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Give them a little help. Hit that donate button. Follow them. Learn about all the great things that Operation Encore does for our veterans. Hey, welcome everybody to Spirits and Stories. This is your host, Donald Dunn. Hey, today we're back on my favorite topic, you know, mental health is important to me. Should be important to you. And our next guest has got some amazing stuff to talk about. So let me introduce to you Susanna Rose. After serving in two combat tours in Afghanistan as a Marine Corps officer, Susanna experienced a spiritual awakening that changed her life forever. Since then, she's dedicated her life as an energy priestess and embodied consciousness guide. She serves dozens of people in one-to-one group ceremonies, guiding them in their own spiritual awakening process. Let's introduce Suzanne. So nice to be with you, Donald. Thank you so much for that introduction. Hey, it was wrote by a very smart person, yourself. I got a little help. I usually have other people write some of my bios because I'm like, I don't think I can do this. I imagine other people have that challenge, too. You know, it is it is a challenge to write about yourself. It really is. I mean, I just I just published my first book and it was about my experiences in military, man. It took me forever because I was like, this guy's an asshole. That's exactly how we most, most of us feel about ourselves. We're like, why am I writing about this? And I'm so glad you did because I am certain that your story will speak to so many people. So thank you for, for diving in there and going into that discomfort to do it. Absolutely. Absolutely. So what brought you to the Marine Corps? Wonderful question. It's funny because when I look back, when I look back, I realized it was like between the Peace Corps and the Marine Corps. Opposite ends. Yeah, opposite ends of the spectrum. This is sort of the story of my life. You'll get a theme for it, right? There's a lot of polarity in my existence. I tend to put myself in these places that are places where I am... either like radically don't fit or they're just like the opposite polarity from where parts of me are. And I have these two sides of me that kind of struggle. But my father was in the Marine Corps during Vietnam. He was a lawyer. Had I known before joining the military that being a lawyer in the Marine Corps was a wildly different experience from being your average Marine officer. I might have taken his advice with a grain of salt, but he was so compelled about the training he received and everything that he did. And a lot of the men in my family were all in the military, not necessarily for careers, but at least for periods of time. And so there was an expectation there. and an understanding in my family that you serve in some way, whether it's through church service or, you know, Peace Corps, something, you do something to serve something bigger. Absolutely. I mean, I think that's, you know, it's, it's kind of like a mixed feeling, you know, you, you, you say to yourself, man, we send kids off to war. They aren't even old enough to drink yet. And, uh, On that same token, we also send kids that aren't grown yet to a place that's going to help them grow up in a safer environment than on the streets. And so it is kind of a mixed feeling and it is good to serve. I do think everybody should do something to give back to this country, whether it be your community, like you said, or the whole country as a whole. So you're absolutely right. So how long were you in? I was in, well, first I went to the Naval Academy. So I kind of started that military lifestyle when I was 18. And some of those, some of those other, those, those quote unquote real Marines out there who didn't go to the Academy will, will make fun of me for that. I hear you. I totally get it. And in boat school, you know, and then I joined the Marine Corps and I, I did five years with two tours in, in that time. And it was pretty quick that I realized I was like, oh, maybe I should have joined the Peace Corps. Maybe I'm going to be the naysayer here in some of these circumstances. But I'm also deeply grateful. It was exactly what I was supposed to do and where I was supposed to be. Yeah. And, you know, I have just recently discovered that myself that, you know, your life can be out of balance and you not even know it. You think you're on that path that you're supposed to be. I want to own my own business and and I'm going to do great things. And the whole time you're living your dreams, you still feel like, man, I'm not holy yet. And you put yourself on the path that you were meant to be on that changes. It's gone. You, you now feel at peace and you're like, wow, that's what I was supposed to do. So, yeah. And just like you said, you know, that's what you were supposed to do at that time. And, uh, it's, it's amazing, you know? Um, and like I said, I just recently found that I'm a slow, you know, I'm a typical guy. I'm a slow, slow learner. I don't believe it. Not for a second. Yeah. These are, I mean, this is part of probably what we'll talk about today is purpose, right? Is really stepping into your purpose. And every one of these decisions does lead to really stepping into who you know you are inside. And every one of these opportunities is a chance to also like peel away layers and also learn like, What you don't want to do, like start to understand what your no is and be like, oh, yeah, actually, that isn't for me for a lifetime. But now that I know what I don't want to do, I can start to narrow it down to what I do and what I really, really resonate with. Mm hmm. Yeah. So, um, you did five years as an officer and then you got out. What did you do when you, you got out besides root for Navy and the army? Yeah. Beat army, go Navy. Yes, that, that did happen. That has happened. I