Discover the intricate details behind Christian McCaffrey’s monumental contract extension with the 49ers and what it means for his future with the team. We also honor a Giants tight end who has recently retired, sharing his remarkable journey from addiction to redemption, despite recent battles with injuries. Shifting gears to league dynamics, we dissect Mike Tomlin’s unexpected contract renewal with the Steelers, debunking the speculations about his potential departure.
Get the inside scoop on the Buffalo Bills' strategic roster moves this offseason, spotlighting the re-signings of Teron Johnson and Deion Dawkins, and the exciting draft of wide receiver Keon Coleman. We break down how these decisions blend young talent with seasoned leadership, setting the Bills up for a promising future. Our analysis moves onto the Miami Dolphins, where we scrutinize their impactful additions, including Odell Beckham Jr. and Shaq Barrett, and the significant contract extension for Jalen Waddle, which could reshape their offensive dynamics.
Lastly, we tackle the New York Jets' ongoing struggles and potential fixes, focusing on Zach Wilson's development and the lingering effects of former coach Adam Gase’s tenure. We cover pivotal offseason moves like acquiring Aaron Rodgers' preferred targets and adding Tyrod Taylor to the roster. Our conversation rounds out with a look at the Patriots' new strategic approach under their latest head coach, emphasizing their mix of veteran mentorship and rookie potential. Stay tuned as we wrap up with our playoff predictions and team rankings for the highly competitive AFC East, and the potential rise of teams like the Dolphins and Jets.
Discover the intricate details behind Christian McCaffrey’s monumental contract extension with the 49ers and what it means for his future with the team. We also honor a Giants tight end who has recently retired, sharing his remarkable journey from addiction to redemption, despite recent battles with injuries. Shifting gears to league dynamics, we dissect Mike Tomlin’s unexpected contract renewal with the Steelers, debunking the speculations about his potential departure.
Get the inside scoop on the Buffalo Bills' strategic roster moves this offseason, spotlighting the re-signings of Teron Johnson and Deion Dawkins, and the exciting draft of wide receiver Keon Coleman. We break down how these decisions blend young talent with seasoned leadership, setting the Bills up for a promising future. Our analysis moves onto the Miami Dolphins, where we scrutinize their impactful additions, including Odell Beckham Jr. and Shaq Barrett, and the significant contract extension for Jalen Waddle, which could reshape their offensive dynamics.
Lastly, we tackle the New York Jets' ongoing struggles and potential fixes, focusing on Zach Wilson's development and the lingering effects of former coach Adam Gase’s tenure. We cover pivotal offseason moves like acquiring Aaron Rodgers' preferred targets and adding Tyrod Taylor to the roster. Our conversation rounds out with a look at the Patriots' new strategic approach under their latest head coach, emphasizing their mix of veteran mentorship and rookie potential. Stay tuned as we wrap up with our playoff predictions and team rankings for the highly competitive AFC East, and the potential rise of teams like the Dolphins and Jets.
Welcome back to another episode of Turf Talk. I'm your boy, Dewey Vance, and I'm here with my partner, Scott Schaus. How are we doing today, brother?
Speaker 2:Hey, we're doing good today, man. We went and hit the gym this morning, pumped some iron, got a nice little workout in, and now we're going to talk some football.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm Living right. Yes sir, all right, let's jump right into it. So, after a weird free agency market with the running backs, we have our superstar running back, christian McCaffrey, getting the extension.
Speaker 2:The one that deserved it, who I thought should have won MVP. He was the best football player on the season. Now, granted, I'm not taking away from Lamar even though I can't stand the damn Ravens but as the quarterback award, I feel like they were just waiting on somebody to do something spectacular. And he did. When he turned up on the 49ers, yeah, but before it was like kind of Brock Purdy and I'm like well what about CMC?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that being said, lamar every time the Ravens did need Lamar to turn up, and now you did a big matchup he turned up?
Speaker 2:Yeah, he did, he showed up, he showed up yeah.
Speaker 1:He ripped off that jersey and there was an S under that.
Speaker 2:But they extended him and reworked his deal To give him an average salary Of 19 million dollars Per year.
Speaker 1:Especially after all these running backs are kind of getting Jipped the last couple years yeah, it's been bad. That kind of locks him up For the future. He's getting a little older in age for a running back. I would say yeah, for sure. This probably means he'll probably spend the rest of his career probably most likely.
Speaker 2:He very well could retire a Niner.
Speaker 1:Speaking of retirement yeah, speaking of retirement. A guy who, when we talked about our NFC East recap, we mentioned how the Giants added a lot of tight ends and he actually went ahead and informed the Giants the other day that he's hanging it up. All these injuries have kind of taken a toll on him the last couple of years. He's trying to venture out into other things.
Speaker 2:He's had a hell of a comeback story, a great story from fighting drugs. I think he was addicted to pills yeah, he is Fentanyl and for him to be able to kick that habit and to be able to come back and continue his career in the NFL. He had some pretty good years with the Raiders. We were hoping that he would have a new situation here. It wasn't the same, just the injuries. The damage was already done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it really sucks because I mean, right when the guy was breaking out he had that big old breakout year and then all of a sudden he started getting banged up a lot. I mean the Raiders had their quarterback woes. At that point in time we thought maybe Devontae Adams would kind of give that offense a new jolt, and then ultimately Darren Waller kept getting hurt so they had to ship him away. And it just sucks because, yeah, it was starting to get a little exciting because actually I mean, in a league that's known for scarcity at tight end, tight ends were kind of starting to blow up. At that point. We were starting to kind of guys come out of nowhere a little bit, and it's kind of slowed down a little bit more as the years went on.
Speaker 2:Although here in the last couple of years it's starting to pick back up a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're getting a lot of young guys. Yeah Luke Musgrave, Dalton Kincaid, TJ Hawkinson, to name a few.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Noah Phan starting to come into his self. Finally he found a good system. Didn't look like Denver was the right fit, yeah well.
Speaker 1:Seattle kind of looks a little more like Iowa football. He's used to that ground-and-pound play-action pass.
Speaker 2:Mike Tomlin got his extension.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shockingly, especially after all the rumors of like people were like oh, it's gonna be his first losing season and he's gonna be gone.
Speaker 2:And people were talking about him even leaving last year and going to the booth and working for a broadcast company which he very well could have his first losing season, but that's going to be another day when we talk about our division. Yeah, so they lock up their most on his way probably to be the most winningest coach in Steelers history. I would assume, before he goes to hang it up, he'll have that record One of the most winningest coaches in NFL history, yeah, in.
Speaker 2:NFL history. At that, he's never had a losing game. They've had plenty of 8-8 seasons back when we had 16-game slates.
Speaker 1:but but 8-8 looks a lot better than 7-9. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He does look a lot better on his resume than 7-9. So on to what we came here. Yeah, Division breakdown.
Speaker 1:Getting what we came here for.
