Hip Hop Talks is lighting the fuse on the dynamite discourse of rap gamesmanship and authenticity. Shawn, joined by Coop, AG, and special guest LowKey from Apple Music, throws down in an explosive exploration of the genre's latest beats and most contentious beefs. From dissecting Future and Metro Boomin's new release to the emotional tremors felt across North Carolina from J. Cole's unexpected mea culpa, our crew navigates the tightrope of personal relationships, mental health, and the cutthroat nature of hip-hop competition. We don't just talk about the music; we question the sincerity behind the bars and what it means for the industry's evolving landscape.
The "big three" of hip-hop and the evolution of rap royalty come under the microscope in a debate that's as heated as the classic rap battles we revere. Jay-Z, Nas, Tupac—do these names still hold their weight in gold, or is it time for a new coronation? Our hosts aren't afraid to challenge the hierarchy, examining lyrical prowess, pivotal albums, and the cultural shifts that redefine what it means to be hip-hop nobility. And as alliances form and rivalries simmer, we speculate on Drake's next moves in an industry rife with both enmity and reverence.
Feel the might of the mightiest posse cuts and the lasting influence of legendary tracks as we dissect the anatomy of an iconic hip-hop album. What does it take to recover from a stumble in this game? We argue that nothing less than dropping a classic can preserve an artist's stature in this unforgiving arena. Tune in for a session that's not just about beats and rhymes, but about the heart of hip-hop culture—its past, its present, and where it's heading next. This is Hip Hop Talks, where the conversation is as raw as the lyrics we live by.
Hip Hop Talks is lighting the fuse on the dynamite discourse of rap gamesmanship and authenticity. Shawn, joined by Coop, AG, and special guest LowKey from Apple Music, throws down in an explosive exploration of the genre's latest beats and most contentious beefs. From dissecting Future and Metro Boomin's new release to the emotional tremors felt across North Carolina from J. Cole's unexpected mea culpa, our crew navigates the tightrope of personal relationships, mental health, and the cutthroat nature of hip-hop competition. We don't just talk about the music; we question the sincerity behind the bars and what it means for the industry's evolving landscape.
The "big three" of hip-hop and the evolution of rap royalty come under the microscope in a debate that's as heated as the classic rap battles we revere. Jay-Z, Nas, Tupac—do these names still hold their weight in gold, or is it time for a new coronation? Our hosts aren't afraid to challenge the hierarchy, examining lyrical prowess, pivotal albums, and the cultural shifts that redefine what it means to be hip-hop nobility. And as alliances form and rivalries simmer, we speculate on Drake's next moves in an industry rife with both enmity and reverence.
Feel the might of the mightiest posse cuts and the lasting influence of legendary tracks as we dissect the anatomy of an iconic hip-hop album. What does it take to recover from a stumble in this game? We argue that nothing less than dropping a classic can preserve an artist's stature in this unforgiving arena. Tune in for a session that's not just about beats and rhymes, but about the heart of hip-hop culture—its past, its present, and where it's heading next. This is Hip Hop Talks, where the conversation is as raw as the lyrics we live by.
I like to welcome myself back, but it's like I barely left. You know what I'm saying. I want to welcome everybody to the first edition of Hip Hop Talks. You know what we're going to talk about already, because it's what everybody else has been talking about. But we kind of like to clean up hitter in the batting lineup since baseball season just started, so all the hitters are with me right now. Of course it's me, it's Coop. Welcome you to the first edition of Hip Hop Talks. They call me the keeper of the flame. That's what we're going to do. We're going to flame up in here tonight.
Speaker 1:I got my man, ag Adriel Green, got my man Sean All of y'all know Lowe from Apple Music and from being one of the best bloggers, if not the best blogger, in the game. We all got a love and a passion for hip hop. I'm blessed to be here on this platform, shout out for Taj for putting the game plan together and we just going to have some fun and just do what we do and do the discourse on hip hop. Give you all the breakdown that y'all been looking for and what you've been missing. I'm excited, I'm humbled. To everybody that stayed down with me, I want to say thank you. The hiatus has been good for the soul and for the body and for the mind, but I love this rap shit and I'm addicted to it. I'm a microphone fiend, like, like, like the God rock him. So let's just go ahead and get it in, fellas. If we start getting people into the room, sean, and we can get this discourse started, my brother.
Speaker 2:What it do, bro. Yo, welcome to the family. Cool, my man. We've been talking for a minute. Glad to have you here. We out here now. Queens, get the money. Park Hill Projects everybody in the building. We got everybody coming out here tonight. We got AG by the high point. We got Lowell. Y'all know what he brings to the table. There's going to be a blood bath tonight. We're going to put a nice bow on all the topics y'all been talking about for the past couple of weeks. It's only right that we be the cleanup. And here we here to clean that shit up. Let's go, AG.
Speaker 3:Yo what up. Peace to everyone in the chat Peace. Peace to everyone in the chat, peace to my man, sean Yo Coop. Welcome to the team, glad to have you and you know Lowe about to hop on here. We about to put it down on the show for real.
Speaker 2:No doubt Mr Controversy himself the Twitter king, the one who he responds to everybody and everything in the Twitter world, no matter if it's a, he's responding to bots. No, Lowe, be responding to bots out there in Twitter world what it do brethren, what's poppin' you know.
Speaker 4:Glad to be a part of this conversation with you guys, with your good brothers, building a great platform, causing, you know, beautiful discourse, beautiful conversations stuff that I've been built on for about 15 years. Beautiful conversations stuff that I've been built on for about 15 years, and I ain't too good to hop on anybody's platform. This is what I love to do. I'm in the hooker spot on a Thursday night and we all waiting to see if anything happens tonight. We all waiting to see what Future and Metro going to do tonight. But let's talk about it. Let's talk about a lot of things. Let's talk about Cole. Let's talk about the ladies getting their shit off. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about a lot of things. Let's talk about Cole. Let's talk about the ladies getting their shit off. Let's talk about it all. I ain't shying away from no topic and I'm glad I got you three brothers to talk about it with. So no Holds Barred Bloodbath. Let's begin.
Speaker 2:Let's get it, let's get it. So let's start with that. Let's start with that. Let's start with the Metroid shit that's dropping tonight. Let's ease into that as an appetizer and let's get into the main course.
Speaker 4:You know, before we hopped on, they just dropped a track list. There's a lot of song titles on there that can suggest that somebody's on the record or somebody's going at somebody on the record. We don't know the direction, but they caused a stir about two or three weeks ago with, with the. You know the first installment. We don't trust you. You know, ross is on there, playboy Cardi Travis, clearly the, the obvious elephant in the room, kendrick would like that. Uh, kendrick drew the line in the sand officially. Um, we all do know that there are issues between Future and Drake and Future or Drake and Metro and we're going to see how it continues to play out tonight. I'm excited.
Speaker 4:Hip hop is fun again. Hip hop is, you know, competitive again. It led to some unfortunate situations with one of our favorites. You know, competitive again. It led to some unfortunate situations with one of our favorites, you know, jermaine Cole. He was honest, kept with his spirit and that's what it was. And you know, can't blame a man for being honest with who he is, but in the same discourse. I don't want to hear none of that other shit, no more. You know, I'm still listening to the fall off. I'm still garner him as one of the you know one of the greats that can rhyme, that has the songwriting ability and song making ability, that that, that doesn't go out the window, but all that, I'm this, I'm that, I'm whatever.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean low. I'm kind of with you on that, except for one part of it. I don't know how honest he's being. I'm actually going to push back on that, okay, because I think he's being a little bit like. I think him and Kendrick been operating above the fray for a little bit too long and, quite frankly, I call bullshit on some of the lot of shit they've been doing and I'm going to pull it tonight Like I don't think it's coming from the right place. I actually think that they're using their fan base to get over on us. Expand on that. The short of it is that and I'm going to speak to it personally a little bit more in depth Well, I ain't hearing neither one of these niggas talking about mental health issues in the early part of their career and now, all of a sudden, they're bringing it up in their late 30s, when they're wealthy, they're established and, to be honest with you, it seems to me like they're doing it just because it's cool, not because it's real.
Speaker 1:Like you know, one man is using mental health issues to explain cheating on his wife, another man's using mental health issues to explain why he didn't go to battle, and the reality of the matter is is a nigga cheat because the nigga want to? And if a nigga scared, it's just because a nigga scared. Your mental health really ain't got nothing to do with that.
Speaker 3:And today's society is used as a crutch. It's a buzzword right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:They use it as a crutch, like he gained one million Spotify users after he did that speech. It's because his team knew that it was going to feed into a base that's in love with mental health issues but really doesn't know what it means to have real mental health issues Like these. Dudes don't have mental health issues Cause. If so, we would have heard it through the music from the jump when they was coming out of the respective hoods. They was coming out of like when you coming out of a place like Compton, you coming out of a place like Vietnam, oh no, your mental health issues going to show from the jump, not 10, 15 years after you done. Copped the deal. That's copping a plea to me.
Speaker 3:And I think I think a lot of them know in today's society, anything where you use those mental health and spirituality buzzwords, it can't be critiqued properly, you know, because the defense is up after that. Well, you can't really say this about the song on Mr Morale and the Big Steppers because he was talking about this in his life. Or you can't say this about Cole's move. You can't critique it or be disappointed in it because he did it based off something wasn't sitting right in his spirit or whatnot. So you know what I mean. Those buzzwords are trendy nowadays and you'll get more support through that than you ever did in your career spitting dope lyrics.
Speaker 4:But here's the thing, and I'm gonna focus on cole with this one. When that whole thing unfolded at dreamville on sunday, it wasn't, I don't think it was a mental health thing. I think it was a relationship that he had with a peer that he's had for a very, very, very, very long time like I just saw a clip of them being at house of blues in houston and these niggas are at the like the start of their careers. So I think there's a different perspective of how Cole feels about Kendrick, right, and I think for the years after that it became him getting bullied and not bullied but him having to stand on the stance that he gave to us Right, I don't think that was a mental health thing.
Speaker 4:I think more so Kendrick with the you know, morales and the Big Steppers album was more so mental health. I can maybe lend to that, but I don't think what Kendrick, what Cole did on 7 Minute Drill, was heavily placed on mental health. I think it was heavily placed on a relationship that he had with somebody that he cared for, he revered for, because even if, like one of y'all go at each other right, that ain't going to be a mental health thing. That's just like damn, that's my nigga, like I ain't trying to shoot my nigga down in public, I ain't trying to chop my nigga down in public. Knowing what that nigga's capable of, knowing what that nigga's capable of, knowing what my nigga has accomplished, knowing what my nigga's going through, knowing what my nigga's capable of. I don't think that's that.
Speaker 3:Can I give a little pushback to that? Unless, sean, you want to chime in or something, go ahead, sean, you got something Because. I was going to hop in real quick, Go ahead because I'm going to bring that back.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, because I'm going to bring that back. Go ahead.
Speaker 3:Okay, you know, to that point I really believe he values his relationship with Kendrick and that didn't sit right with him to have to go at him, right. But the last three years Cole's been coming out with all these lyrics saying that he was the best and he'll take out anybody, right, and if he revered Kendrick so much, then you kind of got to be a little specific. If you Kendrick so much, you kind of got to be a little specific. If you ruling somebody out, they're the exception to the rule, because we go through lyrics. Jay, on what More Can I Say? He said, pound for pound, I'm the best to ever come around here. What, excluding nobody. Look who I embody.
Speaker 3:And if we reference Kendrick, you know it's like that is the second time Kendrick done came at Cole's head. So maybe you know his sentiments ain't symbolic in his words, right, you know, because Cole, he's had to take shots from Kendrick twice, once on control and once on is like that. So if that's your homie, that's the second time he done shot at you, right, but on control, kendrick was very specific. He started out when he was naming names. He said who's the best? Mcs kendrick, jigger, naz, eminem, andre, 3000. The rest of y'all are just new, don't even get involved. So he said those five legends over there I'm not talking to them because I feel like I belong with them, but everybody else that I'm about to name y'all fool right. So he was very specific on who the exceptions to the rules were.
Speaker 3:Now Mike Tyson said that everybody, when he's talking about Holyfield, he said everybody got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. And I think Cole's plan was to keep spitting these bars about. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm the best. I'm the best. I'll take out anybody. I swear to God, I'm the best doing this.
Speaker 3:And then the one person who he's mentioned with all the time, who also just happens to be his homie, jumps up and says okay, then you know what I'm saying. Bring that smoke my way. And then now you're on stage apologizing, which I was on Twitter before. You know. Champion, champion and seven minute drill, cause I was like, okay, I see the chess move. He feel a little uncomfortable. He let his homie know bro, I really don't want to do you like that. Whatever, just fall back, you know, cause I thought it was a setup to something else If Kendrick were to respond again, but never did. I think he was going to walk it back with an apology. So if he didn't want to come at Kendrick, if Kendrick was the exception to the rule, he should have let that be known.
Speaker 4:I think to the extreme that he went. I think when you know your man's catalog is built like that, you know how people feel about your man's catalog. I think how in in depth he went into dismantling his catalog and being disrespectful about I think he was like oh, that's not me, that's not me, I got bullied into doing this shit. That ain't me. Why would I do that? Why would I say that I ain't built like that?
Speaker 2:facts facts and I think to that point and that and that's a great point for you, ag, as well, because you mentioned Jay Jay believed that he was the best since inception. Let's keep it above. There was no type of hesitation in his tone to let you know that he was the one Right. But Cole looked at these guys as peers. You know what I mean. Jay didn't see everyone as a peer.
Speaker 2:When he went on with big in that joint he wanted to go at big's head. It was personal. He wanted to establish himself as the one. Cole was like I just want to collaborate, these are my peers, we're all good. Jay was like I'm the one and you're going to have to come at me if you want to be the one. So it was a different spin on that, I think. Think with Cole, I feel like him backing, pulling everything back, was more of him saying yo, I jumped out this window too fast and I didn't get the response that I thought I would get. Think about this fellas, if Cole would have got a unanimous response with him saying, yo, this is like ether level, right? Do you think he'll pull that shit back?
Speaker 1:No apology, I mean first of all.
Speaker 4:But when you say ether level right, and I ain't made a control of my fault, when you say ether level. Jay and Nas were getting very, very, very disrespectful in person Cole and Kendrick were just. Cole is specifically talking about bodies of work. Yeah, jay mentioned that with Nas, whatever, but Jay also mentioned I did you know who, what, you know what, but that takes it out of the music now we. Then here come, nas talking about dick sucking lips. We not talking about bodies of work, my nigga they were disrespectful.
