Ohio State vs. Georgia Breakdown, ESPN FPI Controversies, & Women's Basketball Rise

Think you know who’s dominating the college football landscape? Think again. Join us in this episode of Fourth and Wrong where we dissect the latest buzz from SEC meetings and ESPN's post-spring FPI rankings. With Georgia holding the top spot and Ohio State's powerhouse skill positions, we present an in-depth analysis of these titans. We also celebrate the electrifying rise of women's basketball, spotlighting standout Caitlin Clark, and draw parallels between the excitement of college baseball postseason and the famed March Madness.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:33

Thank you, hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of fourth and wrong episode, 13 in fact today well, you've done more, but you know, between us, yeah okay today, monday, june 3rd 2024. Today's episode we're discussing the sec meetings. We are discussing the post spring fpi rankings out from espn praising Always a good topic of conversation. We're going to talk a little, maybe women's basketball. Talk a little Carolina coach Baseball then.

Speaker 2: 1:17

Yeah, go ahead. My bad, Sorry, I'm excited.

Speaker 1: 1:22

I think there's going to be some more on the docket. Go follow us on Twitter at fourth and wrong pod and on youtube. Obviously we are trying to grow our brand on youtube search fourth and wrong podcast on there, where we go live every monday 8, 8, 30 depending and then obviously during the season we'll go live on Sundays. Chris, we had a little Monday holiday last week so we didn't record.

Speaker 2: 1:52

Evan was pissed.

Speaker 1: 1:54

Just celebrating America. What do you want us to do?

Speaker 2: 1:57

Yeah, sorry, Evan. No, I was giving Evan shit, because Evan's the first person, like literally the first and only person I texted. That was like we're going to take the week off. That's a cool hat, by the way.

Speaker 1: 2:09

Thank you.

Speaker 2: 2:10

You're welcome.

Speaker 1: 2:11

I appreciate that.

Speaker 2: 2:12

We got a lot to talk about this. So, honestly, I'm glad we skipped last week because one positive let's start with some positives here we ended the Friday show from two weeks ago with with Duke Duke scoop, I heard. By the way, this is incredible, I might just come on now Um and that V. That video got over 2,200 views, which is awesome on YouTube, so that was great. We appreciate all you guys for that. Uh, as we, as we said, we're trying to grow this thing, um, and it's been a lot of fun, obviously. So then did some stuff with the branding. Um, as you can tell, the top looks pretty clean huh, that does look very clean at the top.

Speaker 2: 2:55

I think we're good. What about the bottom?

Speaker 2: 2:57

also also the bottom, but you just pointed out the top, so I think this is what we're going to stick with, because I really like this. And one thing I think that would help us and me emotionally is maybe, after we get done recording, not spending two to three hours every three to six weeks, rebranding the whole fucking thing for no reason. So, um, but no, I was, uh, I told, I told evan and and um, he was like, let me just take the week off, there's not really much going on. And now there's like a bunch of stuff going on and we get college baseball going on, which has been a lot of fun. I've fucking this. This time of year. Man is like.

Speaker 1: 3:34

I disagree with people who say it's as good as college basketball season, but I I like for like march madness, I love this man, I love this time of year yeah, I'd say I I like college baseball better than college basketball at this point, and I think I mean some of that is probably directed at the fact that Florida State is terrible at basketball now. So I just don't really watch Good showing by Alabama, though, in the regional Tallahassee regional.

Speaker 2: 4:02

So I want to be very clear when I say this. I don't give a shit about outland baseball. I I got out ahead of it early again this year. I don't care, I don't care and and I know there's several auburn fans that want to like dog about that, like oh, or like a few band fans you're like, you're only a fog, like a football, only gump. It's like no, I played, I played. What did you? It's dude, it's. It's unreal how serious they take that shit.

Speaker 1: 4:26

And who cares? Right, you didn't go to school there, so it's not like you have to root for every program.

Speaker 2: 4:32

Not exactly how I would have defended myself there, tyler, but thank you. What happened? Steve is here. Yeah, this third account has really blossomed into a new friendship with me and FNC. I don't give a shit about baseball because like it feels weird what's up, john, sweet sports? It feels weird to me Cause it's like it almost feels a little bit like the whole wearing somebody else's Jersey thing Cause I wasn't good at the plate Alabama. There's a reason they stopped recruiting me. That's fine, but it always feels weird being like super invested into a program with that. I didn't stop recruiting me like for, like you know, I just whatever, like for the right reasons. I want to be very clear. When I said they recruited me for since I was a sophomore in high school through my senior year, and they stopped with a good reason, but what was that reason, chris? I wasn't good enough to play there.

Speaker 1: 5:22

Oh, that seems like a pretty good reason.

Speaker 2: 5:24

And in God's never-ending ability to troll, I think, most things in my life. The first baseman they did sign in that class Wes something. I forgot his name. He played at Anniston High School, which is where my whole family was from in Alabama, so that was pretty cool.

Speaker 1: 5:39

I just brought it right back to the roots there. Yeah, anyway, any particular reason why the bottom says SEC, nil collective rankings.

Speaker 2: 5:48

Because I forgot to change it and you're being a little bitch about it. So what do you want to change it to? Here We've got.

Speaker 1: 5:57

There, you go. Where do you want to start there, sir?

Speaker 2: 6:01

I kind of want to start with Caitlin Clark, but I don't want to lose all of our audience. Let's's start here. Let's start here okay.

Speaker 1: 6:11

Um, the new espn fpi ratings for 2024 have been updated. Came out today. Uh, chris, you're never gonna believe who's number one in this. I mean people. People are going to be outraged.

Speaker 2: 6:26

It is Georgia.

Speaker 1: 6:27

Top five looks to be Georgia, oregon, texas, ohio State, alabama. I would say those five programs probably have been the best recruiting programs over the last five years, so that kind of makes sense.

