What makes trail running one of the most demanding and rewarding sports out there? Get ready for an adrenaline-packed episode as we uncover the highs and lows of some of the most challenging trail running events of the season. We start with a deep dive into the Kaiserkrone Skyrace in Austria, where athletes faced a brutal 25-kilometer course with over 9,000 feet of climbing. You'll hear about the remarkable performances of Anastasia Rubstova and Manu Morales, plus my own unforgettable experience in the Cirque Series in Brighton, Utah, battling a 6.7-mile run with 3,100 feet of vertical gain. The electric atmosphere and unexpected technical challenges made it a race to remember for all participants.
Next up, we celebrate the extraordinary athletes who took on the Leadville Trail Marathon and Heavy Half Marathon in Colorado. From Mary Denholm's impressive sub-four-hour marathon win to Jacob Scraba's fierce victory in the men's marathon, these races were nothing short of spectacular. We also shine a spotlight on incredible performances by Alicia McDonald, Dominique Stelzio, and Chrissy Lofgren, among others. Tune in for an exciting recap and discover why these events are some of the most anticipated in the trail running community. Plus, don’t forget to check out our episodes featuring in-depth stories from trail stars Jacob Scraba and Lacey Burgess.
What makes trail running one of the most demanding and rewarding sports out there? Get ready for an adrenaline-packed episode as we uncover the highs and lows of some of the most challenging trail running events of the season. We start with a deep dive into the Kaiserkrone Skyrace in Austria, where athletes faced a brutal 25-kilometer course with over 9,000 feet of climbing. You'll hear about the remarkable performances of Anastasia Rubstova and Manu Morales, plus my own unforgettable experience in the Cirque Series in Brighton, Utah, battling a 6.7-mile run with 3,100 feet of vertical gain. The electric atmosphere and unexpected technical challenges made it a race to remember for all participants.
Next up, we celebrate the extraordinary athletes who took on the Leadville Trail Marathon and Heavy Half Marathon in Colorado. From Mary Denholm's impressive sub-four-hour marathon win to Jacob Scraba's fierce victory in the men's marathon, these races were nothing short of spectacular. We also shine a spotlight on incredible performances by Alicia McDonald, Dominique Stelzio, and Chrissy Lofgren, among others. Tune in for an exciting recap and discover why these events are some of the most anticipated in the trail running community. Plus, don’t forget to check out our episodes featuring in-depth stories from trail stars Jacob Scraba and Lacey Burgess.
Speaker 1:
What's up, guys? Welcome back to the Steep Stuff Podcast. I'm your host, james Lauriello, and today we've got another banger of an episode for you guys, episode six of the sub stuff. Holy God, what a weekend. And trail running. And we're just getting started, guys.
Speaker 1:
This past week, saturday June 29 alone, we had the Kaiser Karn Sky Race, we had the Leadville Marathon, the Leadville Heavy Half, as well as Cirque Series, brighton Absolutely bananas race series going on. Yeah, this weekend was absolutely bananas for this, for our sport. Yeah, guys, I'm going to get into it. Now. We're going to kick this off with the Carsey Kron Sky Race taking place this past Saturday, 6-29-2024. This race was about 25 kilometers, which was about 15 miles, with about 2,770 meters or about 9,087 feet of climbing, taking place in pause, schäfau am Wildenkaiser, austria. Yeah, I think I got that right. Absolutely beautiful area in the Austrian Alps. You couldn't ask for much more. What a crazy and just incredible place to get racing. Just like I said, absolutely bananas. We had some fan favorites turn out. We had, like the likes of Manu Morales and Roy Uedo on the men's side, as well as Holly Page, iris Pressey and Anastasia Rubstova show up on the women's side. It was an absolute barn burner of a race. We'll start with the women. In first place was Anastasia Rubstova in four hours four minutes and 20 seconds. In second place was Holly Page in four hours 17 minutes and one second. In third place was Naria Ojean in four hours minutes in one second. In third place and it was nara naria uh or ojean in four hours 24 minutes 38 seconds. Sorry, naria, I absolutely butchered your name. Um. In fourth place was fan favorite iris pressy on the scott team of four hours 28 minutes and 47 seconds. And in fifth place was terris arvik in four hours 36 minutes and 10 seconds. Absolutely tight women's race. I'd say Anastasia had pretty solid control, finishing about looks like about 13 minutes ahead of Holly. So just absolute, absolutely tight race there.
