The Gift of Dyslexia: An AI-Powered Conversation

This episode takes a unique approach to understanding dyslexia by using AI-generated voices driven by Google’s Gemini language model to unpack Tim’s recent review article, The Gift of Dyslexia: What is the Harm in it? Through an engaging, AI-generated conversation using NotebookLM, we explore the complexities of the “gift” narrative, the neurodiversity movement, and how framing dyslexia as a strength can sometimes have unintended effects. Join us for this experimental and whimsical deep dive as AI voices break down myths, challenge assumptions, and highlight the importance of viewing dyslexia with nuance and empathy, all generated and powered by Google’s NotebookLM.

Access the article here: The Gift of Dyslexia: What is the Harm in It?

Transcript

The Gift of Dyslexia, what's the harm?

[00:00:00] Tim Odegard: Welcome back. As I look out my window, it's a sunny, beautiful fall day, and I'm waiting for some car work to finish before I head to St. Louis this weekend with my son. He's preparing for a big rock climbing competition back in action after an injury and still hoping to qualify for regionals this season.

[00:00:31] Today, I'm bringing you something a little different. For this episode, I fed my recent review article, The Gift of Dyslexia, What is the Harm? Published in the Annals of Dyslexia, I'll provide the link in the description. Well, I fed this into Google's Notebook LM. Using two different AI voices, Google's Gemini AI model produced a conversation that attempts to unpack the major themes, takeaways, and interpretations of my work.

[00:00:57] So here's an episode that's part experimentation, part exploration, and 100 percent whimsical. As I try to see how AI understands and conveys the complexity of dyslexia as captured in one of my recent published papers. So let's dive into this AI powered conversation based on the gift of dyslexia. What is the harm?

[00:01:30] AI Male Voice: Hey everyone, and welcome back for another deep dive. You know, we've been getting a lot of questions about this idea of dyslexia as a gift. 

[00:01:37] AI Female Voice: Oh, yeah, for sure. 

[00:01:38] AI Male Voice: And, uh, so we wanted to take a closer look at that concept today. 

[00:01:42] AI Female Voice: Yeah. 

[00:01:43] AI Male Voice: Using a really interesting research article that we found from the Annals of Dyslexia journal.

[00:01:48] AI Female Voice: It's, uh, it's interesting, right? Because I think it challenges some assumptions. 

[00:01:51] AI Male Voice: Yeah. And so let's just start by kind of making sure we're all on the same page about what dyslexia is. 

[00:02:00] AI Female Voice: Okay. 

[00:02:00] AI Male Voice: I mean, basically we're talking about difficulties with reading and spelling words. Right. Um, and it's a lot more common than people think.

[00:02:07] AI Female Voice: Oh, for sure. 

[00:02:08] AI Male Voice: It affects like three to 17 percent of the population. 

[00:02:10] AI Female Voice: Wow. Yeah. 

[00:02:11] AI Male Voice: Yeah, 

[00:02:12] AI Female Voice: that's a lot. 

[00:02:13] AI Male Voice: Yeah. So it's something that we should all be aware of and thinking about. Uh huh. And, and so, you know, historically we've kind of viewed dyslexia. through this like medical model of disability, right? Like it's something that needs to be fixed or cured.

[00:02:26] AI Female Voice: Yeah, treat it like a disease almost. 

[00:02:28] AI Male Voice: Exactly, yeah. And, but in recent years there's been this real shift in thinking. 

[00:02:32] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:02:33] AI Male Voice: Um, and a lot of that has to do with the emergence of the neurodiversity movement. Totally, yeah. Can you talk a little bit about that? 

[00:02:38] AI Female Voice: Yeah, so the neurodiversity movement, it really um, I think it really started with a focus on autism, and this idea that, you know, differences in how our brains work are really just natural variations.

[00:02:52] You know, they're not necessarily deficits to be corrected, or Um, you know, changed or, um, you know, look down upon or whatever. 

[00:03:00] AI Male Voice: It's not about making everyone the same. 

[00:03:01] AI Female Voice: Yeah, exactly. It's about appreciating those differences. 

[00:03:04] AI Male Voice: Yeah. And 

[00:03:05] AI Female Voice: kind of celebrating the fact that we all think and learn in unique ways.

[00:03:09] Right. It's like 

[00:03:09] AI Male Voice: embracing those differences instead of trying to fit everybody into this like One size fits all mold. 

