The unspoken rules of running

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Phoebe: 0:00

Cheeky Run Club recognizes that every day we live, work and run on Aboriginal land. Welcome to episode.

Anna: 0:17

eight

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Eight of Cheeky Run Club, the social running podcast and community for your everyday amateur runner. Hello, Anna.

Anna: 0:28

and

Phoebe: 0:28

And hello, listeners.

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about running etiquette, the unspoken social rules of running. We're then

Phoebe: 0:36

We're then going to answer some very spicy listener questions in our No Stupid Questions segment, brought to you by Kick Run and finish it off with our weekly weapon. But first,

Anna: 0:48

first, let's kick it off with our notable runs of the week. Phoebe,

Phoebe: 0:52

give me your

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give me your best.

Phoebe: 0:54

know what I realized? You love starting with

Anna: 0:57

all started

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with best. You're like, I can't wait, I just Okay, my best run was on

Anna: 1:05

Thursday,

Phoebe: 1:06

last week, I actually now can't remember if it was Thursday or Friday. It was an easy, just an easy jog and I

Anna: 1:12

did that on Thursday?

Phoebe: 1:13

on Thursday. On Thursday. Thank you, Anna.

Anna: 1:15

that's right,

Phoebe: 1:16

Yes, that's right, it was Thursday. You're so right. And I did it with, two of our friends, Jaco and Izzy.

Anna: 1:21

Nice.

Phoebe: 1:21

And it, for number one, it was just a beautiful morning. Really still, calm, clear, not too warm, not too cold. Like, that's gonna set you up for a good

Anna: 1:32

Yeah.

Phoebe: 1:34

Number two, we had some great chats, some like, you know when just straight off the bat, great company. Jaco and Izzy just always have like interesting things that they're talking about. We got into like some really deep, like straight off the bat, just like some really good deep chats,

Anna: 1:48

What about?

Phoebe: 1:50

Um, I We spoke a lot about, um, Single sex schools versus covered schools. Yeah, yep, yep. Getting some like different opinions in there. Anyway, interesting chats. And then as we were running, we kept like, you know, when you run along the river in Richmond and you just keep running into people, you know, and so we like ran into Erdo and then we ran into Tom, my brother, and he

Anna: 2:12

still running! and

Phoebe: 2:13

still running. I know,

Anna: 2:14

though he knew, he wasn't gonna get a mention!

Phoebe: 2:16

he knew, yeah, and he joined, joined in with us for a bit, just like turned around. So it's just one of those really nice mornings where I felt like really lucky to be running in Richmond

Anna: 2:26

Yeah. Lovely.

Phoebe: 2:27

Tell me about your best run of the week.

Anna: 2:29

um, similarly, my best run was Thursday as as you said, just one of those mornings. I mean, you don't get them all that often in Melbourne, but just, yeah, perfect weather conditions. Beautiful sunrise. And I was running with one of our friends, Carly, I haven't run with just Carly for a little while and as much as I love running groups it's really nice to sometimes just run with one other friend and have a like proper catch up with them and see how they're going Cause I think the dynamic is like quite different talking one on one to when you're talking I just feel like it's a little bit more personal when It's just one on one. yeah. So, yeah, it was absolutely lovely. What was your worst run?

Phoebe: 3:12

My worst run was Tuesday morning. So,

Anna: 3:16

Oh.

Phoebe: 3:17

I had, I'm struggling at the moment. To get a good balance in my life, I feel, um, yeah, yeah, the perennial struggle

Anna: 3:28

Why is that?

Phoebe: 3:29

yeah, I feel like at the moment, you know, obviously, despite what listeners may think based on the amount of time Anna and I spend on this podcast, we both have full

Anna: 3:37

both have full time jobs

Phoebe: 3:38

that are quite demanding. Um, so no, I've been like working a lot. And then obviously, After hours where like loving just spending time working on the podcast, but then I'm also trying to fit in Pilates and yoga to like hopefully not get injured for once in my life and then do all the other things like sleep and

Anna: 3:57

Yeah. and

Phoebe: 3:58

socialize and so on.

Anna: 4:00

you're also moving house soon as well, which is

Phoebe: 4:02

Yeah, I mean, I haven't started doing

Anna: 4:04

Okay. Okay. I mean, it's fine. It's

Phoebe: 4:06

I show you my

Anna: 4:08

Yeah. Yeah.

Phoebe: 4:09

Yeah. Get by a bed.

