Could Thanos’ snap have been a heroic act to save the universe from catastrophic celestial beings? Join us on this electrifying episode of Three Geeks Chatting as we dissect this mind-blowing theory and delve into the intricate connections between Thanos, the Eternals, and the Ten Rings from Shang-Chi. We piece together the puzzle of Thanos' true intentions and explore if his mission was more than just population control. Get ready for an eye-opening discussion that intertwines the cosmic lore of Marvel’s universe with some of its most iconic characters.
Our journey doesn't stop at Thanos. We venture into the realm of the Infinity Stones, revealing hidden connections and speculating on deeper backstories involving Hela, Odin, and the original Avengers. Was Hela hinting at something monumental when she dismissed the Infinity Gauntlet as fake? Did Odin have a grander, secret quest for the stones? We even entertain the possibility of a past relationship between Hela and Thanos, given her embodiment of death. And what if the Avengers themselves are symbolic representations of the Infinity Stones? These theories are bound to transform how you view the MCU forever.
As we wrap up, we unravel a tantalizing Spider-Man theory that could rewrite Peter Parker’s origin story. Imagine if Bucky, the brainwashed Winter Soldier, was responsible for the deaths of Peter's parents, connecting their fate to Tony Stark’s tragic backstory. We also explore potential links between Peter’s parents and the Red Skull, adding yet another layer of complexity to the Spider-Man saga. Plus, don't miss our heartfelt reflections on Hawkeye’s sacrifices, Heimdall's mysterious link to the Soul Stone, and the purpose behind Stormbreaker. Stay with us till the end for shout-outs and info on how to join our geeky community on social media!
Could Thanos’ snap have been a heroic act to save the universe from catastrophic celestial beings? Join us on this electrifying episode of Three Geeks Chatting as we dissect this mind-blowing theory and delve into the intricate connections between Thanos, the Eternals, and the Ten Rings from Shang-Chi. We piece together the puzzle of Thanos' true intentions and explore if his mission was more than just population control. Get ready for an eye-opening discussion that intertwines the cosmic lore of Marvel’s universe with some of its most iconic characters.
Our journey doesn't stop at Thanos. We venture into the realm of the Infinity Stones, revealing hidden connections and speculating on deeper backstories involving Hela, Odin, and the original Avengers. Was Hela hinting at something monumental when she dismissed the Infinity Gauntlet as fake? Did Odin have a grander, secret quest for the stones? We even entertain the possibility of a past relationship between Hela and Thanos, given her embodiment of death. And what if the Avengers themselves are symbolic representations of the Infinity Stones? These theories are bound to transform how you view the MCU forever.
As we wrap up, we unravel a tantalizing Spider-Man theory that could rewrite Peter Parker’s origin story. Imagine if Bucky, the brainwashed Winter Soldier, was responsible for the deaths of Peter's parents, connecting their fate to Tony Stark’s tragic backstory. We also explore potential links between Peter’s parents and the Red Skull, adding yet another layer of complexity to the Spider-Man saga. Plus, don't miss our heartfelt reflections on Hawkeye’s sacrifices, Heimdall's mysterious link to the Soul Stone, and the purpose behind Stormbreaker. Stay with us till the end for shout-outs and info on how to join our geeky community on social media!
Speaker 1:
What is up everybody? Welcome to Three Geeks Chatting I'm Nicholas, I'm Stacey, I'm Hannah and today our topic is Marvel Theories. Marvel Theories, your microphone's falling. Marvel Theories as the microphone falls.
Speaker 2:
So the first one that I thought of is. So the first one that I thought of is um. Is it possible that thanos wanted to stop?