Speaker 2:Yeah, then we're getting down to the nitty gritty here. So, as we like to do, we're going to start off with the division champs, Buffalo Bills. So this year they got cheap. They got to get cheap in a lot of areas, pretty much everywhere besides quarterback.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because that Von Miller contract really crippled them at a couple, probably a solid three other spots. Honestly, if I'm being honest, that's another three quality starters. Somewhere you might be able to keep a Gabe Davis, although inconsistency might have been time for him to go anyway, shakira's kind of looking, kind of nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do like what Khalid Shakira, I think if you put him in that role, I think he makes him a little bit more quick, because Gabe Davis is a one trick pony. Yeah, go long. Well, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then now they're starting to get the running game together with James Cook. That kind of blew up late in the year after they got Rivkin Dorsey, which is funny how that worked, because they didn't change any personnel outside coordinating and all of a sudden they weren't running the ball a little bit more. But the average yards per carry just went up. Yeah, significantly better. Yeah, james Cook looked like a pro bowler running back towards the end of the year, potentially.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and speaking of where they got to get cheap because they gave, they paid Diggs. They paid Josh Allen, who they had to move off of was Stephon Diggs and they took a big cap hit on that, off of him. And then with the Von Miller contract, it's squeezing up a lot of your cat space, which is why they had to let go of guys like Jordan Poirier, tredavious White, mitch Morse they had to let him walk on Saran Neal. He left.
Speaker 1:And that's a real. You mentioned Jordan Poirier. Yeah, that's a big spot. They're going to be missing because Micah Hyde's completing retirement, so they're going to have two new guys back there, and that's going to be and those guys have been back there since. They've been together ever since Micah Hyde left the Packers, and that was back in like 2015 or so. It's been about, it feels like about 10 years he's played in Buffalo.
Speaker 2:So they did bring some guys back, though. They brought Teron Johnson back. They gave him three years for $31 million.
Speaker 1:I thought that was a they was able to bring some of that core back.
Speaker 2:They brought back defensive tackle Daquan Jones. Two years he got $10.5 million guaranteed on his deal but could be worth up to $16. And then the big one that I thought was huge, especially for Josh Allen, is that they brought back Deion Dawkins. Yeah, which is from an offensive line that's already shaky.
Speaker 1:That's your best offensive line. Arguably, yeah, and that's not. Arguably. They're on an argument too. Mitch Morse is gone too.
Speaker 2:So they was able to lock him up. They gave him three years, $60.5 million. Aj Espinenza, who's somebody I really like. I really like AJ. He's got injury issues and I also like them bringing back Taylor Rapp, yeah. So at least they was able to lock up some of their guys. Just the more expensive guys, the more the vets, just the older guys they had to go. They got younger, but they brought back a lot of their mid-tier guys and these guys are they going to be bringing back. They got to fill some shoes from the guys that just left.
Speaker 1:But yeah, it was about time to kind of shave those older guys a little bit, get rid of some of that money, go a little more younger for Josh Allen's sake, and now kind of, with all those guys gone, I mean he was already pretty much the leader of that team, but now you're the de facto leader.
Speaker 2:Yeah, von Miller's older, he's a vet, but he ain't been there nearly as long as you, you're going to have to step up and make a couple more throws and rely on you more than just Diggs being open. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it should be. But in that being said, he did make John Brown and Cole Beasley 1,000-yard wide receivers. He did.
Speaker 2:And, speaking of their wide receivers, I can't wait to start to get into their draft because they got my boy. They got my boy yeah.
Speaker 1:I was getting ready to talk about that, they got my boy, kevin Coleman. Yes, sir, yeah, we got Keon Coleman. Keon Coleman. My bad Kevin, my bad Keon Coleman. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:And he was able to trade down twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Twice and got him. I was so excited about this pick, even though they're AFC rivals. I was a big Keon Coleman guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, he, he fell in the draft.
Speaker 2:I really don't understand why, besides the 40 time, but yeah, the 40 time killed him, but he had the best shuttle time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's because I don't think it's that he fell, because I think he just didn't stand out.
Speaker 2:There was just other guys, because look at how many receivers were taken. That was tied for the most receivers taken in the first round and maybe they knew that they had the chance to be able to trade back and get him. I could have swore Carolina probably was going to trade up to get him, but maybe that's why they were comfortable with trading down, because they knew that maybe they knew Carolina was looking at somebody else. Yeah, yeah, maybe. Yeah, because they got it was Leggett, didn't they?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got Leggett from South Carolina. But yeah, this is a guy who I mean, like you said, the 40 time I mean I see on an actual Film that he's faster than a 4'6 and that he plays better than a 4'6 40, so that doesn't really tell me much. And the fact of that is like he's a nice, he's going to come in there and be Immediately the XY receiver. He's number one. I mean we've talked About Shakir and all that. Nice, he's going to come in there and be immediately the X Y receiver. He's number one. I mean we've talked about Shakir and all that, but like he's.
Speaker 2:He's the big body. He's the 6'4", 220-something, I think is what he weighed in at, yeah, and most importantly, hell of a kid. Yeah, he's got a good head on his shoulders. It's not often you see 22, 23-year-old kids giving financial advice about shopping at Macy's. Yeah, you know getting the deals. You know if you have that right here. You know if he pans out how I think he's going to pan out. Wait until he gets that first big extension, you know.
Speaker 1:And then a division with a lot of solid defensive backs. He was second in the past two years in college football with 12 contested touchdown catches. So I mean he can go up there and get it with the best of them. And the dude just turned 21, like a month ago. So I mean this guy's you know he's got the limit on that team and he's got. He's come in there with probably I mean with a lot of the quarterbacks coming into the league. I mean especially a guy who's going as the number one Out of the guys like a Marvin Harrison Jr or LSU kid, malik Nabors yeah, malik Nabors, the rookies who are going in as the number one wide receivers. He's in the best circumstance. He's in the best situation. He's got an MVP caliber quarterback. You're on a playoff team. You're on a team that has cerebral expectations.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would argue, adunze too, but Adunze is going to need some time to do's because he's going to probably eventually be the one B. We've talked about one of our previous episodes but no, yeah, he's going to. He's the de facto number one. Or maybe you could argue you know Xavier Worthy, but then you have the Rasheed Rice thing, but no, out of everybody that's there, like you're the guy.
Speaker 1:And Xavier Worthy still has. Travis Kelsey, hollywood Brown you know they have other guys. They spread. Patrick likes to spread the ball around. You know this is going to be Josh. Josh has the number one wide receiver in it and it's very known that that's his number one wide receiver. I'm going to put the pill on you a lot. It should be that. That should be very interesting. I'm going to put the pill on you a lot. That should be very interesting Because we should probably know over the first couple half of the games what his season is going to look like. Really ideally, or that offense, necessarily.
Speaker 1:So, speaking about the safeties earlier, about them losing Micah Hyde they got Cole Bishop from Utah. About them losing Micah Hyde, they got Cole Bishop from Utah. Oh, and Jordan Porter I'm sorry, my bad. And then, which is a really solid pick, probably a guy who they brought back Taylor Rapp. But this is a guy who's probably going to. He's going to see the Phil Laza rookie Dude for a safety. He's a freak, he's kind of a freak. 6'2" 207, ran 4'4" 540. And I mean he can do it all. I mean, if he doesn't start at safety, he's going to start, he's going to play somewhere. He's going to play nickel or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just going to say, throw him in at nickel.
