NCAA Seed Confusion and Gridiron Gossip: Saban Speaks, College Playoffs Expand, and Royal Whispers

Tune in as we break down the complexities and surprises in the world of college sports, from Auburn's unexpected post-SEC victory seed to the potential repercussions of the college football playoff expansion. We're also weighing in on the controversies that Nick Saban's comments on NIL stirred up across fan bases (0:04) , reflecting a seismic shift in the college sports landscape (10:12).

As the debate heats up, we swap our serious hats for a bit of humor with 'Two Truths and a Lie', poking fun at our past game misunderstandings. But it's not all jokes as we explore what lies ahead for the University of Florida's football team under Billy Napier's guidance (0:24:36). We'll also assess the Tennessee (0:33:29) and Oklahoma (0:38:35) football teams' challenging season ahead, making some bold predictions that you won't want to miss.

Wrapping up with a mix of the bizarre and speculative, we share a laugh over a college basketball player's mid-game study session and dive into the royal rumor mill regarding Kate Middleton's recent public absence (0:49:08). And hey, we're not just talking to ourselves here – we're letting you in on our plans to bring live callers into the mix, offering you the chance to be part of the discussion. So catch us on our social media channels, and join us on the wild ride through the ups and downs of college sports!

0:04

Saban's Comments on NIL Impact

0:10:12

College Football and Politics Discourse Frustration

0:14:34

NCAA Basketball Tournament and Signing Day

0:23:20

Early Recruit Rankings and College Football

0:24:36

Two Truths and a Lie: Florida

0:33:29

Two Truths and a Lie: Tennessee

0:38:35

Two Truths and a Lie: Oklahoma

0:49:08

Royal Rumors and College Basketball Antics

0:58:37

Live Caller Plans for Podcast

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:04

Hey everyone. Hello, welcome back to another episode of fourth and wrong. We will let the chat pile up a little bit as we start here. Good to see everybody on this fine Monday evening.

Speaker 2: 0:19

It is, it is.

Speaker 1: 0:20

How are you today? I'm good man, ready for the tournament to start, for sure. Four states sucked for the third year in a row.

Speaker 2: 0:33

You guys, you all won your first game. What do you call it? An ACC tournament Dude? I feel like that is my favorite week, Like this week's going to be awesome. I'm excited to watch the first two rounds of March Madness, but there's something about conference tournament weekend. That's just awesome. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1: 0:53

Yeah, Certainly I got. I got kind of got wrapped up in the players championship this weekend. Um so I did not watch much of the Florida Auburn game, but congrats to Auburn on an SEC tournament victory, Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:11

And then getting just completely screwed over, like a couple hours later, by the uh, the committee that was or I guess not the committee, what would even be called.

Speaker 1: 1:25

I think it's a committee of some sort, is it?

Speaker 2: 1:27

Um, yeah, they won. Uh, hold on one second. They won the. Um, what do you call it? They, they won the SEC tournament and then immediately got completely screwed and sent to Spokane as a four seed. Um, they're in a bracket with three other conference champs. I think the weirdest part we'll get into this later with the with the whole thing, um, but uh, it was weird. The thing for me was the fact that Bama was a four seed. They were like the last four seats. They're basically ranked 16. Auburn just won the SEC and they were 15. They were, they were the third ranked four seed. And then the committee sends Bama, auburn and UAB all to Spokane.

Speaker 1: 2:24

I mean Spokane is nice this time of year.

Speaker 2: 2:28

It's just such a weird like it's not me, fucking excuse my language not even close. We're going to clean up the F bombs on this episode, um, but yeah, it's just like it's not even close. It's not even close, anyway, whatever there's. Um, I feel like we're like back into the swing of things, because last week, the uh, as soon as we were like we posted the pod, like the following day news broke about saving going to Washington and it became a whole thing.

Speaker 1: 2:54

Yeah, and now in the last week, since we talked, there's a 14 team playoff that starts in 2026.

Speaker 2: 3:03

I'm still so mad about that.

Speaker 3: 3:05

Bad, real bad.

Speaker 1: 3:10

Um, yeah, man, it's a. It's been a while week, so let's start there, maybe, with some of the football stuff before we get into March madness. Um, what do you know about saving going up to Washington and what was he doing up there?

Speaker 2: 3:25

So, first and foremost, he didn't just go on his own accord. Um, he went here while I'm saying this. You want to see if you can find the, the audio of what he said, or video what he said, because you know he, basically, he, he was asked to go up to Washington for I think Ted Cruz was involved, the Cavender twins were involved, okay, um, yeah, that'll, that'll peak the interest, um, and they were talking about, uh, just the state of NIL and because I think the incident was trying to get the government to help it out and blah, blah, blah. So the the majority of the response from people on about Saban's comments was that you know Saban's bitching and moaning about NIL. I think one of the things he said was the.

Speaker 2: 4:17

The main quote that got the most attention was he was telling a story about how him and Miss Terry which him saying Miss Terry in in, like in Congress or wherever they were was hilarious, like. But he was talking about it and said you know, on Sundays, when we have recruiting trips, um, we have, like, everyone at the house and their families at the house and, like you know, we have, we have over here and usually Miss Terry takes the, the moms, and goes and talks to him and says um hey, you know, here's how we're going to develop them. I'm going to take care of your kids, don't worry about it. Blah, blah, blah. Here's all the things we're going to do. And I think she, she made the comment to him which is why we're even doing this anymore. Every single person only asked about how much money can you make us?

Speaker 2: 5:05

And Saban delivered that to you know, on camera, in front of people about, about NIL, and people just lost it.

Speaker 2: 5:17

Just, I mean, like I had a conversation with my buddy, pablo Esca burner, about this um on Twitter and him and I were talking about it because it comes off to every other fan base and you you're you're an FSU guy, so you can tell me what you think about it. It comes off to every other fan base as pompous arrogance, maybe tone deaf, whiny. I mean, what are the words? Can you, can you throw in? And people are really upset about the fact that. I think that the vessel is being like the message is being delivered through is Saban, and so the there was a ton of backlash on what he said, but you know, I thought of most people who were pretty in tune with it, like we're about to watch this video of Scott Ben Pelt right here. Um, most people who are in tune with, like, the objectiveness of what's happening all kind of agreed that this is an act, this is an accurate thing that's going on hit play.