Speaker 1:
the celsius, you know the big thing in eternals. Okay, yeah, that's just, I didn't pay attention to eternals so the large guy at the very end yeah, so so the more populated the planet is I think it was um it causes the god that lives inside the planet to come out. You know, galactus, what silver server fights yes he's, that's what it's one of them. You know the um. And so when the population gets so much, the god breaks out and consumes the planet.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, thanos' goal was to curb population in the universe by erasing half of all life In Eternals. We learn about the Celsius, our huge beings that merge from planets when enough intelligent life forms on them, their burst to showy worlds. However, thanos' snap delayed the emerge on Earth because the population was temporarily reduced. Given that the Big Bad Brother was an Eternal, it seems possible that Thanos knew about Celsius. What if the Mad Titan's goal was to stop the destruction of the entire planet by preventing their populations from getting big enough to let the comics delay comics begin merge.
Speaker 1:
I've actually seen that. I've heard that theory before, because Eternals was one of the first movies that came out after Phase 3. Eternals was one of the ones that kicked off Phase 4. Honestly, I don't know if I truly think that would be the reason, though, because Thanos' brother is in fact, in the end of Eternals. Harry Styles plays Thanos' brother, but personally, I feel like it was more of an afterthought than part of the main goal. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:
It could have been tied in with something that he wanted us to do, but it could be a possibility.
Speaker 1:
I think it's a pretty interesting possibility, but, like I said, I don't know, because Thanos was all about balance, you know, as all things should be but the Celsius storing half the population, is not balanced that's true is there a Celsius on every planet? Because Gamora's planet got halved it's not clarified if there's one on every planet.
Speaker 2:
I think the Celsius doesn't just take like once it gets big, it like absorbs all the planets. It gets big enough because if the Eternals didn't stop it, it was going to like destroy like everything right um, I don't know to a degree of uh, what what Celsius does. I've only known about it prior to Eternals.
Speaker 1:
I wasn't a fan of Eternals. I was a fan of it. I thought it was a great movie and I thought the ending was really good. But I haven't really done much research on. But I don't I haven't really done much research on it because I don't know much about it.
Speaker 2:
I do know that they're saying that Xing Chong, if that's how you say that. Legend of the Ten Rings.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
That he got the Ten Rings from the Eternals.
Speaker 1:
The um. Are you talking about his father?
Speaker 2:
Could have been his father. I don't know all the details.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
But they do have rings in there, that kind of line up, and there is 10 of them.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I don't know too.
Speaker 1:
Because the movies came out hand-in-hand.
Speaker 2:
I'm pretty sure it was like Eternals and then Xingqiong.
Speaker 1:
I think when I first watched it, I think the original theory that I had because Shang-Chi released before Eternals and we saw that one in theaters and then we watched Eternals on Disney+ is, I truly believe that it was reversed on the order that it happened. I do, too, that Eternals happened before Shang-Chi and the reason for it is, I think, that what Shang-Chi has behind that door, because they never released, if I remember correctly, the end of Shang-Chi, they didn't have that portal open up, right. I think it involved. It had something to do with being combined with Eternals, because Eternals, or the end of Eternals, has Blade, which is the vampire slayer. Shang-chi is, in fact, connected to the Eternals. Yeah, what.
Speaker 3:
I really didn't pay attention to that movie. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:
I know you didn't Like where's Blade Wait Blade. Blade was at the end of Eternals, yeah.
Speaker 3:
What.
Speaker 1:
Harry Styles was at the end of Eternals Yep as Thanos' brother. And then you had the little dwarf.
Speaker 3:
Ah, yeah.
Speaker 2:
I didn't.
Speaker 1:
It was a good movie. I liked it.
Speaker 3:
It was not my favorite.
Speaker 1:
I. It was a good movie. I liked it. It was not my favorite I really liked it, I couldn't focus.
Speaker 2:
Well, look at this theory. You need to focus on that.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I'm excited. Why have you here If that's the theories you've started with? I'm excited to see where you're going to go with these.
Speaker 3:
Pay attention to the rest of the MCU. Okay, not that one.
Speaker 1:
We haven't watched a lot of them lately.
Speaker 2:
Oh, I've watched pretty much everyone that's came out besides from Adam Webb.
Speaker 1:
I've watched TV shows.
Speaker 2:
I've watched almost every TV show except for the second one.
Speaker 1:
It's in this Secret Invasion. I haven't even watched Loki.
