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Mid 2024 US Open Update: Re-Draw Special
Andy Roddick and Jon Wertheim sit down ahead of the 2024 US Open Quarter Finals and re-draw their brackets. They also go over the American Men making their mark on the tournament so far, Emma Navarro advancing over Coco Gauff, and the absence of Carlos Alcaraz and Novak Djokovic in the second week of the tournament.
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Hey everyone, welcome to another episode of Served, presented by Chase. I'm Andy, he's John Sikkimagu. Buckaroo. Mike Hayden is not here in New York with us. We are currently in the East Village. Props to Melrose Podcast for letting us take over their space for the night. Mike, you got sick. No fun yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what happens when you spend a weekend with family and kids.
Speaker 1:Ugh.
Speaker 2:One is bound to take you down.
Speaker 1:I feel like you're speaking phlegm, phlegm. It's like Kim Clayford You're phlegm. Not quite the same. Yeah, not the same thing, okay. So for those of you who have seen our draw shows, we do the dumb thing where we pick all of the matches and we're not just wrong once by saying Novak is going to win the tournament. We're wrong many, many, many, many times and we have fun with it. We know that we are ripe for Twitter to crush us, but not as bad I mean not as bad as Wimbledon. So what we're going to do is we're going to tell you what we got right, we're going to tell you what we got wrong and we're going to redraw here at a second. But first catch us up, jw. What's been going on at the US Open? What are the storylines that are creeping across your screen?
Speaker 3:Let's see Storylines. We had a lot of upsets and they made for some fun night sessions. We are by Labor Day, so we made the turn for Labor Day. We had no Coco. No defending champion.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Co, no Co, we had no, no, no. Novak no Djokovic, we had no. We can keep this theme going.
Speaker 2:No Ka.
Speaker 1:No, let's stop. We had no Carlos.
Speaker 3:Alcaraz and we had no Naomi Osaka. Those are four arguably the four biggest draws in the sport. Certainly among them they were fun. There were some real upsets. Fans love upsets. It opens up the draw like a chasm. The draw yawns open.
Speaker 3:So the good news is there's a lot of opportunity. The less good news is there will be some Tuesday, wednesday, thursday sessions where you know I don't want to see the ESPN ratings and you suspect there are a bunch of fans going out hoping to have gotten tickets to see Djokovic and they're going to get players of lesser repute. But no, I think honestly, this tournament is at a place now where it is almost outcome independent, and it's a great show and there's a lot to do and it's fun to go out there. It's a great show and there's a lot to do and it's fun to go out there. It's actually pretty good value when you amortize the hours spent. You're not going to have the stars this year. A lot of opportunity, though. There are so many players who you think must be saying to themselves if not now, when?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and a lot of Americans amongst them, which is exciting If you have to fill a narrative with Carlos, carlos uh, losing that was. That was the most shocking uh loss of the tournament, by the way. Um, I don't think anyone would have bet you a ham sandwich uh, with odds on on, I'm gonna try it, vanda zansculp, that's the guy who speaks flemish yeah, him and mike hayden, that did not age.
Speaker 3:Well, either, I mean our.
Speaker 1:That guy was barely winning games in his subsequent match yeah, and it was one of those ones where it felt so weird that the next one he played draper and it was like a no doubter I was choosing draper, uh, straight away. So that was strange. Um, you know, we've been talking the last couple weeks about the olympic hangover and I feel like that head was pounding, uh, during during the first week um, of this event. The people that kind of look fresher, the people that really grinded through Wimbledon into the Olympics Novak Carlos, at some point something's got to give. They've been playing intense, playoff-level tennis for four months straight and I know that's not like most people go to their job, they do their job, but something's got to give at some point.
Speaker 3:You want my counter to that Please? Bronze medal winner Iga Svantec, number one seed still in the draw. Silver medalist Donna Vekic played awfully well. Who did she lose to? She lost to so listen to this. Zhenxin Wen, listen to this. She wins a gold medal goes from Paris to Cincinnati, ohio. There is a ceremony where the Chinese athletes that did well in the Olympics are requested back in Beijing. So she flies from Cincinnati to Beijing. It's like an hour flight. It's like a little puddle jumper.
Speaker 1:She flies from.
Speaker 3:Cincinnati to China, in between Cincinnati and the US. How did you spend your time between Cincinnati and the US Open? Oh, I had a little photo shoot on a roof in Soho. No, no, no. She went back to China. I said it was CCP Airlines, comes back to New York and is still doing. Well, she's blowing up this theory that the Olympics have to happen. Well, no, bullshit.
Speaker 1:Because there's a difference between being on the upswing and being in the most exciting time of your entire life and being Novak 20 years down the road and having done this shit for two decades and it being laborious. Or you know, the the Chuckster has been going for three years straight, like he's been. He's been motoring for three years straight. So there is a difference between, like I remember, post us open through, like Saturday I hosted Saturday night live and then played a match a day and a half later. That's irresponsible, that is absolutely irresponsible. But at that moment I felt fine.
Speaker 1:It was the best time ever. So I do think there is a difference with buildup over time and what gets you going. Queen Wen's probably still pumped about it all. This is the moment she's still riding that wave.
Speaker 3:She's been great here too. But no, I think she throws a bit of a wrench into this thesis that the Olympics sapped everyone. But no, I think that's a fair point. You'll be happy to know, by the way, carlos Alcaraz, as busy as his schedule is, as low as his gas gauge is, he's coming to Charlotte in December. You can catch him.
Speaker 1:December 6th. I want to see it in person. It's pretty, it's crazy. I mean, listen, it's, there's too much tennis and also people will schedule cash grabs if they have the time. My argument would be listen, if you want to handle your offseason any way, you want to handle it, that should be your prerogative. The term shouldn't be dictated to you. Big fan of like free markets in general and decision-making and everything else, I feel like we just talk about late matches all the time. It's weird because I feel like we've become maybe a little bit more precious about the late finishes. It used to happen. I played a match that ended at 3 in the morning in Australia. X, Y and Z. What do you think? How big of an issue is this? Am I walking uphill both both ways? Or is this a real issue and is it counterproductive to the sport in tennis?