Anna: 4:11

Yeah. Phoebe's notes for the podcast, is like, so, extensive, really well thought out, really long. yeah. Yeah. Just like, obviously a lot of work's gone into it anyway. And then she has a note for things she needs for the new

Phoebe: 4:29

Furnishing,

Anna: 4:29

Yeah. And it's I'm pretty sure the whole list is four words. It's like couch, lamps,

Phoebe: 4:35

couch, lamps, rug. Bed. And then I gave up. I was like, oh, surely there's a list I can find online of like what you need to buy

Anna: 4:43

to

Phoebe: 4:44

a house. Um, yeah, I'll deal with that when I'm in the house. Anyway, the last few weeks I've been trying different things to, Make myself more efficient and this week on Monday night. I decided to do a double Session at core plus is the Pilates yoga studio I go to. I, so I did Pilates then yoga but for whatever reason, the Pilates class, I just, I found unbelievably hard. I think it was just way harder than usual. and I've had quite a sore back anyway, and my back was like hurting during pilates, and then I got into yoga, and I honestly I was struggling so much, I was in, you know when. You can't do a pose and you just have to go into child's

Anna: 5:26

go into

Phoebe: 5:26

was like, I honestly considered

Anna: 5:29

whole

Phoebe: 5:30

Yeah! Yeah! I considered walking out, because I was like, I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm just, but I was over the other side of the room and I didn't want to do it the walk of shame, past everyone. so I stuck with it and then the other thing, those classes. I don't know why they have to be in a hot room. it's hard because I love the classes, but I'm getting so sick of being in a hot room. I just don't want it. I don't know if anyone has insight into why it is a good thing to do those sessions in a hot room.

Anna: 5:57

I feel like it's really nice when they're hot in winter. Yes But when it's hot and then it's also hot outside, it's just, it's a bit too much. But

Phoebe: 6:03

Yeah, but yeah, so I kind of cooked myself on Monday night and then that night when I was going to bed I was like, I think I'm not gonna do a session in the morning. I think I'm Still feeling a bit sore from the long run on the weekend. My calf was just feeling a bit tired, even on Monday when I ran. I was like, I'm not going to push this, I'm just going to go for a little jog. And so, instead, I just got up and went for a very gentle half hour run, but I treated myself cause I was feeling a bit sorry for

Anna: 6:30

for myself. And I'm doing

Phoebe: 6:32

trying too hard to do everything and I just can't do it all. And so I treated myself and I went to the beach and I ran along the bay and then I went for a swim afterwards and it was a really nice.

Anna: 6:41

but what, so it wasn't a very enjoyable,

Phoebe: 6:43

Yeah, I just, as I knew I would feel, I felt flat. I felt. really proud that I hadn't tried to a session because I love sessions. We both love the Tuesday morning sessions. So I was so tempted to do it, but I was like really proud that I pulled back and decided not to. Tell me about your worst run of the week.

Anna: 6:59

Worst run of the week? I've got two options. We have had a good week. We

Phoebe: 7:05

Yeah.

Anna: 7:05

Um, no. One of them's a run, so last, last Wednesday. I, went to swim squad in the morning, shout out to the chilly squad, and then gotta keep doing shout outs. I

Phoebe: 7:16

shout out to all these guys. Who do you think you are? Shut up!

Anna: 7:22

I digress. went for a jog last Wednesday afternoon. And, I think after swimming in the morning, and again probably a little bit tired, it was really hot, and I honestly. Every single minute I would look at my watch. and be like, Is this over? It was so bad. I just, I didn't enjoy one minute of it and didn't get the endorphins. just by the end I was just Like, I'm so glad that's done. Get me home. I think as well, I have listened to the ERA's setlist Too much. I think I'm

Phoebe: 7:58

that didn't do it for you?

Anna: 7:59

I think I'm getting to the end of it, because I just want to

Phoebe: 8:01

just

Anna: 8:01

pretend that it's still, there, still going. but yeah, I think I'm coming to the end of it. Yeah,

Phoebe: 8:08

of it. Yeah, Okay, what was your other

Anna: 8:14

worst run? My other worst run is a Phantom. It doesn't actually exist. because, So, I'm doing a Little 5K race again. um, by the time this episode comes I would have already done it. And, so obviously not running as much in the last couple of days because I'm doing that. And I really struggle to, I think because When I run, then it obviously gives me like a lot more energy. and I just feel like I can do anything and everything. Within reason. so then when I don't run, I don't know, I just feel like I feel a bit lethargic and then I feel like I have less energy and can't, Yeah, I can't really be bothered doing anything. So, yeah, my second worst run of the week is not really run at all,

Phoebe: 9:06

Which run was worse? The Wednesday

Anna: 9:09

Oh, Wednesday for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Phoebe: 9:11

Nice.

Anna: 9:12

That was

Phoebe: 9:12

Just a notable mention to the

Anna: 9:14

Yeah,

Phoebe: 9:14

The phantom run. I don't think that's a phantom run.

Anna: 9:17

No. it doesn't really work. Yeah. Um, ghost run.

Phoebe: 9:21

Yeah.

Anna: 9:21

No, it still doesn't work. We'll get there.

Phoebe: 9:28

Okay. All right.

Anna: 9:30

So our main topic this week is running etiquette. These are the unspoken social rules of running.

Phoebe: 9:36

People ask us questions about this kind of thing all the time, especially, at the moment with the kind of prolific rise of community running groups, which seems to just be popping up everywhere, which we absolutely love to see.

