Sinister (2012) | Bonus Episode!

It's bonus episode time! On this special episode of Pillow Fright, Elissa, Kay, and Ama have a quick nightcap chat about the *scariest movie of all time (*according to science), 2012's SINISTER! 

We dive straight into this one so if you haven't seen the film...go watch it, grab your copy of Kentucky Blood, and join in on our chat about spooky kids, Baghuul's corpse paint, and of course, those home videos! (oof). 

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Transcript

00:00 - Elissa (Host)
Hi everyone, welcome to a special episode of the Pillow Fright Podcast. I'm Elissa, I'm Kay and I'm Ama, and we are your three besties here to talk to you about all things horror, including bonus episodes. 

00:12 - Kay (Host)
Yay, that's right, we got a special bonus episode, this episode now, particularly when we were talking about what movies to watch, Ama kept pushing for Sinister with her serial k*llers and I was sitting there. I was like that doesn't make any sense, it's not a serial k*ller. And I was like trying to be nice about it, I was like I don't understand where she's coming from. And then I saw Longlegs and then, and then I was like oh, and it's really funny because the perfect pairing. 

00:37 - Elissa (Host)
That could have been a great bonus. We already talked about which was first power, I know, and Elissa was like I, we should say First Power. 

00:43 - Ama (Host)
I was like the f*ck, we're going to save First Power. 

00:45 - Elissa (Host)
I was just like I told you. 

00:47 - Ama (Host)
And then of course we didn't realize all the movies in July would be serial k*ller movies. So here we are, here we are. 

00:53 - Elissa (Host)
This is a different type of serial k*ller movie yes, it's one that I'm drinking a pina colada to, and I'm encouraging.

01:11 - Kay (Host)
But you know it's late at night and they have to drive, so and we just finished another episode. But I'm gonna drink because sinister is that kind of movie, uh, which is? This will be another one where we disagree uh, because I actually like it. 

01:16 - Elissa (Host)
Well, I like it too. That's the thing I. I'm excited to talk about this, I really am, because it has so many different opinions from so many different people and, uh, I love it Till the last two minutes. 

01:27 - Ama (Host)
I think I'm with you. I mean, it's one of those movies. 2012 was a hell of a year. Yes, it was. There's a lot of things I really like about this movie and I think in a lot of ways, it fits really well with this month, because it's really great at building atmosphere and kind of like going through like a whodunit sort of thing or why, like a case and you know it's a little supernatural little like or something spooky is happening and it pulls in a lot of different influences from a lot of the movies that we covered this month. 

01:57 - Elissa (Host)
So yeah, or right at the bat, the first time we saw, when we saw manhunter, which we did the first movie of this month, I the first scene in that, the eight millimeter I was like, okay, did Sinister? Like, because I know that's, I don't know, I don't, I don't think that's in Red Dragon because I read Red Dragon, but I know that's like a thing that happens in that universe, but especially Manhunter, that opening scene and then the opening scene of Sinister, same thing with the hanging, and that's a way to hook your audience it is. 

02:24 - Ama (Host)
and you know what's crazy to me about that? Um, I actually this is an episode where I didn't I didn't do a lot of fact checking, um, but I do have content that I was getting ready to put out this month, uh, where I did some trivia about sinister and the. They actually had a lot of trouble shooting all that 8 millimeter footage really stunt guys getting hurt and you know those are all practical effects for the most part Shot on actual 8 millimeter Super 8 film. Wow. 

02:54 - Kay (Host)
Yeah, that's awesome and it's effective and it works. Yeah, it is the opening and then having the title tie in at the bottom like a little film rip was really great. And you know, know, you put those, the hanging family, in the tree. That's like a very, uh, recognizable image from the film. 

03:10 - Elissa (Host)
So you know you're talking about sinister and like I will always remember where I was, like the minute when I saw them. I saw it with john humphrey, but I I remember sitting there in the theaters and after that scene I felt so uncomfortable and I will never forget that moment, seeing that in theaters, and that's how I know that was so effective. That was a great opening. 

03:27 - Ama (Host)
It was very real time and that's one of the things it's. It's very voyeuristic and it's very much like you're watching someone die in front of you. It's uncomfortable, yeah. 

03:36 - Kay (Host)
Yeah, yeah and it raises a ton of questions. But you, they show it so many times but the first time seeing it of just watching the tree limb fall and everyone go up is just like wait what it's so. 

