239- Eli Farhood's Experience and the Evolution of Identity Protection

Unlock the keys to safeguarding your digital identity as Elias hosts an eye-opening conversation with Eli Farhood, a survivor of identity theft. Eli recounts his alarming experience with compromised personal data, shedding light on how breaches can lead to unauthorized transactions and tarnished reputations. His story is a stark reminder of the importance of protecting our personal information in an increasingly digital world.

Discover the future of biometric security with Catch ID, an innovative solution that places the power of data protection directly in your hands—literally. With features like a panic gesture to alert authorities in dangerous situations, Catch ID addresses the flaws in current biometric systems that tie identity to devices instead of people. This episode breaks down the importance of device-agnostic solutions to ensure your security remains intact even if your device is compromised.

Finally, explore the emerging threats posed by AI, from automated phishing to identity fraud, and learn about our groundbreaking technology designed to counter these sophisticated scams. Embrace the journey of leaving a stable job to build a business focused on solving identity challenges, and understand the emotional and financial toll these threats can take. Join us in our mission to create a secure digital future, and find out how you can be part of this transformative movement.

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https://katshid.com/

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Chapters

• 0:14 Cybersecurity Threats and Solutions
• 10:04 Empowering Users With Biometric Security
• 25:05 Investment Opportunities in Emerging AI Threats
• 34:34 Identity, Challenge, Technology

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:14

Welcome everyone to Politically High Tech with your host, elias. This is going to be a very tech, cyber security oriented type of episode. I've touched this a couple of times with different guests, but I am confident after looking through my archives real quickly. Even through my past episodes I never dived in too deeply. I only talked about like the consumer ABC level.

Speaker 1: 0:43

Don't create obvious passwords like welcome one, two, three. Can you get a piece of safe, like something as basic as that? What I talk about here is something much more advanced. It's definitely something better than just a lazy welcome one, two, three password that all the hackers will love because they want to get into your stuff, take your data, get money or humiliate you Whatever. You don't want them. You don't want them in your personal space, okay. But he's going to talk about something much more revolutionary than that. I don't got much of a monologue. All right, let's introduce two of the guests of this episode. Evolutionary than that. I don't got much of a monologue. Alright, let's introduce two of the guests of this episode. He goes by many variants of this name, but for simplicity's sake we're just going to call him Eli Farhood. Feel free to correct me if I got that wrong.

Speaker 2: 1:42

No, that's perfectly good.

Speaker 1: 1:46

So what do you want the audience to know about you? Introduce yourself to my listeners and viewers.

Speaker 2: 1:52

Yeah, first, thank you for having me, elias. I mean, it's a pleasure to be here. Yeah, I come from the. My background is finance. I was in financial services. I ended my career in finance, I was a portfolio manager and I pivoted to technology because I became an identity theft victim once. At first, I was in 2014, 2015,. And the second time was just last year, in 23, where I had thousands of dollars on my cards in front, and you know, when I fell victim, I thought, you know, I was just a lone person who had been victimized or just taken advantage of, and I realized after looking and researching that actually hundreds of millions of people globally fall in front. Actually hundreds of millions of people globally follow the product, and it's really not like they're not guilty for falling victim. At the end of the day, there are data breaches that are happening more than often right now, and these data breaches are providing our personal information, our sensitive data, social security numbers, to pretty much everyone, you know, and hackers are using those data breaches as a great vehicle to hack our accounts and our devices. So they're taking advantage, you know, and abusing that data very, very well.

Speaker 2: 3:18

And so what's the outcome? The outcome is that you can get identity fraud. You can get unauthorized transactions on your credit card. You can get what they call a takeover of your checking account. You can get as miserable as going to court and prove your innocence. That's how bad it can get, and when it gets to that moment, the problem lies here is that you become a blacklisted person. You become someone who no one wants to engage with business-wise. Someone wants to do business with you because you know you had identity theft and you're a customer. So try to borrow money or get a loan to buy a car or even rent a house. That can become a real struggle and so, based on all these things that I just mentioned and I was really, you know identity became very personal to me. I was like, okay, this is too much. It's just crazy what's going on. We make it very easy to do business in this country, but at the end of the day, there's a trade-off, and the trade-off is that anyone who has your information or if they don't have all the information, they can really go to the software and collect the puzzle.