Anna: 9:48

We love. And we obviously can't, can only speak from our own experience but we thought it would be fun to go away separately and do some thinking on what we feel are the unspoken running rules or norms.

Phoebe: 10:00

come up with, well, the deal was that we'd come up with five each. I think I've come up with about 15, but I've cut it down to my top few. and yeah, I haven't seen what you've written.

Anna: 10:10

I have not seen what you've, actually, before, Phoebe was trying to look over my

Phoebe: 10:16

you had it open on your screen.

Anna: 10:19

Anyway, so yeah, we might have some crossover or maybe we'll even disagree on

Phoebe: 10:23

Oh, wouldn't that be fun? I'm actually, I'm really interested to talk to you about some of these because some of them as I was writing them, I I realized that I have this idea of that this something is, a unspoken running rule. But I might have just made that off my head and you might have a totally different concept of that. So the first one I was thinking about was like, when someone's running late, like, what are the unspoken rules about when someone's running late? I feel like if you're going to be more than two minutes late to a group run, you should message and let the group know. Yeah.

Anna: 10:52

Yeah. I

Phoebe: 10:53

But also, I think if a group has waited seven minutes for someone and they haven't turned up and you haven't heard from them, then you're allowed to go and you don't need to feel bad.

Anna: 11:01

Yeah. I think as well, depends on what time of day it is in the morning. For instance, like we always meet early. before work And I feel like one or two minutes at 6am equates to 10 or 20 minutes at like past 9 a. m. And because we're all on quite a tight time schedule so if you push the run back a few minutes then everything else is going to be pushed back or you're trying to make up that time. Or, like, worst case scenario, have less time at coffee.

Phoebe: 11:32

but

Anna: 11:33

yeah, but I think as well, this is actually interesting that you said that because Your significant other is notorious

Phoebe: 11:41

For

Anna: 11:42

For being a little late, but Granted, he does work super long hours, so I feel like he is kind of excused from

Phoebe: 11:51

funny that you say this, because I did, I was speaking to Sean last night about these, and I gave him these time limits and he was kind of like, I feel like it's a bit of an each to their own thing with this one,

Anna: 12:02

think he necessarily abides by these rules. You think your time is more important

Phoebe: 12:14

time. Oh, I get it.

Anna: 12:16

Oh, 100 percent yeah, because Even when he is like, he'll come in, and then be like, Hey guys, and then he hasn't got his shoes on,

Phoebe: 12:22

and then he's

Anna: 12:23

like, 15 minutes to tie his left shoelace

Phoebe: 12:25

consider this a warning, Sean. It's noted. Hopefully

Anna: 12:29

Hopefully he listens to the pod.

Phoebe: 12:30

Yeah, he does, actually. Yeah, I know, it's shocking. But,

Anna: 12:35

okay, so,

Phoebe: 12:36

I don't

Anna: 12:37

I don't know why, I'm nervous to tell you these, because I'm like, what if she

Phoebe: 12:41

what

Anna: 12:42

Yeah,

Phoebe: 12:43

Disagrees,

Anna: 12:44

would definitely be better in an argument than I am. Okay, so yeah, my first one is a good morning or a hello when you're passing people. I am a big, big yes for this, particularly when you're running solo and go straight by someone else. It might make someone's day and I don't think anyone has ever said hi to me and it's made my mood worse. So, when you're running in a group and go past another group or especially if you're going past someone who's running solo, sometimes it's a little intimidating running by yourself in this big group comes past and like doesn't really acknowledge your existence. I also just, there's some sort of sense of camaraderie when you say morning to everyone. So, I think if you're going around like a super busy like high traffic spot, for instance in Melbourne if you're running around the 10, you don't need to say hi to everyone Cause otherwise you'd literally just be saying hi the whole time. but more so when you're on

Phoebe: 13:39

a

Anna: 13:40

path or or like a bike trail or something. I think if you go past someone, or even just like a smile or like a nod.

Phoebe: 13:46

Yeah, I agree. That's actually interesting. Like, the less high density running, the more important it is. Yeah. Because obviously, if you're out on a trail, you would always say hi to someone. Like, there'd be just no world that you

Anna: 13:57

would just be

Phoebe: 13:58

And it's almost like, the more dense it gets, it, then it changes to like, you make eye contact and you smile,

Anna: 14:03

feel like It's really, I mean, It's really no skin off anyone's nose.

Phoebe: 14:07

Okay, then I have another question because I've got my list of running etiquettes that I thought and then. I have a bonus list of ones that I, wasn't quite sure about, and then I have a list of ones that I read online that I don't agree with, which if we have time we can get to at the end.

