S1E15 Artificial Intelligence real stories Interviewing J R Herbert

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In the world of sports and art, the human experience unfolds in unexpectedly diverse ways. Our podcast episode brings to light the many shades of life's tapestry, interwoven with the threads of mishaps, mastery, and the marvels of modern technology. We kick off the discussion with an overview of recent sports events, diving into the Baltimore In the world of sports and art, the human experience unfolds in unexpectedly diverse ways. Our podcast episode brings to light the many shades of life's tapestry, interwoven with the threads of mishaps, mastery, and the marvels of modern technology. We kick off the discussion with an overview of recent sports events, diving into the Baltimore Orioles' performance against formidable rivals. The conversation takes a deeper turn as we ponder the impact of injuries on athletes' careers, especially highlighting Grayson Rodriguez's situation. Sports, with its triumphs and trials, reflects life's unpredictable nature, a theme that carries throughout our episode.

Shifting from the crack of the bat to the stroke of the brush, we strip down to the bare essentials of art. Nude modeling, a subject shrouded in both reverence and controversy, is laid bare as I recount my own experiences posing for my artist wife. This intimate art form, often hidden behind the studio doors of institutions like MICA, prompts us to consider the contrasts between public perceptions of nudity and its respected place in academia. Our discussion peels back layers, exposing the vulnerability and strength required to model, and the nuances that male and female models navigate within this profession.

The role of artificial intelligence in the arts also comes under scrutiny. We marvel at AI's capacity to synthesize information and its burgeoning influence on content creation, yet we also grapple with the implications for human creativity. Could we be approaching a "WALL-E"-esque future where consumption trumps creation? This philosophical debate underscores our deep-seated need to cherish the human spark within our artistic and technological pursuits.

As the night unfolds, we find ourselves in the throes of late-night comedic musings, reflecting on the lighter side of life's trials and tribulations. The power of laughter to bind us, even amid overwork and exhaustion, is a reminder of the resilience of the human spirit. Our exchange celebrates the serendipitous moments that make life rich and the connections that sustain us.

To cap off the season, we circle back to the theme of sports and artistry, drawing parallels between athletic endeavors and creative exploits. We muse on the physical and psychological parallels of performing under pressure, whether on the field or in front of an easel. The episode concludes with an affirmation of life's ironies and the beauty of our shared human experience.

In essence, this podcast episode is an ode to the varied facets of life that each of us encounters. Through sports, art, and the advancement of technology, we are reminded of our collective journey's intricacy and the importance of embracing each twist and turn with humor, introspection, and a touch of grace.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:11

how come?

Speaker 2: 0:11

I didn't like.

Speaker 1: 0:12

She said she was gonna do that. Yeah, she didn't do it she's like I got this.

Speaker 2: 0:16

Sure, okay, I'll do that can't trust a woman crispy currently. What do we have happening today? Cj.

Speaker 1: 0:26

A whole agenda. You're talking.

Speaker 2: 0:28

Between you and Nick. You guys both get everything outside of my little world.

Speaker 1: 0:34

Right, here's your update for the week. How about sports? This sounds a little bit better. How about sports? Sports, I can do.

Speaker 2: 0:41

That's the main thing I need from you today.

Speaker 1: 0:43

Recent Orioles news. We had an awful series against the A's. We lost two of a three-game series. We had a pretty great series against the Yanks. We won three out of four. Kyle, bradish and John Means are back in the rotation. Bradish went today, had a great outing Zero runs allowed.

Speaker 2: 1:02

Zero runs allowed. What does that mean?

Speaker 1: 1:04

That means there was a zero score when he left the game oh, okay yeah, and uh, grayson rodriguez is on the il for some bullshit, roster manipulation, so bradish and means could come back and they're gonna figure out how to work that out in 15 days. Uh, they say he's hurt on the il means injury list or whatever, and uh, he's. It was like arm soreness. Anytime I see something about soreness, I know it's bullshit. You know that's not a real reason to put somebody on the il. Um, in other good-ish news, they found the the fifth of six people that were lost in the bridge. Uh, disaster, they found five of the six. Yeah, they lost in the bridge. Disaster, they found five of the six. Yeah, they found like the fifth one yesterday.

Speaker 1: 1:48

Wow, that's incredible stuff, Yep. So we got one more to find. Fingers crossed, but you know, hopefully that brings a bit of closure to the family. They gave us a an update schedule. What broad schedule. When we're going to have a bridge again about 2020, fall of 2028 and 1.9 million billion dollars.

Speaker 2: 2:10

I was gonna say, when you said million, I'm like yeah, yeah it is?

Speaker 1: 2:13

is the the goal? I can tell you from experience, those uh early on schedules often are not met, but we'll all keep uh our fingers crossed for hope right now yeah I'm still. I'm sticking with my five-year plan, so I'm thinking 2029, spring 2029, it's actually finished. I don't have anything to say about the bridge. I mean, I just saw that on the news today other than I.