Speaker 2: 6:43

We should deep dive on that again. I haven't done the deep dive in a minute. I um, yeah, like, and, and georgia is again head and shoulders above the rest of the country and we're far enough removed that I'm okay with saying this. Now. We're, like, I think we're seven months removed from the actual game itself, or yeah, or six months, maybe, actually I think for six months. Um, you know, if it wasn't for some injuries and a game in atlanta, we are most likely talking about going into this season with georgia having the shot at having a four p, and I mean for real last year from start to finish, but they had a bad three and a half hours on Saturday and early December.

Speaker 2: 7:27

So, um, I, I just think, I think that, uh, oh, that's a good idea, john. Sweet sports is my idea. Atvs off the wall do a roulette style.

Speaker 1: 7:38

You talk about whatever it stops and I, we're going to do that for like a, like a chat roulette at some point.

Speaker 2: 7:49

Um, well, you were chat roulette where it's like yeah, like, yeah, I mean like minus dick stuff, we're gonna have people coming in here, um, so I I think that having georgia one is a really, really expected and normal thing. Now here's the thing. Ath and steve is going to disagree with me when I say this Ohio State's not far behind Georgia and I think that when you look at them from a talent standpoint, like from a roster, top to bottom, ohio State and Georgia are very similar. I would argue, as of today, right now, right as of today, right now, then, as a as a today, right now, I think that is one of my favorite comments ever been made on this fucking show from Willie gray.

Speaker 2: 8:33

Um, I think that, as of today, if you gave me the starting 22, I would say that Ohio state is better. I really would like, and it's more, probably more because there's more unknowns for Georgia, right, like, especially in that front seven, especially in the secondary a little bit. But we talked to guys like close to that program John being one of them, graham coffee being another one A lot of people think that secondary might be the best that they've had under Kirby smart, which is really scary. I'm really saying something, but you know, I something, but you know, I think that there's more. There's more household names in columbus at ohio state now, from a full roster standpoint, probably give the the edge to georgia, because the way they recruit and the way they develop talent and the full package, I would, I would say from a coaching standpoint, I would, I would stay with kirby smart in georgia, but I don't think it's that far off yeah, I think you look at the.

Speaker 1: 9:23

I think where ohio state may have the lead here is that the skill positions on offense. I mean to have that two-headed monster at running back. I know that georgia gets some players back from injury, which will be nice, um, but. And then etn is a really good back. But I think the mixture of quinch on duncans and, uh, trivia on henderson is a. I mean, you're not going to beat that in the country. And then you look at receiver. They've obviously brought in a ton of really good receivers, five stars across the board. But then jeremiah smith is apparently this like all world dude, I don't know that you have that on georgia's roster.

Speaker 2: 9:56

At least you know, um wait here and real quick, do you? Do you need it at georg? Because this is we're talking about year and somebody in the chat help me out here, because I think it's all Georgia fans again but we're talking about I believe this is year 20-something where they haven't had a 1,000-yard receiver.

Speaker 1: 10:19

Who? Georgia? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean they got the kid from Miamiami, colby, uh, colby young. I think that kid could have a pretty good year, but he was never really like a standout at miami, so I think he's gonna have to elevate his game to be a true number one. I mean, dominic, love it raw right yeah but those are solid guys.

Speaker 1: 10:38

I mean I, um, I I don't think you need it for georgia, to be honest. I mean because I think that you've got enough really good weapons in the room that you can spread the ball pretty evenly. But I would say like top-level names that everybody knows. I think Ohio State's got them beat, but I would definitely trust Georgia in any game over Ohio State, just given how Ohio State has performed in big games over the last couple years.

Speaker 2: 11:01

Agreed, especially against the SEC. I would also love we also need to bring up the fact that it's like Georgia and Ohio State and we need to probably move on, because we're going to have this debate a lot. I feel like we've had this debate a bunch, even over the last three years, but we're going to have this debate a bunch going into the season and probably going into the postseason as well. But Evan Grimes brings it up the the one thing that that ohio state does not have right now and that's a quarterback dylan bell has. I mean, dylan bell did show out against nc, that's kind of what it's been man like outside of brock bowers.

Speaker 2: 11:36

I mean like I don't care how this sounds, I mean you lost some kroger wine section meme, exciting whites on that offense, and and that you you brought one over from Stanford and that maybe that's like the whole thing now with Bobo's offense, but like that that seemed to be what was for a while there. It's like all right, well, you had so and so and he's the one that kind of led the way, but um, like you know, and then next game it's somebody different. And then AD Mitchell, once you got to the actual dog, say hello when you get to the actual postseason, ad Mitchell Dogs.

Speaker 1: 12:14

I do find it interesting that Oregon and Texas are above Ohio State in these ratings though, because as as talented as Ohio State is, I mean Oregon and Texas are ranked over them, I guess for a reason. Maybe it's returning talent. I don't think Texas I mean Texas is loaded on offense, but Ohio State's defense, I think, is going to be really, really good this year. So I think with those top four especially Georgia, oregon, texas, ohio State I think going into the season, I feel most comfortable saying they're the top four teams, maybe not the exact order. Alabama obviously has a big unknown right now and that's a new coach.

Speaker 2: 12:58

What's wild is, if you like, I was going to get to this point. Our buddy, chris Gordy from Lockdown SEC brought it up before I even could, and Anthony Mathis. We are actually getting to the odds right now, so perfect timing. Espn FBI is great for a lot of reasons. One, it gives us numbers to constantly look at, scrutinize, say right, wrong, whatever, here's the percentage odds of this team to win. You know, this weekend, this game, this conference, this, you know, get to the playoff, like, whatever. All the above. Now the one thing I always go back to at the espn fbi, because a lot of times it's wrong. You, you brought this up a couple times, dude. Remember when mississippi state was like eight yeah, um and I believe everybody.

