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NFL Draft Recap, Spring Games out West & UGA Cheating?!
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Prepare for a full-contact exploration of the NFL draft's hottest topics, including the Atlanta Falcons' bold quarterback pick and its impact on team dynamics. You'll also get the scoop on the SEC's draft dominance and the latest stir-ups in the college football transfer portal. And for our baseball fans, you won't want to miss our Uncensored Moment of the Week.
This episode tackles the gridiron from all angles. From the Falcons' potential quarterback controversy involving Kirk Cousins to the nuances of owner influence on draft picks, we're breaking down the plays off the field that shape the game. Pivoting to college football, we applaud Keon Coleman's move to the Bills and dive deep into Kirby Smart's Georgia machine. We also take a critical eye to the NFL's farm system—the SEC—and question the surprising draft results for big-name programs. Plus, stay tuned for our analysis of the weekend's high-profile spring games and the implications for the upcoming season.
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Falcons' Quarterback Conundrum and Draft Analysis
Speaker 1Outro Music . What's going on everybody ? Welcome back to Forth and Wrong . We are on episode 8 . Today is April 29th 2024 . Today's episode we're going to discuss the draft in whole Some obviously shocking picks , discuss some moves in the transfer portal . We're going to talk a little cheating in baseball , what we're going to dive deep into the draft with a bunch of graphics that Chris has made for the pod and we are going to look at some early 2025 mocks . We're going to talk about some spring games from this past weekend Still spring games going on which I didn't really realize until I started seeing highlights .
Speaker 2No , but it was like all the Pac-12 games and stuff .
Speaker 1Yeah , the conference , that doesn't exist anymore .
Speaker 2Pac-2 . Yeah , I guess it's Big Ten now .
Speaker 1Thank you guys for joining in live . We will let the chat build up here as we go live . 830 here on a Monday . If you haven't yet thus far , go give us a little like and subscribe . Maybe hit the notification bell so when we go live it goes right onto your phone . You can tune in . Join us in the chat , the award-winning chat chat . It won an award , chris , did you see that ?
Speaker 2no , what did it win ?
Speaker 1best chat , that's good that's , I mean that's like as good as you can get for chats . So uh , evan grimes in the chat again . Thanks for for showing up evan . This time you are not the first commenter . Again , thanks for for showing up evan . This time you are not the first commenter . What sandman ?
Speaker 223 sandman , let's not drop the r word right off the bat maybe not ever , but definitely not right off the bat as our intro , um . But yeah , we're gonna talk about some the bills , the , the bills that was a weird draft they had , so I get where you're coming from . That was like they just kept trading back a little bit . The Bills handled their first pick of the draft the way I used to handle us starting a show .
Speaker 2Just give me that five more minutes , just that five more minutes and I'll figure it out , I'll figure it out , and then you'd be like , hey , just fucking tell me whenever you're ready . That's the Bills when is ?
Speaker 1the hockey game . You've been watching these hockey matches , uh I can't say that I have I currently have the yankees and orioles on gross . Um , orioles are fun to watch , man , their , their roster is ridiculous . Yeah , very young , yep um , all right , so let's dive into this draft first . Yeah , because man , the falcons really upset people so well .
Speaker 2When's the last time we talked ?
Speaker 1like we were texting day of the draft when it was happening but like on here , it was like right before the draft , right oh , yeah , yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , it was like it was like 30 minutes before the draft and you , you kept saying I'm here , they're gonna trade for a quarterback . I was like there's literally no fucking chance they trade up for a quarterback the falcons yeah , and of course , against all odds , they found a way to trade up for a quarterback .
Speaker 1I just we don't need to beat a dead horse first of all , they didn't trade up , so let's get that out of the way right . Yes , that is true , they just were so shitty now they did trade up for in the second round for a guy who most people had going in the fourth round , so we can't totally absolve them from trading up to do something stupid . They just took their first pick as it lied there at the eighth . Now I totally get the negative side of it because let's just say everything goes to plan .
Speaker 1For the Falcons . They say , look , cousins , is our guy . There's going to be no problems in the locker room . So let's just let's take everything Best case scenario here . No , no problems , kirk cousins is healthy . They're not going to be picking up top , chris , for the next couple of years . It's going to be so good . Right , we got to take the quarterback now . So they say , let's take the guy that we thought was the best talent , maybe outside of a Caleb Williams , and we'll just let him sit for two years .
Speaker 2The Kirk contract is basically two years for a hundred million , and then you can let him go for decently cheap , or it's four for $180 million and he's wildly successful and all of our dreams come true . Which is a Falcons fan ? There's zero chance that happens .
Speaker 1It would be great . And then , within all that , pennix ends up being like the next patrick mahomes , like sure or or maybe not even maybe he's not . Maybe he's more , I don't know . He's not a mobile guy , so maybe he's not josh allen , but upper echelon quarterback right yeah that would be fantastic . The problem is is that it rarely seems that what the Falcons think is a smart idea ends up being a good idea .
Speaker 2So let's backtrack for a second and talk about the history , the recent history , of how badly this franchise has fucked up the quarterback position . Matt Ryan , who just signed a one-day contract to retire as a Falcon Love the move , Love the fact that Matty Ice does not have any ill will against us as a franchise , but let's also keep in mind this is a dude . They were like , hey , listen , our most success we've ever had ever had has come with you at the helm . We built a sustainable franchise around you .
Speaker 1It's not your problem that we didn't . We won the MVP that year Like dream season .
Speaker 2So 2016 happens . We all know it's 28-3 , all that kind of stuff . But then in like the end of his career , when you don't sign Julio and let him retire . Here and now , julio is bouncing around philly and the titans and , I think , with tampa bay one year , like all those places . You don't do that , what's up ? Harry loogie ? Um , you don't do that , then you ? Then you don't give him any help , right ? Um , you don't give him any help at the skill Cordero Patterson has been a running back for this team recently .
Speaker 1Yeah .
Speaker 2So it's also . It's not like Cordero Patterson , who was a wide receiver and really good special special teams player . He was your running back and it wasn't like he was your running back when he was 24 and you were at a pinch you just made that a decision that he was going to play . Now I'm just like I'm on a soapbox . I'm pissed , but like going back to the quarterback situation , that makes it so stupid . You could have re-signed matt ryan . You could have re-signed matt ryan and then take that bridge .
Speaker 2Yeah , right , and taking desmond ritter or or billy willis , when I thought that you should have taken him in a very , very bad quarterback draft . You could have done those things . Let them sit , let them develop , because you knew damn well they were not going to start , they weren't good enough to start in the NFL right away , but instead you flirted with Deshaun Watson and then botched that , which is I'm glad you did , because that guy's the fucking worst they'd be in a much worse situation had they actually signed him .
Speaker 2But the fact that you flirted with him so poorly and then let that cost you Matt Ryan staying , and so he goes to Indy . You don't get Watson , which again that's great . But now you're just sitting here and you're like , well , I guess we'll get Desmer . I guess Desmer's going to start . Tyler , taylor Trevin , whatever his fucking name is . Haneke is like your best quarterback on the roster last year .
Speaker 1Hey , chris , let's backtrack even more . Before that , they signed Mariota and he quits in the middle of the season . That also happened , then it's widely bantied about that . You may go after Lamar Jackson and totally change your franchise . They come out publicly and say we have no interest in Lamar Jackson . None at all . Desmond Ritter is our guy .
Speaker 2There's not a better fit for the city of Atlanta for the current quarterbacks than Lamar fucking Jackson . And they were like no , we're good .
Speaker 1Yeah , we got're good . Yeah , as the , as the Ritter . So gave up on him after a year of starting , which they probably could have .
Speaker 2Part of this feels like it's my fault that I jinxed it , because I said over and over and over again , like last week I said on radio check out my sick ass tattoo , I'm getting another one on Sunday for my birthday . By the radio check out my sick ass tattoo , I'm getting another one on Sunday for my birthday , by the way . No , probably not . I thought , I was going to get prodigal dad , if we ever get pregnant , but that's a bad idea Anyway hopefully she's not awful .
Speaker 1That vibe out there that you guys would get pregnant Probably shouldn't have said that .
Speaker 2No , so anyway . So all that happens , right , all that happens . And then you're sitting in the trap . I said this all the
Concerns About Falcons' Draft Choices
Speaker 2time last week . I love the idea of taking a quarterback and letting him develop and sit and learn the offense . And if you have the patience to do that example , who did it right ? Thank you , allie , in the chat for sure Good In college , the best example we can get to , and a team that we're going to talk about a lot on this episode .
