manifestors because of my children and my family. And I try and pick up things, but to be able to look at someone's chart and understand how their energy operates in this world so they can thrive.
It is the most valuable gift. And learning about being a projector, that changed my life because of the whole rest thing. Because I'm slowly shedding the guilt about how low energy I truly am. I used to blame it on chronic fatigue, adrenal fatigue, and sure, there's probably some of that happening. But it's because I was out of alignment, energetically. So the fact that you've come to this place, you have very powerful tools that you're combining in this integrative approach.
Elli (50:29.646)
Yeah.
Carli (50:37.862)
And the pillars on your website are super powerful. Let me see if I can pull that up. Subconscious reprogramming. So this is what somatic and subconscious integration looks like. So subconscious reprogramming, using psych K to break trauma loops, embodiment, feeling your feelings like you said, purposeful understanding, exploring your gifts and purpose via human design and gene keys. This is so good. Intuition recognition.
strengthen your intuition and enhance your decision making and self -trust. I have very strong intuition, but it's easy to bypass and ignore it because this is very active as well. And then the last pillar is somatics and nervous system. So utilize somatic and that means body practices and nervous system regulation to feel safe. This is huge. So many people, this, you know, I've learned a couple pieces of this, but if you have the dinosaur grip when you're sleeping, right, there are certain things that it's like that.
means you're kind of in fight or flight, right? Cold hands and feet. There are these things that we can just blame on other things, but it's like, there's all these signs. Your nervous system is on high alert and you also have one more post that you pinned that I loved. And it's like, it's easy to recognize out of control as having imbalance, but the people who are hyper vigilant, I would categorize myself as hyper vigilant sometimes, just the what ifs, the worrying, the.
Where is everyone? Is everything together? Is the house together? Is this, you know, and it's like, whoa, where's the surrender? Where's the trust? Because right here, consciously, my faith system believes in surrender and knowing that my children, if I'm not around, there is my higher self is with them. I know that they have spirit guides. I believe in God. Those are all in place, but embodying it is a different story. And that's truly the, I mean, to be transparent, I'm working on that myself.
And I'm really excited to get there.
Elli (52:39.982)
Yeah, I mean, that's exactly like where I was and what I'm what I'm hoping to communicate with people. It's not about that you're broken or that you're wrong or that you're not good enough and that all those fears are indeed true. It's that there's just a missing piece, you know, and the missing pieces, I call it the ocean. Like to me, it's kind of like.
There's the conscious knowing, the super conscious beliefs, and then there's the ocean of the subconscious. And the body and our behaviors and what's showing up in our lives reflects to 95 % of subconscious programs. And it's so interesting. That's why on my website, you'll see I work with all kinds of stuff because everything is based on a subconscious program. And I don't niche it because it's fascinating to me. Like I actually have a...
I had a session, such a wonderful session with the client and I actually asked him for permission afterwards to share on this podcast. I told him, we're going to have a podcast tomorrow.
Could I share the session? So if we still have a little bit time, because it's all beautiful. And he was like, of course, if it helps someone else, all the, you know. So he's a young man that came to me originally with way low self -esteem issues and lack of confidence in dating. And we have done work together and do our sessions.
Carli (53:40.134)
Yes, please.
Elli (54:03.022)
about once a month, you know? And so I see him once a month or once every two months. So yesterday he came in and he now has a very wonderful girlfriend and lives with her and it's beautiful. And so he's working on the next layers type thing, you know? And so he came in and he shared that he felt really disconnected and isolated in his martial arts class. And he started up martial arts because we had talked about that, you know, we had cleared some of other behaviors. He was
kind of using porn and food and weed to cope with unmanageable feelings. And he had the courage to share that with me, you know, this is a young man, you know, and he was very courageous sharing that. And so we worked on the hidden benefits that these behaviors had. And it was
the hidden whenever you work with addiction or patterns of self -sabotage you look at the hidden benefits so we cleared those hidden benefits and he was able to instead of doing those things channel it into something that felt better to him martial arts you know and he shared with me that he felt like an outsider that he felt like all the bros talk the bro talk and he's not interested in sports so much and he's started to feel isolated and not good enough
So I asked him, have you ever felt this way before? And he's like, yes. You know, we explored where has he felt that way before in his own family or in high school. And he started to share that it was high school and that even his own family kind of started to make him feel a little bit like he's too weird and too different and that there's just something wrong with him and that he's not normal for the things that he liked. And he was he's just very creative and a very creative, thoughtful, intuitive young
man. So what he wanted to believe, what he chose as a belief change was that something along I can still
Elli (55:58.606)
it's safe for me to be myself or it and I'm still a good person or something along those lines. He needed to know that he's still a good person even though he's different. Something like it's okay for me to be different and I'm still a good person. And then after that his consciousness had shifted. He was in a whole brain state and he started to realize that actually those bros reminded him of his first stepdad and his first stepdad was very violent with him and erratic and
he had some of that bro energy. He was into sports, he was into hunting and these guys that he's in this martial arts class with remind him a little bit of a stepdad.