Speaker 3:uh, at large, it's a real issue, a I just think it makes tennis look goofy, like I'm serious like haha, we finished uh you know it. I think it has an impact of competition. It can't be fun to like restart your rhythms and get back to the hotel when the sun comes up.
Speaker 3:Here's my only thing. So jump in here. This is like a logic game you'd get like on a standardized test. The players don't want to start before 11 o'clock Understandable, right. You need to hydrate, you need to wake up, so you can't start before 11. You don't want to play. Men want to play best of five sets, so that's off the table. Television wants not just two matches per session, but they want the courtside interviews. They want the hallway that figures time in there. You can't have a night session of just one match, the way the French do. You can't, in New York especially, start any time before seven. You can't start a night session at 630. It's like something's got to give and what ends up happening. And I don't know. Can you move players to a different court when they've practiced on the center? I mean, it's one of these things where we all think it's ridiculous, we all think it's stupid, but I think coming up with solutions it's really tough.
Speaker 1:Well, okay, so the the 11 am thing we choose to start ash at 12.
Speaker 3:That's been an adjustment that ash doesn't start at 11 yeah, I start at 12, so there's an hour, there's an hour, there's an hour.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think you can start at 6.30, or at least advertise, because when you say 7, when you write down starting time of 7, interviews, warm-up, everything else you're 7.20, 7.25. So if you advertise 6.40 start, you're actually starting at about 7. So I actually think you can cheat an hour to 11. I think you can cheat. I personally think you can cheat forward a half hour, you know. So listen, there is an issue. We forget that there used to be three matches during the day starting at 11. So they got rid of one of the matches started an hour later. I don't know why, as tennis players, we can't start at 10.30.
Speaker 3:I get it Honestly, that would bought ourselves 90 minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then if you cheat a little bit forward, so everyone's coming up with these insane things, start Ash at the same time that you start every other court.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:You have a couple of matches to spare. Maybe the players you'd have to get them to agree to it, but I've got to think that the players would approve a flex match Maybe Ash, maybe another, I don't know agree to it. But I I gotta think that the players would approve a flex match like maybe ash, maybe another, I don't know. Like there there needs to be a solution, because there there's just this uproar every time, and now I feel like we used to finish it too and like, oh man, that that sucked for the players. Now it's like it sucks for us yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I, I get it, but people have to go home after the matches and the ball kids john, you don't have to explain to me what it's like to finish a night match late in New York City.
Speaker 3:Here's my question. It's 10 o'clock at night. You're the second match scheduled. They split sets. Would you rather move to an outer court where you get on pretty fast, but you haven't practiced there.
Speaker 1:You don't know the dimensions. You've proven your own point.
Speaker 3:No, but what would you? I mean, I wouldn't, because I so.
Speaker 1:I played 40 some odd night sessions in that stadium for basically, I went, played my first night match there in 01 and didn't leave the court until 2011. So, yes, or 2002. I had a couple out there. So one of the things as a top player, if you're playing someone early, 70, 80 in the world I want the nerve factory. I want the nerve factory that is Ash stadium. I've done it before. I could play on Ash or I could play on another court.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'm going to vomit because of the result, not because of people watching or what's going on in the stands. That has like zero bearing on it. So, yeah, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm, we're, we're, we're kind of uh, you know, just talking through ideas in real time. The simplest one start at 11. Simplest, like that's an hour, so we've gotten back an hour of sleep. But I do want to like people are like oh, you know, the players suck it up. You get to play tennis for a little bit. Listen, if you are back to your hotel by like 3, 3.30, your body's already out of its El Fucko as far as like sleep rhythm already, like you're already screwed. You're not going to sleep before 5. And just because you go to bed at 5 doesn't mean that you can sleep for 8 hours, like that doesn't happen. So you're getting like 4 hours. There's no recovery. The next day is like this stunted practice day. You lose half a day recovery, but it's the wrong half of the day recovery. You're losing three-quarters of a day recovery.
Speaker 1:This was. I get asked all the time what was the? What was US Open? Was your favorite tournament to play? I go no, it's like they're a bunch of my favorite memories. But in real time, when you're actually going through the motions of playing three night matches a week, it is stressful, like it is a problem with recovery. It is a problem like imagine trying to serve a match out in the fourth set, knowing that if you don't like, you could be another hour and a half, and it just resets all of that recovery. Those are all those things that you kind of have to factor. And try finding food on site at four in the morning, like there it's, it's a, it's a graveyard of commerce at 4 in the morning in a place that is like hyper-commerce every other part of the day. So listen, best suggestion 11. Simplest 10.30.
Speaker 3:We just bought ourselves 90 minutes and I can't wait for the Jackals.
Speaker 1:The first time there's a three-hour delay between day session and night session on Ash, because they started early and because the matches went fast for them to start saying, well, we have nothing to watch, we bought a day just to C'est la vie. I don't know what to tell you, but the easiest move is 11 am. What else we got, jw?
Speaker 3:What else we got? We got a lot of Americans. You know there's a bit of turmoil we've talked about several months ago with player development, development. But uh, you know, in the in so far as top level players are the ultimate output, so far as we, we should time stamp this too right, it's labor day yeah like uh you know we're too we're.
Speaker 1:We're monday night. You're going to be the the the hardcore followers are going to be listening to this tuesday morning, so we're somewhere in the east village, uh, at night. Iga's currently in the first set. Uh, we're keeping an eye on that on a different monitor and we're doing a show as late as we possibly could to redraw Exactly. So, as we speak, Tommy Paul.
