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17. Fire and Ice: The Skinny on the Health Benefits of Hot and Cold Water Contrast Therapy
When Dr. Jeff gracefully maneuvered his aircraft to the perfect touchdown, it was more than just skill—it was a celebration of mastery in the face of challenge. Similarly, Tony's tale of his son's hole-in-one, achieved with a cherished family heirloom, resonates deeply with the heartwarming continuity of family traditions and passions. Join us, Trisha Jamison, along with these skillful gentlemen, as we recount these stories of triumph, each a testament to life's delightful victories and the enduring legacies we cherish.
Venture with us into the invigorating realm of contrast therapy, where ancient wisdom meets modern science in a dance of temperatures. Imagine stepping into a shower, as I did, guided by Ben Greenfield's hot and cold routine, and emerging with a sense of profound achievement and refreshment. From reducing muscle soreness to boosting the immune system, the health benefits seem as varied as they are enticing. However, not all that shivers or steams is safe, and we don't shy away from discussing the potential risks and the vital importance of personal tolerance and professional guidance.
Lastly, we juxtapose the biting chill of cryotherapy chambers with the enveloping embrace of Japanese onsens. We share personal anecdotes and the surprising impacts these experiences had on our own resilience and focus, even as we offer a word of caution regarding their intense nature. Whether you're an athlete looking to enhance recovery or someone curious about innovative health practices, we invite you to consider how the dynamic duo of hot and cold may harmonize your wellness journey. Dr. Jeff, Tony, and I extend our deepest gratitude for sharing in our discoveries. Here's to a week of vibrant health and inspired living!
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Hello and welcome to the Q&A Files, the ultimate health and wellness playground. I'm your host, tricia Jamieson, a board-certified functional nutritionist and lifestyle practitioner, ready to lead you through a world of health discoveries. Here we dive into a tapestry of disease prevention, to nutrition, exercise, mental health and building strong relationships, all spiced with diverse perspectives. It's not just a podcast, it's a celebration of health, packed with insights and a twist of fun. Welcome aboard the Q&A Files, where your questions ignite our vibrant discussions and lead to a brighter you. Hello, wellness enthusiasts. I'm Tricia, your host, and I'm thrilled to have you all here for a very special episode of the CUNY Files. Join me today are Dr Jeff and Tony so glad to have you both here with me today and I have a bit of a surprise for them. But before we dive in, let's start with something I absolutely love, and those are our celebrations.
Speaker 2:So, tony and Dr Jeff, what are you celebrating today? Well, I'll go first. We've been having a little bit of trouble. You know, I am a pilot and I like to fly, and we've been having a little trouble with the airplane. It just is having some electrical issue that it doesn't make it not fly, it just makes it, so I don't trust it to go very far. Issue that it doesn't make it not fly, it just makes it, so I don't trust it to go very far. So I flew it this morning and the problems were still happening.
Speaker 2:But the thing that I'm celebrating is it's been about a month since I flew the airplane and I just had two of the most beautiful, soft, gorgeous landings that you've ever seen. You almost didn't know that you'd bumped the ground. It just felt so good and I got out of the airplane after that and I just went. That's how it's done. So I felt pretty good about myself. And this is interesting for me because in learning how to fly, you start out with a training aircraft that basically the students pound the heck out of it when you're learning to land and then, when you move up into a larger airplane or more powerful, you've got to basically relearn to do all that, and it took me about 30 or 35 landings to feel like I was more comfortable, and now that I'm well beyond that, it is just so nice to feel that control, so anyway, so it was really fun and I was really happy about that today.
Speaker 3:Congratulations. I've noticed that when I've traveled overseas every now and again I'm pulling into. I used to go to Japan a lot for my when I was in the computer software industry or throughout Europe, and there would be certain countries when we'd land in there that I feel like the native people there would clap when they would land and I liked that tradition. I thought that was always kind of fun and at first I thought it was because I must've slept through, it must've been horrific. And now they're clapped because they thought, oh man, he pulled it off. But I mean it was just almost like a. I think it was a well-done pilot thing. I mean, would you have felt like applause would have been in order with your landing this morning?
Speaker 2:Oh, I applauded myself just now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, good, well said, I was the only one, that was there.
Speaker 1:That's awesome Okay.
Speaker 2:Tony, what's your celebration?