Speaker 3: 6:17

You're saving all the things that I believed in for all these years, 50 years of coaching no longer exist in college athletics. So it's always about developing players. It was always about helping people move more successful in life. My wife even said to me we'd have all the recruits over on Sunday with their parents for breakfast and she would always meet with the mothers and talk about how she was going to help and impact their sons and how they would be well taken care of. And she came to me, you know, like right before I retired, and said why are we doing this? And I said what do you mean? She said all they care about is how much you're going to pay them. They don't care about how you're going to develop them, which is all what we've always done. So why are we doing this? So you know to me that was sort of a red alert that we really are creating a circumstance here that is not beneficial to the development of young people.

Speaker 2: 7:15

All right. What are your thoughts on it?

Speaker 1: 7:22

Um, no, I mean, look, I I can see why. It sounds tone deaf. It sounds like, oh, I don't want to be a part of this game. It's the only way. You know that I'm basically getting phased out of the game. Um, so, I understand that aspect of it, but I think he's just saying what most of the the coaches think these days.

Speaker 1: 7:41

I mean, I talked to a coach recently Won't name him, but he actually worked for saving for a lot of years and he's actually with his wife when I was talking to him and they were there telling me just all about it. It was a really cool talk and that's what he said. You know, I said, well, you got he retired, so he got out at the right time, and or is this what I told him at least? And yeah, so basically the same thing that Saban just said. You know it used to be that we would I would be really involved with the players and you know it was about what kind of family culture you could build and and that kind of thing. And Now it's just straight up how much money can I get paid? And am I gonna start? If not, I'm gonna transfer. I mean, it's just, it's the Wild West, and I mean I don't, I don't begrudge Saban for taking it, I I think it's a great thing because ultimately, someone needs to stand up and say something.

Speaker 2: 8:30

So I agree with you for one. I also think it's. I think it's one of those things where it's like two or maybe even more things can be true at the same time. Like, say, been saying this. I guess what pissed me off the most, tyler is, is that the moment he said anything was the moment you heard from other fans, like outside of Tuscaloosa, that were like, for the most part and this is all in social media, which is like 90% of the loudest, 10%, you know what I mean Like yeah, yeah, it's just it's, it's a cesspool, but like the, the response from everyone was like you know a lot of anger about you know, like he shouldn't be a lot, he shouldn't be talking like this, like he only left because the game wasn't beneficial to him anymore, and blah, blah, blah, and like I'm not even saying this is not why he left at this point, I guess what pisses me off the most about it is there.

Speaker 2: 9:20

This is what we've been saying, for over here, there are real issues facing college football. There are. There are real issues and there's probably not a better person to have this conversation with then Nick Saban, and even our buddy SC Mike was talking to him about it last week and he was like he was. He wasn't saying anything. It was right around saving was talking about it, but he was like this is how much money Nick Saban has made from coaching college football. So it seems hypocritical for him to be the one saying it, but all we're really saying there is Okay, the the most successful coach to ever coach in this sport, the most successful coach of the sport to ever coach in this sport, is also the highest paid in the sport. So therefore he should not be talking about the issues in the sport just because he made a lot of money.

Speaker 2: 10:12

And I think what really bummed me out the most was there was not, at least on social media, which is maybe not where it should have been happening anyway. But, like for the most part, there was not a lot of discourse on it. The moment it was that he became the vessel for that, that that communication was the moment I think a lot of people tuned out and it sucks because it's like it, the level of discourse from people. It seemed like it was almost zero. Nobody wants to talk about that because they don't really like him. And I'm not saying it's right or wrong or whatever. What I am saying is. It bums me out that, like in 2024, it feels like college football and politics Just handshake emoji are the same, because we're just not going to have conversation about it without somebody Saying something as loud as possible and as ignorant as possible without having getting anything done. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 11:08

That's, that's politics.

Speaker 2: 11:09

101, baby right and that's like it just bums me out because it's like that's all I saw last week. And then the funny part the funny part about it, tyler, is I'm listen, if he's not the right voice, then screw it. Find someone that's the right voice, because these are real issues that need to be said. The next day, like less than 24 hours. Kirby smart said the same thing, said almost exactly the same thing, and you heard nothing. It's like because when he was saying was factual, it was all a good point and it was like you know, this is something like that's, those aren't the kind of kid you want to recruit like. So maybe Kirby's the right voice to go talk About these things and if he wants to take time out of recruiting to do it, then I would love it because I think he's probably one of the best voices to to have this conversation with. It's just the whole thing Just sucks, man, just because it like I don't think they got anywhere closer to fixing it.

Speaker 1: 12:01

No, and on the field stuff they're changing. I think all that they've really figured out is that you know the money side of it and the SEC and the the big 10 getting more. We don't really know the setup yet of the, the 14 team playoff, but as soon as we got the 12 team playoff of 14 teams was right behind it. So that sucks. Hopefully this is the the top of the. I mean, I don't know. It just seems like from what we were talking about two years ago when Texas, oklahoma came into the SEC is. Is this going to turn into NFC, afc? Seven teams each get into the playoffs and it looks like that's where we're headed.

Speaker 2: 12:40

Man, I Just, I feel like this is becoming the topic we've talked about nonstop over the last like several weeks. I had like every time, it's like I still want to talk about it, but at the same time, I have the same reaction, which is like this sucks, this is that's all I can think of. Like it, just it just sucks, because it's like what's weird is, we waited for so long. We waited for so long for the NCAA to make Changes that that we all think were probably necessary to make in the sport of college football, and Then they made some, and then other people made, you know, other ones, but like you hit the nail on the head, man like all they figured out is the money side of it. There isn't another side of it. They've they've even tried to figure out.

Speaker 2: 13:24

I this is the thing I keep going back to. They went like I think having a 16 playoff would have made sense, like having a 12 team playoff. Because now, really, tyler, how do you get up and get excited for the, the miniki car quest bowl or whatever the hell it is? You know what I mean. Like I For real, like we'll bet on it and we'll, but like it is, it's, I think, the thing that I keep going back to you is Mizzou. Finally, they played their spring game on Saturday, but by the time they had made this decision it was before Saturday, which means we hadn't even played a spring game In the in the year that we were gonna have a 12 team playoff and they already expanded it. And I just don't get that. I just don't get that.