Speaker 2So just please sit through and stick it out for this rant . But , georgia Carson Beck , there's not a better example of what it can look like if you are not in a rush to become a bust . And I say all that to say Penix was there and you took him because you were so high on how good of a quarterback he could be . But the value of where you got him you could have just done so much more . But the value of where you got him , you could have just done so much more . You could have traded up and got another first rounder , especially if you were going to shit the bed on the rest of the picks for like a second and through like fourth round , or you could have traded back and still got a defensive player because the first one didn't go until pick 15 or something like that , and then still got Penix later in the first round .
Speaker 1So I don't agree with that part . I think Penex would have been taken by the Raiders .
Speaker 2Okay .
Speaker 1So if you wanted him , this is where I agree with a lot of people that are negative about it . I'm actually fine with the Penex pick in a vacuum at eight , because I do think that he has the potential to be the second best quarterback in the draft at the end of the day , and I also liked the Cousins signing in a vacuum . But when you're Pinnock it's kind of weird .
Speaker 1Now we'll see how it all plays out . Pinnock could end up being the guy in two years and they're like , wow , everyone's going to forget about the Cousins thing . Wow , they were right on that . But given the track record of the falcons , I could probably safely say something will go horribly wrong here .
Speaker 2Um yeah , you know , a lot of people have made a third acl we didn't know he had located in his throwing shoulder a lot of people made the good point that cousins is not going to be in otas .
Speaker 1He's coming off an achilles , so penix is your starter in otas . Like what if he now ? It's a good problem to have , but what if he pops off ? These guys are like why are we ? Why are we gonna have this ?
Speaker 2right . What if we create a quarterback controversy after sinking 100 million dollars into kirk cousins ?
Speaker 1this motherfucker's coming in dressing in cole's gear and we got pennix slinging around in the lot and you know it's like that could happen . Now that's a good problem to have , kind of um , well , if you have a young quarterback , that's . Everybody wants that , but sure uh , you're wondering hey , maybe he is like the best and they could just go trade cousins . No , cousins actually has a no trade clause , so can't trade them okay , here's .
Speaker 2Here's the other thing I I got . My reaction to this was I was very upset and like I hate to be that person like like , there's always somebody on draft dance oh no like you saw the the raiders guy who got roasted because his reaction to the brock bowers thing .
Speaker 2I'll tell you what fun fact that guy was right about his reaction to the Brock Bowers thing . I'll tell you what fun fact that guy was right about his reaction to Brock Bowers being governed . Brock Bowers is probably a top five player overall in this draft . I can't think of a team that would need him less than the fucking Raiders . You have Waller still , I believe , at tight end and you also still have Michael Mayer .
Speaker 1Waller yeah , but they did just draft Mayer last year right .
Speaker 2So all I'm saying is I don't want to be that guy overreacting to a draft pick , even though we spent the first 10 minutes talking about this .
Speaker 2But , like , what pisses me off is you everyone . At the very least you might not be able to get in the head of a GM or like the draft or whatever , but you at least know the needs of every single wants and needs , just like that fucking Drake and Lil Baby song . You know the wants and needs of every single team in the draft . And then what you also know is because I forgot who said this to me they were like well , you know , at least Cousins was on board with it , because they wouldn't have done it if he wasn't . I was like oh no , no , no , like I jokingly said . They said what do you think his reaction is going to be ? I said I bet he's out of fucking brewsters right now getting ice cream . His family has no idea . Turns out they called him as they were on the clock to let them know this is what we're doing which is a shitty thing to do .
Speaker 2as a franchise like I , I don't care if you paying him $100 million , he might not care . That's a shitty way to go about doing business . That's just a shitty thing to do .
Speaker 1I have been steadily beating this drum and it's not great . It kind of reminds me of the end of the Bowden years , to be honest , where it's like . Clearly the issue is that he's super old and he's not running things the right way anymore . So you hate to disparage the man , but it's also . I feel the same way about Arthur blank . I was watching cover three podcasts before we came on and Tom for Nelly said he's heard within you know circles that blank is the one that made this move . Like he told Fontenot and Raheem , I want Pennix at eight . Now I don't know if that's true . That's what Tom Fornelli of Cover 3 Podcast said . But it seems like there's always just so much going on with the Falcons off the field . That isn't good and that comes directly from the top .
Speaker 1Yeah , and also like Arthur Blank is a great man . He's done a lot for the city of Atlanta For sure Heanta sure a lot for people in the city of atlanta is that he obviously home depot smash success pga superstore love it uh well , the the two dollar hot dogs in the third third level of the building , love it yeah , in mercedes-benz um , but the falcons have been a disaster do you know ?
Speaker 2what else I love , though , is when you have wants and needs , and your wants and needs are a defensive end , because you've been dead last in the entire NFL in the last three years in sacks Right as a defense with 81 . So you know you have a pressing concern . Well , at least , at least in the second round , go up and get somebody .
Speaker 3They also talk about the quarterback .
Speaker 2Like there were quarterback , there was cornerbacks available in that position . Cooper DeGioia was out of reach .
Speaker 1Kool-Aid was there too , wasn't he ? Wasn't Kool-Aid there in the second round ?
Speaker 2Yeah , because they both went after the Falcons who traded up at 35 to get a . What was it , tyler ?
Speaker 1A run-stopping defensive tackle Defensive tackle I just whatever .
Speaker 2We don't have to talk about the Falcons the whole time .
Speaker 1Let's talk about like teams that actually draft well .
Speaker 2I love what the Cardinals did , but they also had like a volume amount of picks Like I mean they were just throwing up shots , basically Like they had . It would be hard for you to fuck up a draft with 11 players .
Speaker 1Yeah , they got Marvin Harrison and Darius Robinson from Missouri in the first round . In the second round they got Rutgers Corner , which , I'll be honest , I don't know much about them . Third round obviously love my guy , trey Benson . Two guys from Illinois . Actually they had four third round picks . Yeah , it is kind of hard to screw up when you have this many . They got Xavier Thomas , who you know .
Speaker 2Xavier Thomas , who I watched play in person at the 2018 National Championship , just got drafted . Yeah , you're crazy .
Speaker 2The other thing I did not like was and this is just me being petty and I'll admit it it you see the logo on the hat , that's fine . I'm not going to spend a ton of time going to bat for mac jones . We can call him a bus , we could say whatever . I will say this if we're going to talk about mac jones being a bust , let's also discuss the fact that you did nothing to put anything around him . You're the greatest franchise in the nfl over the last 20 years and you did nothing to put anything around him . You're the greatest franchise in the NFL over the last 20 years and you did nothing to put anything around him and build around him on the offense for one Two .
Speaker 2I've never heard of this and I'm shocked because I talk about it a lot when I bring up Mac Jones . I'm shocked that this has never been brought up or hardly has ever brought up . The Patriots were the only franchise I've ever heard of . Matt Jones made a Pro Bowl his rookie season . The second season they brought in a new offensive coordinator and it was a defensive coordinator . They let Matt Patricia be the offensive coordinator . I've never fucking heard of that in my life , but now I love the fact that they go out and they get Drake , may and then just offensive weapons and offensive line galore , like they just that was the whole focus of the draft . So maybe they learned their lesson , I don't know . Or maybe maybe they just they're doing the right thing .
Speaker 1I definitely think it's going to . It's an interesting time frame If you're a Patriots fan , since you're used to so much winning , and obviously the last few years hasn't been great but they're about to be the dregs of that division for the next couple years .
Speaker 1I feel like the Eagles are the best drafting team in this Ever Ever . So it's probably just pure luck at that point , but they pick 22 . They get what most consider the best corner off the board because nobody was drafting defense . And then in the second round they're like oh , cooper DeGene , who a lot of people thought was going to go first round and actually has a lot more value now with these new rules of the NFL kickoffs , he's just going to be sitting there at 40 . We'll trade up , grab him . We'll grab Will Shipley , we'll grab Aeneas Smith , jeremiah Trotter from Clemson , johnny Wilson my guy , yeah , dude , I mean they just like my big name guy from big-name teams works out , but it seems like it does for the Eagles .
Speaker 2Yeah , again . Oh my God , the Lightning just had their second goal taken away . Ally's a big Lightning fan , anyway , but she also just broke up with me because of my comment earlier .
Speaker 1So yeah , we'll go into that . So single now .
Speaker 2We're here again , guys . We're here again , no , so let's also talk about like what we know the most about , which is not nfl stuff we're not going to pretend to get into like draft grades I thought , I thought the draft grade thing was weird because the lowest grade I saw for mel kiper was a c for
College Football Draft Picks Analysis
Speaker 2the falcons .
Speaker 1That was the lowest grade yeah they got the lowest grade pretty much every recap I watched .
Speaker 2Of course that makes sense , but there's not an F or a D , just a C , which seems like it's not drastic enough , I guess . Then I also saw on PFF . Pff , I did a graphic for our old Brutu Dan about the AFC South and four teams one got a B+ , the other three got A it just seems like it was very . I don't know if there's a curve this year . I don't know about the grading , but that's all . Let's talk about some of the other stuff . I sent you all the graphics . Can we bring them in here ?
