Courtside Chronicles: College Hoop Tactics, Drafting Diamonds, and Celebrating Women's Basketball

Join the court-side chaos with Tyler Huck and Chris Marler as they usher in a new era of "Fourth and Wrong." Through the lens of Alabama's heart-stopping victory over UNC, we unfold the strategic ballet that is college hoops. We analyze the pivotal shots and coaching chess moves that could've altered the outcome, offering our listeners a courtside seat to the tactical nuances that make the game electric. From Purdue's powerhouse performance to the controversial whistles that sway the fate of games, we've got your insider look at what shapes the collegiate basketball landscape.

The episode takes a slam dunk into the multifaceted world of college athletics, where drafting talents across varying sports becomes an art form. Hear tales of those under-the-radar baseball gems and towering 'project' athletes like the 6'9" pitcher who set scouts abuzz. Could DJ Burns make a leap to the NFL? We dissect the financial temptations against the backdrop of grueling physical adjustments. As March Madness builds, we spotlight the NCAA basketball tournament. 

Switching gears, we celebrate the power of women's basketball, as Iowa and LSU deliver a showdown worthy of the history books. Caitlin Clark dazzles, and we're here to amplify the hype and push for the in-depth journalism that the women's game richly deserves. And while we're shattering backboards, let's talk Damian Lillard and the unfair flak athletes catch for having passions beyond the court. So, lace up your sneakers, hit play, and let's embark on this wild ride through the thrilling world of college sports, where every play is more than just a game—it's a story waiting to be told.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:06

it said there was something wrong. Oh what? We didn't. We can't go live on your twitter. Why? All right, we're live. What's going on everybody? Welcome back to Forth and Wrong. I'm Tyler Hook. I've got Chris Marlowe with me, future Final Four participant. He's joined the team. Congrats, man.

Speaker 2: 1:02

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:02

Good weekend for you.

Speaker 2: 1:04

That was really cool. I'm excited to talk about that was. That was really cool. There's like a I'm excited to talk about it. That was really cool because I just kept waiting for like the other shoe drop and for for bama to blow it, um, and like I also had zero, zero faith they were going to beat unc and then they did that game was that?

Speaker 1: 1:23

that was an awesome game, yeah yeah, I mean I didn't get to watch the full clemson game. I saw the end of it um yeah, but that unc a damn game was like that was a really good game dude I was.

Speaker 2: 1:35

I was talking to my buddy, robbie buffington, and and we like kind of just like panic text each other during games, just kind of like what we do.

Speaker 2: 1:42

And I'm sitting there and I'm like like I think, bam, I had like a like a five or six point lead in like the later part of that game and I was like dude, we could do this, like bam, I can do this, and and we're both like all amped up, and then, within like maybe a minute and a half, unc was leaving and I was like, well, shit, all right, that's fair, and then came back and won. Man, that was, that was really cool. That was really cool.

Speaker 1: 2:05

I have never seen that before. The guy from UNC, the point guard, just kept shooting.

Speaker 2: 2:10

Well. Withers taking that shot. There was like a minute left and they were.

Speaker 2: 2:19

I think they were down one and he got the ball very early in the set and they were like there was like he got the ball very early in the set and they were like there's like 16 seconds left on the shot clock and he just fired a three and then missed it and everyone's like what the hell? The other thing that was weird was like like you and c fans are telling me this, like there are two kids that played in the second half or this like white kid who got like nine minutes of game time um in the second half, and two of the other guys, like Cormac and somebody else, who are their consistent starters, got nine minutes combined. It was just a very weird way they were. They were going about it. I mean just you know he had some things go your way. Get very lucky with like the missed dunk from from Baco or Bacot or however you say his name, but it was awesome, or Bacot or however you say his name, but it was awesome man.

Speaker 1: 3:03

That was really cool yeah man and shout out to white basketball players, finally making a mark on some games, which is great, dude Good.

Speaker 2: 3:12

I'm going to say this and I'm probably going to get canceled for it, but Clemson, oh yeah, clemson is just Clemson through and through, no matter what the sport is. Because I was what the sport is, because I was telling roddy I was like dude. They have two white guys that are their premier players and and they had a guy in the elite eight who is this pepper. Uh hey, I left the box of mo's on the floor. Should I tear them up? Um, I don't know why they're on the floor. It sounds bad and white trashy, but anyway, so like she had, I was telling him I was like dude, even even like their best black player was like super light-skinned. It was like it's just like everything about Clemson is just, they are very on brand, very on brand, but it was, it was a really fun. It was a fun Thursday night I was. It was shocking. I watched the games on Sunday as well. I don't know if you got a chance to watch Purdue and all that, but it was awesome.

Speaker 1: 4:07

Yeah, do I mean. Obviously ed's playing like a man possessed.

Speaker 2: 4:08

It is a little annoying that literally every time I look at the screen, he's on the foul line. He at one point, through 30 minutes of basketball, he had drawn 10,000 and committed none. That doesn't seem possible to me. But it doesn't seem possible. You know why, ty? Because it's not possible. Yeah, and also, just admittedly, I say this all the time I don't know enough about basketball for me to be like oh, those are obvious fouls. I saw Tennessee fans pissed. It's just the disparity between the fouls that are called on him versus the fouls he commits. And, like you know, you were here last week, dude I did a full, deep dive on the fouls called in in the entire first round of the NCAA tournament pepper stop, um. And it was wild to see just the differences in some of these, these games.

