SEC NIL Collective Tiers, Hugh Freeze Hot Seat Potential, & the "Rick Ross of Recruiting" at Alabama

Chris is joined by Phillip Dukes from On3 for a fun Friday episode. 

Topics include…

• How prevalent the Jaden Rashada/UF incident is happening in CFB recruiting today 
• SEC NIL Collective Tiers 
• Early assessment of Kalen Deboer & Staff’s recruiting at Bama 
• Bold Predictions for Auburn in 2024
• Auburn’s chances with JuJu Lewis 
• Duke’s INCREDIBLE and hilarious journey from cleaning up dead Rhinos to a national recruiting expert at On3 
• AND his secret rap career with Future. Yes, really

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

What's up guys? Welcome in to the Friday episode of Forth and Wrong. Same me, same hat, same shirt all week. Yeah, but a new guest, got a new guest in Duke. Man, how you been.

Speaker 2: 0:14

I've been good man. Bliss Can't complain about nothing.

Speaker 1: 0:18

Yeah, every time I see your Instagram stories now I feel like what I thought? Like you're like in Miami, like just casually, like just go to like. Like you're like in miami, like just casually, like just go to miami and you're like courtside. I'm like what the fuck is going on with you right now?

Speaker 1: 0:31

it's just like a random wednesday, but no man, it's been uh. It's been awesome to follow along and I'm so happy that everything's going so well over there at on three. Um, all good stuff we've had. I told it to somebody the other day I think it might have been JD. It was like the first time I've seen anybody in your comments be like a dick and I just kind of forgot that that happens to everybody and I was like why are you being mean?

Speaker 2: 0:53

to Duke Because he said something nice about.

Speaker 1: 0:55

Colorado, Like what is happening. Anyway, listen, so your expertise is a lot of things, but it's especially recruiting SEC, recruiting state of Alabama and Georgia and all that kind of stuff. And with the way NIL is, obviously it's the same story but a new story every week. And as we're doing this, the NCAA has finally decided that amateurism is not a real thing, which it hasn't been for like 100 years, just to be honest. Looking at the NIL stuff, earlier in the week there was the Jaden Rashad story and he's suing Florida and all that kind of stuff. So my first question is like because you and I talk about this off air a little bit, like I think the Jaden Rashad of Florida thing is probably not a one-off, it's probably the worst example of of that happening, but you are familiar with this like how much more is this probably happening with empty promises and like bags being promised on signing day, especially around college ball, than we know?

Speaker 2: 1:58

it happens all the time and you can just tell in the transfer portal like there were so many guys in the portal that didn't get what they were promised and they got the hell on like it wasn't even, wasn't even close.

Speaker 2: 2:08

It was like all right, I didn't get my money, I'm out like they just got there right and uh, when you think about so, some schools actually do try to do it by the book, right, and the third party collective can tell you things that are not that. The school or the third party collector can promise you whatever they want to. Yeah, and if you decide to sign with that school, then I'm sure there's a level of plausible deniability that goes along with that right but the head coach can just say well, I didn't know that, that's not what I told.

Speaker 2: 2:36

And this is the number that you know this is the number whatever and um freak out yeah, okay, you're good. Oh yeah, so, um, basically just like what's like if it was you and you wanted to recruit a guy, it goes right in the same line as oh, you'll play as a freshman, or you're gonna get this many carries, it's the same thing.

Speaker 2: 3:00

It's all recruiting and it's basically get them in the boat, tie them to the emotionally and we'll figure it out from there. He'll be all right. And Jalen Rashada just took a stand and was like bro, I'm not going to that school if y'all don't pay me. And he didn't, and now he's doing it.

Speaker 1: 3:16

The difference in money with him it's still. I still can't get past that it was $1385 million dollars, because nobody is getting that and and the fact that just from all sides they're like that seems reasonable, right, like 13.5. Yeah, absolutely for sure um I.

Speaker 1: 3:33

I think that, like, one of the things that you, like I've been saying this all week too is that like it is the same week, like eight, ten years ago it was playing time. It was, like, you know, running back sick, derrick hitter, like how many carries you're gonna get? All that kind of stuff. And now it's just a different version of I. You can call it lying, people just call it recruiting. Um, I think that the weird thing is, like it's odd to me that it's so like it's, it's so consistently happening across college football. Because because, like you, it, you, it seems like the money is it's not like a couple hundred bucks, it's not like, hey, we're gonna get you in the back. It is very, very different from what you were being promised.

Speaker 1: 4:14

Um, but, and the one thing that I think is going to come out of all this, you, you brought the fact that, like, if you, if you take that to napier and you talk about, like, from a legality standpoint, you're like, hey, this is what you is what you promised this kid.