Anna: 14:19

online

Phoebe: 14:19

But the, yeah, yeah, no, my answer's so wrong. there was one that I was not sure about, which is always give someone a warning before you pass them. So, like, if you're running behind someone saying, on your left or on your

Anna: 14:35

And I

Phoebe: 14:35

and I just feel like a lot of the time this is unnecessary and just you just run around them you don't need to like let them know that you're there but then in some context it's nice like if it's dark, which it often is when we're running, and there's a woman walking by herself, and I'm running behind, and she's facing away from me, I'll always usually say like, coming on your right, or something. Because I once didn't, and gave this poor woman the fright of her life, like screamed and clutched her chest, because she obviously just heard footsteps behind her. So I try and do that, but otherwise, if I was running past someone, I wouldn't be like, it almost feels a bit smug to be like, coming past.

Anna: 15:12

yeah. overtaking. I think it's completely dependent on the situation. So, in your case, like, when it's dark and you're going past yeah, I think if you're a woman who's running by themselves, like, yeah, as you said, like, I even I would really appreciate if someone was like, on your right, just so you're kind of like, oh, okay, like, I'm expecting this. But I think if

Phoebe: 15:33

you're

Anna: 15:34

on a, like, pretty wide path, and it's daytime, I

Phoebe: 15:39

I

Anna: 15:39

Yeah. I think it's more i, mean, I actually

Phoebe: 15:42

got

Anna: 15:43

confession. I am guilty of sometimes saying like, on your right, or excuse me. almost in a bit. of passive aggressive tone, where, Yeah. if you're, if you're going past, Walkers or something, and there's four abreast taking up the whole path. I'll say excuse me, or on your right, more as like a mate, like don't take up the whole path. Yeah,

Phoebe: 16:06

think that's such

Anna: 16:06

But yeah,

Phoebe: 16:07

And that's way nice than saying move out of my way.

Anna: 16:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Move!

Phoebe: 16:11

you imagine running around saying that?

Anna: 16:13

I think also the tone that you say it in as well makes a difference.

Phoebe: 16:17

give us a real, give us your chirpiest, like what you'd say when you're running, you're running for people blocking your path, you got to get by them. How do you

Anna: 16:25

Yeah. Well, in that case.

Phoebe: 16:28

case. Yeah, yeah. On your right. That is so friendly. It's a cute, I have a choice. No, um,

Anna: 16:38

the camera. um, yeah.

Phoebe: 16:40

What would I say? Just coming through.

Anna: 16:42

Yeah,

Phoebe: 16:43

or like, just passing on your right. That's fine. So friendly. Okay. Well this, I'm gonna skip ahead to one of mine that I had, cause it relates to this, which is No more than two abreast when you're running in a group. For most paths, it's not really going to be tenable for you to run three in a row, especially in busy paths. It's just like people running the other way, people overtaking cyclists, like you become a much more of a hazard. So I would say when running in groups, again, unless you're like out in the middle of nowhere and you've got heaps of space to abreast feels like the right. Max to

Anna: 17:18

got to hit the space. two abreast feels

Phoebe: 17:25

the whole pile.

Anna: 17:26

right. Max two But yes, alright. So, my, this is a big one. This is half stepping.

Phoebe: 17:34

Oh yeah, I had this on mine.

Anna: 17:38

So what, to be clear, Half stepping means that the other person, or you, like, always Want a sort of like half, half a step in front of you and it doesn't matter how many times you try to catch up to be in line with them. They'll always just move that little bit quicker. I don't even know why people do it.

Phoebe: 17:58

No, I think people do it subconsciously. So I, um. My boyfriend, Sean, when we very first started dating, we went for a run together, a long run, just the two of us. And he half stepped me for like 24 kilometers. He was hot. And I was saying to him, like, can you run next to

Anna: 18:18

that just to assert

Phoebe: 18:19

maybe, honestly, wouldn't be

Anna: 18:21

just so you know, I can go faster.

Phoebe: 18:24

think with some people it's obviously they don't mean to do it. And I feel like Sean's probably one of those people but I think some people genuinely think of it as it's like a bit of a power kind of thing. I remember once, dating this guy, and When we would go on a run together, he would always half step me. And it wouldn't matter how much, I would try to back in line. So it would mean I'm either running five, ten meters behind, or it would almost be like a little race. Yeah, it was 5,

Anna: 18:56

yeah, maybe it was a red flag. Yeah,

Phoebe: 18:57

Yeah, oh that's a big, that's a big running red flag.

Anna: 19:01

Yeah. so No harsh surfing. Cause I feel like the whole enjoyment of running with someone. is running with them. Yeah.

Phoebe: 19:07

Well, one of mine was matching paces slash distances. I think when you're running in a group run, there should be a rough often unsaid, but a rough agreement on this beforehand. Like, Oh, I might be like, I'm running for 40 minutes or it Oh, I'm going a bit easier, so I want to run at this pace today It helps, I think, reduce a lot of group run anxiety. If you know beforehand, Oh, we're going to run for about this distance and at about this pace.

Anna: 19:31

Yeah. Having that kind of like mutual understanding. Yeah. So my next one is, if you are running with other people and someone says they're tired or you say that you're tired, that means don't keep asking them questions.