Speaker 3:But to your point, cole's, this kind of paralleled Jay's, because he used a lot of Jay's tactics when Nas was I agree, I definitely agree.
Speaker 3:When Jay was breaking down Nas' catalog, jay was in a position where he could do that at the time. You know, because he was the top guy. Now, cole, the way he was breaking down Kendrick's catalog although he was saying some stuff that was, you know, a lot of people believe to be true he wasn't the one in position to say that. You know, saying to pimp a butterfly, you know, as a snooze fest or whatever. Cole is not the one to say that because he got albums that people would say as a snooze fest. But I think he was to your point.
Speaker 3:Lo, I think he was embarrassed by that because you know, I talked to people and you know I get a lot of, you know, insightful stuff having conversations. I was talking to one of my homies in north carolina and he said you know what he said, this cold thing is kind of like. So I'm just citing my source. But he said this cold thing is like when you have an argument with your significant other or your spouse, right, and you're gonna say some stuff that's kind of out of pocket and then you come back and you apologize like yo baby, I didn't even mean that, but in the moment you said it and that's probably what you was really thinking and what you was really feeling at the time. So if cold out here saying that like yo y'all gas to pimp a butterfly, he's embarrassed that he said it out loud. He really felt that way. He really felt that way. He just embarrassed the type of person he is.
Speaker 1:That that got out out loud I mean, first of all, this is competitive. This is a competitive sport. You know I'm saying like origins of hip hop are rooted in it being a competitive space. I mean you can literally go back, go back to when we was all like literally babies and some of us not even here yet. No disrespect, cool, moldy, busy B Yep. You know what I'm saying? That's some 83 shit and it wasn't about it being anything personal, it was about well and it wasn't about it being anything personal, it was about well.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'm the best on the mic, you know, and I think what really has happened because of the big and pox situation getting personal for the wrong reason, about the nas and jay situation getting personal for the wrong reasons, people forget that what is really supposed to be rooted in is the actual skill level of it and the competition at the top dictating the pace of saying like, hey, well, you've been talking that shit about that number one spot, but if you want that number one spot, you're going to have to take that piece off of the chessboard right there, because a lot of people in his camp and a lot of people in that camp feel like that's the number one spot.
Speaker 1:So I was always looking at this battle coming from more of a Kane and Rock M potential type of battle type place where it's like, well, niggas ain't really got no real beef, except for the arguments in all the neighborhoods and all the boroughs is like, well, who's better, kane or Raw? You know what I'm saying. Now this conversation really wasn't a relevant conversation until Cole upped the ante with his mic performances the last few years. In my opinion, this was not a conversation to be had. So he is the one that made it conversational. When you make it conversational with your performance, then you back it up with the talk and you literally slide on almost every single record I hear you on for the last three years saying can't nobody fuck with me when you jump out the window.
Speaker 4:You put the spotlight on a conversation. You put the spotlight on a conversation, you gotta say it. You put the spotlight on a conversation and then you chose to turn the light off, right.
Speaker 1:Like when you step outside, you gotta stay outside, you gotta own it, you gotta step outside If niggas want to swear with you if niggas want to box with you.
Speaker 4:If niggas want to, you gotta own it Right. This does not negate and I always want to be very clear with this Every time I have this conversation on camera, off camera, with my niggas whatever this does not negate the ability that J Cole has to rap, song, write, structure albums. This does not negate any of that. This does put a huge chink in his armor in regards to the bravado.
Speaker 1:That's my only thing. Okay, so that's not my only thing, because I feel like this speech it's a concession speech. So it's you saying I'm cool with this bronze medal. Yeah, I can't blame that on the fans anymore. It's you putting yourself, it's you?
Speaker 3:saying I'm cool with this bronze medal yeah, you can't blame that on the fans anymore, because he said before y'all threw the bronze at me on the Heavens EP. It's not on the fans, no more. You conceded the bronze live on stage, bro. You know what I'm saying? He's stuck in third right now.
Speaker 1:I mean because here's also the reality of the matter, Like so big is this apology and so big is this momentum of this going back and forth, the niggas have totally forgotten that he actually just dropped a really dope project. It was dope.
Speaker 4:It was fire.
Speaker 1:Phenomenal. So he literally isn't it better than anything he's done since Forest Hills.
Speaker 4:I would agree.
Speaker 1:Right, and so I think it's off-season level. I think it's offseason level. I think it's better than the offseason because I feel like it's more consistent. I feel like the offseason is good, but it's inconsistent. This is a more consistent effort from him, and so you're actually overshadowing your own goddamn self in the process, too, because now people are talking about this apology and this song more than they're actually talking about the cohesive body of work that you just made.
Speaker 4:But I do think as we lean ourselves off the diss track or whatever the case is the apology? I think people are, and I've seen tweets like this and comments like that. I've seen people are starting to focus more back on said project, like I think everybody's going to get over it, like yeah, okay, cool, we apologize. This is not going to do nothing to his career specifically, but in a certain sector of what hip-hop is, there's going to be a removal, and me and Ibra were talking about this on Rap Life the other day. It's like, all right, cool, we're going to place you over here while they do that, right, but it doesn't take away from the fact that you are a great fucking artist.
Speaker 2:It doesn't and we have to be okay with it. It doesn't.
Speaker 1:It does take something away from me, because I feel like he was already in third place and this was his moment to ascend, and instead of ascending he apologized, and maybe it's because I told people this well, I'm the only dude that I know in this pod space is actually from North Carolina, and so maybe I'm taking this shit a little bit personally, a little bit differently, but I know how people get down in the nom, and so you can't tell me. The city feels good about it too. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:like I'm not here to tell you about that because, like that's how niggas felt up north when that whole jay and nash had happened, when he got on the radio and apologized for the super ugly shit and this, that and the third, and that's totally different city rooted for the city, rooted for ether over takeover. So I understand that comparison, like like you have to understand.
Speaker 1:Even in the seven minute drill he says I'm from the ville so I'm cool when it's tension. Like he says in the record, the smoke ain't nothing to me because of where I'm from.
Speaker 1:But you can't say that because the town is on your back the city's on your back, the whole damn state on your back, and so you can't backtrack. When you talk like that and he's been talking like that with frequency is my problem it ain't like it's arbitrary for him to shout out DeVille or to Nam or to talk about how he slide on niggas. I mean he hopped on Johnny P's caddy and pretty much said I'm nothing like these hustling ass niggas that I rap next to, but I'll out rap all of them to a nigga that talks like that. When you slide like that on record, when you claim your hood like that on record, when I know what your hood look like because I done had problems I'm from Charlotte, I done got into it with niggas from this hood before.
Speaker 1:It's the one time in my few life I was actually worried about some shit because of how them niggas get down. You get what I'm saying. When you come from that place, when you come from that space, when you slide the way he slide, I just can't let it slide.
Speaker 3:I got a question for y'all. Oh, go ahead, sean my fault. Go ahead cook.
Speaker 2:But is that mutually exclusive? Because we're talking about his actions versus his body of work. You know what I mean. I don't think they're one and the same. We can compartmentalize.
Speaker 3:We can compartmentalize.
Speaker 2:But to Coop's point. I know about Fayette-Nam. Ask some soldiers out there in Vietnam how they Soldiers getting robbed in. Vietnam by them boys out there, yeah, they do business in. Vietnam. Look here it's pride.
Speaker 4:But see, I know, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Hold on.
Speaker 4:See, now we're taking it to a different place, right? We're not. I'm not Again. I'm not from that side of town. I ain't from that side of town, I ain't from that city, I ain't from that state. So I'm not going to sit here and act like as if I know how things move down there. You know, whatever the case is, all we're literally talking about is you poked your chest out? Yeah, then you poked your chest back in and you apologized.
Speaker 4:How niggas listen and I'm not talking to you, no, no, no. How niggas get down and rap. If you want smoke, you have to have smoke. If you call the niggas out, you keep saying this big three, you call yourself muhammad ali, this, that and the third and a nigga. The nigga in the big three conversation got tired of it and said fuck that, it's just me, right? That's? That's to me, just to me, not to y'all. Like, clearly, y'all give me a lot more information that you know I'm not pretty well, I want, I want to ask on my part a little go ahead bro I'm just saying, if this is what you're going to do and say and portray my nigga, I need you.
Speaker 4:I need you to stick by it. Even if you lost Absolutely the fall off coming back, I'm going to get back to him.
Speaker 1:I'll be like yo.
Speaker 4:At least he acknowledged he lost. All right cool. What are we going to do on the next go around?
Speaker 2:That's it, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 3:I want to speak to what Coop was speaking to with the Go ahead, AG, go ahead. Nah, bro, you go ahead, I'll cut you off my fault.
Speaker 2:I was just saying the reason. We're talking about it from a regional perspective, because you got to think about the community that gets behind you. You know what I mean when you think about someone like Kendrick. He Think about someone like Kendrick. He has the entire West Coast behind him. You feel me. You think about Drake. Drake is a hybrid. You know what I mean. He got Canada, he got you know the South, he got the Midwest, he got the North. He's a hybrid because he's collaborated with everybody across boundaries. When you think about Cole, cole is really looking at the Carolinas for the most part because Carolinas haven't had anything since what. Petey Pablo, you want to put the baby in there, but the baby fell off, little brother, is it? You know what I mean. So you can't really put the baby in there.
Speaker 1:Respectfully, sean not to cut you short, but, respectfully, none of those guys operate on the level that Cole operates on.
Speaker 5:He is the only person to ever come out of my home state that operates on that level.
Speaker 1:And I love Petey, I love Fonte, I love Raps, I love them all. Nah, he's the only one that operates on that level. It's on his shoulders. And, sean, you know what the villa's like? Lo, this is where it gets personal. It's like, nah, nigg in vietnam rob niggas from the army base for their tools so they can tool up. It's that kind of town, right, right, like. I know. I know a nigga that robbed the army dude for a box of grenades once when I was in college. Like they do shit like that in the village.
Speaker 4:wait, hold on, I'm not even trying to be funny. What do you need? A box of grenades for, like, where are you going?
Speaker 2:They don't even know, though he's a country boy. Are you going to Saudi Arabia Are?
Speaker 4:you going like, where are you going with them? Shit?
Speaker 1:Look here, I knew niggas in Greensboro. I knew niggas in Greensboro when I was in college that got grenades from the army base in Vietnam because some of the some of the crips up there and hijacked them wait so you saw a box of grenades.
Speaker 4:Yes, I'm not trying to be funny, because it's new information. So when you saw the box of grenades, what did you say?
Speaker 1:I said you niggas is wild. And what did they say? They said that's how shit is in the NOM.
Speaker 4:They just letting off bombs nigga box a grenade alright, let's go back to the rap shit, let's go back to the rap shit.
Speaker 3:But we know this wasn't going to spill over into the streets like let's be real, cole up on stage talking about they wanted blood, like nobody wanted blood. We wanted y'all to spar lyrically, bro, nobody wanted no blood. It wasn'tall to spar lyrically, bro, nobody want no blood. It wasn't like that. It wasn't the east coast, west coast beef in 96, you know, hold on.
Speaker 1:Well, here's the thing, ag, and I don't want to cut you short. They come from tough places in tough circumstances oh absolutely comp them.
Speaker 1:in the village of tough places, nobody ever can confuse kendrick with a gangbanger. Nobody ever confused Cole with one of the soldiers from Vietnam. But you're representing those people when you speak on the mic though Absolutely, and so what I'm saying is that, back home, what those brothers represent, they don't represent somebody that jump out the window and then apologize. They prefer you step outside and get your ass whooped low like you were saying. It's like no, no, no, Like it's one of those things. It's like no, nigga. You said you was fighting, so get your ass out there and fight.
Speaker 4:Let me all right, cool. Let me ask you like, when this all happened and Cole jumps out the window and Cole apologizes, what is the temperament in the city and just around the people that you know, that are familiar with Cole, that are familiar with Dreamville, what's the temperament? What is it? What is it around after that happens? What's the discourse? And I'm not asking you to name names or none of that shit, I'm just like what's the discourse?
Speaker 1:No, the best way I can explain it is my man sent me a meme from paid in full of when Mitch was in the car crying about trying to get his son back. That was the feeling. That's the picture that got sent to me. It was Mitch in the car crying from paid in full when he talked about getting his bro back. Yeah, like that was the feeling. Like so that would be the best way to describe the ethos without like under or overstating it, cause that's what got sent to me from somebody from Fayetteville.
Speaker 4:Okay, All right. So with that, how did you feel? What was your reaction? And I'm not trying to put you on the spot or like whatever the case is, but that's where you're from, that's you know you fuck with the-.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm from Charlotte originally, but yeah, like I know cats from Fayetteville, yeah, so what's, what's your?
Speaker 4:your initial response and what's your initial thought seeing and watching it?
Speaker 1:I was sick, like it really made me sick to my stomach. I was a matter of fact, you know, taj hit me and she was like I tried to tell you and I was like yo, I'm sick, I'm going to bed just like that Cause it made me sick Because for us it had been the build up and we was like yo, we finally about to take the crown. Like we finally about to be able to say the best emcee in the game comes from North Carolina. Like we ain't never even been in position to say that. And so that's what I mean is is like no disrespect to his piece, but you had the whole state behind you wanting you to take the crown, and we see the crowns there for the taking. Let's just be honest.
Speaker 1:Kendrick and drake haven't made a great album in a long time. Neither one of them have made a big record in a long time. It's been a long time since either one of them made a great big record or a great album. My opinion, like last time drake made a great album, it was it's been a minute. It's been a minute since damn came out, which is kendrick's last great album. It's been a minute since drake had one of those super big hits that we really felt kendrick ain't had no hits since damn, since the love song, and so we like you rapping like this.
Speaker 1:It appears that your competition is easing into the, the back nine of their prime. This is here for the taking and we all wanted it to be took and it just seemed like he came out shook and we like no, no, no, no, no. Like you supposed to take right now, not be shaken down by it, and it almost feels like to me the pressure of that was too much for him and that's the part we don't like, because we feel like that's a reflection of us. You you bowing out is saying that we all the type of niggas around here to bow out and that ain't how it plays and that's how it feels and that's how much is attached to him because of the level he operates on. Just the fact that he's been in the conversation with these guys all this time is a super big deal back home like super big deal.