do have some, a little bit of post trauma from Navy football games because they forced us to go to them and then stand in the cold for hours. And I was like, what am I doing here on a Saturday? Watching football, like why? But, you know, being, being in the Marine Corps and I'll, and I'll, get to, you know, what I did when I got out and why, but going to war twice. And of course, having this part of me that wanted to join the peace Corps. And actually there was also a little part of me that thought, Oh, if I joined the Marine Corps, I had this image that I would do like humanitarian aid that I would like be helping people. That was kind of my vision, which I mean, it's so, when I look back on it, I'm like, Susanna, you've joined like the finest killing force in the world. What were you thinking? But yeah, At the same time, it taught me a level of discipline and fortitude and grit and all of that. But going to war and being physically there and seeing it and being in the energy of it radically shifted who I am. And first caused me to go through a process of disillusionment of like, how could there be a God? Like, how could there be anything bigger that allows this kind of horror to happen? And, um, and then moving through the different stages of like, I don't believe in anything. I'm nihilistic. Like I'm atheist. There can't be anything bigger and slowly, but surely deconstructing a lot of the belief systems that I grew up with. I grew up Methodist. Um, and my, my father's whole lineage were Methodist teachers and preachers and bishops. And, um, and I was like, all that's bullshit. That is crap. And then after, and then I decided to get out because I realized that if I stayed in this state and, and I did have some, I had some jobs in the Marine Corps that really did give me meaning. I was a victim advocate for survivors of sexual assault, and that gave me an immense amount of ability to serve and to be a warm space for people to confide in. But it was clear to me early on that I was only going to do my contract and then leave. And upon leaving, I definitely left with post trauma, not diagnosed. A lot of us, you know, leave without getting diagnosed with anything. And, and also because I didn't realize it, right. Didn't fully understand. And then I joined the corporate world in search of my purpose. And I had this amazing opportunity from the leadership at Facebook, to join and become, you know, like another worker in the tech industry. And I went through even deeper layers of meaning, meaninglessness and disillusionment. But all of that brought me ultimately to plant medicine, which was very powerful for me. Yeah, absolutely. Look, I am a a big believer. Um, I've had just too many people that have experienced it, that have talked about how good it's helped to think that there's nothing there. Um, I think there's a purpose in, in a way, um, like you called it, it's, it's medicine. So, you know, there's a difference between recreation and, and medicine. Um, And a lot of people think of psilocybin and mushrooms as, oh, you're just getting high and everything else. And there is way more to that. I think that there is... It's kind of like the magic key, man, because the military, as you know, just kind of puts this layer over your brain and reweaves all these fibers together and make you think a certain way. And it's kind of like the key to allowing you to realize that's not the all and be all. There's other stuff out there. I'm like giving you snaps over here because I couldn't like, what a beautiful description. I'm glad this is recorded because I want to like take that little nugget. That's so wise that, and what's cool is like, that's what mushrooms, that's what plant medicine does, but kind of the opposite way. Right. So where the military and our society and our parents and our religious systems create this mesh network of beliefs that kind of, you know, some people will call it brainwashing. I'm like, you can believe whatever you want to believe. You'll go into the places where you'll allow yourself to be brainwashed by whoever. Yeah, you were right. Yeah, right. Like you'll choose it. But then to un-brainwash yourself and to just untangle yourself from the idea that all of those beliefs are the end-all be-all. Like this is the only way or these are the only beliefs because they're not necessarily wrong. They just are one way and one belief system. And what medicine like this and what a lot of, I believe, is like any kind of altered state of consciousness, breath work, meditation. There's all these different ways of getting out of the ordinary mode, the default mode network of the brain. And what it does is it reminds you that there is more. There is more. Yeah. I mean, you think about it. If we said, look, we have now explored 50 miles of the Pacific Ocean and we've seen everything there is to see, there's nothing left to see. That's kind of the way the brain is. I mean, we know so little about the brain. And there's people out there that can do amazing things that all of us have the ability to do. Just some people can reach it. Remote viewing is one of those types of things. And so I think partly, too, when you're taking psilocybin, it allows you to open some of those doors and you see things. that you probably would have never thought of yourself. And I'm not saying they're real and they're like right in front of you and you're psychic and all that stuff. I'm just saying it's allowing you to explore parts of your brain that can reach things that we don't necessarily know a lot about. That is precisely what it's doing. And there is, you know, for those who are listening and may not know some of the neurobiology of it, Neurologically, when you're sitting with psilocybin or LSD or really any plant medicine, it's usually quieting the default mode network of the brain. And for those who don't know what the