Phoebe: 19:49

Oh,

Anna: 19:50

If I'm running with you and I'm like, oh, Phoebe, I'm feeling I'm pretty tired. Don't be like. Oh, no worries. So how's work going?

Phoebe: 19:58

work going? But then, yeah, often I you're like, Oh,

Anna: 20:03

It's so fine. Yeah. Yeah. But then, yeah, often I you sort of almost feel a bit anxious'cause then you're like, oh, I don't wanna be rude.

Phoebe: 20:10

give them

Anna: 20:11

not say anything or not give them a proper answer. Yeah. But then at the same time You're just trying to put one foot in front of

Phoebe: 20:18

in front

Anna: 20:18

get to the end. So yeah, I think embrace the silence sometimes. if you, if Someone's struggling.

Phoebe: 20:23

If someone's just not, yeah, even if they they're just not being super responsive and you can just tell they're in their own head a little bit. Just, just sit with it. Just let them, you know, let, let yourselves run in silence. Something really nice about that.

Anna: 20:37

that.

Phoebe: 20:37

As I think Grace Tain said, silent miles are often the most binding. Wow.

Anna: 20:43

That's the exact quote. Nice! Ha

Phoebe: 20:46

okay. I had route planning. Whoever organizes the run should have a rough idea of route unless specifically stated otherwise.

Anna: 20:56

of

Phoebe: 20:58

General rule of thumb.

Anna: 20:59

Yeah. you're the run

Phoebe: 21:04

You have a rough,

Anna: 21:05

that's way of putting

Phoebe: 21:07

yeah, yeah. You're the run captain. That's, that's a good way of putting it. Cause I think it's nothing worse than like, when you rock up and no one has any idea really where you're

Anna: 21:17

well I feel as though we spoke about that last week with your worst run of the week was

Phoebe: 21:21

Oh yeah.

Anna: 21:22

and none of us really knew what we

Phoebe: 21:23

Yeah. I think you were group captain on that day.

Anna: 21:26

Actually yeah,

Phoebe: 21:27

Failed at your duties. We did the worst route.

Anna: 21:31

all right. This is maybe a little bit of a controversial one. So, if you're doing a race, or a fun run, like, whenever the gun goes, you start your watch. And no matter what happens, until you get to the finish line, you don't stop

Phoebe: 21:48

watch. No stopping in races. That's a great one.

Anna: 21:51

It doesn't matter if you walk or need to go to the toilet in a race. That's completely fine. But I think you just have to own that. I think it's a little bit disrespectful. If you start a race and then need a rest or, yeah, need to go to the toilet or something. Yeah, it feels a bit dishonest, yeah. And then posting, on Strava or whatever, saying, I ran this at this time, whereas, if you actually go to the elapsed time, it's completely

Phoebe: 22:20

completely different. And, yeah.

Anna: 22:23

It's almost just like, it's also defeating the

Phoebe: 22:26

purpose of running almost is like pretending that it's always going to be fun. Like you got to embrace. Yeah. If you need a toilet stop or if it got really hard, you

Anna: 22:33

matter,

Phoebe: 22:33

walk up the hill. It's like, that's okay. We don't need to be ashamed of that. What about, you know how sometimes with races the track is like a little bit longer or shorter. Do 10 K race and your watch says You did 10. 1, but it says you did 10k in X amount of time. Would you use that time or would you use the official race?

Anna: 22:54

official

Phoebe: 22:55

Yeah.

Anna: 22:55

Yeah. I don't Prove. Again, I think you're doing the race. The GPS's are always a little bit Out of whack. Yeah. You can't be claiming

Phoebe: 23:07

the Yeah. And

Anna: 23:19

I know it's, Yeah. I know it's 5k, it's like, I've done 12

Phoebe: 23:22

You know, like today, like running a really not straight

Anna: 23:25

yeah. Yeah. You can't claim whatever PB Strava or Garmin says. so I think just, I think just own it like no one, at the end of the day, it really Yeah. No. It's an amazing achievement to run whatever distance you are running, whether that be 5Ks or 100Ks. Just own it.

Phoebe: 23:46

Yep. I have a few more. Maybe we'll do some quick fires Do you have any other quick

Anna: 23:51

some more

Phoebe: 23:54

each other. Let's do

Anna: 23:55

slides. Do you have any

Phoebe: 24:02

Uh, what about, okay, first kilometre should be quite slow. Yeah. Don't come steaming out of the gates in the first kilometre. First kilometre might be 20 to 30 seconds slower per kilometre than your other kilometres. And that is, that's actually really good because that's when you're at biggest risk of getting injured. So take it very easy, so don't be the person that steams out of the gate at 100 miles an hour. Yeah. For your first

Anna: 24:27

Um, Yeah. I mean, my first glimmer of everyone's On the slow side, just cause it takes me a while to get moving.