Speaker 1:Maybe, yeah, maybe, bring him in for, yeah, his last year in college football, dude had three sacks to go along with his two interceptions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just getting ready to say he was a run. I figured a guy like that would be a run stuffer. Bring him in on blitz packages.
Speaker 1:And coming from a very disciplined team from Utah who's known for defense the last couple, like last decade. Honestly, I mean he's going to be an impact player and, like you said, these young guys are in big shoes to fill, so look for him to immediately probably play a lot. And then I like their pick. Who might not see? He probably won't see the field very much at all this year. Dwayne Carter, barring injury, but with a team that really lacked defensive line depth and it showed last year with Ed Oliver being kind of their sole. Yeah, because Daquan Jones.
Speaker 2:He went down, they had Matt Milano and Von Miller, Von Miller's killing them in more ways than one. Yeah, yeah honestly.
Speaker 1:And then a guy who, who, who's one of my favorite backs in the draft. I might be a little biased Cause he went to Kentucky university, Kentucky guy, Ray Davis, a bigger back of five, eight to 11 guys that Maurice Jones drew build. So Doug Martin, which some of my favorite runners of all time, but I love Doug.
Speaker 2:Martin of thing. Yeah, one of which some of my favorite runners of all time. That was a real Doug. I love Doug Martin.
Speaker 1:He was such a physical guy in Tampa Bay, yeah but don't let that size fool you because, like I mean, he doesn't have a lot of yards receiving, but he has 12 touchdown catches out the backfield in the last two years. So this guy could be a very versatile player and could take a lot of pressure off of James Cook, as James Cook could be the outside runner and then he could be the in-between tackle guy more physical.
Speaker 2:He finished up there as a leading rusher in the SEC, didn't he?
Speaker 1:I want to say so. He was up there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know he was up there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was up there. Yeah, I think he could be for sure, if not the number two back, at least a big change of pace. Power back, yeah. Third and one, let's give it to the bowling ball like um, oh, yeah, ok, let's get to an idiot. Ok, this is a really interesting prospect. I read about.
Speaker 1:His name is Tylan Gamble, from from a not Jack, I guess Jacksonville State, yeah, jacksonville State. Slash University of Central Florida. He finished up at Central Florida. I know which school is safe, but we'll say both. So this kid is a high school quarterback who was a walk-on at Jacksonville State as a tight end Redshirt his first year on campus, transitioned to left tackle, ends up being an FCS All-American. Both years transfers to. Says he wants to go play a bigger program, gets sent at UCF, starts every game his last two years and his last year gets third team, all AAC.
Speaker 1:So I mean this is a guy. I mean not a lot of experience, I mean only been playing tackle for four or five years, but like, kind of like the Lane Johnson kind of situation. I mean, although Lane Johnson at the time was at Oklahoma killing it. So it's kind of different, but this is an intriguing prospect. I wouldn't be shocked if they try to keep him around just for a little bit and just see what he can be. It's like a developmental project kind of thing. Yeah, that's a very light on your feet, athlete. I mean that's really intriguing. I mean you don't see a guy who played quarterback five years ago as an NFL left tackle now that's yeah. You don't see that every day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that could be some interesting plays right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah that's, oh, wow, that's, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:So now we're going to take a trip down South Beach. Unless we have any other questions, comments or concerns, let us know what you guys think about our takes on the Bills Again, check us out in the comments. We're going to go on down to South Beach. We're going to talk about the Fins who last year we thought we had going on to winning the division. Yeah, even though that was a freak accident, we should probably start implementing stuff like that. I like that. That was actually. That was actually like pretty good timing. They had some. They lost some pieces I didn't, I didn't to an already shaky offensive line. They lost Robert Hunt. Defense was also an issue with injuries. Last year. They lost Andrew Van Ginkle.
Speaker 1:They lost the probably their best defensive lineman, with Christian Wilkins, maybe in their best defensive player period yeah, probably yeah, I could probably, yeah, I could probably say that I was thinking you know, I take him over Zavion Howard.
Speaker 2:Well, last year especially, last year. Javon Holland is a key piece of that defense too. They still have him there. Yeah, as we mentioned, Buffalo lost Jordan Poirier and that's where he ended up. He ended up with the Dolphins.
Speaker 1:It would be nice to do it with him. With him and Javon Holland. Yeah, him and Javon Holland. Jalen Ramsey at corner.
Speaker 2:And they got two and they play the Bills twice a year. So that's, that's information right there. You know He'll know Some habits of Josh Allen. Maybe that they don't, maybe that the others haven't picked up on yet. Uh, they brought in Shaq Barrett. I did like that. I did like that, um, shaq Barrett. They brought in Jordan Brooks. So they're bringing in other vets to replace some of the guys that they lost, experienced vets that know what the hell they're doing. So they're not entirely young. On that defense, it's going to be tricky here. Yeah, because this division is so tough. I mean, I think it's on the rise, I think it could be, but this is going to be a tricky division for me to really go through here and think about this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they also added Odell Beckham too. Yes, they added.
Speaker 2:Odell Beckham, and another guy that I'm really excited about is Jonu Smith.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like Jonu.
Speaker 2:Smith a lot this year.
Speaker 1:I like Jonu Smith's finishing as a top seven tight end Especially this year as a well last year, I should say, when they dealt with a lot, because at one point A-Chan was hurt, at one point Mostert got banged up a couple games, tyreek missed a couple games, jalen Waddle was hurt. Outside those guys they have attracting, they have those guys, but they don't really have a lot of other guys who can kind of step up and be that role. So them bringing in Odell Beckham and a Johnny Smith that gives you extra guys to oh, we have a reliable number three wide receiver and Johnny Smith is durable, yeah, and Johnny Smith is a blocker which fits their scheme a little more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he can block and he can catch.
Speaker 1:It fits their scheme, more than what they did a couple years ago when they had a Mike Gusecki who's just Derm Smythe. Yeah well, Derm Smythe is a blocking type, but he's not their one.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have the downfield abilities that Johnny Smith does.
Speaker 1:He's not a pass catcher like Johnny Smith, exactly. So I mean of Dylan. Is that Johnny Smith? He's not a pass catcher like Johnny Smith? Exactly Johnny Smith might actually perfectly fit this scheme.
Speaker 2:I think Johnny Smith is going to eat in between the hash marks this year, I think.
Speaker 1:Odell won't put crazy numbers, but he does take a little more pressure off Waddle and Tyreek Hill than Braxton Berrios did and Chase Claypool did. That should be a.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Jalen Waddle.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he got the bag too.
Speaker 2:Three gears, 84.75 Million dollars With all of it guaranteed. Besides Probably the last few games of this contract, he's got $76 million guaranteed on that deal.
Speaker 1:Sheesh, it's crazy. Well deserved though. I mean he's deserved it, especially after the last couple like two years he's had, besides the injuries. I mean he's. He's one of the. He's one of the best home run hitters in football. Best wide receiver duo I mean he's one of the best home run hitters in football.