Speaker 2: 13:45

Brad Crawford made a point about this as well. But the one that I always go back to is in 2019 with in the season where a lot of people consider the greatest team of all time, lsu 2019. Lsu plays Bama and Tuscaloosa and beats them by 5, 46, 41. Phenomenal game. Everyone remembers it. Blah, blah. Alabama was ranked ahead of LSU for two weeks after that game, despite losing to them in ESPN FBI.

Speaker 2: 14:15

There are flaws in in whatever like analytics are involved in this. But when you look at alabama, you just brought up, like you go through here, here's like the top 15 teams with championship odds and it's georgia, then oregon, then texas, then ohio state, and then it says bama at five. Right, but when you look at the same list of of percentage odds and projected wins, the projected wins for bama is 9.3. That's that's lower than the sixth and seventh best team on this list. So let it go foul. Let it go foul. Oh my god, it went fair. No, it's foul and he's out. Lsu's on right now. So technically working, um, but yeah, so I think that it's um.

Speaker 2: 15:08

I think it's odd because it's like bama always seems to get like a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. Now again, what I do love about this is it gives you rankings, it gives you percentage odds to go undefeated. It gives you, uh, championship odds, like odds to make the playoff. All that. Is there anything outside of? Like I said, said we had Georgia, oregon, texas, ohio State, bama, penn State, notre Dame, oklahoma, then Tennessee. And what's odd about Tennessee? Tennessee has the ninth best odds to win the College Football National Championship, but they also have, I think, think, the fifth or sixth best odds even win the sec. What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 1: 15:50

um, I mean, if you think about these fpi ratings, I don't that you gotta think about what the rating actually consists of, and some of it is strength of schedule, some of it is home field advantage, like, and so that's why it's going to be a little bit weird that I mean, that's probably why ohio state is a little bit behind a team like oregon. Maybe they have a higher I haven't, I don't know their schedule off the top of my head but, um, maybe they have a harder strength of schedule or, you know, maybe they have harder, uh, away games and we're gonna have home games like. So some of these ratings do try to bring in home field advantage and things like that with the schedule. I think that's why you see some discrepancies in the way we feel about some of these teams and what FPI is saying. That's why Bama might have a lower win record prediction than Penn State and Notre Dame, even though they're ahead of them.

Speaker 2: 16:44

Yeah, and again, I will say this too, because Oklahoma's in there, and this is just percentage chances to win the national championship. I do think it's interesting. It's like percentage odds to win the conference it has Because, remember, penn State doesn't have to play Michigan and and Ohio state. This year I think they only get one of them. Um awesome. In the conference y'all are 26.2%. It's the most in the ACC. It's ahead of Clemson. They've got Clemson in terms of FPI Um 15th. That's insane, do?

Speaker 1: 17:22

you think it's too high?

Speaker 2: 17:23

No, You're such a fucking hater with them. Also, it has a percentage of odds to win out. Do you want to guess what team has the best percentage of odds to win out in the entire country? Don't look, Dick.

Speaker 1: 17:41

Oh no, you don't put any notes in the show notes. These are just my notes. That's fair.

Speaker 2: 17:46

Um, I'm looking at the little, so the best percentage to just go undefeated yeah I mean, is it not georgia, notre dame, notre dame it's notre dame and then oregon, and then, uh, georgia and then georgia. I I was like looking for liberty but I don't see where they are. Georgia and then Georgia. I was looking for Liberty, but I don't see where they are.

Speaker 1: 18:08

Yeah, I just I don't know what it is about Notre Dame, but I just feel like, well, first of all, they can't get a top four seed correct Right, that sucks for them. Join a conference. I don't know man Replacing your two top left tackle and right tackle, both being top picks I mean, riley Leonard, to me is a big question mark because he wasn't able to practice in spring. He's in a brand new team, brand new system. I just don't know what I'm going to get. And for them, I know they have to play Florida State. I just don't know what I'm going to get, and for them I know they have to play Florida State at home, just because I know Florida State's schedule. But I think they have to play USC on the road, which I guess at this point maybe isn't that tough of a game. But FPI has them 18th. They've got to go 2A and M right. That's their 14th in the FPI.

Speaker 2: 19:08

Who are you talking about? Who's 18th usc? Okay, yeah, yeah, they don't have to go. Us usc does not have to go to a and m. No, oh, okay, my bad, I'm dumb, got you, got you. It's like what the fuck are you talking about?

Speaker 1: 19:17

um, so yeah. So I just don't see how they have the top. But I guess I don't know. I guess maybe I'm like the only one that doesn't think highly of notre dame, or like as highly as everybody else unc just added up three.

Speaker 2: 19:31

Three in the ninth tough.

Speaker 1: 19:36

What was the score before that?

Speaker 2: 19:38

three, two, um, anyway, um, let's, let's look at this. How about this percentage odds to make the playoff?

Speaker 1: 20:02

um and we'll. Georgia at 79.1 percent. Tyler top 12.

Speaker 2: 20:06

I'm in yeah, 11, um, and this is. This is like kind of going to go into our next topic here and and I was talking, I was talking about this today because this is something I've said a lot and I and maybe I'll be wrong about it right, um, I don't think I am, though, and that's, I know it's a consistent theme with me. But I mean, like, here's the thing, realistic, the realistic number of of bids each conference can get into the possible playoff in the new 12 team format, because, because here's the thing, you I think you work backwards for it to make the most sense but but there's been this idea for LSU, for SEC fans, since the beginning of this oh, we're going to get four to six teams in every year, and I don't think four is super far-fetched if you're in the SEC, but anything higher than that is a pipe dream year in and year out. And I think there's a couple of reasons why people think that's because, yeah, it's the best, it's the, you know, best team, our best conference, the best teams, all kind of stuff. But here's the thing there was a number that was posted today from the strength of schedule from fpi, the top eight strength of schedules in the country tyler in the country are in the sec and like the top eight overall, and it's like not just Vandy and Auburn, it's like Bama and Tennessee and LA, like like Georgia, I think, is up there. It's like I mean, these are legit difficult situations to go through scheduling wise, and so this idea that you're going to get four to six teams in, like let's work backwards from this and you tell me like where I'm wrong here.

