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15. Navigating Life's Milestones: Personal Celebrations, Gender Dynamics in Coaching, and the Power of Community Connection
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When life throws us curveballs, it's the silver linings and shared experiences that keep us grounded. Tony's recent move and the buzz of planning my daughter's wedding have reminded us that amidst the logistics and budgets, there's a heartwarming story unfolding. Our latest episode takes you through these personal milestones, sharing the candid surprises and the rich tapestry of emotions they weave, while also addressing a listener's curious question about our own foray into volunteerism and published works.
Conversations about gender in coaching spaces often remain unspoken, so we brought them to the forefront, examining the subtleties of leading a predominantly female group. I lay bare the introspective journey this has taken me on, discussing the balance between sensitivity and empowerment. Our guest further enriches the dialogue with tales of an annual 24-hour run that unites a community, reflecting on the bond it creates, as well as a sneak peek into their literary accomplishments and the prospect of future emotional baseline theory exploration.
Next week's teaser? A vibrant Community Q&A Files session with Trisha Jamison is on the horizon, promising even more listener-driven discussions. Our heartfelt chat isn't just about sharing stories; it's about fostering connection and sparking curiosity for life's next chapter. So, join our listener community and subscribe for weekly insights, laughter, and a touch of wisdom from all walks of life.
Hello and welcome to the Q&A Files, the ultimate health and wellness playground. I'm your host, tricia Jamieson, a board-certified functional nutritionist and lifestyle practitioner, ready to lead you through a world of health discoveries. Here we dive into a tapestry of disease prevention, to nutrition, exercise, mental health and building strong relationships, all spiced with diverse perspectives. It's not just a podcast, it's a celebration of health, packed with insights and a twist of fun. Welcome aboard the Q&A files, where your questions ignite our vibrant discussions and lead to a brighter you. Hey, Tony, so glad to have you here. We've got Jeff that has a meeting, and so it's just you and I, I'm so glad.
Speaker 2:Well, you've had a couple of them without me, so I feel like this is only fair, and then one day, maybe Jeff and I will do one without you.
Speaker 1:Well then, it can be my podcast, could it?
Speaker 2:That's a fair point. Yeah, we probably wouldn't, to be honest with you, so OK, I like this one?
Speaker 1:No, that would be just fine. So let's start with some celebrations.
Speaker 2:You've got a big one to share, and it's the first time we've ever been ourselves and all the situations we're in, and so check that out and not beating ourselves up and it was all on full display over the last week or two is we never knew how much stuff we had in our home, and could we get it all in one U-Haul?
Speaker 2:The answer was no, so we needed a second one. And that happened, you know, and not pulling an extra car with us because of taking the second U-Haul, an extra car with us because of taking the second U-Haul, and I was sharing with you, off off the mic, that then, thankfully, I had found another therapist, her Lori Arnold. She's amazing, she does a couples counseling in Arizona and so she's sharing her office with me. And so then I needed it immediately because I forgot to sign up for wifi, hot water, you know, all kinds of fun things. So then I had to. I had to drive my U one of the U halls to the office on Monday, which turns out it's a very nice area that they don't have U hall parking, shockingly, and these nice office space. So then I had to drive and park it about a mile and a half away at a Costco parking lot and then hoof it a mile and a half back to, you know, into this office.
Speaker 1:So it's been a lot of but it's all been.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's been great, it's been fun and it really has been this mindset of okay, this is happening, I can either I can beat myself up or I can get all down, or I can say well, this is the first time I've ever tried to park a U-Haul in a bougie salon suite parking lot in Queen Creek, Arizona. Yeah, it didn't work, so it's been fun.
Speaker 1:Well, at least it wasn't 120 degrees there right now.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't at all. It was beautiful. Yeah, it's been beautiful, so far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, lots of good things there. Yeah, how about you?
Speaker 2:I forget about the celebration stuff. I like this. This is fun.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we are preparing for my daughter's wedding. She's getting married May 8th, and so that's going to be exciting. We're going to have the reception at our house. She's getting married in Utah, so she'll have a reception down there as well. So it's just preparing her house for all the festivities and lots of costs. It's amazing, in just a couple of years, the difference in how much things are costing. It's really unreal Actually.