Speaker 2Let's start with the conference . Obviously , this will get into the recap of some of the stuff we were impressed with conference . Obviously this will get into the recap of some of the stuff we were impressed with . We're at 18 straight here . The SEC finishes with the most players drafted . They finished with 59 , which was the first time . They haven't had 60 since 2018 , I believe . But that's not right . How do you do this every time ? How do you take that thing off ? I sent you all of these via text and that's what I'm showing . All right , it's not even the right graphic .
Speaker 1So you want to control it no , I hate everything this sucks . Give me some time . All right , just put in the right graphic .
Speaker 2So they had . They had the most draft picks um out of every . Of course it's a comment now um , they had the most draft picks at nope um out of any conference uh also like like shout out to the pac-12 , like the way this has happened the last several years .
Speaker 2It's like the big 10 is second , usually acc is third and then it's like big 12 , pac-12 . Pac-12 is like always like at the very bottom . Pac-12 , I think , finished second or third and in the in all three of the other um major conferences pac-12 , big 10 and acc finished within one of each other . Now the big 12 um shout out South Texas . I thought it was very interesting . This is something we've seen several times now in the last little while , which is hey , there you go .
Speaker 1Let's talk about the SEC draft picks .
Speaker 2Yeah , we'll just go back to this , all right . And the next one , tyler , I want you to bring up Just have it in the queue . The next one I want you to bring up total draft picks by team in general and cultural . So this was by the SEC , so , surprisingly enough , alabama finishes with 10 more than everyone else . How about Mizzou finishing with ?
Speaker 1six , which was , yeah , no team on the rise , and they've still got a lot of draft-eligible guys on their roster next year too .
Speaker 2And these were a lot of defensive players too , which is very surprising . Auburn I thought auburn had one . I definitely had my fun with auburn because at one point in the draft they had zero , zero draft picks , uh , through the first two days and they didn't have one until the fifth round . Um , yes , takoda makes a very good point , which we'll get to that as well , um , um , but at the uh the situation for for auburn , they didn't have a single player drafted in the in the um until the fifth round ends up , they get , I think , three total players in their secondary drafted . They have a kid uh , I think it was dj james , I believe that got drafted to Seattle , which pairs them with another Auburn cornerback . So that's pretty cool to see .
Speaker 2But there's a lot of value in some of those picks . They had , too , the first CB . I'm not going to try to pronounce his name , I think it was Nehemiah Pridgett . That was a 6'1" , 190-pound , prototypical-sized cornerback that ran a 4.6 and somehow slipped to the fifth round after being a starter in the SEC . So I think there's a lot of value from there . Man , tennessee just surprised because we're now this is going into year five of , or year four or year five . I think it's year four of Hyville yeah , I think it's year four . I mean just kind of surprised , like you're the line that they were on Ole Miss and Mississippi state , I just I just was kind of shocked with it .
Speaker 1What year is Napier going into his third ?
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1One draft pick .
Speaker 2And it was okay to his credit Cause , like Billy Napier dudeier , dude he's he's been getting shit on by everyone and I and I get it like , like I just I don't have enough interactions with florida fans to to understand the hate , but people hate them online and they don't really help themselves out like most fans do don't , but like they , like I mean people are really basking in in the waning uh success that is happening . I wouldn't even say waning , because it's just not successful anymore , but like only one draft pick uh from this year's team , tyler . It was the only . It was one of the players he brought from Louisiana . It wasn't even a recruit to Florida .
Speaker 1No , he actually didn't even bring him from there . It was Ricky Pearsall . He came from Arizona State . So look , I'm not going to sit here and bash . I mean , florida State had 10 players drafted and a lot of them were transfers . But , that's the name of the game , but like if you're going to be bringing in transfers probably bring in more than one that can get drafted .
Speaker 2Yeah , show me you know what . Go to the george thing real quick . I think this is a . This is a really good point . I genuinely hate to piggyback the napier slander off this , but the development graphic from like , I thought this was really interesting and I and I understand that amy m Mitchell ended up at Texas . But when you talk about bringing in and evaluating talent , I thought this was extremely , extremely interesting , from how good of a job George did . Now , listen , it's easy to bring in five stars and win . It's the name of the game in recruiting . We all know that . By the way , next episode we're going to have this thing fucking figured out . I should have done it this week and I just botched it .
Speaker 1We'll figure it out . We'll make this so it's bigger and then take away this , so they can't see it .
Speaker 2Behind the thing there's some of the bottoms I don't want to see . Also , it's grainy and I don't understand why , so I just need to tinker with it . It's like georgia we just talked about , like florida , I tell you , another really good example of this is clemson . Clemson , specifically on the offensive line , just does not recruit really or develop talent on the outside . I think they had one player drafted off the offensive line in , like since dabbo's been there , um , and it was like a second . That's like that's insane , right , like that's . That's really , really bad .
Speaker 2Um , I know they only had one drafted inside the top like five rounds , which is again like they don't recruit heavily there and they've had success , but like there's a reason why that success seemed like it was in a very small window and they they weren't able to sustain it . Um . But you look at georgia and on the on the left is where you have their recruiting ranking out of high school , brock Powers at 59 , again , that's like from what I remember Harry , feel free to correct me , but it wasn't like you came out with the rankings at the start of their junior year or senior year and been like , hey , this is the 59th best player . That's like a diamond in the rough type situation that they found tape on in Napa . Kirby even said he's like how is nobody recruiting this kid , ladd McConkie ?
Speaker 1you look at his national ranking right Tomorrow last year 1,147 overall Insane , 34th overall in the draft .
Speaker 2AD Mitchell , not a top 247 player , ends up being a starter . If you remember , a remember Eddie Mitchell came out and was a star in the spring game and then during the season , like it , caught a touchdown pass in that championship game , caught one against Michigan , arguably not a more clutch skill position player in the in the in college football over the last three years , when you look at the grand scheme of things , and they played against elite talent , javon Bullard , a kid from Millersville , georgia , three-star , 526 overall . Again , the only one that went down that had a lower draft grade than initial recruiting ranking nationally was Amarius Mims and he went from 15 to 18 . And again , I talked about this on Thursday . You want to talk about putting something in your back pocket Like you , absolutely like a Trump card reverse . You know whatever you want to say for Kirby smart to go into a kid's home and be like hey , do you want to see why you should go to university of Georgia ? Marius men's started eight games . You got drafted 18th overall , like , that's like .
Speaker 2And then , by the way , here's the , here's the evals we did personally as a , as a coaching staff , on all these other players and here's where they end up going in the draft , not like we brought on a shit ton of five stars . We brought on all these , like you know , top 100 players here's . Here's where they were , here's where they got drafted . I tell you what , tyler , that's one of the most impressive things I've seen , I feel like in quite some time . Like that's that's just because george is also in a position or a place now where they could go get the pick of anybody . That's a five-star and they committed to their evals and bringing in a guy like Ladd McConkie and Javon Bullard especially Super impressive .
Speaker 1Yeah , you know it's going to be interesting to follow Mims . I feel like obviously everything sticks out about him physically , but the fact that he's barely played , I just I don't know , We'll see .
Speaker 2I don't really I'll say this from a fan standpoint Like he flirted with leaving to go to Florida State , somehow gets Florida State in trouble .
Speaker 2Yeah , and I stand by everything I just said , for how impressive it is with Kirby and him being able to bring him back , but , like , those are all the things that he did initially right . And then you talk about the fact that he didn't play against Bama they lose and he was like if I would have played we would have won , which was hysterical for me . This is the pettiness out of me , and maybe he's not even wrong , but he says that Saban made a couple comments about his consistency or inconsistency as a player and he didn't really like to hear it . We've seen a couple of Georgia players that have gone early and have not fared that well . A majority of them have done extremely well , especially early on . We've seen a couple Isaiah Wilson's one who I it's like more of a mental health thing , and then who's the receiver that got in trouble for like robbing someone at gunpoint ?
Speaker 2that receiver defense back deandre um , deandre baker oh yeah yeah , um , but you know , I mean I hope hopefully the best of this kid . Uh , this I thought was really interesting for a number of reasons . Tyler Michigan ends with the most draft picks . You tell who were the best six teams in the country .
Speaker 1last year I'd probably go with Michigan , Texas , Washington , Florida State and Alabama . I'm just kidding , Georgia's obviously up there as well .
Speaker 2Yeah , I was just reading off the graphic there , which is and like it's , really impressive . Those are the teams that were able to develop that quickly .
Speaker 1You know like there's been a lot that's being made now with NIL and the portal .
College Football Draft Discussions
Speaker 1I think there was only one G5 guy that was drafted in the first round , Quinn Young or .
Speaker 2Mitchell .