Speaker 2: 21:47

What you think like the feedback would be, if you have 12 teams working backwards, you, you get the automatic bid from the, the g5 school, so that's 11, right.

Speaker 2: 21:57

You get four automatic qualifiers from the power, four teams, so you have seven left. Now you're probably going to get a 10-win Notre Dame team in, no matter what, you have six spots. You have six spots, four conferences, and I'm not even including the rest of the country Six spots with four conferences. You're not going to take the runner-up from every single conference because probably in the ACC or in the Big 12, maybe you're talking about a potential three-loss team. But if you're, because probably in the ACC or in the Big 12, maybe you're you're talking about a potential three loss team. But if you're talking about in the ACC this year where you brought this up like I know that Clemson and Florida State play, but most of the top five teams in that conference going into the season aren't going to play each other. So if you've got a bunch of 11 and one, if you have like three to four 11-1 ACC teams and then a bunch of 10-2 and 9-3 SEC teams, you're telling me they're going to fall.

Speaker 1: 22:57

Yeah, they just did that this year. Oh yeah, good point.

Speaker 1: 23:00

All right, well, I'm going to have to be a bitch about it. I mean, they literally just did that to a team that didn't lose any games. All right, well, I didn't walk myself into that one. No, but I think, when it comes to because the SEC is doing the same thing that the ACC just did last year, which is it's just the two top teams play, now, right, it's not divisions for the SEC championship, yeah, so I mean, I think it's very plausible to say that you know the runner-up in the SEC, the runner-up in the Big Ten, since there's no divisions. Like, those teams are getting in, yeah, they're getting in. So I think it's going to be an automatic two for the SEC. So then I don't know, you figure, yeah, I mean think, I think there is going to be a 10 and 2 team that gets in over an 11-1 acc team, no doubt that's that part's fine.

Speaker 2: 23:56

I should have just stuck with the 9-3 part because, like, okay, because think about this, like bama this year I think bama is going to go 9-3. I don't, I don't and we can get through this. There's a question I have from an audience member later we can talk about, but I I think they go nine and three. If they go nine and three and play, you know, wisconsin, a south florida team maybe might get the g5 bid. Um, georgia, tennessee, mizzou, lsu, oklahoma, maybe Auburn's up there, if they play and they lose to Georgia, mizzou and Wisconsin but they beat all those other teams, I would have a fucking fit. I know they would be better than an 11-1 Louisville, but do they deserve to be in over an 11-1 Louisville?

Speaker 1: 24:53

There's some precedence for this. I mean maybe not two-game swing, but yeah, I mean, I guess if you're 11-1 at that point, that means that Louisville only lost the acc championship game to presumably like a florida sierra clemson. That's a one loss or undefeated team. So, um, no, I think in that case louisville would get in. I mean, I don't know, I don't know what louisville schedule is like. I guess there's a lot that goes into it. But I know that I know that sankey is fighting for, like the sec, to to have the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 2: 25:32

Um, it's almost like you shouldn't add a text in oklahoma dude.

Speaker 1: 25:36

Okay, that's exactly what I was just about to say.

Speaker 2: 25:39

We don't give him enough shit for basically ruining college football you know, I saw people, I've seen people that hate on him constantly. I I think he's done a tremendous job in in some ways.

Speaker 1: 25:49

Yeah, the sec, which is what you should do as a commissioner.

Speaker 2: 25:53

So there is that, but that texas oklahoma thing basically started all of this yeah, you know, I and I also think that, like because I was, I was just been on the train. Be there, all we got a tie game going to the bottom of the ninth sucks. Um, I was on the train of I hate the big 10 for so long. But then you and you look what Kevin Warren did in the COVID year and the commissioner of the PAC 12 and the ACC. And then you, you really see what the commissioner of the PAC 12 did, like they lost the conference, like he lost, he lost the conference. And then and then now you talk about the big 10, like I think in sankey's mind, I think he's like, well, this is already being ruined, so who fucking cares, we're just gonna go run it further into the ground. Maybe that's what I think he's like justifying the spy, and I could be totally wrong about that. He maybe he thinks he's doing a phenomenal job, but you're not wrong, man.

Speaker 1: 26:51

Like this whole thing, it is ruining college football yeah, I mean, look, and let's just take that with a grain of salt, obviously, because I'm very excited to watch matchups like oregon and michigan and usc and ohio State and Bama and Texas like consistently. Like that is awesome, don't get me wrong. But I mean there's a lot of schools and I'm not worried about Florida State being one of them, which is part of why I'm at least a little bit excited about this, all this moving. Think about teams like Oregon State and Washington State that just got left behind in the Pac-12. There's only two teams. They're basically forced to be relegated down to like a G5 type program because they missed the boat on getting in.

Speaker 1: 27:33

One of these. Power two, essentially, is what it's turning into. And then when Florida State and Clemson and potentially UNC leave the ACC because they're looking out for their own best interests, then all these teams in the ACC are going to be completely screwed too. And it's just like If you're on a team that's on the cusp of Virginia Tech who you hate, think about what they're thinking right now. If the Big Ten or the SEC doesn't want us, what are we going to do?

Speaker 1: 28:02

Yeah, I heard that A really shitty ACC.