03:48 - Elissa (Host)
Uncomfortable because there's children there too and they just like their legs are just like flailing, and then all of a sudden it's like nope, and they're done. 

03:58 - Kay (Host)
But they do because of the rules. They do it for everyone. The kids are not like viscerally killed with their faces, so like, yes, the kids dying there, but their faces are covered. They're covered by the hoods and I'm pretty certain that that was for the reason that because you can't show. Well, yes, but you can't show children getting murdered in a gruesome way. Well, that's who. 

04:19 - Elissa (Host)
But for the most I don't think that Blumhouse was going to, I will say, feeding into what I found out today from this guy is that they intended to make this PG-13, which is very interesting to me and that says a lot. 

04:30 - Ama (Host)
But, also. 

04:31 - Elissa (Host)
I feel like if that was the intention too, of course they weren't going to show anything. 

04:34 - Kay (Host)
OK, but essentially we have. Ethan Hawke is a true crime writer. He failed at writing fiction and so now he writes nonfiction. And he had his one big book uh, kentucky blood. And he's chasing that 15 minutes every time and dragging his family with him as much as his family's like I don't want to. I want to go to my school. Yeah, he doesn't care, because he needs his book. And as soon as they move in, the cops are like we don't want you here, we don't like this. Uh, I love the line where the off the chief like I find this an extremely poor taste and it's because his family and we as an audience don't know. But it's not just that he moved to a murder town, he moved straight into the murder house. 

05:14 - Elissa (Host)
And he was conscious of it the whole time and he never told his wife. 

05:17 - Kay (Host)
No, he said. She's like we didn't move a few houses down. He's like no, I'm like no, I wouldn't say that we see these super creepy opening are these tapes of these gruesome murders which we get a bunch of them throughout the film. But the titles, which I love, the titles are great. So we have family hanging out is the first one, cool party, barbecue, sleepy time, lawn work and house painting. 

05:50 - Elissa (Host)
Baghuul must be a dad, because that's some like dad pun sh*t if. 

05:53 - Kay (Host)
I ever heard one that's some dad joke stuff right there. 

05:56 - Ama (Host)
Well, you know, we get. We had a pool party, one in Manhunter too. 

06:02 - Kay (Host)
Oh yeah, we did a lot of visuals of her in the pool, but these films they start out as he's watching them. They start out with the family actually having family home videos that turn into incredibly gruesome murders. Um, since we're not talking about this in like order or anything, what was your favorite of the gruesome murders? 

06:21 - Elissa (Host)
the the pool one. You know, what's insane to me is that the one that's popping in my head because I'm trying not to think of the lawnmower one because that's the obvious like oh, the. I'm trying not to think of the lawnmower one because that's the obvious like oh, the go to that people think of. I'm actually thinking of something from the sequel. Oh no, I know. 

06:38
The sequel is not a you know well made movie. However, there was one good, effective video in there and that was like a rat stomach eating thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yep, it was good medieval torture exactly in this one, though, I think what affected me the most is the was it the car? Was it a car? Yeah, because the barbecue because it was. It was so elongated. And I think the soundtrack stuck out to me because it was like it was just this like really but, like, as each one went on, the soundtrack got more and more intense. 

07:17
with that and that one and again I didn't see this whole. I tried to watch it today and I didn't have time, but I hadn't seen it from start to finish in years. But I'm trying to like remember this for this episode and I thought you know what, aside from the lawnmower, that one stood out to me the most because it was so elongated and the fact that it was titled Barbecue. 

07:35 - Kay (Host)
I was like whore, I mean Pool Party, I think was the most innovative tying to the chairs, the way that they filmed it. You have the water. It's gorgeous but dead, gorgeous but dead. But lawn work was the most gruesome and shocking, and especially the way that they cued the jump scare of um mowing, mowing, mowing in the rain, which you're like, why are you doing this? 

07:57 - Elissa (Host)
and then just well, and again, that's the one that I always think about in the theater the minute you're there, and even if you've seen it 12 times and you know what's coming, it always gets you, because it's that it just passed the point of okay, this is going on a little too long. But now it's like oh, now I'm really unnerved, now I'm really unnerved. And then you stop thinking about it and then, bam, right, when you stop thinking about it, it gets you. 