Speaker 3:Taylor Fritz looks very good. Francis is still on the draw. Jess Pagula looks very good. Preview well done. You were a true believer and you know Coco was a bit of a disappointment. Evan Navarro was not a disappointment. It's been a very nice tournament for Americans and, as I say this ironically next to the trivia question answer, but kind of maybe feeling like this could be the year, you cease being the answer to a trivia question.
Speaker 1:I hope so. This trivia question. Could legally drink now, so we need to put an end to that, it can order a beer.
Speaker 3:so that's enough.
Speaker 1:Yeah, listen the first place.
Speaker 1:My mind goes, when Alcaraz and Novak lose on back-to-back nights is like okay, and they have to be feeling it too. I mean, francis loves this. He's a lot better on Arthur Astdm than he is on court three at a small event. He just is, he gets up for it. Um, you know he, he needs to. I actually think he needs to do the. You know, build the building blocks throughout the year on the court, so there's not a million eyeballs. But I also worry zero about him going out on that court and dealing with the expectations. He loves that moment, taylor fritz he's's been terrific.
Speaker 1:He requests Louis Armstrong At some point and I'm not telling Taylor Fritz anything he doesn't know at some point, if you want to win this tournament you've got to go into Ash. You've got to go play on Arthur Astridium and listen as we're talking through the draw. Like Tommy, Paul and Sinner, to play the winner of Medvedev feels like a crime based on how open the rest of the draw is now Like those are three very informed players.
Speaker 1:But like that center-center chicken dinner Medvedev quarter that we were all kind of looking at before the tournament started is still alive and well and the rest of the draw is just kind of all great players. There's no disrespect and everyone's bracket got absolutely annihilated, right is it?
Speaker 3:uh, I should have this in front of me. Who's got google? Is it new mexico or arkansas? What's the land of opportunity? I just keep saying this is gregor dimitrov ever gonna have a better chance? I mean this is just one of these draws where you've got to think as rational human beings. There are a lot of players thinking, boy, I'm not sure it's ever going to get better than this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and like the undersold story of the entire event is best player not to have won a major by far and there's not a close second is Zverev, so he's got to be going. Okay, you know, I might actually only have to beat one of these. You know human rubber bands, whether it's Sinner center, whether it's medvedev, um, you know to, to deliver that for the first time. Uh, coco, listen, it was I. I didn't choose her to go far um, just based on, on, uh, recent form. Um, I like what she acknowledged the serving problems. Yips, um, in her press conference said it's fun in practice. Get out there, it's. It's not. Um, I, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I I feel like this has been such a whirlwind for for her. Uh, there is no doubt that the second serve is in her head. No doubt if cory and coco were sitting here right now, they would probably tell you the same thing. I know Brad would tell me the same thing, not because he has, just because I'm sure he would. So it's a lot of expectation, a lot of spotlight, especially when you're trying to work through things. The spotlight doesn't really matter if you're feeling great, if you're confident. It just is this thing that you have to deal with. Now you go out there and the rumble and the mumbles when you hit 10 or 11 double faults in one set and a third set those become a lot louder when there's 25,000 people doing it and you kind of feel that weight a little bit more, I feel like. I just feel like Coco needed to get not out of this tournament, meaning like not play or not try. She always gives all of the mental effort and she's fighting you know some demons right now, but she needed to get past this tournament and the defense of it to really kind of reset and rebuild.
Speaker 1:Frankly, she has so many things that you can't take away. She's the most elite mover on tour Ball shape on the forehand. I'd like to see her just completely sell out and find more shape all the time, instead of thinking that she has to hit forehands as big as Sabalenka. I don't. That's not Listen. If she hits that looper, it drives traffic to her backhand. That's where. Listen. If she hits that looper, it drives traffic to her backhand. That's where she wants to be right. It's how to get those patterns that you want not hit the shots that you want.
Speaker 1:The second serve it just has to come further left and it's something that I've worked on with her. Listen, I did a couple sessions with her and I do think she is fully capable of being an elite server on I don't want to say that because that's that's the headline, but on she, she, she is a top three server. She just doesn't know it yet. Um, in the world, um no, she has 125 in her arm. Uh, there needs to be some balance between a 72 mile an hour second serve and 107 mile an hour second serve. I'm totally fine with 89 in the middle of the box when you're struggling, like there needs to be this default setting. That's kind of a catch-all.
Speaker 1:The book is pretty obvious. On going to the forehand, I just think having a little bit more shape and not feeling like that would be like me going out there and feeling like I had to hit rip backhand winners, like I wasn't made that way, I didn't have the technique to do that. She's way better on that side than I ever was on my back end. But her shot shape is her shot shape at this point and I feel like you need to basically feed that and use it to the best of your ability to get traffic to go a certain way. But take nothing away from Emma Navarro. She is, she has been building, building, building, building, building. She feels built. Now she feels I mean the way she handled that crowd in a weird situation because obviously everyone loves Coco she's building quite the fan base herself, and rightfully so.
Speaker 3:No, and I think that got lost in the story a little bit. Here's this player on the other side of the net. She hadn't won a match at the US Open before this year. I don't think she certainly hadn't won a match at Ash Middle weekend. Labor Day weekend, defending champion lost that second set and she just did what she had to do. It was very efficient tennis, I'm wondering. Let me ask you a few things. A have you ever not, obviously perhaps to that degree, but do you ever have the yips? Do you ever have a mental block like that?
Speaker 1:No, not like that. I mean my game was kind of like just yips all the time, but not. I mean my game was kind of like just yips all the time, but not to that level. You know, my base setting was if I wasn't feeling good then I just had to push and try to hold serve right. I just tried to make balls run, make it gross. I was very good at playing bad tennis.
Speaker 3:Well, so was she, honestly, I mean, she can just hit that point starter, second serve and great, she's still a 60-40 to win the point, yeah but my life was made easier because the easiest shot for me, and the one I knew backwards, was the table setter.