Speaker 2: 28:07

What they should have done. What they should have done.

Speaker 1: 28:15

Your attention span is at an all-time high right now, all-time high.

Speaker 2: 28:18

It's been awful. What they should have done has been like okay, we're going to go to four total conferences. This is kind of what we thought was going to happen way back in the day. Here's four 16-team conferences. Go to four, four total conferences. Like this is kind of what we thought was going to happen way back in the day. Here's four 16 team conferences yeah okay, that's.

Speaker 2: 28:34

I mean consolidate the power five to four, I'm fine with that, I'm totally fine with that. And then, and then having like big 12, I see, keep the pack 10 and then figure out the rest of the ACC with a Big 12, sec and Big 10. And I'll tell you who else got ahead of their curve.

Speaker 1: 28:56

Would have to join something at that point as well. Right With who? Notre Dame.

Speaker 2: 29:01

Right, I'll tell you who else kind of fucked this whole thing up. I tell you who else kind of fucked this whole thing up. But but like I think the idea of um, of having the big 12 be the third conference, that like ran out and was like we gotta get some teams, we gotta get some teams. And then they were like all right, we're going to lose these guys. I want to make sure that we're still a conference though, because you can see what's happening with the Pac-12. We don't want that to happen. That would be the worst-case scenario. So let's go out and get BYU, cincinnati, houston and UCF. And then we're like, oh fuck, because what you could have theoretically done then was been like, all right, let's split up into four conferences based off of geographic location, and then had like I don't know like divvy up the ACC and figure it out from there, which makes the most sense. But now they're not doing that.

Speaker 1: 30:04

No, no, no, they're not. Yeah, I think, no, no, they're not. Um, yeah, I, I think. Um. Like, if you look at the top 10 teams in the fpi, they're all big 10 or sec, except for notre dame right, um kind of surprised, I mean. I guess maybe not michigan's all the way down at 12 coming off the championship, but they just have so much to replace well, here's another question for you, though, but and this, this is kind of um best strippers are in texas, we got.

Speaker 2: 30:37

Uh, well, this is, this is like a little bit more 30 000 level or 30 000 foot type thing, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 30:44

You're better at what do you call it we're than a corporate lingo, but like I think that one thing that could factor in let's land the plane here, chris, we're gonna, we're gonna get a 30 000 foot view, um, and then let's just go ahead and land this plane yeah, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2: 31:00

We don't need to boil the whole ocean, right? That's what I'm trying to do right now. Um, the the brand part of this that seems to factor into college football playoff picking. Right, and I'm not talking about last year, but I'm saying like, if I you're crazy to think that if notre dame doesn't have a 10-win season, they're not going to get picked in the playoff every year. So so, when you start talking about like all right, because I think that I think the number starts at three for the SEC and three for the Big Ten, and if you're looking at this year, it's like all right, let's say that Texas and Georgia are those two teams for the SEC, right. And then let's say for the Big Ten, it's Penn, I'm sorry, it's Ohio State and Oregon. Well, if you have a 10-2, penn State, michigan, bama, lsu, tennessee these are big national brands and I don't Are those teams going to get preferential treatment because of the logo on the helmet?

Speaker 1: 32:04

Yeah, I think we saw that this year, this past year. I'm getting a better fucking helmet, hey, hey, we got the best element in college football okay, well, that's what do you think it's?

Speaker 2: 32:15

the one with it's just red with a white number on it it's the worst helmet you don't ever notice that like halfway through the season it turns just like this you know purplish color, like on the road especially it's like yeah, florida State jerseys do that too.

Speaker 1: 32:30

It's disgusting. I'm like, come on, can we just get this right for once?

Speaker 2: 32:34

I hate it um.

Speaker 1: 32:35

Some interesting teams, by the way, that I I thought were very interesting. We're in that next block under um like under 15, so obviously it's cool to see Kansas on there, auburn at 19 and Florida at 20.

Speaker 2: 32:51

That's unreal, florida at 20.

Speaker 1: 32:55

Florida. I think Florida could be okay because we talked about all year like Mertz. We were wrong on Mertz, or I definitely was. Mertz had a really good year. Trey Wilson's going to be one of the best receivers in the SEC by the time his career is done. I could see it. For Auburn. You're relying on a lot of guys that have never performed at this level yet. Now they've got some really good incoming freshmen. But I don't know Like I thought this was supposed to bake in schedule and Florida schedules like the toughest in the nation. So I don't know. I thought this was supposed to bake in schedule and Florida's schedule is the toughest in the nation. I don't know. Just surprised to see those two names. Obviously cool to see Kansas on there. Kansas and Kansas State are on there.

Speaker 2: 33:37

It's weird to me when you keep saying obviously it's cool to see Kansas.

Speaker 1: 33:42

Because it's like saying oh, look at Northwestern in the top 15. It's pretty cool to see. You don't see that every year.

Speaker 2: 33:49

I can't remember the last program after what they did to those kids last year.

Speaker 1: 33:53

Yeah, I support it.

Speaker 2: 33:57

Merry runs, miss Brother. All right, that's the clip, just so you know. No, I think it is kind of cool that Kansas is in there. I thought about this too, tyler, and this is something we're way kind of off topic here. But I mean, like there's so much that's going against college football in terms of, like we've watched March Madness our whole life. We've, we've, we've watched March Madness our whole life and it's like, oh, we know, cinderella runs, dude, I have to make a graphic in the middle of this fucking thing. So it's like, uh, all the warning track. So we've watched that our whole life. So we've seen like the Valpo upset. We've seen Butler make it to the national championship. We've seen all these different like fun fairyt stories and and like cinderella stories, I mean, and and that's all great.