Speaker 4:I'm going to tell you this If I'm from a city where niggas are copping grenades, they not scared, they not scared, they not scared, right, right but outside of the whole geographical area.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. I want to speak to a demographic thing and then ask a question. You know what I'm saying. I want to speak to a demographic thing and ask a question you know what I'm saying Based on the timeline, you know, because we all 40 plus here, right?
Speaker 3:So me and my girl was having a conversation the other day and she was playing devil's advocate and she was like well, what if Cole is playing a role when he was popping all that big talk like you know, I'm the best in this and that if Cole is playing a role when he was popping all that big talk like you know, I'm the best in this and that she was like what if he don't believe himself? Well, like what if he's trying to tell himself that hype himself up? So it got me to thinking. I was like you know what, about three years ago, when Cole started setting off these features, his talk changed. He started doing that slick talk which appeases to who? What demographic, the 40 plus crowd that grew up in the 90s. Before the past three, four years, that was not cole's bag at all.
Speaker 4:But if you think I, I think cole and and hearts of hearts, I think cole still believes that he is one of them ones. He is a dangerous lyrical artist. I do believe he believes that. I think what happened was people like us that are rap heads and rap nerds and enjoy the competition and enjoy the back and forth. I believe he got sucked into a portal. That wasn't necessarily his bag, because I never really seen Cole be influenced by the consumer or whatever the case is. I think Cole finally realized like ah yeah, I'm not built for what Drake and Kendrick can do. I'm not built with kiss and I'm not built for that.
Speaker 3:I don't want to do that especially against my nigga.
Speaker 3:Which I'm getting to, that which I'm going to pose a question to y'all. But to her point, you know what I'm saying. I see where she was coming from, because I do believe he was playing a part to a degree. You know, because he quickly realized, like yo, that's not what I'm about, even though he's been saying it for such amount of time. Because he even say on 3001, he said you would think I was super glued away. This gun stick to my hand. He said I don't even tote no pistol, but that line sounded so hard I don't even care about lying. Once I found out these niggas prize. You know what I'm saying. So he's like everybody else lying. So you know I can lie on the track too. If I'm not really about that life, then I can spit like that too. But the question I have is cannabis was a big influence to J Cole and cannabis his rhyme style. Everything was formatted like a battle. He was going at somebody, but it was ambiguous. It was no particular target, except for when he went at L.
Speaker 4:So then, when the time came, what did he do?
Speaker 3:He stepped up and he had to battle. But my point is this is a caveat that nobody's talking about, at least that I haven't seen it, but I'm looking back at all these cold features and then how it shook out in the battle. When he's saying I'm the best, I'm number one, I think he might literally been talking about like yo, if you get on a track with me, I will murder you. About like yo, if you get on a track with me, I will murder you and then that'll be that.
Speaker 4:I don't think he meant in battle. He was throwing the blanket out there.
Speaker 3:You think he wanted the battle smoke?
Speaker 4:It's not if you get on a track with me. No, I'm telling y'all this you said big three and you called yourself Muhammad Ali. There's no other explanation that I need from that. Yeah. And that's fine.
Speaker 1:Let me toggle back and just like and Sean, you may know this too. So, of all the southern states, north Carolina is the most New York influenced of them.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Of all the southern states. People in the south call North Carolinaolina the new york of the south. Most of that has to do with the hip-hop aesthetic that's involved, but quite frankly he went to school in queens, correct?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah, so that influence comes from there too as well, and not negating your point, but that that comes from that, from him he went to saint john's like but yeah, the but, but the rap aesthetic in north carolina is more new york than atlanta, even though atlanta's way closer.
Speaker 1:The aesthetic like when little kim was in her prime. Little kim's biggest following outside of new york was in north carolina, because they love the new york rap aesthetic in north carolina a lot of like. There's stuff that I was able to get my hands on when I lived in Charlotte that I could never get my hands on when I lived in Atlanta. As far as New York shit, I couldn't get my hand on Jay's Volume 1 in Atlanta, but you could go to the west side of Charlotte and they'd be playing Streets is Watching and it would be on mixtapes and shit like that. And so the aesthetic is more New York driven. And so I say that to say, even with the St John's and going up to New York to find a deal not intact, the competitive fervor and spirit of the North Carolina rap scene is more similar to New York than any other southern state. So he's aware of the rules of engagement, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Because, competitively speaking, and if he doesn't want to engage, which is totally fine. I'm not here to chastise him for that, and I feel like I'm like we're repeating ourselves, whatever the case is, but like you're giving me insight that I didn't have or I don't have, but it's just hey, nah, not anymore, unless you're going to readdress that situation, but you don't want to because that's your man's.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you's, let me ask you something. Let me ask you something, though, and this is for all y'all, this is for Sean and AG too what if Kendrick jump out the window and say, well, fuck all that, anyway I still want the smoke.
Speaker 3:That's how he is. I expect him to, but.
Speaker 4:Cole said that. Cole said yo, if you're going to do it, yo my door's. That's crazy. I mean, listen, we're living like you said, we're all what 40 plus in here? Right right we're living in a different generation of engagement. We're living in a different generation of I'm better than you, you're better than me. Fuck you, fuck you. We're living in a different generation. Cole's mindset is his mindset, kendrick is. I think. Personally, kendrick is built from a 90s perspective.
Speaker 3:Well, let's take it back to the lyrics for a moment, I feel that way about Drake.
Speaker 1:I don't feel that way about Kendrick, like you do.
Speaker 4:No, I feel that about Push. Oh yeah, I feel that way about Drake in some sorts. Clearly, Kiss and Beans and all them yeah, them niggas are demons, regardless. Clearly I mean. And beans and all them, yeah, them dumb niggas are demons, Regardless 50, all them niggas, they're demons. Kendrick and push I've taken a page out of those guys books. Cole is like I'm just not for that, Especially with my man.
Speaker 3:Right To that point, Like can I ask you something?
Speaker 1:Is that his man's, though? Is that his man's, I think?
Speaker 4:it's one side.
Speaker 3:I think it's one side.
Speaker 4:If you followed their relationship throughout their careers and I was doing my research with all this shit before we got on Again, like I mentioned earlier, I saw a clip with him and Cole at House of Blues in Houston. This is, I think, what 2009, 2010? Around that era, early, you know, after Section 80 and then Born Center, whatever these niggas are really, really like, and that's fine, and that's okay. That's okay, that's okay. I'm not gonna ask you to alter your friendship for my entertainment.
Speaker 3:Right and he said he thought that that was lame and corny to do so, to step out against Kendrick because Kendrick is one of his favorites. But I was talking to my cousin today and he brought up the lyrics of Middle Child to me and he was like I'm going to show Cole some grace, because if you look at those lyrics you'll see what time he was really on. He was talking about Drake. He said this watch came from Drizzy. He gave me a gift back when the rap game was praying. I dissed they act like two legends can't coexist. But I never beep with a nigga for nothing. If I smoke a rapper, it's going to be legit. You know what I mean. So if he didn't think it was a legit thing with him and Kendrick, then I guess I got to bow out. You know what I mean?
Speaker 4:Because it was for the pleasure of the fans. That's it. My focus is now Drake and Kendrick, because I know them. Niggas don't like each other.
Speaker 3:That's the main event. They have a disdain for each other. Facts they got a disdain.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is what I'm saying when I'm asking, like well, is that really your mans like that? Because here's the reality of the matter, too, that we got to peep because I did my research too low and I was peeping this out too well, drake is responsible for helping both of their careers. Actually thanks. He helped both of their careers early on, like, and so if he's cool with kendrick and he's cool with drake, well, it definitely seemed like these last few years, while kendrick's catalog is taking a hit because of the last album and while he's been gone for the better part of five years of the album, it does seem like he aligned himself with Drake more than he aligned himself with K-Dot. Now, that may not be the case behind the scenes, but you heard how Drake was talking on First Person Shooter. He was definitely X-ing Kendrick out of the equation on purpose. You sliding on the record with him, you doing another follow-up song with him on the bonus edition, you going on tour with him. Y'all laughing it up. What did he say?
Speaker 3:The Spider-Man Neiman's been looking at Drake.
Speaker 4:Alright, so it's like for me, I'm emptying the clip.
Speaker 3:But Cole had this weird thing about being.
Speaker 4:He drew the line in the sand.
Speaker 3:But he tried to like be ambiguous with it, like he would be inclusive with, like, the big three is me, kendrick and Drake, but at the same time he was shooting at Kendrick, at the same time, you know.
Speaker 1:So I think this era Well, what he said was and the line for me is, and you said it too Lo is that when he says we, the big three, like we started a league. Right now, I'm feeling like Muhammad Ali. Right.
Speaker 3:He doubled down on that. I feel like Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 4:Kendrick got tired of that shit enough.
Speaker 3:And he took the opportune time to link up with two niggas that don't like him.
Speaker 4:That shit Enough. But that's Kendrick's fault. He took the opportune time to link up with two niggas that don't like him.
Speaker 3:But I ain't even mad at Cole for saying that, because Kendrick had this hiatus. And do you get to keep your big three spot just hanging out for five years not doing nothing when this other guy is on the rise?
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying, ag the reason why Kendrick keeps that big nothing when this other guy is like on the rise. You know what I'm saying, so you know, you, you, you. The reason why he, the reason why kendrick keeps that big three spot, is because we weren't even talking about the big three really before that like that shit came out. After like that came out. This is why we having these podcasts, this is why we having these these broadcasts and these interviews. Because kendrick said okay, okay, fuck the bullshit. Now, all right, let's get to it. Let me take these fucking gloves off.
Speaker 3:Man, you was talking behind the scenes For real. This is like all right. So we breaking down the big threes through errors. If we parsing out big threes, this has been the longest tenured big three because we don't see nothing coming after them on the horizon. There's really no trio of nice mcs and they've been more inclusive to each other as far as like. Oh, we acknowledge the other two being in this big three with us, but you was telling me that you think the whole big three thing is kind of like a myth. So you don't think?
Speaker 4:you want to tell me that the big three thing is not a myth, because the big three for me it started with Nas Big and Ho Right, that was the big three.
Speaker 3:So I got a rebuttal to that. So I got a rebuttal. I do too I do too.
Speaker 4:That's just me, that's just me, that's just me, I do too.
Speaker 3:Go ahead Sean.
Speaker 4:Unfortunately, let me get it off.
Speaker 2:Unfortunately, let me get it all.
Speaker 3:Sean, be quiet. I wasn't Sean. I love Sean.
Speaker 4:Sean you go ahead you go ahead.
Speaker 2:I'll cook after you no, no, no, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 4:I want you to get that all no, I mean, like niggas in the 90s knew like the conversation was Nas big and ho right, that was the big three. That was what was said was being rhetoric and the narrative, whatever the case is, big passes. Nas takes the fucking. I mean not Nas Hose takes, you know, he takes the crown, or whatever the case is the mantle and talking too big after, like yo, you look on volume one, the city is mine, don't worry, playboy, those you know I'll take, those I'll take those rings.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like all right, cool, but it wasn't no thing where it's like nah, nigga, I'm nice to you, it's like I got it, I got it from here. And then, as it grew, then it became the two, it became Nas and Hov. As big as it hit by default. Yeah, then they started going back and forth at it. See, then they started going back and forth at it With these three.
Speaker 1:All right, go ahead. My fault, no, no, no. I want you to finish your thought. That's my bad.
Speaker 4:No, I'm saying with these three because of the blog era, of what I've been a part of, and I've seen all three of them rise pretty much simultaneously. You know the so Far Gone, the Friday Night Lights, the Section 80s and the albums, and the albums and the albums, and Drake becoming the superstar he is, but Cole becoming the blue-collar fan that he is, and then Kendrick becoming the whole superstar, but that got out of and became who he is. There are three different sectors of where all these guys are coming from and they're still, as time is going on, they're still synonymous with each other, like I don't believe one or the other left each other behind. Yeah, okay, drake is a numbers man, yeah, that nigga's a monster, but then Cole is just like. Cole is just the fan favorite, but then Kendrick is just like the artistic genius. This and the third. So there's so many sectors of where they all intercept with each other and we all love each. We all love them for different fucking reasons.
Speaker 3:True, but the you know what Sean was going to say and I'll let you cook, sean, the like. It's an idealistic thing. The ideal of it is more of a myth and I ain't going to take my man's you know what I'm saying shine or whatever. I'm going to let him you know what I'm saying cook. But he was dropping some gems on that. You know, behind the scenes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was. I thought about this for a minute because I'm like yo, is there really a such thing as a big three? When Jay mentioned a big three, he wasn't part of that big three. When he said who's the best, mcs, biggie, jay-z or nas, he wasn't part of that equation. Let's keep it above, because at that time pock was still the biggest thing. Pause it. During this, during that era, you know, I mean okay, big, he was right there because he was the king of new york, how we want to frame it. Nas was still dead because of ill madigan. It was written was coming as well. But but the big three as a whole was never really established because the Kings reigned at certain points. Nas reigned at one point, big got it, then Nas got it back. Jay came kind of like on that back end of that when we finally got, you know, the hova, the hova style, right.
Speaker 4:All right, but not to cut you off. A hoover, the whole style right and all right, but not not to cut you off. There was never.
Speaker 5:There was never a metric of what the big three had to be had to be significant, like we never had that big three, we never had that conversation of like okay, well, why why are they the big three, sean?
Speaker 1:let me. Let me push back a little bit on the Jay Z comment, though, because let's look at it like this so the Jay comment is on where I'm from. Where I'm from is track 13 on volume one.
Speaker 2:It's the second to last song before you must love me.
Speaker 1:Yep, Awesome rap shit. Sean. If you got done listening to reasonable doubt and then you listen to the way he was rapping on volume one and you got the record 13 and he made that statement. Look at love. It didn't seem that egregious for him to make that statement, Cause the nigga was wrapping his ass off.
Speaker 2:He was cool. He was, but other guys like P and Ray.
Speaker 1:I can remember where I was listening to Volume 1, and the first time he said it I was like this nigga tripping. But then I went back and listened to Reasonable Doubt again and then I listened to Volume 1 again. I'm like this nigga really not tripping, though.