Speaker 2: 4:41

What's needed. Let's say, I have your first name, last name, I have your address, but I don't have your social security number. That's not very hard. I can just jump into the website, the website on the doc web, buy some data or look it up right, and I can collect that puzzle again, have full identity information and it just takes a phone call to your bank. If I know you back with Chase, for example I just call that bank and provide that information and maybe they'll believe me and I can claim your identity and provide access to your checking account. That's one way to do it.

Speaker 2: 5:15

The other way is that they don't really sometimes want to steal money from your account. Sometimes they just want to use your name for illicit activities. We call that in cybersecurity money and not just money. There are many, many ways to do illicit activities. The biggest part of it is money and the problem lies there is that if you fall I mean if they fall while conducting that illicit activity they are not caught.

Speaker 2: 5:44

Your name is caught and this is howicit activity. They are not caught, your name is and this is how really it becomes very interesting. That's why I always like hear people saying I'm not a trillionaire who cares about my information, like I don't have anything in my bank account, I'm broke. But it's really not about that it's not about how much money you have. Sometimes they don't want to take money through it. Sometimes you just want to use your name as a label. You can do whatever you want to do, and that is the problem that we're faced with. That's the problem I was faced with. I'm someone who got my information and used it, used it and pulled my back and played my identity. That was just a wake-up.

Speaker 1: 6:25

You said a lot of basic points. Also a lot of profound points. It doesn't matter if you got $1 or a billion dollars in your bank account. Hackers can find a way to get that information and conduct business or do whatever they want with your face your information, not theirs. So, like you said, your reputation is going to be destroyed, not theirs. So they're using your information as a shield not to be held account by the law or anything like that. You're going to be held account.

Speaker 1: 7:00

I know that sounds weird. You know you didn't do it. Sadly, that's not good enough. You have to debunk that and that's not easy because, just like you've been a victim twice, I've been a victim twice. One was last month when someone tried to steal $3,000 out of my account just to buy cryptocurrency, and if I didn't prevent that in time, if I didn't have that quick thinking, this guy would have gone away with $3,000. There was nothing the banks could have done about it if I didn't take quick action. Once you put it in there, such as cryptocurrency, that's it. There's nothing the banks could do. There's nothing I could do, and you know it was like a two-hour battle, but I'm not going to make this about me too much time. Even if you change passwords and all that, that's not even enough. And to your point, massive data breaches are happening a lot more often. Almost every single I think every single Social Security has been exposed.

Speaker 2: 8:05

You're a.

Speaker 1: 8:05

UN citizen. You're exposed, I'm exposed, everyone. All right, so you know everything you're saying is true and valid. And if people want to disagree and argue, expose your stupidity in the comment section. You might be destroyed. I don't know. Test your luck. All I know is I'm going to document it and just see how foolish you are. And if you want to come in here and troll, it's getting much worse. And, by the way, your bio. It doesn't matter how cautious you are, you will get caught.

Speaker 2: 8:39

Absolutely, and I'm a cautious person too. The problem is that it's really there's not much you can do and even if you put a strong password, even if you use multi-factor authentication, there's this issue like, once your device is centralized, like the person who put the door to this device, they really can't bypass any security software, from Face ID to two-factor authentication, to Google authentication, to whatever authentication you're using, they can access your private key, if you have them on your device. They can access your password, they can access your business data on the device. That is the real problem. When we started thinking of a solution, we were faced with two realities. First reality is that no one has been able to this state for 100 years to today, since the digital revolution, no one has been able to protect information. When you hear about Microsoft, which is a trillion dollar company, being compromised, their customers being compromised, their customers being compromised, their data being stolen, if Microsoft can't protect itself and others you know I'm not just pointing to Microsoft, at&t just recently as well so if those multinational companies can't protect themselves, then who can protect me? Right, and this is where the problem really lies.

Speaker 2: 10:04

We were faced with that reality that you can't protect information and the only solution we thought of is to authorize who can use your information. We're kind of like giving you back control over your data. You decide who can use it, you decide when they can use it, why they're using it and from where they're using it. It's as simple as that. That was our basic solution before even developing any technology, any product. That was the strategic choice we've taken. Okay, there's a lot of data breaches, a lot of abundance of information. The only way that could work, in our view, if you're still using that system that we currently have, is to authorize who can use that information every time you need it. And that's why that was like the genesis, if you want, of the Catch ID product that we created, where you just use your hand to authorize who can use your information on any smart device, not just your device, and that's really cool because you know you have access to accounts anywhere yeah, I mean me, I do have a.