Speaker 2:Best wide receiver duo. I'll say yeah, best wide receiver duo in the league I don't know.
Speaker 1:AJ and Devontae give him a hard run. T and Jamar when healthy.
Speaker 2:I was just getting ready to say no, that's where I would line that up at. I'm taking T and Jamar at two and then for my three, yeah, I'll put AJ and Devontae.
Speaker 1:But if I'm looking at these three duos fully healthy, it's Cheetah and Jalen, or maybe I want to see JJ with Jordan Addison now, but that's for future, that's future offense. But the Dolphins, they had a very interesting draft too, I think.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's what we can talk about on. Our next one is wide receiver duos. Yeah, maybe, yeah.
Speaker 1:They filled a lot of their needs, a lot of concerns, a defensive concern. They went immediately with Chuck Robinson in the first round. Not like the craziest. This reminds me of the NBA picks that the NFL has kind of tailored to more in the last couple of years. They are the potential guys, the guys who, like when the Suns drafted Devin Booker and it was like didn't start in college but now he's an NBA superstar. It's like Chob Robinson didn't have the most production when you guys drafted Anthony Richardson fourth overall last year.
Speaker 2:That was solely based off of upside alone. He was a freak athlete who had a crazy arm. He just had some minor stuff that can be coached and fixed.
Speaker 1:Exactly and also like a lot of people I mean talk different conversations for a different day, but he was in a really weird circumstance at Florida that a lot of people don't talk about how he played with the new coaches last year in college, but that's for a different story. But yeah, they drafted Chop Robinson to help out on the edge. Should be a good rotational piece. It won't start right away because they have Bradley Chubb, I mean, and then they have Jalen Phillips, who is coming off an injury but was really starting to come around too, so good, really starting to come around last year, which really sucks.
Speaker 2:And that was just another issue with the injuries that we talked about. You know, it's Andrew Van Ginkle got hurt, which really sucks Cause, and that was just another issues with the with the injuries that we talked about. No, it's Andrew Van Ginkle got hurt Um the Jalen Phillips one that was. That was hard, that was heartbreaking for me. Yeah, yeah, that one Uh as a player and as also a fantasy owner of the Miami dolphins last year. Oh, man.
Speaker 1:That's a person, bro. Seeing that hard knocks was gut-wrenching. I don't even want to. And then they add protection for Tua. They drafted Patrick Paul. With Teron Armstead getting older, they drafted a dude who's 6'7", 330 pounds. He had 44 starts at left tackle at the University of Houston, had the longest arms at the combine. This guy's a freak. I'm shocked. I mean I'm shocked. A lot of people haven't talked about him before, like the draft, because that's a freak of nature right there, 6'7", 330. I mean he's going to have time to be behind Teron Armstead, barring injury, get a little time to learn in camp and whatnot. So that's going to be a big help for Tua on that side, I mean on his dominant side, but still I mean 6-7. That's a great wall in China right in front of you, bud.
Speaker 2:Speaking of Tua, we're still waiting on his deal to come about. They said it's going to be coming out later on in the summer, but how do you feel about him shaving down a few pounds?
Speaker 1:I don't mind it, because you kind of need a little athleticism. It isn't like he went out there and lost 15 pounds, 20 pounds. He just lost a little and honestly, he looks a little like he looks a little more, a little more strong, like, yeah, he looks like he lost weight More lean is what I would say.
Speaker 2:See, I wouldn't. It's not the quite the same as when Cam Newton lost his, because when Cam Newton went on that vegan diet thing against vegans or veganisms or if you're into that kind of stuff it's just not nothing against those guys. But when you take a guy who's just a big dude and he went on that vegan diet and he just lost all that weight, I feel like he lost a lot of his muscle mass.
Speaker 2:A lot of power to that frame. He wasn't the same Cam Newton that was shaking off linebackers and defensive tackles left and right.
Speaker 1:Yeah but Tua probably changed his diet a little bit, maybe got a little more in the weight room Because he bulked up a little bit last year, wasn't hurt as much. He worked with that Jiu.
Speaker 2:Jitsu coach to try to learn how to land properly.
Speaker 1:I think Tua, he's just. I think he'll be fine. It's kind of like the Lamar situation Lamar losing weight. I think it's fine, it's just. If anything, it just shows how athletic these freaking pass rushers are. He's like ah, maybe I need to set a couple more pounds, get a little more nimble, get a little more agile, just a smidge.
Speaker 2:Oh no, these pass rushers are 100% getting faster. Some of these defensive linemen are running faster 40s than quarterbacks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, shoot they're running backs. Yeah, speaking of running backs, the Dolphins drafted another potential home run guy. They drafted Jalen Wright out of Tennessee. He clocked a 4-3-8-40. Another one. They got another guy on the track team. They're going to have to start running different events. They're going to have to start splitting these dudes up and be like hey, bro, go run the 200, because that running back group is a track team now, with Raheem Mostert, devin A Chan, and they dealt a lot of injuries last year. So this pick makes a lot of sense for a team that, like I just said, about the Odell edition.
Speaker 2:they dealt a lot. They started the first, I think five or six games on IR and when he came back I think he might have gotten hurt again. He got hurt again. I'm pretty sure Salah Ahmed he was. You know, he's just a change of pace guy, he's a special teams guy, really.
Speaker 1:Exactly, yeah. And then a guy who was a college football kind of blew up last year. Then the college football last year. Guy really wasn't talked about the previous years but after leading the country in catches last year, malik Washington not the biggest wide receiver, he's only 5'8, but the production is undeniable. How many catches like over 100 catches in college in a season that's insane. That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Not playing with not the most productive team at Virginia. I'm pretty sure they didn't even make a bowl game. But he's just a wide receiver. You don't have that much impact on a team to drive him to a bowl game as a wide receiver and the numbers are right there in your face. I mean he's a guy that can just catch the football. It'll be interesting because it's a really crowded wide receiver room. So it'll be really interesting to see where he fits on that team. But if he can make the team, I think he can eventually climb up there. Maybe not this year, but Odell will probably be number three this year but he might in the next couple years crawl up there and be the number three wide receiver and play from the slot.
Speaker 2:Put him at the four. Maybe he's at the four for a second and eventually climb to the three.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, yeah absolutely um, all right, yeah, on to to the jets, jets, jets. All right, a team that I've been kind of excited for, um, yeah, they've been kind of they've been they've been kind of excited for, yeah, they've been kind of on the down slope for years now. Zach Wilson didn't do anything, adam Gase himself stuff these guys back a decade, yeah, and a lot of people are calling for Robert Silas' job and I don't think it's not all necessarily his fault.
Speaker 2:I mean his side of the ball is really good, Exactly Like he's a' job, and I don't think it's necessarily his fault. I mean, his side of the ball is really good. Exactly, he's a defensive coach and he's got his side of the ball. You said it perfectly. He's got his side of the ball together. And when you think of the Jets and their problems, the first thing that comes to your mind is the offensive line, the trenches. They get the offensive line.