default mode network is, I often give an analogy, which is you get in the car, you use one hand, probably your left hand to open the door. You sit in the seat, you pull the seatbelt across that you put your hands on the wheel. You do all of this movement with your body. That's muscle memory. You know how to do it. You've done it a hundred thousand times, right? So you don't even have to think about it. And that's because it's a pattern that's stored in these parts of your brain. That is the default part of your brain. That's just telling you how to take the same highway to school, to work every day, right? And then when you engage with plant medicine or you, or some other altered states of state of consciousness, like meditation, breath work, sound healing, all sorts of different vibrational frequencies, you quiet that part of the brain. That's the pattern based part of the brain, which keeps us safe. It's a safety mechanism, right? And it also keeps things a little easier. So you don't have to remember and think about everything like it's new. Then you start to see everything almost like a child, right? From this perspective of newness. And it highlights these parts of the brain. It also quiets down the amygdala, which for a lot of us veterans, the amygdala is very active because we're in a state of hypervigilance and the cortisol is pumping through the brain. So it quiets all of that down, quiets the nervous system down, and then causes these creative centers of the brain and the prefrontal cortex to activate more. which gives you this access to parts of your mind and also connections like neural pathways form as a result of that experience. So then you have new neural pathways where synapses can talk to each other from parts of the brains that are never, ever talking to each other before. And that's wild. It is. And so psilocybin also will increase blood flow to your brain, right? So imagine all the things that we do that will decrease the amount of blood flow we have, whether it be cigarettes, whatever types of- Alcohol. Alcohol, things in our food, right? Imagine if we didn't do any of that stuff and then you had psilocybin, how much more would happen from just more blood flow I mean that's the root of what's happening your brain needs blood the more blood the the better more life yeah blood is life right it's the circulation of I mean in the eastern way they think of it like chi right there's like energy that's flowing through your body all the time And blood carries it. Blood carries oxygen. Blood carries all these nutrients to different parts of your body. You know that when a muscle doesn't get blood, all of us who have been trained in the military in CPR training, right? Like if you put a tourniquet on, right, that part of the body is not going to get blood and it will die. And so the more blood flow, the more life you have into a place. And I think I think that's that's spot on. It's it really is. It comes down to that. Yeah. You know, the other thing I find fascinating and I I don't know what causes this, but there's a lot of people and all the people I'm only going to speak from veterans because that's the only people I've really talked to about this. But a lot of them come back from these journeys and say, since I came back, I haven't had another drink. And they may not have even went to that journey to stop drinking. They went for another reason and just they no longer have the urge. They have a different priority in their life and a different look. And it's it's crazy how so many people have said that to think that, OK, well, that's definitely not you can't say that's not a side effect. That's definitely a side effect, you know. There's dozens. I mean, you can literally look this up on Reddit, on Facebook threads, like anywhere there's a message board, just type in psilocybin, either microdosing or macrodosing and alcohol or alcoholism. And there's also a whole bunch of scientific research on it as well these days. But I love the anecdotes from real people because those to me are the ones that really speak This is just like some guy in Utah. And he's like, I literally cured my alcoholism by working with psilocybin through macro dosing and micro dosing. And I believe that it does have a lot to do with the recalibration of those neural pathways and the reset of that, which also, as we mentioned, it quiets the amygdala. Well, alcohol, substance like alcohol and nicotine, which I'm not, by the way, like against either of those. I just believe in everything in moderation because I do enjoy a really good margarita every now and then. Absolutely. I mean, I got shelves full of bourbon, so I can relate. So good. I mean, yeah, this is spirits and stories, right? So ultimately- I believe that there is benefit to these, but what alcohol and nicotine do is they ground, they tend to be grounding medicines. And actually tobacco is a plant medicine, just like for those out there, you know, maybe not the vaping kind, but when you get really high quality tobacco, that is, it's called grandfather tobacco for a reason. And alcohol, um, will cause the body to feel more grounded and more in the body, which is why a lot of us start to feel more emotional when we're drinking. But ultimately, psilocybin causes the body to feel a natural sense of grounding, a natural sense of like, I'm here, I'm in my body, and I don't need another substance or an outside thing anymore. to get me that feeling. And a lot of that has to do, I mean, I I'm an energy worker, as you mentioned in my bio. So a lot of that has to do with like blocks that are happening in our root, like in our sense of security and our sense of safety. And a lot of us, you know, those begin in childhood, they begin in traumatic environments that we grow up in. And then we no longer have that sense of safety and basically the root to earth, right? To your, like