Speaker 1:It was the one that got me into the point or got me short balls, or I could hide a lot of things based on my ability to either play scoreboard, pressure tennis against lesser players not the guys that are like the demigods of our sport but 30-all, make a return, knock one down, hustle a little bit, get the ball up. They're just different ways. That's a lot harder to execute against me if I'm holding it 92% clip at 30-all than it is otherwise. But no, I don't know that I ever had. I wasn't very good a lot of the time, but that wasn't yips, that was just kind of like a base setting.
Speaker 3:You know who looms really large to me in this whole thing. We'll talk about her when we do our redraw, because we don't have to redraw her. But Sabalenka, I mean, I remember those Australian Open matches that were just excruciating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 3:I mean it was just If I'm BG, that's literally one of your biggest rivals.
Speaker 1:We have completely forgotten and obviously Sabalenka didn't have the hype machine of a Coco, but it was still a massive story inside of tennis. It wasn't on full display for mainstream New York to watch in a night session with expectation. There are some variables. Sabalenka had the yips in a terrible way.
Speaker 3:This isn't like memory hole from the 70s. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:This is literally like two years ago, coco was missing totally and she went and over like and we've talked about it on this podcast before like the mental and the book on her was like, oh, maybe she's not mentally tough. She kind of peaks and valleys. Not everyone has to act the same way. Not everyone has to act like Borg in order to be tough. That narrative has to go to sleep. Based on what you're alluding to, she had full blown serving yips. To where and if? Sabalenka, you don't listen to this, if you do turn off the next two minutes of this, this podcast, because you don't want to hear this again. But to the point where Coco was at least hitting it square, sabalenko was hitting it off the top of the frame, bouncing.
Speaker 3:Serving underhand.
Speaker 1:It was like she had given up on hope and then went back, came back the next offseason before she won her first Australian Open and it's like she did the work. She retooled, she made adjustments. I'm sure it wasn't easy. There's probably a lot of admissions on it's. It's really hard for an elite athlete to say I need to rebuild this, like I need to break it down and I need to rebuild it. Uh, so if I'm coco, I'm looking at sabalenka and going, yeah, I'm, I'm closer than a lot of people think on this. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:I mean, I would just say listen you. You have a colleague who is now contending for majors and 24 months ago she had what you had, only eight times worse.
Speaker 1:Probably top three serves in the world, rabakhin or her, maybe top two. Yeah, exactly Right right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean. Anyway, can I give you a before we get to our redraw?
Speaker 1:can I give you a 30-second?
Speaker 2:riff that just occurred. You know this is not something I wrote down or anything I don't know. Hold on, let me check with the producer. Do we have enough?
Speaker 3:time before time it out, before our next break. So, uh, we'll take a break after this. Okay, so the two remaining american women just by complete happenstance have wealthy fathers.
Speaker 3:Can we retire for once and for all this ridiculous lazy trope of for daughters of billionaires? They sure hustle, they sure grind. For daughters of billionaires A, I don't understand. You drink from the fountain of privilege, but dad's rich. I'm going to let the ball bounce twice. What does your father's wealth have to do with how you play tennis? Second of all, not every, but don't a lot of billionaires actually grind? Isn't that how they became billionaires? This whole idea of Emma Navarro and Jess Pagula it's amazing, because their dads are billionaires and yet they kind of hustle out there on the tennis court. I think it's so lame and lazy and nonsensical and circular. Can we just do away with that?
Speaker 1:It is a storyline. I mean when you're two of 2,600 of a certain type of human on Earth, it's going to be a storyline.
Speaker 3:But the correlation to the way you play tennis is what gets me Well here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Let's break this down. You can draw motivation. Whether it's hey, I'm going to break out of, my goal is to create a new lifestyle for generations in my family. That's a motivating factor. The motivating factor could be like hey, I want some elbow room of accomplishment inside of my own house. Exactly Like it. Just how do you get up? How can you motivate? How does you know six o'clock before you get the track at seven o'clock look like a good hour to get up, like whatever gets you out of bed, whatever makes you jump, whatever can make you consistent with preparation. Um, listen, I we as athletes, we kind of brainwash ourselves into finding different points of motivation. There's a certain sense of professionalism. I don't think Ben Navarro made it to where he did by not learning discipline, time management. There are a lot of things that benefit a tennis player that I'm sure Mr Pagula and Ben Navarro know about. Like to your point, it doesn't really happen by accident, you know, unless you get given $400 million in 1979. But I digress.
Speaker 3:Mike Hayden, that's just hypothetical, yeah hypothetical.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm friends with Emma Navarro's uncle, you know, and it and it comes back to the fact that I mean they were in sports their whole lives, you know. So I think sports are ingrained in the lexicon of their family and I think that's probably more it. They just happen to be billionaires and they probably learned a lot of that from sport. So, yeah, I think they're. They're impressive people and I think it's impressive what you know these women have been able to do, with or without billionaire, billionaire.
Speaker 1:so the the more, the more the more impressive thing, uh, at least from where I stand and this is maybe another lazy, lazy trope that I'm feeding into um is not the fact that we have these two, uh, outstanding women playing great tennis. It's not a single person in their locker rooms. Do you ever hear say something? They're entitled, they're inconsiderate, they're the opposite, ever opposite, ever so. That is where you hang your hat. If I'm their fathers, that is what I'm most proud of listen, whether they make the semis, the round of 16. It's an economy, it's, it's, it's amazing. But also to fight back the narrative of these spoiled, brat rich kids, that doesn't exist with these two at all. You would never know. You never hear a whisper or a hint of them being anything less than professional, kind, uh, and consider it uh, 24 7. I'm glad you mentioned that all right.
Speaker 3:Uh, just, people are taking the subway to the tennis for the record. Uh, all right, that's getting a lot of rugs she says I had.
Speaker 1:She actually opened it saying I haven't done this in in decade and everyone's like she doesn't every and everyone's like she doesn't every day. I'm like no, she doesn't. It was a great piece of PR. And also she hadn't done it Stop.