Speaker 1: 4:56

Because, like it a lot of times it felt like it was the ref show pretty like, pretty quickly yeah, that's one thing about college basketball I think, uh, that has just really bothered me over the last few years is it feels like it is a ref show. It's like they call fouls on everything so it slows the game so much. Um, then you have the uh, so so all right. So we got purdue versus nc state. It's a great story. I they were straight up bad during the regular season.

Speaker 1: 5:27

They just wanted a natural run through the ACC tournament to get the and hit that last second shot against Virginia. Yeah, and now here they are in the Final Four. Dj Burns has been kind of like the star of the show. To be honest with you, I wasn't even really sure who he was before this tournament, or before the ACC tournament maybe, but there was an interesting tweet that went out from Jim Nagy, who I believe is like the senior bowl guy. Yeah, let me see if I can put it on screen here.

Speaker 2: 5:57

Yeah, we got to start putting more stuff on the screen.

Speaker 1: 6:00

Love the screen, I'm going to put it on there for you.

Speaker 2: 6:03

Are you Because I don't like this part. Right now we're so far apart. It's like us emotionally look at us, wait.

Speaker 1: 6:10

Why can't we see it? Oh, I gotta, I gotta share it. There we go. Why is it? Zoomed out dummy it's not zoomed out, it's just not zoomed in um electric city right now dj burns.

Speaker 1: 6:24

Jim nagy from the senior bowl tweeted two days ago anyone else having trouble watching nc state big man dj burns and not thinking about him kick, sliding and pass pro or getting out on poles can't just be me. And then he followed up on that and said got texts from a gm, assistant gm and college director within an hour of posting this on friday night. Nfl interest dj burns is a real thing now, here's the thing.

Speaker 2: 6:50

Let's just get. Let's get into this. Okay, I want to dissect this and hear what, like, I want to hear what you think about this from, like, an analyst perspective. And then also, if you were in his shoes, one of the things that used to drive me fucking nuts about baseball. So this is it's not as bad anymore because you only have 20 rounds, but in the past in Major League Baseball you had 50 rounds in the Major League Baseball draft. So the amount of projects that would get drafted, just to take a flyer on, was really really high. And you saw a lot of kids. I saw a lot of personal friends and teammates and guys I played against that were 22 or 23, put up monster numbers, their senior year. But it was like, hey, you know what, he's a senior, he's 23. Like there's only so much ball he has left in him for he like he might already hit his prime.

Speaker 2: 7:33

So like we'd rather take a flyer on somebody that's like, younger, like you know, like it's a wide. There was, I told us before. There was a kid on our team at georg who was 6'9" lefty pitcher. He threw 84 miles an hour. He topped out at 84. He got drafted. He went to Milton. He went to Milton.

Speaker 1: 7:52

He got drafted.

Speaker 2: 7:53

Yeah, he got drafted three separate times because he was a 6'9" lefty and I think he threw nine total innings in college. But the scouts were like, oh dude, but if we could just figure out how he can throw a little bit harder and get those mechanics going. It was like dude. This is the finished product.

Speaker 1: 8:11

Anyway.

Speaker 2: 8:11

This is it, yeah, this is it? What's up, kev? All right. So here's the thing, though, this thing with Nagy, the difference between I brought up all the baseball stuff and this is one baseball for major league contracts.

Speaker 2: 8:29

those are guaranteed fully that is not the case with with uh football, like, would you even consider this? Because he's probably not going to get drafted already. He's probably at best going to either make like the d league or the g league or whatever it's fucking called now, or go play overseas and you can make a living playing overseas.

Speaker 1: 8:47

Man like you, a good living I don't know his back I don't know if he's like ever played football, but, um, you know, obviously the nfl is always looking for big athletic linemen. Right, if I was him and I had like the nfl approaching me saying, hey, we'd love to give you a shot. I don't think there's anything wrong with like he's not gonna get drafted in the NFL, but like if you, just if you could use your team as an undrafted free agent and be like, look, I'll come work out. I mean, what practice squad players even probably make 300, 400, 500 grand in the NFL.

Speaker 2: 9:20

I think the league minimum is like 200-something. I mean it's like why would you not?

Speaker 1: 9:25

Yeah. So I mean I think it's cool. Obviously he's super athletic. It's really fun watching him play basketball, because it doesn't seem like he should be good at shooting or traditionally these big centers, they don't have the skills like this guy has. So clearly he's got good feet and I'd try it out if I was him. I mean, why not? Why shut the door if you literally have the nfl, the biggest right you know, franchise or business with sports in the world, um, saying we'd give this kid a shot and he's never played at the college level you might have you get to bypass all the, all the hard shit that went into it, not to say this kid hasn't done anything.

Speaker 2: 10:03

Obviously he's a he's a basketball player, he's played collegiate level, but I mean like yeah, yeah, like no concussions, no none. He's like I haven't been in the trenches, like he's a fresh player I will also tell you this, though, in that position, like it's awesome how well he moves yeah, you gotta know, there's also something said like like that's a different body type for basketball because you're running the entire game and that's awesome.

Speaker 2: 10:26

He'll be in shape enough to do it. I don't know what he weighs. He'd probably have to gain some weight. But you're going to go into a league where you're playing against grown ass men and that bench, like like you're not going to be doing like I've ever seen, like our our basketball strength conditioning coach would do shit all the time. It one-legged stuff, alternating stuff, a lot of core stuff for basketball because it was way more important than most other sports. But you better just be lifting pure heavy on bench and chest stuff and shoulders, especially because that's a lot of destruction you're going to have there 100%, so it'll be interesting to watch.