Speaker 2: 34:49

When kansas makes the playoff this year, right, if kansas makes the playoff, they're gonna. If they lose in the first round, like the, the overwhelming majority of fans are like kansas sucks, they shouldn't have been there. This is ridiculous. Like there's just so much built in. What's the word we talk about every, every fall? This like um, like like just confirmation bias that you have in your head, like that, that it's gonna be a lot, I think, for for fans to overcome, because you're gonna have a like dude, I'm telling you, it's cool that kansas is in there, right, and if kansas is a good team, I would love to see kansas in there.

Speaker 2: 35:27

I would love to see the 12 best teams compete for a national championship. However, what I'm going to hate is if fucking Kansas runs roughshod through the Big 12. It goes 12-0. Maybe they do what TCU did a couple years ago and it's like well, kansas State is an automatic qualifier because they beat tcu in the big 12 championship, but both those teams are going to get in the playoff now. So if that happens, then you're like what do we fucking do here? Because because if kansas is somehow 11 and one and loses in the in the big 12 championship to a nine three team team, we're all going to be like this sucks, because they're going to be in over a team that deserved to be in. Lsu's about to lose.

Speaker 1: 36:14

Yeah, that's the other thing too, I guess. Does the Big 12 do division still, or is that done for them as well? They haven't done division for forever.

Speaker 2: 36:23

Actually, I'm looking at it right now. You can see the projections Win the division. It's still a thing on here, but it's just zeros.

Speaker 1: 36:35

I guess because I was a little nervous. The ACC always worked out this way when they had divisions where it was like 4-7, clemson would be in and then it would be like a 7-5 UNC or like an 8-4 Miami. That would just get obliterated. But like how bad would that suck if it was like seven and five unc springs the upset and they're like the four seed in the playoff. Yeah, that can't happen if there's no divisions, because you're just gonna have two highly ranked teams probably.

Speaker 1: 37:01

Yeah in most conferences, yeah yeah, so um, what else we got? You want to talk a little little caitlin clark real fast I don't want to talk about it real fast.

Speaker 2: 37:12

Once I went for a long period of time, for a long time. That's your girl look at your hat so yeah, caitlin clark is getting destroyed in the WNBA.

Speaker 1: 37:32

Did I miss something that she said in her past that would have everyone so angry at her?

Speaker 2: 37:37

No, she has pretty privilege, she has white privilege and she's good at that.

Speaker 1: 37:43

She's. She's not I'm not hating, but like do you think that she's like really attractive? I?

Speaker 2: 37:50

think she's attractive. I will also tell you if I get my nuts cut off my alley because you just said made me say that caitlin clark is attractive.

Speaker 1: 37:58

On this, I didn't say that I gave you the opportunity, if I get in trouble for that, it's gonna fall back on you.

Speaker 2: 38:05

Um, now this brings up a good point. Per usual, pat Mack was out of pocket today with something he said about it, so I don't know what she did that made everyone mad. She's a ferocious competitor, right, as are a lot of these girls, right, but she's the best player in college basketball, in women's college basketball, that we've seen in forever. And it's not like it's just the Maya Moore thing, it's not Diane Tarazi. I would say those three are probably the ones I'd put it the best ones. And and Candace Parker output is the best women's basketball players ever seen in my lifetime.

Speaker 1: 38:39

Now here's the thing. Who Rebecca Lobo?

Speaker 2: 38:46

She's insufferable.

Speaker 1: 38:47

Lisa, Leslie Lisa.

Speaker 2: 38:48

Leslie, lisa, leslie, but I don't remember where Lisa Leslie played. I think it was somewhere out west Dominique.

Speaker 1: 38:54

D'Aus.

Speaker 2: 39:01

The other three that I mentioned, like Tarazi and Maya Moore and whoever else, they all went to one school. It was UConn. Caitlin Clark went to fucking Iowa and then made them a national contender and then became and listen, I've said this before Like people are like no one's tuning in to watch Caitlin Clark. I bought Peacock specifically for Caitlin Clark games on Sundays this year and uncut versions of the Office, and it was both of them were worth the $7.99 a month.

Speaker 2: 39:28

Okay, yeah, she's awesome to watch, but she's getting like like you saw it in the, in the in like the tarassian sue bird. Like like telecast, like during, like the final four. They're like when she gets the league, it's not gonna be like that. And you're like what the fuck is wrong? Like I'm sorry that you don't, you didn't have this when she was around. She's like. It's like she's playing in a league full of older siblings and she's like the, the little one that they think got away with everything. But it's like no, she's just better than y'all in every like, in everything she does yeah, I think I it's.

Speaker 1: 40:06

It is strange. It's just pure jealousy. I mean, it's so obvious when someone is literally bringing you as a player, even though it's not based on your skills. You now get to fly in your own team plane rather than getting on the flight like a Spirit Airlines flight with a bunch of other people.

Speaker 2: 40:31

Why did you?

Speaker 1: 40:33

say spirit it's, it's on my mind. I met a pilot from spirit recently oh no, was it in jail? No, I mean, the pilots are.

Speaker 2: 40:43

They're all super smart people yeah, people, the ride spirit aren't. That's somebody that used to. I'll tell you that right now. No, I think I think that the the thing is weird, like if you saw the play that happened this weekend, it blew everything up. It was this girl Trinity, something, and she, her, her and Clark were like John back and forth, and that part's fine. Like I love that.

Speaker 2: 41:05

I also love the fact that we're all talking about women's basketball now, like this feels like we're advancing the game. This isn't like like women's soccer in America is really fun to watch. Every four years it's fun to watch. You know you're going to win the Olympics. And then, during the women's World Cup, it's fun to watch, even though they weren't they didn't compete for it this year and they weren't anywhere close. But it's like that's something that we're dominant in and you know that America is going to win. Other than that, we don't really tune in to women's soccer, right. But women's basketball, you've had this like kind of like not a resurgence, but like this like surge in, like viewership and, like you know, coverage of it, and I thought the guys from PMT brought this up and they made a really good point about it where it's like it, it, kind of it, kind of. Has this oh my god, right shoulder just dropped a fucking pop-up with two outs in the bottom of the top of the 10th?

