S3 E35: Strange Realms and New Realities with Author Ron Millis

Join host Donald Dunn on this thrilling episode of "Spirits and Stories with Donald Dunn" as he dives deep into the paranormal with special guest Ron Millis. A former paranormal radio show host and author of the supernatural fiction novel "Healers," Ron shares his fascinating journey through the realms of the unexplained, from eerie encounters to thoughts on time travel and cryptozoology. Explore the mysterious intersections of life and the afterlife, and hear Ron's unique insights into the power of storytelling in understanding the paranormal. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this episode promises to challenge your perceptions of the known and unknown. Don't miss out on these captivating stories of miracles, angels, and lost souls.

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Show Notes:  Welcome to another spine-tingling episode of "Spirits and Stories," hosted by yours truly, Donald Dunn. This week, we delve deep into the eerie and enigmatic as we explore the paranormal with none other than Ron Millis, an author and former host of a paranormal radio show. Buckle up as we journey through tales of the supernatural, discussions on the existence of otherworldly entities, and Ron's personal experiences with the unknown. Whether you're a skeptic or a believer, this episode promises to entertain and maybe, just maybe, make you question the reality you know.

Episode Timeline:

• [00:45] - Introduction of Ron Millis, his background, and his passion for the paranormal.
• [05:32] - Ron shares his early encounters with the paranormal and his inspirations from pop culture.
• [10:15] - Insights into Ron's time hosting a paranormal radio show and the challenges he faced.
• [18:20] - Discussion on the complexities of paranormal research and the importance of guest-driven stories.
• [28:55] - Ron’s perspective on the afterlife, reincarnation, and the spiritual dimensions he has explored through his guests.
• [40:10] - Delving into Ron’s books, "Healers" and his vie

Transcript

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You can go to this link right there and click on it. Give them a little help. Hit that donate button. Follow them. learn about all the great things that Operation Encore does for our veterans. Hey, welcome everybody to Spirits and Stories. This is your host, Donald Dunn. You know, another one of my favorite episodes is coming up. We're going to talk about the paranormal. I absolutely love talking about The Unknown. Not to mention, this gentleman is also an author. And since I have just released my first book, I find it interesting to talk to other authors. So let's introduce Ron Millis. He is a native Clevelander residing in Columbus. I hope he doesn't hold it against me because I got a bangle chair that I sit in. But he is residing in Columbus, Ohio. He is the former host of an internet paranormal radio show and has always been interested in the weird, strange, and paranormal. In 2004, Ron released a supernatural fiction novel titled Healers, and in the midst of the 2021 COVID pandemic, Ron released an updated paperback version of Healers, Three Tales of Miracles, Angels, and Lost Souls. Let's bring on Ron. There we go. Hey, how's it going? Okay. All right, man. Good, good. Thank you for having me. Thank you for that. No, I'm not going to be too mad at you. It's up at the Bengals. But I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and went to Columbus for work. So I'm not going to be too mad at you. If you're in a Steelers chair, I might be mad at you. I would be mad at myself. You know, I do kind of live right now in the best place to be a Bengals fan. And I live near Kansas City. So the Bengals are doing good against all my homes. So I'll take it. I'll take it. So let's get into a little bit. Tell everybody a little bit about yourself and where you grew up and how did you get into the radio and the paranormal? I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio. Born and raised there. left for Columbus for a job as a social worker for 32, 33 years. You have to excuse my voice. I'm getting over a little bit of COVID. Went there for a job. Pretty much stayed for a long time in Columbus working um I've always really really been interested in the paranormal as a kid I remember you know I watched in search of with leonard nimoy love star trek yeah um I one of the first things I want to stay up and see uh this is when and the tv the three big tv stations ABC, NBC, and what's the other one? CBS? Yeah, CBS. They would make movies for, you know, movies of the week for their station. And I saw one evening, you know, what was coming up was the UFO incident. And it had James Earl Jones and Estelle Parsons in it. And it's about Betty and Barney Hill, the UFO incident. when they were, you know, captured and taken in a UFO. And I think, I don't know, how old was this, 1975? I was young then. I was like, so, I think I was 13 or something, 12, begged my mom and said, let me stay up, let me stay up, let me stay up, you know. I want to see this, I want to see it. Begging her, so. Okay, okay, you can stay up and watch it. You know, she said, but she thought I'd be asleep anyway, so. went all the way to 11 o'clock. I was wide awake. I was mesmerized by the whole thing. This is really true. And I'm thinking to myself, it was just amazing. So I've always been interested in the weird, the strange, and the paranormal. And when I got to Columbus, I did a little I was bringing these guys in that had a show called The Chosen on Talktainment Radio. There's some podcasts we're getting and their infancy and getting big. So these other four, these other four guys were supposed to be introduced and they were supposed to be doing a two hour thing talking about the paranormal. And I did some of the ins and outs and stuff, you know, we'll be right back with The Chosen, you know, and, um, They just talked among themselves. They didn't really have any guests. And I'm a guy that listened to Coast to Coast. And I was like, why don't they get any guests? I'm thinking to myself. And I did get them their first guest. And their first guest was Howard Storm. And he wrote a book by Descending the Hail. And he talked about having a near-death experience and not going to a nice place with the hail. Yeah. and he became a pastor after the whole incident. So I got him to come on the show, you know, because he was, he was, he's running a church in Ohio. So they didn't really do their due diligence to do their research or anything. So I was asking most of the questions and everything. So, and they, they kind of like just, they would, They just didn't do enough research. They didn't seem to take it serious to me. Right. So then we had a meeting and stuff like that, you know. And I wanted to get other show hosts and stuff to show people to come in and talk about their incidents and everything. So just kind of relegate me again, just do the ins and outs and stuff. You're listening to The Chosen, heard only on Talk Taming Radio. so they had a meeting one time and because I wanted to get somebody else I had a meeting and the guy who kind of owned the studio and stuff well they didn't show up you know guess they're mad at you or something like that they didn't show up I don't know if they're gonna