Speaker 2: 2:36

Then I I listened, re-listened to our bridge podcast and I heard a lot of uh errors in our podcast and I went you know what? That's what we knew at the point.

Speaker 1: 2:44

Exactly, that was like the two days after it happened.

Speaker 2: 2:47

Like I'm listening to it, I was like ooh ouch man, that was way off.

Speaker 3: 2:52

Hey, we're putting ourselves out there.

Speaker 2: 2:55

Yeah, I mean we get it. I hope you guys get it.

Speaker 1: 2:58

But I'm still. I did say five years then and I'm sticking with my five-year schedule. No, I'm with you on that. That was pretty good.

Speaker 2: 3:05

I think we did the best we could. Yeah, I mean, it's incredible.

Speaker 1: 3:08

What's been going on in your life, dan? Oh my God. Last time we talked, you were going to take your boat out and your jet skis out that happen, yes I did. How'd it go man?

Speaker 2: 3:25

I took both jet skis out out and the one jet ski I was confident was working them out well and it was. I got it all back to the thing and I put it back on the on the, got it out and back back all by myself. I mean, there's not many people out in the water right now so I probably today. There is because it's 95 degrees out for the first time ever since last year for the first time during this time of year yeah, this time a long time, probably decades yes it, yes, it's like the sun exploded today.

Speaker 2: 3:50

I do remember what I was going to say Go for it.

Speaker 4: 3:53

The Unified Command, I believe, has hopes to have the dolly refloated by the 10th of this month.

Speaker 1: 4:00

Wow, that's not far away. That's like next Friday, eight days away. Eight days away. That's not how that goes.

Speaker 4: 4:04

I know it's not far away. That's like next Friday, eight days away.

Speaker 1: 4:05

Eight days away.

Speaker 2: 4:07

That's not how that goes.

Speaker 1: 4:08

I know it's a week.

Speaker 2: 4:10

But yeah, that's incredible, I expected. Every time I look over I'm like that thing is still there, Right, you know?

Speaker 1: 4:16

they're going to repaint it, change the name of the thing so they can't get sued. Oh yeah, they're going to float that thing to West Africa and change the name of it.

Speaker 2: 4:28

Yeah, repaint the whole. Thing.

Speaker 4: 4:30

It'll only take a couple of hours Instead of the Salvador Nelly it's the Pablo Picasso Right.

Speaker 1: 4:33

They'll never notice.

Speaker 2: 4:37

It is insane stuff.

Speaker 1: 4:39

How about the other one you said one of them did very well Jet ski?

Speaker 2: 4:44

So the jet skis I got, so I got back back and forth with one. It was great, it was amazing. And I go on the second one and I get out there on the water and it just keeps like like dying off and I'm like what the hell it keeps dying off. And then so I figured out something about a little. You know, I had an air leak and the gas. I came back to the dock and fix that, go back out and I noticed there's still water coming inside of it.

Speaker 2: 5:06

Oh, that's no good yeah, I just I don't know. I just don't feel comfortable having water come into a boat, a vessel.

Speaker 1: 5:13

Especially if you're out there by yourself and not many people around.

Speaker 2: 5:15

Yeah, I came back. I come back and you know I took off the jet. So right now I have one jet ski with the jet off, but I'm going to reinstall it with a new ski. Well, yeah, it's just, it's just, uh, it'll has a, I guess a six inch wide hole where the jet is supposed to go through so really it wouldn't force air or water through it would be a ski until water got all the way inside gotcha, and then it will be a sink.

Speaker 1: 5:42

How about the boat? Did you get the boat out?

Speaker 2: 5:44

I have not had the boat out. I'm still working on. It's a very long I I'm. I was dealing with the oil change dilemma. In order to get to the oil plug you have to be up to your shoulders. Uh, an engine, the bottom of the engine has to be at your shoulder. It takes me a little bit of motivation to get out there to do this thing to that point yeah, so I'm done.

Speaker 2: 6:03

Plus, you need time to be able to put it all back together, so, yeah, I have to take the manifolds off and the muffler, the exhaust, you know, all that stuff, whatever, in layman's terms, the whole exhaust system that with the water flowing through it has to come off. It's a big mess. So right now I'm getting ready to reinstall the manifold and gaskets and exhaust. Uh, you know, once that's all done and I can start it up and I can try to strand nick out in the water again but you have to be there so you can save them yeah, yeah, no, I mean like me and him go out and we get stuck oh stranded together?

Speaker 2: 6:38

yeah, stranded together. Have we been pulled back together? Nick on the boat? I've been pulled back on the boat, I just don't know if you're like there possibly was one time, but I can't be sure not on the string.

Speaker 4: 6:48

They call that string towing I know we towed somebody before. I believe it was a chinese lady and a chinese man ah, that was on wave runners.

Speaker 2: 6:56

That was on brendan's wave runners, wasn't it?