Speaker 2:I don't even want to know. I have two more daughters, so I don't want to know this.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's. It's a little bit insane. So you try to come up with a budget and then that just keeps moving and moving because there's just, you know, she's trying so hard to keep it within a certain range and just everything's so expensive. So bless her heart and bless our hearts and my husband. But wow, it's a lot. So anyway, we're excited for them and we love him. He's awesome.
Speaker 1:And we're really excited for his family and she's going to have just a great. She's going to enjoy that. They're kind of a musical family, capri. She sings a lot too, and so that'll be really fun for her. Nice, that'd be awesome. Yeah, thank you for sharing yours, and I'm glad that you are safe and sound in Arizona and that is just where you guys want to be with your family, and there's nothing better than being with your family. I miss we used to have our kids here and they, just one by one, keep moving to Utah.
Speaker 1:So, I'm afraid that one day we're going to end up following them, but we do have one here and we're at least grateful we have our four little grandkids that we get to enjoy a lot here. Okay, so we have a question. This question is from Casey and she begins her question. Actually, she shares some nice comments and she says first of all, I'm really enjoying your new podcast. The way you all interact is incredibly refreshing and fun. I'm learning so much and already have several favorite episodes. Of course, she didn't share the episodes, but that's nice. That's what she likes. My question for you, she says, is outside of your professional practices, do you engage in any volunteer work? Furthermore, have any of you authored books? I'm eager to understand the different ways each of you contributes to the community and how else you share your expertise. So I thought this was good. There's a lot of depth in that question. Yeah, tangents, we can go on.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:The one that and I know you've authored a book.
Speaker 1:I haven't authored a book. Jeff has authored a book. We've talked about it a lot, so you definitely can share your book. But one of the things that I loved is you and I actually volunteer. You have a podcast called Waking Up to Narcissism and you have made a container for women, kind of the safe space to allow them to share, share their stories, share their experiences, and in that group there's about 650 women. Not all of them are active at any one time, but a lot of them are. You teach twice a month and I teach twice a month and a lot of times you teach on. You ask them what's bothering them, how can you help them? As a therapist and I try to raise their emotional baseline more. So I still go into. You know I just finished a three-part series on boundaries. I've definitely done the codependency and trauma bonding you have values.
Speaker 2:I thought that was a really good one too.
Speaker 1:Values, yeah, and values, but my favorite is really focusing on them as a person and helping them focus on how important they are, their worth, and because sometimes when you're in an abusive relationship, that kind of goes on the wayside and that is really painful and so we really try to zero in on how to weigh them up and be that support. Sometimes it's very exhausting and it takes a lot of time through the week and as we both volunteer a lot of time in that class and that group, but then you get these nice comments that come back and how much they appreciate you and how much you've helped them and I just, I just always appreciate you know those. That keeps you going, times when you feel like your bucket's a little bit more empty than normal and it's like, okay, I need to give here and I need to find more. And then they share these nice things and it's like, okay, that that helps me.
Speaker 2:Well, you, you, you play it, you play such a good role in there. But I I feel for you, because that group people are people who've reached out, listening to the podcast and they've identified that they've they're most likely in a in emotionally abusive or neglected relationship with somebody, often the spouse. It can also be an adult parent, a coworker, a sibling, you know, it can be anybody. But trying to navigate or make sense of that relationship is basically costing their sense of self and I feel like you're really doing a nice job trying to help people find themselves. But by the time people get to that point and they finally start to feel heard, now it's almost like the body says, wait, we're new, we can be heard. Well, then I'm angry, and so a lot of that anger comes out. And so then I know that for me it's, it's part of the work I do on a day-to-day basis with the population I work with.