show up for the show we're not gonna have a show tonight I guess they're protesting me he said you want to take over the show and do it yourself and I said oh my god I was waiting for you to ask me Five years I was doing that. I think from 2008 and stuff, five years I was doing it. It's going to be guest-driven. I'm not going to... When you did have a guest, the way they question the guest is the only thing we truly know is what we don't know. How many times have we thought somebody was crazy and they weren't? That's for the audience to decide. You just ask the questions. You know, hang up from there. And he was like, well, you know, what are the things that you want to do there? And I was like, time travel, cryptozoology, spontaneous human combustion, secrets, religion, strange religions, government conspiracies, alien abductions. I wanted to do it all. Ghosts, ghost apparitions, shadow people, haunted places. You know, so I started getting guests and I was working on getting guests at first and then they kind of came to me. Books are coming and stuff. Every Monday, I was there Monday nights with guests. From there, really, the guests I wanted because I wanted to learn from them. I wanted to learn what they know. My tagline was doubt if you dare, but believe if you have the courage because you're listening to the chosen, you know, and I was really into it, you know, and you got a lot of tons of books from people and stuff and people that I heard on a coast to coast. And I said, I just wanted to do it like that. I want to learn as much as I could. So, yeah. Look, at the end of the day, I had a guest on, and I haven't released that episode yet, but I had a guest on, and he's really big into the paranormal as well. And he said something on there that really made sense, right? At the end of the day, none of us know anything about ghosts and stuff like that until we die. Until then, everything's a theory. And so unless you are out there interacting with other people and taking in information, it's going to be hard for you to base that theory and kind of mold it. Because at the end of the day, you need other people's encounters and perspectives and everything else. Because the truth is, you know, we're not going to know until we die what's on the other side. And I do personally believe, you know, I was telling him on that show that at the end of the day, when my dad had passed, before we buried him, I seen him standing by a window. And to this day, I'll still swear on that. And then I haven't seen him since, you know? And so I do believe in the paranormal. I do believe that we're not the only existence in the world. And I also believe that the human mind has got a whole lot more potential than what we're using. So I do believe in things like psychics and, you know, levitation and, and stuff like that. So absolutely. That is the best way to live. Just like you said, having guests on and, and creating conversation. I, I had a couple of paranormal experiences and this building I was in, it was haunted and this before I got to Columbus and, I was introduced to the show and everything. I was staying in this building and it was a building probably in the 1920s and they converted it to apartments. They had like a marble floor. The one I was in, they made them efficiencies. It had a Murphy bed in there. It had a Murphy bed at the wall. So I was like, when I moved in there, it even had a mattress. I said, I'm not going to sleep on that thing. I was like, I was thinking that the three stooges you get in it goes up you get trapped in the wall it had a queen size or full side murphy bed in there so I would hear just like somebody walking in the hall I hear shoes you know because they had like these marble floors I look out there it stopped nothing I said yeah that's unusual so Well, the thing that really scared me is I had a futon. It was a futon I was going to pick up. I said, I got to get somebody to help me get this futon because, like I said, I'm not going to sleep on that Murphy bed. But I said, I don't have anything to sleep on. I put a sheet over the mattress and stuff. And I said, well, I ain't going to sleep on it tonight. Pulled it down. So you could see this whole apartment. There were like five windows, just the bathroom and a kitchenette. So I'm laying there at the door slot, and I feel like somebody sitting on the edge of the bed, and they lay next to me with their back turned to me. And my first thing in the neighborhood, and I said, somebody broke in. And I said, this idiot is going to lay on the bed next to me? And I'm getting prepared to turn around and fight whoever it is. And I'm like, my heart's beating out of my chest. I said, So I land to the bed. I said, this is crazy. And it's like they're laying on the bed. I turn around and it's the impression of somebody on the bed. And it leaves the bed, like the weight and everything. Wow. My heart was about to jump on my chest. And I was like, you know, it's trembling. And I did not, I just sat in the chair. I didn't get back and lift up that Murphy bed. And I said, don't know whose bed that is but I'm not laying on it anymore I got the full time the next day and I would wait till the sun came up I've never seen anything like that before yeah the place was haunted yup and I do that too yeah I do believe in all that stuff you know my wife I never personally heard this, but my wife said in the house that we lived in for quite a while, every couple nights or so, she would hear somebody say mommy, and then she'd feel a poke. And she would get up and go check on the kids. Kids were all asleep in their bed. she could never figure out where it came from and then just after I don't know six seven months or so of this it just quit and she hasn't heard it since and hasn't felt it again and I i never heard it but you know I i I don't know maybe it was just the mama instincts in her or maybe it was something I don't know but there's all sorts of weird stuff another thing happened in an apartment I was working a job that, you know, like an extra job. I get there late at night on the futon before, you know, made it flat, turn it from a couch to bed. And I was falling asleep on the futon, the TV on. And I heard somebody say my name. They said, Ron. And so I'm thinking I'm falling asleep. It must be going into dream sleep. And they said again, I felt the breath on my ear. I grabbed my ear and turned around. Just nothing there. Nothing there. And when I left, I told the guy, I said, your apartment's haunted. It's haunted. Well, it's just an old building. All I did was rehab it. But my theory with that, and I've had guests on and stuff, and they said that they said that You might be trapped between dimensions because you've been told that you're going to go to hell. Certain religions tell you you're going to go to hell, you're going to go to hell, you're going to go to hell. And it's very confusing. And so you don't want to go for the retribution. Nobody's perfect, but you think you're going to go to hell. And so you're trapped between those two worlds. Cause you don't want to leave this one and go to the light. And I had one person. Yeah. Some people are afraid to go to light. And I said, well, some people have been trapped for years and I said, yeah, I kind of lose their way to it. And she, she was like a psychic medium. She