Speaker 1And Saban actually came out maybe Brody and Slip , maybe not , but he was like we tried to get him , to get him in the portal and come to us . It's like hey , bro , that's tampering , and that's why he left , because he's like I can't , I can't do all this shit .
Speaker 2I don't know if he was admitting everybody , everyone .
Speaker 2He was admitting everybody . I mean everyone . I don't really give a shit if he was not . Like what was ? What was crazy to me was he was saying that and then like because they needed , they needed another , like they needed safety . Jaylen key , who was mr irrelevant um , he started a bunch last year in the back end at safety for for alabama . Quinn and mitchell would not have been a starter at that corner over tehrana Kool-Aid . This is probably the best that he didn't go there . I thought it was like dude Texas . Texas is a team that we've ad nauseum talked about how they just underperformed and they didn't less with more and they had this recruiting fertile ground in their backyard . They just never get these top recruits and they know they don't like . I think texas only had like one offensive player drafted in the last , like like before bijan robinson in the last like 10 years .
Speaker 1That can't be right , but I like trying to think if you honor , connor did a big piece about it .
Speaker 2I'm pretty sure that's what it was Texas .
Speaker 1What I didn't realize that Devondre Sweat got drafted by the Titans in the second round . He got a DUI the Sunday before the draft . How did he do that ? He was also . He has a known alcohol problem . It was brought up in pre-draft interviews and he still went out and got a dui and still got drafted in the second round . By the way , that's smart . Just go ahead , put him in nashville , I'm sure it's . It's a . It's a low key town . There's not a lot going on there .
Speaker 2Yeah . That kid could have benefited from being drafted to where Minneapolis yeah , green Bay would have been best for him for sure . Honestly , we're never going to make fun of a substance abuse problem that somebody has on here , especially me . That's tough , I feel like at least this every , I feel like at least once every couple months . Tyler in this day and age . How do you get a dui within this day and age with uber ?
Speaker 1yeah , especially if you've . Yeah , it's tough . I mean , look , I'm not gonna hate on duis either , because I know plenty of people that have them . Yeah , the problem is , chris , when you have too much to drink , you get a false sense of confidence . You're like I could drive home , it's fine , and usually you're wrong . Um , so , uh , yeah , so I thought that was interesting . Um , what else was it ? As a ?
Speaker 2floor graphics there's .
Speaker 1There's tons of topics in there as a florist state fan , I was fired up to see keon coleman go to the bills , because that's like you want to talk about a ready-made like you could get in the Pro Bowl in your first year . Like go to Josh Allen . They have no receivers . Diggs is gone . Gabriel Davis is gone , so I was happy for him , and his press conferences have already been off the charts .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1He's funny as well . And being in Buffalo that's a place that's like , like you can become a cult hero in buffalo oh , 100 ways . All right , which one you want me to show next , chris ?
Speaker 2because there are um let me see , let me see . Well , I don't know what all I say . So go to the curvy one . Okay , go to the curvy one . We probably should have done this after the george thing , but this is . I put up this graphic last year and it was like 55 total players that have been taken under curvy smart um in the draft in his first seven years , which is far and away more .
Speaker 1Uh , I thought you were talking about this curvy one you can bring that .
Speaker 2I'll start with this one . You are fucking killing me on the graphics . I should have queued them up and put them in order , because we have like 87,000 that I put in the brand . I need the leads .
Speaker 1It's on me . Okay , you sent me these graphics at 8.27 pm .
Speaker 2It was later than that , I'm pretty sure , because we were coming on here .
Speaker 2Of course Should have traded back man , she pulled bills , uh okay so one of the crazy impressive things , um , from this weekend , kirby smart , now george , I think with two players drafted in the first round . Kirby smart has his first round draft picks and totaled at 17 total losses in eight years as a head coach is 16 . We've seen that with Nick Saban , obviously during his time in Alabama . I think Ryan Day there was a bunch of . I put out this graphic which I just thought was crazy impressive . Yeah , thank you , dakota . Crazy impressive , like because eight years is like you know , we're talking about nearly a decade and he's putting out more first not draft picks , first rounders than total losses . Ohio state fans were like all of their feels about it . They're like oh , come on , ryan james , the same thing . He's got 10 and only eight losses . I'm like all right , well , you know , give him some more time . Kirby's also been doing it against nick saban and the toughest , like dude . Five of those losses are to nick saban .
Speaker 1That's crazy , that's insane , I mean think about this for a second .
Speaker 2This can be a whole deep dive . 16 losses for Kirby right . Five of them were his first year . Okay , Five were to Nick Saban . One was to 2019 LSU . So that's 11 of the 16 losses .
Speaker 1I mean what's , what are the other ?
Speaker 2ones Huh .
Speaker 1What are the other ones ? Do you even ?
Speaker 2know ? Yeah , I do . I mean you want me to get into them . 2017 , auburn they got beat by 23 . They were the number one team in the country . They got beat 4-17 . 2018 , they lost at LSU by 20 when they were favored by 7 . That was an Edward Brown team . Then they lost to Bama in Atlanta . 2019 , they lost to 4-8 South Carolina at home in double overtime . Then to LSU . They also lost to Texas in a bowl game . 2020 , they lost to Bama and then Florida when they had a 14-point lead but couldn't stop a wheel route and lost by like 44-28 or 30 or something like that . Then , 2021 , they lost to Bama . 2023 , they lost to Bama . 23 . That lost to Bama . So how about this ? How about his last five losses ? Three to save him ? One to 2019 , lsu and then one to the best Florida team that's not won a national championship .
Speaker 1In a fake year right , Is that ?
Speaker 22020 ? Anyway , but this is an insane stat . They also , cbs , put out a graphic today in , like the first eight years not overall , but the first eight years at a program kirby smart has put out 63 draft picks . Savin had 48 at Bama . So I mean you're talking about dude . The pace that he is at , the pace that he is at right now , is insane and like dude Saban's first eight years in Alabama 07 , 08 , 9 , 10 , 11 , 12 , 13 , 14 . So he won three national titles in those eight years . I mean , comparatively , the trajectory of where Kirby's going is .
Speaker 1And you think about it . A lot of that success that Saban had is mainly Kirby too .
Speaker 2I will actually fucking kill you .
Speaker 1I love how the Falcons did the classic Falcons move where they drafted a Georgia player in the seventh round . See , we draft Georgia players .
Speaker 2They only heard it three years too , man .
Speaker 1Before it was even worse . I've never even heard of the guy they drafted out of Georgia , to be honest .
Speaker 2Who was it ?
Speaker 1Logie or something . He's a D tackle .
Speaker 2Oh Logue .
Speaker 1Loguege , loge , yeah , yeah that's a good pick .
Speaker 2Probably could have probably should have traded for the second round to go get him .
Speaker 1To be honest , yeah , um , yeah , overall , man , it's the crazy , the numbers . Like you had two nba playoffs on during the nfl draft and the draft just crushed them and and ratings there was 150 000 people two hours before the draft even started . They're there at the draft . Yeah , like the nfl is is just so beyond every other sport when it comes to fan interest coverage . I mean it's insane .
Speaker 2So how about this too ? Let's and we probably should have opened this earlier like shout out the city of detroit . Yeah , I mean like that's . That has been a like a butt of jokes , I feel like nationally for a long time . Even they've like tried to , like you know , upgrade the city a decent amount , like I know I've made fun of detroit a whole bunch like that is 700 000 it's .
Speaker 1It's them in Cleveland . They just take it all .
Speaker 2Yeah , but Cleveland is like there's nothing in Cleveland . At least you're not getting your hubcap stolen in Cleveland as much as you are in Detroit . But Detroit again . Remember our buddy from our very first year of doing this , our fantasy football guru Tyler Del Duca from Flint Michigan , michigan . He was there once . Beautiful this time of year especially yeah the flowers dying yeah , yeah , yeah , the .
Speaker 1How cool is that to see Terry and Arnold drafted in Detroit by the Lions , like that was cool , like .
Speaker 2Detroit we talk about .
Speaker 1If I was going to pick one team , that's Sione Vahki , the guy that played both ways for Utah and he's just a beast of an athlete it would be Detroit . That's just a Dan Campbell guy .
Speaker 2Yeah , Other takeaways ? How about this ? The first player drafted in the seventh round ? I don't remember his name , but he came from the university school of NFL University over in .
Speaker 1Oh , in England .
Speaker 2Yeah . Yeah , there was a guy and Jeff Williams is kind of in your koozie , by the way .
Speaker 1Jeff .
Speaker 2Williams sent me that koozie and I have it sitting in the other room like an idiot and I meant to put it on for this episode . So I appreciate that , jeff , I apologize .
Speaker 1Yeah , they were cool . So when you went through the line they were just sitting on the register . Five bucks , oh nice . They could slip right around the cup or a can .