Speaker 2:But I have appreciated what you're doing there but worried about it taking its toll at times as well. Just so, yeah, I mean that's. You've done a nice job of trying to say, hey, let's. I think at first it was like let's focus on the, the positives, and it feels like it's shifted over to let's focus on the you, and that's really been a difference, because I think when you say the positives, it's easy for people to say how about, let me? Let me tell you all the negatives. But if you're saying, hey, what's good about you? It's hard for them to go. Well, you know. So I really appreciated the work you've done in that group.
Speaker 1:Well, I appreciate that, like last week, we did a, I showcased them, so they got to share their businesses, their hobbies, adventures that they enjoy, and so I'm just trying to shift them out of we've talked about the to me phase and into feeling more empowered, and I think that they really loved it. They really enjoyed that. So anytime I feel like I can shift the energy. Some don't want to be shifted at all and that's where they're at and that we have to appreciate. They'd still need to keep telling their story, but I'm trying to find those that are ready to move on a little bit more and let's find a greener hill, let's go over that hill a little bit and down the slope and let's find some flowers. But yeah, sometimes it is very challenging and it does take a toll at times. But I have a question for you Do you feel that it's difficult to be the only male in the group and are you ever afraid to say the wrong thing?
Speaker 2:So it's a great question, because when I even started the podcast and I felt like that was the population that I was really speaking to, or a lot, it was primarily because, you know, gender stereotypes are stereotypes, often for a reason, and when you're talking about extreme emotional maturity or narcissism, it is primarily men that fit that category, and I will get negative feedback from people saying that's not true. Or you always talk about the narcissist or the emotionally mature person is the man, and I have clients where the man is in a relationship with an emotionally immature or narcissistic woman, and so I have. And so that's where I've loved that feedback and I've said man, you're absolutely right, I will, I will try to bring in more of those stories when I get them, but I wasn't getting men writing in. And then there's a study out of the university of Buffalo that I often reference and sometimes when I'm feeling a little salty, I'll get sarcastic about it and say, okay, but what do they know?
Speaker 2:It was only a 30 year longitudinal study that featured almost 500,000 people. That showed that men were overwhelmingly more emotionally immature and narcissistic. So the data is there, but then it also does a nice job of explaining that it can also be because guys grew up without being able to express their feelings. They were told to rub a little dirt in it, to be the strong, silent type, and it wasn't rewarded to be emotional, and so we're kind of starting to try to shift that narrative now. So that's why I talk so much about emotional immaturity versus narcissism, because narcissism just feels so heavy for people.
Speaker 1:I like that I digress so you appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I and I hope by now I've established on our podcast here, on my podcast and that group, that I really am going to just speak as authentically as I can and so I'm not too worried about saying the wrong thing, because I'm just saying my things and then if somebody takes offense, then it's an opportunity for me to grow. I know I say that so much that it almost sounds like it's just some line. But there have been a couple of times in the women's group, where there's one, for example, where I often say that if you're asking yourself if you're the narcissist, then you're not because you're, you're actually in there trying to figure out the relationship and so already, that's, that's not the definition of narcissist. But then some of the women in there, their, their husbands, will then all of a sudden listen to my podcast and they say, well, I'm, I don't know, am I the narcissist? Well, I just asked myself, so I'm not.
Speaker 2:So then there was at one point you know, somebody had said in there I think Tony really needs to revisit that I don't think that's true and that's where I was like man, I appreciated that and I validated that person and it was like, you know, this is where the emotional consistency comes in. So if somebody is doing that to check off a box, then that isn't the work that I'm talking about. That's not about because it's the women that are in there primarily that are then beating themselves up and they're starting to say wait, I do react, or I do want him to be nice, so I am the one that's trying to dictate the terms. So therefore, I am the narcissist. Okay, if you're going through that kind of mental gymnastics to ask yourself if you are, you're not.