Speaker 3:Okay, so I am going to, I'm going to do. I think this is something that I would maybe believe. I don't know if I was the one saying give me a celebration. And somebody talked about something that happened with a family member, I might say, no, no, make it about you. But I was super excited because my son calls us on Saturday and he got a hole in one in golf and this is something that he's been pursuing, I know Right, and he's been. I mean, it's one a club professional and he's he's just doing amazing.
Speaker 3:You were, you were a big golfer, you know, and living on a golf course, and and so then, uh, I had an uncle passed away a while ago who was a club pro, and and my son went to uh Tennessee with me and I actually spoke at that funeral and then he brought back the my uncle's golf clubs and so it was this really. It was really neat when, uh, in the family group chat it was extended family group chat about some things and I jump in there and say Jake's probably not going to, he doesn't want to brag, but he got a hole in one today, and then everybody went nuts and then he was able to share that it was with his uncle's golf clubs. And then my dad let him know that my grandpa, who was also a club pro, had had two holes in ones. My dad's twin brother had one, but my uncle uncle who was the most avid golfer had never had one. So then my son I just almost did it brought tears to my eyes where he just said, well, I did it with with uncle Donnie's clubs and it was just a really neat thing. I was very proud of him.
Speaker 3:He's 20. He's, you know, and the. And one of the funnest things was he called his mom I mean, I make it sound like call his mom to celebrate those things and I just think that really says a lot. So that was really neat.
Speaker 1:So he's 20. My dad was 15 when he got his first hole in one.
Speaker 3:Was he really Gosh?
Speaker 1:But that is so. That is so great. It's funny Cause we live on a golf course as well Not the one I grew up on, but another one and all of a sudden I hear these cheers and just screaming and so I was thinking I wonder if they just got a hole in one I bet, and did you ever come close, or did you get one ever tricia?
Speaker 3:I?
Speaker 1:have. I've had lots of birdies, yeah, so what's so isn't a birdie just one under par yeah yeah, well, like on a part three, that's usually where you're going to get a oh, so that's it, so that. So that's a two yes, so I I hit it in two, but yeah, okay I think I've gotten maybe several feet from one, but no, never, okay, the, the, uh, the lack of celebration.
Speaker 3:Is that? Honestly, I want to see a hole in one, so bad that when I golf with anybody I film. I film all the par threes and because I want to catch it on film one day. So the bummer was that we weren't with him and then he got it, but he did get it with two of his cousins, which you know. I think there's a million different jokes that are talking about. If you get a hole in one and nobody's there, you know which that would be brutal.
Speaker 2:Yes, If a tree falls in the woods. Is there anybody here?
Speaker 1:Yeah Well it. If a tree falls in the woods, is that anybody hear it? Yeah, well, it's funny because we were. We went to a hawaiian open with my parents and I was 16 and there was I don't remember who it was that was playing, but we were sitting down in the bleachers and there was a I believe he. He got a hole in one and just right before that ball dropped in the cup, somebody stood right up in front of us and so we couldn't see.
Speaker 2:Oh those are things that happen to me like that often yeah, man, yeah, but anyway. Okay, tricia, you've got a celebration too, right? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:We are getting our house ready to sell and we've got the roof all done, replaced, they're completely redoing our whole front deck area and we're getting a lot of work done. So we're hoping to have things ready to go in the next month or six weeks. But we're also preparing for our daughter's reception here at the house and so that will be really exciting. But yeah, it's, it's happening, so it's a lot. We've got a lot of noise going on, so I hope that our listeners don't hear all the drilling and hammering and all the things that are going on.
Speaker 1:So, right, yeah, well, thank you, gentlemen, for that. So let's shift gears a bit to our topic for today. So we're going to explore something that's both ancient and increasingly popular in the wellness world, so, and it's called hot-cold contrast therapy, and this practice might sound like a spa luxury in some places. It is, and we're going to talk about that a little bit in a few minutes, but it's packed with benefits that go back centuries and have been scientifically proven to enhance health and speed up recovery. So let's plunge into the invigorating world and explore the power of fire and ice, unveiling the secrets of contrast therapy and ice unveiling the secrets of contrast therapy. So imagine plunging into an icy, cold bath after a soothing soak in steaming water. Sounds intense, right? Well, today we're diving into the thrilling world of hot-cold contrast therapy, a technique that athletes swear by and wellness enthusiasts are curious about. So, from ancient rituals to cutting edge science, join us as we explore how this fiery and frosty practice could be the secret to enhanced health and quicker recovery. I got a lot of this information from a gentleman, dr Andrew Huberman. He just has so much information, and a lot of this is from him. But contrast therapy isn't just a modern day intervention. It's been used for centuries across various cultures. Like the Romans famously alternated between hot steam baths and cold plunges, why they believed it bolstered vitality and vigor, fast forward to today and science is beginning to understand why our ancestors might have been onto something. So let's break through the science.