Speaker 1:
In the men's field, mr Manu Morales returns. It's been a little while. Um. Last time his name popped up was in Zagama Uh, man who came out with the dub in three hours 29 minutes 43 seconds. A newly signed, new balance athlete man who is arguably one of the best downhillers in the world. Pretty exciting to see him come out with a dub and return to form a post Zagama. In second place was Martin uh and Matton in three hours 31 minutes, and one second and third place was Rui uh. Rui um Ueda in three hours 32 minutes 47 seconds. The Japanese athlete was an absolute fan favorite as well. Um, and fourth place was Giancarlo Giano in three hours 37 minutes 39 seconds. And in fourth and fifth place was Andres Steindl in three hours 37 minutes 52 seconds. Shout out to all the amazing athletes that competed at this race.
Speaker 1:
This was like the eighth edition of the Skyrunner World Series this year already. So getting pretty, getting pretty. You know it feels like we got to race every weekend. In fact we do. Last time around we had two races in a weekend. So pretty wild, all right. Moving on, guys.
Speaker 1:
I raced this weekend. Um, I went out to Alta U or, excuse me, brighton, utah state and park city. Um showed up for the Cirque series, brighton, the first edition of the Cirque series this year. Um, it's pretty exciting. I mean, I'm not gonna lie Like these are some wild races. I'm going to give a little bit of a my race recap um kind of what went down there and just how fun it was. Um, you know, for starters, this was the first edition this year of the Cirque series.
Speaker 1:
The Cirque series is usually like six or seven races taking place um, throughout the mountain West. Usually, like I said, usually like three or four, two or three in Utah, with a few as well that are in. Like I said, we've got one in Alaska, one in usually one in Switzerland, kind of all over the place. The race itself in Brighton, utah, was 6.7 miles with 3,100 feet of vertical. Jesus fucking Christ, it was a technical course. Um, excuse me for sorry for the sorry for the language there. Um, absolutely, and I train on really technical terrain and I gotta be honest with you, I was not anticipating the terrain to be that technical. Yeah, just absolutely bananas Technical race.
Speaker 1:
It was like a big party as well. I had a big, I had a great time. Um, initially, from the time the race started, like, like, the energy at the start line was just absolutely bananas and just super crazy. Um, you're talking about like seven, six or 700 people, between five and 700 people, I think, just standing at the start line. It's a giant party. You've got family and friends surrounding the start. Um, just so much energy. I think that was kind of my problem. Uh, I just got caught up in a lot of the energy at the start line.
Speaker 1:
Um, I think you need to probably take it up, be a little calmer, a little more relaxed, take it a little chiller. Um, just because it's just like, like I said, it's like a giant party from start to finish. Um, yeah, so the race itself pretty technical, like I said, absolutely wild technical, um, and when I say technical I mean like there is an absolute like half mile. It looks like a lot shorter, but it's about a half mile. Boulder field scramble um to the top of Mount Millicent from the service road, and that was pretty techie, I'm not going to lie. Not too bad, cause you're going up, but once you drop off the back of that, it is so like you really have to make sure you're keeping your footing. You need to find a solid rhythm and you have to go, you have to commit. Um, if you weren't going to commit to this downhill, you were going to, you were going to get past and that that was a lot of the issue that I ran into. It was it was very technical.
Speaker 1:
Um, the race itself kind of goes around and circumnavigates this, like Wolverine Cirque is what it's called, so you can kind of look down and see these beautiful Alpine lakes as well, as you're surrounded by some of the other beautiful ski resorts. You could see Alta in the distance. You're not too far from Park City and it's just amazing. And the first climb is up Mount Mellicent. Like I said, super crazy. We can get into some of the times and some of the leaders.
Speaker 1:
The women's race Laurel Moyer took first place from Lock Haven, pennsylvania, and second place was fan favorite Giselle Slotboom from Salt Lake, um. And then third place was Kayla Ricks from Moab, utah, um. On the men's side of the field Um, and this is this was amazing to kind of get to meet and race against. Oh, I only raced him in like the first mile. After that I didn't really see him.