Speaker 2:You know, if, if somebody gets forwarded a podcast, they hear me say that line once they ask themselves and then say so it turns out, I'm good. You know, that's not even the point. So, but I liked it, I'm in there and I'm just trying to say the things as authentically as I can. If somebody has a problem or takes offense by it, then they typically have a really good point and I want to hear it because I want to be better. But then if it's something that I'm confident in, then I want to validate them and I'm still going to express where I'm at. So I like the question though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I and I going along with that, even as a female, if I say the wrong thing, if I answer in, sometimes even in a more positive direction, I I'm kind of I've been called the Pollyanna of the group. I mean, I have my own story, believe me, which you know, but sometimes you get attacked because it's like they don't like what you're saying and you need to stick with their own narrative experience and different perspective, from a woman's perspective, teaching classes and helping them see things not through your eyes but through my eyes as a woman, and I think that that's been. It has taken a long time to feel like I finally have people that are appreciating what I'm trying to do, but it has been a journey and they, just like I said, they want to stay in that. To me they want. They're not ready to move forward. It's their story and they want to stay and sometimes that spinning doesn't really help them either, but they you can't tell them that they have to move on.
Speaker 2:What I like is about what we're doing, even in this podcast, is when you're even saying that, it's hard for me not to then say maybe you know from my experience they don't want to, but they feel like they can't get out of that and that's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, cause I don't think anybody wants to stay in that place. But they feel like I, you don't understand. And until it's like they feel heard and understood, they almost feel like they can't move on past that. Or else it just isn't fair, or you know he'll get away with it, or it'll just return back to where it was. And and that's why I like when we're talking about the, the partnership of life coach and therapist, is that you know, we, you and I had some I mean, I'm not they weren't dust-ups or disagreements, but it was like you know, it's hard for me.
Speaker 1:We approach things differently? For sure we do yeah.
Speaker 2:And so that's that part where it's like when I think early on, when we were saying, okay, it'd be great to bring some of your energy into the group, and then the majority of people were saying yeah, no, we're not, we don't.
Speaker 2:Who is this person? What is she? Because, you know, I think at one point you would even ask me how many people that typically get the more of the I want to just say generically, the happy ending in those kinds of relationships, and I was kind of like, wow, not really hardly many at all. So then it kind of put things in perspective of the people that are coming to the group, because listening to a podcast identifying with these concepts, feeling heard for the first time and realizing they're in these unhealthy, emotionally abusive relationships you know the data is kind of there that is already heading toward this is going to be more of their journey, not to heal the relationship but to heal themselves. So then it did kind of paint you as a bit of like you know you're saying all the right things and they're true, but you know people say, and wait, who is this magical unicorn? You know.
Speaker 1:Yeah right.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and now it's, and so understanding that helped me kind of sharpen some other tools and go a different direction, and so that I think has been much more accepted and I feel like now they're flourishing and actually I feel like they are flourishing, they're recognizing. Do I want to stay in this, or can we focus on raising that emotional baseline and how to do that and how to become a little more resilient and how to do that? And so that part's been fun for me, because that's what I already do and it's been a much different experience than trying to be part of something I'm totally not accepted. They don't like it. But now it's so nice to have these nice comments and people reaching out and recognize how hard you're trying and what you're doing and we really appreciate that and some people don't, and that's totally fine. And I think that that was hard for me, probably a little bit like you at times, but it's like, oh no, they don't like me.
Speaker 1:I you know how do I need to change for them? I do different, to feel accepted instead of no, I have my own things that I can bring. I just confident in myself and help them. You know, those that are ready Great, those that are not great. Everybody's on this journey and their own journey differently and, and so I think it's just having this opportunity to just feel into where they are, read the room in a way that I can see things a little differently.
Speaker 2:I think that the Sometimes the energy gets sucked out pretty quick because there's just story after story, abuse after abuse, and that gets exhausting, and so anything that I can do to talk about them as a person I think has been much more helpful client into the group recently, and it is just so fascinating to see when somebody comes into the group and they felt they're going through the worst of the worst of it, that then they they have never felt more validated in their whole life by hearing the bad stories and the things that are going on.