Speaker 3:Your point is well taken, though they do not, but my point is just on the tennis court. It's like I'm not going to get out of the corner no-transcript Headed to the US Open.
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Speaker 3:whatever, I'm not, don't I can't tell you what to do um, but let's start with uh.
Speaker 1:I had sinner and paul in the round of 16. Uh, as of right now, I think ega's up 3-1 in the second set uh of the match. We're here on a monday night, delayed, shooting this podcast as much as we possibly could for a tuesday morning. Uh, release. Uh. Techie sean is gonna have to fucking do something with this before tuesday morning because mike hayden is playing hooky uh back in charlotte. It's an excused absence, that's right. Techie sean gets the l fuck.
Speaker 1:Anyway so we both had center-center chicken dinner against Tommy Paul. That match hasn't been played yet. By the time you're listening to this, you will know that center won or Tommy Paul won. I still like center in the quarters where he will play Medvedev. Any adjustments on that, John Wertheim?
Speaker 3:I think, as strange as this is to say. I think we may both have gotten this quadrant pretty well right.
Speaker 1:So far, I will give credit where credit's due. You had Kokonakis beating Tsitsipas first round. It's like my one, win this whole time and that happened. I had FAA getting to round four. That did not happen. He lost first round, obviously. You know, my next pick was Nuno Borges to make round four. But you know, c'est la vie, you only get one shot, like Eminem, the great poet. Eminem once said and this is where shit gets sideways this is where things fall apart.
Speaker 1:Carlos Alcaraz's bracket. I don't you had him losing to boric van deezy, didn't you?
Speaker 3:yeah, I mean because, uh, he had such a good year coming in the uh dangerous dutchman he was 11 and 18 on the year. We want to hear a really funny story real quick. Yeah, when I was living in amsterdam, someone very nice, I don't know someone, I think listens to this podcast said you want to come down? You can at our club, I'd love to have you as my guest. It's where Bodek van de Zandtrol this was written, so I didn't have to pronounce it. It's pretty well done.
Speaker 3:It's where he plays and if you're lucky, you'll probably see him there, because he's not going to last on tour much longer.
Speaker 1:He's about to retire.
Speaker 3:You're probably not very long for this tour. So the guy who's like fellow members, like you know, driving the Audi at the Dutch Tennis Club or retiring you doesn't say great things about, and here he is beating Carlos Alcaraz in straight sets.
Speaker 1:It made no sense. It made no sense. Very strange result it made no sense. Very strange result it made no sense at all.
Speaker 3:My draw is just a battlefield of misses here, yeah exactly that's offensive to do.
Speaker 1:I had I mean I had draper losing to alcaraz, um, and then I had sebastian corda, uh, who got mahached, drilled by mahat. That that scoreline is stunning for me. For seb corda again, I think you touched on it in your mailbag like the eye test when he's playing, well, he can take the racket out of your hands. And then there's a. You know, I was on a flight and I look at this, I land, look at the scorelines like four, two and four, like that's.
Speaker 1:That, that's, that's significant, like that's a that's a especially coming in with with, uh, some momentum um winning dc and and making that. I think it was the semis in in canada um anyway. So, uh, we have uh draper uh through to the quarters.
Speaker 3:Good for him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and, by the way, I wanted to touch on him. I had him written down in the open. One of my favorite parts of this show is pointing out progress. Jack Draper is, and I critique only to build up in a second. His backhand was very average and that's coming from someone whose backhand was maybe less than average, so two things that have improved. He used to also make weird errors. He's looked rock solid so far. The serve is there. I walked past him in the locker room. He's a big dude, big boy.
Speaker 3:He is not. That was his brother, by the way.
Speaker 1:I don't know his brother, but I walk past him I'm like, oh, that's a, that's a mammal. Like that's a, that's a, that's a big mammal. Um, backhand is is is way better. Breaking serve at a clip that he hasn't seen before. A lot of progress in his game, regardless of how it goes from here. Um, demon is still on court. Can I get a score update with Thompson in real time? It looks like he is going to advance 4-4 in the fourth.
Speaker 1:So he's up two sets to one, 4-4 in the fourth. The matchup is a tough one for Jordan Thompson Just can't create enough speed off that forehand side. I'll say that and then I'll wake up in the morning and Jordan Thompson will have won. So who knows, do you like Draper or the Demon to get through to their first semi?
Speaker 3:I was worried about the Demon only because after that injury he suffered at Wimbledon. He hasn't played. He didn't play a singles match.
Speaker 1:Impressive.
Speaker 3:And then he comes here and he's winning on Labor Day weekend. That's a tough call. I don't know the head-to-head there. I'll say the Demon just makes them seem. I'm going to go Draper. I'll say the Demon just takes them soon.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go, draper, he's just going to serve. It takes a massive serve to kind of affect Demon in the right way. He doesn't miss a lot of returns, he's as fast. And the thing that I don't like when people are talking about Demon is he is very, very fast, but he can get forward. He likes coming in. He doesn't have that spin profile of someone who likes to play D. He is very fast but he's not. You know, he keeps the ball down a la Medvedev right. That little pokey backhand where it just doesn't get up begs you to attack him. But he likes coming forward. He is a complete player, a great volleyer. People don't talk about his all-court game enough because he's so fast. I like Draper, you like Demon. Who are you going to take up top, sinner and Medvedev? Oh?
Speaker 3:man. Do we like the Slim Reaper nickname, by the way, for Medvedev, I feel?
Speaker 1:like I don't know, slim Jim.
Speaker 3:I'm going to take kind of like Medvedev actually. I mean, he had no momentum coming into this event and he's looked terrific. I mean, he's barely dropping games and part of this is probably hard overhead. I just think he's a good tennis citizen in general, won this thing obviously three years ago. I'll go Medvedev, why not?
Speaker 1:I had Medvedev originally.