Speaker 1: 11:18

I want to play the somewhat cynical devil's advocate just for a second and I'm trying to be creative here and that's why I'm happier in the show instead of just talking bad about the product that have you in the show. To me, that's outwardly what if? And this is just a big one, right, because it's by the hand what if a crazy family member I'm just going to use a brother? Knock the brother out, use that brother, the one that has access to all the information. Will that work? Will it detect that that person's unconscious and it will deny access? Or will it go through?

Speaker 2: 11:54

You mean your brother was able to access your device?

Speaker 1: 11:57

Yeah, because he and then the other brother wanted. Okay, I'm just going to put more specifics. Let's just pretend it was me that had to use the computer. I'm the one that got access to the account. I'm the primary user. My other brother wants to access my account but I refuse, so he knocks me down. I'm knocked unconscious. He lifts my hand up and will he be able to breach? That's much rarer because people are more digital these days. Will he be able to breach Just because he physically knocked me down?

Speaker 2: 12:31

Christian. We did actually have a conversation on that. I was having this conversation just lately. So what if someone has a gun in your hand Maybe not your brother, right and he asks you to wire $5,000 and he's forcing you to scan your hand to send that money? So yeah, we created a solution for that where you can set up a secret gesture that no one knows of, just yourself, and when you do that gesture, we actually can send all your information to the 911, your location, your information if you need help, and you know they will come to help you as soon as they can. This is one way we can do it to eliminate at least the incentive for that person to do bad things.

Speaker 1: 13:21

Wow, you already thought of that. It's good to talk to experts. Ask the crazy questions. You're going to get answers people. Yeah, If you haven't thought of it or you're too afraid to ask, this is it. This is for your benefit. I just used a milder example. You used a more extreme example. That secret just is going to work. So, yeah, that's a pretty good ultimate.

Speaker 2: 13:50

The thing is that when you ask people to stop using passwords, they find the best way of replacing passwords with your biometrics. You want to make sure that you're providing them top-notch security. The beauty about passwords is that they work on any device, not just your IP, and that's how we wanted biometrics to work out. Looking around, if you check all the biometric systems that are really robots in our view they all depend on a specialized device to operate. You know, like here at the airport or Face ID, all you see is that hardware on your iPhone would work right. Amazon at the Whole Foods same thing.

Speaker 2: 14:35

Hardware is that convenience disappears, and so we wanted to create a product where you are accessing your accounts from any device. It can be your friend's device, and that's your point. It's not device dependent. It's really agnostic to any device, and so you can use your brother's phone if you want to log into email. Sure, that's because you're using your hand, not your brother's hand, and so we're looking here. There's a link between your identity and versus today, they're pretty much linking your identity to the device, and that's also part of the core problem. Part of the core problem is that when the device is compromised, you're kind of doomed.

Speaker 1: 15:21

Now, yeah, that is so true. Listen here, you tech kids and tech grown-ups. It's true. Once it gets to your device, if you're oh, I'm a religious person, I'm going to say it If you're blessed, or for the more secular people, lucky, they didn't get that far on your device, yeah, you recover. But once they got all your device information, you think you need to get a new phone. I'm not even sure that's even going to be enough, because a lot of that same information is going to come with you, right, just except for that device manufacturing number or serial number, wherever the heck it is. I don't want to sound too technical because I don't want to drive away the non-tech nerd audience.

Speaker 2: 16:14

Actually, a lot of people don't know that their device would be compromised problem A lot of people, elias don't know that their device will be compromised and actually a lot of us have their device compromised.

Speaker 2: 16:26

We just don't know until those bad actors find that window where they can take advantage and compromise. So compromised devices are very common, actually More than people think, and they think like as long as my phone is working, then while it's working, it's all good. Actually, no, it could be compromised and those hackers can be, you know, scanning for that data every day you use your phone. They could be downloading that information that you're doing on your phone every day as well and one day, you know, once they can catch something on you, they could start to intimidate you and perhaps extort you. Like ask you hey, you know, and they will send you a file. Hey, well, actually you know we have a file about you that you're going to do this business. We can actually send this to your competitor. I actually had a story about this happening last year where one business guy was compromised without knowing when they were able to collect all the information they needed, they started threatening them. Unless he sends them money, they will share that information. That's just an idea of how it can happen.