Speaker 1: 6:58

yeah, wait, you were on the wave runners and you we've towed a boat with the wave runners. Yes, because I know it's kind of awesome actually. Yeah we.

Speaker 2: 7:09

We were towing brendan's boat with his wave runner and so I, I, uh, I think I think nick got paid for doing that right oh, we both did yeah, we both got 25 dollars yeah from the chinese

Speaker 1: 7:20

couple.

Speaker 2: 7:21

It's also something you're having fun doing so oh man, that's great, you have a couple bucks too brendan got his boat out there and then his trailer got damaged upon I don't know. We had to transport a boat that wasn't running as well, so he damaged his trailer, so he couldn't pull it out, so we had to tow the boat over to somewhere else because the boat wouldn't run correctly. There's a lot of boats are not easy over somewhere else because the boat wouldn't run correct.

Speaker 1: 7:44

There's a lot of boats are not easy.

Speaker 2: 7:45

No, that's why they call them Brendan and I are on our uh, larger vessel steps, owning a huge boat. You don't just get a really, really big one. You got to go up in steps.

Speaker 1: 7:57

Uh, that's not true. If you're a billionaire, you can go ahead and do it because you can also get to pay people to take care of it for you as working individuals.

Speaker 2: 8:06

we don't just go from owning my first boat. My first vessel was a 16-foot 1960 Cadillac. An old looks like a John boat kind of.

Speaker 1: 8:17

Is it actually made by Cadillac?

Speaker 2: 8:20

Yes, it was actually a Cadillac boat. Yes, Not to get sidetracked off the boat situation, we have a person we're going to be speaking to today. His name is John. I'm not sure if he wants to use his last name or not.

Speaker 1: 8:32

We'll let him use his last name if we want. But he'll be John for now. I think it'll be good Fiction and artificial intelligence.

Speaker 2: 8:39

Artificial, artificial. Hey there, john, welcome to the podcast. How are you, sir? Thank you fine. Thank you all right, so we have. We're going to sound off here, so you know who's in studio. We have, of course, my dog, buddy, is in studio. Um, john wasn't here for the boat talk. We were talking about boat stuff earlier. But I'm dan, we have. Who else we have here?

Speaker 1: 9:01

uh nick and this is cj, nice to meet you, you too yeah, what did?

Speaker 2: 9:06

you mean by fiction? Because there's a lot of fiction out there. There's like fake stuff. There's fiction where it's like made up by other people. What do you think, cj, of what? What would you say when I said fiction?

Speaker 1: 9:17

uh, fiction makes me think of stephen king or, you know, fiction novels for the most part, but most movies are also fiction. So, okay, that type of stuff. Yeah, movies are faking media that is not of uh, that doesn't have real background material to come from fiction.

Speaker 3: 9:36

Uh, there are a couple kinds, you know. There's like official literature, there's pop stuff that might make it or not. Uh, yeah, stephen king's huge. Uh, there's humor within a lot of fiction and there's humor in these people approaching, you know, like, uh, are people elite or snobbish or are they full of shit or like, how much is there to be found? Uh, swinging between uh, high-end stuff and, uh, humorous. Uh, there's a character, virgil Flowers. He's a character of John Sandborn as the author, like a state equivalent of an FBI in Minnesota. Yeah, it's a series. Virgil Flowers is a series. Okay, and I read the eighth one twice.

Speaker 3: 10:24

I think it was like the eighth, like I didn't feel compelled to go back to number one, but I liked it enough to read it twice. So it's called Virgil Flowers. He's the main guy in the series. Like, if you look it up, it jumps out who are you? I'm a painter, writer, videographer. Art model, art model, nude writer, videographer. Art model, art model, nude. Yeah, nude.

Speaker 2: 10:45

we could get into that if you would if you want to ask about, if you want to talk about that cj, what do you think about that?

Speaker 1: 10:50

I mean I've, I've done it, you, whoa, but my wife is an artist. My wife, she is an artist.

Speaker 3: 10:58

I've only done it for her and well, I've done it for strangers quite a lot yeah yeah, nick, how about you nude modeling?

Speaker 4: 11:06

I can't say that I've I've partaken would you?

Speaker 2: 11:09

would you? How much would it cost to get you a front, a full? Let's just go back nudity. Well, how much does it cost? For, in fact, keep in mind, I have some money so full butt in view. I want to get nick, but how much does that cost for one photo? And what, John? What do you do with these nude models?

Speaker 4: 11:26

He's the model John's the model. A photo is worth a thousand words, so at least a thousand dollars.

Speaker 2: 11:32

Mine's worth a thousand hairs.

Speaker 3: 11:35

Tell me about that. Photography is another thing. Photography is another thing. I don't do photography. Okay, just painting, or not just, but yeah, that's, that's what my wife does every time he says my wife, I'm like my wife she did with the paint brushes and all that and I'm tilting it to uh drawing in particular because I like the quick action poses rather than the standing. The same pose for three weeks or whatever yeah, I can't.