[00:03:15] AI Female Voice: Totally. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And so, that leads us to this really interesting question that this article explores. Okay. Which is, you know, can focusing on the supposed gifts of dyslexia actually do more harm than good?

[00:03:27] AI Male Voice: Oh, that's interesting. 

[00:03:28] AI Female Voice: Even if the intentions are good. You know? 

[00:03:31] AI Male Voice: Yeah. I mean, everyone wants to feel empowered. Right. Could this gift idea actually be creating harmful stereotypes? 

[00:03:42] AI Female Voice: That's the question we're going to try to answer. 

[00:03:43] AI Male Voice: Oh, that's fascinating. Okay. So let's dive into those so called gifts then.

[00:03:47] All 

[00:03:47] AI Female Voice: right. 

[00:03:48] AI Male Voice: I mean, we often hear things like people with dyslexia are more creative, they're better problem solvers. Yeah. They have like superior visual spatial reasoning. Yep. Uh, maybe even like a natural entrepreneurial mindset. I've 

[00:04:00] AI Female Voice: heard all of those things. 

[00:04:00] AI Male Voice: Right. Right. And so this article actually takes a critical look at the evidence behind those claims.

[00:04:05] AI Female Voice: It does. 

[00:04:06] AI Male Voice: Uh, and, and so one of the things that it kind of dives into. It's this idea that people with dyslexia are all visual spatial whizzes. 

[00:04:14] AI Female Voice: Yes! That's a big one. 

[00:04:16] AI Male Voice: And the research actually shows that that's a myth. 

[00:04:18] AI Female Voice: Yeah. Really. 

[00:04:19] AI Male Voice: I always thought that was like a given. Yeah, 

[00:04:20] AI Female Voice: I know. It's such a common misconception.

[00:04:22] Yeah. Um, and while, you know, some individuals with dyslexia might excel. In those kinds of tasks, it's definitely not a universal strength. Okay. And in fact, the research shows that there's like a wide range of visual spatial abilities. Oh, wow. Within the dyslexia population. 

[00:04:41] AI Male Voice: So some might even underperform in that area.

[00:04:43] AI Female Voice: Exactly. 

[00:04:43] AI Male Voice: Compared to people without dyslexia. Yes. Oh, that's so interesting. 

[00:04:46] AI Female Voice: Yeah. 

[00:04:47] AI Male Voice: So it's not a simple equation like, 

[00:04:48] AI Female Voice: Right. 

[00:04:49] AI Male Voice: Okay, what about creativity then? I mean, there's this idea that people with dyslexia are just like inherently more creative. Right. Is there any truth to that? 

[00:04:56] AI Female Voice: Well, there was a huge meta analysis that looked at a ton of different studies and actually they found no significant difference in overall creativity between people with and without dyslexia.

[00:05:10] AI Male Voice: So, again, not as simple as we might think. 

[00:05:11] AI Female Voice: No, it's complex. 

[00:05:13] AI Male Voice: Are there any nuances to that finding, though? 

[00:05:15] AI Female Voice: There are some interesting nuances.

[00:05:20] Might have a bit of a disadvantage in tasks that involve verbal creativity, but not in those that involve figures or like images, you know. 

[00:05:30] AI Male Voice: Huh. So there might be something to that visual thinking piece. Perhaps. But again, not like a universal gift. 

[00:05:37] AI Female Voice: Right. 

[00:05:37] AI Male Voice: Now, emotional intelligence is another one of those gifts that often comes up.

[00:05:41] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:05:42] AI Male Voice: But isn't that like a really hard thing to measure? 

[00:05:44] AI Female Voice: It's a really slippery concept. It's hard to define and it's hard to measure. 

[00:05:48] AI Male Voice: And the research on emotional intelligence and dyslexia is still pretty limited, right? Very much so. And it's produced some kind of conflicting results. 

[00:05:56] AI Female Voice: Yeah, 

[00:05:57] AI Male Voice: it has. What's the general consensus there?

[00:05:59] AI Female Voice: Well, some studies suggest that people with dyslexia might experience 

[00:06:06] AI Male Voice: Okay. 

[00:06:07] AI Female Voice: They have this like heightened emotional reactivity. 

[00:06:10] AI Male Voice: Oh, so that could be both a good and a bad thing. Exactly. Like, they might be more empathetic. Right. But also more susceptible to anxiety or depression. 