Speaker 2A little too big for this McUltra , it's a Magnum koozie . That's cool man . The first part of the draft was this NFL England something . It's like this school that trains . The whole point is for you to go train , develop and try to get to the league .
Speaker 1It's like an even bigger IMG . No school at all , you're just doing football .
Speaker 2And it's strictly for the NFL and so it's like I mean fast track getting drafted . So the first player drafted was some in the seventh round . He was 6'7" , 303 pounds . He ran a 4'7" , 9" . He's like a former rugby player , tyler . I'm telling you , if I was a gm , every single pick I made in the seventh round every year would be somebody like that , a samoan like . I don't even care if you played sports , it just could be like moana's uh friend , whatever the rock was . Somebody like that . Or or a punter from Australia . I'm strictly going .
Speaker 1NFL EI center from NC State . Who's that ? The basketball center ?
Speaker 2Yeah , DJ Burke .
Speaker 1Yeah , exactly , I thought it was a great draft . I mean I was happy to see Florida State get 10 guys in . I actually thought it would be a little bit more than that . But yeah , man , I'm excited to finally see Florida State get back on the board . It's been a few years since we've had a nice little run .
Speaker 2Can we talk about one negative thing for the draft besides the Falcons that I can talk with ?
Speaker 3Please .
Speaker 2Second round . Never thought I would have to say this about the NFL draft . A little bit too many Germans , too many Germans involved in the second round . Yeah , what are we doing ? It's just so forced . It's like up next from Germany they're picking for the Atlanta Falcons , and it's like up next from Germany they're picking for the Atlanta Falcons . And it was like and then it's not a good German accent . I don't really know what they're talking about .
Speaker 1Yeah , they had the first pick or one of the picks maybe of the third round . I think it was a German guy in person Fan of the year . Yeah , fan of the year From Carolina . He's like pound it . Yeah , fan of the year from Carolina , he's like pound it .
Speaker 2Hey man , I don't know why we're getting German so much FaceTime . It hasn't been that long ago , so maybe we'll back you up on that . Maybe we wait until the century marks pass on those atrocities before we let them be involved in the NFL .
College Football Spring Game Analysis
Speaker 1All right , what do you want to pivot to next couple of spring games ? There weren't many left over the weekend , but singles transition out of this .
Speaker 2Okay , I think we could just be very brief on this . So there was a couple of uh , spring games out west . I think washington had their game , oregon state , oregon oregon had a nice turnout , by the way . Um , one thing I thought was funny was oregon oregon had a touchdown from dante moore and it was like dante moore takes it to the house from 65 yards out and it was like the most make-a-wish kid touchdown , like he drops back , he like runs up in the pocket and everyone's like and he and they , just , they just let him keep going and he scores , and they're like , what like ?
Speaker 2maserati mars no , so oregon , oregon had theirs . Um , I will say this and we can get to this later as we get close to the season the person and player that I think is the most overrated player in the country right now bottom , and I don't even care how this sounds . The amount of stock that people are putting into dylan gabriel as being an elite prospect and an elite college world quarterback for next year , I think is we need to pump the brakes a little bit . Like I understand that he's a good college quarterback , I don't think he's a first round draft pick for one .
Speaker 2Two , did I miss something that Oregon ? I know they got Evan Stewart . Do they have just a fuck ton of weapons that they didn't lose ? They lost eight to the draft , including several key offensive players . Why don't we just assume that a defensive coach out there going into a new conference that'll be tougher than any conference they played in in their entire program history is all of a sudden going to waltz into not only like Heisman contention but also the cultural playoff condition as well . I think it's a little bit premature no , it's a good point .
Speaker 1I mean , I don't think Gabriel had a great year last year like he was good , but not , it's not like he was some program changer . I mean Oklahoma , what they end up with . I know he's injured some of the year , but they had what ? Four or five losses uh , no , remember .
Speaker 2I Remember I was wrong about this Because I thought they went like seven and five . They won ten games last year .
Speaker 1They won ten games last year .
Speaker 2Yeah , we keep fucking this up , I mean . So his numbers are actually really good .
Speaker 1I went under the radar a little bit . He's a totally fine quarterback Now . He also is in a very friendly system .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1That he will not be in anymore . He's in the . I don't know if they did the dink and dunk offense at Oregon because of Bo Nix's limitations or that's just the way they roll . I'll have to look into that over the offseason to see what those numbers look like . As far as stretching the ball down the field , you don't have to do that in Oregon's offense , or at least in the Bo Nix position . So he could still be good because he's pretty accurate , like , and that's how Bo Nix was too , you know .
Speaker 2So he finished last season with a 69% completion percentage 3,600 yards , 30 touchdowns , 6 interceptions , 87 QBR , which is fourth in the country . All of those numbers are good . What I'm saying to you right now is there's a reason why , one that Oklahoma was totally fine in a year . They're going to the SEC , like in a year . It's not make or break . But it's like . You better put your best foot forward . You only get one first impression All those cliches .
Speaker 2You're going into the SEC . You need to be as fully fucking loaded as possible and you let your quarterback walk to start a freshman next year Jackson Arnold , and Jackson Arnold is very talented . He's a very talented kid . I think it'd be a lot of fun . But you're making a long-term investment based on like , like , with all of those like like parts of the equation that were involved . You just can't convince me right now that dylan gabriel is like some world beater and again , the numbers are great . He did it in the big 12 , which is like , notoriously , the shittiest defensive conference in the country . So I , I just I'm a , I'm very hesitant on dylan gabriel . I still think dante moore from everything we've ever seen from oregon quarterbacks , I feel like dante moore Moore is the guy that fits not only his scheme but fits that personality of what we've seen from Oregon quarterbacks .
Speaker 1Yeah , you got to imagine . Gabriel starts the year and , depending on how it goes , I always thought it was weird that him and Dante Moore . It was like the Falcons moves , yeah , Except they . Well , I guess , NIL , you've got to pay him now too . But it's like you brought in Gabriel and they're like , oh , we're also going to bring in Dante Moore and he's just going to sit on the bench Right . But hey , it does pay . Sometimes they have two talented quarterbacks ready to go . The other one , one , and it's it's the one I made the actual banner for um .
Speaker 1Now listen , rayola , slinging this little pigskin around the rock a little bit . I don't know that it makes sense , but uh dude . I mean so from what I heard , like a lot of defensive players out for this game very much skewed towards the offense . But it's nice to see when you bring in a guy that is such a has so much hype coming around him that the dude is just throwing the ball all around the lot . Yeah .
Speaker 1Yeah so he'll probably just transfer to Georgia at some point anyways , right you gotta get into the Rashada thing , rashada transfer , alright .
Speaker 2So here's the thing . Rayola , our buddy , jd McHale , talked about this and I think JD is great , does a tremendous job . He said it best and what he said was like let's stop with the bullshit . He didn't say bullshit , he's a really good dude . Um , he's like josh pay with hair , but he was like he's like . Basically , he's like you know , let's just call it what it is like , let's just get all our cards on the table here . He's the starter and he should be like this has all the makings of what you want to resurrect a program .
Speaker 2This is I hate to use this example , but christian hackenberg going to penn state . It's that level of hype and I understand that hackenberg didn't lead them to anything great . But you know , his freshman year , where he came out and then , like you know , lit the world on fire , was like , like you know , it felt like he kind of saved the program from where they were at and they were at a much lower place , especially off the field , than nebraska has been . But there's something to be said for having a freshman quarterback especially . That is like a number one ranked recruit , the highest recruiting program history , from a very proud program , right Like him coming in and having a game where he throws for 239 yards in the first half of the spring game .
Speaker 2I fully get that . It's a spring game . Nebraska didn't have a quarterback throw for more than 200 yards in a single game last season . This kid comes out in the first half of his first live appearance and he throws for 239 . I think that's . I just think that's super like big for that program am I overreacting to that no , no , I mean because let's let's be honest .
Speaker 1So if it went the other way and he came out and was terrible , everyone be talking about that too . So , yeah , you'd much rather have it this way . And , let's be honest , I I'm actually .
Nebraska Football and Early NFL Projections
Speaker 1I would like to see Nebraska take a step forward in the pantheon of college football . I mean , it's been a long time since they've been relevant at all and , I'll be honest , I like them better than Penn State , just on a personal level .
Speaker 3I'm not a huge fan of .
Speaker 1Franklin , you had all the weird stuff that happened there in the early-late 2000s .
Speaker 2Well , first off , we don't need to get into this , but it was happening since 1973 , and you fucking swept under the rug until the late 2000s . We don't have to get . There's no better team that should have ever lost their college football program than Penn State .
Speaker 1Yeah , and they've got a die-hard fan base . I mean that you have is no better team that should have ever lost their college program . Yeah , and they've got a diehard fan base . I mean they saw their spring game Like it . It probably goes on notice by a lot of people Cause no one really cares about Nebraska , but like they , their , their fan turnout to pretty much everything is almost second to none . I mean they have a ridiculous fan base .