Speaker 3:
We didn't.
Speaker 2:
I didn't finish Loki.
Speaker 3:
I haven't even watched Loki, we didn't. I didn't finish Loki.
Speaker 2:
I have an only series I have not watched. That's not counting like Punisher or anything like that. Like the newer series is Secret Invasion and Season 2 of what Ifs.
Speaker 1:
I didn't even know, season 2 came out already.
Speaker 2:
It's been out for a little bit too, I think.
Speaker 1:
Is it good?
Speaker 2:
I haven't watched the season 2.
Speaker 1:
Oh, you just said you haven't watched it. I'm sorry, it's fine. Season 1 I finished.
Speaker 2:
I haven't watched season 2. I need to do. It's only like 3 minutes. It's only like 9 episodes or something like that.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, pretty short, so it takes me a night to get through what's your next theory? I'm really excited now to hear this next one.
Speaker 2:
She has like three pages I think it's close to five yeah, all right so the second one is odin once sought the infinity stones oh, I've heard this one, yeah because, he has the gauntlet uh.
Speaker 1:
Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, when Helena is in Odin's treasure vault she mentions the Infinity Gauntlet is a knockoff.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Maybe she knew what the real one looks like because Odin tried to find the stones. The space stone was first found in Norway. Yeah, odin tried to find the stones.
Speaker 1:
The space stone was first found in Norway.
Speaker 2:
No, Odin may have known about the Aether Stone's location since his Dabor I think that's how you say that Hit it After learning. Hela is Thor's half-sister. We don't know anything. What happened to her mother Never says, so. Maybe Odin sacrificed her mother for the soul stone and afterwards returned it out of regret and decided to stop looking. This would explain why he suddenly locked up Helena and focused on peace.
Speaker 1:
Man there is. I have seen theory that he was after the Infinity.
Speaker 2:
Stone. He knew what almost happened to him was.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And he had a gauntlet down his treasure vault.
Speaker 1:
There's also the fact that, if I remember correctly, helena and Thanos were love interests. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker 3:
I've seen that Thanos wanted death. She is death.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, Helena's death Sorry.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, she is, isn't she? I forgot about that, I don't know. My brain went to the comics and she don't look like anything she does in the comics, which that would have been pretty cool, but the actress is so beautiful they couldn't do that.
Speaker 2:
This next one. I don't know if it would really be a theory, but after I wrote it down and I guess if you actually really watch it we could have. If we made after I wrote it down and I guess if you actually really watch it we could have. If we made. If we knew where marvel was headed, we probably could have figured out they were having infinity stones before infinity wars I think some people did have that because the six original members represent the infinity stones.
Speaker 2:
I've heard this one. So you have Iron man as the mind, arguably the smartest one. Thor is space because he comes from different slash fairways, travel places, traveling through the Bifrost. Hulk is power. Captain America is time because he lived in and experienced different eras, essentially traveling through the time. Black Widow is reality because she's one of the toughest arguments to make, but I think for her, her experience with the Red Room has made her consider what could have been other realities. Also, her tendency to see both sides, like in Civil War, determined her abilities to consider the reality the complex of reality.
Speaker 1:
Now, do you think they had this planned out that far ahead, or do you think it was coincidental?
Speaker 2:
With Stan Lee. I don't put it past him.
Speaker 1:
That's true.
Speaker 2:
Because he had a lot of movies planned in time.
Speaker 1:
Now do you think that the Marvel movies are slipping here recently because of his passing?
Speaker 2:
Because I think he had I don't feel like there was good. Yeah, guardians of the Galaxy, volume 3 was really good Guardians of the Galaxy was probably already written before he passed, though.
Speaker 1:
And the Spider-Man movies. Oh, the Spider-Man movies, yeah.
Speaker 2:
But we talk about Morbius. That wasn't written by him. Morbius was pretty rough, it was rough.
Speaker 1:
Me and Hannah went and saw that one. You were sick that night. It was rough. They had Matt.