said, you know how I get them to go to light. She said, I have them follow me to the hospital. She said, cause you can't miss the light there. People are dying every day in the hospital. I said, I never thought of that. Yeah. I'll be coming in the hospital, she said, with several people behind me. Nobody could see them. Just like I'm strolling through the hospital or going to get something to eat in the cafeteria. And they get to finally see the light. Because she said, they can't find the light. Wow. Yeah. When somebody told me that, I looked up and they said, You know, because my grandmother said it as a child and stuff. God loves you, but he's a jealous God. And he'll burn in a lake of fire forever. And that kind of confused as a kid. My mother said, try to find the word hell in the Bible. It only appears one time. It's Gehenna. And it's outside of Jerusalem where they used to burn the trash. It was a lake of fire because you didn't have a dump then. You had a dump. You burned the trash. It's outside Jerusalem. And that was the Lake of Fire. And she said, pretty much, it's a human concept. And I said, I had thought about it. I said, why does God want revenge? You know, it was like, that's a human concept. We want that. And I asked her on the show, too. I said, do you think Hitler's in hell? She says, possibly he's not. I will tell you, I had a guest on, and she was a medium. And the way she described heaven, it just seems so true to me that I had no choice but to kind of believe it. And she made this comment about how there's different dimensions of heaven. that it's not like you're not walking through the pearly gates and then poof, you're all among angels. She said there's dimensions to it. And how you move up in those dimensions, she's not sure. She said the only part she has seen is the fifth dimension, which is the very basic, the very beginning. And she said that there's a person there that is not human that – kind of schools her and gives her info. And he also helps when people wanna talk to somebody on the other side, he helps bring those people to her so that she can communicate. And I said, well, I said, so, Is that like depending on how good you are? And she's like, I really don't know. She said, because I have brought murderers, child molesters, all sorts of people to able to talk. And she said, I cannot talk to anybody that's in hell. And she said that what I have learned from talking to people on the other side is, is if you were a dick here, you're a dick there too, that it doesn't change. You just, who you are is who you are. And I was like, man, that makes, that makes a lot of sense. You know, it would make sense that there's different dimensions and maybe what she's calling fifth dimension of heaven. Maybe it's not truly heaven. Maybe that's more like, you know, the, the holding area or, um, you know, just kind of the place that you're in between, um, waiting to go wherever you're going to go and uh it does make a lot of sense the way she talked you know she had me convinced I will admit that I i believe and from the guests we've had and stuff that you know I thought I probably would never but you evolve if you listen and then you kind of study it's hard to let go beliefs and I was baptized and I'm of no religion now. And then when I say I have no religion, people say, you know, well, you don't believe in God. I said, oh, no, that's not true. I said, first of all, I call it the creator. So I can't give it a man's sex or woman's sex. I think it's far beyond that, whatever it is. i said I just called the creator and I said let me say well how can you believe in god you have religions say blue religions are when I had um howard storm on the show and one thing he said it was like you know he didn't believe in anything and he just yelled when they were torturing him whatever beans there was and stuff torturing him and disemboweling him and everything he yelled out for jesus And Jesus peered and helped me talk to him. And pretty much he said, what religion should I be? And he said, whichever one brings you closer to God. I never believed as a kid that other religions were going to hell. I couldn't believe that. Yeah, me neither. Yeah, I couldn't believe that. That didn't make any sense to me. Because when anybody had the right thing, you know, so, and... At a point where it's Catholic also, too, is the thing you couldn't confuse. They say, you know, people that commit suicide go to hell. I can't believe that either, too. Can't believe that either. She had a comment about that, too. And it does make sense. So what she said is that the souls, which is your energy, right, does get reincarnated. That's what I believe in. And she said that you pick lessons for yourself to learn. That's what I believe. Before you even get into the human body or, and it may not even be human, you know, you may be an alien or something else. Cause she said there, she said there is a creator and it's not about religion. She wasn't a religious person either that said that the Christianity is the right way, which I believe is, All religions are man-wrote, and they are all changed and translated in different ways. So I do believe in a God. I believe that we're all praying to a same kind of God, creator, energy, whatever it is, right? But she said that the only thing that can change your plan is suicide. She said, all the way down to no matter what you do, you will not be able to deviate from your original plan that you made for yourself unless you decide to take your own life. And she said that they talk about how you're supposed to die and everything else. And when saying that, it makes a lot of sense because I can't imagine that anything, there's no normalcy to suicide, you know? And so I can't imagine that anybody would say, okay, in my next plan, I'm planning on hanging myself at the age of 26. You know, I just can't, I just, that doesn't make no sense to me, but it does make sense that your plan can be changed in certain ways. And suicide would definitely change it, you know? she did not say whether you go to heaven or hell she did say there is a hell she said she has not seen it and doesn't want to um but she said how all this started for her was she committed suicide and uh when she went to the other side that thing that I was saying that has been teaching her just looked at her and said it is not your time You need to go back. You need to go back. Now, I have a theory on that. Maybe what we're calling hell is the absence of being with the creator. That would make sense. Yeah, the absence of. And that might be my thought, but I definitely have evolved in reincarnation because one of the questions I asked when I was a Catholic, I said, you know, suicide's a mortal sin, right? then how come Johnny can get a gun and shoot me and take in my mission here on Earth, but I can't end it? That makes no sense to me. How does he get the free will to end my mission? And I'm not supposed to end it, but he gets the ability to do it. I had a guest on, and I think her name was Barbara Lang, I think. And she had this thing like 16... or 16 signs or something like that to figure out what your past life was. The things you say jokingly gives you a clue. And I would say, you know, somebody would ask me and joke around, what are you doing? I'd say, what are you doing? I'd say, well, I was a