And so we then went into a painful memory that he had with his stepdad where he was beating him and he was able to cry and release that. And afterwards really realize none of these guys at his current martial arts studio have made him feel bad. They all like him. You know, I asked him, has anybody told you that you're a weirdo or made you feel like you're not? And he's like, no, it's an, I joked, is the call coming from inside the house? You know, he's like, no, this evolved enough at this point to know and understand.
Carli (57:04.71)
Yeah.
Elli (57:08.304)
understand it's his perception, his stories he's making up, that he's not good enough and his pattern of isolating and avoiding. When really those guys were very much like encouraging of him. But the most beautiful part happened at the end of the session, where, you know, he shared, well, my the guys always tell me that I'm such a machine.
Let me backtrack. So when he was working with the memory with his stepdad, he imagined also beating the shit out of his stepdad and standing up for himself. And I said to him, in your thoughts, you're free. You can imagine whatever helps you. So he always imagined beating the shit out of him and standing up for himself. And he shared with me that at this martial arts studio, when he did go into the ring and start sparring and fighting, that his friends would tell him that he turns into a different person, that he becomes like a major fighter.
you
And I was encouraging him, well, maybe now you can share what this is actually about, that you're just releasing all this pent up energy that you didn't feel safe releasing when you were a kid. And he started crying. He was like, I'm going to share that with the guys. And I said to him, you know, nine times out of 10, they probably have a similar experience and are probably going to be so excited to bond with you over something that's real versus bonding over what we have in common with sports.
or the superficial stuff. Everybody yearns to connect.
Elli (58:34.574)
And it's just sometimes this little bit of vulnerability that we need to see the humanness in someone else and that we all share stories. And knowing that about him makes you fall in love so much more with this person. And he's such a beautiful being. He is so thoughtful, so kind, you know. And yeah, he felt different his whole life, like so many of us. So many of us feel different and feel like we don't belong. But it's really just wounding. And then the perceptions that form based on
the traumatic experiences that we had. It's not just what happened, but it's also what we make that mean about ourselves. And he made what happened mean that he's too different, that no one likes him, that people won't accept him, and that he needs to isolate, and that he just is not smart enough, basically.
And he's worked enough on himself to realize Carl was coming from inside the house. That wasn't actually what was going on, but he still felt that way. So he was willing to do the necessary painful work and it was beautiful. And it was really one of my favorite sessions with him because he's so open and curious because at this age in his early twenties, there isn't a lot of ego yet that has formed that defense mechanism says form. So he's still very curious with himself. So for this work, all it takes is that you put a
Carli (59:38.79)
Mm.
Elli (59:53.52)
what you think you know and just get really open and curious.
Carli (59:57.926)
I love that story. That's so sweet.
Elli (01:00:00.622)
It's so sweet and so profound too. Because this could have also been a man growing up with violence issues, without his willingness to heal himself, he may have passed, he could have passed on the pain on himself or others. He was already on a self -destruction train numbing himself out. So it's a beautiful, absolutely beautiful story and I'm so in awe of his willingness.
Carli (01:00:03.686)
and
Carli (01:00:27.302)
Thank you for sharing that. I'm very impressed with this human because yes, the young ego, you'd think that they're not willing to but he's doing work on himself and that's one of my favorite qualities in people. Just be open like you're saying, willing to work on yourself. I have so many clients that from my seat, I'm looking at their life like, wow, you are so blessed. And then when we get deep into it, they're just unhappy. And...
It's not because of these external things. It's deep stuff that I'm not accessing with my work, but I can see it. And they deserve to be happy and they're good people and they're in this spiral, this loop, like you called it. So there's such, this is beautiful hope for healing and efficient. I mean, I love efficiency. So this is awesome. I could talk to you for, I know I say this a lot, but like specifically you, Ellie, this is.
Such fun, such fun work and I love connecting with you. Thank you for your time today. Can you just share where people can find you?
Elli (01:01:31.021)
Yeah, so you can directly find me on Instagram, Ellie Richter. And I'm...
I don't have the bandwidth to be anywhere else. I always say, you know, TikTok, all those things. I just, I like my life very simple and peaceful. And it's, it's also, I, yeah. So I'm on, I'm, you can tell I'm a little bit brain dead. What you didn't hear this morning is that I'm on a low energy day today. So I'm a little bit dragging energetically. So I'm not as clear as I'd like to be. So to answer your question, you can find me on the old Instagram and then my website, ellierigda .com.
Carli (01:02:04.966)
beautiful and that I'm even that much more grateful that you were able to show up today not being your best self, which of course I would have understood if you wanted to change, but this was very, very special conversation. I will share your Instagram, your website. I can completely empathize with the not wanting to be everywhere. The only reason I'm on other platforms is because I'm getting someone to help me. I don't go though. I don't look at those other platforms. I never sign in, but apparently I exist there because yes, I am.
as you, a low energy being or not low energy, do you call it non -energy?
Elli (01:02:38.286)
It's a non -energy. It's just kind of like, you know, we just, I need a lot of rest and then I have urges where I have a lot of energy and then complete that, you know, and for projectors it's more like you have very efficient energy for a couple of hours a day and the rest of the day would be better to spend playing and resting and researching, but not necessarily like producing, you know? Yeah.
Carli (01:03:03.238)
That is me to a T. So I will share where people can find you and we will see everyone next time on The Wellness Frequency.
Elli (01:03:12.782)
Thank you so much.