Speaker 1:
Um was Mr Patrick Kip and Yago, two time uphill world champion, um. Second place was Mount marathon champ, as well as kind of a Cirque series staple. I think he goes to all these races. Last year he was first on the pro podium, uh, mr David Norris, a member of the on team, um. And then third place was Phil Amon Curiego, who's another um, you know, absolute killer and just another absolute fan favorite guy. Super nice, um, it was really fun getting to talk to Patrick and Phil Amon at the start line and just kind of chatting with them, um, you know, kind of seeing what they had planned for their, um, you know kind of their season this year. Patrick right now I believe I might be wrong it's either him or he's either first or second, uh, in the golden trail road still world series rankings Um, so it was just amazing to kind of feel that fitness and feel, um, you know, kind of feel what that was like to raise someone at that high of a level.
Speaker 1:
Like I said, I didn't really raise my hung out with him for a little bit and then he was gone. Um, so, yeah, just amazing, Absolutely incredible, how my race went. Uh, my race fucking sucked. I incredible how my race went Uh, my race fucking sucked. I'm not going to lie, I had an absolute blast out there. But, like guys, I made so many mistakes. Um, lots of learning experiences for the next one. Like I said, I'm going to be racing a bunch of these this year. So it was really fun to kind of uh, kind of plug and play, see what worked, see what didn't work, and just make a bunch of mistakes, break a bunch of eggs.
Speaker 1:
Uh, I'm not going to gonna lie, I was very fit for this race. I was fitter than um than I I'm, you know, I personally we all feel like we're as fit as we've ever been, uh, but no, definitely fit going into this. So fitness was not a problem, just made a lot of like stupid technical errors. Um made an electrolyte into like a bad electrolyte decision. The morning of the race I think I took too many electrolytes, um, so I was dealing with some nausea which sucked, sucked from start to finish, um. So you know, maybe you had, like you know, some hyper neutrino, even if I took too much salt. Uh, not happy with that really dumb decision.
Speaker 1:
Um also made some technical shoes, like decisions that I probably shouldn't have made. Um raced with a shoe that I was comfortable training with and just had a hard time locking that shoe down. The entire race had to like stop and retie my shoes once or twice, which I've never had to do in a race, um, and I think one of the other big mistakes that I made was just kind of going out way too fast and getting caught up in that energy Um. For me it was just really exciting to kind of be on a start line with just so many of my peers and just so many absolute killers and it, um, you know you wanted to see if you could belong. You wanted to see if you could, you know, maybe, maybe you know, catch someone, um, in one of these races.
Speaker 1:
Like I said, you know, there was opportunities there, like a lot of these, like Patrick and Philomon race, a lot of these, um, you know, golden trail series, races which may or may not be as technical I don't think they were as technical as as this race so I thought there would maybe be opportunities to kind of exploit moves, maybe on the scramble, maybe areas like that. Uh, yeah, not the case. I, I yeah, totally one out, did not run my own race, blew up in the first mile and just held on for dear life, um, didn't have that killer feeling like I normally do where you want to pass. Uh, it was one of those things where it was just like, oh, you know, this is what we're doing, this is what we're in and this is kind of the way the day's going to go. So, um, you know, like I said, I, in my Instagram post, did about a year's worth of thinking while I was on this course, just absolutely like redlining and just battling for uh, you know, for uh, just to get off the fucking course.
Speaker 1:
It was tough, it was a rough day out. So, overall, really excited to kind of take these changes Cause, like I said, I don't think fitness was a problem, like I was very strong in all the climbs and felt great. There was just a little like a lot of little things I had to like, change and make some, make some changes towards. So, looking forward to making these adjustments and coming out to Alta hopefully for a better result, a much different result, and I'm very excited for that. And if we can't get it right there, I think we can get it right at grand Targi, one of these races I think I'm going to figure out, so we'll see.