king in the past life. But I didn't get along with the people. Didn't get close to them. you know, and stuff. So there was, I said, there was a coup d'etat and I ended up in this life. And when she said that, she said, think about the things or choices you made. I said, I grew up in the projects in Cleveland, became a social worker. My first job was in their housing project for seven years. Then from then on, think about the other choices you made. I said, I never wanted an administrative job or desk job. I said, work with child abuse, senior abuse. I work with homeless. I work with people who are in recovery, with veterans in trouble, homeless vets. And I said, pre-release centers. I said, I've always, she said, you've always chosen jobs where you are forced to work and be closer in that group. this is your lesson to learn. It's like, did you get chances to move up? I said, I got a chance a couple of times. I hated it. And it was back. And in my mind, I was some type of field soldier because I was supposed to, I didn't learn how to be close to the people then. So I had to, those people had to be, they're a, Kids that sold drugs, people on drugs, you know, it was just like the list went, oh, no. And that like, so everybody decides to work with. Cause you didn't learn that. You said as a joke, you might've been a King somewhere. It was just like, you didn't get along with the people. Now you have to be close with them. Wow. You know, taking that, that theory and, and bringing it to myself. Right. I never grew up. thinking I'm going to be a soldier I i became a soldier out of couldn't find a job you know all the way through high school I was going to be a professional football player you know and and then when I realized that wasn't going to happen I decided I was going to be a criminal psychologist and then I realized you have to be smart for that too and so that didn't work either you know and so i I couldn't afford college and I ended up going into the military. And, and if you was to ask me the things that I have done in my life are things that I have never in my life ever grew up thinking I was going to do. I never thought I was going to go in the military. I never knew I was going to be deployed for 68 months. I never knew I was going to leave writing a book about it. And the, you know, I have a bunch of English teachers that would laugh if I told them I wrote a book right now. I was not that student. So it is weird because these are all things that I did not think about doing, but it's a path that I was put on and each of those steps led to it. So if I didn't plan this, You can't tell me that everything I'm doing right now, it had to have been planned by somebody. It might not have been me, but somebody planned it. It's not fate. And I think that goes to show the theory of you do plan your whole life, you know? so and dreams fascinate me they really do um at the end of the day I i believe that when you are dreaming you are reaching somewhere else your mind is is connected to something um maybe not always maybe things that happen during the day or your life or whatever can can also play a role in that. But sometimes you have dreams and then it happens. You see it happening and then it does happen. You know, there's a lot of things that I feel like touches another part of your, whether it be your soul or another part of your mind that we don't use. And it's fascinating to me when you start analyzing people's dreams, you know, but there is definitely another, there's more to it than just, Oh, that's just your mind unwinding, you know? Excuse me. Oh, you're good. So I think, I think if you, you get all these people around, right. And I didn't know you before this episode and, and, and the people that we're talking to are completely different, but some of what they're saying is, some of the things they're describing are the same you know and I'm a firm believer if you got enough people saying the same thing well they're not probably not all lying so yeah I think I think we're on to something um and I do believe in energy because There's too many unexplained things that aren't necessarily psychic. For example, we'll take a, you're, you're in the military and you're out on a mission, right? There is tons of decision-making processes that are happening. That's here. Don't step there. Go into this building, left or right. None of them, you know, the outcomes, right? But that gut feeling that you get that says, I shouldn't be here, I should be there. And then you see something happen in that spot that you were thinking about going and change your mind. That feeling that somebody's in the room with you, like you were talking about, you know, those types of things come way deeper than just intuition. You know, that is... is your body reaching out and feeling different types of energy and saying, hey, I shouldn't be here. Almost a warning sometimes. Yes, absolutely. And I've had that happen quite a bit. There was a lot of times I was not far from mortar rounds that had came in. And had I walked a different path or had I went to the bathroom at a time before, you know, the building would get hit. So I do believe in it. And there's a lot to it that I can't explain. But there is something there. I don't know about UFOs because... I mean, I do believe in them, but I don't know as what everybody is talking about, especially with the government now in Congress talking about them as much. I don't know if that's what we're talking about. There is zero chance that we are the only planet inhabited. But but I don't necessarily believe in the little green men and and the aliens and that type of stuff. But there's something. There's something out there. And I do think eventually we'll figure that out. But let's get into a little bit with your book. Where did the decision to actually become an author and start writing about the paranormal come from? Even before that, the first book I wrote, It's a social workbook, and you can also find it on Amazon. I wrote it with a gentleman named Alan Huff. And it's called Style Over Substance, a Critical Analysis of an African-American Teenage Subculture. And I wrote that as a young social worker. We were going to conferences, and we were working with that group of kids. And that was my first job for seven or eight years and stuff. And I was even assigned in a high school that I graduated from, you know, like you said, the things you wouldn't believe that would happen. Yeah. I remember as an old teacher in there that was there when I was there, um, when I graduated from high school and I was there and I was doing it, I was doing outreach in the high school as a social worker, three days a week in there, Monday, Wednesday and Friday. So. I walk past him, and this simple looks at me and says, Mills, are you still in high school? And I said, yeah. One more credit, and I'm out of here. I was like, one more credit, and I'm out of here. You know, you're done when you're done. And he was like, dude, dumbass, thinking that stuff, you know. Yeah. He believed I was still a student until one day he saw me in the teacher's lounge getting coffee. I said, what the hell are you doing? I was like, I'm getting a cup of coffee. He said, oh, you're out of here. Now it's criminal for you to even be here. So you're out of here. One of the teachers told him, you