Speaker 2: 12:04

That makes sense. Okay, so nude model was not what I thought it was going to be. That was just still.

Speaker 1: 12:09

I'm happier when you know it was. It's not photography. Was it for like a college, like for a college class, that you were?

Speaker 3: 12:16

mainly it's.

Speaker 4: 12:17

I am at art institute, maryland institute, so yeah, how come people who like do public nudity and get arrested for it Don't just go to a college and be like hey you guys.

Speaker 3: 12:35

I know like a couple hundred people that uh art model, but I only know about three official nudists nudist people well, well, well, they say that's a bad word nudist. Well, colony, oh okay, I'm not sure, I don't really care, but but like they said it's a bad, like you have an ant colony.

Speaker 3: 12:55

You've got this, you know. Like just a group of naked people, uh, yeah, right, and they uh so like one of them comments on it, like how it's illegal to be outside, but you go inside the right building, you're not? You get, you get paid for it yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 13:12

Do you get paid to do the nude modeling when you work at micah?

Speaker 3: 13:16

oh, indeed, and it's like a job. You know, it's a job, that's incredible how long is the set?

Speaker 1: 13:21

or is the session normally like an hour, three hours, I don't know somewhere?

Speaker 3: 13:24

like six hours, 20 minutes, 10 minutes off.

Speaker 2: 13:28

Okay, give you some time to flex your muscles and bend your knees and all yeah, do you like you have pumped yourself up, or are they like we're gonna sketch this nasty looking man? Is that you know? Like how? How do you?

Speaker 3: 13:39

how I'm kind of I'm not as bony as some guys, I'm not as fat as some others, so I'm kind of I've got like a lot of wiggle room.

Speaker 2: 13:46

That's yeah, I mean I would go now. Everybody is where do you want the right?

Speaker 1: 13:53

they would love me up there, man, there's more more to draw.

Speaker 3: 13:59

now, none of this is official like they're all you. All types are equal and all Everybody's the same. But you get different kind of feedback and it's different for males than it is for females.

Speaker 1: 14:11

Of course.

Speaker 3: 14:12

I'd rather be a middle-aged male than a middle-aged female in this racket any day.

Speaker 2: 14:17

So, nick was your question earlier how much does it cost to have a nude model?

Speaker 4: 14:25

What was your question? That wasn't my question at all, so, like my, my it was more or less a statement. It's like you have people who go around and flash people, right you know, just imagine some guy in a trench coat and underneath his trench coat he's naked and he walks up and he's like yeah, yeah well, I think it's because you're being invited, and you're being invited to be new.

Speaker 2: 14:42

But but yeah, you're right, that might be an outlet for somebody who has flashing tendencies. You could go and get paid for it, it does make sense.

Speaker 1: 14:50

I think the flasher is actually trying to get their rocks off, whereas the nude model is really just trying to make a paycheck.

Speaker 2: 14:56

Yeah, this is respectable, and you know maybe show their balls off too.

Speaker 3: 15:04

So, cjj, if we wanted a female? Yeah, yeah, there are different types. There are different types, like there are some people that I think kind of get off when other people don't. Yeah, so how?

Speaker 1: 15:10

much do you get paid an hour to do that? What's it's? That's like 30 now, 30 an hour, or a session that's a pretty good an hour.

Speaker 2: 15:18

That's not bad.

Speaker 1: 15:19

That's not bad at all I mean, I guess it's not that regular of a job, like how many days a year could you really do that and get?

Speaker 2: 15:27

paid how many?

Speaker 1: 15:28

people? You know, I guess yeah, but at micah there's only so many classes.

Speaker 3: 15:31

You know, there's a lot of colleges though there are a lot of colleges, some people bounce around between them. I'm staying with micah uh and I'm enjoying the hell out of their own the tech capacities and the gym and other things there.

Speaker 1: 15:46

Oh, you get to use their facilities, since you're a staff.

Speaker 4: 15:49

They want you to shower first, I guess I mean he's naked inside of them.

Speaker 2: 15:53

Yeah, no, this is incredible stuff, so like I don't know, Like all the processes are tied together.

Speaker 3: 16:00

So fiction, videography, Like I roll from the classroom to the gym, to the computer lab, it's all kind of all my life is all tied together right now that's really cool, yeah, what kind of when you say you're painting or or do you ever like I?

Speaker 2: 16:17

I've seen a few things so few things of your work on the internet a video that you shot there with some art artistry uh, tree in the water, that kind of thing. Did you want to talk about anything? Did you want to promote anything that you've done? That, uh, that people could look up? Who is john? Let me see his work. Did you have anything you wanted to promote?

Speaker 3: 16:34

yeah, john russell, herbert. Uh can be found under that full name on uh youtube or facebook. Yeah, these days, uh, anything I write and anything video and even anything painting, it all has to fit into schedule and whatever I'm psyched about. So all I've painted this year and strong are torso studies of me with a lat machine, with a what it's, a lat pull machine.