Speaker 1:So when you switch between hot and cold water, your blood vessels undergo a dynamic workout, dilating in the heat and constricting in the cold. So this process, often describes as vascular flush, boosts circulation, helps flush out toxins and can even reduce muscle soreness. But that's not all. It also triggers a fascinating response from your brain. So the typical protocol for contrast therapy or hydrotherapy includes alternating between hot, cold water of 100 degrees to 104 degrees and cold water from 50 to 59 degrees. Each immersion usually lasts between one to three minutes. It could even be 20 to 30 seconds, and we're going to talk more about how you can make that not be so excruciating at times, but the session can last from 20 to 60 minutes. So this process often ends with cold exposure, and that's going to be really important. We want to end with cold exposure, so this practice has been widely used for its potential benefits in recovery, circulation and overall health benefits.
Speaker 1:So the physiological effects. Number one is enhanced blood flow. It alternates temperatures, causing the blood vessels to dilate in heat and constrict in cold Kind of just talked about this. This is called pumping action and can help increase circulation, bringing more nutrients to muscles and aiding in waste removal. Two is reduced muscle soreness.
Speaker 1:Contrast therapy is often used by athletes to reduce muscle soreness after intense workouts. The improved circulation can help decrease the accumulation of lactic acid and other metabolic wastes. Three is improved immune response. The therapy is thought to stimulate the lymphatic system, which helps in immune functioning. The changes in body temperatures may also boost white blood cell activity. Four stress relief and mood improvement. The intense cold immersion triggers the release of endorphins, which are chemicals in the brain that are natural painkillers and mood elevators. And so there's some athletic recovery. Athletes use contrast therapy to recover faster between training sessions or after performance events. Chronic pain and fatigue management people suffering from conditions like fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome may find symptomatic relief as well. And injury rehabilitation Contrast therapy can be part of rehabilitation programs to manage swelling and hasten recovery in injured tissues.
Speaker 1:But there's some risks, so let's talk about the risks too. People with cardiovascular issues or other serious health conditions should consult with their health provider before starting contrast therapy. So personal tolerance, individual tolerance to extreme temperatures, can vary, so it's essential to modify the temperatures and duration according to personal comfort and safety limits. There's some other things that we'll talk about as well shock and hyperventilation. Vascular stress, that is, the rapid temperature shifts that can be problematic. For some people with even varicose veins, it can worsen symptoms. Conditions like multiple sclerosis might worsen with heat and Raynaud's could worsen and deteriorate with cold. Dizziness and fainting could be a problem. So you just need to be careful. Again, there could be some skin risks if it's too hot or too cold.
Speaker 1:Overstimulation with your nervous system. You know severe temperatures can overstimulate the nervous system, causing anxiety and panic and pregnancy. So we want to make sure that if you're pregnant, that is something. Especially going into hot, extreme temperatures can be very, you know, can cause some complications. So the other part that I learned that was really interesting is people that have anxiety when you put cold water on your face or on your head, and I got this from, actually, mil Robbins. She talks about how, when you have this cold water going on your face and your head for up to 30 seconds. It's almost like having four hours extra sleep and I was gonna try to find that information, but I have read that before. But I thought that that was interesting and there's been nights that I haven't slept well, but I tell you what, having that cold water definitely woke me up, so I thought that that was really fascinating. But I just wanted to share that I did start my own personal contrast therapy and you don't have to have a hot bath and a cold bath.
Speaker 1:I learned this from a person by the name of Ben Greenfield. He's like one of the top athletes in the world and he talks about how you can go in the shower, do your normal shower regimen and then you start this process and what you do is you, for 20 seconds, you go into as hot of a shower as you can and I keep my head out of the heat and you know again, you want to be really careful. You're not trying to burn yourself, but it is a little bit uncomfortable and you count out loud to 20. And you count out loud to 20. And what I do is I slowly am turning every so slowly, just getting full exposure for 20 seconds and then for 10 seconds you turn it to cold.