Speaker 1: 14:14

Well, whenever you find yourself confused, just think about money, and that's usually the answer that usually makes me more confused.

Speaker 2: 14:23

I don't know what a Roth IRA is.

Speaker 1: 14:26

Well, buddy over here can help you with that perfect Speaking of making lots of money for the NCAA. I, yeah, yeah, brackets came out. Yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna pretend to know what seems the best, yeah, but we get at least touch on the SEC here. Obviously we talked about in the East bracket.

Speaker 2: 14:53

You've got Auburn, as a foresee, going to play Yale also love the fact that it's the East, the East bracket, and they're going to Spokane. I understand that's different, but you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 15:04

Yeah, doesn't make much sense. Okay, so Washington State's kind of got a little home home advantage out there. This, this is Okay. North Carolina's got the one seed in the West bracket. I don't know, you know, I don't know that I'm that impressed with North Carolina.

Speaker 2: 15:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 15:28

Bama is in that bracket with Charleston.

Speaker 2: 15:30

Charleston somehow has a worse defense than Bama, which is tough to deal. Tough to deal.

Speaker 1: 15:37

Okay, and then the second round a potential matchup with either Great grand Canyon or St Mary's so Grand Canyon, their head coach is I Now I can't think of his name.

Speaker 2: 15:53

It's the guy that hit that shot for Valpo so many years ago. Oh.

Speaker 1: 15:57

Oh, Bryce true.

Speaker 2: 15:58

Yes, yes, there's a two is a two, two first names. And St Mary's is, like you know, when you tune into to see a Gonzaga game because you can't go to sleep and it's like late February, that's who they're playing is saying that the. Gonzaga and St Mary's play roughly 17 times a year.

Speaker 1: 16:18

Interesting Also, potential setup with Mississippi State. If they could somehow upset Michigan State. Well, I don't know if that would be an upset. I guess they're the eight seed, but North Carolina Bama could potentially face them. You've got Baylor in there. Arizona is always a good team, although they're not usually good in the tournament.

Speaker 2: 16:38

Oh yeah, they also them getting a two seed. It's like it's not, like it's not deserved. But it's also it's very frustrating. They lost four games in the regular season in the Pac-12, and the Pac-12, I believe, only got two teams in and then they lost in the semifinals. We're going to pretty good parley Against Oregon and they got like kind of well, wasn't thrashed, but they, they've got thrashed in the second half.

Speaker 1: 17:04

They. They're always a good bet to exit in, like the third round.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Yeah, he's 16.

Speaker 1: 17:13

Let's see who else we got here. Tennessee's got the two seed.

Speaker 2: 17:18

Hold on, go back. See either plan St Pete's, st Peter's baby.

Speaker 1: 17:26

Well, what are they again? Remember they they.

Speaker 2: 17:31

Kentucky, two years ago.

Speaker 1: 17:33

Yeah, but what's the? Is that a quail?

Speaker 2: 17:36

Remember they are they. They had that white kid with the mustache and, and I'm pretty, I remember they. I think it was Jack Mack that posted about it, but their, their campus is like Like an abandoned storage unit or some shit in like Manhattan. It's like ridiculous Texas at seven. Yeah, another SEC squad kind of I can't see anything here.

Speaker 1: 18:03

Okay.

Speaker 2: 18:06

Creighton and Dayton. I was that creighton and Dayton should just always play each other. I feel like in the first round they're always in the tournament for one.

Speaker 1: 18:13

Great sounding matchup. Great, yeah, that's very true.

Speaker 2: 18:17

So I feel like Oregon is a sneaky good game.

Speaker 3: 18:22

Can't tell me.

Speaker 2: 18:23

Caroline is good Also. Yeah, Kansas got bounced in the first round of theirs. I'm excited for Gonzaga McNeese State because that is a. That is a will Wade Coach team.

Speaker 1: 18:36

Oh, that's where we'll wait is now.

Speaker 2: 18:37

Yeah, and they went like. I want to say they went like 31 and 3.

Speaker 1: 18:43

We'll wait, so make it his way around town, make him away round town.

Speaker 2: 18:48

He's pretty good, that's.

Speaker 1: 18:50

I like that matchup for do the one seed.

Speaker 2: 18:55

Dude, just yeah, oh.

Speaker 1: 19:02

Talk, he's got a peppy. Oakland squad.

Speaker 2: 19:04

Here's. Here's what pisses me off about all of us. I'm gonna go back to Auburn and not just because my girlfriend is an Auburn grad, kentucky getting a three seed over Auburn. Like Auburn just won the SEC and they won each and every they would. They won each of their three games by an average of 19 points per game, I mean, and Won the SEC and they were the. They were a four seed, they didn't get bumped up to a three, they were a four seed going in, like just say the games don't matter, go back to the right real quick the games don't matter.

Speaker 1: 19:35

Remember, we knew that already.

Speaker 2: 19:37

Yeah, that's very true. You send long wood. Long would play A&M a couple years back, I believe I, because I have all my my little matchup breakdowns save.

Speaker 2: 19:51

There's a couple repeats in here too, so I want to do as much work, which I'm very excited about. That'll be fun. I don't think I've ever done Nebraska's. That'll be a good one. Um yeah, nebraska's is pretty good as well. Nc State made a run. The ACC tournament yeah, evan Grimes brings up a good point. The Houston gave Drake a jersey which is like a kiss of death. I don't know why they would have done that.

Speaker 1: 20:18

In the NBA, oh yeah that was good.

Speaker 2: 20:23

Did you see what happened afterwards?

Speaker 1: 20:25

Yeah, the magic social media guy got fired immediately.

Speaker 2: 20:28

I mean I might need to apply. To be honest, yeah, that was pretty funny. No, I think we'll have to do a bracket against each other or something. I'm excited. This is always a really really fun, fun week. And also you get, like, I mean, thursday, it starts at 1115. I think Mississippi State, michigan State's the the first game. Nice, yeah, I'm excited.