Speaker 2: 42:01

I don't who's what, like you and you're on second now with with two outs in the 10th, he was like it was a wound in the third out anyway. Um, you have this like this massive surge in viewership and it's really cool to watch. But, like you also have the, this like surge of the casual fan that is now talking about sports and you saw with colorado last year, with football right and deon sanders, where it's like bringing in this new fan base is great for the game. It really is great for the sport, love it. But it's like bringing in this new fan base is great for the game. It really is great for the sport, love it. But it's also bringing about like.

Speaker 2: 42:32

I saw a thing today in an editorial that was like in like the chicago sometimes, or tribune or whatever. It was like if this would have happened off the court, this would have been an assault and it's like no, it's still sports, it's dumb as hell, but it's it's. It's sports. It's just mind-blowing to me that there's so many of these girls that are like, or women that are like like the girl from from chicago who runs into her body, checks or talk shit to her, and then you see angel reese on the sideline like yeah, dude, angel reese hates caitlin clark.

Speaker 1: 43:09

So much, so much so much.

Speaker 2: 43:13

Yeah, it's so blatantly obvious, it's so blatantly obvious. And then she she makes a comment today and she was like you know, like just know that in 20 years we're talking about why people are watching women's basketball. It won't be because of one person, it's gonna be also because of me, and I think y'all need to remember that. And it's like hey, listen, that's great. Toot your own horn, pat yourself on the back, like if you want to play the role of the villain, fucking have at it. Like, have at it. But what you can't do is is then, when you lose, post a bunch of emo shit on your instagram, being like oh, the world's out to get me. I'm so sad because everyone's being mean to me. Take it from me. You can't play both sides of that on social media, I promise you.

Speaker 1: 43:56

It just can't happen. Yeah, I, you know Angel Reese comes off to me as like fake tough. Yeah, I don't know, look, she's good. But I don't think people are tuning in to angel reese games that are casual, just like not even sports fans, or maybe they are sports fans but they've never really watched women's basketball, right, I don't think people are tuning in to angel reese games. So her thought that, like she's the one that's like making the, the progress for women's sports is kind of she, I think she has a ton of progress for women's sports in a lot of ways.

Speaker 2: 44:32

A lot of it off the court and she's good. But also there's a reason why she went 7th overall after her career in women's basketball. She's shooting 35% from the paint. She's a fucking post player.

Speaker 1: 44:46

That's tough to do I don't think, well, I, I'm gonna hold off on that comment.

Speaker 2: 44:52

Also, I do love the fact that, like what I hope happens from all this and I you don't need to comment on this because you're a smarter person than me, but I'll just say it because I'm tired of fucking seeing it every time I get on on the internet it's refreshing to be able to talk about sports when it's two great people, it's a great quote, it's two great people and you can just talk about how, like hey, this person I like her better than this person, or she's better than this person.

Speaker 2: 45:25

Or let's break down this game featuring both these people and they can still be. One can be white, one can be black, and we don't have to have the the conversation somehow be about race. Because, because, like, the cool part about this and the like, the part that makes it feel like it's advanced the most in the eyes of the rest of sports fans in america is that we're talking about basketball. We don't need to keep going to like, oh, people only like her because she's white or pretty or what the fuck ever, and people only dislike her because she's black or whatever. Like, I love that they're catching hate for things that are happening on the court because, like, that's what sports are, and that's that's where those opinions are developed.

Speaker 1: 46:06

That's a good point. What else we got here? Uh, anything from the sec meetings, um, catch your eye. I mean, obviously it's the first one without saban, so that was probably a little sad um, interesting, they might bring out injury reports, but I don't really.

Speaker 2: 46:25

I haven't looked at enough things about that. That will.

Speaker 1: 46:31

Don't you feel like that's really going to change the game for gambling when it comes to college?

Speaker 2: 46:39

I personally.

Speaker 1: 46:42

My man, cam Rising, last year, was never going to play in a game, and yet every game they were like, yeah, he's questionable, right. I remember thinking we would do our preview shows and we'd be like, utah, if cam rising is going to play like this, this changes our, our thoughts on this and like, yeah, we always thought that he was going to play and then he just never did so. Yeah they, I think, as gambling gets bigger and bigger which, which, by the way, I feel like there's some crazy shit going down in the MLB Did you see the guy that got busted today?

Speaker 2: 47:15

Lifetime ban. Who was?

Speaker 1: 47:16

that I don't know who that guy was, marcano. I think he was on the Pirates when he was gambling on baseball, but they said there's multiple other MLB players they're investigating, including the guy on the Braves. That was Otani's teammate and he was gambling through the same bookie as the Otani translator and he's like under investigation right now. And the Braves just randomly turned him into a knuckleball pitcher in AAA and now he's like trying to become a pitcher oh, I saw this guy.

Speaker 2: 47:44

He struck out Holiday the other day.

Speaker 1: 47:47

I mean, here's what Dude I think this kind of stuff is very rampant, very rampant. I think there's a lot of players that are gambling on their own sport.

Speaker 2: 47:58

I think it's because we're still in the infancy of it, right? Not with baseball, that's wild to do with baseball Like that's, I don't wild to do with baseball like that's. I don't like like pete dude. Pete rose is clearly one of the greatest baseball players of all time and is not in the hall of fame because of that, and it's it. That's a different level, because it's so weird that like that's, like a baseball writer saying like no, he broke the sanctity of this, and that like what the fuck ever?