Speaker 1: 11:01

It'd be fun to see them take down Purdue. That matchup with him and Edie is going to be really fun to watch. Um, it'd be fun to see them take down purdue. Um, that, yeah, match up with him and edie's gonna be really fun to watch. Um, who are you pulling for? Yeah, I don't know, dude. What the fuck? What do you mean? You don't know. I'm not okay.

Speaker 2: 11:19

Well, I'm not rooting for yukon okay good, they're not really rooting for purdue, Okay good.

Speaker 1: 11:24

They're good. I'm not really rooting for Purdue NC State's. A good story.

Speaker 2: 11:28

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 11:29

I'm rooting for that matchup and then I don't care who wins. How about that? That's fair.

Speaker 2: 11:33

Yeah, I think it seemed like very early on, just like last year, uconn was just going on this run. That's like Dude, they went, they're beating everyone by Illinois, illinois. They've beaten everyone, I think in both, in every tournament game last year. I think they've beaten every single team by double digits yeah, like they're.

Speaker 1: 11:53

They're really good. I mean, they're obviously an overall seed. So have you seen the line on the Bama game? What is it?

Speaker 2: 12:00

no, I haven't seen it 11 and a half and the juice is on UConn to cover. I think it's probably a good bet, man. It's like I'm sure by Thursday or Friday I'll have convinced myself that Bama can win that game somehow. But that is going to have the feel and Kev, I think, is a Bama fan, he's in here, he can probably attest to this that is going to have the feel of every basketball game before nato's that you've ever watched under bam. Like all right man, big matchup. You got kentucky and coleman, like you know. Can we pull this off and you're like in it? You're in it for between 10 to 35 minutes and the wheels fall off at some point. So we'll see, but I'm excited. Man should be like man.

Speaker 1: 12:40

If they shoot like they did against unc, they could beat anybody. I I mean Sears was incredible, so I think they've got a shot. I mean that 11.5, that's a lot higher than I thought it was going to be Dude yeah.

Speaker 2: 12:54

Illinois was like 8.5. But Illinois is also one of the top five offensive teams in the country and you saw them just struggle to even get to, even with them, to get 23-23. And when they like when it was 23-19, it felt like Illinois was doing everything in their power to keep it close. And you look at the score, you're like, oh, you would think, by the way they're reacting, they would be up, you know, six points and they're down four. And then they go on a 30-0 run which, if that happens in the Bama game, I will. What's up, kirby Smart? I will not handle that well. I will not handle that well at all. What's up, harry Legee? We've got some familiar faces in the chat.

Speaker 1: 13:32

Kirby Smart.

Speaker 2: 13:32

This is my third account, so I hope you're doing well.

Speaker 1: 13:36

So that brings me to this, which I pull credit to. Pardon my Take for starting the conversation, but they were talking about.

Speaker 3: 13:42

Bama.

Speaker 1: 13:42

No.

Speaker 2: 13:43

No.

Speaker 1: 13:43

We're not going to give them credit.

Speaker 2: 13:46

This has been a conversation for years and it's always driven me crazy. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 13:55

No.

Speaker 2: 13:55

I don't.

Speaker 1: 13:57

Okay, well, let's talk about it then. Bama's in the Final Four had a lot of success in football over the last decade, two decades. What would you give up for bama to win a championship in basketball?

Speaker 2: 14:12

okay, I want to start by saying this. I posted this earlier today. I've always hated this question so much because I think it's so stupid, because I just like I would just like you to go win all of them. Go win as many sports as you can. Tristar probably gets this. He's what's up? God fucking Ghost Mike's in here. Our UConn contingent's in here.

Speaker 2: 14:35

And also in the chat, say what you would give up. But looking at Harry LeGuy, looking at Kirby Smart, I had my favorite interaction with this question ever on Twitter a couple years ago. This dude named CFB Pat really funny dude sometimes on Twitter and he they were like I think at the time he's a huge Georgia fan. At the time Georgia was like 6-22. And people were asking this question like you know, would you give up this for bam to win a natty? And he said he goes, I wouldn't give up a fucking first down for this team to be like to win a natty in basketball. You know, like this, the question in the past has always been like what would you give up for them to make a final four? And I gotta say I always thought it was a stupid question. But now that you're in it and now that you're like in the final four, it's kind of like man, you know, it would be like it would be pretty awesome to win a national championship in basketball. It would be.

Speaker 1: 15:31

It's just going to be very so it won't be the same, so can't let's say you can't go back into the past and change what happened. But let's take this upcoming football season, for example. Uh-huh, what would you be willing to give up?

Speaker 2: 15:47

I was going to say I wish you didn't say the past, because I would have given up 1941 in a heartbeat. What would I be willing to give up? Like see that's? I mean, I would probably be willing to give up losses to all the rivals. Which is in the past. I would have never said that Like losing to Auburn is awful yeah, the past. I would never said that like losing to auburn is awful yeah, you'd be losing auburn at home.

Speaker 1: 16:05

Like I feel like when we get to the fall, though like, say, bama wins and and you're like, but I have to lock in that they're gonna lose to lsu, tennessee, auburn, georgia okay.

Speaker 2: 16:20

So here's the thing, and I'll be honest with you, tyler, if you ask me that question in September, yeah, you'd be like no, it'd be very different. Yeah, I would like I tell you what if you, if you gave me the option for Bama to beat Georgia I especially Bama to beat Georgia and make the playoff over Georgia.