Speaker 1: 20:50

Yeah, I. Just it seems like every year that goes by I know less and less about the tournament, but I still don't think it really matters when it comes to the brackets. Yeah, it's fair.

Speaker 2: 21:00

It's fair. It should be fun. I saw a couple people fill theirs out just as like who would win a football game? I? I think I'm going to be a favorite baby pretty well, so I might just do that yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:11

Longwood fair yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:14

Longwood fair. Pretty good, yeah, exactly. Anyway, where do we want to go next? I feel like I'm forgetting something.

Speaker 1: 21:24

Early signing day moved.

Speaker 2: 21:26

Yeah, I don't really, I didn't really whatever, yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:30

They're talking about how it's going to. I think I think it was actually high school state, because this varies, I think, like from state to state I think I could be wrong about that but like from the high school levels, where you're getting the most pushback on this, where if you have an early signing day, which, like it, was made with the intense to benefit high schoolers I don't know. I don't know what went into the decision. I think it happened in 2020 or 2021. I just don't remember what went into it and, to be honest, it kind of ruined recruiting for me, just because it's like it just takes a shine of signing day. There's not as much going on or going into it, but having all the reclassification, that's like what's really. I know that's going to be a big thing.

Speaker 1: 22:17

you know, like maybe 10, 15 years ago, the big thing started to become enrolling early. Yeah, Everybody enrolls early. So now it's like now we just graduate early, right, and eventually we'll be graduating early and enrolling early.

Speaker 2: 22:31

And it's like full years. It's like like a kid from the kid, like and I've only seen it up until this year, Unless it's academic and the kids are genius. Remember the kid that went to Ole Miss? Yeah, my sister was a genius, she skipped two grades in high school. But, like, I've only really seen it from like, all right, this junior is going to skip his senior year and enroll.

Speaker 2: 22:54

But that juju, what's his name? The quarterback from Georgia who was committed to USC for a minute and now he's decommitted from them. He, um, he officially decommitted. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I mean he probably knows. But yeah, I'm pretty sure he decommitted and he's he reclassified, so he's going into his senior year. He skipped his like he's a sophomore going into his senior year. Yeah, he did not decommit. Good, Okay, If you have, if we keep up with fucking high school recruiting, it just it, just like it's just, it's so beyond me. And also, Tyler, you see this all the time. I get so tired of seeing people that are like man, like the early recruiting rankings came out in February and you see this like social media celebration about it. It's like man, there's still like 10 months to go.

Speaker 1: 23:45

Yeah, so I'm going to go to. The 2026 ranking came out.

Speaker 2: 23:49

I was like I didn't get that map. A perfect game is like. I've started following more high school baseball again Cause, like Park fees ranked like fourth in the country. But yeah, cause it's, it's it's the most part. Seems like it's a lot of the same people that were ranked when we were in school but they were like, yeah, so-and-so is the. He's the number one prospect in our initial 2028 rankings and I was like I have no concept of what grade that is at all. And it was like a right handed pitcher throwing like 89 miles an hour. I was like so they have to be 13.

Speaker 1: 24:23

Yeah, I was thinking probably eighth grade.

Speaker 2: 24:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:27

So Wow, um, all right, you want to do two truths and a lie. You've got some.

Speaker 2: 24:35

I don't have any. Well, you can help me with mine. How about that?

Speaker 1: 24:38

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:38

What's up? Um, okay, two truths and a lie. So we did this last week. We had some tremendous feedback from it. Um, I think one of the quotes we got was it's very clear that you don't understand what two truths and a lie is, and they're not wrong. So there's that. Uh, all right, two truths and a lie. So early wins, total locks. We're going to give you two that I think are surefire overs and one that's an under. Are you ready?

Speaker 1: 25:08

I'm ready.

Speaker 2: 25:09

Let's start off with your team.

Speaker 1: 25:10

I'm going to bring up some schedules here I would love for you to do that, um, florida five and a half.

Speaker 2: 25:17

There's a real part of me, tyler, that is leaning into this idea that Florida is going to be better than we all think strictly because it's had enough time for I think, like the contrarian in me, to be like oh man, everyone thinks they're going to suck. What if they don't? What if they're going to be considering to? The bar is set so low for Florida that it's a five and a half wins.

Speaker 2: 25:42

It's a five and a half wins, but the bar is set so low nationally that it's become like it's just an accepted outcome. They're going to be awful. Our buddy, jd to kill, talks about this a lot. I think it's one of the best things we've talked about all off season, and that is punchline culture. So just things that we're not going to look into or we're not going to do any sort of objective thinking about, because punchline culture just tells us hey, that team's going to suck, this team's going to do this, this team does this, blah, blah. So you know, like that's we just accept. That's like what their fate is. That's what's happening with Florida. Everyone just kind of assumes Ford is going to suck. Now I say all of that. I say all that to say they are my under for sure. Because, because he's a thing close schedule, okay, they're going to lose that game on Saturday or on April 13. That game in my at least they get Miami at home, at least they get Samford at home.

Speaker 1: 26:44

Miami is further along. You know they got cam warden the off season. Yeah, they've recruited better from the high school level over the last two years. They've done a little bit better in the transfer portal. So I would expect I haven't seen the line on this game, but I would expect Miami's probably favored even at Florida.

Speaker 2: 27:05

I would assume, if they're not, we need to jump on that immediately. Yeah, that's, you know, that's what we should do.

Speaker 1: 27:14

We need to set up the super chat and then take whatever money we just set it up before this, but we have to have like 100 hours of streams or something like that Fun.

Speaker 2: 27:27

Okay, we'll figure it out, All right, maybe we'll just do like a week long marathon. Just leave it running during yeah, during March madness.

Speaker 1: 27:35

We could do what the guys at Barstle did, and I'll just live in solitude for three weeks and record it.

Speaker 2: 27:42

It's just me going to the bathroom every 30 minutes. I got to pee again, so, um, okay. So I'm looking at this and I see two and two in the first four games at best.