08:17 - Kay (Host)
Yeah, but I mean you mentioned the soundtrack and I think there's no way to talk about this movie without talking about the soundtrack. 

08:23 - Ama (Host)
The soundtrack is probably the most effective thing a lot of it is like almost like not music, it's just like atmospheric noises and stuff and like it. It reminds me of lords of salem in a way, a little bit yes, yeah. 

08:38 - Kay (Host)
Well, the um christopher young, who has done hell yeah, spider-man 3 um. 

08:45
So he said that in, apparently in the soundtrack, if you go to buy it, he writes like in the little notes, um in the cd, that he normally uses an orchestra and this is his first all synth sound, design, bass score. And if you listen to like, because it's not, it's not music, it is. It's horrifying sounds and it is that's what makes it so deeply unnerving. I don't think this movie would have been as effective as it was without the soundtrack. The soundtrack made it. 

09:14 - Elissa (Host)
If the soundtrack wasn't in there and it's not a judgment on on anybody, it's a judgment on the film itself it would have been just a typical, you know, throwaway, like I think we all know those movies that are there that are literally just cash grabs, and I don't think that was sinister, because the soundtrack, these videos, I think really elevated that and it was so effective. 

09:34 - Kay (Host)
I think that the the way that it's it's sounds of things that like you can identify as something, like you recognize the sound but it's so out of place in the movie kind of throws you and I think it's like it's unnerving. 

09:46
Yeah, and I cause I and I think it's like it's unnerving, yeah and um, I cause, like all of like I hear that, I hear that there's so much of it um, but I mean I would listen, I would listen to this score and I love that he has and also the sound of the reels in there as well. 

10:04 - Elissa (Host)
That's the other like, especially the, the reel tape, like slapping, like oh yeah, and just his character too in this, because I I didn't realize it was. It took me in retrospect, years later, to hear other people talking about this movie to realize he was just, he was a dick, like he was a massive dick in for himself, yeah, and none of this would happen. And because, like it all planned out the way it was supposed to, if he moved, if he didn't move, it wouldn't have happened. It's like a two hour long tales from the crypt episode. 

10:31 - Kay (Host)
Yeah, yes, oh shit yeah, yeah, I do have. He's my bad, he's a bad dad, but I also. One of my notes was like but in honest, if I was unpacking my house and I found it my child having like a demonic like oh, I know I wouldn't take him outside, uh, I would give up and I would be like getting a new kid clean. 

10:51 - Elissa (Host)
I'd be like you're out, yeah, abandoning that one. 

10:57 - Kay (Host)
The way that they did all that and, like I will say, he sucks as a dad. He's a pretty good investigative journalist or what you know he's. He's pretty good at his job of investigating and bringing on tying everything together, but he couldn't have done it without the help of his trusty sidekicks. 

11:12 - Elissa (Host)
Deputy so-and-so. Deputy so-and-so. My favorite, my dog, has his namesake Eddie Kasprack. 

11:18 - Ama (Host)
My favorite, eddie Kasprack. I just had a weird thought that I just realized. So Scott Derrickson cast Ethan Hawke and Deputy so-and-so in Black Phone too. Yeah, they're brothers in that they are. I was like, oh wow, these dudes have spent some time together. Oh, they love each other. Oh, actually, I don't know if they have any scenes together. No, but that means that they clearly have a great working relationship which is awesome. 

11:44 - Kay (Host)
Yeah, loyal director Scott Derrickson loves some creepy kids. 

11:49 - Elissa (Host)
Good loyal director. 

11:56 - Kay (Host)
Yeah, we do also have the extremely talented. 

11:57 - Elissa (Host)
Vincent D'Onofrio, who, like, if I see him on a screen I'm going to keep watching. I was going to say if there's anything to love about this movie, it's his. Oh wait, you have a project. I guess I could do it here. Let me just get the script really quick. Oh, are you calling me on Zoom? Yeah, script really quick. Oh, are you calling me on zoom? Uh, yeah, okay, thank you so much family we're going to europe. 

12:17
Yeah, that was a paycheck. That was his, my cocaine jaws for movie I think he did a great job. 

12:20 - Kay (Host)
I think the same is right for him. 

12:22 - Elissa (Host)
I'm not saying he did a bad job, I'm just saying it was definitely the role that paid for something yeah, it's Whenever someone has like a Zoom performance. He paid his mortgage. It's not a real it's like. 