Speaker 1: 17:50

The reputational damage is going to be massive, especially if, sadly, the victim does not comply with their reputational damage is going to be massive, especially if they, you know, especially if, sadly, the victim does not comply with their ransom demands. Yeah, it's, yeah it's. This is a tough subject, but it needs, we need to hear it. We're grown-ups. We can't be living in fantastical Disneyland. We need to wake up, sell a coffee, deal with reality.

Speaker 1: 18:24

I know it's not easy, but I prefer the harsh truth than the beautiful falsehood, because at least there's a painful yes, but it's needed. You know, if I wanted to live, if I want to be in La La Land, you know I would never talk to Eli. I don't know, he's too negative, he's too paranoid. Who cares? But no, no, no, this is for adults only, and hope you're adult-minded too. There's so many adults out there that act like children. Wake up, wake up, wake up. This is not to scare you, this is to empower you or even offer a product that can solve it. You know, I'm open to new ideas, because the security is too device-centered, right, and that's the big problem, and I'm not going to argue with that, because back in the slightly older days it was more computer centered. Ever since these smartphones, the main emphasis has been shifted over there. Okay, so that's all I'm going to say about that and anything else you want to add, before I start panicking them even more with AI threats.

Speaker 2: 19:44

Yeah, this is the emerging threat, but I really invite anyone who's watching this podcast to check our website catchidcom A-A-T-S-H-I-Dcom. We're offering this product right now to everyone. We want to democratize access and provide you access to any device, not just your iPhone, not just a special device. And we're only able to do that by replacing your credentials with your hands. So, basically, your phone or your hand becomes your password. That's our concept. Why we're doing that is because no one can see your credentials with your hands. So, basically, your phone or your hand becomes your password. That's our concept. Why we're doing that is because no one can see your hand, but someone can see your password. So let's just eliminate credentials for our lives.

Speaker 2: 20:28

Eliminate pain of stupefaction, authentication which obviously doesn't work. Here's a very quick example on how it made my nights miserable. Yesterday I tried to sign in to TikTok and they gave me literally a 30-second window to provide the code so that I can sign in on another device Actually, my other device, not another device and you know they're sending the code by email. Sometimes emails take longer than 30 seconds to reach out and I couldn't get that code. I was literally locked out of my guns for trying more than five times to send it. It's just insane. Like an authentic authentication is. It's just should be something of that. It's so so much hassle, um, and I think this is part of the reason why security doesn't work, because we're asking everyone to use very complicated tools to secure their identity, and that's the problem. You know, people want something easy and they don't want to deal with complicated codes here and codes there and passwords and strong passwords and use a capital letter, use a dollar sign oh my God, this is just becoming crazy. And password managers like I heard about. Okay, password managers are a world at pain, but password managers sometimes can be dysfunctional and they can be compromised, so hackers have access to all your passwords. I mean, just think about that.

Speaker 2: 22:04

Our approach is that easy. Security is the only security that works. People are not willing in their day and age to deal with complicated security and that's why we're still using passwords. That's why Face ID, for example, doesn't replace passwords, right, because I get this question a lot why Face ID doesn't do what you do? Well, because Face ID is only available on a device that has the password for Face ID and they cannot eliminate credentials, otherwise you can only log in from that device. So good luck for you. That's why they have to be enabling those credentials to work elsewhere, on any other device.

Speaker 2: 22:44

And so this is where the problem lies Unless you eliminate those credentials, unless you eliminate what hackers are trying to steal, you haven't really done much, and that's why we decided to eliminate credentials and replace them with just your hand, your palm, and use that as a password. No one can see it and no one can take it away from you, and you will never forget. You know People struggle with resetting passwords. Sometimes it's just. It's just killing me right and managing that. If you work at an enterprise, you have to change your password every three months. Think about that and manage your password. It's just too much.

Speaker 1: 23:22

I absolutely agree. I'm just going to chime in real quick because you said so much engaging points that everybody could relate to one way or another. I mean, I'm just going to go back to yeah, let's go back to two decades ago. We didn't have that much accounts or emails, so the fact that we got to memorize all these passwords is extremely demanding. Even some of the sharp minds that's great with memory and typing passwords will have a hard time.