Speaker 3:Retroactively. You know what I'm saying. It's a classic line that spawned the idea of the big three, because before that nobody was coining that phrase, just like GOAT Before LL said you know the term GOAT, nobody was around here. You know, ideally coining that phrase. And Coop, you said the other night on our station head yo, if you're not subscribed to station head, get over there and I'm going to plug the channel. Subscribe to Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 1:But, coop, you said the other day on station head, like when cannabis said, the greatest rapper of all time died on march 9th that's when the buzz about, that's when the girls start.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was rocking before that it was rocking before that.
Speaker 1:Thank you, but here's what I'm so. So I want to just parse through a few things right quick. First of all, I hate when people put tupac in the big jay and naz conversation. Be like, well, what about po? About? Pac, pac is before them. Pac is before them.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Pac is before them.
Speaker 1:If Pac belongs to a big three, he belongs to the Ice Cube, snoop Dogg, tupac big three.
Speaker 4:That's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 3:You get what I'm saying Before that. Whoever you want to put between KRS and G-Rap, KRS. I would pick G-Rap.
Speaker 1:G-Rap's a better lyricist, but the KRS made criminal-minded and by all means necessary, oh, okay.
Speaker 3:It's always a fourth guy on the outside looking in positive, applicable, but like you know what I'm saying, it's a fourth or fifth guy. Like we talk about Big Sean or Future or whatever you know what I'm saying Like because we got the big three established and then it's always that fourth or fifth guy like oh yo, but they could take a spot at any moment.
Speaker 4:We never made the big three.
Speaker 2:We never made the big three.
Speaker 4:We never made that.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:None of us ever said that. They said it themselves. That was them.
Speaker 3:But, everything that ever has ever been created has been from the artist himself. When Lil Wayne was saying he was the best rapper alive, that didn't come from the fans.
Speaker 4:That came from him first, and then when TI became the king of the south that came from him that came from him. When. Jay said he was better than Big Came from him. Well, let's backtrack right here.
Speaker 1:If I'm not better than Big.
Speaker 4:I'm the closest one.
Speaker 1:So we could go. We know what he was saying.
Speaker 4:Don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 1:Don't do that. We could go, let's go to 89.
Speaker 4:Well, you could say that, okay all right, I'm old, but like my nigga, I'm watching.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I'm saying this for context. Go ahead, coach, in 89, you could pick five or six guys. You can pick Slick, you can pick G-Rap. You can pick Kane, you can pick G-Rap, you can pick Kane, you can pick Raw. You can pick KRS, you can pick L. So the big three really didn't become a thing in my mind until Jay said something on where.
Speaker 4:I'm from, that's Sean's point that's Sean's point no no, no, yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2:You're right, you're right, big, big birthday, because even what Jay said, that that scored in 95-96. We got Prodigy, we got Raekwon, we got Nas, we got Big. That's not.
Speaker 1:We had.
Speaker 2:Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1:We didn't have, You're right you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2:We had Mount Rushmore when DMX came at that wave. Now you got DMX, you got Jay. As much as you want to talk about Ja, we had Ja in that group. We didn't have Rushmores, we didn't have big threes. I got it. If you go into the early 2000s, when the South took over, you had Jeezy you had TI, you had Ross, you had Ross. You had Luda, you had 50. You had 50. You had Luda. It was a rush more because you had talent across board. This is the first time.
Speaker 4:Doing different things at the same time. Doing different things.
Speaker 2:You had flavors to pull from. You know what? I mean. And their waves and their energy were so tough that you had to follow Cool. You was in Atlanta. Remember how Njizi, remember when Njizi came through.
Speaker 4:Fam. I was there, I was around.
Speaker 1:Fam. My brother knew some of Njizi's people. I have footage of the shows. Like before the deal he had thousands of niggas singing the words to his song before Def Jam ever pulled up the black tees with the white snowman on it.
Speaker 2:We can talk about that in another show Hold on. I was in Macon, georgia, when Jeezy was coming out. If you know about Jeezy, you know about Macon.
Speaker 4:I was in the Mac town. He's from Macon. No, he's from Macon.
Speaker 2:He's from. South Carolina.
Speaker 4:He's from South Carolina. He's born in South.
Speaker 1:Carolina.
Speaker 2:He's born in South Carolina but raised in Macon.
Speaker 4:Raised in Macon. I was there when he was coming through.
Speaker 2:I was in San Diego in 2004 when game was coming out. It was the thing that these guys had. And you too, Coopman, that was in the same area.
Speaker 3:And then there was Ye and Weezy, so and TI. But look, let me ask you this Hold up Pooh. So since the big three now is more clear cut well, not as defined now after Cole's move, but since for all these years, the past decade, it's been clear cut Is that an indictment on this era? Because we're talking about these past eras, we could blame like 10 cats, that's in the running. Is that an indictment on this era?
Speaker 4:For real. No, it's not an indictment. Tell me more. Well. Okay, let me ask you why do you think it's an indictment?
Speaker 3:Because if three cats have been declared, kendrick took five years off If three cats can be the big three, for a decade we didn't declare that that nigga did. But everybody still agrees it went along with it, right. So it is some truth to it, right? If majority go along with it, might be some truth to it, okay. If a dude can take five years off and still hold a spot down in the big three, what does that say about the game as a whole?
Speaker 4:that means, we respect okay, so we respect talent and we respect the nigga that knows how to get down.
Speaker 3:That's what that means to me, to all my Jedi, I mean my Star Wars fans out there. It's like Order 66, it ain't that many Jedi's left.
Speaker 4:I ain't never seen a Star Wars movie, so I don't even get that reference it's not too many, one of them, ones walking the earth left.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:First of all, Lo, I'm with you. I don't fuck with Star Wars, so I don't know what he's talking about the second of all.
Speaker 4:I didn't get the reference.
Speaker 1:AG, I think it's a two-way street that you're talking about. Is that an indictment on the game? Not totally, because there's still a lot of talent that's been out while these guys have existed. But these guys have proven to be the cream of the crop, maybe more so than any other era.
Speaker 4:That's right, and like I said earlier, drake is a numbers guy. Right, drake is going to smash you on the billboard. We all know that kendrick is the artist. Kend Kendrick is the artist and Cole's the rap guy, and Cole's the rap guy Again. Like I said, Cole has now removed himself from the competitive aspect of this sport.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm glad you're there, because I want to say something else, because this is to you low at the top of the show. This is another indictment for me. You said hip-hop is fun again. Right, Because you know we got to sparring. Yeah, the other night, when Cole did his thing at Dreamfest, I felt like what Nas said in 06 came true to a degree. I was tweeting back and forth with somebody.
Speaker 4:And for the people in the comments, like you know, just give them a reference.
Speaker 3:Hip-hop is dead. Hip hop is dead, right? Okay, so I was tweeting back and forth, you know, shout out to uh, be mad on Twitter, um, if you watching, and I said that hip hop is dead, you know, on that, um, on that dream fest stage, and he said that hip hop itself is Just that aspect of it. So I started thinking, okay, but let's go through. Always consider battling. Like Koo said Busy B and Kool Moe D, battling is one of the unofficial Pillars of hip-hop that's not named. It's like the unnamed one, right?
Speaker 4:No, that is one of the Official pillars of hip-hop.
Speaker 3:Okay, official, unofficial, whatever, no, no, official, okay, official. So that died that no, no, official, okay, official. So that died that night when the sport of competition is thrown out the window, right, that died that night with him, with him, but overall. It died for him.
Speaker 4:Not for all of us. It died for him.
Speaker 3:People are accepting of that sentiment, though is what I'm saying. So we go through the other pillars right. B-boys who B-Boys? The pillars of hip-hop. B-boys night you said who Like the graph? The graph is not a thing anymore.
Speaker 1:No, that's not true. No, no, no AG.
Speaker 3:AG hold on, Not like it was. Don't do that, Coop. Don't do that, Coop. No, hold on. Who's illegally going into the subway to graph it now? Come on, Coop.
Speaker 1:Niggas are still tagging in Atlanta, Okay but is it like?
Speaker 3:it was Like facts. Is it like it? Was.
Speaker 4:No, we know it's not. We know it's not. No, of course not.
Speaker 1:It can't be because they'll arrest your ass if they catch you doing it now. So you got to wait until 4 o'clock in the morning to spray the bridge.
Speaker 4:But people still did it right. All right, so we go up to hold on, hold on, let me cut, let me cut, let me cut, let me cut.
Speaker 3:So we got the DJ in right. Mixtapes is a dead thing. The DJs are around still, but mixtapes are dead. The DSPs took them out, them out, and then DJing is not really a thing. As far as the art of DJing, no more. And as far as the MCs, we already went through that these three are the cream of the crop, but the rest of the field ain't looking that tough. So if you got battling, that's dwindling, graff, mcing, djing, all the elements is dwindling.
Speaker 4:If battling was dwindling, we would not be here right now.
Speaker 3:Well, we waiting, we waiting.
Speaker 4:If it was dwindling, we wouldn't be here right now.
Speaker 3:Hip-hop is resting on the boy Drake. If we, being real, hold on. Hip-hop battling is resting on that boy Drake.
Speaker 4:If we being real, why are we talking about this conversation right now? Because Kendrick lit off a fucking bomb.
Speaker 3:We waiting on a response.
Speaker 4:Right, we, we're waiting on a response. Right set off the bomb, okay, but let me ask you this everything I named.
Speaker 3:What elements are still thriving?
Speaker 1:I mean first of all.
Speaker 3:I think you're underrating the.
Speaker 1:DJ.
Speaker 4:I think you're underrating the DJ greatly. Let me say this we focus on what we want to focus on, right? We focus on what's entertaining. We focus on what's fun. We focus on what's controversial. We focus on what's exciting. Right? We focus on what's fun. We focus on what's controversial. We focus on what's exciting. Right? We all agree with that, correct? We don't know who's graffiti battling. We don't know who's DJ battling. We don't know what sound clashes are happening. We don't know none of that shit because we focus on the things that are fun and entertaining to talk about. We're not going to talk about a.
Speaker 4:DJ battle right here. We're not going to talk about a graffiti battle right here, but do we all know that that's not happening? No, no, no Do you know it's not happening.
Speaker 3:Right? No, because it's not mainstream.
Speaker 4:AG Alright, so does that mean, it's not happening?
Speaker 3:No, but it's not to the forefront and it's not what it always was.
Speaker 4:I understand that, because now it's not and I get that perspective, now it's not. It works in cycles and I get that perspective, but does it mean it's not happening?
Speaker 3:No, no, I'm not saying it's not happening. I'm not saying it's not happening at all. But what I'm saying is what Cole did Was what was best for him. Like Styles P said, it's messing up our frequencies Because, you know, the competitive People who love hip hop is messing us up. He did what was best for him, but where does that leave hip-hop space in going forward for one of the major elements.
Speaker 4:No one is mad at him for waving the white flag. I'm a little mad.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't say nobody. I wouldn't say nobody.
Speaker 4:Two things can always be true. I'm not with that. I'm not doing that. That ain't for me, bet. However, I don't want to hear that shit when you start talking. I'm not dissent at. Third.
Speaker 1:Cool, I don't want to hear that shit at all.
Speaker 3:But what does that do to the culture though?
Speaker 4:It does shit to him.
Speaker 3:You don't think that moves the needle on the culture at all?
Speaker 1:AG. Let me break it down for you. It's like is graffiti as big as it used to be? No, but I know spots down in the city where niggas still tag and have graffiti battles. Is b-boying and breakdancing as big as it used to be? No, but I know clubs where, if you walk in there, they're still playing beat breaks and niggas are still in there spinning on their heads and on boxes and shit. And so hip hop culture and all of its elements are always going to live. It goes through a rotation of what's at the prep precipice.
Speaker 4:This is how I know our culture is fine, because look what we doing, look how passionate we are right now, look what we look how, look how, like deep diving and going back to the roots and going back. We talking about KRS. When we talk about rock, can we talk about B boys? We talk back. We're talking about krs1. We're talking about rock cam. We're talking about b boys, we're talking. This is how I know our culture is okay, because now we're saying like yo, well, remember back then and remember this, remember that we're not talking about gossip. We're not talking about who fucked who. We're not. We're talking about lyrics. We're talking about battles. We're talking about engaging in war and competition. That's how I know we good, because we're now. We're reminding people that might be on this stream or might see these clips later on, whatever the case is. Oh shit, I ain't know about KRS-One or I ain't know about whatever the case is. This is our job.
Speaker 3:If we just sit there and dismiss all this shit and just back away from it, then it's like I'm not doing y'all job no no, no, I'm not trying to say that you know what I'm saying, but I'm just of saying that to a degree it's on life support, right, with everything going on, it's not.
Speaker 1:It's not on life support. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, so, ag, what happens?
Speaker 4:if, why are we waiting for Drake and Kendrick to drop tonight?
Speaker 1:Right. Hold on hold. On hold on AG. What if, when Future and Metro drop tonight, pusha T and Future get on a joint together? And guess what we're going to do.
Speaker 3:We're going to be right back at this, but that's the spirit of competition. We'll be right back here on Thursday.
Speaker 1:That's my point.
Speaker 3:All right, cool your daughter's how old my son is 16, right.
Speaker 1:My daughter's 17.
Speaker 3:And he's tapped into music now. This is the first major battle he's witnessed in his lifetime where he could really decipher lyrics, tap in and stuff like that. When we was in our formative years, how often did we have the same? Oh, we had it with frequency.
Speaker 4:Now, that's your job to educate. That's what I'm saying. This is the first time experiencing it.
Speaker 3:There are people far between.
Speaker 4:You got to give him the lineage of what was Well, no, he knows that.
Speaker 3:But these instances are few and far between.
Speaker 1:They're not at the same cliff, but AG, this is what I mean. So here's the educational part. When my daughter pulled up on me about the Cole shit, she was like yo, daddy, you seen what Cole did? I was like, yeah, Because she knows her history, because I've taught her history, she's like that ain't about to play. Right, right, Right.
Speaker 4:But she's my kid, so she knows. You know the things that I said with her. She's like yeah, yeah, that's your bloodline.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, she's like, yeah, I ain't with that shit at all. I'm like like neither is dad, but that's the reason from a lot of information you know, the funny thing is that y'all say this.