Speaker 1: 16:39

Yeah, you'd take that 60 point loss. Yeah, 100%. And here's the thing.

Speaker 2: 16:45

Like I. I totally get it. I want Bama to win the national championship. I pull for him. I had since I was a kid.

Speaker 2: 16:51

I've been watching this like you know basketball since like 95. I think I've tweeted like like I remember watching this get sent home by big country bryant reeds way back in the day. The thing with this question is tough because it's like I don't know. I don't know what I would give up like. I'm gonna be pulling for him regardless. The thing that I also would say about this is dude. This thing turns into such like people chasing clout for fanhood so quickly. Like what are you gonna have? Whatever answer you want, you're not a better fan for answering one way or the other. You know what I mean and I've always said this too is like basketball doesn't mean as much for losses as football does because of the amount of games. Like yeah, that's good, mike. Um. Like because the amount of games. Like you play 35 to 40 basketball games a year in football you only get I've said it for years, you get like 14 precious saturdays, and like you know that's, it's just hard.

Speaker 1: 17:46

It's hard to trade those, but yeah, so I don't even know if I answered your question.

Speaker 2: 17:49

I mean, like I don't. What would even be the comparison for every?

Speaker 1: 17:52

now like let's, let's take your example. And we, we say that you you have to lose to georgia. Let's take your example. We say that you have to lose to Georgia, tennessee, lsu and Auburn. All four of those. No, here's the thing. Could an 8-4, 9-4 Bama still make the playoffs as a 14 seed? No dummy.

Speaker 2: 18:17

What, what, why not? If they went, if they went four and four in the conference.

Speaker 1: 18:26

The SEC is already getting. Sec and Big Ten are already pretty much. It's been said that they're going to be the conferences that gain the majority of.

Speaker 2: 18:35

There's no way an eight and four Bama team with all of those losses gets in. Because then, what are your quality? Wins Wisconsin on the road.

Speaker 1: 18:42

I mean, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 18:43

But they play Ole Miss this year. No, they don't play Ole Miss this year.

Speaker 1: 18:47

I think the main thing is this Ole Miss is a top 10 team. Huh, ole Miss is a top 10 team this year. Yeah, but they won't play Ole Miss Well, yeah, but they won't play Ole Miss Well, yes, now. But I was saying before you laughed it off, before we said that you know, honestly, are you saying winning the national title and going 8-4?

Speaker 1: 19:06

See, because all you said was take losses to the rivals. That's what I would trade. But if you could still somehow make it into the playoff and win a championship, there's no way they would do that at 8-4.

Speaker 2: 19:17

Actually it is Bama, so you never know. Honestly, I would say, as of today, I would, I would, but we'll see.

Speaker 1: 19:29

You're in the moment.

Speaker 2: 19:32

It's fun, man, it's really fun.

Speaker 1: 19:34

No, it is, it is fun.

Speaker 2: 19:36

Can we talk about this for a second?

Speaker 1: 19:38

Can we talk about?

Speaker 2: 19:38

this for a second. What's that? Can we talk about this for a second? We're both watching it as we're recording.

Speaker 1: 19:42

Yeah, it is on right now 52-49 Iowa as I watch.

Speaker 2: 19:47

If you've been watching sports at all this week, hit it Van Lith. Everybody listening. We need Van Lith over 9.5 points. All of us together need that okay.

Speaker 1: 19:56

Not just me. Drain's a three half points. All of us together need that, okay, not just me. Okay, um drains of three caitlin clark, okay, and you're I hate, we won't go.

Speaker 2: 20:04

We won't go, play by, play all right, no, so here's the thing. So this has been brought up a ton this weekend. This has been awesome like theater. I think for women's basketball more people will have watched the women or the men's tournament, for sure, because they always do. But like there's been some incredible like crowds for one and then also, um, the numbers that they put up from like ESPN, like I think, like in their first round game, like Iowa was a one seat, so they're playing a 16 seat in women's they had a 3.25 million viewers. That's awesome. That's awesome.

Speaker 2: 20:35

I did it tonight, tonight, specifically this Iowa LSU game, kalen Clark, angel Reese, like you know, this whole good versus evil that people have have kind of drummed up. This is like, in my opinion, as a sports fan, like appointment television must see TV. That's I, I, that's how I feel about it. At the same time, my one gripe about this, tyler, my one gripe if we're going to cover this and try to make it like as important as like men's sports and like give them this platform and and like that they've earned and like you know, all those things, the coverage of it needs to step up a little bit because the coverage of it is just fucking fangirling for every single segment and every single person. I love Holly Roe. I love Drea no Drea personally Great person. This whole thing and I'm mainly talking about Holly Roe being the sideline reporter specifically for Caitlin Clark and just talking about last game, about Plage Johnson's rap career and how people are giving her shit because she's a rapper and not focusing on the game, and I was like who's doing that?

Speaker 1: 21:45

Like, who is out here hating that much Does anyone say that about Dame Lillard when he's out here like a legit good rapper and like he puts out singles and shit. I don't think anyone's ever been like he's not focused enough on the game.