Speaker 1:Now the nice thing is you get to. You have control of the temperature. So at first you may not go as cold as you end up, but you go as cold as you can, and that's where I do put my head in. And for 10 seconds I go the other way, counting out loud for 10 seconds. Now I do this 10 times. The first time I did this at I think it was number- five Is that like 10 times in a week 10 times this whole session, when you're in the taking a shower.
Speaker 2:Yes, no, it's not. You can't spread it out over a week or so.
Speaker 1:No, it's all at once. But what I was going to say is the first time I did this. It was I was at number five and I'm like I just want to get out of this. So bad I. This is horrible. I hate it, but I'm like I'm halfway done. I have to keep going.
Speaker 1:And so I, by number eight, there's something that switches in your brain and you just become. You just have this sense of I don't know euphoria. It was just this. I felt so invigorated, I just felt sharper and it was amazing. It really was. I was so alert, so awake.
Speaker 1:So I tell my clients you're going to want to stop, but keep going, because it's amazing and it's so much better than any coffee you could ever have and it really does a number on your mental, your physical, your start of your day. It was just super incredible. And even when I don't sleep well at night, I have literally not I think I may have missed one day in the last month, but every day I do this and it really is amazing. And I just want to just share one more thing. And then I want to hear some one more thing, and then I want to hear some great things from the two of you, our daughter.
Speaker 1:She has some in-laws, so her brother-in-law. They have a facility called Plunge and it's a wellness facility and it's in Saratoga Springs, utah, and it I actually went there and they have hot saunas and I think that it goes up to 220 degrees, like from 200 to 220 degrees in the hot sauna. It was like my eyes were sweating, it was so hot. And then and they have like this you know you have to watch the time because they don't watch in there very, you know too long and then you go into these cold pools and I tell you you wash off first, then you go into these cold pools. I can't even tell you how cold that was. It was like so cold.
Speaker 1:But our son-in-law had just gone in there that morning and my goal was to beat him and to be in there longer than he was in there, and I can't remember how long he was in in there. Longer than he was in there, and I can't remember how long he was in there. I think he was in there for four minutes and I thought I have to be in here for at least four minutes and 15 seconds. Well, we ended up being in there for a couple minutes longer, but I don't recommend that. It was awful you don't have to be in there that long, but it was so incredible. It was one of those experiences that you just felt so I don't even know. There was just so much vitality you felt. You just felt alive, you felt fresh and new and it was just an amazing experience.
Speaker 1:I would actually love to have him on our show one day and to have him share the benefits of Plunge and kind of the inside tips of how each of his visits at his facility, how it enhances that therapeutic the cold and the hot immersion and how it can benefit in his facility. But he has a couple of really cool things that they talk about. You know, like it releases hormones to boost mood this is what I talked about. It helps with reducing anxiety and depression. It builds mental fortitude, reduces risks of dementia, reduces risks of lung disease, boost metabolism, improves immune response, reduces inflammation, really talks a lot about inflammation and we have a daughter that has a lot of inflammation and she talks about how helpful it is and helps with joint stiffness and cardiovascular system. There's just so many things that I I'd love to have them come on and talk about. So yeah, I would love to know have you guys experienced any of this hot cold therapy and what have been your experiences?
Speaker 2:Tony, what you got.
Speaker 3:I got a few things and this is a fun topic to talk about and the more that you were sharing, the more I was remembering. So I've got a little bit of data and I've got maybe an anecdote or two. The data is so. I have had a number of clients go get brain scans at the world-renowned Amen Clinic and then part of the treatment plan that they give and I pulled it up here because one of the clients had shared this with me and this is what got me started doing this. I didn't know it was the name contrast therapy, but I've been doing it for a while with the. You know, you end your shower with 30 seconds of the cold blast, that sort of thing and we bought a tub to do it that I've literally never used before and we moved it from California to Arizona. So I was reminded that I have a cold tub that I'll do once it's not 140 degrees outside, because I don't know how that's my excuse I'm making. But here and the treatment plan I thought this was so well said.