Speaker 2:And so it's wild to see that. And then when somebody almost gets through and let's say it's an unhealthy relationship, they find themselves are in a much better place that when they're in the middle of it. They they will often say you know, I just want to stay in this group forever, I want to help all the women, I want to write books and songs and poems, and and then when they get through it, they're almost like I think I'm ready to just move on, cause that was a rough time of my life and you know. And so I watch people almost graduate through it and it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1:It is interesting and I appreciate these women and they're so resilient and amazing and I just I don't know, I can't say enough wonderful things about them. And they're all they're working so hard to. They're going to school, they're doing their thing to improve their lifestyle, to improve themselves, their lifestyle to improve themselves and just right there I just acknowledge and validate how hard that is and I appreciate the people that they're becoming.
Speaker 2:Can I change the subject really quick on this, because Casey's question about the what do we do volunteer wise, and can I just tell a funny story that when we were packing up to move we found a box of old cliff bars that had been long since expired and it reminded us we had these good conversations of.
Speaker 2:I will say, one of my most, I don't know most satisfying community volunteer things I've ever done was for six years in my community, and you go back to the day of in California, there were a lot of budget cuts at one point and there was a threat of taking out.
Speaker 2:It was sports, music, art, the arts from the middle school that my kids were in, and and so people were going to get ready to sell more cookie dough and and whatever wrapping paper, and I was in the height of my ultra running career, I guess you'd say and so I raised my hand and said, hey, I'll run around the track for 24 hours and people can run with me and we'll raise money. And so I ended up doing that for six years and we. It was just an amazing experience and but finding these, these clip bars, was just funny, because then it just led to a lot of reminiscing and so many stories I'd forgotten about and you know. And then funny stories about, like the day after and two days after, when I would have to walk down the stairs backwards because I couldn't engage my quads or I cause. I think the least amount of miles I covered one year was 111. I think the most was 128 or something like that.
Speaker 1:And that was in the 24 hour period.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and you would did you have somebody just it was the.
Speaker 2:It was the greatest. There's a. There's clips on on YouTube, there's some like new stories about it, but they would. They would always get the middle school band to learn how to play the theme to Rocky and then this local limousine company would come pick me and my family up at my house. We would get to the. There would be two or three news crews there. I come out to Rocky, run the track and then all throughout the day the middle school PE classes would come out and run with me and then after school then it would be like the track team or whatever, and then at night there would be food trucks and there were some booths and stuff and people would run with me.
Speaker 1:How much did you raise?
Speaker 2:How much money? No, I never really knew. I think some of the years it was 20, 30 grand, but it was always.
Speaker 1:it was always enough. Yeah, it was really good.
Speaker 2:It was fun, but that was. That was probably my favorite. Just to answer Casey's question, the the volunteer work because I would go speak at the schools leading up to it.
Speaker 2:I was, you know, in the little town I was in. It was just that was one of the things that was difficult almost to move away was I'd written a newspaper column for 10 years there and you know I spoke to the schools and ran the track for all those years and my kids all played sports, I coached everybody's, everything, and so that was a part that was a little bit difficult to leave where I've been for 30 years, cause I feel like that was a big part of who I was. Was that that community? So that was that was pretty interesting too, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that. And how long ago was that that you?
Speaker 2:Um, I think I ended the running five or six years ago, so it would have been you know 12, 12 years or so ago. For six years yeah, three of the years that rained almost all. One year I ran for 18 hours in the rain. That was rough.
Speaker 1:Wow, it was a cold. Was it a cold? Yeah, it was really cold.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was such a cold rate and one of my one of my friends that he he was a B2 bomber pilot at the local air force base. He had all this high tech space gear that he brought and I ran in that for a while to keep me dry. But it was really lots of good memories there.
Speaker 1:that was fun that's fascinating, and you also have a book yes, yeah, the book is.
Speaker 2:Uh, it's interesting. I always wanted to have a book, I wanted to be an author and then I had this uh chance to co-author a book. There's a guy named joshua shea and he had actually he was a politician and he ran a film festival in a magazine back in back East Connecticut or somewhere like that New Hampshire maybe and then he had gotten arrested for some not great things and then he got out of jail and then he wrote a book about. He called it like the addiction nobody knows or nobody talks about, and he was talking about pornography and sex addiction. And so, and then he I had him on my virtual couch podcast and just interviewed him and apparently he felt like there was that, we clicked. I just I mean, I thought he was a fun interview, fun for the topic. You know, the topic was pretty rough, but then he reached out and pitched a project where it's called he's a porn addict.