Phoebe: 24:34

like, little steps

Anna: 24:35

yeah. A rogue one that I, we did see a couple of rogue ones online, which actually makes me, I'm glad that we're doing this episode because if you Google running etiquette.

Phoebe: 24:46

They are

Anna: 24:47

are so bad.

Phoebe: 24:49

not listen to them. Oh yeah, do you want to do some rogue

Anna: 24:52

Oh, do you want to give me your favourite? My

Phoebe: 24:54

My favourite rogue one Um, there were some race etiquette ones. stop talking during the national anthem.

Anna: 25:02

etiquette. No. Stop

Phoebe: 25:03

Not etiquette. You can talk during national anthem

Anna: 25:05

Um, no spitting on the course.

Phoebe: 25:07

course. I saw this one. I saw one saying no

Anna: 25:09

one. I noticed. sometimes you need to I like, um, same with snot rockets.

Phoebe: 25:20

you need to. And like, with snot rockets. I would say, are you a snot rocketer?

Anna: 25:26

I think this,

Phoebe: 25:29

totally fine. I think, sorry, I read one that was, no fluid disposal on course and in fluid disposal that included drinks, spitting, snot rocketing, and vomiting,

Anna: 25:42

and vomiting.

Phoebe: 25:44

apparently under the bucket of fluid

Anna: 25:45

the control of the school. Not

Phoebe: 25:50

Sometimes you need to, sometimes you get phlegm in your mouth and you need to spit when you run. That's fine. You don't need to be embarrassed. Just don't do it, like, on the path in front of everyone. Run to the side.

Anna: 25:58

Yeah. I do love, I find the feeling of releasing a like, good. snot rocket so satisfying. One that's, quite compact. doesn't really, like catch your nostrils that much, at all, and it's just straight

Phoebe: 26:11

just straight out. I feel like what you've

Anna: 26:16

in, the back of, my mind. I have never sniffed in the bonnet. Um,

Phoebe: 26:33

beforehand. Maybe

Anna: 26:34

see if there's any

Phoebe: 26:44

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Anna: 27:08

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Phoebe: 27:13

Okay, we have selected two listener questions today. The first one is from Listener Jazz and it is what's the go with dating run clubs? And maybe we should explain this one a little bit first.

Anna: 27:27

Yeah. So there are a few articles about it online, and I've just seen it on social media in general. As run clubs are on the rise in popularity. There's this trend going that you no longer need a dating app to, find a date. Instead just go to a run club. So, we thought we would both take a side to argue the case. Like I get it, that it's a good place to meet people. and my concern is though, because of this trend, it's sexualizing running and taking away from what it's meant to be, which is like an inclusive space, and where you can turn up looking like whatever you want to look like, and I, I worry, that it'll make a lot of people feel a little less comfy in going to runs, and maybe people will start to feel a bit pressured as to their appearance when running. I think what I liked about the running club Hunter Athletics that we go to is that just wasn't really a part of it, and I worry that it'll take away that authenticity

Phoebe: 28:35

pace. And

Anna: 28:37

innocence of running.

Phoebe: 28:39

it'll kind of take away that authenticity and, um, like, innocence of running.

Anna: 28:49

clubs

Phoebe: 28:50

clubs point. yeah. I mean, that's probably a good point of evidence that I kind of met Sean through running through you, you and Eleanor. Yeah. Yeah. so I think in a lot of ways, like running is a really organic, lovely way to meet, like to make friends and to meet people that, you know, you may. Um, and I, I've said as well, like during COVID, I went for a few when you couldn't really go on dates. I went on a few running dates and it's a really, non threatening, um,

Anna: 29:23

way

Phoebe: 29:23

to go on a date with someone. It's really like you catch up, you, I don't know, you go for a run. It feels very like easy to talk, So I can really see how that's a great context. And also I think it's great to want to try and put yourself out there and want to meet people with social, like with common interests to you. And that's a great foundation for it. I think it needs to be. articulated that is like the purpose of the running group in a sense, sorry, either it happens naturally and that's great. or it's like, I've seen a few running groups that have specifically said this is a run where you come to meet people. And I kind of love that. Cause it's like speed dating, like bring back Like,

Anna: 30:00

Yeah, but then I guess, it's like speed dating, but you also, even if you don't meet anyone, you get something out of it. um, by

Phoebe: 30:06

yeah, like go with some friends, chat, meet some people. I think that as long as it's specifically said, like, this is the purpose of it. And you know, and you're choosing to turn up, for that run, for that purpose, then that's great. I think if it's this undercurrent that, that people are like coming to runs to find. People and it's a trend, then maybe it can feel a bit predatory or like you said, I think your point was really good around really nice to not care what you look like when you run, everyone's going to look pretty bad or whatever when they run and it doesn't matter. And so that would be a bit of a shame if it made you care more about that. But on the other hand, I'm like, yeah, if it's clearly said and you want to go like meet someone who also has similar

Anna: 30:44

then Oh, 100%. Yeah, I am completely on board with that.