12:33 - Ama (Host)
But I love him, I trust me. He's one of my favorite actors of all time, but this, this was a lovely paycheck for him. Good for him, the thing is. 

12:43 - Kay (Host)
Ethan Hawke does not leave the house for the most part, so I don't think he would have gone to the college to have the interview, but the cop always comes to him. Ethan Hawke's family gets to leave. He does not leave the house until he leaves the house. And there's a shit show, so I don't think it was just like oh, he doesn't want to do it because it's only going to do Zoom. I think it was very intentional. 

13:03 - Ama (Host)
No, I'm not talking about like within the movie. He took the role because it was just a Zoom call. I don't know. I really like this movie, so. 

13:09 - Kay (Host)
I'm like we're not arguing no, no, no, I'm not saying you guys don't no, but I actually I think I was like every. I feel like it was intentional. I think that it made Because he doesn't leave the house. He's not gonna leave the house. The whole point is he's trapped there because he's under the baguio. 

13:22 - Elissa (Host)
Anybody could have played that role is basically Mario played it because he's awesome. 

13:29 - Ama (Host)
And it was just. It's a good thing when people take roles like that that are just in front of a computer. It's considered like an easy paycheck. 

13:37 - Elissa (Host)
But also let's just think of him always as Thor, as the mechanic. What was his name in Adventures in Babysitting Thor? No I mean they said he was Thor. I call him Thor because he might as well have been Thor, yeah, which? He would have been the best Thor in the planet if they did Thor back then. But it's the mechanic. Oh, we'll look it up and then you'll insert a picture that is the most beautiful, glorious picture you've ever seen, in Vincent D'Onofrio. 

14:01 - Kay (Host)
Well, the other, the other actors in this film that I think that did a really good job, are the kids. You know they don't have lines, but I'm sorry, the dead, dead babies, the dead baby, the dead babies, um, I I don't like, I don't love their, their makeup, but I will say like I mean it's a choice and um, it went. But I think that the, the, the way that they played with the kids is fun, like the, where the, the scene specifically where the kids are kind of chasing them around the house, but it's a game. 

14:27
Wait, which dead babies. All the there were so many dead babies. It's literally the whole point is the dead kids.

14:37 - Ama (Host)
It's interesting to me. I re-watching it today after not seeing it for like x amount of years I don't remember. The last time I watched this movie was I. I did find myself comparing it a lot to black phone, because scott derrickson revisits a lot of the same themes and I'm like, oh he, he definitely has grown as a director in shooting the scary stuff, cause the way that the dead kids look as a group in black phone is far better than the way they look in sinister Like. 

15:08
The stuff that works for me about sinister is the home videos and the like. When you're not, when you're not seeing thing, like when you're not seeing the kids, when you're not getting a full view of them, that's when it's scariest yeah, I thought you literally meant dead like baby. 

15:24 - Elissa (Host)
No, no, it's like what? 

15:26 - Kay (Host)
um, I think that the the part that threw me the most is where the little girl like you're saying it's too close, the little girl's face right next to his, like I was like oh, I don't love the crackly makeup. Like I'm not saying it's it's, it's well done, it's just it didn't work for me. But then I do think in Black Phone the makeup on the ghost kids is impeccable. So, yes, of course people are going to grow, but they shot for something different, and that could have been. It is that they don't want to have just like your stereotypical, you know ghost kid with the under eyes and like white skin they're going for. I think one of the best ghost kids I've ever seen in a movie is Terrified. It's a Spanish film, that little that I mean. He's not a ghost, I guess it's a corpse. 

16:10 - Elissa (Host)
I haven't seen it yet, but I know, like the image, oh yeah, yeah, that little that I mean he's not a ghost, I guess it's a corpse kid, I haven't seen it yet. 

16:15 - Kay (Host)
But I know, like the image I think that you're talking about, it does not leave you but, like you know, you can compare that to like and then you have Black Phone, which is really well done. So the only I'm not saying the look of the kids is what I love. I like that. They're still kids, they're playing as a group and he's walking through the house and they're chasing him, but then it's like hide and seek meets tag meets like red light, green light. 

16:39
Like they can't touch him and as soon as he starts to turn around, they have to hide, but they're following him, chasing him the whole time. I just thought that that scene was well shot and it was very playful. 