Speaker 4:You know me and I'm not trying to like cloud chase or whatever. The case is, me and you know me and Jermaine Dupri have a very, very close relationship, right. So he'll call me and we'll talk about this type of shit and he'll always tell me. You know the conversation we had yesterday. He was like yo niggas gotta go, they by. That was they got to go through classes and tests and this, that and the third, they got to go through all that shit and what he means by, and he was specifically referring to this whole Jermaine J Cole shit. And Kendrick, he's like you got to get tested, you got to know your history, you got to know your research, you got to do your homework, right, and I feel like a lot of these kids and new fans, or whatever the case is, they're not doing their homework, they're not doing their testing, they're not studying, they're not understanding what comes with no, that's a certain thing, and he's like yo he's like yo low.
Speaker 4:They got a they cole had to do his homework with. With a type of nigga like that.
Speaker 3:I'm you know. I'm glad you brought it.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, kukku, I mean, but this is part of the education part. So I was actually living in Atlanta for Jeezy's buzz and moved to California right in the middle of games buzz. That's the type of shit that I could never explain in words to my kid, like you had to be there to understand.
Speaker 2:I ain't never seen no like GZ in Atlanta.
Speaker 1:You gotta see that live. When I went to Cali, the way that they was on game shit, I had no idea until I got to Cali, but you would have to be in Atlanta to know how GZ took the streets here Ain't. Nobody ever took the streets like GZ down here Ever. I ain't seen the niggas.
Speaker 4:Go to it, To your. But to your point and to Jermaine's point. You got to know the history. You got to know the schooling. You got to understand how Jeezy moved the streets in fucking Atlanta. You got to know how the game moved the streets in LA. You got to know how Jay moved the streets in New York. You got to know how JD moved the streets in Atlanta as well. You feel what I'm saying? How Jermaine moved the streets in Atlanta as well. You feel what I'm saying? How Jermaine moved the streets in Fayetteville?
Speaker 3:If you're not going, to study for the test you're going to fail.
Speaker 4:And that's Jermaine Chaney. He's like yo, bro, you got to study this shit. Hip-hop is school. We got to get through the process. We got to go through the grades and the grades, and the grades and the grades. I got to know about the KRSs, I got to know about the rock camps, I got to know about Required reading. That's it.
Speaker 1:When you step into English class in high school, they tell you you got to know these books or you can't fuck with this class.
Speaker 4:Hip hop is the same way, and this is what Jermaine told me. Don't get mad when the teacher says we got a test on Friday and you fail Because you ain't researched.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you all this who fought us then? Because we're talking about the. It's our fault. It's our fault. That's all it does.
Speaker 4:But you see the conversation we're having right now. Yeah, this needs to happen reoccurringly.
Speaker 2:Yes, this got to happen Because right now we're having the cooler talk on camera. We're having the talk that we had back then Lunch table Lunch table in high school.
Speaker 1:Lunch table in high school.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. Barbershops basketball practice locker room yeah, on the court in the barbershop basketball practice locker room On the court in the barbershop at the lunch table, right Corner of the neighborhood on the soup.
Speaker 4:Yo, nigga, this is Thanksgiving when you talking with your uncle. Word, this is what this is, word. Yeah, you have to be. You got to be very mindful and very and I want to give y'all praise to the highest power that I can have these conversations. And you know, niggas like, oh, you know Lil pulling up, but he on Apple Music, but he pulling up with Grassroot. Like nigga, I don't give a fuck about that.
Speaker 3:Nah, we appreciate you pulling up for real, Because I can't have.
Speaker 4:Like you know, I can't have these conversations on Apple, but, like this is unfiltered conversations and this is what people need to see. Absolutely.
Speaker 1:How about this? When you teach properly, you end up becoming the student. So my daughter pulled up on me about Glow's project and about the Meg song. I didn't know. She was literally like. I was like yeah, I was like I'm fucking with that. Yeah, glow. She's like, but, daddy, have you heard the song with Meg? I was like no, send it to me. Each one, each one. And I was like this shit fire.
Speaker 1:That lets me know that I did my job as far as the education, because now she'd be pulling up on me like yo, so now I pick her brain. I'm like yo, how that trap. She's like it's not Astroworld, but it's good, I'm like, okay, yeah they at that age?
Speaker 3:That's the age that my son is at.
Speaker 4:All they doing is turning into you.
Speaker 3:Facts Sean will tell you. I got a little monster over here. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:My son, he wild, he heard to be cultivate that shit. And man, yo just be one of us when we grow up and I love that shit bro.
Speaker 3:I want to segue a minute. I want to ask y'all about Cole's approach on the song you know 7 minute drill, because he evidently didn't want to go at his homie, like Lois saying. But I think that it's a balance that you can strike when you trying to go at somebody you respect, but you still got to be scathing. And what I'm going to do, I'm going to point and salute who I think is the GOAT, Nas, because I don't think he gets enough credit for doing that balancing that you know what I'm saying For situations that he ain't really want to do it but he did it and it came off scathing Exhibit.
Speaker 1:A.
Speaker 3:I'm going to get to it. I'm going to get to it. Exhibit A he said and Ether, what's sad is I love you because you're my brother. You trade your soul for riches.
Speaker 1:I ain't trying to hear all that. I ain't trying to hear that the nigga Nas is rooted in the fundamentals of hip-hop history and culture. The nigga likes to battle. I can't dance with everybody. Everybody that's wanted to dance.
Speaker 3:He's been like okay, nigga, let's dance, but I'm saying it's the art of war. You ain't getting what I'm saying. You ain't getting what I'm saying Coop. He's balancing, toeing that line in that line. So on last real, a lot of pieces. It hurt me when I had to kill him, like I didn't want to have to do it but it hurt me.
Speaker 1:I don't believe that I'm not done.
Speaker 3:Y'all talk when I get done. Wait, hold on. Talk about talk about. All right. So 50 street riders, what do you say? I showed them their first ice. Now they, like I love you, knew him when they hustled. Now they try to sue Russell, like he told 50,.
Speaker 3:I can't point out your grandmother? You know what I'm saying. I know you Go reference, destroy and Rebuild. I would have told you Prodigy's my dog. This hurts me. Like to do it to nature, mega, I hope you blow. Did you write the record? It hurts me to do that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:AG Hold on.
Speaker 4:I'll tell you this. There's two things I'm going to tell you. You tell me I got dick sucking lips. I'm going to kill you.
Speaker 3:You tell me I'm a top of the house.
Speaker 4:I'm going to kill you, that's fine. That's crazy. I'm not trying to water down.
Speaker 3:I'm not trying to water down either. Cole didn't have to be disrespectful like that, but he not struck a balance to toe the line like yo. I'm going to kill you in this battle, but all the time let you know that I don't really want to have to do this to you look here reference point though you leave with love. He's a writer. You leave with love right?
Speaker 1:no, he's no, he's a writer's writer. He's a writer's writer, so he knows how to scope that shit out differently than other people yeah right, he's different. That's why I'm saying is like he's not a good case study for how to talk in these battles because, first of all, he's talked in more of them than anybody else, but the scope of him as a writer is different.
Speaker 3:And so he's always going to offer you, he's going to offer you.
Speaker 4:We keep going back. All right, we're trying to analyze this generational gap. The Nas's, the Prodigy's, the Wu-Tangs, the G-Units, the prodigies, the Wu Tang's, the G units, the state properties, like the Rough Riders, the Rock, like these niggas, were built differently. It wasn't like it really was not friendly competition, like it's not the. Ovo TDs. It's not the Dreamville, it ain't that.
Speaker 3:No, but him and Prodigy had a personal relationship. You know what I'm saying. Like, like that, like Prodigy had a personal relationship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Like Prodigy, like with his issues with Pac and whatever. But here's what I'm saying. It ain't that, it's just not that, no more.
Speaker 1:He's literally on Destroy and Rebuild. How many times Jungle ashamed that we had to go get some niggas to get your weird chain back. That's not friendly, shit nigga, that's not friendly shit, niggas robbed you Niggas robbed you. My niggas had to handle it. I'm tired of this shit.
Speaker 3:But that's my point. When you got history, when you got history with somebody, you can do that. You can reference that like. Don't make me do this to you, because I know you, dog, like J Cole and Kendrick, been friends for years.
Speaker 4:And he don't want to do that. Kendrick is fucking wired differently.
Speaker 3:He is 1,000%. He's wired fucking differently.
Speaker 4:J Cole is just not wired to that.
Speaker 1:I think Drake's the one that's wired differently, actually between the three of them.
Speaker 4:I agree with you too. Drake's the one that's wired differently.
Speaker 3:He's petty. He might be the only one more petty than Jay.
Speaker 4:He's close he took a page out of that book.
Speaker 1:A thousand percent. He's not as petty as Jay, but he's close.
Speaker 4:Man it's.
Speaker 3:He's close.
Speaker 2:Drake falls through with it. Drake, be messing with these guys' women and shit. Hey look here.
Speaker 1:I don't want to talk on it too quick, but the reason why, drake, be that way, be like yo. That's not your girl, because I was with you in Vegas when we had all the girls. So you're going to share that girl, nigga, so you're going to share that girl.
Speaker 4:You do know the opening track on we Don't Trust you that second verse is about who. Yeah, who's it about? We Don't Trust you. That second verse is about who.
Speaker 3:Who's it about you talking about?
Speaker 4:the first track. You talking about Aubrey.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the whole album is about Drake.
Speaker 4:The opening track to we Don't Trust you Absolutely.
Speaker 2:The whole album is Drake, it's personal.
Speaker 4:It is personal.
Speaker 1:Drake is pulling up on niggas' issues like we share that girl.
Speaker 4:I think, tonight, after we finish this broadcast, I think it's going to be some very, very crazy fuckery.
Speaker 2:As it should be.
Speaker 3:And we're going to be right back there next week for it, right, we're going to be right back next week for it.
Speaker 4:We're going to be right back next week for it. Oh nigga, we're going to be right back tomorrow.
Speaker 1:I was going to say I'll be back tomorrow morning if I need to be Right, I mean literally here, literally here with it.
Speaker 4:You know, if I see Pusha T or Kendrick on that track list, I'm calling y'all niggas up tonight. Look here, look here, Pull the broadcast back up.
Speaker 3:We got work to do Once again. If you ain't subscribed to Stationhead Hip Hop Talk, say it over there.
Speaker 1:We can play it for you.
Speaker 3:We got to play the music live if they drop tonight.
Speaker 4:If it goes that direction, I'm going to charge my phone. I'm going to hit y'all niggas, I'm going to be like yo 2 o'clock.
Speaker 3:We got work to do. We coming over to stay ahead.
Speaker 1:We going to be live on here, nigga.
Speaker 4:I don't give a fuck where we live at. If I think what's going to happen on that album.
Speaker 3:Hey, we got to be able to play the music. We might get copyright strike here you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:First of all, I ain't getting sued for none of y' niggas I get those emails.
Speaker 1:I'm doing that. Look here Pusha was trending on Twitter more than Drake and fucking Cole and Kendrick yesterday. What the fuck does that tell you really?
Speaker 4:going on wait. What happened with that?
Speaker 1:no about this album.
Speaker 4:He was trending yesterday about a lot of people saying yo, I wonder if Pusha's gonna be on the album this 9th or 3rd. So I mean we got about 2 hours left until that shit hit. I don't know if I'm gonna add it. A lot of people saying yo, I wonder if Pusha's going to be on the album this 9th or 3rd. I mean we got about two hours left until that shit hits.
Speaker 1:I don't know if we're at it by now, but I guess I mean for people who know me. People who know me?
Speaker 3:Your plugs ain't coming through though.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my plugs ain't coming through. I'm like yo, bro, where's it at?
Speaker 1:They're like yo it Metro and Future they're putting it on lock, tell the plug Taj to come through, or something man While we're having this big three talk, Future's actually the odd man out in this conversation because it actually should be, a big four and Future would be that fourth guy.
Speaker 2:You want to get Future.
Speaker 4:No, who is?
Speaker 2:he talking.
Speaker 3:Why not? He's fourth and fifth? It's him and Big Sean.
Speaker 4:They're not the same. They're not the same, they're not the same, and it's no disrespect to Future, because Future has it's like.
Speaker 3:Nah, I'm with Coop, I'm with Coop, I'm looking at Wale and Big Sean.
Speaker 4:No, Wale is not sniffing.
Speaker 3:Nah Wale is not sniffing that, it's Sean and Future Wale is not in this.
Speaker 1:No, wale is not sniffing that, it's.
Speaker 3:Sean and Future. Wale's not in this conversation with me. Four and five is Sean and Future. I don't care where you got them.
Speaker 4:Music. It's just not synonymous. When you look at Cole, kendrick and Drake, their music is cohesive. It's synonymous right. When I look at Future, I look at him more with Tip, with Gucci, with Jeezy. I look more with tip with with gucci, with jay-z. I look at, I look at that over there, like that's. I feel like how good he is. When you look at cole, kendrick and drake, like these niggas have traded spots simultaneously for years so you're saying they're operating in similar spaces and futures operating somewhere?
Speaker 4:else, yeah, like, and, and again. This is no disrespect to future, because then you? Can make some joints. I think you can make an album that can make. He done did joints with Dre Cool, I understand that. Then he done did shit with Metro Cool, I understand. Then he done did a hip-hop joint, then he did an R&B joint, then now he done did this shit with Metro. He's just on a different type of time than them other two.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you this when we was referencing back to the older Big 3 with Biggie, jay-z and Nas, granted, that was like New York, right, but people want to argue if Pac was in there. But, to your point, what you're saying about future is Pac the one that's off to the side Like nah. Pac is something different.
Speaker 4:I would agree with that. Okay, but here's the thing.
Speaker 1:Pac supersedes them, and I feel like a lot of them took tools. What Pac supersedes them? In a lot of ways, supercedes who? The big three, and I'm going to tell you why. We're talking about when they all were alive.
Speaker 4:When they all were alive. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't piss me off.
Speaker 1:What big three.
Speaker 4:Don't piss me off Big.
Speaker 1:Jay-Z and Nas. He supersedes them in this way.
Speaker 3:And when they were all alive? Yes, when they were all alive. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Not even when they were all alive. Dive into that. Dive into that. The way that they crafted their music is based on his formula.
Speaker 4:You're fucking lying, but continue. How, how.
Speaker 1:Tell me why? Because their thing, jay Nas and Big Thing is to make the street joint and then to make the radio friendly joint.
Speaker 3:Big and Jay, you can take Nas out of that, Nas don't go. Nas played the game fam.