Speaker 3:They said learn to control autonomic arousal and get comfortable with adrenaline in your body and brain. Use tools like an ice bath, a cold shower or simply 30 deep breaths in via nose and out via mouth. Use the adrenaline response to start or resume tasks that your brain has lost interest in. These tools have been shown in peer-reviewed research to enhance immune function, raise metabolism and, in some cases, to also increase your threshold to stress and anxiety. So that was what got me looking at this a few years ago. And just that. So you know, when that cold hits in the shower, you do have that, that startle response, and then you're, you calm your autonomic nervous system by breathing through the cold water, and so I really feel like it's one of those things that's taught my brain to not react as impulsively, maybe when that fight or flight response kicks in. So I or at least I've I've given that a lot of credit for it, so I've been fascinated by this concept for a while. I like that.
Speaker 3:Anecdotes to to that come to mind. One is um, I don't know if either of you ever done cryotherapy. Have you done that? Okay, so. So I did a ultra marathon once. It was a one of the hundred mile races, and then at the end they were handing out these, these coupons for a free cryotherapy session, and I'd never done it. And so there's a couple of. I just looked up while we were, while you were sharing the details. But there's a bunch of cryotherapy centers in the area that I'm in now.
Speaker 3:I'm back in my California office today, but the cryotherapy was, was mind blowing. And so you go in there and, and I verified the temperatures, but there was one chamber that was at the time it was minus 90 and apparently can go from negative 90 to negative one, 20. And you're in there and you're basically just wearing a swimsuit or you know, but they had you wear gloves for your extremities, socks and then, and then a face mask and it was to breathe through. And and so you, you're in there for I think it was about 90 seconds, and it's cold and you're just moving and moving, and moving, and then you jump into the second chamber, if you can, and that one's negative 240.
Speaker 3:And now, when there were frost on the ground and you're just like in circles and you try to make it 30 seconds, and then when you get out, then you jump on an exercise bike and and just start pedaling and that and Dr Jeff can maybe science this one, the uh, but it felt like the all the blood went to protect my heart, liver organs or whatever that would be. So then, when you get on this bike and start pedaling, the flush that you felt of just the blood then going out to the extremities of the body in this. I don't know how solid the science is on this, but the belief in the cryotherapy world, I believe, is that then that helps flush out the lactic acid, and so then I was immediately on board, but then I only allowed myself to do a cryotherapy treatment on races that were over 50 miles, so you know. So I was probably doing it two or three times a year, but I believe it helps speed up recovery.
Speaker 1:How often do they recommend?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I couldn't find that information, and so I think part of me did that because I was a cheapskate as well, and at the time it was you know cause. I think it would have been amazing. And then when I would go there on other occasions, they would have pictures up of a local high school basketball team or local high school football team or that they would all go for cryo. And I had a client at that time who was, uh, who was a custom home builder, and he had talked about building a cryotherapy chamber in a home for one of the local professional athletes in the area. So I thought that was really you know that that was the that's been around. The cryotherapy has been around for a little while and my experience has been good with that. And, and then the last. The anecdotal is and, jeff, you, you went to Japan right On your mission right, I did so the, the Onsen.
Speaker 3:is that what it was called the?
Speaker 1:hot springs.
Speaker 3:Onsen, no-transcript, but I was at one one time that was so amazing and picturesque and it had a cold pool as well as all the hot Springs, and so I didn't, I didn't think twice and I just went from hot, hot, hot, and then I just went right into the cold and I swear to you, I thought I had a heart attack because I, I mean, and it was, it was the worst, scariest experience of my life, because I was just sitting there and I was like I and I didn't know what was going on. This was 20 years ago and I just felt like every my chest was constricting and I didn't. I'm in Japan, you know. And then Yoshida-san had probably had a couple of nips of sake out at the, you know, the karaoke bar when we were there earlier I'm not even being stereotypical we had done that, I mean, I'm not a drinker and so I was sitting there thinking I am on my own here in Japan, I don't speak the language, and I'm having a heart attack, you know, and I and, and I just sat there, and then I just finally got out and I just sat over and about 10, 15 minutes later I started to feel like my heart was not, but I think it was probably.
Speaker 3:Dr Jeff you can tell me, was it constriction of blood vessels or going from that hot to cold too fast?
Speaker 2:Probably going from hot to cold too fast and also you probably induced your own fight or flight response. Oh, okay, and so you were. You know there's fight, flight or freeze, and I think you went right to freeze.