16:48 - Elissa (Host)
I feel like the kids might. I can't tell if that's where it lost me or that's where it started to be like, because I like the kid. I like the idea of the manipulation of the kids, because kids are terrifying. 

16:59 - Ama (Host)
Yeah, they want him to go to the next location. Right, they're trying to force him. 

17:03 - Elissa (Host)
And I don't see I should. I wish I could have watched it again, like fully watch that, because I think I remember the scene you're talking about, but I don't like in detail remember it. But I remember it caught me off guard like it scared me. 

17:13 - Kay (Host)
I remember that no, but I think I mean it's a movie about, uh, the manipulative children, and also I mean Baghuul, stole your kids because you were a bad dad like I mean bagul's just they didn't say that, talk about Baghuul, we have to. Um, I love demon face. I did not search him to see if this was real because, like I didn't find that shit in my life no. Baghuul is, he's a. 

17:35 - Ama (Host)
Slipknot reject. I feel like I read somewhere that they didn't they base him off metal. No, I mean, it looks like black metal. 

17:47 - Elissa (Host)
It looks like corpse paint. 

17:48 - Ama (Host)
I feel like they looked at one of those like creepypasta websites and that's where they got the look. 

17:52 - Elissa (Host)
Yeah, I think so. 

17:53 - Ama (Host)
There was something about how they originally were thinking he was going to look like f*cking Willy Wonka. 

17:57 - Elissa (Host)
Willy Wonka, but Johnny Depp's Willy Wonka, apparently is what I found out today. 

18:03 - Ama (Host)
Yeah, I mean, I think their final choice is better. Which is so weird, can you? 

18:06 - Kay (Host)
imagine if he looked like you just see, like like this no, I like to not having like shapeless but shaped and his faceless but faced type of situation. 

18:16 - Ama (Host)
I wish they gave him more to do. I like the character. 

18:23 - Elissa (Host)
It's a similar thing where I mean, when this, this episode comes like I'm not saying spoilers for anything that we have watched, because that wouldn't be fair, but it reminded me of a certain direction. Another movie we watched went where it's like I could have done with it stopping at a certain point where, okay, maybe it was just the kids, like, maybe it was you know, nothing else was going on. 

18:39 - Kay (Host)
But um, well, I will. I think that the the scenes that they did pick, like this movie is very jump scare. Yes, earlier we talked about Long Legs where we said that that movie is not jump scare heavy, it's the tension. This movie was extremely jump scare but it was a it's not an indie film, it was a big release. So it has to go for the jump scares because that's what the general audiences want and I think that the jump scares. They chose the lawnmower that we talked about, each of the tapes. 

19:06 - Elissa (Host)
They were well done, yes. 

19:07 - Kay (Host)
And Baghuul moving in the screen after it's but it's supposed to be a still image and then he, like, looks and looks back. I think that all the jump scares that they chose were effective. All the jump scares that they chose were effective. They the the scene where he's looking and all the kids are there in the attic and then Baghuul in the in the film and then pops in front of him like, and then they use it again at the very, very end, which I was like oh, that's too cheesy but it's very stereotypical for like a end movie, but just doing it. 

19:35 - Elissa (Host)
Yeah, I think that ending was a a certain producer's final say, which is standard. 

19:43 - Ama (Host)
I will say that I think the jump scares of this movie were very effective for their time. Yes, they feel very 2012. 

19:50 - Elissa (Host)
And, like I say, I remember in the theaters watching this and being like this worked, I jumped Like the lawnmower still affected me today, that barbecue still affected me today, and that's why this movie angers me so much, because it I just that last the the twist, it it makes me cry I. But like I, and it's no judgment, if you like the twist, if that's works for you, that's awesome, I'm glad it worked for you, but for me it's like oh, no, it's not for me, the kids did it. 

20:22 - Ama (Host)
Is that, no, like the actual move? 

20:25 - Elissa (Host)
again. But no, I don't even think it's that, I just think how they did the last like five minutes. It's just how they did it with Baghuul all the shushing. Yeah, I don't like that in general, I think Baghuul just bugs the f*ck out of me. 

20:38 - Ama (Host)
He could be so creepy. 

20:39 - Elissa (Host)
He could have been so creepy and if he creeped you out cool I'm glad I love him when he's like in the pool and like I mean yeah all of that stuff. 

20:46 - Kay (Host)
I really dig all that, that's like creepy imagery I think he would have been creepier if there was a little less spagool yeah, yeah. 