I'm planted here. And I'm planted in this body and psilocybin can help with that in a really big way. And ultimately over time, I found this for myself too, because I, I was a solid drinker. I, my, you know, I had a lot of red wine, a lot of margaritas, a lot of gin and tonics. And I was a solid drinker when I was in the military. And a lot of the reason for that was because I was not fully grounded. Yeah. To this planet, to this life, to this body, because I was hypervigilant and I was feeling afraid. And psilocybin will, and also LSD, some of the others as well, will absolutely help to heal that. yeah and that's that's another thing too that that everybody says you know um that's another thing everybody that didn't do it that has observed the people that have done it say they're more in the moment I mean those exact words are used over and over and and so yeah I i completely understand um now I think there's also some some misnomers out there too right so Let's talk real quick about what is the benefits and when is it, what is right and wrong for, should you microdose or should you macrodose? What is the real deciding factor on which way somebody should go? Wonderful. Just whole thought process because so many people, we just don't have enough information out there, right? And a lot of that has to do with the war on drugs and this societal belief that in my, in my world, like medicine is medicine or drugs and drugs are medicine. We've got it backwards folks. Like the opiates are not medicine. So, but the answer to your question is I'll start with just like find the a facilitator or find someone who has some information about this. It could be this podcast, right? Listen to podcasts of people who have not just like consumed the medicine, but also have done dozens or hundreds of ceremonies where people are coming to them or, or, or coming to their retreats or their events, find someone that you can safely listen to, or at least connect with. And then if you want to do some of these things on your own, while you're also researching in that way, I would recommend that you start with just set setting and dosage. Okay. And these are very simple concepts. The first is mindset. So if you are going to engage with any medicine, I speak a lot about psilocybin because that's the primary medicine that I work with and what our community works with in our organization. Mindset. set an intention for your practice, whether it's a macro dose or micro dose. The setting is then really important. What is my intention? Okay, my intention is to feel a sense of joy and peace and balance. Yeah, that's my intention. Well, maybe I don't take a gram of psilocybin at a Metallica concert if I want to experience Joy, balance, and peace. That's not to say that you can't experience those emotions in a Metallica concert. They would be awesome. However, you may go into a slightly different place, especially if you have hundreds or thousands of people around you. So you want to be really mindful of what setting you're in for the intention that you're setting. And then related to that is the dosage. And so if you are going to engage with it in a more recreational way, reduce your dosage. It should be a micro dose. It should be very, very small amounts. And then if you want to increase that dosage, the medicine really likes to be worked with in nature, in quieter environments. Maybe you can listen to some really nice music, but in general, it doesn't want to be around a whole bunch of people because then you're going to be empathetic to their experience and sometimes take on their energy. Um, if depending upon you know your level of experience with boundaries so those are the three things to start with and while you're also doing research with a facilitator you trust or someone you know who has worked with these medicines and if you're debating whether to microdose or macrodose um this is a good question I mean I can give some generalities on that, right? But it really is individual. Macro dosing, I would recommend your first time with someone who has either experience with the medicine, like a lot of experience in their own practice, or a facilitator and go into a ceremonial space where you are being held and taken care of fully. Because if you're engaging with high amounts of it, You are going into a fully altered state and you, and the likelihood is you've never been to that state before. So it's a little bit like climbing a mountain, you know, climbing a big mountain with no guide. Like, don't do that. Don't do that. Absolutely. Find the guide. And then the second thing I'll say about microdosing is microdosing can be a little more accessible to more people. But just know that it's going to be more of a longer term, consistent practice that will impact you kind of the way that vitamins impact you, right? You'll feel it. You'll feel the change, but it's going to be subtle. So it's not going to be like this big, huge revelation that's going to change your life in one day. It is going to be an integrative process that's step by step by step. And as long as you have the grace and the patience for that process, you will see huge results. And I'd also recommend a guide for that, too. yeah absolutely and and I think that's another part so like you you keep saying um rituals and and ceremonial you know yeah this this process has a physical process to it as well not just I took my two pills in the morning off to work I go you know like what the va gives you and uh yes so I think you've got to understand and get used to the medicine has to be done in a certain way and in a certain like you said uh place yeah mindset um you know probably after getting into an argument with somebody and and being ready to to punch somebody's probably not a good time um And I think, you know, a lot of the people I've talked to, that's kind of how they take it to. They