Speaker 2: 22:00

And if they're not doing it with him, I doubt they're doing it with LSU women's basketball. My main thing is it's awesome to watch, but also you don't need to dumb down the moment by spoon-feeding us the storylines. You think that we want to hear. It's sports and at the root of it. That's why we all love sports. It's sports and at the root of it. That's why we all love sports. It's great that you have the good. It's not good versus evil, as the LA Times thing came out with, but it's like you have a team you're pulling for and you have the villains. Any good storyline.

Speaker 1: 22:29

Yeah, and I do hate too that if we want to make women's basketball or any women's sport covered like the men's game, you also have to be able to talk about the players like you do the men. I remember last year when, when, like portnoy tweeted like classless about angel reese, people had through a fit and they were like saying that he, you know, like you don't like women, but whatever, it's just like I, I have to be able to say like I hate, I hate angel reese or I hate caitlin clark and yeah, I think she's got a trash crossover like nobody talks that way about women's basketball.

Speaker 1: 23:01

And so until then, yeah, it does feel force-fed a little bit, it's like oh, look at all the joe, we need to be able to analyze the game like it's a men's game, and then, and then, though, I think they'll finally get to that point where it's like it feels a little even it.

Speaker 2: 23:16

Just it feels like esp, like ESPN. We have our own platform now, so we're not going to get in trouble for saying it, so I'll just fucking say it we're going to get to that next. But literally ESPN. It feels like with stuff like this, they have not moved out of the mindset they had for reporting during 2020.

Speaker 2: 23:38

And the way that everything has to be influenced with strictly emotion first before sports or facts, whatever. It's just like most of you know the way I lean with stuff like that usually, and it's it's. It's almost out of character for me to even criticize, but it just it feels like a missed opportunity for what they've done so far. More missed opportunities, I would say, tyler, is us not talking about college football like we're supposed to do?

Speaker 1: 24:03

um, what do you want to go to next?

Speaker 2: 24:05

women's basketball podcast yeah, if we are the premier women's basketball podcast, that's what we've always been known as um. What do you want to get into? You want to get into this, yeah I didn't, so I want to.

Speaker 1: 24:16

I want to talk about this because I didn't see it. I saw that Bo Nix said SEC fans have an unhealthy obsession.

Speaker 2: 24:24

Let me pull up the exact quote, something I should have done hours ago Bo Nix unhealthy obsession. Basically, he was on an interview with I think it was Ryan Rosillo yeah, it was Ryan Rosillo. Um, and yeah, it was Ryan Russillo. And they they were asking like you know, what changed when you went from oh, I always have to blow it what changed when you went from Auburn to Oregon, cause you talk about a massive difference. Um, and they said what's the difference in the sec, in the pack 12. And he said the hostility in the SEC. It makes it almost like a quote unhealthy obsession Right off the bat.

Speaker 2: 25:04

So, like the way that I saw this position for a lot of people John Glasgow making just excellent points in the chat the way I saw this position by a lot of places was Bo Nix takes shots at Auburn fans. Like Auburn fans did have an unhealthy obsession with this kid, particularly because it's all the whole storyline around it. He's a true freshman. Starting at QB. His dad was a quarterback there during arguably their most successful run they've had since Bo Jackson I don't think that's unfair to say and so there's a lot of pressure on this kid coming into it and when he didn't succeed early on, they kind of put on this kid coming into it. And when he didn't succeed early on, you know, like they, they kind of put on him.

Speaker 2: 25:41

Now, if we're just being, if we're just being honest, bama fans jumping on this, piling on like, yeah, auburn fans are shitty, they're doing this. Bama fans are the same ones that made up an entire story about him having an illegitimate son that he didn't take care of. So, like you know, so that I say that to to kind of like lessen this unfair blow to auburn fans for one. And then also that's like the definition of an unhealthy obsession. It is, yeah, it is. I've you grew up in the south, I grew up in the south.

Speaker 1: 26:16

I also think there's this I also think there's this thing that, like anybody who doesn't have a team in the sec gets so sick of sec fans, like the sec chance pounding the chest about always being the best conference. So I think I think it's also plays in there where it's like oh you know, I was in the sec, then I went to the pac-12, which is now big 10, whatever. But the fans are a little weird there and look, I mean, yeah, I, we've definitely had some weird stuff. We've got. I've had weird messages from fans. You get berated by sec fans all the time. It's just all the time. Part of it is part of the culture of the of sec, but and some of it can be unhealthy, I do agree with them I like.

Speaker 2: 26:57

I don't think it's in question, I like and it's that's also, let's be clear, it's what makes part of the charm, right, like, but I think it's also um see, like Tricer in the in the, in the comment right now, like that's exactly what we mean. Um, that's a lot like. That's a lot like. That's a lot to say. So. Alabama fans are nothing more than cousin blanking rednecks that shoot opposing fan bases when they lose, all right.

Speaker 3: 27:25

Well, you know, they also shoot their own fan base too um, no, I mean like I think and that's not a general.

Speaker 1: 27:31

Every alabama fan does that, yeah every single one.

Speaker 2: 27:35

um, I, I think that it's it's like. I think it isn't an healthy obsession down here. I think, like I said, it's like part of what makes it so cool and the charm of it and it's awesome they have this kind of fans. I mean, there's nowhere else in the country in any sporting event and you could really say, anywhere else in the world. I don't know how big the stadiums are for soccer in Europe, but I mean, outside of some of these like big, big, like championship games, like you're not packing a hundred thousand people in to go see like any other sport for one and you're, you're definitely not doing it when it's something like whatever, the, the, like, the parallel, um, what do you call it? Comparison of, like Bama Vandy would be like a hundred thousand people aren't going to see Brazil play like a high school soccer team. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 28:21

Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the, since we love gambling. The NCAA president is calling for a ban of player prop bets.