20:52 - Ama (Host)
I think that about like, yeah, show it like it's, it's kind of like a shadow or something, if you've got a monster. Whether it's kid, whether it's f*cking King Kong, it always is more effective when you only show a little bit of it at a time. It's way more scary because whatever your brain comes up with is scarier than what's going to be on that screen, like just at the end of the day, he's a Slipknot guy Like I just don't want to see. 

21:15 - Elissa (Host)
Like the sexy, like sexy. I say sexy in terms of style, like I don't he's sexy. I say sexy in terms of style, like I don't. He's a ghoul. Trust me, I'm not that f*cked up. 

21:24 - Kay (Host)
I mean, I will, I will agree. There is that. I think it was. I think the fact that the kids did it was great and I think, because it explained, oh, why aren't the kids there? And all that. But and I, yeah, I think it would have been great if we saw less of him, but I think that the whole movies were fun, that the whole movies were fun. I mean, my only question is like, I don't, it was a little too like, oh well, the kids did it because they drugged and at the same time I was like, nah, that's still, you're still lifting, you're still doing some heavy lifting and then, like they try to show a little more of that in the sequel, they try to justify I'm like, I'm like sorry, you're still a child and I want to be like bad ghoul. 

21:58 - Ama (Host)
Don't be such a lazy bitch like. 

22:00 - Kay (Host)
Oh yeah, do some heavy lifting man, like, how'd she get him on the tarp and have the tarp look so nice? Because, like, if you've ever laid out tarp, I mean I'm gonna put a corpse on it. But like, if you have to, don't lie, you gotta flop it down, you can't drag. So it means the same when you're putting furniture on a tarp. Oh god, I'm getting arrested. No, I'll protect you don't worry but still it's. 

22:21
There was a little too much disbelief suspension there where? But I still like that. It's like, oh well, the tree one it's because they had to use this and oh, they drugged it because maybe it's an old man, but it turned out that it's the kids, yeah. So, yeah, I will agree with you that there there should have been less demon dude, and if he was going to be someone who wasn't like actively helping out, then maybe he should have stayed more of the background character. 

22:44 - Elissa (Host)
Yeah or like it would have been terrifying if it was a real person like, and it really was a true crime case, like I feel like that would have been terrifying if there was like a dude. 

22:53 - Kay (Host)
Just be like, hi, children like Sinister, walked so Longlegs could run truth, but I I mean yeah, there you go. 

23:01
Yeah, I love that. You did Like if you compare it to Black Phone this he did grow a lot as like an artist. But this movie is something that you know. Maybe it is just based on the soundtrack. Maybe it is based on like creepy freaking kids doing murder and for no reason other than like the demon said so and their new little ghost friends, but like ghosty friends it is an effective movie. It's still. If I think it's still a fun, you know it's. If I want some jump scares, if I want that and and I would just watch those home movies and just have that as like a thing and I would have loved to watch this as a summer party with you girls, because that would have been really fun yeah, like. 

23:40 - Ama (Host)
Yeah, I didn't. I don't hate this movie. I don't think it's a bad movie. I think it's a movie of its time with some flaws, but I it's fun. It had potential, but it is. I look at it like this, like are you entertained because? 

23:59 - Elissa (Host)
I am, me too. That's why I don't hate it. And if you love it and you think it, because I guess science, mr science, said that it's the scariest movie of all time, remember, you know, like the science experiment or whatever, based on heart rate but I think it's because, uh, for the same reason that we said that long legs was had our heart rates elevated. 

24:16 - Kay (Host)
It's because of a marketing no, I don't. Uh, for what I was gonna bring up was the fact that we said during Long Legs, it was like a high level of tension that was caused by like that was caused by story filmmaking, and leave it there. I think that the elevated heart rate and sinister comes from the soundtrack. Yeah, and so it might be the scariest movie all time from heart rate, because that soundtrack is constantly unnerving you and those eight millimeter images are very unnerving. 

24:41 - Elissa (Host)
So whatever else is going on in the story, that's still there and still happening and what's outside of the story is just like I also just see as a drama based on this married couple who's just like why are you doing? 

24:52 - Ama (Host)
this like you lied to me you I mean yeah, his ambition, his ego are like. I mean, dude deserves what he got. Yeah, his wife didn't. It really was a Tales from the Crypt episode. 