Speaker 2: 17:03

A lat latissimus. What is it? What is it called Lats? It's a what? It's a lat pull machine. A lat latissimus. What is it? What is it called Lats? It's a muscle.

Speaker 1: 17:07

It's a muscle.

Speaker 2: 17:08

Isn't there a longer name for it, I'm sure there, is, okay, we get it.

Speaker 3: 17:12

Well, the latissimus dorsi.

Speaker 2: 17:13

There you go.

Speaker 3: 17:15

I knew it it was inside my brain, but the videos I the most are a shoulder thrust on another machine, and uh, and, and uh. So I used to paint mythology, all these kinds of things.

Speaker 2: 17:30

But these days I'm just feeling anatomy.

Speaker 3: 17:31

Isn't it crazy how you just zoom into one thing yeah, and then I uh, then like painterly exploration and the science comes from that, but it but, but just using the video still instead of hiring another model.

Speaker 2: 17:46

Using a video still, where you videotape it and then you paint the shot of a video, because that way you can choose the exact one and it's free.

Speaker 3: 17:56

The exact one. It's free, I don't have to worry about their feelings and all of this stuff Very nice. I don't have to paint somebody. I don't want to worry about their feelings, all this stuff Very nice. I don't have to paint somebody I don't want to look at. I don't have to paint somebody I do want to look at and say it's professional. If it's not, I skirt around all that.

Speaker 2: 18:14

I'm going to just throw one in. From left field, you ever get hit on while you're doing this stuff, this nude modeling and stuff. It's happened, okay. Does it show Different age groups?

Speaker 4: 18:21

this, this, this nude modeling and stuff or like it's happened, okay, yeah, does it different age groups, different age groups.

Speaker 2: 18:26

What was that nick?

Speaker 4: 18:27

I said does it show that you're uh, you're interested?

Speaker 3: 18:34

it has usually. Usually there's no, no heat about that. There may even be positive feelings about that, but yeah, I was gonna say that's a great question, Nick.

Speaker 2: 18:45

Did it move yeah do you ever say I'm sorry about that?

Speaker 1: 18:49

Never apologize.

Speaker 2: 18:50

Can you move that person across the room? So I can't see that person.

Speaker 1: 18:54

It has a mind of its own. Sorry, it's like a dog's tail.

Speaker 4: 18:57

Yeah, tail, I was going to say that was worth you coming over for Nick.

Speaker 2: 19:06

I'm so glad we almost lost nick. He was, uh, he's worked a lot hours and uh, I had to wake him up a lot like 6, 30 or so he was. I thought I was gonna come over and punch me. Yeah, no, it's nice, nice to hear, uh, some stuff from an artist, a fellow artist, john you are part of.

Speaker 1: 19:19

We are extended family, I think, right we're we're step family, if you will yeah, I said brother-in-law, but yeah, it's because I guess it's step brother or something along those lines.

Speaker 2: 19:28

Extended family and, um, I mean it's uh, I'm not gonna be, I'm not gonna be seeing john in any family parties or anything. From here on out, we did, uh, I think a lot of our stuff in our lives have separated, but, um, I, I really saw john at the last event and I said I wanted to, you know, have separated. But, um, I, I really saw john at the last event and I said I wanted to, you know, get, get some uh info out of them and and kind of, just, you know, I will be hearing from you in the future, as with the podcast. That's what the podcast is for to keep people in touch, to keep things moving. Everybody has to share their opinions and, um, anything that you want to share with the world, john, I want you to uh come to me so we can put that out for the world. That's the point of the podcast.

Speaker 3: 20:07

You started the conversation with keyboard, which is kind of my fourth medium, but I do feel it I've dabbled a bit lately again.

Speaker 2: 20:15

I remembered a long, long time ago you went to my father's house and you were recording some keyboard stuff. That's what John's referring to. I was asking him about. You know, have you been writing music? Because I have in my hands right here a bass guitar, so I've been like learning bass guitar. I got a wah pedal and a lot of the what you hear. Most of the music, unless it's like something I also have created via samples, Most of the stuff that sounds live, it is live. It's me playing music in the past 16 podcasts or so.

Speaker 3: 20:47

And there's a violinist I want to bring in as soundtrack on one of my videos.

Speaker 2: 20:51

There we go, see, everybody's all linked up in some way, are you?

Speaker 1: 20:55

meeting them at Micah too. Do they do music at Micah? I'm not sure. I know there's other music.

Speaker 3: 21:01

Well, there are some informal bands and a lot of music appreciation. There are tons of music appreciation and I think on and off they've exchanged with the Peabody Peabody. But I met this guy at a party of a former model. He's a fiction guy, he's a poetry guy and he's a violinist guitarist.

Speaker 2: 21:24

So you want to bring him in on something that you're writing.

Speaker 3: 21:26

Something like a three-minute video like jazzy violin. You're going to have to write it out for him.