Speaker 2: 28:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 28:40

They just don't want anyone to have fun with sports ever.

Speaker 2: 28:44

I, you start, you start with this one look, I, I get, I don't.

Speaker 1: 28:50

I didn't see the explanation. My guess would be they don't want. They don't want players a to have the pressure of. Look, we all have access like to anybody we want on social media. Yeah, of course, you know, with these, with the player prop bets, it's all about the player, it's not about the team or anything like that. So I can see why the ncaa wants to kind of protect these players at such a young age. They got a lot on their backs already. I have people openly betting money on them. But the second thing is it also avoids a player easily being able to throw a game yeah and I think that's what they're worried about specifically, because these kids aren't.

Speaker 1: 29:30

they're name, but they're still kids. It'd be very easy for somebody to come up to a kid who has a prop of four and a half points and it's like hey, we'll give you 50 grand as long as you go under. That could easily happen in a college game. It just happened to somebody in the NBA. They're investigating it right now. I think his name is Jonte Porter Sorry to Jonte Porter, but not you. And then you've got obviously the Otani stuff that's now becoming a big thing.

Speaker 2: 30:05

Which is like 1,000% guilty 1,000.

Speaker 1: 30:09

And it's crazy because I know the mlb does not want to ban him from baseball. He's the biggest star they have. They won't they won't.

Speaker 2: 30:16

He will have an injury very soon. Yeah, it's like, like jordan going to play baseball for a bit yeah, yeah I mean, but like but this one is like, like he will, he will have, he'll come off the. He'll be warming up one day and he will come off the mound with some and he'll like, I guarantee you, like bookmark this exact moment. He will be warming up for a game. He'll like, wince or whatever, and then grab his arm, like his shoulder or his elbow, come out and they will sideline him for three months.

Speaker 1: 30:45

Guaranteed. The only issue with that is he's not pitching this year so that can't happen this year.

Speaker 2: 30:52

What he's not pitching, well then, I wish I didn't get all hot and I'm so botched about that If he had an injury.

Speaker 1: 30:56

I think he'll start pitching next year.

Speaker 2: 30:58

Either way.

Speaker 1: 31:01

So, yeah, that's where I think they're going with this. They don't want college kids to be influenced by outside parties to throw games or anything like that. What about you?

Speaker 2: 31:14

So it parties to throw games, yeah, um, what about you? So it's it says like the. The main reason for it, which really surprised me, was the incident I said like, like what you originally said, um, it's, it's kind of trying to limit and protect players from player harassment and I like it. I honestly, I hate almost everything the ncaa does. I really do, but I don't disagree with this one, and the main reason why tyler is because, like it's too easy to get around, like it's it's too easy for them to come in and be like you know what, like, like you saw it? What's his name? He already did it. Um, the receiver from lsu kayshaun booty. He was betting on himself in games.

Speaker 2: 31:57

Name like kayshaun booty four right, right, so like it's if it's already, I don't think yeah, I mean at least he was betting the over, but it's still, I think it. It would be so hard to police, so hard to police, where you're going to have kids that are going to like people. Someone's going to show up and it's like the thing that's going to suck the most. It's going to be games that matter, like it's. It's going to be, you know, like there's never. Usually Vegas is fun for a lot of reasons. Usually Vegas is fun for a lot of reasons. Sports betting doesn't have the same charm and allure as going to Vegas, because you've seen all these like the way it can end poorly when, like you get in deep with somebody or like somebody affects the game or approach you, because then there's no getting out of it. So I honestly kind of kind of agree with it.

Speaker 1: 32:49

Yeah, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. It's just another thing that the NCAA has on their docket of things that people don't agree with. That are just like but I could see this one. I don't really do a lot of player prop bets in college.

Speaker 2: 33:07

I've thrown out some for basketball, like March Madness and stuff, and been pretty good at them, but for football, no, I don't.

Speaker 1: 33:14

I wonder if this would include things like DraftKings and Underdog and all that where it's like you're picking over-unders.

Speaker 2: 33:21

Yeah, and I have a very hard time picking the NCAA. What's wrong with my setup? Bo Blackwell, you tell me Tyler's setup looks better just because he's got a bottle of freak show up there in the back that's a.

Speaker 1: 33:39

That's McCann Merlot and Chipper Chardonnay. Is that real? That's real this is a.

Speaker 2: 33:46

What is it called I?

Speaker 1: 33:49

don't even know what you're pointing to.

Speaker 2: 33:51

I don't either, john, what you're pointing to. I don't either. John Glaskos has been able to get back to the good old days of the mob handling gambling and he's probably not wrong.

Speaker 1: 33:56

Um no, I just uh two weeks ago about the kid from Vandy which is like that's absurd.

Speaker 2: 34:04

That's absurd. You you know what. Honestly, I honestly I almost wonder if, like that guy might have been like a plant from like the incident related like hey, go get the story out here and see if you can get any legs, um, and I'm half kidding, but I don't know. I just I don't think. I don't think it would be a huge deal to not have player profits. But here's the thing I don't think the NCAA is going to have enough help and and like firepower behind them to be able to make that happen. I just don't like. I mean like there's there's a lot going against them and a lot of it's money and financially based. But if that does happen, you're talking about people like underdog fantasy that are just done like that, yeah, I mean, yeah, we'll see.