Speaker 3:I had him losing to Alcaraz.
Speaker 1:I'm going to stick with him, but has nothing to do with. So I'll tell you the way that this matchup went. I want to say it's 7-5 Medvedev overall. Um, but it was. I want to say it was 6-0 Medvedev. Then Sinner from the end of last year uh, through Wimbledon, where he lost, sinner lost to Medvedev. Sinner had won five in a row, so Medvedev put a halt to that. I thought it was pretty surprising at Wimbledon. Obviously, we didn't know kind of the mental turmoil that Sinner was dealing with, and you know he had his own kind of secrets that he was kind of going through. So who knows how that plays out. But yeah, I'm not mad at you, medvedev Draper. You're not going to take Demon over Medvedev, are you? So we both have Medvedev in the final.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:Wow, all right, which okay, so we have you picked. Now we're getting into a section where you're going to look real good.
Speaker 3:Layla Fernandez, are we there yet? Sure, we both got it. I don't even know who I had. You had.
Speaker 1:Fritz in the semis.
Speaker 3:Oh good and.
Speaker 1:I want to say there's no chance. You had Zverev losing before the quarters. So I think you have Zverev Fritz in the quarters and you're still going Fritz.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going Zverev. No, it's the same I had Rude over Fritz, which was just really dumb. But Fritz had lost two first rounds in a row coming off the Olympics. So that's it Looking back. That was pretty stupid. But Rude just hit the physical wall. He had a tough five-setter against Shang and then just went away at the end with Fritz. But credit to Fritz, he's been playing great. He will have to go into Arthur Ashe at some point.
Speaker 1:He's going to have to leave the friendly confines of Armstrong. There was a journalist online who was on Twitter and I kind of popped off a little bit. I won't name names, but he basically said oh, the hype machine, fritz gets put out on Armstrong all the time, while the others and shelton and tiafo- and coco.
Speaker 3:You know all get the hype and it's disrespectful. I'm like he fucking requests to be there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly he's literally getting his way right, right, like you're making him sound like a. He's like oh, I knew that, I'm like you knew that. That's a weird way to make your argument. Then, like, whatever, I have zverev in the semis In the bottom section, I had Rubles Rublev and I did not have Tiafoe, I had Novak Djokovic, so it is now Dimitrov and Francis.
Speaker 3:Can we agree on this If Francis has a chance at another semi and doesn't get by? Dimitrov, lovely guy, nice player to watch. I mean you can't ask for much more than that from Francis at the quarterfinal of a major.
Speaker 1:Um, a guy who's well, conversely, I would say the same about Dimitrov's going. You give Dimitrov if you tell him a month ago, you get Francis in the quarters. He's pumped like Francis was a ghost for most of the season. By the way, he's playing great now. I saw him before the tournament. We kind of of talked about it. He's like yeah, I was like everything looks like it, kind of like when you have it and you find it, finally everything, and I kind of motioned my hand like this and he goes slows down.
Speaker 1:I'm like it all slows down, the decisions become a little bit easier. You don't feel frantic, you don't feel rushed desperation. He kind of found that, uh, this summer and I fully credit skipping the olympics by the way getting matches in dc getting matches that was the right decision. Yeah, we like to criticize people. That was the absolute spot on nail on the head. Right decision for him dimitrov tiafo uh, I'm going.
Speaker 3:Francis, I think he'll play off the crowd. Dimitrov had a really nice win over rublev, but it went 3-38. Nice conditions here Big crowd, energy. I'm thinking we get an American-American semi. Do I even say that? I hope you're right.
Speaker 1:What do you got? I have Zverev. Oh, you have Zverev. I have Zverev Tiafoe, and I don't even know that, like Dimitri, was playing great, like I often I'm about to be a massive hypocrite Probably not the first time, but I often go after JW because he makes his picks with the story that he wants to write, like a week from now.
Speaker 3:He likes to work backwards on the story he wants to write. Working on a Demetrius story are you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he already has a mailbag. Oh, an American. He's had that mailbag written for 12 years, giving up the game here. I am American. In the final. Tiafoe in the final. Let's go, tiafoe in the final. And I don't even want to break it down, I just want it to be what it is. I want to be in the building. I want it all to end. I want it all to end. I want it to all end. I want it to go away. I want it to. That's very gracious of you.
Speaker 3:There are other athletes in your position who want to drink from that faucet. Oh God, the faucet. Listen, I've gotten more juice out of the squeeze than any human has ever gotten out of anything ever you and Fred Perry.
Speaker 1:Correct. So, I totally and I guess I have, but I can't take him. I don't think he's, I can't take him in a head-to-head matchup against Medvedev, just based on matchup. I'm putting Francis in the final but I can't pick against Medi.
Speaker 3:I think I have Medi winning All right, but I got just hypothetical land here.
Speaker 1:Obviously, francis doesn't beat Fritz, does he? That's up to you. I didn't have him, I had Zverev. No, I have Fritz beating Francis. You have Fritz in the final against Medi. Yep, okay, are you going to do it? Are you going to do it? Oh man, is Fritz going to do it?
Speaker 3:Put me on the ah fuck, why not All right?
Speaker 1:You have Taylor Fritz winning the US Open.
Speaker 3:Sure, why not? I mean, all jokes aside and all like he's been terrific so far. Yeah, I mean his serving has been great, no drama. I mean he's really looked like someone capable of winning majors.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why not Taylor?
Speaker 3:Fritz, your 2024 US Open champion.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, You're saying that on Labor Day we both have a final. We are willing this to happen, by the way, I just want Fritz to get on one. I would love Fritz Tiafoe semi. I would love to guarantee a US finalist for the first time in a long time. I would love nothing more than for an American to win on Sunday. That would just light, that would fill my cup up. I hope it's one of those two. And we don't know if Tommy Paul's left is still in the tournament by the time you're listening to this. We both chose center, so we're acting off of that assumption, but Tommy Paul could very much be in this conversation as well. I hope he is, we will see. But you have the old T Fritz walking into Ash, having not played there, and then just rewriting history.