Speaker 1:
Um, another thing that I thought and I could give some advice to other people or other people that are aspiring to do well at some of these races you know, it doesn't even have to be Stark, series could be any race is, um, you know, scout the course. Um, I didn't do that. This is one of the first times I've ever been on a course and didn't scout it before. Just kind of, uh, you know, kind of just went out blind and the only reason I would say, scout the course ahead of time is you want to know where you can make moves or maybe kind of exploit, you know, maybe exploit your strengths, uh, or take advantage of your strengths and maybe you know, kind of like cover some weaknesses in different spots of the race. Um, you know, despite the fact that this is a mountain classic race, that only, like, most of these are only six to eight miles, but like, at the same time, even though it's such a short race and things are happening so fast, you have opportunities to make moves. There are opportunities to pass people and make moves and kind of do your thing. And if you're kind of just taken out of it and not able to do that, then that's you know, that's that's on you, um, and I think being able to scout the course and having idea of what the course is going to look like, uh, really you know, you know what to expect on the climb, you know what to expect on the descent, um, and I just think that that you know that will help you a lot. And I found, like, like I've talked to a few of my competitors after the race and, um, some of the people that, like, had caught me and passed me. You know we had spoken and, like they're familiar with the course, they knew where to make those moves, they knew where and what, where and what to do. So, like I said, expecting and hoping for uh, I'm not even hoping, definitely expecting a different result for Alta, so excited to see what that's going to hold and, um, yeah, ready to kind of make some of those adjustments going in.
Speaker 1:
Um, in other news, we had the Leadville trail marathon weekend. Uh, happened, go down, uh, this past weekend. Um, a few of those of you that are unfamiliar, leadville trail marathon, 10,000 feet up at Leadville, leadville, colorado. The marathon was a pretty traditional marathon distance 26.4 miles, uh, with quite a bit of vertical 6,167 feet of vert, um, so quite a bit of climbing for this race. The high point is one of my favorite areas of Colorado actually, um, right up on mosquito pass, 13,179 feet. Mosquito pass is pretty dope. You can drive over it. Check it out one day. Um, yeah, so we had quite quite a quite a race up front. We're going to start off with the women's field and then we can get into the men's field, because there's a bunch I want to talk about with the men's field In the women's field, shout out to Mary Denholm Okay, three hours 59 minutes 47 seconds for the win, the only female of the day to go under four hours and just absolutely ran lights out.
Speaker 1:
I mean she was right in the mix in the top 10. Jesus Christ, she almost caught Rob Carrar. She was less than a minute off Rob Carrar's time. This girl is for real, so keep an eye out for that name. And second place was Alicia McDonald in four hours 26 minutes 49 seconds. It just goes to show you how dominant Mary's race really was and just how complete it was. I mean she beat Alicia by like 27 minutes. That's pretty wild, um.
Speaker 1:
And third place was Dominique Stelzio in four hours 31 minutes 39 seconds. And in fourth place was Casey Norbert in four hours 43 minutes 13 seconds. In fifth place was Ashley Davis when four hours 47 minutes 46 seconds. Um, look at that. I mean that's a crazy spread though from first to fifth. I mean you're looking at about a 48 minute spread in a marathon distance, which is kind of crazy, um, between first and fifth in the women's field, so pretty wild there. Um, the men's field was very tight, extremely tight.
Speaker 1:
Um in first place was friend of the podcast. Good buddy of mine, shout out Mr Jacob Scraba, check out, guys, if you haven't already like, jump on over to episode four of the steep stuff podcast. A little shameless plug there. Um, jacob Scraba, my boy, um three hours 47 minutes 12 seconds, you know ran himself an extremely complete race. He was just outside of the top 10 last year at the Leadville 100. So he was gunning for his goal to get the coin and get back into the Leadville 100 for this year and, jesus Christ, did. He absolutely get in in a big way. I think this was probably one of his biggest, if not the biggest result of his career. So many big things for this guy. Just absolutely excited. Like I said, if you don't know jacob's story, head on over to episode four of the steep stuff pod. Um, man, you know, listen, I'm a little bit of a talent scout there. We know how to pick them. Um, so pretty excited for jacob and, uh, like I said, can't wait to see where this guy's career takes him. I think he's just absolutely getting started. Um, and I am very excited for him to improve upon that top 15 finish from last year at the Leadwell 100.
Speaker 1:
In second place was North Face athlete, moses Jimenez, in three hours 48 minutes six seconds. In third place was Max Robinson three hours 48 minutes of in 45 seconds. In fourth place was Anthony Kunkel and the pride of Durango, colorado, in three hours 50 minutes and six seconds. And the pride of Durango, colorado, in three hours 50 minutes and six seconds. And in fifth place was none other than the legend, mr Rob Carrar uh, just breaking records deep into his forties in three hours 58 minutes 35 seconds. Shout out to Rob man, that's pretty solid for for an old guy, not too bad. Um, yeah, just like I said, what a complete race. Very excited I can't say enough about singing Jacob's uh praises, so very excited for that guy. Um, can't wait to see what he can do. And, uh, yeah, just a big shout out to all the competitors in the men's and women's field.