Speaker 1: 27:59

Yeah, you've got Miami Sanford. So let's say you split those, then you go Texas A&M at home, which is not by any means a guarantee, um, and then you go to Mississippi State, which obviously is in pretty much complete rebuild right now. Yeah, and then you get a buy. And then you could argue that the gauntlet starts after the buy.

Speaker 2: 28:26

but no, it doesn't. Here's the thing and we don't have to spend too much time on it. But I'll just say this I like I'm rooting for Florida this year. I'm rooting for Billy Napier. I feel like it's one of those things like against the world, you know, against all odds.

Speaker 2: 28:42

I hope Billy Napier proves every single person wrong. I really do. I like I don't think he's a bad coach, I don't think he's a bad guy. I think he's doing his, his effing best. Like Billy Napier to me is the Dane Cook sketch is I'm going to date myself. Or he said with the guys, like how guys cry, I did my best, I did my best. That's Billy Napier. Like he was thrown into a pretty tough situation strictly because I understand what it says on the helmet and I understand the logo. But, like man, they were behind not only with recruiting, they were really behind from a facility standpoint, and that's that's one of the things I'm still trying to wrap my head around. Tyler is some of these teams that were, that were so far behind from a facility standpoint, is mind blowing to me. Like.

Speaker 1: 29:30

George was, Florida was you know.

Speaker 2: 29:33

but here's the thing If Evan says in the chat, do you think DJ Lagway takes Merch's job? I don't, I think. I think he goes into this season. Billy Napier, that is with one of the top I'll say five to eight first top half SEC quarterbacks in the conference. Graham Merch was really good last year. Statistically he was very, very good and not a ton around him. He also didn't show up a lot in big games. I will say that.

Speaker 1: 30:02

But looking at the schedule, man, I just feel like and I mean, I know Lagway is supposed to be like the next big thing, but are you, this, is your basically last shot for a while to be a top P five head coach? Do you want your basically your career in the hands of a true freshman who's never played a snap?

Speaker 2: 30:22

So this happened with Gus Mazzan and Bo Nix, and I will Stand by this. When Bo Nix was there, this is like one of the better, smarter things I've probably ever said in the pod. Me and Connor were talking about this on my old pot. It's like 2019 offseason going into spring game. We had to make a bold prediction and my bold prediction was Bo Nix wins a starting job and Malik Willis, who he thought would win, would it would transfer out and that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2: 30:46

Because of the fact that, like what's up booze, I think that what he did and I think this is a good move Tyler is he. He kind of hitched his wagon in what was, at the time, a contract here for Gus Mazzan, like or like at least a hot seat year. He kind of hitched his wagon to. Bo Nix is a true freshman quarterback, saying, okay, it's a true freshman, but it's a five star, he's one of the highest recruits in the country, blah, blah. Let me see this through. And I think that Napier could do that with lagway, but I don't think he will because I think he's already got a good quarterback in Merce. He's already got a proven starter merch, which is something Auburn didn't have at the time when they were going through this with Bo Nix. The other thing I think I would guarantee you, you'll see, is Lagway will see the field a bunch, because they are going to have to get creative and figure out ways to not only win games, to Keep him around.

Speaker 1: 31:37

Yeah, yeah, I mean, look you people, came in his freshman year, you went, even though that leak was the established starter. Mm-hmm came in and they had a package for him that worked really well, and so I could definitely see that with lagway, this, this, you know, if he's the athlete that they say he is, which I'm sure he is, but yeah, you go. Basically, once they do that, first everyone gets two buys this year yeah, I'm sorry, that was at number 28th and then they go UCF at home, at Tennessee, back home, against Kentucky, another buy, and Then the gauntlet of all gauntlets.

Speaker 2: 32:11

It's not even like Like at Fort Estate, at at Texas away against Georgia, and here's anything. It's scary, man. I say this every year, every time the game is brought up. We all know how good Georgia is gonna be and we assume we know how good they're gonna be. It's just like there's just not a chance in hell that that game, as long as Kirby smart is the head coach, that's never a look ahead game, and not just because it's a rivalry game.

Speaker 2: 32:41

This is not a Georgia. Florida is no longer one of these. Oh man, anything can happen. It's a rivalry game. It's not like that. What it is is Kirby smart gets a week off and her mind everyone has seen like, hey, these guys, yeah, they beat me almost every single year. I was in college and I hate him, like I hate him and and so that that worries me at Texas, where's me? I will say I don't think Texas is good to think, but I Think that that's still. It's just too much. I'm gonna take the under. But, man, it would be awesome to see I Say what it would be awesome to see Billy Napier get his sixth win. They make them bowl eligible in one of those games like, especially Georgia, texas, or no offense, or Florida state.

Speaker 1: 33:26

No, I wouldn't be funny at all I.

Speaker 2: 33:31

Man, so I've already given away my my. My lies in my under.

Speaker 1: 33:36

But yeah dude Hammer the over I what's the over on Tennessee this year?

Speaker 2: 33:43

It's like eight and a half or eight.

Speaker 1: 33:46

All right, so let's take this game by game. Chattanooga win win in C state on the road right.

Speaker 2: 33:53

Well, it's on the roads, it's that. Uh, it's a yeah, neutral site. Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1: 33:58

I did North Carolina.

Speaker 2: 33:59

Tennessee will travel.

Speaker 1: 34:00

Yeah, what do you got there that's. I think that's a toss-up game. Personally. It's a win okay, I tell you what if that's a toss-up game.

Speaker 2: 34:10

And If that's a toss-up game and and they lose, things could get dicey.

Speaker 1: 34:20

Yeah, Kent State win at Oklahoma. We'll see how Oklahoma is gonna be this year, but that'll be a tough game.

Speaker 2: 34:28

Very do a lot of storylines there.

Speaker 1: 34:31

There are little Josh hypo action.

Speaker 2: 34:34

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1: 34:36

What's the other storyline?

Speaker 2: 34:37

That's it.

Speaker 1: 34:37

It's the only story line, that's just one by week at Arkansas, you would think would be a W there. Florida at home, then the third Saturday in October, alabama in Knoxville, trying to go back to back wins at home against Alabama hasn't happened in it's almost 30 years. No 20. Then they get another bye week and then they finish with a string of five games, starting against Kentucky at home, mississippi State at home at Georgia. You tap at home, then at Vandy.