Speaker 1: 34:47

We'll see um how, how we're 35 minutes in. I think we're gonna do a 45 minute show so we could watch the end of this game yeah, probably so um you want to show a little quick, and then we'll get out of here.

Speaker 1: 34:59

We'll get one more let me share this clip I was reading. By the way, if you guys have never watched the pivot podcast, don't do it while you're watching ours, but you can go back later. It's like ryan clark from lsu, channing Crowder from Florida, fred Taylor from Florida they just have a podcast. They bring in a bunch of NFL guys and just talk to them for like an hour. Derek Henry's episode was really cool, but they started talking to him about um, like the transfer portal, because obviously it wasn't really around um, yeah, when Derek Henry was in the league or in college, um, and they had this interesting conversation here. See what you have to say about this.

Speaker 3: 35:37

Was there any time you? Talked to your family to help you through that, Because you mentioned just how close you guys were how everybody pitched in to make sure you were good. Yeah, that's so funny. We'll piggyback off and talk about Coach Burns. He came to see me in high school At the time T Rich was going crazy, so I wanted to have a question about every running back In high school, like I always get pulled out of class, and every time I got pulled out of class I'm like it's a college.

Speaker 1: 36:02

I'm good, I'm good so he came to visit me and I'll always do my business with coaches.

Speaker 3: 36:08

In my head coach office back in high school we talked for like hours and I was like ask about T-Rid, ask about Mark Engel, eddie Lacey and once I got there. I was like, oh yeah, I'm going to get down.

Speaker 1: 36:21

I ended up graduating high school early and enrolled early, so I'm like, oh yeah, I'm going to be starting out.

Speaker 3: 36:31

So when I got into practice, I'm getting wow, wow. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm going to be starting out. So when I got into practice, I'm getting a bow. I'm like why ain't you like? Why ain't you like, why ain't you like what's going on, like you know what?

Speaker 1: 36:38

I mean I understand but like, as the season went on and us finding the program because I got there with Alvin, alvin came in at the same time- Alton.

Speaker 2: 36:46

Timpeny who ended up passing away my last. I didn't know, that In October.

Speaker 1: 36:52

Tyron Jones we had a deep class. Tj was already there, king was already there, johnson Fowler was already there. We were deep we had eight guys in the whole room.

Speaker 3: 37:07

We got to practice.

Speaker 2: 37:10

You get a rep, you. You get a rep. You got a depth chart, you got to get no reps. A matter of understanding that in first situations it's not about making excuses.

Speaker 3: 37:20

It's about how you get through it. My family really just let me go on my own. I would call and complain and vent.

Speaker 1: 37:28

You ain't coming home.

Speaker 2: 37:28

I don't want to talk to you.

Speaker 3: 37:47

But at the time I was like how these kids do now pretty crazy, right?

Speaker 1: 37:50

yeah, that's pretty nuts. I wonder how many times that actually happens during the year or right after the season. How many kids actually come into the coach's office and say hey, coach, I'm thinking about dipping out. I guarantee you, it happens way, way, way more than we ever hear.

Speaker 2: 38:06

Well, especially somebody like him. It makes a lot of sense too, because it was like and tri-stars not wrong. Again they had to talk money like do you remember derrick henry's career in?

Speaker 1: 38:17

high school. Oh, dude, he was insane. There were a couple games to talk about on this podcast where he had like 60 carries in a game yeah, and like, like, like 54 carries, 4 yards.

Speaker 2: 38:29

I think he averaged like 10 yards a carry or something stupid. His senior year, like his numbers were all time, but when he came in, he came in and it was in 2013, like he was talking about. This is nuts. This is a Heisman comparison.

Speaker 1: 38:46

This was back from 2015, when they were actually playing, and it was obviously made by a Florida State fan, because it says at the bottom Dalvin Cook also had an ankle and lingering hamstring injuries. As if I'm sure he didn't have any injuries at all. But imagine having these two in the backfield at the same time.

Speaker 2: 39:00

I think that's more than yeah, I mean that would have been hard to what do you call it? Manage their carries?

Speaker 1: 39:07

for sure it would have been incredible too. He was committed to georgia. Yeah, I didn't remember that until he said it I think I think davante smith was too.

Speaker 2: 39:18

But see, here's the thing too, with like I remember this with with henry because he's huge and we obviously have like the benefit of hindsight being 2020 now. But like he was 6-3, 230 out of high school. I think he ended his career, bam, at like 6-, 6'3", close to 6'4", like 245. And I'll never forget that the week of the Arkansas game, his freshman year on Bama Online, they were just you know, I read it religiously back then they were talking about like the game coming up and I remember distinctly Travis Reier posting. He said this is the last week of the derrick henry experiment at running back, because he's got to learn that he can't just get to the corner and outrun everybody every single time like he did in high school and they he gets in against arkansas.

Speaker 2: 40:03

Bam was up 45 to nothing and they also side note that because they brought this up afterwards, that was a game where they gave up no points, had no penalties and like something else. It was like zero or whatever, um, but they put him in late in the game up 45, nothing, and he got to the corner and outran everybody for an 80 yard touchdown. I thought it was so funny because it was like, you know, I think everyone thought he was going to get moved to either linebacker or he was going to move to tight end because he was so big. It's a you know just kind of doesn't show you like I I love stories like that, where it's like it's kind of like the lamar jackson thing playing quarterback, where it's like you know what, like I know what I got here, I know how good I am with, like at this specific position and that's where I'm going to be so yeah, it's um.