Speaker 1:And their lack of player personnel on their skill position Exactly.
Speaker 2:But you fix that offensive line and you keep your court. Even if you give Zach Wilson a grant, he didn't do a damn thing to try to help that because decision making alone. But you fix that offensive line and you give anybody enough time to at least go through their progressions and look at their options and see what they've got. They don't even have that.
Speaker 1:I was about to say in his defense your brain probably goes to mush when you don't have as much time to throw and you're like, oh, it takes a snap. You're like, oh crap, I don't feel so bad for somebody like Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 2:When you think? When you think, if he has the quarterback play, who can put up top five numbers, top seven numbers? He's given us a thousand yards. And look at what he's had Eight different quarterbacks.
Speaker 1:I feel like Quite a few yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they went through. Tim Boyle, zach Wilson, aaron Roberts didn't even throw. I don't even think he even targeted Garrett Wilson in the three snaps that he got.
Speaker 1:He had Joe Flacco for a little bit.
Speaker 2:Joe Flacco, mike White, yes.
Speaker 1:So he's got a whole slew of quarterbacks. This team really did a lot this offseason, honestly. I mean I bashed him a lot off air for everyone, kind of blaming Zach Wilson and this and that, and I'm like, well, they have two skill guys in my opinion who are worth a damn. Everyone else is kind of Aaron Rodgers buddies. Yeah, exactly, they only had Garrett Wilson and Brees Hall and then Alan.
Speaker 1:Lazard's okay, you said Aaron Rodgers, friends from the day. Yeah, alan Lazard's. Okay, I can'twho's tied in. Tyler Coughlin and then Ozama Ozama's hurt a lot, yeah, I think Uzama left. I think he went to Philly. Yeah, I think he's in Philly now. Yeah, he—yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, a lot of people thought that they were going to draft Brock Bowers. Yeah, yeah, and they went and decided to grab their future left tackle with Olufesanu. Yeah, but he's going to have time to develop, barring an injury from either Tyron Smith that they signed, and then they also traded for Morgan Moses, who was with the Jets before he signed with the Ravens yeah, and in a normal draft he probably goes probably around eight or nine, probably a couple slots ahead maybe.
Speaker 2:I'd still consider him basically a top ten pick, because he should have been, because the Jets finesse trading back the spot and they still got the guy that they were looking at.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, the Giants really could have used him. Yeah, they could use anybody at this point. If I was a Giant, you ain't going wrong with any one of those picks because them yeah, yeah, I mean they could use anybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you couldn't If I was a giant. You ain't going wrong with any one of those picks because you got a need on everything and on your offensive side, that Giants team might be one of the worst teams in the league next year.
Speaker 1:And you had them.
Speaker 2:finishing third I did, I did, I did. And the more I thought about it, the more that I was like, man, I need to chill, I need to chill on whatever. I don't know what I was thinking. You know, the more I thought about it, it could be bad.
Speaker 1:He's going to go back and edit an episode. I don't know what you're talking about. Speaking of their wide receiver group and their pass catchers, though they did have Mike Williams.
Speaker 2:I will say this to backtrack on that you did have me convinced. The more I thought about it, the more on air I did have him switched up on my last one. So you did have me. But yes, the Mike Williams pick. This is arguably. This is the best skill set player or running mate that Garrett Wilson's had in the three years. It's about to be year three for him.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, corey Davis might have been good, but they had their quarterback issues.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but they didn't. But he didn't get like good. I mean, corey Davis only had one two decent good years for a top five pick. Yeah, davis only had one two decent good years for a top five pick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, never really played with a good quarterback, though. Only had Tannehill and then whoever the heck the Jets threw out there. He played with Marriott too. He played with Marcus Marriott too. I mean none of those guys are pro bowlers.
Speaker 2:They also signed a better insurance policy. Just in case Aaron Rodgers does go hurt, they brought in Tyrod Taylor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:For two years, 12 million with 8.5 guaranteed. Speaking of, another sign that I like to help out is Javon Kinlaw. Yeah, they signed him from the 49ers and gave him a one-year deal for around up to $7 million guaranteed and with only a quarter of it not guaranteed. So the other quarter million dollars for this year is an incentive. It was a nice run stuffer who helped the D-line out and this is going to be a crucial depth piece for already a defensive line that's probably one of the thickest in the league, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Pause, but.
Speaker 2:They also went cheap on the off line. They signed John Simpson from the Ravens, where a lot of people thought they probably could have went and got somebody more talented like Jonah Jackson or maybe a Robert Hunt Damian Lewis. But they went cheaper and they decided to go with John Simpson, who they gave a two-year with a base value of $18 million. And they also showed up their special teams on the kicking side too, because they brought in, they signed in, they, they locked up their ponder, which is crucial when you got, when they punt as much as the Jets do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's probably looking. Yeah, yeah, at least cut by a third shoot, yeah, at least yeah.
Speaker 2:Who knows, as long as If the offensive line Looks like it did, it looks like it looks the same as what it does when he got hurt, maybe not?
Speaker 1:Yeah, they. They drafted A lot of Wild skill guys. This draft, like Well, outside of Fashanu A guy who I'm really who's Might Eventually be the Number two R on the offense Malachi Corley from Western Kentucky Didn't play at the biggest school, but production is insane. One of the top leaders in college football throughout his time being in college football. Probably one of the most pass-heavy offenses probably one of the most pass-heavy offenses Led college football in yards after a catch from 2021-2023. Just dude, he kind of reminds me of Devo. Honestly, I'm not a fast guy I only ran four or five but a real, real, real strong wide receiver. Like it's almost like throwing it to a running back out there where you're like, oh God I've, if that corner's 180, I'm not this guy might get tossed Like he's one. He's one of those. I think he could be really good for them. Play him in the slot early, just get him, give him some easy catches and just let him go work in space.
Speaker 2:The production can be there, especially if Mike Williams, which I think, he should be ready, especially if Mike. Williams is slowed down from the ACL injury or if he gets hurt, that could be somebody that they straight throw into.
Speaker 1:What round?
Speaker 2:was he taking in again?
Speaker 1:The third round. Third round, but their second pick, their second pick in the third round, yeah. And then my favorite running back in the third round, yeah. And then my favorite running back in the draft, A guy who I haven't talked about but I haven't gotten to Actually the youngest player in the NFL draft this past draft, Also the heaviest back in this draft class A whole lot of numbers up in college my boy Braylon Allen. He'll be behind Brees Hall early on coming out, but a big physical back who can kind of change the pace for Brees I mean Brees Hall, no doubt their third down back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Brees Hall is the guy. You need two running backs in this league now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, you need two running backs in this league You're going to be successful. I mean, look at the teams that have won Super Bowls since league. You're going to be successful. I mean, look at the teams that have won Super Bowls, even as Graspecheco is. They threw a Jarek McKinnon out there, jarek. Mckinnon got a lot of work in the Super Bowl. Yeah, they threw a Clyde Edwards Hilaire out there and they started mixing him in late in the year. I mean you need multiple backs to win a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2:You can look at Tampa Bay Super Bowl. Even though they had, Ronald Jones was the guy, but then they had playoff when he picked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah exactly, yeah, exactly. And Chiefs. A couple years ago they had Damien Harris and a couple other guys that chipped in the Patriots years ago, legarrette Blount with I'm having a break, I can't remember his name. Oh, sonny.