Speaker 1: 48:25

um, I will say that I think to me like he didn't bet against his team, he bet on them to win. It's like. It's like if you were a basketball player, like the guy that just got kicked out, jonte porter um he like, if you're betting on yourself to go over your prop, you're only helping your team win like that's to me. I don't about that it's if you're betting on yourself to go under and then you're faking an injury or missing shots on purpose.

Speaker 2: 48:54

I don't know there's not a slippery slope there With the amount of what's the word I'm looking for here? Technological DNA. They know it's not the right phrasing, but it's like dude, do they track down Calvin Ridley? And they track down the kid Jameson Williams. They track down the like, the physical location of where he made the bet, cause the reason he got suspended was he made him in the building. So if you, if you have all that technology where you're like, okay, we can figure out exactly where the account came from, who's funding the account, where, where you were when you made the bet, that's not a slippery slope, man, that's. I mean, that's just not like. It's not like. If you're betting on overs, yeah, but, but I do think that it's probably something in in college sports that like because, because the thing in college sports is like you're not, you don't have the chance to make as much money like people in in the NBA, nfl, nba. This is pocket change for them. When you've seen me like point shaving in college, it's like life changing money.

Speaker 1: 49:54

Right, yeah, I did. I, I don't know. I just think that there's going to be some, well, a tiny. I thought a tiny was going to be the guy that was just like, oh man, like that's going to be the big guy, but they, I don't know. I I still don't believe that his trainer was the only one that was doing it, especially when, like apparently, david fletcher, the guy from that's on the braves now was like atani's best friend on the team. He gets in trouble for gambling but, like a time clue, how did fletcher meet the bookie? Was he like best friends with atani's translator? I don't know, just Just weird yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:28

I don't know. I don't know how to affect, but I will tell you this. Going back to the college part of it and the the whole comment about how it's like I don't know if this will affect college ball as much as pro football. I do think that the way college football has been run for the last multiple decades, I still think there's a level of of of like I don't give a fuck what the rules are from coaches and stuff. They're like I'm not giving you our injury report. Like I don't, you know.

Speaker 2: 50:59

Like as long as there's a way to be like a viable I don't know, like out like oh well, yeah, we, we had no idea it took a turn for the worst. Like on friday, when we do deliveries on thursday, like they're not gonna do that. There's just. Can you imagine somebody be like, hey, nick saban, we need your. I know he's not coaching, but like we need your uh injury report. Like fuck off, right, we gotta go look at special teams tape right now um, I saw that they're gonna start allowing um sponsored logos on the field.

Speaker 1: 51:30

That's what we should have done.

Speaker 2: 51:32

They might do it on the jerseys too. That's what we should have done. We'll do that for the next one. We're like best possible ones, because there's some good ones that could happen.

Speaker 1: 51:40

That's a good one. Let's keep that as a mental note. Chat, remind us about that idea, because I guarantee we're going to forget. Yeah, best logos. Okay, about that idea, because I guarantee we're going to forget. Yeah, yeah, best logos Okay.

Speaker 2: 51:52

Dabo Go. We'll close with this, all right, I mean you saw the video right.

Speaker 1: 51:56

I'll try to find it while you talk about it.

Speaker 2: 51:58

How did it how? Dabo needs to be the next coach at Texas A&M, and I will start on this hill now and die on it. There's not a more perfect match for weirdos in this country than pepper then pepper, then pepper, no, then um.

Speaker 2: 52:17

Then dabbo and texas a&m, because it's like those two. Those two are like feel like a match made in heaven. It's very weird. It's like it like so, if you missed, this weekend, he, there was a video that came out and I'll tell what. I didn't think it was as cringe as everyone made it out to be. It definitely wasn't as cringe as the TikTok thing and he was like Coach Sweeney got that drip.

Speaker 2: 52:40

Just waving his arms everywhere. It wasn't that bad. It was, however, super weird and I don't know how he gets recruits. Evan brought it up in the chat it is like he forgot the kid's name and it was like you're four, you're five star, and he's like I'm four star and he's like you should be five star, my book, ten star, you're ten star, my book. You know who dabble reminds me of from like, from the way he presents himself on a on a consistent basis in front of cameras, especially he. He reminds me of a grown man bringing his fucking glove to a baseball game or a grown man asking for autographs for major league baseball. It has that weird, just ugh like feeling of like. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 53:33

He's like that. He's like that dad in the in like the batting cages, that's like throwing at the kids and like just being real weird, like a little like over the top weird about sport.

Speaker 2: 53:44

You swing and miss. One more time. I'm gonna tickle you what? No, you're not. You cannot keep tickling Jackson with two X's All right now.

Speaker 1: 53:52

everybody, come on in, let's play.

Speaker 2: 53:54

You missed a sign. I'm going to tickle you. You better stop, brother. You think Jesus missed a sign when he came out of the tomb. I'll tell you one sign we didn't miss the sign of the cross right there.

Speaker 1: 54:08

The father, son and the holy spirit. All right guys. Appreciate you guys tuning in. Um, obviously we're looking forward to the season. We are already in june, so you know what that means. We've got three more months till the season starts, um, so we'll be here all off season, even though there is no off season, according to our boy, josh Pate. Remember, tell your friends about us. Forth and Wrong 400 of you live right now watching us. We appreciate all 402 of you guys. Chris Tyler.

Speaker 2: 54:43

Oh, real quick, just touching base here. As Evan's asking, we'll probably have a show tomorrow. We might not have one the rest of the week. I know we've been talking about doing this Monday through Thursday and all that kind of stuff. This week I am traveling for a wedding in Tahoe and I leave Wednesday at 5.30am, so we might do a show tomorrow, we might not, but either way we'll have some content coming your way sick brag.

Speaker 1: 55:05

Alright, thanks guys. Brag, all right, thanks guys. Outro Music.