Speaker 2: 21:35

Yeah, but this is how art's created. You start out with ideas.

Speaker 1: 21:40

Jam for a little while.

Speaker 2: 21:45

John's got in his head something that he wants to create and this is how it's coming out. So a lot of people don't understand that when you're like, oh yeah, it's this and that and this and that, that's just the beginning part of it. There's a bunch of other visuals in his head. So it's incredible stuff. And now that I know that you know a violinist, when I'm writing my music I will be able to call you, get yourself a fiddle player. Uh, I did have a fiddle. I played with. The band had a fiddle. It was phenomenal nice. This guy. He was all up and down the scales doing just 16th nose triplets.

Speaker 1: 22:12

It's kind of their job, yeah fiddle was so great, so you said you do. Uh, you're writing as well yeah, a lot of fiction.

Speaker 3: 22:20

I'm trying not to write about being a painter art model in baltimore right, because I because I've done about a thousand pages of that. But but so I kind of I zone in at the gym, but I'm at the art institute, but I like, I pretend, like like I'm an old, like thick jewish cop that's supposed to do crunches.

Speaker 2: 22:45

What. But instead of doing his crunches.

Speaker 3: 22:48

He wants to do the shoulder thrust, to slam down doors. All right Now. I'm not technically Jewish and I'm not exactly portly and I'm not a cop, but like it's just jolting myself into fiction. I don't have an ex-wife with alimony. I don't have an ulcer with alimony. I don't have an ulcer. That's a plus. But Officer Katz has all those problems and it's funny to think about it but it's also sad.

Speaker 1: 23:11

So it's a good story. Throw all those problems onto your poor character.

Speaker 2: 23:16

John, we spoke about artificial intelligence. Did you read that artificial intelligence created all the generated thing that was on the last podcast? Did you read all of that stuff that the computer created?

Speaker 3: 23:27

Well, I'm not sure. I found a blurb, but I wasn't sure if it was. Yeah, the blurb that was, it didn't jump out.

Speaker 1: 23:33

Whatever blurb you saw was probably AI generated because Dan can't write that. Well, I can't write at all. I can't write for shit.

Speaker 2: 23:46

So everything I write is just going to be like duh. This is exactly what we did boom and that's it. Everything else, that's all like the. I think it started off with our, our ten dollar. It was the one with our ten dollar gift on it that's right, it said it said when life throws you a key chain, ball sack.

Speaker 2: 23:58

Uh, that's how it started. I swear to, and that was AI generated based off of what we said on the podcast. So it spoke. It took the podcast audio and made it into not a paragraph of us, it's not. It wasn't like a stenographed, you know paragraph. It was literally a summary of that somebody who knew how to write Shakespeare.

Speaker 1: 24:19

So you had the AI listen to the entire podcast.

Speaker 2: 24:22

Yes, and it created that three-paragraph summary.

Speaker 1: 24:25

That's kind of awesome man, it was incredible. The singularity is coming, though you just watch out. I know they're going to come they're going to be. We're not going to be able to eat without having the computer make their food for us. I, for one, can't wait for our robot overlords.

Speaker 2: 24:42

It's going to be pretty cool, but we're going to be screwed A little Skynet, yep.

Speaker 3: 24:48

Yeah, I'm kind of not keen. I think it's going to destroy people's souls. I don't think robots are going to kill people.

Speaker 2: 24:56

I think that people are soulless in general. My personal thought. You know, it is nice to think that there is an outside force, but yeah, it's not going to kill us.

Speaker 1: 25:06

It's going to be like have you ever seen the movie WALL-E?

Speaker 2: 25:09

Oh yeah, that's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1: 25:11

There's going to be a bunch of fat, useless human beings, and the robots are going to be doing all the work and we don't do anything but consume consume.

Speaker 3: 25:24

We create. Create nothing anymore. Which is what's the point. We're not going to be able to fake some people better than others. Like if somebody lives out of uh magazine ads it, like if some wife, somebody's wife, talks about j-lo all the time, the ai will be able to uh dictate her soul and her husband won't even notice. Right, but then then somebody else might be a little more complicated, but it's getting better and better, you know yeah, what really?

Speaker 2: 25:46

what really scares me is the ai generated voice, uh, automatic telephone call type systems that are, you know, like the stuff that's going to affect us. Quicker than all of a sudden, they can reproduce themselves and take over the world.

Speaker 1: 25:59

You can't press zero to get a real person anymore. No, no, it's going to affect us quicker than all of a sudden. They can reproduce themselves and take over the world. You can't press zero to get a real person anymore.

Speaker 2: 26:04

No, no, it's not even that it's that somebody's going to be calling you and it's going to sound exactly like nick and cj, or it'll sound like john, and we're not actually talking to john. We're we've been talking right now to a computer. You don't even know it john's a computer.

Speaker 1: 26:15

John is a computer. I don't believe that.