know, he's a social worker. And he said, yep. I couldn't believe it because like you, I was going to do something else. I was going to do something else that had a lot more money involved in it. But I knew how to path and I even... It was easy for me to be licensed in Ohio because I could not be grandfathered in. I was one of the first people to take the test when they said, be licensed now. I don't remember the test and passed it in the upper percentile and got my license, you know, first, first thing out, never take tests again and stuff, you know? And the funny thing is when I was asking one of the professors, that's like, they did this test and I said, know I'm in trouble and stuff I said can you get the they had a teaching manual on and stuff I said the clinical stuff drives me crazy so it was like yeah um well I said ask me one of your colleagues for the teacher's manual and they didn't get it you know the teaching manual what they're going to ask you is I like your members 100 questions and I remember that professor told me you need to calm down you've been doing this for two years right two and a half years been a social worker two and a half years and said okay look at it and who was scared and who they wrote it for not social workers who look like you but she said you know make the decisions other social workers would make you know in that line and stuff give yourself a different name in the day she said take a shot of something you drink yeah I said drink a little jack daniel said take a shot of that before the test so I had the number two pencil And said, you know, because we had to drive down to Columbus to take it. Hey, Cleveland. So the night before, me and another colleague drove there and stuff. And we got rooms and stuff. So we had taken the lobby of, I think it's a Holiday Inn, where everybody's watching with the number two pencils. They could do it online now. I'm telling my age. They could do it online and get the results immediately. The number two pencil and stuff. But I took a shot of Jack Daniels because it had like a pint of it in the text. I'm out of shot. I'm out of shot. And literally, when I got there, my colleague was saying, it's like, hey, Ms. So-and-so. And she's like, oh, my God, you're drunk. I said, no, I'm not drunk. I said, did you eat something? I said, no. I was like, take the test, you know. I did. I did the test. Thank you to myself. And I kid you not, I fell asleep like a question 75. Oh, really? And the guy next to me taps me and says, hey, wake up. And I was like, look at your own paper. We get back. I sleep on the ride back and stuff. She knows I'm too drunk to drive. So I'm mad at the professor that told me. I was like the doctor. So I know I failed the test. You told me. I didn't tell you to get drunk. I told you to take a swig of something in your nerves. We can't get the test and stuff. I passed. The person that went with me, they were sober as hell. They were like, wait a minute. You did not pass. You were drunk. Everything that conspired for it to happen and me to be in that line of work always did. I don't know how because it was what I'd chosen. to do, the lesson to learn. So everything conspired and worked out that way. I said, I was licensed, I was LSW, my college thing. But I was, every time I was working with those groups in the field, always, because I wouldn't have to go anywhere. Because somewhere in my mind, that's what I had chosen to do. But we, and that's what I think. I think not only that, also, what we talked about, reincarnation, when do you recall yourself and your mission is finished? I believe people know, and people that have been assassinated, this was what I was supposed to do, that's it. You know, they had to go into history, Lincoln, Martin Luther King, that's it. This stay in the line for me, you know, King knew it in the speech. He's like, I'm not going to be there with you as far as I go. You know, this was, I was supposed to do. Yeah. I'm gone. Yeah. Yeah. And check yourself out. I think that, but when the angels, when I started talking about angels and I started thinking about right now, it came from, I worked this other job. Late at night and stuff. And that was with Child Protective Services. You get the police kicking doors during the crash. Did I lose you? Yeah. As far as, so I was watching this at these prayer cloths, put his hands in there, but a picture went. Yeah, so he said some type of incantation or something that you send him $5, you're going to send his prayer cloth back. They heal you and protect you and all this. And I said, that's a bunch of bull. That's a bunch of bull. And I said, but people have been known to heal other people. And miracles have happened. And I was like, you know. And I said, how would you really react with a miracle? And how would you be in this modern day? Be able to explain it? Or would you hide it? If you had the power to heal somebody, would you hide it? And it was like, with everything that went on, you know, you might create a scene around you. What if ordinary people got this power? And that's why I got the idea to write that book. You know, and I was like, ah, okay, you know, that'd be an interesting thing, you know, and then started getting the ideas and writing down notes and everything. And it was maybe three or four years to get it together, you know, to do that. I always had a vivid imagination growing up so I could do that. I wanted to be ordinary people. I don't think you're far off from that. I really don't. If you think about what you just said, would you give in today's world? Today's world is crazy. Would you tell anybody about a gift like that? And originally in my head, I said, yes, I would. But then you have to ask yourself, well, how does that change your life? Can you heal people while they're shooting at you because they think you're the devil or whatever is going on out there? You know, just because there's so many people out there right now that just they don't believe in anything. And when something unexplained like that comes, it seems like any big news article just throws this country in a turmoil. And I don't know that now would be a good time to announce a gift like that. I would still help people. Think of all those sick people that want to touch you or want you to Yeah. You know, you would have to use the gift. It would be a horror to you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean... And what would it do to an ordinary person? Man, that's a tough question. Because if that person... was a ordinary good person meaning they genuinely cared about their neighbors and stuff like that I think it would be a great gift but you give that same gift to I don't know a guy that's became a ceo of a company and I would have to guess that the odds go down because that that gift gets used for the same good versus self-wealth and self-growth and power and everything else. You ask yourself, and I'm not a political person. I tell everybody I'm politically homeless. But you have to ask yourself, if an ordinary person like me or you was given that gift, I think the odds are higher that we would use it to help somebody than if that gift was given to, say, a president, a congressman, or somebody like that, that power is needed for their positions. I just don't know that everybody would use it for the right purposes. And