Speaker 4:Nas played the game, fam, dr Knockboop.
Speaker 3:Gucci Wally fucking Dr Knockboop you can name them all over the world. You can name them on one hand, coop you can name them on one hand Coop. The formula is Pox, though we can make it just one EP with Nas and Joyce. We can make one EP with Nas and Joyce. Don't do that.
Speaker 1:It's still the formula. Is the formula, fam?
Speaker 4:Pox is the one that gave them that formula. You're referencing Uchiwale. In regards to the formula that Pac was, Nah Oochie Wally's hard. Don't do that. My phone about to die because I'm not doing this with y'all tonight. You're not doing it, so hold on. You really said that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, pac does supersede them on that, because he's the one that gave them a lot of the formula they work with when these dudes Pac out of where I'm from.
Speaker 3:Ambitious as a rider no no, no, no.
Speaker 1:You talking lyrically, Lo that's all I'm saying. No, you talking about, on some rhyme level, shit. I get what you're saying. I'm talking about the way that the product is put together, the content and how they're balancing out what they're putting together.
Speaker 4:I stand corrected.
Speaker 1:No, he can't he not about to get. He not about to make a, take it in blood. He not about to make a kick in the door or the evils.
Speaker 3:His lyrical capacity is not like that that's why I said what I said over there, I said what I said. He's over there.
Speaker 4:No, I stand corrected, I agree.
Speaker 3:But he's not.
Speaker 1:They provide you as an artist is what I'm saying. He provided that he did. I've always said that.
Speaker 4:I've always said Pot was the superior artist. I've always said that.
Speaker 3:We champion lyrically. That's why I was asking because you hesitant? But he was hesitant to put Future with the Cole, kendrick and Drake. So I said, okay, is that why we're hesitant to put the Pac with the Biggie, jay-z and Nas? Because of the lyrical problem.
Speaker 4:I can understand that comparison.
Speaker 1:Maybe but Future can't do, dear Mama, or so Many Tears, hell no.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying that. No, you're not saying that. We're making a parallel between big threes.
Speaker 2:Why are we focused on a number? Why can't we just focus on who's who? We don't have to focus on a big three. Future might not be part of that. We never said it. It was them Right. We never said it.
Speaker 4:We never said it. I'm like I love Future, I love Jeezy, I love Tip, I love Cole I love Drake, I love Hove, I love Nas. I never said it was Big 3. They said it.
Speaker 2:Because right now, whether we want to believe it or not, the boy is the one, drake is the one. Let's keep it above.
Speaker 1:Drake is here, everybody else that's what it is. Okay. Lo, I was with you on the lyrically, no, but he checks all the other traditional real nigga rap boxes that Kendrick and Cole not checking don't do that, don't do that first, Don't do that.
Speaker 3:Coop First of all.
Speaker 1:He engages in battle when he's tested. He's been to battle with Budden, with Common, with Pusha, I said that earlier.
Speaker 4:I said Drake is battle tested. I said that.
Speaker 3:Say with a straight face that Drake is better lyrically than Kendrick.
Speaker 1:No, that's crazy. That's what you were going to say. That's crazy.
Speaker 3:As long as we're clear.
Speaker 1:Lyrics can't be the main composite of what, of who's the best MC Y'all know. Plug it out, because if that was the case, if that was the case, cannabis would be the greatest MC of all time. Like, how about this? You want to know? I was watching the old performance of when Meth and Red and DMX and LL Cool J did 4-3-2-1 at the Apollo.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that was Survivor to Illusor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now, if you ask me who's the best lyricist Now, x as far as a lyricist, would come in fourth place, but he's better than all three of those guys. But he's better than all three of those guys in my opinion.
Speaker 3:But what I'll tell you is Kendrick makes good songs just as well as Drake can make good songs.
Speaker 4:He's not as versatile.
Speaker 3:Kendrick can make good songs just as well as Drake can, but Drake is a little bit more versatile. That I disagree with the demographics Drake's more demographic.
Speaker 1:Hold on AG. Who do you think make better songs? Lo Drake or Kendrick Drake Better songs?
Speaker 2:Songs.
Speaker 4:Universal yeah.
Speaker 1:But what I'm saying is Drake can't fuck with that nigga right.
Speaker 3:But what I'm saying is even though Kendrick is more lyrical, let's not act like Kendrick can't make good songs. Hey, no, no, no.
Speaker 4:We're not saying that. You asked a question, you said who can make better songs? That's Drake. That's Drake. Kendrick has made great songs. Bitch, don't Kill my Vibe.
Speaker 3:To me that's the Nas and Jay argument. Jay made all the hit records.
Speaker 1:Not that argument.
Speaker 3:That's wild Not having that argument. No, I'm talking about hit records. They're comparable lyricists.
Speaker 4:They're comparable lyricists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they are comparable lyricists.
Speaker 4:Y'all know that, right, jay only has one number one song.
Speaker 3:Yes, Okay so let me go to this.
Speaker 1:I mean yeah, Jay's the best hustler ever because Jay had people think he was some awesome hitmaker that he wasn't. It's his B-sides.
Speaker 3:No, no, you're missing what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:And I'm a whole venture, and y'all know this, jay is not a great hit maker. Yes, thank you, he's not a great hit maker.
Speaker 1:He's a good hit maker, but he's not a great hit maker.
Speaker 4:He's not a Drake hit maker.
Speaker 1:He's not a Drake, he's not an L. He's not a.
Speaker 3:Pac, he's not a Big. No, drake touches more demographics than Drake does.
Speaker 4:Jay's longevity is bar none, but I don't think we should diminish Jay-Z's hits.
Speaker 3:Like that, though, if we mean it real?
Speaker 4:no, no, no, I'm not diminishing that. Listen, I'm the first person to be honest and transparent. Drake can make a hit out his ass and his sleep is out of third Jay. Just that ain't him. Drake can make a hit out his ass and his sleep without a third Jay. Just that ain't him, but longevity.
Speaker 3:I would say that 50 is a better hit maker than Jay. I would agree, I agree.
Speaker 1:I think he's a better hit maker than Drake, though in a vacuum.
Speaker 4:No I wouldn't, agree with that.
Speaker 1:I think 50's hit making run is the best hit making run ever me personally ridiculous it was short, and potent, but Drake's, if you put everything together it's 50 ridiculous.
Speaker 4:Drake has more longevity with the hits, though he wrote what Six, seven records on the game's debut album.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and they were on it, but y'all was missing my point about Jay-Z and Nas.
Speaker 3:Nas don't have as many hits as Jay does. They're comparable lyrically but Nas is the superior lyricist to me, but Jay-Z had more hit records. You can say the same for Kendrick and Drake. Kendrick is superior lyrically but Drake has more hit records. That doesn't take away from Kendrick's ability to make good songs. Nas makes great songs as well.
Speaker 1:The gap's bigger. The gap's bigger between Drake's lyricism and Kendrick's lyricism, as opposed to a Nas and a Jay. I'm just making a parallel.
Speaker 3:I'm just making a parallel. I'm just making a parallel, but what I'm saying is Nas makes good song and people don't want to acknowledge that. He makes good. You know records, good songs that could be played in different environments. Kendrick can do that as well, so let's not diminish that.
Speaker 4:No we'll talk about him and Drake. I mean, I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 1:I mean I'm not. I mean okay, so I'm going to tread this lightly. When you're saying he can make songs that gets played in better environments, it's like are you talking about Good Kid, mad City? And Damn Absolutely. Because Pimple Butterfly is not like a different environment type of album Outside of All Right.
Speaker 3:Nah, pimple Butterfly don't have that, and neither does Mr Morale. Mr Morale got a few joints.
Speaker 1:So half his catalog really don't have what you're talking about.
Speaker 4:I mean damn near all the damn is that though.
Speaker 3:Oh shit.
Speaker 1:Damn is that? That's his industry album. Damn got some shit on there.
Speaker 4:Damn is an industry album.
Speaker 3:To me, damn is like Kendrick's Volume 2. To me, damn is like Jay-Z's Volume 2. As far as every song can pretty much be a hit. You know what I mean In that regard.
Speaker 4:Like you said, dance music. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't know about that. Because when you look at Jay's Volume 2. I think it is no, no, no. When you look at Jay's Volume 2, you look at Hard Knock Life. You look at Hard Knock Life. You look at Can I Get A? You look at Money Cash Hold. You look at Nigga what Nigga who you look at that's four right there.
Speaker 1:It's All Right. Is on there Money Anything?
Speaker 4:is on there. Oh yeah, but Money Anything. That's six right there. Kendrick got about four or five.
Speaker 3:Kendrick got maybe three Humble DNA. Love Humble.
Speaker 4:DNA love, I don't count humble Humble DNA and loyalty Humble's not like that for me. Loyalty is like that for a lot of people. Loyalty is like that.
Speaker 1:Love is like that.
Speaker 4:You got to think about it like this Can I Get Up? Was based on the movie soundtrack from Rush Hour 2.
Speaker 1:Rush Hour 2 soundtrack.
Speaker 3:It was John's song first, but go ahead.
Speaker 4:Then you had Hard Knock Life, then you had the Tour. But this is what I'm saying. They had Money in a Thing that was based off of JD's debut album and his shit.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of soundtrack stuff on there, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:So this is what I'm talking about with Jay, though, but the best song on that album is probably A Week Ago or Reservoir Dogs, even for all them hits. That's where Jay different.
Speaker 4:Are you talking about hit-wise or are you talking about content-wise?
Speaker 1:No, just like period, like on some rap shit as far as like a hip-hop song. A Week Ago. What'd you? A hip-hop song like to me a week ago. A week ago, no like coming of age.
Speaker 3:Oh, the coming of age too, yeah, but y'all, y'all going song for song. I just mean what it means. Like you said, the industry album like that's the one that kendrick made, it's like this is my commercial monster yo.
Speaker 4:Volume two is jay-z's commercial arrive, arrival and which one is kendrick's.
Speaker 3:It's damn Like damn.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying it's damn, I mean okay, but AG Good Kid. Mad City has swimming pools and it has Poetic Justice with Drake and it's got Backseat Freestyle and it's got Bitch, don't Kill my Vibe.
Speaker 3:And it's got Money Tree, but is it more commercially viable than damn? Though? I see you listing the song, but is it more commercially viable than them?
Speaker 1:though.
Speaker 3:I see you listing the thong, but is it?
Speaker 1:more commercially viable. No, no, it's not. It's not. No, it's not. It's both, but no, didn't them win a Grammy.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Kendrick got 17 Grammys. He got a lot of Grammys. No, I'm saying didn't that win a Grammy.
Speaker 3:I don't know about all of them.
Speaker 4:To Pimple Butterfly won the Pulitzer.
Speaker 3:No people think To. Pimple Butterfly won the Pulitzer.
Speaker 4:Look it up, it was damn, it was damn.
Speaker 1:It was damn that won the Pulitzer. Yes, look it up.
Speaker 3:Check your Googles. It was damn, they did.
Speaker 4:I can't check my Googles because I'm on. Youtube with y'all niggas.
Speaker 3:But it was there. You can trust. Trust the belief, I'll take it, I'll take it. But yeah, that's his big album.
Speaker 1:Okay, let's kind of like shift the narrative and kind of get back on course to the current generation.
Speaker 4:Wait, what did Dan win for? Dan won best rap album at the Grammys.
Speaker 3:And he won a Pulitzer. You phoned a friend, asked him about the Pulitzer.
Speaker 4:No, my man is over there. He's listening to this conversation.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:I told you I'm at the hookah spots, my nigga's like.
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's circumvent back to what's going on right now.
Speaker 4:What of our incvent is a crazy word it's a.
Speaker 1:Kendricky word don't do that, don't do me like that.
Speaker 4:I'm not trying to boss you, I'm just saying circumvent is a crazy word. What are our?
Speaker 1:expectations moving forward for how this is going to unfold. As far as the future Metro album that's about to drop, here's what's getting lost. As far as the future Metro album that's about to drop, here's what's getting lost in this, too, the future Metro album is fucking banging too.
Speaker 2:Yo future Metro album is from front to back From front to back the whole album production is crazy.
Speaker 4:I mean it's Metro. I don't know from front to back, but it does have very, very consistent highlights.
Speaker 3:I personally didn't skip anything on the first one.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. I feel like if you cut four, songs off, you have the album of the year.
Speaker 4:I think that's how I feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you cut four songs off the Metro Future album, it's the album of the year, I think I definitely feel how you feel You're right. Okay, so let's say this cranks back up in about two hours. Like we say kendrick pops up and comes outside and push it comes outside and niggas is like no, we still feel like playing.
Speaker 4:I think I think kendrick holds back. Kendrick waits to see what's going on in the atmosphere. I think kendrick waits to see if drake jumps out the window. I think Kendrick, I honestly think Kendrick disappears Right, that's not new, I mean clearly. I think, now Drake is on the main stage.
Speaker 1:And if I'm Drake.
Speaker 3:I'm waiting to see what's there tonight. I'm not.
Speaker 4:That's why I tweeted I'm like yo you gotta wait to see what's going on tonight Got to.
Speaker 3:They might have Ross On the album or something crazy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we gotta see, like If Push gonna pull up, if Kendrick gonna double back, like we gotta see. Alright, what are we doing?
Speaker 3:How do y'all think that Drake should address Everybody else? We know Kendrick Is the main target. Yeah. So do you think he does like Jay-Z and give him a for all the rest of y'all taking shots at Jigga, you only get half a bar Sure as fuck you know what I'm saying, Like that type of thing, or do you think he addressed everybody by name?
Speaker 4:So and not to cut you off, I think Drake lets this album drop. Listens to the subliminals, the things that we don't know about. He's looking at the track. Listen right now. All right, who's featured? Who's this, who's that? He hits 12 o'clock? Then he's going to listen to it and then watch the reaction of what is being said, or whatever the case is.
Speaker 3:That's fair.
Speaker 4:I feel like I forgot. Somebody said this to me. Oh, my nigga Reem said this to me.
Speaker 1:He was like yo, 6 am on a Tuesday, we're going to get a fucking bomb. Yeah, I'm with it. So, Drake, are we all clear that Drake's in pole position? Right now In who. Drake. Drake's in pole position right now, right Like he's in number one spot. Because he can sit back and survey the whole.
Speaker 4:Oh no, he's back against the wall right now.