Phoebe: 30:48

Yep. Yeah, keen to hear, listeners, what you think about dating run clubs. If you've had any experiences, if anyone's met someone through a dating run club, we'd love to hear about

Anna: 30:56

would love to know.

Phoebe: 30:57

otherwise, question number two, It's from actually our friend Dani, who has requested that we ask this one, because this caused the biggest kerfuffle on the long run that we did on my birthday that you weren't there for. And I, my mind is still blown by this. I had no idea that different, it's one of those moments where you realize that the way that you do things is not necessarily the way that everyone else does things. After a run, so you finish your run, you're kind of sweaty, your hair's sweaty, you have three options. Do you A, wash your hair, like with shampoo or conditioner? Do you B, just rinse it with water? Or do you C, just let it dry?

Anna: 31:36

As in just let it dry?

Phoebe: 31:38

let sweat

Anna: 31:39

the sweat dry. Is this what I think you should do, or is this what I do?

Phoebe: 31:43

I do? What do you do? Two different things. Yeah, okay.

Anna: 31:47

as you know, most of the time when I leave the run, I go straight to work. And I'm always pretty tight on time, so I, uh, I'm sorry to say that I leave it.

Phoebe: 32:00

you shower at all?

Anna: 32:01

Oh, yeah, yes. yeah.

Phoebe: 32:02

Okay, for a second I was like, hang on a

Anna: 32:05

on. That is, Yeah, so I shower and but I prioritize time at coffee and hanging out with friends. over.

Phoebe: 32:15

Over. Washing

Anna: 32:17

my hair and drying my hair. yeah, yeah. So that's not to say like on the weekend or if I do have time, then I will wash my hair. because A hundred percent. it feels,

Phoebe: 32:26

Quickly get that on the record.

Anna: 32:28

it feels so much better when you have washed hair. but during the week, yeah, as I said, I prioritize the time, of hanging out with friends. So

Phoebe: 32:36

I, so I, I wet it. I always like run water through it. I didn't even know it was an option to like not run water

Anna: 32:45

Wait, so you

Phoebe: 32:46

get in the shower and I'm like just in the shower. Yeah, I do that all the time,

Anna: 32:52

Okay. which,

Phoebe: 32:52

which, which also as I've, so I thought that's what everyone did. I just, cause I don't want to wash my hair every day. I wash my hair say once a week, every other day of the week, post run, I shower and I like, run water through my hair and just like clean out the sweat, but I don't. And then I just let it dry on its own.

Anna: 33:07

like, Clean out the sweat. And then I just let it If it's wet, then obviously, it

Phoebe: 33:16

like, But who cares if it's wet?

Anna: 33:17

dry. Yeah, I I feel like it still takes longer to get changed and stuff, and I also feel a little bit, maybe it's like different workplaces. I, And also, I guess, cause you have shorter hair than me, I would feel, self conscious, rocking into work just with, super wet

Phoebe: 33:33

Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay, wow.

Anna: 33:36

The reason why that I don't wash my hair is Because I don't want wet hair. Whereas, for you, if you're, when you're here anyway, I'd be like, chuck some conditioner

Phoebe: 33:44

for you, when you're here, anyway, I'd be

Anna: 33:50

I think do whatever works for

Phoebe: 33:52

don't think there's a

Anna: 33:53

there's a right or wrong

Phoebe: 33:55

know a couple of our friends go home and

Anna: 33:59

I know a couple of our friends go home and wash their hair after everyone And then dry it, do it, and go to work. And I just think you, I mean, complete respect. to those people. If you do that, good on you. You are way better at working on your appearance than I am. But I just think,

Phoebe: 34:19

I just

Anna: 34:20

don't know, I just feel like the minutes, There aren't that many minutes in the day. I'd rather be Doing something else.

Phoebe: 34:26

Well, can you hear again from listeners? You just, I would love, I would love to hear from anyone else who's in my camp. Because on this run I think, I can't, don't know if there's anyone else who just wet their hair. And I just didn't know, I thought that's what everyone always did after their runs.

Anna: 34:45

all right. So. I have a new segment.

Phoebe: 34:52

Okay. Brought

Anna: 34:52

Brought to you by me.

Phoebe: 34:54

What is this? So,

Anna: 34:55

So if people have been listening to the pod for a little while, they probably get the vibe that, you know, Phoebe's probably the more responsible one, maybe has her stuff in order a little bit more than myself. However, there, are multiple times now, this responsible gal has Lost her car key. One time we were at the studio

Phoebe: 35:23

the studio and

Anna: 35:24

and we were searching for it all through the studio after we finished

Phoebe: 35:28

um, recording because

Anna: 35:29

Recording because she couldn't find her

Phoebe: 35:31

I got everyone involved, everyone

Anna: 35:34

Yeah, every, Everyone at the office was involved, we were looking for her car key. Anyway, it up. turns out it was in a flower bed. beside her car.

Phoebe: 35:43

I remembered.