that's what I was thinking when I saw that minister. I was like, if he really had that gift, you wouldn't want anybody to know. And you charge him $5 for a strip of prayer cloth. Did you say to heal him? I was like, he doesn't have nothing. And I said, if he really did, you probably would go to hospitals and touch people, heal them when they didn't know it, and leave them. I think you'd want to be kind of quiet about it. But I give three different versions of it, three different stories with ordinary people in there. And my thoughts about, just kind of like, and it's a fictional book, that's what I would think. But angels have always been, they've been very interesting to me because, if you believe in the Christian Bible and you Genesis has said, let us make man. So they were there before us. Excuse me. I'm still getting over to COVID, but they were there before us. And, and I said, God made them before us. Cause they're sitting there with him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, according to the Christian Bible. And they have super strength. Great warriors. Messengers. And I said, you know, they're kind of a contradictory in themselves. And he's given them the gift to the side. Do you want to be here with me or not? Free will. Yeah. You know, just like we're given free will, they're given free will. And I thought it was a very interesting contradiction for anything. So I had to give it being like their free will. Then we find out that the watchers in the book of Enoch, one of the proclamators, were taken out. Because when I was going to church, a little boy, the minister would say, David slew Goliath. And I was like, so there was giants then. He said, yeah, giants are everywhere. I said, where did they come from? They were just there. That doesn't make any sense. He took out the book of Enoch. yeah the book of enoch explains there's this group of because there's tears of angels called the watchers they were supposed to come down teach men about the planet you know when the plant and when to do certain things they came down they saw women they took them for themselves they made it with women and they had children and They were half-angelic beings, and the children grew to be giants. Ate the fatter land, ate the men. They also taught men things they shouldn't have taught them. Meteorology. Astrology. You know. I'm sorry. Makeup. And God had disapproved these things. They knew they were going to be in trouble. So they went to Enoch, who was a prophet. When you look at Genesis, you have begat, begat, begat, and Enoch is in there. So They want Enoch to make the case for them to God. So God won't punish him. Enoch is a prophet. He does get the chance to talk with God. And he makes the case for the watchers. And God's not hearing it and says, it's done. Okay. They're going to be, you know, cast into the ground and everything and stuff covered up, you know, until the end of days. So, He said, what about the children? The giants that are running around there, you know, he said, don't worry. Your great, great grandson will take care of that, which is Noah at the flood. So there is the giants. Where are they now? And it explains that because most ministers weren't going to read the books they took out. So he explains that to me, but as a kid, I want to know where the giants go, where are they at? You know, they were there. So, but they wouldn't read any other types of texts. So, and that showed that, that angels had this free will and they could decide to be a God or not, you know? And we know that because people, you know, they're afraid of angels, you know, having free will. We know that they said there was an angel that turned bad and was the leader of the other angels, the morning star, Lucifer, uh yeah so and he took a third of the angels with him so but I thought it was very interesting when I was reading that and research I said you know they could angels can have free will and I even created created a character in the book in the second and and the second one and good intentions and story good intentions that was a fallen angel you know and uh and that character is in there and he was the angel of disease and pestilence so but taking that that's when you know my little suffering angels and I had people in there and but like I said my as far as religion I tell people I'm no religion and most people say so you don't believe in god I said no no that's not I said this is too perfect What do you mean it's too perfect? I said it couldn't happen from evolution. What do you mean it couldn't happen from evolution? I said we're on our bodies of 70% water. We're on a rock of 70% water. We breathe out carbon dioxide. Plants take in carbon dioxide and breathe out oxygen. We take in oxygen. We're an animal that should be not top of the food chain but we're an apex predator and we can kill any animal on this planet we won't get fly faster than any animal swim faster than any animal in our machinery uh we need to be entertained we dream I said so it makes no sense to me and I said everything we're on a rock that has one of the most perfect moons ever yeah Most moons are not like that, and there's only one. And that's it. And it's reflecting from the sun just right to light up the night. It goes around the earth in 28 days. A woman's cycle is 28 days. That's it. Just what just happened to the eclipse. They kept saying over and over with the eclipse. They said, well, how is the moon able to block out the sun? They said, well, because the sun is 400 times larger than the moon. But it's 400 times further away than the moon. The numbers are even and even. I'm saying even and even. 24 days, I mean, 24 hours for us to circle and turn around. 24 hours in a day, 365 days a year and stuff. Evens up and stuff, just one. I said, it's just too perfect. It's too perfect. We're on a rock that's not too cold, not too hot, not too far away from the sun. We need sunlight to create certain minerals in our body. And I said, if this happened by evolution, do you know mathematically the amount of things that had to happen in sequence for us to get here? and I said and if that's true it happened and linear sequence this would happen this would happen this would happen this would happen this would happen this would happen and linear sequence for us to get here that's it now I see a creator I don't know exactly what god is I don't think it's a human being like you said energy I think it's energy it's everywhere somebody had had on the show they had a near-death experience And she said, you know, she asked, where is God? I said, everybody always asks that. Here. They laugh at her. Here, right now. You know, where is God? Yeah. And I would just, Luke is having a smile with the force. It's in you. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. And in everything. It's like, you know. Yeah. And somebody blew my mind and said, what God wants to know, is what it's like to be you right now, right here, doing this. That's it. So the creator wants to learn? Yes, what it is to be you right here, right now. And I believe, too, if you start putting aliens in it, it would mess up certain religions. God created man in his own image. We're thinking a physical image. But we're made of particles. We're thinking of people think constantly of a physical. I was like, that don't make any sense. Somebody told me it didn't make any sense. I said, it don't make any sense there wouldn't be any other intelligent beings on other planets. Yeah. that the creators stopped making one type of ant. On this planet, there's many, many different types of ants. Yeah. One type of fly, one type of mosquito, one type of... That's it. But the creators are smart enough to know that men should be spread out just like ants in different ant tribes, you know, give you miles away different types of ants and stuff. Because we're technically all the same type of human being. We don't get along now. You know, different species of men on the same planet? I don't think so. I don't think so. I mean, absolutely. I believe the government's not telling us and they've already made contact. I would agree with that. I'd agree with that too. And I also agree 100% that it would not go well if contact came for everybody to see, right? Our government is not going to approach it like, hey, how are you doing? We just want to be friends. There's going to be an attack. Why? Why? Because you're afraid. I mean, just because you're afraid doesn't mean the person that is doing something has bad intentions. You know, lots of times you open up a door and there's somebody right there about to grab the door at the same time and it scares you. Doesn't mean that person was doing anything intentionally. And that is not going to go over well when you're not the superior force, you know. I think about all the time in the past when you look at history and the government knows that. Right. Right. Every time in the past when somebody's come over with superior technology to another land, it didn't do well for the indigenous people. It did not. If they land, we know immediately if they came and they jump wormholes to get here light years away, The technology is already superior. Yeah, we know that we could barely struggling to get to the moon. We know that right away. Yeah. And I tell people, I said, I believe they have already contacted the government, the government heads. And they the thing is, they're not ready for it. They're speaking for us. They're not ready for you because the worst thing they would they want. is them to have a discussion with you or I average person yeah because they want to know what did you tell them everything when I watched the biddy and barney hill and I had the niece on my show and something she was telling the story captured the biddy and barney hill story she said you know barney was out on the they had him out but she was walking around and she asked him questions where are you from and then they said showed her star chart they said where are you from on here and she said I don't know and they said what should tell you where we're from you don't know where you are on here and stuff you know so yeah they didn't somebody would be like right here is this our son we're like this third planet rotating around the sun here the milky way galaxy you know they'd be able to tell them and they'd be able to say where they were from but Um, that's where we get Zeta Reticuli because they put her on the hypnosis and she is able to redraw that. And they said, no star system exists. Hey, a, a little astronomer from Cleveland that did a part-time astronomy, a school teacher found that when the technology caught up and say, here it is, match it up there, Zeta Reticuli. So she found it later. And they had no plans of telling anybody anything that happened to him. And she asked him for a book. One of the helpers there, workers, she said, can I have that book? She said, nobody will believe what's on here. They wanted to give it to her, but the taller aliens said no. I think the government is afraid we get information that we shouldn't have. Information they already know. Because you got to throw it off. Because people are empowered. And somebody that's talking to say is that that don't make any sense why they do it and say can you go up and speak to another person of a national uh prime minister of another country not you they expect to speak to your other and they they made it so you can't really talk to them they don't want you talking to them about america this is yeah I said what's uh um the prime minister of japan was just here I said can I call him up and can I call them up no it's a meeting you got go to and stuff but you're not going to be sitting alone with him talking to him you might get to say two things with the media around a media blitz and stuff you're not going to be sitting alone talking with any heads of states because they did that that's power that's power I got to keep you away from talking to anybody in power because you got to go for me to go through this you got to be here you got a senator you got to be president you got to be another prime minister you got to go through We don't want to give away power. And the worst thing is you could talk to them and you got information. Because when they're saying it didn't exist, they always had men in black show up at your door asking questions. What did you see? I'm not sure I got an answer. Aliens don't exist. But there's always some government officials asking you, what did you see? What did you see? What happened? It's like meeting somebody from another planet and talking to them. Did they give you anything? That's the scary thing that you're talking to them alone and you get information. I believe they already know and they got a lot of information. You can't control the amount of people that the government controls without power. You have to get knowledge away from from those people, you know, in order to be able to keep them at bay, you know, um, if, if they didn't believe that you could protect them and, and if aliens were landing here, they're going, we're going to believe that you can't protect us and they're going to lose everything. So, and God for, for being, they were friendly. They talked to you and they gave you something. Yeah. They didn't give the president. Anybody had a state. They gave you something to say, this will help you. You know, you got this disease. Oh, we got this. We'll give you this. It gave you something. That'd be the worst thing in the world. He didn't talk to the president. They talked to senators. They gave you something or they told you something, you know, their egos would never take that. Right. This is like, it's not, um, I believe they're probably they would the fear scientifically is they have cures for her diseases and stuff that that would be horrible. That would be horrible. And they and they shared it with you. And I said, I don't want to put any I don't want to put any bad exertions on medicine and science, but this is what I'll say and people can judge for themselves. There's a president that said that we're going to fight a war. We're going to fight a war on polio, FDR. He did it January 3rd, 1938. polio vaccine was available then in 1955, 17 years later in 1953. 