Speaker 3:Survey the whole he can sit back and but he gets the opportunity to survey the whole landscape, though. But he gets to sit back and survey the whole landscape.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he know that.
Speaker 3:Cole bowed out, and then he knows he can wait on it.
Speaker 2:Let me say this I think that Drake definitely is in a poor position, but I also think Drake has all the stones in his hand, because what he can do is pull something that can throw everybody off. He can throw Cole into that equation as well.
Speaker 4:He's not going to throw his light-skinned best friend in that shit. Don't laugh like that Don't laugh like that. No, you being shady, that was shady. I'm just saying, like yo, bro, like you didn't click up with the light-skinned niggas, no, no, no, for real, and like he didn't apologize, so like now I got to stand up for myself and you.
Speaker 1:No, it's like when Shalimar broke up man.
Speaker 2:Look, if Drake is the petty guy we think he is, he's going to throw a light jab to Cole because this is an opportunity for him to take the complete pole position. This is what he can put away from everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4:I think what happens is right now is Kendrick has thrown a very, very direct shot at Drake right For the last two weeks. We all can agree to that, right? Yes, yeah, he threw a direct shot. Like yo, I'm waiting for you to say something stupid, something dumb. I'm waiting for you. So now, in addition, okay, I got these other two niggas that are dropping a new album, so now I'm like all right, are y'all going to continue the onslaught? Are y'all going to continue to act dumb? Yes, we don't know if it's a pusher feature. We don't know if it's a little Wayne. We don't know what. What's going on?
Speaker 4:So, Drake has to sit back and be like all right, let me watch what's going to. All right, let me watch what's gonna happen. Let me watch what's gonna be said. Yes, if there's nothing to be said now, drake can focus back on dot correct, right? Because again, we see we saw the track listen before we got on. We don't know who's on the track listen. We don't know who's featured on any of these records. Is it an R&B album? Is it a continuous of that? We don't know what's going on. Once I hear what type of time y'all on, now I know where to point my fucking pistol at.
Speaker 3:Okay, but you know what I don't want? What I absolutely don't want is when Pusha did his thing against Drake and then you know the word was that Pusha got his intel from Kanye about the situation. Drake aimed his scope at Kanye and Scorpion released and released a double album where 80% of it was Kanyeye disses right, I don't want drake to shift his gaze off of kendrick and start shooting that just future and metro and dodging the elephant in the room which is kendrick, because that's on the table, because I could see drake doing something like that like, let me ask you something.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you something, since you're saying the initial all right, hold on that, not my fault bro go ahead the initial.
Speaker 4:the initial engagement was between Metro and Drake. We all know that right, absolutely the initial engagement, the tweets, the Grammy shit. We all know that was the initial engagement. So then now you come out with an album with Metro, with a nigga that you know I don't like, and the album called we Don't Trust you and you know I don't like and I'm gonna fall, we don't trust you. And the opening fucking record on the second verse is this nigga going at me, you, my number one fan dog, descendant third dog blah blah, blah dog. Blah, blah, blah dog. And then you got a nigga from comping down like fuck the big three, it's just me, the pet cemetery descendant third like now you like, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're riling me up.
Speaker 4:Hey alo ross, I follow drake on social media too, so when he pulled up on the album and then now right on the album, right, right. So it's like now you're doubling down, so it's like I gotta know what are y'all doing on this next one? Once I see what y'all doing on this next one. Once I see what y'all doing on this next one, I know exactly where to go.
Speaker 3:Who do I need to shoot at? He was even shooting at Travis Scott on stage because Travis Scott was hyping up that tour. You saw what Travis was doing.
Speaker 4:You saw what Travis did. That was nasty, Yo play that record that Yo bro you playing in niggas' faces now.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Does it seem like everybody's like all right?
Speaker 3:let me see what what I'm saying is. I don't want drake to multitask to the point where you multitask it to the point where the main objective don't get done. If you address all these and then your kendrick disc is whack, this is whack, then don't even address them, dudes, just address kendrick. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:But I'm saying, and that's my whole point If Kendrick supposedly drops tonight and Future and Metro drop and they say whatever the fuck they say, but if Kendrick specifically drops towards Drake, I'm aiming at Kendrick, y'all you and Future and Metro.
Speaker 3:Y'all do what y'all do. I'll take care of y'all later.
Speaker 4:Y'all do what y'all do. I'll take care of y'all later. If Kendrick specifically drops to me at midnight and is talking directly to me, I'm handling business.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:I'll take care of that other shit later.
Speaker 1:So let me ask you something Isn't everybody consolidating their power kind of against Drake, kind of showing who he is, though he's the number one guy, he's the guy.
Speaker 4:He's the top guy, it's inevitable.
Speaker 3:He's like Thanos and this is like the Avengers.
Speaker 1:I was actually thinking this is like Godfather shit actually, where the five families are conspiring.
Speaker 4:What do we expect that nigga is one of the greatest.
Speaker 2:Of course, eminem warned him, jay warned him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we're supposed to be shocked at like yo everybody's coming at, Of course.
Speaker 3:But no, no, no, it's the fact that it's a concerted effort that kind of makes it seem kind of wild.
Speaker 4:It's not like everybody coming at them, it's also a common denominator why is everyone talking about you? Why is everyone so concerned?
Speaker 3:We don't trust you and we still don't trust you.
Speaker 4:There's something that this nigga did.
Speaker 3:The enemy of my enemy is my friend For real. There's something that this nigga did. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. For real, that's what it is.
Speaker 4:Look at it like this we all chill. I'm sure at the end of the day, we gonna, you know, build a close bond and we gonna hang out and whatever the case is right If y'all continuously hear things about me right Over and, over and over again y'all are going to have a general consensus of a conversation Like yo yeah so with this nigga. So my problem with that it ain't y'all, it's always me.
Speaker 1:Right. So my problem with that conversation is that I feel that conversation is about fucking females and not about this rap shit. When is it never not about females?
Speaker 3:Coop.
Speaker 4:Regardless of what it's about, regardless of what it's about. If it always comes back, to love, let me say this Damn, what, the fuck, what?
Speaker 1:the fuck's going on, like all I'm saying is when a nigga in California, a nigga in Miami and a nigga in Atlanta and they all got problems with you. Oh no, that's these fucking broads.
Speaker 2:It's me. That's the point.
Speaker 4:We're not even in the same city, Yo cook Sean. We're not even in the same city but I got a question for Coop.
Speaker 2:But every time like yo don't fuck with that nigga. No, I got a question for Coop, but I also got a comment. I see Jarvee in the building. If Pusha Trap on his shit tonight, we need to get a rap roundtable. We all need to get on one pod and talk about this, because now we know that we are at full.
Speaker 3:The United Nations.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:The UN a rap niggas.
Speaker 1:Cause, here's the thing. Cause, here's the thing, sean, not to cut you off. Yeah, push is my guy. Push is my favorite guy of this era.
Speaker 5:That's my nigga right there, yeah, I love push. He's my guy, I ain't gonna lie my guy.
Speaker 2:My guy? My mind was cold. My mind was cold. No, no, Push is my guy, but I got to ask you this. Though, I got to ask you this he usually does no, no, no.
Speaker 1:Hold on real quick, Sean. He usually does solo missions. So if he consolidates and commiserates with these guys, oh it's on, it's on, because that ain't how he normally moves.
Speaker 4:This ain't got nothing to do with Push. No, ain't got nothing to do with push. No, it doesn't. But, it ain't got nothing to do with push it ain't got nothing to do with.
Speaker 2:Push it creates a vacuum, because now, if he comes into this on this wave right Now, we got to ask the question Wayne, where are you?
Speaker 4:No, it don't got nothing to do with Wayne either. Listen, wayne, why? Why?
Speaker 2:Why? Because my man's getting jumped right now what? Does Wayne got to?
Speaker 4:do with future Metro Kendrick.
Speaker 2:Not a thing, but my man's getting jumped. Think about this. Fight back, bitch. Fight back. When Nas solo jumped Jay, what did State Property do? State Property went on. Jay was their boss.
Speaker 1:Jay was their boss. Jay was their boss. That's the boss giving. That's the boss giving workers orders like go shoot a 10-year.
Speaker 2:Yo get active. So we're saying Young Money's going to sit back here like yo.
Speaker 4:you got it when you say Young Money, what you think Birdman and Twista and fucking Tiger going to get active.
Speaker 2:Somebody got to get active. I don't care who it is.
Speaker 3:To Sean's point, because Jay-Z was dealing with Nas Prodigy Kiss. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:the rest of these blockers, the blockers that were equipped to deal with that situation.
Speaker 3:Because money don't got that. But he had to focus on the big dogs which he was a big dog at the time and then Nas and he had to have you know what I'm saying beans go, deal with Jada Kid. So that's Tashaun's point.
Speaker 4:Alright. So okay, let's evaluate. Let's evaluate the roster of Young Money. Twista, I mean a Tiger.
Speaker 3:I think he said misspoke, we really talking OVO Like some hey yo he might got about. He got five of them joints from UK In his stable. What?
Speaker 2:Yo, I don't care about OVO, I don't care about.
Speaker 4:Here's the thing I swear. I'm not trying to be funny, I'm not trying to be funny. I don't care about OVO, I don't care about I'm talking about. Here's the thing I swear. I'm not trying to be funny. I'm not trying to be funny.
Speaker 3:I don't care, All right that's cool.
Speaker 4:You take that, the internet. You say he's trying to be funny. I'm not trying to be funny. All I'm saying is that the game is built very, very differently. Right, when niggas were beefing back in the day, right, dipset had, you know, hell Rail, jr Ryder, uncasa, whatever, not to say that they were like you know whatever, but they had soldiers, state property had Young Chris Freeway, you know, oskeno Sparks, whatever the case is, g-unit had Banks. You know Banks was a monster, banks was a monster. He had Banks, banks was a monster.
Speaker 3:Banks was a monster.
Speaker 4:He had Banks. He had this, that and the third. They had niggas to deal with. Ovo doesn't have niggas to deal with. Yeah. I don't want to hear you look at PGE. Not even PGE. You look at Kendrick's label PGL Lang.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:PGL Lang, it's just Kendrick.
Speaker 3:Yo sidebar Cause we forgot about this inside. But I don't want to hear nothing for push, cause he never responded to Jim. So don't say nothing to Drake, you know what I'm saying Just all right Now.
Speaker 1:it's time to get off, because I'm just being First of all. Why? Why? Why, let me handle this. Hold on Can. I handle this right quick Go ahead. Goop. You tend to need to fight in your weight class.
Speaker 4:Okay, you fight in your weight class.
Speaker 1:Right. Why would you pick a fight when they're going to fight in your weight class?
Speaker 3:Let me ask you this, goop, since you said that, do you think that that's why Drake never responded to Budden? No, yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 1:I'm not doing that. You compromised bro Don't do that.
Speaker 4:My phone is on 4%. I really appreciate y'all niggas tonight.
Speaker 3:Look at the question he leaving on.
Speaker 1:Look at the question he leaving on on. Look at the question he leave it on. He compromised. Don't do that. No, no, no. I mean to be honest with you, drake. I feel like was in a place with Budden where, for Budden's following, he wasn't going to win that fight with Budden's base by picking that fight, so he didn't pick the fight. What did he stay in the game?
Speaker 3:What? Did he stay in the game already? No, you're right, but I think the thing was he held Joe Budden to a certain position, but he knew that the fans didn't. But they cool, but he knew the fans didn't, he could play their card.
Speaker 1:He could play their card. Look here, and I love push. But the only reason Drake even picked up about push is that he, like yo, I'm tired of this nigga pushing me around. Like he's been pushing me and my man around for years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but Drake was poking at Pusha T too. Pause, like you know what I'm saying For a long time.
Speaker 1:No, not as long as Pusha been poking at him.
Speaker 4:That started with Lil Wayne. That started with Lil Wayne and Pusha. That's the Wayne thing first, right, yeah, that started from Mr Me Too, correct.
Speaker 1:Actually, that started from what happened to that boy and around that time where.
Speaker 3:Push felt like he dropped it.
Speaker 1:That's before that.
Speaker 3:We going back like crazy time. But do you think on comeback season, on that Barry Bonds freestyle when he said if you rock and braids, that goes out to everybody except Trey? Like we was thinking that was about Push way back then, before Drake was great.
Speaker 4:I think Pusha admitted this, I think a couple days ago. He was like that shit was all over Bape, who was rocking Bape first?
Speaker 3:That's crazy. I mean, I know he said that, but that's still crazy.
Speaker 4:I mean it's crazy and it's stupid. But you know niggas are egotistical.
Speaker 3:I'd rather it be about a chick than a clothing brand, but okay.
Speaker 1:I'd rather it be about the clothing brand, I'd rather it be about the clothes.
Speaker 4:Yo, I hate y'all niggas bro.
Speaker 3:Not as fun as hell man. I hate y'all niggas.
Speaker 4:Y'all niggas fun as hell, but I hate y'all niggas, bro. We about to get in trouble. You know what the funny thing is, I can't wait to see what clips that y'all decide to edit, whatever the case is, and I'm just going to get killed online.
Speaker 2:Like hold on, I've been dealing with this shit for 15 years.
Speaker 4:Just choose the best one. That's all I ask. Use the best one.
Speaker 3:I'm mad at Sean because Sean being too quiet, he trying to protect his image.
Speaker 1:Let me tell you something, sean, let me tell you something. Yo, let me tell you something.
Speaker 4:Let me, charles, let me tell you something, yo, let me tell you something. You'll never, ever be able to protect your image based on your opinion, because once your opinion gets loud and loud and louder and louder and respected, niggas gonna be looking for that one thing to pick you off with. Pick you off. I'm surprised niggas ain't look up my you know what. I ain't even gonna say it because somebody in here probably gonna be like oh, let me look up this nigga's old tweets. Yeah, yeah, yo, just have fun with it, just have fun.
Speaker 3:Nah, but real talk. We appreciate you pulling up and you know what I'm saying and lending your opinion.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying Y'all got me down at 3% at 10 points.
Speaker 1:That means the convo was fluid.
Speaker 3:For sure, Yo, Sean, you want to when low hop off, you want to go into, you know do, the Coop's Corner segment.
Speaker 2:The what. Coop's Corner.