Speaker 2I think it's almost gotten . I think they've done a ton of praise for the football stuff because even when they were super shitty , they were selling off spring games . The most impressive thing I've ever seen , maybe in college sports , from a fan base , is the three I can think of that . We talk about the most Nebraska spring game when they were 4-8 . 2000 or 2001, . South Carolina who sold out every game but they went 0-11 . The fact that Nebraska had like 80,000 or 83,000 fans show up for a volleyball game , a women's volleyball game , that's awesome , like that's just so cool .
Speaker 2Okay , so that was the spring game stuff . We don't need to get too into this , but the early mocks for next year have already come out , which feels crazy . Um , and I will I also say this it almost feels like these are never right they're .
Speaker 1They're so laughable when you go back and look at them , like if you were to go back and look at a early 2024 mock .
Speaker 2I'm gonna do that right now yeah .
Speaker 1Because I know CBS Sports says Shador Sanders is the number one pick .
Speaker 2I don't know , I think that's the best betting odds and they have Travis Hunter as the number two pick .
Speaker 1Who , travis Hunter that ?
Speaker 2one does make sense .
Speaker 1You can see it for sure , I know you hate him , travis Hunter plays both ways in the NFL . I don't know you can identify it . For sure I know you hate him he's got a funner .
Speaker 2Play both ways in the NFL . I don't know you can identify as anything . Now what are you talking ?
Speaker 1about that's true ?
Speaker 2Okay , here you go . Nfl first round projections . Heading into training camp , I'll read you these in order Tyler . Number one Caleb Williams . Oh , there you go . Number two Marvin Harrison . How about you pull up on your own and you tell me this is not bad ?
Speaker 2number three olu fashanu , who was a top okay four drake may , all right , they have fifth to the falcons , dallas turner . They have fifth to the Falcons , dallas Turner . Brock Bowers to the Titans at six . Joe Ault to the Commanders at seven . Now Jared Verse at eight . He still went first round right . Yeah , he was still a first rounder , Emeka Igbuka , who came back to school so wasn't even eligible Kool-Aid at 10 . And I still don't understand how he wasn't a first round pick pick um jt to uh to him .
Speaker 2Came back to school . Now , this is the one dude , this is the one ohio state .
Speaker 1Having all these guys come back to school good for that . Ohio state is my favorite to win the national championship .
Speaker 2um , this is the one that I think it stood out the most Kalen King . Kalen King from Penn State who was a surefire projected first round draft pick and he was drafted 251st overall , third to last pick of the entire draft . That's where he went . Mason Smith at 13 . He ended up going 48 . Jc Latham at 14 . He went right around there . Roma Dunze , cooper Beebe from Kansas .
Speaker 1State . I think he was a first-rounder , wasn't he ? No , but he did get drafted .
Speaker 2He got drafted high . I'm pretty sure Xavier Worthy first-rounder , Jerzon Newton , who was a oh , he was , yeah , Chop Robinson .
Speaker 1Yep , he won the first round .
Speaker 2Ooh Jeremiah Trotter at 20 .
Speaker 1He won the fifth round .
Speaker 2Michael Hall went very late . Yeah , they had him at 21 . Or Rondé Gadsen from Syracuse .
Speaker 1I don't know . He came back and is still at Syracuse One of the more strange things .
Speaker 2Wow , donovan Jackson from Ohio State ? I don't know .
Speaker 1Denzel Burr from Ohio State ? I don't know .
Speaker 2Denzel Burr from .
Speaker 3Ohio State .
Speaker 1I feel like Donovan Jackson might be the most common college football name of all time . I have no idea who that guy is . I'm sure he's great . People told me he played for Michigan . I've been like , okay , yeah , safety .
Speaker 2That's really good , that's really smart . Jatavian Sanders , who fell in the second round . Kingsley suamati uh . Whatever from byu um the second round uh .
Speaker 1Andrew mccuba , who was a safety at clemson by the way , kingsley's , whatever his name is um , that was the one that they made jamal charles read off , when he , like , doesn't really know how to read , which is tough .
Speaker 2That is tough . He's got a disorder apparently .
Speaker 1I know I'm not making fun of him . They sent him out to make that pic . I can't even read that pic . That's me .
Speaker 2You're a notoriously bad reader . I think everyone on the show knows that there's private chat and there's also the comments . People comment all the time . Tell us in the chat um , uh , think about reading skills . Yeah , reading skills . Um , okay , braylon trice from washington , I don't remember him . Did he come back ?
Speaker 1uh braylon rice got drafted by the falcons there you go third round . Third round third round .
Speaker 2You're right right , malik , uh , malik neighbors . Barrett carter , who definitely came back and projected first round next year , and then kaylin bullock , uh , from something so honestly . Oh . And leonard taylor from miami . Dude , the miami , the miami , yeah , that was really cool anyway
2025 NFL Draft Prospects Analysis
Speaker 2. Um , let's get into this year way too early for next year you go ahead . Leave the way . I've talked way too much on the spot all right .
Speaker 1So they got shador sanders number one overall , travis hunter number two . Then , for all you georgia fans out there , michael williams number three to the patriots . Uh , harold perkins four feels rich . I know that he's obviously got the talent , but it seems like for two straight years we've been wondering where the hell he is yeah so that's just probably a pure talent first year is great uh jt tui malau from ohio state at five , carson beck at six . First quarterback taken right .
Speaker 2No , I think , carson beck . If there was a way to put money in this carson beck's a top 10 pick , I would . I would , I would jump all over .
Speaker 1I would too . Let me ask you this as much as everyone's worried about all the Caleb Williams , what's he get off the field ? He's kind of a weird guy this , that or the other Shador Sanders to me I'd be more concerned about having just having to deal with weird stuff Again , not getting arrested , but just weird . Think you're better than everybody , type vibes . The talent's there for sure , but do you worry ?
Speaker 2about that with Shemar at all . Yeah , way more than Caleb Williams . And here's one of the reasons why Caleb Williams seems like and maybe it's because we've seen him more they brought this up when he got drafted . Caleb Williams is really the first product we've seen from the NIL era . That's like a product of the NIL era . That's what they said .
Speaker 2I disagree with that . I think it is Shadier Sanders . Because here's the thing Caleb Williams has been a five-star quarterback . The number one recruit came in , took the starting job from another guy who was picked to be a first-round draft pick at Spencer Rattler at the time and a starter for a year and a half at OU . Like he came in , took his job , followed Lincoln Riley to California , like they've said , over and over Bryce Young , who I am a huge fan of and always will be . If Caleb Williams was drafted last year he would have been the number one picked in .
Speaker 2He's had this under-microscript type stuff for a very long time . He's been rated very highly and considered and regarded very highly . For a long time . People put shit on him . When Southern Cal doesn't win and they go 7-5 , it somehow falls on him . I haven't ever heard that with Jeter Sanders . Jeter Sanders is . He's , in my opinion , the first real product of the NIL era , because and maybe I'm wrong about this and I don't know the kid and maybe this comes off as wrong but you want to talk about the first product from the entitled era of NIL . It's Shigeru Sanders , a kid that was , who followed his dad . I don't remember him being super heavily recruited .
Speaker 3Obviously , he was right so he goes to .
Speaker 2Jackson State . Then his dad just fucking nepo-babies his way into the starting job at Colorado and he was probably the best quarterback they were going to have . But they said from the beginning I'm bringing my luggage and it's's Louie . He's going to be the starter . So he starts put up decent numbers . But , dude , if there's a program and a player that has gotten more unwarranted praise versus the actual success they've had on the field , it's Colorado and Javier Sanders .
Speaker 2And that may sound harsh it was his first season in Power 5 , whatever . But like there's no part of me that looks at that kid and thinks that guy is going to be a leader of men in the locker room from day one . The kid that went and ran to the fucking end zone and after an overtime win against 1-5 Arizona State , pointing at his wristwatch to a bunch of college kids , like bro , fuck off . Like that is . That is so fucking ridiculous . Like the flex . It the flex of a student athlete running to a bunch of of actual students to show off how much more money , and like tangible materialistic things he has . Maybe I'm overreacting . I thought that shit was fucking ridiculous . I thought it was ridiculous and I thought it's . There's not a more blatant sign of arrogance in your , in your character as a kid than what he did there , and I'm probably getting in trouble for saying that that's .
Speaker 1That's exactly what I think I'm actually going to double down on this , because I could actually understand it if you came from a product where you came from nothing and now you have something . This kid grew up a multi-millionaire Right , so , like to me , you could have . Even if we weren't in the NIL era , you could have been yeah , look at my rollie . Whatever you want to say , it's like okay , dude , your dad is the best corner to ever play in the NFL . Like cool , you have a cool watch , dude , and you just beat a terrible team .