Speaker 1: 4:23

It's like I make promises to kids all the time. Like all the time I'm fucking Santa in an orange and blue like visor this weekend. So, like he's. He sits there and says, like this is what we're going to give you, blah blah, and then he doesn't follow through on it and you see a situation like Rashada, where he leaves and now is that, like his third school and committed to like four over the last, like year and a half, including his recruiting.

Speaker 1: 4:45

That, I feel like, is going to directly lead to to contracts being made, if they want this to stop, because, like there's no reason for either side to change what's happening, unless it's because, like florida's not going to get in huge trouble for this, and all they have to say is like we said this and if you want to be in a binding contract, we would pay you that, because they all know it's not going to happen yeah, I mean, and then too, I think one of the ramifications that's coming or, I guess, unintended consequences is people are going to start pushing even harder for that early, uh, the summer signing period in football yeah guys want to make their commitment.

Speaker 2: 5:21

But how do you make a commitment if you got to to wait until December to find out how much money you're going to get? So if you push up the signing period, then you can make your decision earlier. And so now all of these summer commitments after the official visits can be binding. You can sign that letter of intent then.

Speaker 2: 5:37

So, I mean, from that perspective it really does make a lot of sense of sense. But when you think about it, you basically have to pay, or make a promise to pay someone off of three years of film before your senior year, and that's a.

Speaker 1: 5:54

Three years of film, by the way, and you know just as well as I do. If you play at a good high school I mean, unless you are an elite four or five-star you're probably not starting as a freshman. Maybe you start playing as a sophomore Dude yeah, the days of your film popping from December to February and that signing period and kids getting a late. Look, that's done.

Speaker 2: 6:15

Right, absolutely. I think they'll start with the guys like the quarterbacks. A lot of times you have enough information on a quarterback Guys who can reclass right, guys who are like this year. I think the top candidate to reclass that hasn't reclassed yet is probably Jakeem Stewart. He's a guy who people feel like physically he could do it. You saw Julian Lewis class up this year. Is he a?

Speaker 1: 6:39

senior now? Yeah, he's a senior. He was a sophomore like four months ago.

Speaker 2: 6:44

Yeah, he was a sophomore.

Speaker 1: 6:46

This is what I also understand, because it's like I don't want to sound old and white and beaten down, but I am, and also like when you tell somebody, it's like, hey, like you trust you're gonna want to just like enjoy this time of your life because, like everything gets keep keeps getting moved up. Or like at first it was like, oh cool, early enrollees, they're gonna be on campus for spring, and now it's like I want to sign in the summer, I want to reclassify, I want to do it. And it's like what the fuck is it? We just keep pushing everything further and further back. At some point they're going to be in eighth grade. We're just going to be having like silent or verbal commits from that.

Speaker 2: 7:19

Bro, I'm going to tell, feel like the KJ Bolden saga was going on. That feels like a year years ago, right yeah, he had literally just graduated high school, like today. His mom is posting pictures today, my baby. This man's already driving a Mercedes-Benz SUV. Like this is, I mean, and we talk about the amateurism and does it ruin college sports and things of that nature, but at the end of the day it's just more. I just feel like we're overstimulated as a whole, Like everything that we used to our way, what we grew up on, that shit dead bro.

Speaker 1: 7:58

It's. It's. It's funny too, Cause it's like there is still that small contingent of morons. It's like I'm not watching college football anymore and they probably still do when it. There is still that small contingent of morons. It's like I'm not watching college football anymore and they probably still do where it's.

Speaker 1: 8:07

Like they just ruined all of it because these kids get paid and like that has no bearing on like as of right now, like what the product is on the field, like it might change from your year and what your roster looks like, all that kind of stuff, but like the only thing that's going to affect that, in my opinion, like drastically and like drastically and the performance on the field, whether it be purposely good or bad, is if gambling somehow gets further involved. We sit here and people are yelling about these kids getting paid and all the while they're still doing as much shit as possible to make. I don't want to say bastardize the sport, but we're steamrolling ahead to a two-team power conference. I saw something a couple weeks ago where Kansas is getting a serious look to join the SEC and it's like what the fuck are we doing right now?

Speaker 2: 8:51

I mean the world as we know it has changed about a minute, and college football isn't immune to it, I think, being something that's so traditional. I argue that college football is just as big of an american tradition as baseball, and when you think about something that's american, that's american pie, like college football, it's gonna have some pushback. But now when you look, once the once, the toothpaste is out of the tube, it's over with bro yeah, it only gets worse.

Speaker 2: 9:18

You can't push it back. You'll never get that same amount of toothpaste in the tube, and that's where we are. We're just watching more and more toothpaste lose. Lead the tube about a minute and uh, shit, man, it's great, like like right now. You know people say, oh, yeah, they're about to change what they're getting paid and they can get paid for the school. Yeah, it's gonna change stuff. Do you think that these collectors are going away? No, no, they're just gonna get more money they also just started.