Speaker 3:Literally.
Speaker 2:And so you probably put your heart under some strain.
Speaker 3:It was crazy yeah.
Speaker 2:And the fortunate thing is that you weren't actually in a bad position, so you and your heart was in a was healthy, so you recovered fairly quickly, so that's good yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but when Tricia was talking about the negative benefits, I paid particular attention, because you know I only look at this stuff as oh it's, it's amazing and positive. But man, that makes sense, though.
Speaker 1:The contrast of what I could do. I'm glad you shared that your experience too because I think that that's really important that people know that this-.
Speaker 2:This is not all fun and games. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:You have to make sure that you're healthy, that this is going to be something that could benefit you and not hurt you, because this is a different regimen that you can create in your life, but if you don't do it the right way, it could definitely be a problem for you. But I also one thing that I well. First of all, what are some thoughts you had, jeff?
Speaker 2:I was thinking that, first of all, anecdotally, doing this myself, tricia has talked to me about this and said, okay, doing this myself, tricia has talked to me about this and said, okay, I want you to try this and see what you think. And I'm like, oh no, not one more thing like this, because sometimes, when you have a health coach as a wife. There's all kinds of things that come along that you get to be the first guinea pig on oh that sounds fun.
Speaker 2:So sometimes it's fun and sometimes it's less fun. So so I went. Okay, I'll try it. But what I did first was I had just gotten off the Peloton bicycle, so I had just done a heavy workout. So I was pretty, pretty hot and my face was flushed. I was, you know, still in the just immediate post-recovery. I had already done my cool down, but I was still moving pretty good there as far as flushing and my body temperature was up. So I got in the shower, did a quick wash and then I did this 20 seconds on for warm and then 10 seconds of cold, and usually with our shower it turns out to be longer than that. I remember the first time that I went from warm to cold I thought my hair was going to fall out and my body was going to seize and everything was.
Speaker 2:I was hyperventilating and I thought, for sure, this was it. Okay, kind of like you. And so I'm like, how fast can I turn this back to warm? And? And I'm spinning in the shower cause, and I I couldn't find the knob to turn it, and I was just I, if I wasn't laughing so hard I would have cried, and so so then I turned it back to warm and I'm like whew, okay, well, I thought, well I better do this again.
Speaker 2:And so then I turned it back to warm and I'm like, okay, well, I thought, well, I better do this again. And so I did this back and forth thing and I did 10 times, just like she asked. And it was true, at about number seven or eight I was feeling more accommodated and I felt like this was invigorating. I was feeling yes, I was still kind of hyperventilating a bit, but I was still I was tolerating it really well and I felt more clarity and I just I felt good. So I got out of there and I turned it back to warm before I left the shower and felt good. And then got out of the shower and I, you know, I thought, well, this is pretty good. And then she informed me. Then she informed me you need to leave the shower when you're on cold. And it's like, no, not that.
Speaker 2:And so the next time I did it left it on cold and that was fine. And I'd learned also that if I take the showerhead, we have a handheld shower and I take the showerhead and I use that to go around and instead of making myself dizzy going around in circles, I used the head to go around. So I did that and then finished my shower, left it on cold, put it away, got out of the shower and I thought, well, yeah, that was pretty good, I feel pretty good about it. And then I get this horrible, ornery terrible text from Trisha later. Ornery, terrible text from Trisha later. Because I had left the showerhead pointed at the door and so when she turned on the shower it went straight cold right at her and also came out on the floor. She was not happy with me.
Speaker 1:I had to get inside the shower to turn it off. I had to flip the yeah.
Speaker 2:So she was not happy with me. So I'm still waiting for, you know, the revenge. Cold to come, it'll happen, yeah, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, but it's true.
Speaker 2:It really did work, and the only cautions I would have as a physician is to make sure that your blood pressure is under control, that you have normal bodily functions, and if you're worried or concerned about that, it might not be a good thing for you. Consult with your doctor before you do that.
Speaker 1:Yep, those are all excellent. Thank you so much. And I kind of wanted to go back to Tony and I'm glad you brought up just kind of resiliency, because that's how this whole thing got started is one of the things that I really focus on in my practice is widening that green zone. We kind of call that the green zone of resilience, and this is one of those applications that you can use to widen that green zone. So you've got that hyper, you've got that hypo. This widens that green zone. I mean you can't see my hands, but I've got this big span in front of me with my hands separated, and the hyper is on top, the hypo was on the bottom and what it does when you go into a fight or flight situation, just like Tony just shared, you can handle things differently and so when you would normally become really angry or agitated, you can put that experiences do is help put your CEO back online and it just kind of widens that gap for you. So thank you for sharing that Both of you.