[00:06:18] AI Female Voice: That's exactly right. It's kind of a double edged sword.

[00:06:20] AI Male Voice: It's really interesting. 

[00:06:21] AI Female Voice: Yeah. And we need a lot more research in that area to really fully understand it. 

[00:06:25] AI Male Voice: Definitely. So we're seeing this pattern, right? Where the research is kind of challenging these assumptions about automatic gifts. 

[00:06:32] AI Female Voice: I think that's a fair statement. 

[00:06:34] AI Male Voice: What about this whole entrepreneurial mindset thing?

[00:06:36] AI Female Voice: Okay. 

[00:06:36] AI Male Voice: I mean, we hear all these stories about like wildly successful dyslexic entrepreneurs. Yep. Richard Branton's a good example. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So is there like a real connection there? 

[00:06:46] AI Female Voice: I mean, it's true. There are some really inspiring stories out there. We can't just jump to conclusions based on anecdotes.

[00:06:53] Right. The research actually hasn't established like a clear Cause and effect relationship between dyslexia and entrepreneurial skills. 

[00:07:03] AI Male Voice: Well, it's not like if you have dyslexia, you're automatically going to be a successful entrepreneur. 

[00:07:07] AI Female Voice: Right. And I think it's important to remember that success in any field, especially something like entrepreneurship, really depends on so many different factors.

[00:07:15] I mean, things like your socioeconomic background, the opportunities you have access to, um, sometimes even just plain luck. 

[00:07:24] AI Male Voice: Right. Right. So if these so called gifts. Okay. Does that mean the gift of dyslexia is really just a stereotype? That's a good question. And what exactly do we even mean by stereotype?

[00:07:37] AI Female Voice: So a stereotype is basically a widely held belief about a group of people, um, and it can be positive or negative. 

[00:07:45] AI Male Voice: Right. We tend to think about stereotypes as being negative. 

[00:07:47] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:07:48] AI Male Voice: But there are positive ones too. Absolutely. Okay. 

[00:07:50] AI Female Voice: And the problem is that stereotypes, whether they're positive or negative, tend to oversimplify things.

[00:07:56] AI Male Voice: Okay. 

[00:07:57] AI Female Voice: They reduce individuals to a set of preconceived traits, and they ignore their unique strengths and challenges. 

[00:08:04] AI Male Voice: So in other words, saying all people with dyslexia are creative geniuses could be just as harmful 

[00:08:09] AI Female Voice: as 

[00:08:09] AI Male Voice: saying they're all slow learners. 

[00:08:11] AI Female Voice: Exactly, yeah. Positive stereotypes might seem flattering on the surface, but they can still put a lot of pressure on people to conform to those expectations.

[00:08:20] AI Male Voice: And that pressure can be really damaging. 

[00:08:22] AI Female Voice: Absolutely. 

[00:08:22] AI Male Voice: There's this concept called stereotype threat, right? Yeah. Which basically means that when people are aware of negative stereotypes about their group they can actually perform worse because of that anxiety and pressure to prove those stereotypes wrong.

[00:08:37] AI Female Voice: Yeah, and it can be like a self fulfilling prophecy. You're told you're not capable. You start to believe it and then it actually undermines your ability to thrive. 

[00:08:46] AI Male Voice: And research shows this can happen with positive stereotypes, too. 

[00:08:49] AI Female Voice: Yes, it can. 

[00:08:50] AI Male Voice: So if you internalize this idea that you're supposed to be like a creative genius.

[00:08:55] AI Female Voice: Right. 

[00:08:56] AI Male Voice: Because you have dyslexia. 

[00:08:57] AI Female Voice: Right. 

[00:08:58] AI Male Voice: It can lead to a lot of anxiety and self doubt. 

[00:09:00] AI Female Voice: Absolutely. 

[00:09:00] AI Male Voice: If you don't feel like you're living up to that expectation. 

[00:09:02] AI Female Voice: Yeah, 

[00:09:03] AI Male Voice: I can imagine. This is really eye opening. 

[00:09:05] AI Female Voice: The complex issue. 

[00:09:06] AI Male Voice: Yeah, we need to be so much more mindful of how we talk about dyslexia. 

[00:09:10] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:09:12] AI Male Voice: And avoid those like simplistic labels, even if our intentions are good.

[00:09:16] Definitely. So where do we go from here? If these so called gifts aren't necessarily inherent, how should we view the strengths That people with dyslexia often develop. 