Speaker 1: 9:43

They're just going to get more money. They also just started, they also just started. So it's like, dude, everything in college football is run, in my opinion, through some level of like back alley stuff where it's like, sure, you guys can be in charge, but this is what is going to happen. And the people that have taken power in college football, especially since the NCAA, has been like people, finally called the NCAA's bluff. I mean, like it's just like. It's just like they were at like a, like a, like a face-off or something like that. It was like oh my God, are they about to like swing on each other? And Intel was like you better.

Speaker 2: 10:12

Not, I'm serious, it's like what the fuck it's like.

Speaker 1: 10:20

Think it's funny because it does seem like you said the toothpaste attitude. By the way, one way to make the toothpaste stay in the tube just leave the cap off on accident, like I did earlier this week, and now I can't get any toothpaste out. So that's great. Um, no, I think it's like. I'm hoping all of it's gonna be fine. We'll see. But you're right, the nil collective stuff has just begun and it's so much funding and resources they put into it. Um, that'll lead us into like, the next thing I want to talk about like this is we don't have these numbers for sure in front of us, right, but but we talk about this off here, like if you, if you were to rank either one through five or one through ten, just in in order of of most money to least what, what are the, the rich rankings of of the sec nil collectives?

Speaker 2: 11:08

it's hard to get into like specific numbers, but I know, like the haves versus the have, nots and, um, when you, I, I can just say I'm. I may do it in tears like old miss got a bag, yeah, auburn's got a bag. Tennessee's got a bag. Yeah, florida's got a bag. Those four schools got a bag. Florida's got a bag. Those four schools for sure, they all are going to compete at that high level. You think LJ McCray didn't get a bag to go to Florida? And when you look at the schools that were around him, look at a school like Auburn, who was up until Saturday, they thought they had a really good shot at him. Ole Miss, kamarion, franklin, cam Franklin, you got a bag to go to school with NIL, I'm sure of it. Look at the schools who were involved Florida, auburn, ole Miss, like the same guys. And when we're hearing that, hey, a defensive lineman is going to cost you 800 grand, and then Ole Miss went and got three of them, right, they got them early too.

Speaker 1: 12:04

See, I still say that this is like. I mean, you played sports, like you. You've been in locker rooms. I say this all the time.

Speaker 1: 12:08

People don't get it like unless you've like been at that level. I don't care if it's, if it's high school or college or pro. Not everybody in that locker room likes each other. That's a lot of different personalities, a lot of different people trying to be alphas, like all that kind of shit it is. People get sensitive around money in general and when you sit here and you talk about how like I thought brian kelly nailed it, I thought brian kelly nailed it when he brought the whole fact about how he's like, what does that look like? If we bring in this kid, one of these, like in one of the best deal I'm in just the second portal window, not like of the whole cycle, not in the country, just the second portal window. If I bring him in for a three-month mercenary lease on him to play for us and I say, hey, you're gonna get as much money as will campbell, who's a three-year star, gonna be a top five pick and it's like the heart and soul of this like team, what does that?

Speaker 2: 12:53

say the rest of the team yeah, I mean it's, it's rough, and think about this. I remember there was um, a high state coach, oh, and he said, um, and this is at a school, on a school visit. I happened to be privy to the conversation and he was like, well, I'm the least paid person in my room. I'm the least paid person in my room, and when you think about that, how do you tell somebody? Like, all right, put it like this. It's just like when the kids go to the nfl and you see, all right, now I'm the caretaker all right, hey, mama, go, sit down, be quiet in that house.

Speaker 2: 13:33

I bought you while I do my thing right well, that was just happening earlier. Like how do you go tell a guy, um, specifically, let's get a guy who like an assist, a position coach, who doesn't have this long history of being in the NFL and maybe it's his first year and he's getting about? Four hundred and twenty five thousand dollars and he's coaching a five star that just signed for about six hundred thousand. Right, you're going to tell me how to do what I do and I'm making more money than you.

Speaker 1: 14:00

Right, and I can barely see rated R movies.

Speaker 2: 14:03

Right, Come on dog. So it's a trip, man, but I enjoy it. It's like watching reality TV to be honest it is.

Speaker 1: 14:11

I will say that's one of the reasons I was harsh on Harshen and the Kardashians were still around in Auburn, but I noticed a few of the teams you left off with. If you're breaking up into tiers and you're saying Ole Miss, like Florida, auburn and Tennessee. There's several noticeable names left off the list. Texas has to be up there.

Speaker 2: 14:34

I do know that Texas is up there for sure. I always forget about Texas. Texas got a bag that's old as Oklahoma.