25:02 - Elissa (Host)
Now that I think about it, it's like and I do, I did like that about the ending, now that I'm remembering how it played out, it's like, oh, this kind of wrapped around, like it was it and like it completed very well, like it was just a whole story from start to finish, which I really really loved. But yeah, it's just. I think it's just Baghuul man. 

25:20 - Ama (Host)
So that's kind of our. That's the end of our serial killer month. Are you guys sad to see it? 

25:25 - Kay (Host)
go, are you? 

25:26 - Ama (Host)
entertained. 

25:28 - Kay (Host)
I mean, I don't think it's going to go. We're going to have more documentaries coming out. Ryan Murphy has a series. Just like he did with Dahmer Dahmer, he now has the Menendez brothers that are gonna. 

25:42 - Ama (Host)
that's in production right, yeah, he will, he did oj and then he, he does like a different. But is that what announced? Which one? The menendez, yeah, okay yeah, um, so it. 

25:53 - Kay (Host)
It's this glamorization, this obsession, this um this real life thing. I mean, I don't really need to see a movie about Gacy and the clown murders because, like good Lord, I meant our month of serial killers. 

26:06 - Ama (Host)
No, no but. 

26:07 - Kay (Host)
I'm saying it's, our month is over, but fictional the obsession with serial with fictional serial killers. The obsession with serial killers is going to always be there, because it's something that truly terrifies America. 

26:18 - Elissa (Host)
Human psychology. I mean it's fascinating. Yeah, it really is. I watch all that shit. I'm not going to lie, it's fascinating. 

26:24 - Kay (Host)
But, fictional serial killers. I like the fictional ones because real life is too scary. It's too scary, I want my. 

26:29 - Elissa (Host)
Buffalo Bills and I want my Hannibals and my, you know. 

26:33 - Ama (Host)
This was a really fun month of movies, but it was also a lot of like movies I think we need a deep palate cleanse, and I think august might bring that something completely different. 

26:45 - Kay (Host)
We had to do some horror comedies real quick because this is hurting. 

26:49 - Elissa (Host)
Oh, I think some of them might be horror, I don't know, but I think that august subject matter could open those doors I think, uh, maybe maybe we got to get our nasa suits on and maybe, maybe we gotta get our NASA suits on. 

27:03 - Ama (Host)
Maybe we're gonna you know visit some intergalactic locations. 

27:08 - Elissa (Host)
Intergalactic planetary? I don't know. 

27:12 - Ama (Host)
You guys tell us what you thought about Serial Killer Month. What was? 

27:15 - Elissa (Host)
your favorite movie that we covered? If we didn't cover it, what are other movies that remind you of serial killer, whodunit crime movies? What do you think? Sinister Love it, or hate it. 

27:26 - Kay (Host)
You know what we should have done Clue Right, damn it, darn it to heck. But yeah, thanks so much for joining us with this. Check out our social media, where we have posted other options, other recommendations as well as, if you missed us, going through any of the marketing for such hits as Long Legs and Maxine, the serial killer movies that came out. Such hits, oh, they're lifetime. You're going to see this in like a box set later. It's like your 3 am CD commercial. 

27:57 - Elissa (Host)
Such hits as Bang-a-gong got it all. Baghuul, anyway, Baghuul shit says bang-a-gong got it all. We have a patreon. Actually, did you did? You know we had a patreon. And if you want to hear us blubber more than we do in public, all the stuff that doesn't make the cut, you can only imagine what you'll find on patreon. Oh, or do you, do we want that? Do we want that? Well, we do have one, whether we like it or not. Uh, you can find uncut episodes, bonus shit. There's more of us. 

28:30 - Ama (Host)
There's more and uh, yeah, that's it. Wrap it up like subscribe. Click the bell listen. Listen every Thursday, wherever you get your podcasts. 

28:42 - Elissa (Host)
And until next time, Sweet screams everybody. 

28:46 - Kay (Host)
And whatever you do, don't fall asleep first or Baguio will get you, or Ethan Hawke will show up or. 

28:56 - Elissa (Host)
Ethan Hawke will be like. 

28:57 - Ama (Host)
He'll do your six million dollar movie. 

28:59 - Elissa (Host)
Or you'll get Vincent D'Onofrio show up for like five minutes. 

29:02 - Kay (Host)
I'm going to sleep first. If that happened, I want to talk to him.