Speaker 2:Machete, damien Harris stepped up real big with Kareem Hunt, because that would have been the year that Kareem Hunt they didn't win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:Damien Williams, I said Harris.
Speaker 2:Damien Williams. He stepped up big as the guy when they had to cut Kareem Hunt Because they went to back-to-back Super Bowls. They won. Was it the first year when they had him and then so, because that would have been what Kareem Hunt's rookie year that they won that Super Bowl.
Speaker 1:No, they lost in the playoffs Kareem Hunt's rookie year. And then the second year is when he got cut mid-season, and that's the year because his first year Alex Smith was the starter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the second year, pat won MVP and they lost the AFC Championship game.
Speaker 2:And then year three he got cut.
Speaker 1:No, Kareem Hunt got cut that year too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he got cut because of him kicking that ball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the whole incident regarding that. But, yeah, this is a great pick Regarding that. But anyway, this is a great pick. I give Brees Halls Every down back, probably one of the most complete backs in the league, who isn't talked about because offense isn't productive. But this is a guy Like we said about, like we said about Ray Davis, for Buffalo Can just be a power back, be the lead power back, goal line back, just hand the ball and let the guy go. Know lead power back, goal line back, just hand the ball and let the guy go work. He's, he's bigger than the linebackers.
Speaker 1:And then, uh, speaking of the quarterback room, you mentioned Tyrod Taylor. This is going to be a really good quarterback room. They brought in the guy who, uh, play at Florida state, who, unfortunately, they had that great Cinderella well, not Cinderella Cinderella, but they were had that undefeated run and then they didn't make the playoffs and it's kind of because of Jordan Travis's ankle injury that ultimately cost him a season because he was a Heisman candidate. And after he got hurt, they kind of were like, well, florida State ain't got a quarterback to compete, we're not putting them in there and ultimately it's probably rightfully so by the result of the bowl game they played in versus georgia.
Speaker 1:But this is a guy who, uh, kind of fits like tyrod taylor, kind of like not the biggest guy, not, uh, well, aaron rogers isn't the biggest guy either but, um, just like aaron rogers and tyrod taylor can can make plays outside the pocket with his feet Not the best, not the most statistical runner, but he runs to throw if that makes sense, so that should be really intriguing. He stayed through Florida State throughout their tough times, throughout the coaching changes, he stayed there and he's just going to a really good quarterback room. I think this year will be kind of like how Hendon Hooker did last year with Detroit, more like a red shirt season. Just get back to being healthy. I'm not sure if we'll see him in the preseason and all this year, maybe a little bit.
Speaker 2:But yeah, he's definitely going to be fighting for a backup job, because when he was drafted, a lot of people looked at that Like, is it, you know, is this the future when you know, is Jared Goff done after the next couple of years? And then plot twist yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So I mean yeah, I mean I don't think they're going to, I don't think they necessarily plan for Jordan Travis to play anytime soon, because they have Tyrod. They have a good, really really good, support group around to where last year, where the third string quarterback got thrown in If he does get thrown into a situation, it's a lot better than last year when they threw in Tim Boyle on Friday night for Black Friday football against the Miami Dolphins. It's going to be a lot better scenario. So now to my last Jets pick, my favorite draft pick.
Speaker 1:A lot of people are not familiar with this guy who actually I am really familiar with from my fan controlled football days. Quantus Stingers Really a remarkable story had to leave college, or decided to leave college his freshman year after some some uh you know, some very bad circumstances regarding his father passing and, uh, he went home to take care of his family. So during that time he wasn't playing football and his mom was kind of trying to find a way for him to get in playing football again. And just by the grace of I don't, I guess the people above fan-controlled football was actually based in Atlanta and so his mom, I guess, has heard about it I think they're a billboard or something like that and went ahead and signed her son up and he went and had a breakout season in fan-controlled football, went up north to Canada for one season, was defensive rookie of the year with five picks in his lone season for the Toronto Argonauts.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is awesome. Yeah, this is a good story, a really good feel-good story. He was about to almost give up on football and now he's in the NFL. Well, good size, 5'11", 200 pounds. I think he has a lot of potential to actually be a really valuable corner in this league if he can stick around and develop, I mean not a lot of experience, but all of his experience is pro experience. So that's kind of that's very intriguing for a guy who, I mean really took, I mean kind of came out of nowhere. I mean he he's had, yeah, a lot, a lot, a lot of pro experience, which is kind of intriguing. You don't really see that in the NFL, if ever. So that should be pretty interesting.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be rooting for that guy, excuse me, all right. Well, that's going to wrap up the, unless we have one more for him. That's going to finish up for the Jets. Now we're going to go down to the Patriots.
Speaker 1:I like the coach. Yeah, I like the new coach.
Speaker 2:Coach might have the right mentality. Yeah, I like the coach Because they didn't really do a whole lot to try to get better. They had a bunch of money, didn't really use it.
Speaker 1:But this free agency class wasn't necessarily a lot. I mean, you could kind of change your franchise, but you don't want to go ahead and just pick everybody up to just for the sake of having a bunch of names on your team. Yeah, but somebody's better than anybody.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but sometimes there were some running backs out there that they could have went and got to try to help.
Speaker 1:Stevenson. But this year I think there's more of like a. There wasn't a lot of wide receivers to choose from. Yeah, I think this year's more of a. Let's see what we have. Fill it out, see who can play, see who can't play. Get rid of the bad contracts that we have, because they have some bad contracts on that team. They got a couple bad deals.
Speaker 2:But speaking of contracts and deals, they did bring in they did resign somebody that was probably, to this moment, besides Ramondre Stephenson, could probably be the most crucial player on the New England offense, and that is offensive lineman, because that's just pretty much what he is, because he can play all parts of the line. That's Mike Onwenu, yeah, who they brought back for three years for $57 million. He's got experience playing right guard. He can play right and left tackle. He can play pretty much anywhere on the line if they need to, and that line is bad. So to be able to bring back somebody like that, to be able to keep Drake May upright, I mean, but pretty much he's got to rush where he's not.
Speaker 1:They've dealt with a, I mean, but pretty much he's got to rush where he's not. They throw a couple injuries too. Last year in the offensive line Like Cole Strange got hurt. He missed quite a few games.
Speaker 2:That's pretty much what they spent their Moses bringing back the vets that they did like to try to help keep the piece they re-signed.
Speaker 1:They brought back Kendrick Bourne no-transcript he started playing really well in the last year.
Speaker 2:They brought back a guy that I really like, that you are very familiar with. It's Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 1:That's my boy.
Speaker 2:I do like him. He's going to be a mentor for Drake May. He's going to be able to try to give him some the ins and outs.
Speaker 1:He's been here but he's been there before. Ideally he's probably the bridge quarterback too, probably goes out there and plays the first couple games, if not the entire season.