Speaker 1: 14:41

Maybe not Mississippi State and Vandy and some of the teams that are in the lower the have-nots. But, like, what are some of the teams that you would assume? I didn't think that Bama had any issues with the NIL stuff until Saban retired and I was like, oh shit, there's a lot of like you know things they got to address here. What are some of the bigger names in the SEC that are probably on that have-not list?

Speaker 2: 14:59

that would be kind of surprising I wouldn't say, I wouldn't call them have nuts. What I would say is this um, there are teams that have won enough to where they don't have to overpay and they get kind of a championship discount right. So obama is going to get that championship discount. Georgia is not going to compete. It's like they're not like. Listen, pop dumas is playing for kentucky and he had a ton of production.

Speaker 1: 15:25

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:26

Like, don't think that, you know, they were just like oh yeah, well, I'm just going to leave Now. Pop did not want to leave Georgia. But when you think about, like, what goes on in the NIL I mean, kentucky's got a bag, you know, yeah, and they have to pay. So when you don't have four or five stars stacked up, and they have to pay. So when you don't have four or five stars stacked up, they have to do things in order to meet the level of play, in order to compete with these teams.

Speaker 2: 15:50

So when you have guys who say you know what? So look, if I'm a five-star recruit and I want to go to the NFL and I'm used to winning and I want to win, I could go to Georgia. Or I could go to say Ole Miss, right, okay, cool, ole Miss may pay me $500,000. Georgia may give me $300,000. Right, I'm still getting a ton of money, I'm going to go to Georgia, have fun, win, become a star and go to the NFL. And when you stack guys like that now Georgia has four or five guys who may be getting that $300,000 range they never get too top heavy and what they do is they let their room go, every transfer portal and they provide starters to the rest of the SEC.

Speaker 1: 16:34

That part right there. That's what's fascinating to me is because Georgia is almost doing this like it's almost like a tax write-off or like a spillover or some shit, because they have such an abundance of talent there and it's like all right. Yeah, listen, you know Trezor Marshall. You played in a national championship for us for two years in a row. Like you have been a starter on this defense, blah, blah, blah. But we're going to let you go. We're going to also let you go to the team that we hate.

Speaker 1: 17:03

These like programs are getting from the players, like the opposite of that, where, like this is like a Harvard degree on a resume. It's a city I play football at, georgia Like you will go anywhere and it automatically will give you a bump up, and with good reason. So Rob077 brings up a good point. Actually here he says Mizzou has a big bag and that's actually. People sleep on mizzou a little bit but like I think the thing that's cool about what mizzou has done in drink what's especially was drink what's is he like what? Like for the last two years, like one of the things he would do on recruiting trips is he would take the kids like an hour and a half, two hours into the city or wherever the uh, the capital is, and then show them what they actively doing trying to pass laws and legislation ahead of the curve of anyone else in the conference, really, and in the country as well. And they were so progressive so he's showing them firsthand like I'm trying to get you money.

Speaker 1: 17:55

That car ride would be the worst fucking Uber ever. For two hours trying to force conversation with Drake. But I mean, yeah, man, it is, it's. There's so many different layers to it. It's also fascinating. I want to get to one more topic before we close out here, because, um, I met you and you were an auburn guy and I never understood why and I hated it. Your son seems like he's a great kid and I would never disparage his name, but his actual name is still. It gives me nightmares because it's cam um, but I mean so.

Speaker 1: 18:25

So you talk about Auburn recruiting. It's what we've had you on the show in the past on in the state of Alabama for recruiting. Right now, freeze is killing it Like he and he's doing something. I think that's that's interesting, because they're throwing out a ton of money but they're doing it to like high school kids that he is. I think he feels more safe with like all right, if we're going to promise this amount of money, it's going to be to somebody that I can try to develop for three years and like see a long-term you know plan here where there's like more of like a potential payoff and it's a safer bet. He's obviously doing really well in recruiting. Deboer came in and the staff has done better than I expected. What are your initial assessments of how he and that?

Speaker 2: 19:09

staff have recruited, um, I just, I think I think it's more um, alabama is back to being a more even state in recruiting. Now, yeah and uh, I think hugh freeze has done that single handedly, but I think the board really came in and proved a lot of people wrong. It was like how does, how is he going to, I guess, kind of ingratiate himself to these, these Southern Baptist fans, and how is he going to get into the high schools? And is he going to have to make up a fake accent like Chip Kelly? So Brian Kelly, yeah, and uh, man, the boy just came in and he was himself. Uh, he put together a good staff. He held, he held together.