Speaker 3:I love the dynamic here. Usually it's monkey off the back. Usually the burden is on like the Chicago Cubs, that they haven't won. You're feeling unburdened by getting this. You won this thing. You're good. You're feeling like you need to unburden yourself. No, it's not unburdening me.
Speaker 1:I hate it. I get this anxious feeling every time they have to answer for it. I fucking hate it for them. I absolutely hate it for them. I absolutely hate it for them. No, I just want them to have it. I want them to be clear and, frankly speaking, if one of them breaks this thing, they could start contending regularly. The dam breaks and then it goes. They don't have to play against ghosts. They don't have to play against ghosts. So I hope it happens, we'll see. Like they don't have to play against ghosts, so I hope it happens, we'll see. I think I had going through just because, uh, I had him beating center and I'm my ego won't let me go back on that so not my ego my ego speaking.
Speaker 1:Of which speaking?
Speaker 3:of which thank you thank you, I'm.
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Speaker 1:All right, so I'm gonna operate under the assumption that into the simsonova doesn't doesn't uh come back from a set in five, one down against the number one play in the world. Uh, ego in the quarters, jess pagula in the quarters. Uh, I took pagula to the final. So I'm not gonna fade anyone that I chose at the beginning of the tournament, unless there's something massive Hard to pick against Iga when she gets going. But I'm sticking with Jess.
Speaker 3:I can't even remember what I had 6-3 head-to-head.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know what you had. What did I have?
Speaker 3:I know what you had.
Speaker 1:You had Mira and Drava in the final.
Speaker 3:We love her. You had Mira.
Speaker 1:Andrava and, by the way, I'll tell you you were on air. I was watching one morning. Obviously I had nothing going on, You're the one. I was watching one morning when you were making your picks and Prakash chose Osaka in an upset over Muko. I'm like get out of here.
Speaker 3:But Chanda Rubin, upset of the day, day, chose ashlyn kruger over andreva. That's a pick. And what happened?
Speaker 1:that's a pick. Huh ashlyn kruger over andreva. Your, your entire bracket is just yeah, smithereens smithereens iga pagula start, or confetti redo it. We have the mics, they can't stop us six, six, six, three, six three iga uh, six, three iga, ega. All of Jess's three wins have been on a hard court. Ega won, let's see. Ega won two years ago in the quarters three and six, or four and six, something like that.
Speaker 3:I was there in New York in the quarters two years ago if it hadn't been for Cotton Eye Joe, she might have beaten her in Canada do you remember that?
Speaker 1:I do that was just google it. Anytime I see EGA Pagool, I just think of Do you remember? That I do, just Google it.
Speaker 3:Anytime I see Iga Pagula, I just think of the random Cotton Eye Joe speaker malfunction. It was literally a speaker malfunction in.
Speaker 1:Canada, where it just uncontrollably was going.
Speaker 2:That's North Carolina, in the middle of the match. It was just in the middle of the match. In the middle of the match. Yeah, Like literally mid-rally.
Speaker 1:And then if I remember it correctly, like the tide turned post-Joe.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know. So anyways, but like that's got to be a top five worst song of all time, by the way.
Speaker 1:Thank you for listening to Served presented by Chase. Give us another chance.
Speaker 3:We're better than this, let's go yeah. And now we get that Earworm Cotton Eye Joe I I think he married a long time ago.
Speaker 1:I gotta say, gosh, I don't know I mean he got married a long time ago. It's a lyric right.
Speaker 2:Yes, alright.
Speaker 3:Iga Pagula, go, jess Pagula. Why not Playing well on these courts? I still think Iga Pagula, go, jess Pagula. Why not Playing well on these courts? I still think Iga I mean, she's winning. She seems much more comfortable with these fast courts. But I don't know, I don't think she's. I think she's one of these players who doesn't necessarily love this tournament, doesn't love New York, and she's got sort of everything, sort of collides in that semifinal match.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you something that I think is going to happen and I think is not going to be granted. I would bet I would almost bet a kidney that pagula will request day ball flies through the court a little bit faster, and that that's not possible with iga and jess pagula I think they have to play at night on ash but I guarantee you that team pagula will be requesting, uh, that match during the day.
Speaker 3:We will see I'm trying to do in my head what it would contend she might have a shot at a uh um I don't know I I think can can just make her uncomfortable. Can ega have an off serve? I? I kind of like the way jess is playing. I like I think the surface really favors her.
Speaker 1:Jess is digging out of the corners. She normally is a great ball striker. From the middle of the court she is hitting on the run when she gets a little bit extended, as well as I've ever seen her do before. For me, this matchup Iga-Jess is who's going to get to munch on second serves? If someone serves 60%, they're going to win this match. Put that out there right now. If someone serves 60%, I think they win the match. Both of them love to attack second serves. Neither one of them has a good second serve Right Based on the shadow of everything else in their games. Right Probably above you know two average for IGA. But but compared to the rest of it, you're not scared of their second serves.
Speaker 3:And sometimes we say, well, iga's going to turn this into a track meet Great. That doesn't faze Jess Pagula at all, but Iga isn't like a sprinter Her athleticism.
Speaker 1:By the way, if you can ever ISO watch, so only watch one half of the court. If you have a junior tennis player in your house, make them iso watch. Iga sviantex footwork all the time she has this side of of steffi I was gonna say we're going back to steffi, stef, steffi.
Speaker 1:I mean her footwork and not extended, Extended. She's great. There's a lot of people who on the run are very good. Her circle C movement, getting the forehand, the quick movements off the mark something she works on all the time. It's as good as I've seen Like that. Is it elite, elite, elite, watch Iga. I like Jess Pagula in this match. Hajaj, not good at this.
Speaker 3:Maya Brazilian Lefty and.