Speaker 2:
And then we have Hawkeye, which is a soul and the heart of the team, often has to sacrifice loved ones, typically leaving his family to do what he believes in. So it was kind of almost lined out.
Speaker 1:
That's true it was. I don't know. That's a theory that I'd be willing to argue against, it's just my opinion. I think that they're all pretty accurate to their comic book counterparts. I don't know if I would go with. They were based on the Infinity Stones.
Speaker 2:
They may not have started based on the Infinity Stones. They may not have started based on the. Infinity Stones. But it could have went Because Iron man has the Mind Stone at the end.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Thor has space, Technically the Aether, but that was supposed to be. Technically, Gamora has the Aether Stone. Yeah, because it's in her blade.
Speaker 1:
It's true.
Speaker 2:
That's why Thanos was hunting her down, but that's also what gets in, jane, and I hide it. Yeah, I don't know I also see a theory, and I don't know how true it is, but the gatekeeper, I can't. On Thor was the holder of the soul song, because he could see and all the souls and know everything, and his eyes grew yellow. I don't know if that would be true or not that would be a tough one.
Speaker 1:
His son does the same thing, though. I looked into it and and it's like Speaking of DNA, did you catch our last episode about cloning? If not, go watch it now, after this episode.
Speaker 2:
So I can see that one being kind of arguable. I don't know, I was curious on it. I didn't write it down as a theory, but it did pique my interest.
Speaker 1:
I think that's pretty. I think that one's interesting. I don't know much about him in the comic book enough to argue it or to approve of it. You know what I mean. In my opinion, I like Hymnal Heimdall. Heimdall, yeah, it's his name.
Speaker 2:
Another theory that I've seen that the Stormbreaker was actually made to be able to pull back Thor in case he got on an outrage Because Odin knew the potential with Helena. So he made the Stormbreaker not to kill Thor but to pretty much strip his powers away almost.
Speaker 1:
Really. That's another theory that I heard.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I, but because Thor always thought his powers came from the hammer.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
And then it got took away and he still had his powers, so it didn't come from the hammer.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, which I really. Thor 3 was one of the best thor movies and that scene where he he's like is uh, they bring in the acdc stuff, I just I watch, I rewatch it on youtube because it was just such such a good scene. Thor Thor 30 really showed Love, and Thunder Stanley had been passed away for a while by then.
Speaker 2:
There's a certain point where he stopped. I thought Black Widow was his last one. He wrote.
Speaker 3:
I mean he's going to be involved in spirit, no matter what, because he created these characters so um so is it possible that bucky was brainwashed into killing peter's parents as the winter soldier?
Speaker 1:
that's an interesting one because no one has seen they've not touched based on the new peter parker, tom holland's parker at all, involving his parents to the point where no one knows what his parents do so bucky was brainwashed into completing several assassinations.
Speaker 2:
When he turned into the Winter Soldier by um, how do you say his name, Zola?
Speaker 1:
No, I can't Z-O-L-A. Have you seen it? Yeah, zol, zol he killed Tony's parents.
Speaker 2:
What if he killed Peter's? One of the hints is to activate Bucky's mind was Homecoming, which was Spider-Man's first film with.
Speaker 3:
Tom Holland. But what's the motive to killing Peter's parents, unless I mean, if we know nothing about this, spider-man's parents?
Speaker 2:
What's the motive?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, what's the motive? Because, like you know Iron man, you know Tony Stark, his parents. Obviously there's a big motivator there, because he did a lot of stuff. But Peter's parents we don't know. Like you said, we don't. Yeah, this new one, Tom Holland's parents, we don't know if that's it, unless they're just continuing from the last Spider-Man and just assuming that's part of the thing, Tony's, I mean, with the last Spider-Man movie. They're obviously just different versions of each other. So does the parents stay the same in every single thing, Like there's always a sacrifice between Aunt May or Uncle Ben, or? Well, I don't think Mary Jane ever gets sacrificed, Gwen Stacy, you know they're always in danger, so maybe that's what they're keeping. So in that sense, yes, there would be a motive.