Speaker 2: 19:50

Uh, they wanted to keep t-rock yeah, I know that was a big loss, but keep but. But keeping freddie roach and giving them sort of a promotion was huge, right, yeah, uh, you still got robert gillespie, who I pop up at schools in atl around South man Gillespie I don't even know how he does it, bro, he's like Batman, I'm like bro, that's good. I just, you know, like bro, like Gillespie, goes everywhere and they all love him. So you got those two Star Wars. Then you bring Courtney Morgan with you from Washington, right, we call him like oh, yeah, yeah, ross, yeah, yeah, yeah, ross, like we call him Ross, like perfect. And you know he's a West Coast guy I think he's from Compton, if I ain't mistaken, and so he relates well to a lot of the inner city kids. So they put together a really good staff. And then this is they have a lot of guys that they recruited when they were at Indiana. They recruited with a national imprint and they got a lot of the three stars because they just had to to go to Indiana. So they were in Florida that's where you got Michael Jackson from. They were in Mississippi, that's where you got Deuce Knight's brother from. So they were in all of these places. So people get it confused and think well, his staff isn't going to be able to recruit down here, but they've been recruiting here. They just weren't recruiting the four and five stars, but they've been in the schools and a lot of times when you're that school who has to get the three stars, you build a better relationship with the coaching staff because you got way more three stars to talk about than you do four and five. And those are the schools that are more likely to say that a high school coach can say hey, I got a guy, he's almost good enough. Could you take him for me? I'll help you with this guy. So yeah, I think they're doing a hell of a job.

Speaker 2: 21:29

And then to speak on Auburn, like Hugh Freeze came in guns a-blazing, the Collectives got a bag. But what I like about it? Like you said, they're being really juke dishes about how they spend it. Cam Coleman is worth whatever he got, plus some. Like, when I saw Cam Coleman in the spring game, I wanted to donate. Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 21:51

Like I think, in order for Auburn to stay on that same path, they got to get that guy every year. They got to get a real guy, not just a guy who's really good, because Amaris williams, who they got out of north carolina, is a heck of a player really. They, they like, they call them pretty, like the guys who are built, that's a pretty joke. Like, yeah, he's a really well put together guy, high, four star, borderline five star, but he doesn't have the same recognition as a camp name recognition, right, colman or juju lewis.

Speaker 2: 22:23

If you continue to put those type of guys in the mix, then you have other guys and people say I saw somebody say in one of my videos the other day like nobody's beating down a door to sign with Julia Lewis, they don't have to know Juju to want to play with what. Like they don't, they don't have to know him. Bro, he got a deal with Travis Scott. Bro, like that Auburn gets that name. Like, oh, like when you get to the early 2000s, when Auburn was the place to be, when Bama was on probation for that little while, or whatever was going on.

Speaker 1: 22:53

I understand that part for sure. I mean that's. You know he was on probation for a lot of times. Also, I haven't been able to get this out of my head ever since you brought up his name. But shout out to Rick Ross for one of the greatest lines in bro. What a incredible story. From push it to the limit, no, so here. So I will say this too, like I'm I'm high on Auburn this year because of that.

Speaker 1: 23:17

And if you look at the history of of SEC teams and I'll say I'll include Bama, even though it's a little bit different because they went on this like generational run and the dynasty started there. But if you, if you look back at different times in like recruiting and sec history where teams started to peak south carolina's a good example like the early, early late 2000s, early 2010s in the state of alabama draker patrick um, christian uh, or d milner, d milner um, like. Those are a few of the five stars, like off the top of my head. There was a ton more that came out in that time, a lot of them on defense especially, and they were all in state and Bama was able to get a majority of all of them. And then that which is like I think you get a leg up. You look at South Carolina when they had their best run in program history from like 2011 to 2013. Talk about best run in program history from like 2011 to 2013. Talk about clowny and gilmore and alshon jeffrey and all these dudes that like from a state and that's like situation that doesn't produce a ton of elite recruiting talent. But they they did in this like little cycle.

Speaker 1: 24:20

And now you look at auburn. It's like man, they got cam coleman, they got perry thompson. They got like nobody's even talking about perry thompson, like in what you said about how the high four stars like a lot of times those are the difference makers. Like Devontae Smith wasn't a five star, right, he played, he played next to some. But I mean like I think it'll be interesting. Either way, I do think that Auburn's going to be good.

Speaker 1: 24:41

I kind of want you to still do a bold prediction. But the last thing I want to say before we get out of here because just hear me out, because I'm not being crazy when I say this I think a lot of auburn fans and people in the program and all that kind of stuff have a longer leash with with you because of how awful the situation with harson was. So he's going to get way more of, like you know, leniency and and stuff like that, like because of how awful it was just a couple years ago. That being said, it's not like this program is one that is traditionally very rational or calm or patient sometimes with their coaching hires.

Speaker 1: 25:19

We're going into year two I've thrown this out here before. Every Auburn coach besides Brian Harsin, since Pat Dye Carson, since Pat Dye, has either played for or won a title in national conference or division by year three or gone undefeated like Terry Bowden did. So the expectations are high, but with some pretty good reason. What would it take for Hugh Freeze to be on the hot seat after year two?