[00:09:29] AI Female Voice: Yeah, that's a great question, and I think that's what we should talk about next. 

[00:09:32] AI Male Voice: Okay, awesome. I'm excited to dive into that. 

[00:09:34] AI Female Voice: Me too. It's all about recognizing, you know, that people with dyslexia are individuals with their own unique sets of strengths and challenges.

[00:09:43] Right. They're not defined by their dyslexia. Yeah. And they're certainly not all walking around with, like, a special set of superpowers. 

[00:09:51] AI Male Voice: It seems like we've really been oversimplifying things with this whole gift narrative. 

[00:09:56] AI Female Voice: I think so. And those oversimplifications can lead to some real harm. 

[00:10:01] AI Male Voice: Yeah, and the last part you mentioned stereotype threat.

[00:10:03] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:10:04] AI Male Voice: This idea that if you're aware of negative stereotypes about your group, it could actually make you perform worse. 

[00:10:10] AI Female Voice: Exactly. And it's not just about negative stereotypes. Positive stereotypes, like this gift narrative, can also create pressure and anxiety. Yeah. 

[00:10:19] AI Male Voice: So someone with dyslexia might feel like they have to live up to this expectation of being like, A creative genius or a brilliant entrepreneur, which can be incredibly daunting.

[00:10:30] AI Female Voice: Absolutely. And when they inevitably face challenges or setbacks, they might internalize those negative stereotypes and start to doubt their own ability. It can create this vicious cycle of self doubt and underachievement. 

[00:10:44] AI Male Voice: This is all starting to make so much sense now. It's like we've been so focused on labeling people that we've forgotten to see them as individuals.

[00:10:52] AI Female Voice: That's exactly right. And the article really emphasizes the importance of recognizing the diversity of experiences within the dyslexia community. You know, some individuals might excel in visual spatial tasks while others might have a knack for storytelling. And still others might be incredibly talented musicians.

[00:11:11] AI Male Voice: So it's about celebrating those individual strengths, not trying to squeeze everyone into like a predefined box. 

[00:11:17] AI Female Voice: Exactly. And, you know, this idea of adaptation that we talked about earlier, I think is really key here. 

[00:11:22] AI Male Voice: You mean how some of the strengths we see in people with dyslexia? 

[00:11:26] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:11:26] AI Male Voice: Might actually be the result of them adapting to the challenges they face.

[00:11:30] AI Female Voice: Think about it. If you've spent your whole life struggling to read and write in a world that, you know, That places so much emphasis on those skills. Right. You've probably had to develop some pretty incredible coping mechanisms and problem solving strategies.

[00:11:43] AI Male Voice: It makes it like you're constantly having to find workarounds.

[00:11:46] Yes. Think outside the box. 

[00:11:48] AI Female Voice: Exactly. And those skills can translate into real strengths in other areas. 

[00:11:52] AI Male Voice: Okay. 

[00:11:52] AI Female Voice: For example, individuals with dyslexia might become incredibly resourceful. 

[00:11:56] AI Male Voice: Yeah. 

[00:11:57] AI Female Voice: Adaptable and persistent because they've had to find alternative ways to learn and succeed. 

[00:12:02] AI Male Voice: So what might be seen as a weakness in one context can actually become a strength in another.

[00:12:08] AI Female Voice: That's right. It's all about how we frame it and the opportunities we provide for people to thrive. Okay. And this is where the concept of a growth mindset comes in. 

[00:12:16] AI Male Voice: Can you remind us what a growth mindset is all about? 

[00:12:19] AI Female Voice: Sure, it's the belief that your abilities aren't fixed, that you can always learn and grow regardless of your starting point.

[00:12:26] It's about embracing challenges as opportunities for growth and seeing mistakes as part of the learning process. 

[00:12:32] AI Male Voice: But instead of saying, I'm not good at this, you say, I'm not good at this yet. 

[00:12:36] AI Female Voice: Exactly. And this is so important for everyone, but especially for individuals with dyslexia. 

[00:12:41] AI Male Voice: Right. 

[00:12:41] AI Female Voice: If they're constantly being told they have limitations.

[00:12:44] They might start to believe it and give up on their potential, but if they're encouraged to embrace challenges and see mistakes as opportunities for growth, they're going to They're much more likely to succeed. 

[00:12:56] AI Male Voice: So how can we foster a growth mindset in individuals with dyslexia? 