Speaker 1:Mujaba.
Speaker 3:I can't believe I'm saying this. This is a really nice story. Mujaba's semifinalist last year, so you say, okay, she'll be back in the semis. Her journey from last year to this year she didn't play for nine months. I mean, she didn't play for nine months. Haddad Maya, also nice player, big hitter lefty. She lost in the final of Cleveland, like nine days ago, to McCartney Kessler. I mean, talk about your fortunes changing in nine days. Now you're suddenly in a major quarter. I think Muhova, who is such a good athlete, she could win this tournament. I'm just telling you, she could win this tournament.
Speaker 1:And also coming back after not having played and playing Grand Slam-level tennis and also arguably the toughest draw so far, like had to go through Osaka, had to go through Paolini.
Speaker 3:Paolini, yeah.
Speaker 1:She is, and rolling Like she rolled Paolini.
Speaker 3:She rolled Osaka.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Mukhova looks amazing. I can't, I'm going to. We'll just get this one while we're here. I'm going to pick Pagula, just because I did, but Mukhova could win this tournament. I'm just telling you she is playing elite tennis. I had Emma Navarro and Paula Bedosa. I had Bedosa in the semis. Ooh, that's a wait, wait, wait, take take a minute there. That's a good call. Yeah, I had. Uh, I think you had krasik krasikova, I think, um, I had bedosa in the semis, um, if I remember correctly, over azarenka in round four.
Speaker 3:Um and I had coco coming out.
Speaker 1:I had coco losing to. I had navarro. I had bedosa navarro in the quarters and I'm gonna stick with it, even though I want Navarro. I had Badosa Navarro in the quarters and I'm going to stick with it, even though I want Navarro.
Speaker 3:But you had whoa, you had Badosa Navarro.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have Badosa, that's a good call, thank you.
Speaker 3:For a wide open draw. Thank you Wait, that's a shooter. Two, two New York city natives. Yeah Two, yeah Two New York City native-born players. That's a good one.
Speaker 2:Can I tell you? I just learned that yesterday that Podosa was born in New York. I had no idea.
Speaker 1:I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 3:I don't think I knew that. I think her parents were a model or something. I think her mom was a model when she happened to be in New York. Whose parents?
Speaker 1:weren't models? Yeah, exactly. What about you? Techucky Sean? I was going to say Mike, Not so much.
Speaker 2:Phlembot. Yeah, all five too, yeah right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why don't you just? Can you just cough on us real quick. It's just oh.
Speaker 3:God, that's a good like. I say, that's a good effort.
Speaker 1:Are we going to be able to see producer Mike on the show? He looks disgusting right now.
Speaker 3:We're like knuckleheads talking about tennis and Cotton Eye. Joe, we've got a poor guy with COVID. Let's wrap this up. He looks like he has it right now. Emma Navarro beats Paul Bedosa. I think I'm all in on Emma Navarro.
Speaker 1:I wish I had Bedosa in the semis. I'm not going to reverse that call Now I have Sabalenka. I have Sabalenka over Bedosa. Do you have Sabalenka over Navarro? How all-in on Navarro are you?
Speaker 3:Because you just said you're all no, no, I picked Sabalenka to start. Okay, I mean all-in as in. I'm a All right, I have Sabalenka.
Speaker 1:I started Sabalenka over Pagula and I'm still Sabalenka over Pagula.
Speaker 3:Wait, I got to say, for all the self-effacing draws, or dumpster fires, especially, especially given how wide open the women's draw is, the fact that A both your finalists remain and you had a Bedosa-Navarro quarter.
Speaker 1:I had a Bedosa-Navarro quarter, yeah.
Speaker 3:That's strong. I picked Sabalenka to start and I will stick with her.
Speaker 1:Yep, all right. So we have oh, you have Taylor Fritz winning the men. I have Medvedev winning the men. Listen, I just want American men, especially because obviously it's been a minute. I want that place ripping. I want it ripping. Taylor Francis, great Ripper Magoo, that's what we're going for. That's what we're going for. Any last thoughts I just want to again. Mukova is like one of my favorite players to watch, one of the most versatile. I don't know how she hasn't been great for like 10 years. Every time I watch her I'm like she's legit good, like really, really good, I remember she beat Ash Barty in Australia.
Speaker 3:I hope I was right. She beat Ash Barty and Ash Barty referred to as a jockey jock.
Speaker 1:Jock, yeah, yeah, which might be like an Aussie term, but she might be one of the top five most athletic players yeah, barty wasn't a sloucher, ash Barty calling someone jockey, jock, jock is like David Robinson calling Shaq tall.
Speaker 3:Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:That's kind of where we're at, but anyways, that's what we got. Hopefully your draws were good. Hopefully your redraws were good. I feel like the redraws were extremely necessary with the departures. Oh, I need one more thing. If I choose on the women's side someone to go to the semis, there's a 50-50 shot. They pull out of the tournament Because I chose Rabakina to go to the semis and nope. I chose Rabakina to go to the semis and nope. I chose Sabalangueta to win Wimbledon nope.
Speaker 3:So let's be clear we're talking. These aren't outright defeats. These are like DNPs. No, these are like not post, did not play, nope yeah.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, like for the safety of all the women players in the draws, maybe we just skip the next draw show. Luckily it's not for months and months. Anything else, jw, or is that? Maybe we just skip the next draw show? Luckily it's not for months and months. Anything else, jw? Or is that a wrap? We're going to go figure out a place to get a slice in New York.
Speaker 3:Yeah, get some pizza.
Speaker 1:Perfect. That's it for Served presented by Chase. Thank you for watching. I'm sure we'll be back with you, either on a quick serve or something else this week. Just stay tuned. As always, we appreciate you watching, we appreciate you caring, and thank you to all of you that have been coming to the live shows. Those are a blast. We had a great one with Seal last week. If you haven't checked that one out, you have to.
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