Speaker 2: 35:15

This is why I'm taking the over again, because, like, go back up, maybe Florida is a look ahead, game against, against Bama, because you have been with a following week, but say you lose. Say you lose to NC State or Oklahoma. I don't think they lose both.

Speaker 1: 35:34

Yeah, you got you. You have to split those for sure.

Speaker 2: 35:37

So they're three in one coming out of that right. I made Arkansas's a win. You get Florida at home now. We talked on the show last year in the summer and people hated us for it, or mainly me, but that game in the swamp is very different than the game in Tennessee and I've been fully aware. I think the record, I think Tennessee is like two and eighteen in their last 20 against Florida, but they get him at home and this is a different era, I think, because it, at the very least, the confidence is back for Tennessee. I think they beat Bama at home, to be honest, because I think that's a. I think that is now again the one that circled or highlighted on the counter, that that they want more than anything, and I think is attainable. I think it's attainable this time.

Speaker 2: 36:20

Both those games at home back to back could be electric, electric atmosphere for both those Yep especially. By the way, that's a night ends up being a night game on ABC with Bama Tennessee.

Speaker 1: 36:34

Yep, you know you got a. You got a bi week. The next week put it all on the line. Yeah then you got Kentucky again at home. They got a lot of home games. Yeah, mississippi State of home, yep, kentucky at home, mississippi State of home. Then they go on the road to Georgia. Obviously that's a tough one, but then they've finished the year, you tap, and at Vandy, yeah, I. Do like an overpick.

Speaker 2: 36:53

I yeah, I think it's one of my favorite picks that year. I don't see where they they lose.

Speaker 1: 36:58

The swing game is. The swing games are at the very beginning of the year. Mm-hmm me, because the NC State game in the at Oklahoma Are two that I could see going either way. I will say this is more likely to obviously win, then, or You're more likely to win the NC State game than the Oklahoma game.

Speaker 2: 37:17

Yeah, I will also say this. I think, if you scroll down and I'm starting to lean into this idea, that you know, maybe this is accurate, tyler, I don't know, maybe I am a little bit of a pessimist and maybe a lot of my Objectivity about Bama can sometimes be an emotional hedge. But I will tell you this on paper as of today, march 18th, when you look at the strengths of what Tennessee is going to do, especially under Josh Hybel, and what we've seen them do over the past couple seasons, it there's not a bigger mismatch on paper. Then the Tennessee offense what we expect from them in the air and Alabama's biggest weakness, which is Nick save and retire, no, but secondary. The second day you have five scholarship players going into spring.

Speaker 1: 38:08

Yeah, there is a port. There's a second portal. You know, jalen key, you guys pulled in the second and where's he now?

Speaker 2: 38:17

Oh? He's it all missed and he's projected to be one of the top transfer Players in the car and the. I think it's him. You know it's true. I'm thinking of Amos the kid.

Speaker 1: 38:28

Yeah, I think he was a senior.

Speaker 2: 38:30

Yeah, he graduated.

Speaker 1: 38:31

All right, and let's get to your last team here. It shouldn't take us too long to get there, because it's part of this schedule.

Speaker 2: 38:39

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 38:40

And that is the Oklahoma Sooners. I'm going to be here.

Speaker 2: 38:46

I'm kind of buying in, you know why. How about the start to their season? You're three and a half the bat.

Speaker 1: 38:54

Yep All the games at home.

Speaker 2: 38:56

I think I expected I've talked about this a little bit in the last couple of episodes and last couple of things we've done. And OK, Pep, what's up? Pepper says hello everyone. I feel like Sanky, or whoever is in charge of making the schedule, gave Texas and gave OU a little bit easier of a path than they have for other teams.

Speaker 2: 39:23

And maybe I'm crazy, Maybe I'm just that's. You know what's it called? Spoiled grapes, what is it? Sour grapes, Sour grapes, Sour grapes. Yeah, Well, I'm stupid. So I think that it surprises me that when I look at, when I think of OU without looking at the schedule, when I think of OU, what I think of at the start of the season, you're traditionally not going to play a real tough first three games. You're going to be at home and they always have that one game that's on pay-per-view for whatever reason, like old school ESPN game plan for whatever reason, right? So then I look at this year's schedule and you think, well, maybe it'll change because you're in the SEC. Nope, Temple, Houston, Tulane, All at home, Tennessee at home At Auburn.

Speaker 1: 40:10

They've come close to losing to Tulane a couple of times.

Speaker 2: 40:12

They have they did, they might have lost him two years ago.

Speaker 1: 40:16

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 40:18

Or maybe as a gamer, since we're out, we're kind of pulling through, but I think it's worse. But they're, they're numbered. Keep in mind here they're numbered seven and a half, I think, at the start of the year. At worst you're three and two, right, so scroll down.

Speaker 1: 40:30

Yeah, so the two being Tennessee at home and at Auburn, right.

Speaker 2: 40:36

Texas. You're three. Maybe you're three and three. I think a lot of people think people thought that this year and I don't know man.

Speaker 1: 40:42

I mean look Auburn at the beginning of the season right. Right now they still have what's his name? At quarterback.

Speaker 2: 40:52

What is his name at quarterback?

Speaker 1: 40:54

I can't even remember it, the guy who over the guy from last year.

Speaker 2: 40:59

Payton Thorn. Yeah, dude, payton Thorn. Payton Thorn is is. I love this one from Booza here. Payton Pepper, what are you eating, woman? Pepper's eating paper towels or receipts or something? Payton Thorn was a $350,000 NIL get for Auburn.

Speaker 1: 41:26

Good job.

Speaker 2: 41:27

Yeah, craven, vestma guys.

Speaker 1: 41:31

Anyway.

Speaker 2: 41:32

I I going back up to this. I do think that Auburn fans no offense. I think that Auburn fans have started to think this is like a dub already because it's their first SEC road game. You got to come into Jordan hair with all of voodoo. I got an issue for you guys. There's not a ton of Jordan hair voodoo outside of the last two to three weeks of the season. This is not a place where people go in at the start of the year and like, oh my God, we can't navigate through this. You have seen a ton of losses, a ton of losses in Jordan hair over the past couple of seasons. You saw one last year to New Mexico state. So I don't think that this is the the automatic dub that a lot of Auburn fans are getting. I think that they could easily win that game but say they don't and just catastrophe situation Texas on the road. They beat Texas last year.