Speaker 2:That was really great. So give it a try, people. If it's something that you're interested in and you're otherwise healthy, go ahead and give it a try. It'll very likely help you feel better throughout your day, make you more focused, especially in your the first part of well, just as soon as you do it, and whether it's morning or evening, you'll have some invigoration that will help you be more focused. So it's a really cool thing.
Speaker 1:Well, and it's been great because I'm having all my clients try this and some are like I can never do that and I just I challenge them. Okay, this is something that I would like you to at least try in the next two weeks, just once, and usually it's the day before they meet with me that they try it, just to say that they did it and they're like, oh my gosh, I will totally do this again. This was not as bad. The first half is hard. The last half is so much easier. So just keep going. You get to five.
Speaker 1:Just know that by the time you get to seven or eight, you will feel different. You will feel more inv, feel different, you will feel more invigorated, you'll feel more alive and, like I said, and this will be great for Tony too, because I don't I'm not a great sleeper and so sometimes I wake up and I'm just my head is just not all together and wow, does that wake you up? And I just feel so much better and I feel better for hours. So it's, it's really, really amazing. So I do hope you try it.
Speaker 3:Hey, so now that, now that we're getting to the end of it and I'm back in, I'm sold and I'm not trying to find like things to sound smart on my phone and I apologize if you could notice that the how many? Okay, 10, 10 rounds of what were the-.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's do this again. So you go in, you just soap up, do all your shower things, and then you turn it on hot, as hot as you can.
Speaker 3:Now be careful with the temperature. I missed that part, okay.
Speaker 1:Yep, and when you are the reason that you wanna move, you don't have to spin around. But I go slowly because you wanna get full exposure of the water and you want to say it out loud. So you are voicing out loud one, two, three. And you're not going one, two, three, four, five. You know you got it's. It's 20 seconds. So one, two, three, yeah, and then you turn it right to cold Again. You have control of the temperature and then each time you may get a little bit colder, but if it's too cold then change it a little bit. But that's when I put my head in. I keep my head out of the hot water but I put it in in the cold water. And boy you know. And you talk about good for your skin. You know the the heat is harder for your skin, but the cold closes those pores and it does some nice things for your skin. So that's why you also end on cold. So it's 20 seconds hot, 10 seconds cold, 10 times and then you end on cold and is that a Tabata workout?
Speaker 3:Is that the two to one? Is that a? So is it a Tabata heat ratio?
Speaker 1:Something interesting. I'm glad you brought that up because they actually shared that when you are doing the heat, like if you're in the hot saunas or even in a bath, it's like having a light workout, because your heart is really pumping and it's doing the same kinds of things it would in a. So that's been really interesting to learn as well. Oh, I like that. Okay, yeah, I do too.
Speaker 2:And you breathe really fast too.
Speaker 3:And you just gave me permission. It sounds like you guys told me I need to buy a sauna because I would like one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely Get the red light therapy sauna.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's what I want to get one day. Yes, okay. So we want to hear from you too. We want to know if you've used the hot cold contrast therapy and what your experience was. So if you want to share that on our social media or email us on Trisha Jamison coaching at gmailcom, that would be wonderful. We'd love to hear your story and, who knows, maybe you'd be featured on our next episode. So, as we wrap up today's episode, remember that, like many wellness practices, contrast therapy isn't a one-size-fits-all solution. It's about finding what works best for you and your body, whether you're an athlete, a wellness enthusiast or just someone curious about improving your health in a new way. Exploring the power of fire and ice might just be what you're looking for. So thank you so much for being here, and we can't wait to see you next week.
Speaker 2:Have a great week.
Speaker 3:Thanks everybody, thanks everybody.
Speaker 1:Thanks for tuning in to the Q&A Files, delighted to share today's gems of wisdom with you. Your questions light up our show, fueling the engaging dialogues that make our community. I'm Trisha Jamieson, signing off. Stay curious, keep thriving and keep smiling, and I'll catch you on the next episode.