Anna: 35:44

Yeah. You remember that, but after a good sort of 20 minutes or so. Because she'd put it down to tie her shoelace up before coming

Phoebe: 35:51

don't know what to do then.

Anna: 35:52

Um, then there was another time where,

Phoebe: 35:53

um,

Anna: 35:54

I actually was in the supermarket. and I

Phoebe: 35:56

You didn't see

Anna: 35:58

see Phoebe in the supermarket walking up and down the aisles and I'm like, Hey, what are you doing? And she was like, Oh, I'm looking for my car key. My car's outside and I can't find it. And the last place I had it was inside the supermarket.

Phoebe: 36:11

inside the supermarket. Anyway. That was so bad, I had to

Anna: 36:14

so bad. Ha ha ha. The third time. So Before recording today's episode, We met in a little cafe just to discuss things. Anyway, we're leaving the cafe. I always look behind because I am notorious for leaving things. There is one little car key left on the bench where we were sitting at. And I'm like, oh my gosh, don't tell me this is Phoebe's. And I look at it and it's a little holden car key.

Phoebe: 36:43

believe that! I would

Anna: 36:46

got it!

Phoebe: 36:47

have I would not have realized.

Anna: 36:50

Anyway.

Phoebe: 36:50

studio looking for it again. Here

Anna: 36:53

Here is your khaki. um,

Phoebe: 37:04

Well, our final section is our

Anna: 37:06

couple of

Phoebe: 37:07

weekly weapon where we shine a spotlight on the amateur running community. Yes.

Anna: 37:12

So for this week, our weekly weapon is,

Phoebe: 37:17

listener sourced, we

Anna: 37:18

was, Yeah, it was listener sourced, actually by a few

Phoebe: 37:20

Yes. This is a very popular

Anna: 37:22

So. I, came across this lovely woman a couple of weeks ago when one of my friends sent me her profile, and it's a girl called Riley Hempson. Her, Instagram handle is Riley H.

Phoebe: 37:37

Oh, and her TikTok is Which some people might recognize this by, is realistic

Anna: 37:42

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. up about her a little bit and just done a little stalk. She played, it seems like she's always played ball sports growing up, but really struggled with running and just absolutely hated it. By the time this episode comes out, I think she'll be about on day 40 ish of her running journey. And she began with only being able to run 15 seconds without stopping. And just the other day, She is up to four kilometers continuously.

Phoebe: 38:08

Woo! Woohoo! Go Riley!

Anna: 38:10

But, that's not actually the only reason why we love this Lady,

Phoebe: 38:15

want to make her our weekly reference. Like, doesn't take herself

Anna: 38:35

yeah. Doesn't take herself too

Phoebe: 38:37

No. I

Anna: 38:40

I mean, I'm guilty of this. I feel like so many people are. You know, when things are getting hard and your self talk becomes a little bit like, negative, I don't know if she's consciously making the effort or if it's just in her nature. but Her self talk is so

Phoebe: 38:53

Yeah, it's genuinely, it's inspiring to listen to. You're like, yes, okay, we can

Anna: 38:58

I love this.

Phoebe: 38:59

The other thing we spoke about is her bravery in setting these goals and then also putting yourself out there. It's scary to get into things, something like running. We know a lot of people have this like, Oh, I'm not a runner. I can't do it. To push back against those narratives and to do it in public, where other people can see and learn from you, is it's very brave and it's very, inspirational.

Anna: 39:21

Oh, a hundred percent, I just think it's unbelievable. And. It's so

Phoebe: 39:28

so funny. I love it. And also her partner

Anna: 39:32

so kind and He's

Phoebe: 39:34

so kind and he's so supportive and he's so like genuinely excited for her. Like, look at how well you're doing. I can't believe it. It's like, it's, it's

Anna: 39:42

it's, it's unbelievable. Yeah. Yep, yep.

Phoebe: 39:45

Killing it Riley.

Anna: 39:46

Keep up the good work. One

Phoebe: 39:48

we'll get her on the pod.

Anna: 39:49

the policy. One day. please reply to our DMs?

Phoebe: 39:52

Yeah,

Anna: 39:57

All right, that is it for episode eight of Cheeky Run Club. Thank you so much for listening, we very much appreciate it.

Phoebe: 40:06

We do. can follow along on Instagram, Tik Tok, or our social media of choice, Strava. Join our Strava group. Um,

Anna: 40:16

our Strava group.

Phoebe: 40:17

it's going off. It's going off. Anna and I are posting a

Anna: 40:20

know how I'm Yeah. Um, thanks so much again and wait to be in your ears

Phoebe: 40:31

you think you are? Shut up! You're gonna shut

Anna: 40:35

You get a shout out, It's like, you know on the Oprah Winfrey show, you get a candle, You get a candle, you get a shout out, you get a shout out. Anyway,

Phoebe: 40:44

Shirley Scott can get a shout out though. Yeah, Shirley

Anna: 40:46

Anyway,