Speaker 2They were 1-5 . They were 1-5 .
Speaker 3Also .
Speaker 2Tyler . Let's say this Like he opened for Lil Wayne this weekend , like he has been the highest NIL valuation All of those things I will say once , once again . I am so fired up that he has the opportunity . That is cool , as when I was in college I remember going to see kanye at bonnaroo and I I worked like security for bonnaroo for the first few days flex dude , I mean bruh I saw kanye bonnaroo before he was like like Kanye .
Speaker 2No , he was definitely Kanye , because he pushed off his fucking start time from midnight to 2.30 . Then from 2.30 every 15 minutes all the way until 5.50 am and then played a 45-minute set and it was really , really upsetting , but that was the coolest thing I did in college . The opening for Lil Wayne is an incredible thing . Remember I was supposed to fucking host the halftime show pre-taping in 2018 at the national championship and open and introduce Imagine Dragons and Lil Wayne . I didn't get to do it . So maybe this sounds like sour grapes . I think it's awesome that he got to do that . I really , I really think that's cool and I think it's awesome he's gonna got to go and make five million dollars , mainly because I know from what I've seen in him as a quarterback he's probably not worth that . That guy in the bottom right of the screen right there , carson Beck , probably worth it . Probably worth it . Probably going to go win a national championship or at least play for one next year .
Speaker 1Shutter Sanders five mil for six wins , five wins , a milli per win . Will Johnson , the Michigan corner , at seven , seven , I mean , these are obviously like they have carson beck going to the broncos at six who just took bo nicks in the first round , but I don't think the teams matter as much . Uh , denzel burke from ohio state , another ohio state player . Uh , at eight , cam ward . This is where I feel like sometimes they just throw quarterbacks in there like Cam Ward was supposed to be . He . He turned everybody down at first and said I'm entering the NFL draft , and then he was like no wait , I'm gonna come back to college .
Speaker 1I'm guessing he didn't get a first round grade now right , there are players like uh one Michael big Phoenix energy that probably didn't have a first round grade last year .
Speaker 2And kind of Side note like I would almost guarantee you that if , if , if cam ward was told how this list was going to play out this year . Like oh , he would have been a draft ticket quarterback for 135 picks between 12 and one 50 or whatever . It was like he probably would have entered Also .
Speaker 1Also , next year's crop is much less talented yeah , that's a smart move .
Speaker 2Um , we talked about that for the draft , tyler booker 10 , which I love . I've seen that all over .
Speaker 1Keep going , don't try princely , uh from former uf player that's at will miss now at 11 . Qu . Quinn Ewers at 12 . Dante Corleone , fantastic name , fantastic O-lineman from Cincinnati or D-lineman from Cincinnati in the first round .
Speaker 2I'll be in the Jets .
Speaker 1Yeah , seriously , another Ohio State player , rebecca Abuka . Noah Thomas , texas A&M wide receiver , interesting . Donovan Jackson , yet another Ohio State player , at 16 . Tyleek Williams yet another ohio state player . Uh , at 16 . Ty lake williams , yet another ohio state player . D tackle . Benjamin morris we don't have to list everything . Barrett carter's a nice player from clemson . Evan stewart , elton banks . Denver harris yeah , denver harris shown to say he's a first round pick . He's played at texas a&m and lsu in his first two years and he's played at Texas .
Speaker 1A&M and LSU in his first two years and he's played in five games . He played in five games last year . I don't know about all that .
Speaker 2Josh Dobbs reentering . Josh Dobbs reentering the draft and getting taken by the Packers .
Speaker 1Hey , there's your boy , Jalen Milrow , now let's talk about this .
Speaker 2That's what you wanted me to get to . If Jalen Milrow is a first round pick , tyler another ohio state player , by the way do ? Me a favor , while I'm on this , go back and pick or go back and count how many ohio state players who's at ?
Speaker 132 quinch on jenkins okay wow , surprising .
Speaker 2Um , okay , go back and count how many ohio state fans or players there were . One the reason why it's in question , or like surprising to me if you remember going into this year , they had as many as seven first-round draft picks projected by a lot of different sides , and they also had a majority of those players on defense .
Speaker 1Yeah , seven again .
Speaker 2Seven here , which is that would break the record , which is crazy . Jalen Milrow yes , there might not be . I would potentially , as a fan , talk about like trade If you offer me Jalen Milrow , who I have seen projected in multiple other drafts , being taken by the Saints in the top 10 to 12 picks . If that happens , I will be insufferable . You want to talk about bringing up receipts . I will be fucking CVS just printing as many receipts as possible .
College Football Draft Talk and Announcement
Speaker 1Kalen DeBoer just had one of his quarterbacks go in the first round this year .
Speaker 2Who .
Speaker 1Kalen DeBoer .
Speaker 2They had 11 players or 10 players .
Speaker 1But the quarterback , I'm saying first-round pick .
Speaker 2Yeah , okay .
Speaker 1Not controversial dude . Everyone thought that was the pick .
Speaker 2I'm very high on Jalen Melrose . Everyone knows I've gone to bat for him and put up all these different graphics about it . He's not a first-round pick , is he ? He's not a first-round pick .
Speaker 1I don't think . So I will say he's going to be throwing a lot more in this system . With DeBoer he's going to have the chance to prove it . That's a good point . Yeah , we'll see . You know , it's always fun . I , these drafts , these early draft mock drafts , are always remember when Matt Miller last year wasn't bad .
Speaker 2I will say yeah , it's not bad at all . Matt Miller , who's like a respectable draft person , remember he had Fromm as like the number one overall player going one year like way too early . Alright , last but not least , this has been a long episode . I feel like I've talked way too much again . I appreciate you guys joining us . It's been a lot of fun . Lots like this always feels like the last , like hurrah , really , until like summer , because there's , like you know , everything else is for the next , all the spring games are over , draft is over , combines over .
Speaker 1Yeah , the the . This is beginning to . Until we get to like mid-July , when you start having SEC days , it's tough to get the content going .
Speaker 2But here's the thing and I'm glad you brought this up , tyler , because we are starting a daily show and we talked about this in the last episode . That was kind of the whole purpose of what we wanted do for fourth and wrong , before everything happened with SDS , um , where I was going to do a daily show like five minutes that are 10-15 minutes of just talking about what's going on in college football or college sports in general , blah , blah , um . Really excited , we're gonna start doing it . We're gonna probably get some like weekly guests on um . Drew Butler will be one . We'll have like a show with them . I've got a couple of show ideas . But yeah , we'll have a daily show .
Speaker 2It'll come out every night at 8 pm Eastern on the dot . You'll be able to watch it on YouTube , on the YouTube channel Forth and Wrong . So make sure you , like I said , go subscribe there , make sure you tune in . It'll also be live on Facebook and It'll also be live on Facebook and Twitter as well , every single night , monday through Thursday , at 8pm . The Monday show might still be at 8.30 , but every other night it'll be at 8pm . Friday it'll be a special Brunch 11am episode . So I can enjoy my Friday nights , wake up with Chris . Hey , how do you like your eggs ?
Speaker 1Guys , have you guys checked out the latest safety damage picked up in the portal ? This guy's a monster . He's from Chattanooga .
Speaker 3Why is that ?
Speaker 2the example you used for me . No , we're most likely going to be talking about college basketball recruiting . His family is finishing with about three plus no , but it'll be like I said . So the schedule will be everyone listen up Monday , 8.30 , tuesday , wednesday and Thursday at 8 pm and then Friday at 11 . This week we have tomorrow we have Chris Phillips from SEC Unfiltered Tomorrow at 8 . On Wednesday we have Mike Bratton , sec Mike from that SEC podcast . Thursday we'll have Drew Butler I believe he might be traveling and then Friday we'll have Barrett Salee on as well . So we'll have guests on all week , 8 pm every night until Friday at 11 am . Let's get into the Uncensored Moment of the Week .
Speaker 1Okay , which one are we pulling up ? I've got two . Are we talking about the baseball cheating scandal ? That was really just kind of ravaging the nation at this point .
Speaker 2This is from the deep dive earlier that I fucked up . This is what we're talking about . Do we have the John Boy video ?
Speaker 1We have the John Boy video . We could just play the video and then react .
Speaker 2Let's do that .
Speaker 1All right . So this , Chris , I'm going to get this set up . Why don't you set the scene All right ?
Cheating Scandal in College Baseball
Speaker 2So this weekend Georgia is playing at Texas A&M Wild wild weekend Okay , I believe the last game , or maybe it was the first game with a doubleheader at one point . Like Georgia had , they scored nine runs in the first game with a double header at one point . Like georgia had um , uh , they scored nine runs in the first inning against number one a and m has written number one in the country right now and the reason why this is also a cool matchup this weekend a and m's right number one in the country . Georgia has far and away the best player in the country , charlie condon , um , who hit his 29th home run this season , which is crazy so I didn't know that he was a walk on .