Speaker 2: 25:50

He had to win four games.

Speaker 1: 25:52

Really.

Speaker 2: 25:53

Yeah, he wins four games. I mean, even if he won five and you beat and you play Georgia, alabama closes, it's going to be he wins his games. He'll be all right if he got some good production because they can say, okay, you don't have the quarterback as long as he recruits. And if he lands one of these top quarterbacks like if they don't land Juju, they still going to get a guy Like I'm willing to bet whatever and you still got Walker White, just kind of waiting to win.

Speaker 2: 26:16

Are they going to get Juju? They could, though, like I ain't going to cap you down, like I really think they got an opportunity to get him. I mean, look at his official visits, usc.

Speaker 1: 26:26

Tennessee.

Speaker 2: 26:26

Auburn, Indiana, Colorado. They got a shot, bro, like a real shot, and that ain't just coming from. You know, there was a rumor out there. He silently committed and I talked to his dad, TC, and they didn't commit, but they told Auburn. They got a really good chance to get him. They were like you guys are really in it and yeah, I mean, I think, but it's. You know, auburn is due for one of those seasons, right Like, and college football is always better when Auburn fans are just like going crazy.

Speaker 2: 27:00

Yeah, you know it is dog. Like the Iron Bowl means more Like last year. Imagine the Iron Bowl last year. Imagine that victory, with Alabama's victory, auburn having eight or nine wins instead of doesn't happen.

Speaker 1: 27:13

Dick, I know what you're doing there. No, I mean, I honestly I don't disagree with that, because auburn is it's a low-key, very, very likable school. I think. I don't think they've made a ton of enemies nationally either. They're're just kind of. They're just kind of like they. They're almost like a Penn state of the sec, but like minus the consistent 10, one seasons, because like they just pop more right, like they, they, they are in like Natty's more and stuff like that, and contend but yeah, man, I mean like I don't like Jordan, hair is it is. It's weird to me how much it slept on from people. You're the one that got me into Dirt and Hair on the field for that A&M game and those were two of the shittiest teams in the conference. It was like 12 degrees and it was one of the best environments I've ever been in. Me and Pablo were down there in Means and it was just like it was awesome, man, it was awesome, it was fun dog, wasn't that fun?

Speaker 2: 28:06

I was drinking moonshine. I got some moonshine from DeMarco McNeil. Yeah, I forgot about that man.

Speaker 1: 28:13

We was on, we had a good time you were the MVP of that whole situation, because I was sitting there and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, duke's going to get me on the field. And remember, we randomly walked in, like, ran into each other Right, like when I was was, we were walking, leaving the apartment to go somewhere and I just saw you and I was like why is this kid? Listen, there's a little sus. I know you were doing recruiting but you hopped out of like a white van with like six kids and I was like what the hell.

Speaker 2: 28:40

No, I did not. That is no, you're not okay, don't like that you, you were, you were around recruiting them. Yeah right, I was trying to get to stores, but at the end of the day it was funny because I saw you and I was like what's up, bro? And I still had a few plugs at Auburn.

Speaker 1: 29:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 29:01

And it was cool. I was like shoot, let's go. Dude, my phone died.

Speaker 1: 29:05

I couldn't get through to you.

Speaker 2: 29:06

Oh yeah, you couldn't either.

Speaker 1: 29:07

I was like I don't think I'm going to get in and I'm like on the outside, just as white as you can be. I'm like, oh, my friend Duke is inside, I'm pretty sure. And they were like you're not getting in the club, bro, look at your haircut.

Speaker 1: 29:19

And I was like that's probably fair, but no, it was a blast, man, it was a blast. Anyway, dude, I appreciate you coming on. I'm so happy for everything that's going on over there on 3 with you and that good stuff. And if you guys like listen I know we have a lot of our listeners have heard my story and all that kind of stuff Duke is a really, really inspiring dude and a great story as well, so you guys make sure you go check him out and listen to his stuff.

Speaker 2: 29:45

Tell everyone where they can find your stuff. Man yeah, instagram and Twitter at Duk. Um yeah, instagram and twitter at dukes d scoop.

Speaker 2: 29:55

I'm on on three recruits page and I literally jump on any show if somebody asked me to jump on the show like that, yeah, yeah, I like not like this, this is a real production but, like, I just really like twitter spaces, whatever. Like you know, I just think it's important, like, especially for a guy like me, like to get reps. So, yeah, follow me on twitter and I'm gonna retweet whatever I'm on and yeah, that's that's. That's just what I'm on now when I get to be a part of quality establishments like fourth and wrong bro, look, let me tell you like, all right, I know I'm going late, but going along, man, I used to read those, uh, man, those uh, when you had like the two schools that you would say what they were famous for.