Speaker 2:Now, Well, what a expert and a former addict answer your questions. And so we just took eight chapters of questions. I answered them all, he answered them all. We never knew what the each other's answers were, and then they were put together in a book and then it was. It was so interesting too. I really am happy with the way the book turned out. Talk a lot about betrayal and acceptance and addiction and that sort of thing, but then the uh. It spent two, two and a half years on Amazon's bestseller list for sexual health and recovery.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but what was crazy was it came out right at when the pandemic had hit and I was learning so much about the book industry and you know, he, josh, had pitched the book and he told me, prepare for a lot of rejection, but the first three people we pitched it to we had contracts to publish. So that was really, that was really fun, yeah. So we went with one and then, but we get it out there, and then we were just starting to get it in libraries, like that was a big thing, and it had gotten in about two or 300 libraries and then the world shut down and so that right, and that was tough. And then the part that's tough is the cover of it looks really clever. It's like a paper bag, a brown paper bag, you know cause it's like you're hiding this thing. But then it says he's a porn addict on the cover. So it we were told over and over again it reviewed really well, but that it wasn't something anybody wanted to have out on their coffee table, or or that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:So then the audio, the uh Kindle book sales did really well and then we had a audio book version of it, maybe a year or two ago, and that's continued to sell steadily. But I, you know, continued to sell steadily. But I, you know, I like that book. I've got two other book projects that I have in accepted in contract, but I'm I'm, I haven't done anything with them. I'm probably losing those if I don't. One's about my emotional baseline theory and then another one is about the, the concepts around waking up to the emotional immaturity or narcissism relationship. So I really need to work on those yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm not sure in what timeframe. That's what I think so, too, holy cow Got a lot going on, tony. I think that's really exciting, yeah. And then you speak all over. I'm starting to speak too.
Speaker 2:You do that too, yeah, Because I think the work we do in our church I think a lot too is those opportunities to speak are just phenomenal.
Speaker 1:We do a lot, you know, and just even serving our community. You think about all of the. We're doing a big Easter thing this weekend that our whole community is involved in and it's, you know, we're presenting in this arena and it's going to be pretty awesome, so we're pretty excited about that. That is, it's going to be pretty awesome, so we're pretty excited about that, that is. Yeah, and I am actually speaking at a women's leadership conference in Louisville, kentucky Wow, in a week and a half, so I'm excited about that.
Speaker 1:And you speak too. You speak all over us, and that's really fun for you. But yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I liked Casey's question. That's one of those where sometimes it feels funny to talk about yourself. I like to joke that I'm the world's worst salesman of myself.
Speaker 1:I'm the second one then.
Speaker 2:Okay, but the volunteer work is fun. I enjoy that. I taught early morning seminary like a Sunday school class in the morning for our church for seven years and that was some of the funnest unpaid every single morning. Relentless. Start your day right. Yeah, right, it did so. That was some of the funnest unpaid every single morning relentless.
Speaker 1:Start your day right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, it did. So that was fun too. Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, thank you. Thank you so much for being with me today.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think that Jeff would like to probably share some of his thoughts. Maybe when he comes next time we'll give him a couple of minutes to share some thoughts about all the things that he's working on and volunteering. He does a lot of volunteer work as well, but I appreciate you being here and this was fun.
Speaker 1:This was always a great time. Casey, I just want to thank you today for your awesome question and I hope we answered it and we're excited to all three of us be together next week for the Q&A Files and we will see you next time. Thanks for tuning in to the Q&A Files, delighted to share today's gems of wisdom with you. Your questions light up our show, fueling the engaging dialogues that make our community extra special. Keep sending your questions to trishajamesoncoaching at gmailcom. Your curiosity is our compass. Please hit, subscribe, spread the word and let's grow the circle of insight and community together. I'm Trisha Jameson, signing off. Stay curious, keep thriving and keep smiling, and I'll catch you on the next episode.