Speaker 2I ? I've heard that . I didn't know that either , but he's going to be the number one graphic . Like he's . He's incredible , but that kid . So it gets a and M like great matchup . Like George , like I said , they scored nine runs in the first inning one of their games . They lose 19 to nine in that game , but Saturday night I believe it's saturday night there is a video that services at some point the following day and a georgia pitcher , evan grimes . I want you to uh , to chime in here and tell me if I'm wrong about any of this . A georgia pitcher who's getting ready in the um and uh , what do you call it ? He was getting ready in the bullpen . He squatted down in the corner . Now evan already says he was taking a piss . Let me tell you what I peed outside today . Today , tyler , I peed outside on my walk back from the gym . I peed outside today . Never in my life have I if I squatted down to pee in that way ever .
Speaker 1Okay .
Speaker 2So why ?
Speaker 1don't we just go to the tape ?
Speaker 2Oh , you don't want me to All right , yeah , okay . I'll just go .
Speaker 3George has got a one run lead on the number one ranked Texas A&M bottom of the eighth inning . The fans have a beat on the bullpen because they just got film on this guy . They knew to take out the camera and start filming because the reliever he's actually a starter but he's relieving in this game Maracna goes to the corner falling in love with the wall . You're going to see his left hand . Just go behind that pole , scrape something , put on the glove . Go behind the pole , scrape something , put on the glove . He stands up and he's just putting it on the lace of the glove , lace of the glove . And then you can see his fingers afterwards . They're a bit sticky , they're a bit sticky . What was that all about ? All right , he comes into the game . He's got an inherited runner . The tying runs on first , he breathes , gets in there and number two on A&M single . So now there's no outs , go ahead . Runners on first , doesn't matter , strike one , doesn't matter , strike two . And now the one-two pitch is fouled back . That's important . That means we get a new ball . So the umpire gives the catcher a new ball . If a guy is using stuff to doctor the ball , this is when you go to see if he's doing it because a brand new ball's in play after foul balls , he gets it . What's he do ? That's when you go to check If you want to do this later on and they cut to the batter . But then you can see the picture and straight to that spot on the glove with the right hand , feeling the glove a little bit likes it , likes the way it feels . Then high fastball , nice ride on that pitch gets the strikeout for out one . Now , what does sticky stuff do ? Well , it sticks your fingers to the ball which allows them to just stay on there as long as possible and really rip it down to get that extra spin rate which makes it stay on the same plane for longer . Uh , just that extra spin rate .
Speaker 3Next batter comes up , another foul ball , another new ball and and yes , you're gonna go right to that spot again to make sure this new ball is loaded up and feels good 1-0 pitch . We're locked , we're loaded and little breaking ball 78 miles per hour in there for strike two Fastball doesn't get it a little too high , brings it down a little bit . Strike three Out number two Look at the action here . Look at the elbow it's kind of actually jarringly gross . And then look at those fingers just stuck on that ball Rips through it . The spin rate is just a little extra giddy . Up on the fastball .
Speaker 3Next batter comes up Slider , strike one , fastball , strike two and high fastball again . The high fastball Catcher's pumped oh , let's fucking go . He's back out there . Bottom of the ninth . He's got a lead to protect Strike one . Back out there bottom of the ninth . He's got a lead to protect . Strike one , strike two , strike three , high fastball again . That ride . It's nice , that's what . That's what the spin rate and the sticky stuff did in the majors as well . That high fastball just became alive . No foul balls in the ninth inning . He just mowed everyone down to get the win and close it out . Let's fucking go . Come on , baby . Let's fucking go . Fuck yeah , baby , fuck yeah . Let's go . Come on , baby . Pumped up about it .
Speaker 2Sticky fingers all right , so first off john boy , if you guys don't follow john boy I , I urge you to do it immediately . He is so talented and it's awesome what he's been able to build . Um , what he , his whole thing , is like he . He will see these moments in baseball games primarily , and it and he's like he reads lips , it's like he can read lips . So he , like he . It's like you know , when someone gets thrown , thrown out , he's breaking down the ins and outs of what they're saying back and forth . So here's the thing , man , I'll tell you before Georgia fans get mad I'm someone that cheated playing baseball . Okay , so that's right , I took steroids .
Speaker 2But I remember having this phone call a couple years ago with my best friend , jeff , and I said hey , man , I don't understand , how is everyone throwing so hard ? And he was like it's , it's like this weird thing . Now it's like like 90 used to be the benchmark , now it's 95 , 98 , like you know , 100 , and you have all these people especially like 98 plus is like fucking gas man , like that's like what smoltz used to throw . And we thought it was like like , how do you catch up with that ? Now everyone in college is throwing that a d1 , which is insane , right ? Um , the video is very damning and and it's because everything that he just pointed out , which is like he's going like all of the things like the next steps that you would do in the process of cheating , with what he was doing , he was doing , yeah , and and it's weird Cause it's like it's not a guy , that's like struggled , like he was averaging 1.5 strikeouts like per inning as a , as a pitcher .
Speaker 2Before this weekend he had 51 . Oh , yeah , total Cause he's cheating , right , well , right , well . I mean we think , but like maybe it's just this weekend , I don't know , but it's very obvious and the whole thing that I remember saying this to Jeff , I was like I don't understand how . Like I just brought up to you like we've seen Ben Joyce , the guy from Tennessee a couple years ago . We've seen all these other starters Jack Hags from Florida's lefty throwing 97th , the kid from LSU schemes last year all these guys where it just seems like 95 , 98 , 98 seems to be the new norm for pitchers and guys sitting over 100 a lot . Did you notice what that kid was staying at ?
Speaker 1Well , I noticed those high fastballs were about 95 .
Speaker 2They were between 92 to 95 , which is fast , but that's not unhittable and it's not Especially 92 . Right , and the reason why that's so difficult is the spin rate , which it might not be going 95 , but if you have a spin rate of 2,800 to 3,000 RPMs , which is usually what happens when you have a sticky set of the sun , it's one thing . Trevor Bauer had right and Garrett Cole .
Speaker 1Like that's what happens . I think you had a sex addiction too .
Speaker 3This is the worst I've ever seen . He's got so much sticky substance everywhere .
Speaker 2Jesus Christ , anyway , no . So I think that's the clip . By the way , it looks really bad . I love the fact that Evan Grimes and Harry LeGuy are being objective about this , because it does see , I don't know , if the coach knew , I wouldn't put it on the coach . I wouldn't put it on the coach .
Speaker 1I love how it's like college baseball still got that kind of charming aspect where it's like it was almost like a little league thing where you had to like go in between the fence where he was like hiding some stuff pregame and like it's like it's not . You know you're not in this like nice bullpen where you can go back in the back and just cheat however you want to . This guy's like reaching through the little fence area . It's just college baseball still got that little like amateurism to it .
Speaker 2It it's just college baseball still got that little like amateurism to it . It is an amateur sport , don't get me wrong . Yeah , last thing I want to say and I hope ali's not watching , because this is gonna be a bad for me if your name's ali get in the chat um , that guy's name is christian , perfect , perfect , christian marachna .
Speaker 2Hey , bud , listen , here's how you should have cheated . Okay , little side note and some cheating help from Uncle Chris . You were squatted in the corner . No one could see what you were doing there . Your first name , by the way , is Christian . All you had to do ? All you had to do was take a knee , sit there with your head down , doctor up whatever you were doing and then get up , turn around , give a little sign of the cross , put your hat back on whatever . No one would have said a fucking word and you know what he could have done ?
Speaker 1Big thing with the sign of the cross Every time he throws a strike . He could pretend and he could just get sticky stuff . He could put it right on his forehead under his hat right here on the chest .
Speaker 2We're getting away from the actual good style of cheating that I was .
Speaker 2I mean , I thought what I had was good Also if he just was going like this to himself repeatedly . But no , I think it's a very bad look . He probably didn't even need to do it , unless he hasn't been cheating all year . It'll be very interesting to see what his numbers look like over the next couple games . It's not like it's going to get any easier . Now . You're in the meat of the season . Going into May , go to Hoover regionals , all that kind of stuff . Dude , all you had to do was look at your actual first name pretend to pray . Do you have any idea how many parking tickets and speeding tickets I've gotten out of just by pretending to pray ?
Speaker 1Don't tell my mom that yeah , and you show them the tattoo brother , son , brother you think I'll be cheating huh brother , son , not part of the scum .
Speaker 2Come on , dude , roll time . All right , that's that's it . That's all I got all right .
Speaker 1Hey , thanks for tuning everybody . It's been a long podcast but it's been a good one . We appreciate you guys tuning in . Five stars on apple and spotify , like and subscribe on youtube . Let's get it . See you next week . Bye , guys , bye .