Speaker 1:
Uh, we also had some friends of the podcast um, and a lot of great athletes competing this week in the Leadville heavy half. What a banger of a race. Not a half marathon, it's a heavy half marathon, which means a few extra miles. The heavy half this year was about 15.4 miles with about 3,421 feet of vertical gain. So still pretty, pretty solid. Uh, the high point of the race, as well as about mosquito pass with 13,169 feet.
Speaker 1:
So going all the way up there, uh, and then climbing screaming back down to Leadville, uh, we could start off with a women's race. There was some exciting, exciting throwdowns in the women's race. The pride of Colorado Springs, miss Chrissy Lofgren, took the dub for the women's half marathon in two hours 30 minutes 31 seconds. Shout out to Chrissy. In second place was Jamie Kempfer in two hours 30 minutes 36 seconds. So that's a five second split between Chrissy and Jamie. So what a close race, uh, absolute barn burner there. And then third place was friend of the podcast, miss Lacey Burgess, in two hours 31 minutes 52 seconds. Um, guys, if you haven't learned about Lacey head on over, she had another shameless plug, a steep stuff, podcast, episode 15. Uh, I get to learn all about Lacey. So really picking, picking some strong athletes for the podcast there. So pretty exciting. A big shout out to Lacey for that third place and big shout out to Chrissy as well.
Speaker 1:
Some, some dubs and some podiums from Colorado Springs. Do not sleep on Colorado Springs, it's, colorado Springs is where it's at. In first place for the men's field was Mr Seth James Damore buttering his bread in one hour 52 minutes 55 seconds, just short of the course record. Dude Seth is coming for scalps. Expect to see him do big things. He's going to be racing Kendall Mountain Run this weekend, on the 7th, and he is also going to be at the US Mountain Running Champs at Snowbird Cirque Series, snowbird coming up on the 13th. So Seth is absolutely fit and ready to rock and roll. In second place was Finnin Jacobson Schultz in 1 hour 56 minutes and 8 seconds and in third place was Mr David Kennedy in 1 hour 56 minutes 57 seconds. So big shout out to everybody there at the Leadville Heavy Half what a fun race Running up high over 10 000 13 000 feet.
Speaker 1:
Um, pretty crazy that they're able to put on such a, such a fun event. I know it was like two years ago this it snowed during this race and they had to, like cut the courses short, which is kind of wild. Um, so good weather all around this year, really fun. What a good weekend. And trail running um, what a fun weekend for our sport.
Speaker 1:
Some developments. We've got some things popping off this upcoming week. I am not going to talk about Kendall Mountain or Loon Mountain, because we do have race preview episodes dropping on the 4th and the 5th for those. The Loon Mountain run is going to be the US Mountain running uphill vertical champs for 2024. It's going to be a selection race. Okay, so keep an eye out for that. Um, tomorrow, july 4th, we were actually going to be dropping that episode, and subsequently, on the fifth excuse me, on the fifth we're going to be dropping the Kendall mountain run race preview. Um, very excited for that and that's a hometown race for me.
Speaker 1:
Big fan of, a big fan of or I'm going to sit slide, jesus Christ, I'm tired. A big fan of Silverton, colorado. Big shout out to Kenna Mountain. I'm actually going to be on course this year hanging out there. So I want to wish all those competitors the best of luck. I'll be up there If you're racing. I'll be up there with my dogs cheering people on. It's going to be dope, all right.
Speaker 1:
So we do have one big race coming up this week that I am going to talk about, um, that I'm really excited and stoked on. That's going to be the quarterly are Blanca sky race. That's going to be taking place this upcoming weekend in Peru. Um, this upcoming Saturday, to be exact, it's going to be taking place in Huaraz I think it's Huaraz is the pronounce a correct pronunciation Peru is.
Speaker 1:
Race itself is dope. It's going to be 22.5 K, which is about 13 miles, with about 1,362 meters of climbing, which is translates to about 4,500 feet of climbing vertical. But the cool part about this is the highest point of this race is 4,400 meters, so about 14,435 feet. Okay, so we're going up and over 14,000 feet, which is wild. Um, for those of you who are unaware of the highest point in Colorado, mount Elbert is about 14,439 feet. This is about four foot variance.