Speaker 2:They did bring in Fernie Jennings yeah, linebacker. They gave him three years, $12 million. That could be worth double that if he hits all of it instead of. But they did bring in somebody to try to help that. And they brought in KJ Osborne yeah, a good, probably solid two or three option. He's not really the your go-to guy but although who's who's the so that he might be able to show, because he had, because he was in the shadow of Justin Justin Jefferson. So I guess we can see if he's given an opportunity.
Speaker 1:And then, right when he started to really break out, they brought in TJ Hawkinson to kind of take away his targets. They drafted Jordan Addison Yep. I mean he kind of fell by the wayside. This might be the most prolific offense but he might be able to produce. I don't know. They didn't make the craziest moves, but I can see what they're trying to do. They're trying to bring in a nice mix of vets and draft, which they had, a really kind of all-over-the-place draft. But I kind of like what they did. Weirdly enough, it's really weird. I of like what they did. Weirdly enough, it's really weird. I do like what they did with. A lot of people aren't too big on Drake May.
Speaker 2:Um, I think if you give him a year to ride to sit the bench, I feel like, I feel like a lot of people is is is labeling that because he's a UNC cause he came from a basketball college.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm tired because he's a UNC, because he came from a basketball college. Yeah, I hate that whole stigma around certain schools, like the Ohio State quarterback thing last year and we had people saying oh, he was not good.
Speaker 2:And then I remember getting Because you've been high on Drake May for a couple years now. At one point, before Caleb Williams really started to stunt and came out, you told me that Drake May could potentially be a number one overall pick. You told me that a couple years ago.
Speaker 1:With that being said, he's a big kid. He's a very underrated athlete, kind of like an Andrew Luck, carson Wentz, kind of like, oh dang, you can run. Like that, I didn't know that. Maybe like a burrow kind of Kind of yeah, you're like, oh, okay, I didn't know that. Maybe like a burrow kind of Kind of yeah, like, yeah, like you're like, oh, okay, like I didn't know you could even do that.
Speaker 1:I wasn't too familiar with your game. And then, when it comes to size and physicality of all the quarterbacks, maybe outside of actually funny enough, his teammate Joe Milton, but he's probably the most. If I had to throw him out there in the game, especially on the first round QBs who, I'm, jaden, I'm really concerned about his build, but that's, that's a whole nother story. But uh, he's probably like, size-wise he's, he's almost ready to play right now. Dude's like 6'5, 230. I mean he he's inconsistent thrower of the football. They kind of went through a weird little phase last year at North Carolina where they brought in a new guy at wide receiver and then the NCAA was really messing around with his eligibility so he didn't really get to come in until later in the year. He lost Joshua Downs the previous year. People aren't acknowledging that. So I mean, obviously your numbers are going to dip a little bit, at least as much, which his actually.
Speaker 2:Kind of like the same way Caleb Williams did after he lost Jordan Addison.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Well, this Drake made his touchdowns to dip by like 13 and his interceptions to go a little bit.
Speaker 2:I remember I said Caleb Williams, his interceptions stayed there but he threw like 10 less touchdowns than what he did the year before.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I mean, if they can get him around the right receivers, get a good running game around him which I think they can, I think they can They'll establish a defense year one, I think, ideally and then they'll go from there and then they'll maybe get a run getting together. But, um, and then they drafted in second round or a second round, he drafted his guy, uh, another Washington wide receiver. How many times we hear that's a strap? Three times I'm pretty sure. Yeah, he was a second receiver taken off. Yeah, they drafted a Jalen Polk.
Speaker 1:Uh, some people thought that he could have maybe been a first-round pick. Yeah, some people did. Well, I think he kind of felt because he doesn't really have like a crazy trait. I mean he's a really good route runner, really good route runner, but he's not like an AD Mitchell who has route running with the size and speed he has decent size, really good route runner, though Not crazy speed, but really solid hands and can really catch the football, make a lot of plays in that offense with a lot of talent. So I think he'll probably see the field early on a team that doesn't really have a de facto number one, I guess I'd say. I mean, I get. I mean Kendrick Bourne, but, like you say, torres, acl, they got Juju. He's their number one with what they got. Yeah, with what they got. Yeah, this is a guy that could. They got a bunch of guys that are twos and threes on other teams. Yeah, jalen Polk could slide in there and potentially be a number one receiver Demario Douglas, davis, douglas, yeah yeah, demario Douglas.
Speaker 1:Yeah, tyquan Thornton, I think, who never really panned after running that fast 40. Yeah, they drafted Caden Wallace from Penn State, who all Big Ten honorable mention. I'm not sure how he didn't get all Big Ten are mentioned. I'm not sure how he didn't get all Big Ten. He only allowed one sack in 13 games. A lot of people had if Fashani wasn't at Penn State, this would have been their left tackle. A lot of people think can also play guards. That's a guy who can play all four positions. I mean I'm not sure he'd play center, but maybe even play center 4D career starts at right tackle, a guy with a lot of potential to stick in this league and I mean that's a really good pick. I mean you draft to your quarterback, you're going after a weapon, you're getting the guy to protect for him. I think they did a lot of the right things that they should have did and then I really like this.
Speaker 2:The Patriots are known on smack on hitting on them late round guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, especially in the offensive line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, especially with their linemen and you can't really draft wide receivers, but let's hope that they got a guy that.
Speaker 1:Speaking of, they drafted another one, though. See, they went ahead and drafted two pass catchers, which I really like about this too, because usually it kind of Well, when a team that's depleted as they are, you know, it's not really shocking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I mean I wouldn't. If it was Bill our head coach, I might draft a pass catcher, they might draft a punter, but a guy, javon Baker from University of Central Florida, big play wide receiver with good size at 6'1" 205,. University of Central Florida big play wide receiver with good size at 6'1" 205. Averaged 21 yards a catch in his last year at UCF and had five catches of plus 50 yards. So it's a big play guy, not a burner, but another I mean big play guy with some size too. And that's that's deadly offense. That really needs some dynamicness from anybody outside of Ramon de Stevenson. And then we're going to get to there, probably, maybe.
Speaker 1:I mean I wouldn't say that, but one of the more controversial picks of the draft. I wouldn't say that, but one of the more Controversial picks of the draft. Them drafting Joe Milton, the quarterback out of Tennessee, after drafting Drake Mayne In the first round. Recent seed history. I can think Of Kirk Cousins, robert Griffin III, a less noble one. When we drafted Andrew Luck, we drafted Chandler Harnish with the last pick. Those are the only ones I can really Think of. Obviously, when we drafted Andrew Luck.
Speaker 2:We drafted Chandler Harness. With the last pick, there's only ones I can really think of.
Speaker 1:I mean obviously the most, yeah, but at least with that RG3 and Kirk Cousins thing, that was one that was in the first four rounds. Yeah, they drafted Kirk Cousins round one and then RG3 round one.
Speaker 2:Rg3 went number two overall and then they drafted Kirk Cousins in or three rounds later. That was kind of.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I remember and I was shocked.