Speaker 2: 30:31

Oh, the matchup breakdowns, oh my god, bro, that's how we became friends bro, I had no, I had no idea you were like a real live comedian. Because I'm like this is funny as fuck, bro. Like like I used to like die laughing at those. I appreciate that. Yeah, you know so, man. And so then I meet you and you end up being cool. Then you got a cool ass story. So I was like, all right now we locked in, like and it's funny because, like the industry that we're in, like it's so cliquish yeah you know, and having guys who are like you know, people always like, where are your credentials?

Speaker 2: 31:04

like like bro, like really. And so for me to have somebody I could just really kick it with, like, if I see you like it's up Like Marlon, what you about to do, oh, we doing this, okay, cool. And you know, I don't try to know nobody like in that way, because a motherfucker will sit or act like they'll try you and be like yeah, I got to go over here because I'm covering this kid. I'm like 15, like stop playing with me. Like you're finna, go interview the president, right, you know. And so now it's just, it's fun because, like, I feel like I represent guys who just want to take a swing at it and take a shot. Yeah, and it works. You too, like bro, like when you told me your story, and I'm like, oh, what are you at dentanas?

Speaker 1: 31:44

I was at.

Speaker 2: 31:45

I was at uh houston's houston's yeah, and when I'm hearing that, yeah, come on, bro, like when I'm hearing that, yeah, come on, bro. When I'm hearing that I'm like okay, and you was in Atlanta, I was like yeah, yeah, this is my guy. So, man, thank you again. Of course, man, I appreciate you having me on. Let's do it again.

Speaker 1: 31:58

I gotta say the last thing because it's just funny. One funny thing, one inspirational thing. I remember being on Finebomb and posted something about it and you messaged me on Instagram. You're like man, one day, like I'm going to go, and I was like, yeah, you're a thousand percent going to be on there. And then, like less than a year later, you're on there Like it's like a recurring guest, which is awesome. The other thing is I think I've told this, but maybe I haven't when you you commented on one of the matchup breakdowns and you said nah, you said nah, you snap with this one. And I was like what?

Speaker 2: 32:31

Is that?

Speaker 1: 32:31

why you go ask somebody what it meant.

Speaker 2: 32:34

And they were like it's a good thing.

Speaker 1: 32:35

I was like okay, cool, Okay cool.

Speaker 2: 32:36

Nah, you did. I was like, nah, you crazy, like nah, man, because man, I like good people, man, so I'll do this shit all day. And the thing that, like we get to do it get to do it Last night, bro I'm on the Tito's and I'm like, bro, damn, I get to wake up in the morning and go see my son graduate and I'm going to jump on the podcast. Yeah, I'm on the Tito's and I'm doing emotional tweets. Hey, y'all, I saw that. Thank, y'all.

Speaker 1: 33:00

It was like an hour and a half until you canceled our show and you were like. You were like I tell this motherfucker should have been on here telling this whole story live. We've all been there with the emotional tweets.

Speaker 2: 33:13

It's cool, man, because I'm really just seeing this bitch like this time last year I was working in a warehouse, bro, in a stinking ass biomedical hazard. Let me tell you how bad that shit was. I'm thankful for the job because I was the man I ran the whole plant, bro. My week of training. They had different animals on a whiteboard and you basically put into a pool and you had to pick an animal and they were like all right, well, guess what this is for? I'm like what. And they were guessing what dead animal was going to come in a chopped up trash bag from a zoo, because every time they got the zoo shipments it would be a different animal. So one time it was a fucking dead rhino. You know and you won't believe what this is.

Speaker 1: 34:01

I don't believe it right now.

Speaker 2: 34:02

Bro, bro, bro. Let me tell you.

Speaker 1: 34:05

First of all, what is the phrasing? Zoo shipments, like that's a casual thing, that I should just know what that means.

Speaker 2: 34:11

Bro, like think about it. It's like so the company I work for they got it's like high class trash.

Speaker 1: 34:15

Yeah, love that.

Speaker 2: 34:16

Anything you cannot just take to a landfill. Because of the biomedical hazard, you have to pay a premium amount in order to dispose of it. So my job was to send guys out find. Different was to send guys out find incinerators. There's an incinerator in Huntsville, alabama that literally burns it. Chemotherapy waste from oncology centers the nastiest shit. Covid testing centers the nastiest shit you can imagine. That's what my guys had to deal with and so, bro, you're not going to believe what was in these damn trash cans Little monkey shit.

Speaker 1: 34:52

Yeah, that's not as bad as the Rhino. To be honest, the shit is not nearly as bad as the Rhino.