Speaker 1: 23:50

And once you're locked out, oh yeah, those codes, those digit codes or whatever they do with this. Sometimes it's a combination of letter or numbers, it's a photo, whatever, yeah, but the fact that TikTok is 30 seconds and sometimes a slow email could take five, you're already locked out. A lot of them are more like one, some was like 30 seconds, a few was like a minute, but once the email comes in, like five minutes later, you're already locked out. I mean, for me, getting to the Facebook facebook, it was actually the hardest thing, but I managed to crack that one. Oh, my goodness, spending two hours trying to figure that out very, very, very frustrating, very, very annoying. And I would consider myself to be somewhat tech I'm savvy person what the heck? Yeah, you're blocking out the bad people.

Speaker 2: 24:46

You're also blocking me out as well, so yeah, and I'm really thankful for having me Elias and I really want to say that there's an opportunity now for everyone to also invest in our business and be part of it, be part of that movement.

Speaker 2: 25:05

So they can check our website. There's an invest button there. If they click on it, it takes us to our crowdfunding page. So we're very excited about this moment where we share our profits and share our growth with everyone else so that they can get a cash ID for free, just by investing with us as little as 100, not because it's a large amount, but it's because they voted yes, I want to use cash. Yes, I want to get rid of passwords. Yes, I don't want to use two-factor authentication, which is very fast. I want freedom and access on any device and I want security at work, and so we really are inviting people to check our website, check our funding page and, if they really know the product, please back us. We're very happy to have you on board as an investor and growing with us as well, because the future is very bright.

Speaker 1: 26:01

Yep, and I will share that link in the description as well. It'll be right there, especially on the Eli for Hoot section. I always have a section for the guests in there. I make sure it's separated so it looks nice and neat. I don't have to go through all the letters because I know how it is. I do a lot of eye scanning and it gets annoying to see all that got together, Nice and separated. You'll see it right there. Always share the guest website and the product because look, they're here. You know they want to spread value and promote the product.

Speaker 1: 26:36

Okay, me, I'm open and I'm fine with that because I want to provide value to people with options and solutions. Okay, that's and solutions. That's all I'm going to say about that. Check in the description. If you're tired of me just yapping and yapping and scrolling through, You're going to see it on YouTube, You're going to see it on Buzzsprout or even the website. It's going to be there. You should be able to click. It's as simple as a click. I don't talk bad enough about AI. I think I'm becoming a little too positive. You're going to help me balance that out. What are the emerging threats of AI regarding this innovative security tool?

Speaker 2: 27:15

It is really big, really big, the emerging threats of AI. I can't we need another episode just to talk about that. But actually I can say that AI is being used by scammers in a very good way, so it's automating pretty much their process. It's recreating legit websites that look like your bank's website. They're recreating emails that look like professional emails. They're trying to interfere when you visit the website. They kind of mask it so that when you put your password, they grab it Like they're using AI very, very well and from now on, phishing will be more efficient for them and you know the fact that they can automate that and just do it on a mass scale.

Speaker 2: 28:03

I think more people will fall to fraud and the market is already growing a lot. Fraud is just insanely growing at 17% every year. So it's already a big market. It's going to be gigantic by 2030. So we think AI is a real problem and we're actually building our technology to fend off that threat. We want to make sure that, no matter what happens to your information, no matter what happens to your biometric too because you know your biometric can be stolen Someone can snap a picture of your image. I predict that. So we created our technology to protect against that being threatened.

Speaker 1: 28:43

Absolutely, and that's going to be your. Of course, your motivation is to update, catch, just to catch 2.0 or 3.0, whatever point holes you need to go through, just a update that gets emerging. Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know that was brief, that was very profound, because ai on me, so much, you know, and yeah, they go on and may well take it passwords, yeah, and yeah, they can automate what taking passwords. Yeah, phishing, yeah, forget it. They can phish like a million in one click instead of like, oh, let me get this guy, this guy, this guy, this girl, nope, automate that, find these susceptible targets and put it right there.

Speaker 1: 29:21

I think you have to have some kind of you're going to need some kind of detectable AI that you'll know is coming from AI, something like that. I mean, I'm an expert, but I'm sure there's ready tools that can detect that. Oh, this was generated by AI, this is AI. I mean, I talked about using it for school papers, but we try to bring this to cybersecurity. We try to bring this to cybersecurity, something that you know this could be useful to detect and catch bad actors using AI just to steal with great automation in such a massive scale. So you know that was brief, but I think that covers a heck of a lot. So that's all I'm going to say about that. Anything else you want to add before I wrap this up?