Speaker 2:And that was a toxic quarterback room off the bat. I heard them two did not get along, but I heard not a lot of people in that watch. They got along with RG3. I heard at the time he might have been the problem. Well, I mean.
Speaker 1:And then you're drafting two guys I mean At the time he might have been the problem. And then you're drafting two guys and you're Kirk Cousins, you're getting drafted, you're talking about being a mid-round kid and you're probably like, okay, I have an actual chance to possibly start. And then you're like, oh, what the? I guess you're not drafted with another dude who's trying to make an impact in the NFL At the same time. I am. You're kind of trying to have the same trajectory, but you guys are in each other's way, so it's going to be toxic. It's bound to be toxic, unless your Kirk Cousins and you're I'm okay with just being the backup, this is cool. And you're like, oh, wait.
Speaker 2:Some people are cool with that, as long as they get drafted. They're cool with kicking back and being that guy, but more times than not, you're competitive because they're here, because they're competitors, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, what I thought was even weirder about the pick was well dating back to the 2012 draft with RG3 and Kirk Cousins is that they were two different. Like I don't think you get any opposite of quarterbacks with those two, so like that's just really interesting to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got one that's a freak athlete, and they're the ones that's just a pure pocket passer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, who never runs, who's not known for running the ball at all. So that's interesting. But, uh, with this, uh, Joe Milton pick, at least. I mean at least they're both kind of both relatively athletic quarterbacks, although they have big arms yeah, big arms. A lot of Joe Milton's athletes didn't know, didn't? I mean he ran for seven touchdowns this last year but only 200 yards this last year.
Speaker 1:In college A lot of people compared the size and the strength and stuff like that to Anthony Richardson, but I don't think he's nearly the athlete that Anthony is. I mean size-wise and arm strength, I think. After that, I think it cuts off. After that I think Anthony is a lot more accurate of a thrower, A lot more pure of a quarterback, and there's a lot of rumors that apparently he's going to move to tight end potentially. We'll have to see what that entails later in their careers, because that might be something interesting. Maybe he's a gadget player, maybe a Taysom Hill kind of player, but I don't know. They could. I mean it's the 7th round, so you really don't have a lot to do with the pick, but I feel like you maybe could went a little differently about it. I mean, you brought in Jacoby Brissett. You already have a backup quarterback and you still have Bailey Zappi on the roster, unless you plan on doing something else with him. There really was. I mean it's going to be a crowded quarterback room. Yeah, yeah, nba pick, I guess Potential.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I might wrap it up for us.
Speaker 1:Let's get to our rankings.
Speaker 2:Alright, our rankings. I think it's gonna be Easy to say that we both got the four, as with New England.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, bottom.
Speaker 2:Now it gets interesting when I think yeah, this might fall around.
Speaker 1:Okay, this, okay, this gets really interesting Um.
Speaker 2:Cause we're doing this Based off of a perfect season, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Ideally perfect season no injuries come about.
Speaker 2:For my number three, dolphins Okay, no, give me the Bills. Give me the Bills for my number three. They lost a lot on defense. They lost a lot on their pass catchers, unless Keon Coleman, who I think can be Offensive Rookie of the Year. I'm really high on this guy, or a candidate anyway, if he comes out and he stunts the way he does. Absolutely yeah. But right now, give me Bills for number three.
Speaker 1:Okay For number three. For me, give me the Jets that offensive line. I mean I know they tried to address it with the tackles this year, but the interior of the offensive line is still kind of shaky. They still don't have another pass catcher outside. They have Mike Williams. I mean I mentioned Malachi Corley earlier, but he's still a rookie. And then they lost a safety in this past season too, jordan Whitehead. Yeah, they lost Jordan Whitehead. So that should be a little interesting to see how the back end of that defense goes.
Speaker 2:The back end of that defense goes, but back in that defense is going to be just fine with Sauce Gardner and.
Speaker 1:DJ Reed yeah, corner, but I'm talking about back at home plate. But I think I'm not sure if that offensive line is still fixed. I'm not I got. I need some more convincing, just a little more convincing. So that leads us to number two. This should be interesting too, dolphins, dolphins for you, dolphins for me. Give me the Buffalo Bills. I think their experience and I think, in my opinion, they have the best coach, at least right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah for sure they got the best coach, yeah, and then give me Miami at the second best coach. But yeah, they have the best coach, they have best quarterback, they, they, they recency by. Maybe I'm more recency bias too.
Speaker 2:And then, barring any Aaron Rogers injuries, I think you know they might've done a little bit to try to help out with that offensive line. They definitely upgraded that tackles. Give me the Jets to win that division because I thought I had them as a dark horse last year, because the year before when that defense broke out and hit the scene there was a lot of games that they would have won if they had just had even average quarterback play.
Speaker 2:They had mediocre quarterback play all year. Now Aaron Rodgers is back. You know he's looking good in camp, looking like he's recovered a lot. Yeah, he needs the Jets to win that division. I know a lot of people hate on Aaron Rodgers but Gary Wilson could blow the hell up. Gary Wilson could blow his numbers sky high for what he's done if Aaron Rodgers can stay healthy.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go with. Obviously I'm going to go with the Miami Dolphins, just a proven team. I think their defense got a little better once they come back from injury. Are you debatable? I like to try Robinson pick. It's debatable, I think back end wise.
Speaker 2:I don't think they got substantially better, but I don't think they got worse either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just think New York right now with Aaron Rodgers, if he stays healthy.
Speaker 2:I think they're the most balanced team in the division right now. They got the defense, they got.
Speaker 1:I think the Dolphins offense is better. They got the run game. They got the multiple backs too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it's the pass rush and the defense for the Jets.
Speaker 1:That's why I said the most balanced team, yeah, the most balanced team. And then I think the addition of Odell Beckham will carry some weight. Like you said earlier, johnny Smith, I think they'll be able to run the ball Actually with some physicality this year, instead of a lot more on the edge, and with speed. I think they'll be able to mix in some physicality. Yeah, give me the Miami Dolphins, give me Tua Tagovailoa, dark horse MVP.
Speaker 2:If Jets offense can play right because Aaron Rod, you have quarterback play and if he can keep and extend plays better, that's going to make up for bad offensive line play, if you can just find your guy. And if Aaron Rodgers is back, he's got the chemistry with his buddies, he's got Garrett Wilson. They got a top five defense as it is and they're on the field a lot. Yeah, they are. If you have your offense, that's on the field more and these guys are even more refreshed than what they are. Dude, the sky's the limit for this Jets team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I could definitely see. I could see the top three, the top three I put. I could see first off. I could see all three of those teams making the playoffs 100% and then I could see. Also, I could see everyone outside the Patriots. I could see that order being flipped in any three directions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was tough doing these rankings, but there we have it Probably the toughest ones. Yeah, the hardest one that we've had to do. This one's flip-flopped. Our floor is the same, but they're from three, two and one. That's going to be different. So there we have it. That's going to wrap up this portion of Division Breakdown. I hope everyone has a blessed evening. Scott and Dewey signing off Sayonara.