Speaker 1: 40:47

If you have time, go check that podcast out. Derrick Henry seems like a great guy. It's cool that he's on the radio. That's going to be a pretty potent offense. Speaking of potent offense, this is our uncensored moment of the week I saw this story circulating.

Speaker 1: 41:08

And then, of moment of the week, I saw this story circulating and then, of course, everyone's fan favorite, antonio Brown, had to take it to the next level. He is on fire on Twitter. I don't know if he's running his own Twitter, but something's going on here and he's just going after everybody. But anyways, he posted this. So these conjoined twins got married to this guy no, no, only the one, only the one.

Speaker 2: 41:39

Yeah, that's, that was the whole. That's the weirdest part. Besides, I'm so fascinated by this, from like how it started, like it's just, it's just. Are you, are you just not reading this for the first time? Yeah, read it for everybody, like, because everyone had questions. This guy, this, this very plain normal looking dude, married, can join twins and he married. He like he married one of them, he married britney. Um, also, they're on Twitter under Brittany and Abby Hensel with the name. Two Heads Are Better.

Speaker 1: 42:17

Fair.

Speaker 2: 42:18

Which is amazing.

Speaker 1: 42:19

Everyone is asking we're just going to tell you yes, I have sex with my husband. Yes, I go down on him. Yes, my sister Brittany is there. Yes, my sister and I orgasm as one. But when I sleep with my husband, she's usually reading a book or listening to a true crime podcast, so she just puts the pleasure out of her mind. That is one of the most insane things. Like the visual of that, of this, like you can see the picture there, like she basically is just sitting there reading a book. That is well, she only has one arm, so she's like this dude, it's.

Speaker 2: 42:59

The fact that they do it together is is odd. His smile is also terrifying yeah, because it's like really into it. Think how did they even get addressed? I just have this whole process. I have questions on this whole process. But them having conjoined heads and then her saying she listens to a true crime podcast. I love that she said it. It was like this moment where in my head she's saying I'm just like you guys, I love true crime podcasts. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1: 43:30

Curl up on a.

Speaker 2: 43:31

Monday night cancel my plans. Feel so great listen to a true crime podcast.

Speaker 1: 43:36

Yeah, she just orgasms in the middle of it. But because she's listening to true crime podcasts, she just puts it out of her mind.

Speaker 2: 43:45

What kind of mental issues would you think you had if, as you were having an orgasm, you also heard somebody saying like all right, mate, remember the, the golden gate killer from the australian guy? And he slashed that from behind. I was like, just like the height of like, like I tell you what not once in my life have I ever come during a law and order svu episode. But that's exactly what this sounds like, and that's a lot.

Speaker 1: 44:12

Her sister's kind of a perv. I'm going to be honest, I'm going to say that I guess so Abby's the one that married because she said Brittany is there. Of course she's there, it's her body. What do you mean?

Speaker 2: 44:26

Also, what does that say about Brittany? He walked up to her and he was like hey, I couldn't help but notice you from across the room.

Speaker 1: 44:34

You have two heads, but the one on the left is the one I'm really interested in yeah, I don't like you, I don't like your tone, so you just, I mean, obviously you stay here, but I'm interested yeah, we look the same and, and literally, are the same that there are real questions about the husband and I think we're gonna see some come out about this guy. You, you put your, you, you marked otani's suspension. I'm marking this guy getting arrested somehow for something weird. I'm just calling it now yeah, like the fact.

Speaker 2: 45:08

How is this legal?

Speaker 1: 45:10

I guess it is, but I'm thinking you'd have to get married to both of them. All right, she just can't get married now. What are they going?

Speaker 2: 45:21

to do yeah, is that like a beater to the punch type happens? I think so, that's.

Speaker 1: 45:28

Chance Pope just asked. Yeah, Chance Pope just asked in the chat. Now she's forever single.

Speaker 2: 45:34

This feels like an SNL skit, if she did get married and then these two men fighting over you just touched my wife.

Speaker 1: 45:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:43

I mean smart move by him. Listen, Bed Bath Beyond always sends us 20% buy one, get one free coupons. That's basically what he did, but with a conjoined head all right.

Speaker 1: 45:55

Well, let's get out of here. We appreciate everyone tuning in um. I will not be on the show next week. I will be in augusta, georgia, for the masters. What that's?

Speaker 1: 46:04

monday practice round, uh, and staying the night in augusta. So I don't know butler will be on in my place or what, but we really appreciate you guys tuning in every week. Obviously, go give us five stars on Apple and Spotify. If you haven't already, leave a review. If you've already left a review, leave another one. It'd be great. Like and subscribe to the YouTube page Forth and Wrong. We will be having the call-in show at at some point. I don't know if we're gonna do in the off season or we'll start it back up in the fall, but, um, that number is 770-674-8233.

Speaker 2: 46:38

Anything else, uh, I made the intro, evan, it's not to make a copy of that, by the way I'm singing happy birthday right now, tyler.

Speaker 1: 46:44

Well, thank you, evan. That's slightly strange, but I appreciate it.

Speaker 2: 46:48

Um very nice of you all right, chris.

Speaker 1: 46:50

Uh, for chris, I'm tyler, we will see you guys next week. Slightly strange, but I appreciate it. Very nice of you. All right, chris. For Chris, I'm Tyler. We will see you guys next week.

Speaker 2: 46:59

All right, good work, dude.