Speaker 2: 34:56

No way, bro. A 96-gallon tub of monkey shit, 96 gallons of Herbie Kirby full of monkey shit, bro, I could not get that smell. I was in a nice air-conditioned office. I couldn't get that smell out my shirt for weeks, bro, like, yeah, I'm like bro. I was making my ex as soon as I started. I was like man this bro, right, I gotta do what I gotta do for cam, but yeah, so I'll wake up with genuine gratitude there that I'm like lord, thank you that makes a lot more sense now.

Speaker 1: 35:26

I was just making mojitos for people for eight percent tips. That's all I was doing yeah, yeah, I'm making bad puns to Future Dude.

Speaker 1: 35:34

I remember one time we had Future come in and it was like random afternoon and he was sitting in the corner of this corner booth of just him and two girls. It's slow, right. It's like lunch shift is cut down in half. I remember he ordered all of his food at once and I was like, would you like the spinach first or would you like it at the same damn time? And he's like, can you fucking leave me alone? And I was like he did not laugh whatsoever, like he was just like it was the. And the funniest thing, I tell you, the funniest thing, will close in this.

Speaker 1: 36:07

I think I ever saw like just with future specifically, it was like a, a Friday night I'm bartending. So then I'm like in the front of the bar. It's packed for only an hour and a half. Wait, future comes in and he's like headed like the, the, the rush, so he's like at table already, whatever. And the girls who were the hostesses, they were attractive young black girls and and so they were always kind of like, you know, flirt back and forth.

Speaker 1: 36:30

Whatever he came in. He came in and he gave them all a hundred dollar tip. The three of them gave him a hundred dollar tip and then ordered to go food through me and I was like, okay, and he goes, this is exactly what I want and he put it in. And so as he's leaving, he hands them all a hundred dollars, comes up to the bar, grabs the to-go bag he $100,. Comes up to the bar, grabs the to-go bag he ordered a chicken tender platter with fries. It's like off-menu Hands each of them a box of chicken tenders and fries, yells chicken wings and fries. We don't go on dates. As he walked out of the fucking restaurant I was like this man just cite his own song. It was incredible, it was incredible, bro.

Speaker 2: 37:10

Like all right, I'm going to tell you something. I it was incredible. It was incredible. Like all right, I'm gonna tell you something. I ain't never told nobody this like in this, in this arena. Bro, me and future were like they're their best friends for about six months yeah like, and if you go on youtube, we got a song from like 2011, you yeah, me and future like no, no, no, bs bro and so that's a better story than what I told.

Speaker 2: 37:30

I wish we would have lived with that bro, I did a pair of everything, but now man like future, literally like and, and future literally had his his own language. That this ain't new him like. The story you told is so funny to me because it was like, bro, like I think this, I think at the time he the first mixtape, racks on Racks, was out, tony Montana, all during this time period, yeah, and before we knew it he was already quoting stuff. He was speaking like you just said. Yeah, he would say stuff that we always used to joke. Like man, he got his own language Right, but he was literally- so he was up all the time.

Speaker 2: 38:09

Yeah, he was literally quoting his own songs that weren't out yet, bro, so nah, man. But yeah, I'm going to send you a link and don't tell nobody. If they find it, they find it, but I'm going to send you the link.

Speaker 1: 38:20

Bro, one of the reasons I love Future so much is because he is. He's like every fucking dude. He's like geeked up on Adderall and then he's coming down from whatever to take the edge off. He is so toxic when it comes to his relationships. It's incredible yeah, he's a good man. That 2015 run he had Roaches Everywhere. I Forgot to Take the Trash Out just a fantastic, fantastic time. Those are the only two rap songs I know I've quoted them both. I uh you going on here, bro. We'll have to. We'll start doing this again, man.

Speaker 1: 38:53

We'll just maybe instead of doing something like consistently during the season and we'll just have you on like once every two weeks or something man, like it's the only show I go on the curse on.

Speaker 2: 39:01

So, like bro, like no, no cap bro, like it's not another show that you can't make me curse. Everything else is, yeah, buy the book, because you know I'm like shit I'm. You know I'm so happy, like you know how the guy who just barely gets in the club don't do shit because he ain't trying to get put out. That's me okay, fair yeah, I'm not trying to get put out, so, um, I don't think nobody would be mad about me coming on here talking shit with you, so bro.

Speaker 1: 39:23

No, but from my, but from my almost professional that I could consider myself, I will give you some advice. I'm not great at being professional at all. I wouldn't talk about the rhino, the dead rhino, moving forward. I wouldn't have that be a part of any of the content.

Speaker 2: 39:38

I enjoyed it but it just you know, Okay, cool, that's what we can do. Let's act like it didn't happen.

Speaker 1: 39:45

All right, Perfect dude.

Speaker 2: 39:45

All right, I'll get at you soon bro.