Speaker 2: 26:18

No, that what do you think you shouldn't believe it?

Speaker 1: 26:21

that's what a robot would say that's what a robot would say that's.

Speaker 2: 26:27

That's the shit that really gets me kind of creeped out. You don't know if you're even dealing with a human right. That's what. That's what really bothers me about ai.

Speaker 4: 26:39

I don't know if, nick, you have any thoughts on that yeah, becoming increasingly more difficult to decipher what is real and what's fake yeah well, I asked some ai about the quandary of ai and and it gave me this long elaborate diplomatic political answer.

Speaker 1: 26:59

don't worry about anything, guys, everything's going to be fine.

Speaker 3: 27:02

It sounded like a human. It sounded like a human being on the tape being political.

Speaker 2: 27:08

But a human being. It's so cool. It's cool, but it's scary. That's all. It's very hard to decipher.

Speaker 1: 27:17

But at some point we're going to get to either Blade Runner or Star Trek. Whichever one we're going to get to, uh, either either blade runner or or star trek, whichever one, but there's going to be androids, human looking robots that have an ai brain. That's most likely. I mean, and this main will most likely not be within our lifetime, but it's, it's, it's in the it's in the hopper so, so what.

Speaker 2: 27:41

I've been watching on tv, or, I'm sorry, on netflix, because I don't really have tv, except for whatever's digitally popping up. Whenever I turn the tv on, which I hate, it's always the negative stuff. I'm just like oh my god, there are people screaming at each other, shopping centers and stuff. I've been watching the show. I believe it's called Resident Alien. It's a very goofy, pretty fun.

Speaker 1: 28:04

I like it. It's fun. I haven't watched the most recent season, but I liked it.

Speaker 2: 28:08

It's goofy and it's got some good.

Speaker 1: 28:11

What's the guy's name? Alan Tudyk. I'd have to look it up. It's something, tudyk, but he's a hilarious actor. That's what reminds me of the ai. He was also steve the pirate and alan alan t-u-d-y-k tudyk yeah, uh, yeah, there is no alien here.

Speaker 2: 28:31

Show yourself out. I don't know. I just love that kind of stuff. That it's uh, reminds me of the guy. That's all I got. So, john, I just yeah, it's nice to hear from you. Uh, we do generally keep. You keep the guests about 15 minutes or so um before we.

Speaker 2: 28:46

Well, I'm sure we'll. We'll be chatting again in the near future. Is there anything specifically you wanted to say to the 3800 or so people that are out there in the world? Something that you go throughout your day has nothing to do with art or nude modeling or anything, and you're like. I wish I could tell everyone this. What is that? I'll put them on the spot well, uh 3 500 people. 3 800 people who do you?

Speaker 3: 29:11

well, uh, I live on the county city line okay and there's a lot of uh, social dynamism on that line. I commute one way or the other across it all the time. A lot of outdoors, not interesting people, some crime, and I'm feeling it all.

Speaker 2: 29:27

You're feeling the crime.

Speaker 3: 29:29

Well, I don't like it, but I'm also noticing and feeling good folks trying to hold together. Okay.

Speaker 1: 29:36

Who are you feeling in the Senate race? What about Trone, that guy Trone? There's Trone versus all Brooks, or also Brooks, something like that who are going against each other for the Democratic nomination.

Speaker 2: 29:51

Are we talking about Maryland Senate?

Speaker 1: 29:52

Maryland Federal Senate yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:54

Okay.

Speaker 1: 29:55

And on the Republican side it's Hogan versus this Robin Ficker guy. He's a Trumper.

Speaker 3: 30:03

I feel sorry for Hogan, by the way. Without getting officially political, he's in a spot Like no national chance at all in the Trump era.

Speaker 1: 30:14

I think he has a pretty good shot at the Senate. Of course not, I don't think he's going to win presidency or anything like that.

Speaker 3: 30:22

He's made for this state. He's made for crossovers and moderates in this state.

Speaker 1: 30:27

This is an overall Democratic state and he won gubernatorial twice. I could see him taking Senate, but I think Trone has the best chance to beat him on the Democratic side. I see Trone working his angles yeah, he's all over the tv and there's little posters up on the medians of roadways different demographic angles.

Speaker 3: 30:50

You know playing up one part of the platform for one demographic versus another.

Speaker 1: 30:54

Yeah, it's um he's, he's, he's politicking. Real good out there electioneering I should.

Speaker 2: 31:01

I almost want to know what he thinks about Donald Trump.

Speaker 3: 31:03

John Herbert. What do you think about Donald Trump? John Russell Herbert.

Speaker 2: 31:06

John Russell Herbert. What do you think about Donald Trump?

Speaker 3: 31:08

Well, personally, I don't like him In 30 seconds or less.

Speaker 2: 31:11

30 seconds or less.