Speaker 2: 30:11

No, thank you so much for having me, Elias. It was better to show on your apps and if anyone watching this, they learned something about the themselves. They learned something about the risks, about the identity, because you know, we tend to take things lightly, sometimes, like who cares and who doesn't. By the end of the day, when you fall, when you become a victim, when you have thousands of frauds, when the investigation of that fraud puts you at guilt and you feel hopeless and lonely, this is where you know those threats were real and so don't take it lightly. Identity fraud is such a serious risk to your life, to your financial life, to your well-being. There's a lot of emotional and mental problems that you have to deal with. Once you figure out and I've been through this so I know exactly what it is it's when you're not safe, no matter how harsh it's trying to be.

Speaker 1: 31:13

Just because I've dealt with it twice, I've resolved it. But two is 20, so Eli's 20. It costs great emotional, psychological, social and even legal pay. Absolutely so, oh. And let me throw in financial pain. Obviously, you know that's super obvious, but yeah, it's uh, yeah. So all I gotta say is do the best you can invest in this. Catch IDcom. Okay, that's one of your solutions because, listen, the breaches are just getting more massive. It's happening, okay.

Speaker 1: 31:57

And the dark web? Once you start to navigate through the dark web, they get your information very simple. I've seen videos of this. It it's scary, okay. So don't look at it as, oh, I got to behave or something. No, join the revolution. Join the revolution. That's the only way real change is going to happen. Or you can just put up with this device-oriented security and get robbed is going to happen. Or you just put up with this device oriented security and get robbed knowingly and, most importantly, unknowingly. Okay. So that's what I'm going to say about that.

Speaker 1: 32:37

I wish I could end that in a more happier note, but this is more of a. This is like the darkest AI episode yet and I got to bounce. I think I was becoming a little too positive. So thank you for bringing me bringing some balance to this podcast, because I want to keep it nuanced. So we definitely have to bring the darkness into this part of the podcast. So I was afraid I was becoming too light, I was getting too light hearted with it. So I thank you for that. Normally not a light hearted person, I mean, I see pros and cons of trying to be Russian, but you know you can blame them why it's so dark. But hey, it's better for you to know your demons, know your problems than just, I don't know, putting your head in the sand. Know your demons, know your problem, then just put your head in the sand.

Speaker 2: 33:27

Yeah, let's act together, elias, and the future is bright. No, there are solutions. There are solutions and products that can help and provide that convenience and security at the same time. This is what we want you know At some point in the future. You don't need to have your phone, you don't need to have your wallet. You don't need to have your wallet, you don't need to have even your credit card. Your biometric can just make a purchase anywhere. It's as simple as that. The future is very bright. We just need to act and back technologies, not just cash. Any technology you can back today that has the potential to bring that future to Russia and help us be free. We don't want to be connected to devices. We're humans and we want our identity to be connected to our body, our biometric, and we are supposed to control who can use our information. That's our solution and we hope other technological companies, other technology companies follow suit and maybe they're going to be competitors. We're very happy with that because we want to find a solution.

Speaker 2: 34:34

Like I said, identity was very personal for me and I wish I didn't do that. To be honest, I was having a very good job, well-paid job, but when it happened to me twice, I decided to do this and I had to compromise a lot to do this. Just leaving your stable job and starting a business is not a joke. It's a serious challenge, and I took that challenge because I just wanted to find a solution. And so, with someone else, let's flip this way. But I'm also happy that I'm wanted to find a solution, and so, with someone else, let's flip this way. But I'm also happy that I'm able to contribute to a solution. So, yeah, no, the future is very bright. There's no dark anything here. The current situation is somehow dark, yeah, I agree, but the future is bright and technology is, in my view, the gateway to reinvent the future, and that okay, I'm not adding any more because I'll make it darker, so I'm just gonna be quiet, be wise.

Speaker 1: 35:35

He, yeah, the light that you know explain a very dark problem. So that's Soulstorm. Okay, so I'm just going to wrap this up. So, from wherever or whenever you listen to this podcast, have a blessed day, afternoon or night. Thank you.