Speaker 2:
Because Tom's parents and Peter's parents could have been working together with SHIELD, making them a target for HYDRA.
Speaker 1:
Here's something interesting. Here's something interesting. Here's something interesting. I looked this up because I was curious on if Peter Parker's parents had been mentioned in anything.
Speaker 2:
I have not with Tom Holland.
Speaker 1:
Here's something I found that might be a little interesting. So here's something I found that might be a little interesting. This was posted a year ago to the question what happened to Peter Parker's parents and why? Was he raised by Uncle Ben and Aunt May. They were murdered by the Red Skull and so orphaned Peter Parker was raised by his aunt and uncle.
Speaker 2:
It was like the third Red Skull or something right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and it says although he thought they were traitors working for Skull, he later found out they were deep cover double agents working for Nick Fury, back before Nick Fury was Samuel L Jackson.
Speaker 2:
Which would be Shield. Yep, so that would be Nick Fury.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and that's what I was going to say. It was orchestrated by Captain America villain Red Skull. They were agents of SHIELD In the original comic book. I do know that they were working on radioactive spiders, which henceforth is how Peter Parker got his ability, but they instead. They got in a little too deep and things went haywire. They were killed in a plane crash what was that on purpose?
Speaker 1:
comic book wise yes so it could be in the movies we got another Spiderman movie coming and the original trilogy, tobey Maguire yeah, we got another Spider-Man movie coming, so, yep, and the original trilogy Tom McGuire. Toby McGuire didn't touch on his parents as much. Andrew Garfield did a lot and they had the same plot point of the comic um, where he was working, you know, on this stuff. And then Tom Holland hasn't been, hasn't touched base on it, but I think that it's going to be something probably similar, because there's no way they're going to stop Spider-Man now and with the introduction of the multiverse, I think we're just touching surface for Spider-man because to this day, spider-man is probably the biggest uh. It's what saved marvel, as has been doc like doc documented spider-man. Toby mcguire saved marvel uh. So I'm very curious on what they're going to do with spider-man uh here in the future then they they got to get Spider-Man and Deadpool together.
Speaker 3:
I'm sorry, I need to see that.
Speaker 1:
I would be so shocked if the new Deadpool movie does not have Spider-Man in it. I will be so surprised because do you know what Spider-Man I want in it? With Deadpool, andrew Garfield, andrew Garfield, andrew Garfield and Ryan Reynolds Together as Deadpool and Spider-Man, would be insane to me. Tom Holland, great actor, I don't think he's in that position To be the Spider-Man that you see with Deadpool. Tobey Maguire Is too mature. He's that older, wiser Spider-Man that you see with Deadpool. Tobey Maguire is too mature. He's that older, wiser Spider-Man. Andrew Garfield from the multiverse movie, or no Way Home or I got them all confused. The no Way Home movie, andrew Garfield's Spider-Man was still pretty out there and funny. He still pulls off such a good. Andrew Garfield movies were not my favorite, but Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man was phenomenal. No matter what, I think Tom Holland's a perfect mixture of both Tobey Maguire's, the perfect Peter Parker. Andrew Garfield was the best Spider-Man persona.
Speaker 3:
He does get more jokes.
Speaker 1:
He got more jokes. He got funnier ones, like when they pulled out the gun he was like oh no. Or they flipped out the knife and he's like oh no. My only weakness Small knives, I mean. Andrew Garfield was phenomenal.
Speaker 2:
I like the movies. I think they're pretty good.
Speaker 1:
They're pretty good. What's your next one? I'm so excited to hear Keep going.
Speaker 2:
So Thanos adopts Gamora only to have someone to sacrifice. It never really says why he adopted Gamora, because it says he never really adopted more gomor because he wanted her, but instead he knew that he that he had to get the soul stone and he would need someone to sacrifice. But after adopting her, he became too attached to her and adopts nebula. His next plan was to send ne, nebula and Gamora to the Soul Stone, where Gamora would sacrifice Nebula. That's why he constantly puts them against each other and to be certain Gamora would win every time. Every time Nebula lost, he would replace a part of her body with another mechanical part, not to make her stronger, but actually the opposite, making sure she would always have a disadvantage against her sister. This is also why Nebula seemed to know the price of the Soul Stone, but not Gamora.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, but Thanos didn't know the price of the Soul Stone when he got there with Gamora. Gamora knew the location of it, but when they got there Thanos didn't know.