Speaker 1: 42:20

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 42:21

So I still say you're setting it to losses. South Carolina, that's a win. Ole Miss, let's say it's a loss. Then you got Maine, that's a win At Missouri. This is stuff that I thought At.

Speaker 1: 42:36

Mizzou. That's that final three weeks At Mizzou by Bama at home, and then at LSU they get Bama at home. I don't want Oklahoma and LSU or play in the last game of the year. I did too.

Speaker 2: 42:52

I also I think that game at Mizzou is going to be a war because those two teams, especially the Queens off season, do not like each other. I'll give you a hot take here, tyler I think I think OU can win two of those last three. And if I'm going through game by game, here's, here's go, go to the top. If I'm going through game by game, here's what I expect out of OU, because I think they're going to be better than people think. And I think I think that where I'm getting most of this from is Jackson. Arnold is a true freshman quarterback last season. Right, you had Dylan Gabriel who was one of the best quarterbacks in the country, like top 10 to 15 quarterback in the country. Right, you were comfortable enough with letting him go, knowing full well you had the money to keep him if you wanted. You were comfortable enough letting him go and then bringing in this true freshman, giving him the range to the whole thing, the key to the key to the whole thing and key to the everything in the garage.

Speaker 1: 43:50

He's supposed to be a stud.

Speaker 2: 43:52

And you also have. Now. You have a situation where the defense should finally be at the level of what Brent Venables was put there to do and has done in the past, and you bring in or you return some pretty good talent there anyway. So, going through it Winnet Temple, Houston, Tulane I say you split Tennessee and Auburn at the very least. So I think you're four in one coming out of that. Let's say they lose to Texas, right, I think, looking in the middle of this, if you scroll up, I think the next four games, I think that's three in one. I don't think they lose two of those games, yeah.

Speaker 1: 44:32

I mean gosh on the road Ole Miss on the road Missouri, and two out of three.

Speaker 2: 44:39

Yeah, but that's Texas. I still say, either way you look at it, I still say the three in one. I just don't see them losing all of those games and let's be honest man.

Speaker 2: 44:49

I'm not saying that Ole Miss and Mizzou aren't good teams. Those are not the crazy road environments that they would get against like in Alabama, against even a South Carolina right, like they get. I'm not saying that those two teams deserve to be in the top 10 and should be very good. But going to Ferro Field and going to Vaught Hemingway, that's not the scary, you know, daunting task that a lot of people think it's going to be. I think they'll get to the end of the season and I think that they'll be in a good position to be over and I think they're going to be better than people think.

Speaker 2: 45:28

I honestly wouldn't be surprised Like the ceiling is higher for Texas. But if you're looking at the ceiling for Oklahoma being, I think what some people think is like nine games and the ceiling for Texas is like 11 or 12, it just feels like Oklahoma has a better chance of hitting their ceiling than Texas might. And again, those are different levels but I just I feel like there's a there's a better chance of tech or OU being able to hit their ceiling than Texas.

Speaker 1: 45:56

Okay, that's interesting. I don't think I've had. I don't know that. I've heard a lot of people talk about that yet oh, you're welcome, You're the first I mean my grandpa Joe Sheik.

Speaker 2: 46:07

here I'm feeling great, so also shout out to the views. We've got 861 people here right now, which is fantastic. We appreciate it.

Speaker 1: 46:16

This is great, that is fantastic. Um, but not all is fantastic. Chris, I've heard that you've been sad recently. No, I've been great Well, who's sadder than you?

Speaker 2: 46:28

Auburn fans and college wall fans will keep it quick, because most of the conversation is from what we've already talked about. But I college wall fans, I think, are all starting to get pretty upset with the fact that all of this change. Dude, I don't, I don't even think the 14 teams would have been that bad of a plan if we did it after we got to 12. But one thing about college football that I think is is like very, very clear and maybe with a lot of sports, I don't know but you can't, you can't put things back in the box Like once it's opened, we're not going to go back down to 12. What's in the box? What a suck of that movie is beyond F. I just don't think you're going to be able to go back to what it was before and I think a lot of college wall fans are upset about that. The other one I'm trying to look this up. The other thing is yes, perfect, I found it. The other the other thing I think that people are who started the Marlers as Auburn fans. They have got to be pretty pissed because and you're not going to catch me saying this on Twitter outside of this right here but, like dude, it's kind of a slap in the face to Auburn that they went and won the SEC championship.

Speaker 2: 47:51

Bama lost in their first game. They're ranked directly in front of each other. They won 15, bama 16. In terms of like four seeds. They I mean they did nothing Playing that tournament and winning it did nothing. And one of the things I think Bama is a really good team. I really do. I would argue that they do not belong to be. They don't belong any lower than a four or five seed at most in the in the Insula tournament. But the reason why they're so high, tyler, is just because they played a bunch of good non-con games and they won almost none of them. Like you know, they played Arizona, they played Purdue, they played all like and they lost almost every single one of those games, but they played them, so they got rewarded for it. So I think Auburn fans are probably pretty pissed about that. Let's get into the uncensored moment of the week and we've got a good one. Are you ready?

Speaker 1: 48:41

You had an update for me on Kate Middleton.

Speaker 2: 48:43

We're going to say that one for last. Okay, so here's I'm going to send this to you so you can post it, and I'm very excited about it. I'm Katie Johnson from Auburn. It's one of my favorite things.

Speaker 1: 48:59

I'm a lot of Auburn content tonight, a lot of.

Speaker 2: 49:01

Auburn content. Katie Johnson had one of my favorite moments of the week because and it didn't get a ton of press I just sent you an article from BroBible. You can bring it up and put it on here if you want, but do you text it to me? I just did. Oh, wait, no, I didn't. So so Katie Johnson in a game where he got teed up. Somebody posted on Twitter and they're like look at Katie Johnson doing it on and off the court man. This just got sent to me in my my whatever app like for like is a student at Auburn saying like what I don't know his first name, but Katie Johnson submitted this for class Right. It took like two minutes until somebody was like hold on, hold on, hold on the timestamp on this. Here you go, just got this canvas notification Scroll up, scroll up or down, scroll down and it says he, apparently. He apparently submitted a homework assignment and the time that he submitted it was during the game.