17 years, and he was collecting dimes. He was collecting dimes. And we didn't have big pharma then. Jonas Salk was kind of working with a little ragtag team. He didn't even patent it. So you eradicated literally a disease from North America. You know, that everybody's afraid of. And when they top 10 and stuff. And you just did that and stuff. Now, there was another president that said, you know, we're going to fight a war on cancer. He said that in 1971. That was Nixon. Yeah. 53 years ago. It's that we're not even close to curing cancer. Because, I mean, I tell people, my mom died of cancer. I said it. Look at what happened. I said, you eradicated something. And I said, that was the worst business model ever. Because the money is really in treating the symptoms. Treating symptoms. The money is in there not curing anything. It's treating the symptoms, making it easier for us and stuff like that. And if you do treat something, it's got to be something that you're going to be on it forever. And I said, look at Ozempic right now. They say, oh, yeah, it's going to make you skinnier and stuff, but you got to be on it forever. Might even cure some other things at $1,000 a pop. Yeah. So they looked at that immediately and said, that's a bad model because March of Dimes had to turn into another organization. It had to turn into another organization because it put itself out of business. But that's what we really want medicine to do, put itself out of business, right? But that's not the way. The money is in the medicine to treat things. And constantly treat them. You're going to sell it. Zympic is like, they said touchdown. You got to use it forever. And that's the government keeps secrets, money, power, wealth. 1% of this planet owns the bulk of the wealth. Yeah. Exactly. And that's where the big fight between cryptocurrency and American dollar is, is because they can control the dollar with inflation. You know, inflation doesn't have to be a real thing. But without it, it makes it easier for a lot of other people to build wealth. they saw a lot of stuff in the future. They saw a lot of stuff in the future. You know, Captain, they had flat screens on there. Flat screens in the 60s. Avor had a Bluetooth in their ear. Yeah. They had flip phones. It was the communicators. That's it. When they gave, they gave Kirk something to sign off, guess what they did? They gave him an iPad. He did it like this. Get back to him. Yeah. They saw a lot of things in the future. And I love Star Trek The Next Generation. And one of my favorite episodes was called The 300 Years of Star Trek The Next Generation. There were a group of people that came from the 20th century. They're in a cryogenic state. And one was a millionaire. One was the housewife. One was a musician. And they said, you know, they kept on. The millionaire kept telling, you know, I got to talk to the captain. a very rich man you know I'm a billionaire and he was like you know I i got to talk to the captain and get the home and stuff you know and it's like you know and kirk was busy I mean pakara was busy with some other stuff finally he talked to him and he said you know I need to get back there and stuff and he was like and you know perkara told him he said you know he said just I got a lot of money waiting and he's told him say uh we don't use that anymore he said We've grown out of our embassy. We've eradicated hunger and want. People are no longer obsessed with the accumulation of things. And he told him, he said, it's never been about the possessions. It's been about the power to control your destiny. And he told Picard, and Picard told him, control is illusion. He said, is it? He said, really? I should be dead, but I'm here. even then you know no money he said he paid his way whatever that disease was they cured it yeah he paid his way to be there but there's no more money so it's more like you know once we found out that there's people from everywhere other planets and stuff and just us and stuff we had to get ourselves together we had fought a war we had to get ourselves together and stuff you know they're And catch up. But it was like still with him being back in the 20th century. It's about power of money. Yeah. And yeah, and it will be until that that does go away. I do believe one day people will be reunited again and and conversations will be happening and people know their neighbors again. I believe that because history does tend to repeat itself and we used to be that way. And so I don't think things will always stay negative like they are now where so many people are wrapped up in their phones and everything else. So I do believe at some point, just like they said, we don't use money anymore. People quit going after materialistic things. They started interacting with each other and knowing other people. And I think that's important. So I'd like to see that. I'd like to see that day come. I would too. But like you said about history, those that don't learn from it are condemned to repeat it. Yeah, you are right. You are right. We could be condemned to repeat it if we don't learn from it. That is true. Yeah, that is true. If I started a nuclear weapon, nobody could win. Yeah, you were right. You were absolutely right. And I think, again, we talk about not learning. Well, here we are again going from the 80s, worried about Russia, launching nuclear weapons, you know. We ain't had that problem since the 80s. And now we're right back there again. How did we not learn from that, you know? Well, brother, I appreciate you coming on, man. I had an amazing conversation. You gave me some things I'm going to write about and think about because you made some really valid points that I didn't really think of. I appreciate that. I'm going to give you the opportunity. I'm going to bring you forward and let you see and say where they can follow you, places that they can find your other books and this book, and then just let the world know where they can reach out and find you. Okay. Healers by Ron Mills. You can find Healers, Three Tales of Miracles, Angels, and Lost Souls by Ron Mills. You can find it on Amazon and uh barnes and nobles uh all types of bookstores uh walmart sells it everywhere you go I do have a novella um that's kindle and paperback for healers I do have a novella that's strictly on a candle and it's 99 cents and it's called island alien and it's about an alien abduction and re-abduction so that's very interesting and it's for children and teens and uh adults too novella is 49 pages very easy read um so those are the places you get the book you still find style of substance critical analysis of african-american teenage soap culture that's on amazon or african-american images books Uh, they still sell them. I still think so, but take a look at them. I appreciate it. Appreciate the time. Uh, this is done. Thank you for having me. Hey, I had a great time, man. I love these conversations because you learn so much about other people. So I had a great time. I appreciate you coming on. I'm gonna go and throw you in the green room real quick. If you don't mind holding on for a second, I'll throw the exit video and I'll be right with you. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Man, I hope y'all got a little bit out of this because I got a lot out of it. I'm going to tell you, it is ironic how many things from podcasting that I've spoke to other people that turned out to be things that he was told as well. You look at... The way he talked about the creator, I mean, I completely agree with that philosophy as well. But at the end of the day, like I said, until we die, we will not know. And so I want all y'all to be safe. I appreciate all of y'all listening. Y'all take care. Remember, don't let the day kick your ass. Kick the day's ass.