Speaker 1:
Uh, the cool thing is too, this race is kind of like an up-down race. Um, it's just, you know, a lot of climbing in the first half, or all climbing in the first half, and a whole lot of descending in the second half. Um, so it's basically up down. So you've got to make sure not to make mistakes in that. Um, I prefer up down races. I think that that suits me a little bit better instead of up down, up down, up down and then more up downs. Not a fan of those. Um, the race itself starts actually at 10,800 feet. This is a high altitude race. Um, yeah, it's going to be an absolute banger.
Speaker 1:
Really excited. Lots of friends of the pods pod coming out, Um, lots of people that I'm going to. I'm really excited to cheer on. Um. Let's talk about the women's race. Um, I'm pretty excited here.
Speaker 1:
We've got a lot of uh Peruvian um athletes which is really cool that are going to be coming out and racing um, you know, racing for their country. Uh kind of represent, which is dope, as well as a lot of household names as well, which I'm pretty excited for. So we're going to have Trinidad Ortiz, the pride of Peru, coming out. We're also going to have Karina Carsoleo. She is a black diamond athlete from Mexico. You might be familiar with Karina's name. She took a top 10 at the meet the minotaur just a few weeks back, as well as an overall dub at sky challenge Mexico. Karina is an absolute killer. She's really good uh. So it's gonna be really fun to follow around, follow along and watch her compete at this race. Um.
Speaker 1:
We're also going to be having elizabeth serrano, from peru turning up. Um. We're also going to have hillary gerardi, which is really fun, um, she lives in France but as an American black diamond athlete, one of one of potentially the greatest, uh, I mean a lot of people put her up there as one of the greatest to ever do it. I mean, she's been around the game for a while. She's a phenomenal athlete and just very solid Um. Like I said, residing in in the greater Chamonix area in France, um runs a lot of these races and is very just stout, stout athlete. Um. And we also have Emma cook Clark turning up from? Uh, the Arc'teryx team um by way of Canada. So it's going to be exciting to cheer her on as she comes out to take on this high altitude race. Um. Yeah, like I said, really stacked women's field Um also.
Speaker 1:
I don't know if this is confirmed or not, but we also have, I believe, mercedes Segal. Gaither is going to be coming out to race as well. Um. Also keep an eye out for Rio Townsend. Uh, pride of Colorado Springs. She's going to be coming out to race this race as well. Um, as well as her brother, mr Benjamin Townsend. Um. We want to wish them both the best of luck as they uh head on over to Peru. Um.
Speaker 1:
All right, let's talk about the men's field. I already did mention Mr Benjamin Townsend. He's like a? U well, let's say U25 athlete would make the most sense Competes in the 20-year-old category as well, as we've got a bunch of other absolute killers turning up from Mexico. On the Scarpa team is going to be Luca Del Perro. We also have a Peruvian athlete which I'm really excited to talk about as Jose Manuel Cusepe. Um, a Merrill runner guys, an absolute killer. I'm excited to see him come out and see what he can do. Um, we're also going to have fan favorite Daniel Antolini. Uh, the Italian is going to be making his way out to Peru from uh via the Scarpa team.
Speaker 1:
Um, as well as my buddy and La Sportiva teammate, mr Jackson Cole, the pride of New Zealand residing in North America. Well, in America, I should say. Um, he's coming out as well. Second place just a few weeks back at the meet, the Minotaur sky race. This guy is hungry. I think he is going to get it done. He's been training up high.
Speaker 1:
Um, I did not get a quote from him. I'm going to have to. I did text him the other day. I'm going to. I'm going to shoot, shoot on over and see if I can get a quote from him. I want to cheer this guy on. He's. He's a no-transcript. Lots to talk about there. Um, yeah, I just wanted to make sure I could get this one out there before those uh, those race previews drop. Um, pretty excited to talk about. You know a lot of things that happened over the past weekend. I'm sure you guys were probably interested to hear about micro fuffle at my race, um, as well as what went down at Leadville. So, hope, hope, to provide some value for you guys there. Um, yeah, everybody, have a great week for those Americans out there. Happy 4th of July weekend. Uh, happy racing. And yeah, the steep stuff podcast is the sub stuff Episode six. Have a great rest of your week, thank you.