[00:13:00] AI Female Voice: It starts with the language we use.

[00:13:01] AI Male Voice: Okay. 

[00:13:02] AI Female Voice: Instead of focusing on what they can't do, let's celebrate their effort, their persistence, and the progress they make no matter how small. Yeah. Let's help them see challenges as opportunities for growth and learning, not as roadblocks. 

[00:13:15] AI Male Voice: So it's about shifting the focus from fixing deficits. To nurturing strengths.

[00:13:21] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:13:21] AI Male Voice: And empowering individuals to reach their full potential. 

[00:13:24] AI Female Voice: Exactly. And it's not just about individual effort. We also need to create supportive environments. Uhhuh , where people with dyslexia feel empowered to learn and grow. Yeah. This means. Educating teachers, parents, and employers about dyslexia and providing the necessary resources and accommodations to help individuals thrive.

[00:13:43] AI Male Voice: So it's a collective effort. 

[00:13:44] AI Female Voice: It is. 

[00:13:44] AI Male Voice: We all have a role to play in creating a more inclusive and empowering world for individuals with dyslexia. 

[00:13:50] AI Female Voice: It's about challenging our own assumptions and biases and neurodiversity. 

[00:13:57] AI Male Voice: This has been such an enlightening conversation. 

[00:13:59] AI Female Voice: Yeah, it has. 

[00:14:00] AI Male Voice: I feel like I'm seeing dyslexia in a whole new light.

[00:14:02] Good. But before we wrap up, I'm curious to know more about what we can do on a practical level 

[00:14:08] AI Female Voice: Okay. 

[00:14:08] AI Male Voice: To create these supportive environments. 

[00:14:10] AI Female Voice: That's a great question and that's what we'll dive into more deeply in the next part of our deep dive. 

[00:14:14] AI Male Voice: Awesome. 

[00:14:15] AI Female Voice: Yes. 

[00:14:16] AI Male Voice: We were talking a lot about this idea of the gift of dyslexia and kind of unpacking that 

[00:14:21] AI Female Voice: and 

[00:14:21] AI Male Voice: understanding, you know, the real nature of dyslexia.

[00:14:24] Right. So now I kind of want to shift gears a little bit. 

[00:14:27] AI Female Voice: Okay. Okay. 

[00:14:28] AI Male Voice: And talk about what we can actually do to support people with dyslexia. Yes. You keep talking about creating supportive environments. 

[00:14:35] AI Female Voice: Right. 

[00:14:35] AI Male Voice: Where do we even start with that? 

[00:14:36] AI Female Voice: Well, I think it really begins with understanding. Yeah. You know, educating ourselves and others about what dyslexia is and what it isn't.

[00:14:43] AI Male Voice: Uh huh. We need to move away from those old ideas that focus only on like deficits and weaknesses. 

[00:14:49] AI Female Voice: Yeah. 

[00:14:49] AI Male Voice: And really embrace a view that recognizes the strength and potential of people with dyslexia. 

[00:14:55] AI Female Voice: Totally. It's like we've been looking at it through the wrong lens. Yes. You know, focusing on the deficits instead of the possibilities.

[00:15:01] AI Male Voice: Yeah. And that shift in perspective needs to happen everywhere. It does. Like in our schools, workplaces, even in our just everyday interactions. Absolutely. We need to create a culture where neurodiversity is seen as an asset, not a liability. 

[00:15:15] AI Female Voice: I love that. 

[00:15:16] AI Male Voice: Okay. But that feels like a big task. 

[00:15:18] AI Female Voice: It is. 

[00:15:19] AI Male Voice: How do we actually make that happen?

[00:15:20] AI Female Voice: Well, it starts with simple things. Okay. Like. Seeking out information from reputable sources. Okay. There is a great website called understood. org. Okay. Um, they have resources created by experts in the field. Uh huh. People like Dr. Guinevere Eden. Yeah. Who explained dyslexia in a really clear, easy to understand way.

[00:15:40] AI Male Voice: That's awesome. 

[00:15:40] AI Female Voice: And they offer practical tips for supporting neurodiversity. Okay. In all sorts of settings. 

[00:15:45] AI Male Voice: That's really helpful. 

[00:15:46] AI Female Voice: Yeah. 

[00:15:46] AI Male Voice: I'll definitely check that out. Yeah. But it's not just about like reading articles, right? No. It's about actually listening to people with dyslexia. 