don't do it every week. You know, it's a few times a year. And it's a time that they set aside away from work, away from family problems, away from everything. And they go and get into themselves and learn a little bit about themselves. I also find it really fascinating that. The more that we know about it, the more that we start understanding that some of our things that we believe might have came from people taking psilocybin. You go back into the Egyptian age and the pyramid age, and there was a lot of things that they said that a lot of people that take it now say, I mean. Donald, you and I are like, we're definitely soul family. I'm glad we found each other. I'm like, we're talking about Egypt? Yes. The answer is yes. And even further back, I mean, for those of you who have seen Fantastic Fungi, you know, there's the stoned ape theory, which says that during a period of time, our early ancestors were following the bison, following the herds of animals across the you know, the savannas and the plains. And they would eat the mushrooms in the dung piles. And the mushrooms that grow out of the dung piles are psilocybin mushrooms. So they have psilocin in them and they have psilocybin. So you are going to have that psychoactive experience. And of course, this is an early human. So it's just opening their mind in these massive ways. And we had a period of time in our human history where there was a massive... expansion of consciousness and there's really no explanation for why and it's where fire started to come in where like even wheels started there was just like incredible inventions so I believe like you that these medicines have been with us for a very long time I write about it in my thesis work and and that was one of my favorite parts of the thesis work was was learning how far back we have tracked our use and our partnership with these medicines, especially mushrooms. And in Greek times, they would bring together all of the great thinkers. I mean, we're talking Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, all of the great philosophers from around the country and they'd invite them to these Ellusinian mysteries. And they would happen once a year, I believe. And then they'd drink the Kikion drink. And that was essentially filled with a multitude of psychoactive substances, including LSA. And LSA is an early precedent or early sort of ancestor, I suppose, to LSD. which is now synthesized, right? But it was essentially a fungi that would grow on wheat. And they discovered that in very small doses, it would be psychoactive. Now in very large doses, like growing on old bread, for example, you would die. So you had to dose it real, real carefully. But we discovered that a lot of these ideas, I mean, I'm a believer that democracy is, came from this, right? Like that's where democracy came from was some of these salons, these big summits that they would have and invite the philosophers, and then they'd all get super high. And they do it in a ceremonial fashion, in a ritualistic fashion. Of course, they'd all be together and in an intentional setting, but it was all to really connect and expand their consciousness. And what's cool is we're living in a time, I believe, that's like a renaissance, very similar to that. Yeah. I mean, I can speak from a time when I was playing semi-pro poker, right? So a lot of Texas hold them. And I could always tell when I was going against somebody that smoked a lot of weed because they don't miss anything. They pick up on habits and everything. There is no other drug out there that I would play against that I had those same issues with. Somebody that was drinking, somebody that was on Recreational drugs, it didn't matter, right? They missed a lot of that stuff. But for some reason, I could always tell, man, because they were so focused. And I've talked to a lot of people. I don't personally do cannabis, but I've talked to a lot of people that they have some amazing ideas. Cannabis is a very powerful plant medicine. It's not as much of mine. And I do find that mushrooms and cannabis, depending upon how you work with them, can fight each other in your system. But cannabis itself, I love knowing this because I have felt that level of hypersensitivity, that level of hyper-focus on the occasions that I have worked with cannabis. And it is, it's no joke. I can see and feel and hear and smell and taste everything. It is so, it expands my sensual experience of the world in such an intense way, sometimes too much, right? Sometimes to the point where it's like, oh man, like this is information overload. But I could see how it would actually be really beneficial in like a gambling game. I still remember a guy's screen name. His name was You Buy My Weed. And I'm going to tell you, he was good. He was really, really good. this guy I'm not gonna play against him anymore I'm telling you he was really really good whenever he'd pop up in a tournament on a table I'm like oh yeah run away from that guy he's way too tuned in cannabis yeah I believe that plant medicines expand us in so many ways and also As I get deeper into this world, I also think that just like with everything, everything in moderation and everything is, it's all designed to bring me closer to myself. It's not designed to bring me into the world of the mushroom. It's not designed to take me into cannabis. And that's one of the challenges that we see is we live in such an addictive culture because we've encouraged addiction in all the ways, right? Like consumption, like consumption in all capacities. So we're just like, it's ridiculous. Like I was just at a conference, a psychedelics and cannabis conference. And they were like, you don't go into a liquor store and be like, I want the highest proof alcohol there is, you know, I want that. But in cannabis stores, they pack it full of THC and they see how much they can