Speaker 2:
He was crying. Yeah, I think he probably knew. He just may not have acted like it.
Speaker 1:
I don't know. I don't think he he didn't cry until after they said it like it. I don't know after he said it. I don't think Thanos knew he took him with her that's because she knew the location. Gamora knew the location.
Speaker 2:
Nebula told her. But Nebula knew the sacrifice of the soul, stone yeah how else would she have known that?
Speaker 1:
I don't know, that's interesting. I don't. So, that's another one that I personally. That's another one I personally. I'm kind of like uh, Personally, I don't think he did.
Speaker 3:
That's actually your theory. That's the first thing that pops up. He didn't know about the price. According to this, he found out when he got to Vomar with Gamora.
Speaker 2:
Maybe he had thought about it Soulstone with Gamora.
Speaker 1:
Maybe he had maybe thought about it Soul Stone, you know and maybe he got too attached to Gamora when he was a little kid. If we're looking at the movies, the whole movie concept is he didn't. However, it could still be a theory that he did because he did adopt Gamora. It's personally a theory I he did because he did adopt Gamora. It's personally a theory I don't believe in.
Speaker 2:
I would like to know why he adopted her because he did wipe out the whole planet she lived on, but her he adopted half of it didn't he.
Speaker 1:
No, the entire planet.
Speaker 3:
I thought he just did half.
Speaker 2:
I thought he did the whole planet.
Speaker 3:
Because he was killing and he turned her head, but that's because that was the half that her mom was on.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that's the part that gets me.
Speaker 2:
Because if he kept half the planet, why did? He just send her back.
Speaker 1:
I don't know.
Speaker 3:
Probably because he knew his. Her mom was there on the side that got destroyed.
Speaker 1:
Maybe he specifically did that. He don't care but he liked how tough she was. I was going to say it is never explained so I don't know.
Speaker 2:
And then he turned around and got Nebula.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
So he had two, and for what reason? Because he's powerful in himself. He don't really need Nebula anymore.
Speaker 1:
No, and even then, at the time he was working with another species, yeah, yeah, and even then he, uh, at the time he was working with another species, yeah, um, so he, he technically didn't need them anyways, because he had this whole other maybe he thought that he needed to sacrifice someone for the soul stone, but didn't think it was true.
Speaker 2:
And then when he got there and he had more, he was sad because it was true.
Speaker 1:
He had to kill her yeah, I don't know it does never going based off movie. It doesn't explain it and they make it seem like he did it. However, there are some things that they just don't say why, and so it does make you think, so I don't know. Um, definitely, definitely something. I don't think they're ever going to talk Like, they're never going to explain it, especially with the fact that Guardians of the Galaxy 3 pretty much put the end to Gamora.
Speaker 2:
I know I was sad about that.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, they pretty much showed Gamora, you know removing her.
Speaker 2:
Well, I mean, it's not the original Gamora.
Speaker 1:
anyways, the original Gamora is splattered somewhere, so you know.
Speaker 2:
On the end of the mountain, on Balmier, yeah, With Red Skull just sipping his coffee looking down.
Speaker 1:
He's such a nice guy in real life. By the way, the guy who played Red Skull at Endgame, he's such a nice guy.
Speaker 2:
We gotta talk.
Speaker 1:
And the Walking Dead.
Speaker 2:
And Age of Ultron in the what If series.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, he's a nice guy.
Speaker 3:
Very nice guy.
Speaker 1:
Got his autograph. Definitely, If you ever get the chance to meet him, he's a cool guy. Well, guys, we're so happy that you could stop and listen to us. And what do you guys want to plug?
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