Speaker 3: 31:12

Well, the Dems gave it to him years ago by dropping the working class you could say the white working class, just the working class. They became an elitist party, at least in the minds of a lot of people, and that's how he got his foot in the door. That's why McCain or Romney didn't do it. So it's a lot of generational things happen within this thing we call right and left. So, like years ago, you could be left as far as managing the economy, but maybe not talk about trans issues all the time. But that's all changed. Right, it's all kind of lumped together now.

Speaker 3: 31:55

It's lumped together.

Speaker 1: 31:56

If you don't believe in every facet of it, you're shunned to the other side or something along those lines nick has a lot of stuff, right, nick?

Speaker 2: 32:05

he's just staying out of it for nick.

Speaker 1: 32:07

That was a no, that was not 10 foot pole extended yeah, I don't have anything that needs to be shared.

Speaker 4: 32:15

Okay, so I'm getting.

Speaker 2: 32:16

I'm getting the wrap it up button from. Uh, wrapping it up here. So you said Donald Trump for president, right? He did not say that.

Speaker 3: 32:23

I did not. I said I understand the phenomenon. I didn't say I'm happy about it.

Speaker 2: 32:28

Comedy show. Comedy show Good stuff.

Speaker 3: 32:31

I understand the fight, but it's comedy.

Speaker 2: 32:33

It's funny. Yes, john, that is funny. It's hilarious, I feel All right. Well, that is funny, it's hilarious, I feel All right. Well, john, we will be speaking to you in the future. Yes, I will see you. Let's not lose touch in the world of this crazy world, and I'll talk to you when robots will answer the phone for us, okay.

Speaker 1: 32:50

Nice talking with you. Thanks for calling in Nice talking to you.

Speaker 3: 32:53

Yes, thanks. Okay, see you, man. Good evening, everybody Take.

Speaker 1: 32:56

John seems like a pretty good guy, to tell you the truth.

Speaker 2: 32:58

The last episode of season one, we had a man that was a train hopping, homeless person and whatnot, and he was good. Sean, yeah, finds some level playing ground with him. Sean said that what was the statistic, nick? How many percent are good?

Speaker 4: 33:16

96.

Speaker 2: 33:17

96% of people are good. Uh-uh-uh, nick, you got 3,800 people to talk to.

Speaker 4: 33:25

What would you like to say about this week?

Speaker 1: 33:29

Don't work as much as I did.

Speaker 4: 33:30

Don't work that hard yeah, don't work overnight into the afternoon. He's like what time did you start work? I clocked in yesterday at 11.37 pm.

Speaker 2: 33:43

Nice. And then clock out until three, something I was going to say.

Speaker 1: 33:48

Two, and you're dragging him over here to do this bullshit.

Speaker 2: 33:51

Man. Come on, Dan, I know I have a key to his house so I could easily just go in and wake him up.

Speaker 1: 33:59

You said you were going to dump water on him, or something along those lines I did say that water. I absolutely said I think he would have probably done some damage to you if that were to happen he walked in my house, everybody dumped water on in his bed I told him, I wake him up that is a good reason to clock you a good one at two or three o'clock we had an audible discussion that I was going to wake him up and I said I'll make sure you're awake.

Speaker 2: 34:22

He said OK.

Speaker 4: 34:23

I don't know if that's what I responded with.

Speaker 2: 34:26

That's how I felt.

Speaker 1: 34:27

More of a we'll see and.

Speaker 2: 34:28

I said I will. Now it's my goal to get him to wake up, no matter what, so I always follow through with my promises.

Speaker 4: 34:38

Yeah, I pulled up to the house at three, 34. I said I just pulled up to the house and I almost fell asleep after putting my car in park.

Speaker 1: 34:45

It's like let me just close my eyes for a second here. Yeah, I literally did that.

Speaker 4: 34:50

I had my AC on, I just put it in park Cause like you don't want to get out of the car if it's not you know, and it's like you're like, you feel your eyes like waver and then you're somehow still in the lines and you're like, holy fuck, how long have I been driving like that?

Speaker 4: 35:06

and then you get to your thank god for muscle memory and then you get into your parking spot and it's like holy fuck, I don't remember getting off the highway yeah, I've had days where I spaced like coming down a road.

Speaker 2: 35:17

It was like 3 30 am after like a big long, you know four hour show or something. And you're driving home and all of a sudden you kind of wake up and you're looking at, you're driving, you're in motion and you wake back up.

Speaker 1: 35:29

That's scary stuff that's when you're like I gotta pull over right now.

Speaker 2: 35:32

This is a long time ago, but there's just some scary times it keep you up, yeah, yeah, it's your hands.

Speaker 4: 35:38

Keep you chomping on something yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:40

Definitely didn't have sunflower seeds. I do remember seeing like that's a wall turning left.

Speaker 1: 35:46

When I was a smoker, I would stay up by smoking cigarettes. That's not the safest thing, because you often just fall asleep with a lit cigarette in your hand, nice.

Speaker 2: 35:55

Now you're in an accident and you're on.