[00:15:54] AI Female Voice: Absolutely. 

[00:15:55] AI Male Voice: Learning from their lived experience.

[00:15:56] AI Female Voice: Yes. Their voices need to be at the center of this conversation. 

[00:16:00] AI Male Voice: Right. 

[00:16:00] AI Female Voice: We shouldn't be making assumptions about what they need or want. We should be asking them and being open to learning from their perspectives. 

[00:16:08] AI Male Voice: That makes so much sense. So what are some concrete things, then, that we can do to support people with dyslexia in places like schools and workplaces?

[00:16:17] AI Female Voice: Well, in schools, it's crucial to identify dyslexia early and provide appropriate interventions. This might involve specialized reading programs or assistive technology. 

[00:16:28] AI Male Voice: Oh, yeah, you mentioned assistive technology. What are some examples of that? 

[00:16:32] AI Female Voice: Well, there are all sorts of cool tools available these days.

[00:16:35] AI Male Voice: Okay. 

[00:16:36] AI Female Voice: Um, text to speech software can help students listen to written material. Right. Speech to text software can help them express their thoughts in writing. Yeah. And there are also organizational tools and visual aids 

[00:16:48] AI Male Voice: that 

[00:16:49] AI Female Voice: can be really helpful. 

[00:16:50] AI Male Voice: That's awesome. Technology can really kind of level the playing field.

[00:16:54] AI Female Voice: It can. 

[00:16:55] AI Male Voice: What about in the workplace? 

[00:16:56] AI Female Voice: Yeah. 

[00:16:57] AI Male Voice: How can employers make their environments more inclusive for people with dyslexia? 

[00:17:02] AI Female Voice: It's really about recognizing that people with dyslexia might need different types of support to thrive. This could involve providing flexible work arrangements. 

[00:17:11] Music: Okay. 

[00:17:12] AI Female Voice: Offering training on those assistive technologies.

[00:17:14] Uh huh. Or simply creating a culture of open communication where employees feel comfortable disclosing their learning differences. And asking for what they need. 

[00:17:24] AI Male Voice: That sense of psychological safety is so important. 

[00:17:27] AI Female Voice: It is 

[00:17:27] AI Male Voice: like no one should feel like they have to hide who they are or struggle in silence.

[00:17:31] AI Female Voice: Absolutely. And remember, creating a supportive environment isn't just about providing accommodations. It's also about recognizing the unique talents and perspectives that people with dyslexia bring to the table. 

[00:17:45] AI Male Voice: Right. They might be like amazing problem solvers or visual thinkers or storytellers.

[00:17:49] AI Female Voice: Exactly. So instead of seeing dyslexia as a limitation, it's Let's see it as a source of strength and diversity. 

[00:17:55] AI Male Voice: I love that. And let's remember that the principles of growth mindset apply here, too. Yes, they do. We talked about how important it is to encourage a growth mindset in individuals with dyslexia, helping them see challenges as opportunities for growth.

[00:18:10] AI Female Voice: Yeah. 

[00:18:10] AI Male Voice: But those of us who don't have dyslexia can also learn from this. 

[00:18:14] AI Female Voice: Right. 

[00:18:14] AI Male Voice: We can all benefit from embracing a growth mindset. Totally. Where we believe in our capacity to learn and grow throughout our lives. 

[00:18:22] AI Female Voice: Absolutely. 

[00:18:24] AI Male Voice: This has been such an incredibly insightful deep dive. 

[00:18:26] AI Female Voice: It has. I 

[00:18:27] AI Male Voice: feel like I've learned so much, not just about dyslexia, but also about myself.

[00:18:30] AI Female Voice: Good. 

[00:18:31] AI Male Voice: And the importance of embracing differences. 

[00:18:33] AI Female Voice: Yeah. 

[00:18:33] AI Male Voice: Before we wrap up, is there a final takeaway you'd like to leave our listeners with? 

[00:18:38] AI Female Voice: I think the most important thing is to remember that dyslexia is just one aspect of a person's identity. Okay. It doesn't define them, and it certainly doesn't limit their potential.

[00:18:47] Music: Right. 

[00:18:47] AI Female Voice: So let's challenge our own assumptions, celebrate neurodiversity, and create a world where everyone has the opportunity to shine. 

[00:18:55] AI Male Voice: Beautifully said. Thank you so much for joining us on this journey, everyone. And remember, keep those curious minds engaged, and never stop diving deep.