get in the smallest container. And you're like, that doesn't make any sense. Not about more. It's not about more. It's about quality and it's about the experience and it's about coming back to yourself. And for psilocybin, and other plant medicines like LSD and San Pedro and ayahuasca, it is absolutely not more is better. That is not the case. It's about quality and about every single time you engage, it's about integrating the learnings and giving yourself enough time and space to actually integrate that level of sensitivity that you've opened yourself up to. And this is where I see people go a little off, right? Is when they get into it, we can get into things and then we can have an addictive tendency. Psilocybin is not addictive. No plant medicine in those categories, no psychoactive plant medicine. Cannabis has some versions of it, but really aren't addictive. However, we can get addicted to the experience of it. Right. And so it is really important that you give yourself space. If you're going to do, especially if you're going to do macro experiences, I always say, give yourself three months of time after a macro experience before you sit with another, another macro, right? Like if you're doing over a gram of psilocybin, wait, wait a month or a couple months before you do it again. And then with micro do a protocol, do a regimen. That's three months long. Ours is 12 weeks. So about three months or yeah, I think that's three months. I can't count. And, and then you, and then once you finish that, give yourself enough time, give yourself another three months off. And that gives you the opportunity to really integrate all of the learnings and the expansion and the shift in consciousness that you've activated. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And that's that's just it. You know, anytime you're dealing with mental health, you have to work through the root problems. And so if you're not taking these breaks, like you said, and taking what you've learned and figuring out what it means to you and what it is that you're supposed to to work on, um, then it just becomes an addiction. You're not, you're not treating it anymore. It's now recreational. And, and that is, that is the huge difference right there. So I absolutely agree. Well, why don't you tell everybody, how can they, they learn more about you, any websites, your ads, I'm gonna bring you forward and give you that opportunity to just kind of find out where other people can learn this great stuff that I'm learning. Thank you. Yeah. Well, I'm a co-founder with two of my amazing sisters and also co-facilitators, Jenna Strike and Ashley Gates. And we co-founded Metamorphosis Ventures and House of Embodied Metamorphosis together. House of Embodied Metamorphosis is a 508 C1A that is a faith-based organization and allows us to serve sacred sacrament to our members. So you can become a member of the organization contribute to have sacred sacrament kits so you can microdose with us. We do facilitated microdosing programs. And we also do we host retreats around the country and also in Costa Rica. So we love working with leaders. We love working with veterans and have some incredible veterans that are that are alumni of our program and are part of our community. And you can find us at www.metamorphosis.ventures. And on Instagram, we're at embodied metamorphosis. And we also post quite a bit. I personally post a lot on LinkedIn because we, we really work with a lot of people who have been in the corporate industry or have been leaders in the military. So you can find me Susanna Rose Stokes on LinkedIn, and I would love for you to follow me there. All right. Absolutely. And I'll make sure that we get all of the links and everything in the description to make it real easy for everybody to find you guys. Because I do think we've got to get more word out. I know 2024, MDA is going to be legalized. It probably won't be in the hands of the people that could benefit the most. I don't see the VA handing it out. Well, the VA is just now, they just approved some clinical trials with MDMA, which is great news. And I was actually on a call with Rick Doblin, who's the head of MAPS. And he asked me, he's like, how do I get MDMA into the military? And I said to him, I said, you have to do it through the VA. I was like, you're not going to be able to get straight into the military. You're going to have to go through the VA. There are a lot more creative with some of their, their systems. So it is possible. And I do believe this year or next year, we'll see MDMA at least move down from schedule one and have more medical use, which will be an exciting, it'll be a gateway for something new. Yeah, absolutely. I agree. Well, I appreciate you coming on. I mean, you spoke a lot of great knowledge that we just got to get people opening up their minds and understanding that just because it has a warning label and ingredients bottle and everything else doesn't mean that the people behind it are really there to help you. And that's a hard myth to overcome, but it's coming. It's happening. So I appreciate you. If you don't mind hanging on, I will throw the exit video out and I'll be with you in a second. guys like I said man you always have to understand and and keep your minds open um you never know when you close your mind that somebody may have something to say that is going to change your life and this episode could have just been exactly what you needed I hope everybody out there enjoys the show and is learning from the guests that come on from all walks of life. It is important that we get to that point where we can have conversations and we can agree to disagree or we can actually learn something new and change our life. So with that, I hope all of y'all know, don't let the day kick your ass. Kick the day's ass.
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