Speaker 2: 50:13

So he just submitted it for him which is what happened, or on the sideline, he had an iPad out and was just doing his homework during the SEC tournament.

Speaker 1: 50:27

I love this picture they chose of him just standing with his arms on his back while guarding someone he is such a dick.

Speaker 2: 50:34

He is the epitome of a player you love if he's on your team and you absolutely hate if he's not on your team.

Speaker 2: 50:43

So fantastic who, out of them himself, it was on this big big bad brad 32 did big brad, big bad brad, which is also we've talked about this before one of my favorite parts. Like media today sucks in general, but like and especially in the election year, but one of my favorite things of media now and content that you consume stuff that breaks. You're gonna have people like this was actually sent to us from big bad brad 69 on twitter like that's it, that's incredible. Alright, last but not least, we have an update on Kate Middleton okay, I'm actually kind of nervous rumors swirling she's dead also rumors swirling.

Speaker 2: 51:30

She's alive. Tyler there's. I got key info submitted to us from Lillian Tyson, or one of our listeners who I just realized today. I've known her for years but she sounds British as fuck. She's my language, british as hell, mm-hmm. But there's a picture that came out today. Okay, hey, she was shopping with William this weekend and like the pictures from like, videos from like, very far away, and none of it's confirmed, it's just like hey, look they were. They were obviously out. It's just William with some other woman. It's definitely not her, it's anyway. Here's your update.

Speaker 2: 52:10

Okay, so December 25th is the last time Kate was seen at a public event December 28th and ambulance is seen leaving the place. The Royals were spending the holidays, which never gets explained. Then in January, the palace announced she had a planned surgery and would be in the hospital for 10 to 14 days and recovering for three months. She probably punched a wall for one. You know what I mean. Like that's got surgery anyway.

Speaker 2: 52:39

During her hospital stay, prince William came to visit her one time and the king came to visit her one time. No one saw her leave the hospital. Then in February, people started asking more questions because no details had come out. Then the palace announces actually it's not a three month recovery, it'll be around nine months. Yeah, in the meantime, charles has cancer, which he deserves no offense, and rumors about Williams affair are running rampant. Have you seen? Oh, yeah, so William, there's a rumors of an affair and my favorite tweet I've seen all week under a three year letterman tweet about the the affair the girl he had put he apparently tweeter, I'm sorry, apparently had an affair with. It is such a massive step down from Kate Middleton it is it all.

Speaker 1: 53:37

We think it is happening here.

Speaker 2: 53:38

We got hold of the paragraph. Man can you decide. I think she's dead. You think she's dead, I think she's dead, she just died. I mean, I'm sure something happened but like, bro, you're telling me that the royal family they just can't. Like you're telling me that they with how important public perception is to that family and I've watched some episodes of the crown. I get it.

Speaker 1: 54:04

I'm fully, fully invested in this it does make you skilled enough to talk about this thank you.

Speaker 2: 54:09

I appreciate you saying that. It honestly probably makes me still enough to be in the British tabloids, for sure. But like you're telling me that somebody like a family that obsessed with having like the, the correct perception and like 4020 like image, can't just come out and be like, hey, this is a picture of her, she's alive. Why are we photoshopping pictures of her on British Mother's Day? Why are we doing that? Also, side note, I told you this last time somebody did a direct overlay of her face and then figured out that it was the same exact picture from, like a people magazine cover, some some crap like several months prior. Alright, last time at least.

Speaker 2: 54:55

So then there was a photo of her and her mom driving somewhere, but there's a debate on whether it was actually her or her sister. Then on UK Mother's Day, she posted a photo of her and her kids, which is totally fine. It doesn't have her wedding ring on, okay. So then, like within a few hours, all new sources pull the photo because it's been edited, very obviously edited. Then on Twitter, kate makes a statement that's like oh silly me, I was just playing the photoshop and it wasn't good. No new photo is ever released. No other information comes out, so obviously more rumors come out. The internet has decided she's dead or divorcing William. Meanwhile she was allegedly seen out shopping this weekend with William so she's been part of the royal family.

Speaker 1: 55:37

I feel like divorce does mean death. She's got secrets. Yeah, you have like how could you just keep that going forever, like it just never goes to another event again?

Speaker 2: 55:53

I mean, this is gonna this think of the question you're asking right now this is an actual family in an actual country in 2024, where they are the king and queen of a whole country, people are still like, oh god, save the queen, get the fuck out of here. Also, side note, if this has been centuries of what is, for lack of better example or lack of better words, just genetic grooming, hey, here's the best possible genetics we can get these people. How do they continue to get such ugly people in this family?

Speaker 2: 56:32

I mean just disgusting looking, and that's coming from me. Maybe he's like me and every day he thinks God that he made him funny. I don't know, but that is it's tough chance. Pope is speaking the truth in the chat okay, well, so we're going. We're going clones now clones and drones, baby 2024.

Speaker 1: 56:55

Anyway, that was from our, our British correspondent, lillie, enticing your okay well, I, for one, am very much looking forward to finding out what happens in this case and the podcast that comes out of from it as well. Thanks, there's gonna be a serial or something.

Speaker 2: 57:15

I love serials like Lucky Charms or no, I'm not a big Lucky Charms guy. I'm like I tell you what I like to do. I like to take two to three serials and mix them together, so, like what I've been doing lately is, I'll get like great nut flakes okay here he is, and then great nuts on top, a little crunch going a little sandwich. Yeah, well, sandwiches, serial sandwich, cool, yeah, we'll end up with that uh, all right.

Speaker 1: 57:49

Well, hey, florida State football, spring football, started today, so I'm excited, man good man should brought that up. Well, nothing happened. Oh, it's just starting and I'm excited about it love it.

Speaker 2: 58:05

Love it as you should be. We had a new record again on this episode.

Speaker 1: 58:09

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Speaker 2: 58:56

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Speaker 1: 59:02

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