Speaker 1:I got a couple sidebar takes, unless you want to hear the sidebar takes before you go, yeah, go ahead, let's go. Okay, so here's my first one. So I know that there are posse cuts that are better than Soap Paul, but is there a better four-verse posse cut than Soap Paul?
Speaker 4:lyrically, speaking Dan for TV.
Speaker 1:No, I don't agree, I do Four. Johnny Blaze, I'm speaking Bamford TV. No, I don't agree, I do Four. Johnny Blaze, I'm going to tell you what John Blaze Four Four. I don't love Cam's verse on Bamford. Tv. I mean it could be four or more, but I don't love Cam's verse on Bamford TV and I feel like Jada and Styles have better back and forth than that.
Speaker 4:Nature and party. They think 24 Hours to Live.
Speaker 3:John Blaze.
Speaker 4:John Blaze.
Speaker 1:Not John Blaze. John Blaze falls off after the Nas and Puns versus.
Speaker 4:Ray, all right, 24 Hours to Live. Blackout 24 Hours to Live Blackout, blackout.
Speaker 3:Niggas done, started something.
Speaker 1:Blackout more than niggas done, started something.
Speaker 3:Reservoir Dogs.
Speaker 1:Nah, that'd be four more right.
Speaker 3:I shot your remix Four more.
Speaker 4:I shot your remix. Yep, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:I don't agree with that because I feel like Prodigy is owning them niggas on that record.
Speaker 3:But everybody came correct too, though LL is crazy on that.
Speaker 1:Fox is crazy on there 4-3-2-1.
Speaker 4:Nah.
Speaker 3:You want to put that over Saul Paul Lyrically.
Speaker 1:I'm just talking lyrically.
Speaker 4:I'm talking lyrically, I'm telling you no, I'm telling you no.
Speaker 1:No, that's right. Nas and Ray is way better than having P on there. I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:If we're basing it off the law of averages, then it's still better than Soapaw, and if these other cats is up here, even if it's a slight drop-off, I like the Rough Riders Anthems remix.
Speaker 1:Are you?
Speaker 3:talking about a more consistent like no drop-off. Not necessarily better no drop-off Like how about this?
Speaker 1:John Blaze has a drop-off I4 and I has a drop-off. What do you mean drop-off? I4 and I has a drop-off. What do you mean drop-off? Well, not a drop-off Like Havoc and Peace versus on I4 and I is not as strong as Ray and Nas versus me.
Speaker 3:So you're talking, even if it's straight B pluses versus one B an A plus one B a B. One B an A, one B a C like that.
Speaker 1:Everybody on Soul Paul bought their A game.
Speaker 3:Okay, on Paul about the A game.
Speaker 1:Okay, a game. What about Monster? I disagree with I-49. Hey, I'm actually not big on Monster, like everybody else is.
Speaker 4:Well, no, I was just asking, I was just asking Okay yeah, I'm not big on Monster. Yeah, I don't fuck with that. 24 Hours to Live gave me something to think about. All right. What about All About the Benjamins?
Speaker 1:Benjamins is the best ever, that's the best record ever, but that's but. Kim and big's verse is like somewhere where the other verses are not, in my opinion even though the other verses are great.
Speaker 3:Nah, bro, all them verses are crazy we're talking about as a collective all about.
Speaker 1:The benjamins is the better record overall and it's close, I mean.
Speaker 3:I'm just posing it. Last day, last day Locks in big.
Speaker 1:That's a good one. That's a good one. I feel like big is just still above them on that one, but I hear you.
Speaker 3:No, I mean, it's big bro, like what you mean.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, Hold on. That's still a prime J on Soapaw and Pusha and Ye and Saha keeping pace with J. I think Pusha got the best verse on Soapaw.
Speaker 4:You bugging.
Speaker 3:It's either Pusha or or Nah, I don't know man, I got Saha second.
Speaker 1:I met this girl on Valentine's Day, fuck her. In May she found out about March my phone.
Speaker 4:I can't wait to do this again next week peace, bro peace y'all yo 4th chamber nah come on, Coop.
Speaker 3:I think you reaching now Coop. Y'all Yo fourth chamber. Nah, Come on, Coop. I think you're reaching now Coop.
Speaker 1:I don't count Wu-Tang shit. I don't count Wu-Tang shit. That's not fair to anybody.
Speaker 3:Y'all said low-sore, but in a stack yo them triangle offense joints was crazy back in the day.
Speaker 1:If we count Wu-Tang shit, everybody get next out, because we got Guillotine, we got Wu-Gambinos. We got Fourth Chamber, we got Protect your Neck, we got Seventh Chamber, we got chest boxing. Like that ain't fair.
Speaker 3:We got Hell's Wind Stab. Give it up fast. What do you say? Give it up fast. Give it up fast, coop, what you got.
Speaker 1:Nah I-4 and fast.
Speaker 3:Give it up fast, coop. What you got, nah, I for an eye is better than give it up fast. But you was talking about consistency in the, in the, in the verses can I tell you something?
Speaker 1:the naz verse on there is just good, not great, and that's 96 got the best verse on there and yeah, but that's 96 naz and we didn't really get a 96 naz verse on. Give it up fast. I just you know if we just going to be like really splitting hairs about it.
Speaker 3:Yo Prodigy went crazy on you know what I'm saying like a night train Prodigy went crazy on Hell, on Earth. Prodigy blacked out on that. When he started I stopped at the Lexus or some of that shit, like. From that point on he left first.
Speaker 1:You. From that point on he left first. You know what I'm saying? The only niggas better than Prodigy in 96 to me are Nas and Jay Like in 96?
Speaker 3:The only niggas better than Prodigy are Nas and Jay.
Speaker 1:Even that's arguable. And if you told me he was better than Jay in 96, I wouldn't argue with you too heavy.
Speaker 3:He was that guy man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, personal personal favorite, like personal all-time favorite, Like if I'm making my list he's in my top 10 or 15, if we make him my personal list.
Speaker 3:But since you're talking about lists, so you're basically saying that Soul of Paul is your number one posse cut.
Speaker 1:It's not my number one posse cut, that's still Benjamin's. I'm just saying lyrically, I don't know how many songs have four verses like that on there. Like Kanye's, verse is the weakest verse, and when that's your weak verse you got a fucking problem on your hand.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you what Coop. Welcome to the team. Let's stationhead that. Let's put these together and stationhead that, okay, so now get out my head.
Speaker 1:My note said, my whole point of doing this was that we need to do a posse cut segment and pick the best posse cuts ever and really break it down.
Speaker 3:And we'll do it on Stationhead.
Speaker 1:And Stationhead yeah.
Speaker 3:We'll do that. On Stationhead Welcome to the team. We got the upcoming Stationhead show. If you ain't subscribed yet, go over to download the Stationhead app and subscribe to Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 1:Blackout, blackout's a personal favorite. When he said Blackout, I was like oh, out's a personal favorite when he said black out. I was like, oh, that's my shit. Black out, it's kiss and uh and styles verse on black out. And then the way jay and fucking.
Speaker 3:That's also crazy. Like x only had to come with like 12 bars. I don't even know if it was 12, you might have spit eight, like no that's because jay took up all the fucking space bouncing around on the track, nigga nah, jay killed that. Don't do that. Don't do that jay killed that, yes, he did jay don't even rap like that, no more.
Speaker 3:As far as like vocal tone and nothing. That was like when jay was still in that bag, like he don't. He changed after that. You know, I'm saying era like that vocal tone of jay is my favorite version of jay, like he would come on, bro, don't do that I love the verse I'm saying the way that he spaced out his bars on the track took up some of X's space he did. I'm not saying he didn't come through.
Speaker 1:Hold on. Because of how the locks is rhyming on there for the first three verses, because it's the locks on the first three verses. J literally comes and rhythmically changes the pace of his bar style.
Speaker 2:It was slow. That was a gigaman era.
Speaker 3:It was syncopated differently. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying it was syncopated differently. Absolutely Right. What else we got today, fellas? Shout out to Low for pulling up. This has been a great first show.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Your other Coop's Corner stuff, stuff. You know I'm saying that you wanted to talk about. Well, the other thing I wanted to talk about is is that you know, um, I always like to shout out like artists that like you know, that we know and that we love and respect that really don't get maybe the props that they deserve. Like um, I was listening to ab soul on the on the pie track on cole's album and I was thinking to myself like man, ab soul this is what I'm saying ab soul and mock homie need to do an album together because mock homie is like ab soul, east of me. What you think about an ab soul, mock homie parent?
Speaker 3:I'm here for that.
Speaker 1:That'd be dope I like that that'd be dope that was my, that was my other take. I always try to look at Cat Styles and who would blend well together. I think they could make some really dope, futuristic sound and shit together. So I'd like to hear a little Ab-Soul. Mark Homme.
Speaker 2:I would love to see that in an EP, though I would see that in an EP. Give me like six to seven. Yeah, no, I'm cool with six to eight records.
Speaker 1:Six to eight records, nothing heavy, just something to see what they could do with it style wise, because they, they both got, they both got this off kilter flow pattern that's so off, that it's on, and their styles are just so unique and their and their content is so unique too.
Speaker 3:But that if they did some back and forth because that daylight and um, you know I'm saying abso, it was so fluid. You know what I mean for them to you know, do that in and daylight. And you know what I'm saying Abso, it was so fluid. You know what I mean For them to. You know, do that in and out flow. You know, jada and Styles, like that verse on Pi was crazy for them going back and forth. You know what I mean. No, no, no Pi is crazy.
Speaker 1:The. Cole album is crazy you know, what's crazy about all this rap, competitive beef shit. It really is overshadowing two of the best projects this year, which is the Cole album and the Future Metro album. It's like literally two of the top five projects this year I would take I Am God shout out to I Am God, blood Suede, stain 2, and the Schoolboy Q. Those are my favorite projects this year, and the Rock and the Rock, marcy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but for me that Cole project didn't hit as much after he backed down because it's filled with those braggadocio bars and stuff and then when you know it wasn't nothing behind that, at the end of the day listen to those songs sound differently. So, looking forward to the fall off, I think he should get back into his conceptual bag and focus on that Like he used to be before he got into the, like you know, braggadocious bars and all that, and I could appreciate the fall off more. But something tells me, if he's been recording fall off over this you know past, you know a couple of years it's going to have a lot of those bars on there.
Speaker 1:And you know past, you know couple of years it's going to have a lot of those bars on there and I don't think people want to respect it as much. Here's what I'm going to respect. You want to know what the most important part of the album for me was was actually on seven minute drill, when the beat switched and I heard conductor come in, I was like, yes, the production. I was like, yes, call the production. Yeah, I was like, yes, call that nigga. Yeah, to give you that hip-hop shit. Because for me, like I was going back through cole's catalog, cole is the rap guy of the bunch and I think his catalog is kind of going understated because drake's made so many big records, kendrick's had so many big moments. It's easy for us to downplay born center and friday night lights and forest hill drive those are great albums.
Speaker 3:Yo real quick. I'm gonna get back on the cold thing, but I just seen a comment where may said um, something about hobey baby is, uh, his best performance as a rapper. Maybe not that one, but I love that song because that beat is hard to rap over, like the tempo is unorthodox. Hard to rap over. The tempo is unorthodox.
Speaker 1:When I want to reference how that beat's not good but as far as mic performance, that's a top five mic performance If I want to reference how Doe's flow is.
Speaker 3:I'll point to that song. Anybody can't hop on that and do what he did. You know what I mean, that's a side note.
Speaker 3:On the Cole thing I want to make clear Because we've had a lot to say about Cole. I want to make clear that I'm still like A big time Cole fan. I look forward to his release. It just disappointed me. I put on Twitter the other day, as a hip hop fan, what disappointed you more? Three Stacks disowning hip-hop and playing the flute, or cole bowing out of the battle and not wanting to spar, and overwhelmingly it was, like you know, cole. It wasn't a whole lot of votes but overwhelmingly cole thing won. So I was really disappointed in the stance that he took, even though I respect it. But I'm still a Cole fan. So where do each of you feel that Cole goes from here and do you still consider yourself a big fan of Cole, if you was already?
Speaker 2:I think, for me, I think he can recover. He's already recovering, as is, because you're seeing people talk about him right now. They're championing him right now, I think they're saying that he, right now, I think this is. They're saying that he's brave. This is all something that other rappers start doing. I think cole, honestly, has started a different wave, not so much as an apology wave, but a different type of way, because now everyone is championing him. No one has really come out and said anything that made you feel like yo it's. It's up for him. His career is not over if the fallout comes out.
Speaker 2:If the fallout drops and be anything close to what he just dropped or better, we're going to forget this whole thing.
Speaker 3:We're going to it can be back if it's that quintessential classic, you think that it gets swept under the rug I don't, okay, first of all.
Speaker 1:First of all, I'd like to quote beanie seagull, who said and I don't want to hear that bullshit, I ain't mean it. All right, that's the first thing. So I don't want to hear that, I ain't mean it. I'm sorry, I ain't trying to hear none of that, and I'm gonna tell you exactly how I feel, no matter what happens as far as this race and his legacy is concerned, unless he drops something that is not, fuck, a classic, all-time classic. Okay, well, I'm gonna let me finish.
Speaker 1:Let me finish when I say all-time classic. Understand this is like no dropping. Dropping a Forest Hills drive is not going to fucking cut it.
Speaker 5:When I'm saying he needs to drop, he needs to drop a my Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.
Speaker 1:A Good Kid, mad City, a Get Rich or Die, trying A Only Built for Cuban Links. No, he needs a classic classic right now, because other than that you didn't get. It came in third place.
Speaker 3:I ain't trying to be in third regardless if he dropped a classic or not. He's still going to be in third.
Speaker 1:But what I think he dropped an all time classic, not all time but I think it means more to us as heads.
Speaker 3:Cool, then it does the general, uh, the casual fan. Because they don't care, because look how Ross made it out of the CO situation. Nobody cared about that.
Speaker 1:He made good music. No, that's not true, he's not. He's better than Ross on the mic, though this is different.
Speaker 3:Okay, and then Drake with the situation with QM. You know what I'm saying. He's just fine.
Speaker 1:After that, people thought that was career suicide as well. I'm telling you this is different, because in true hip-hop head circles, Jar fit the nail on the head.
Speaker 3:Cole's status as a rapper is fine, A-OK, but as a competitor he's toast, he bowed out. He's still an elite top-tier rapper.
Speaker 1:No, no, no. You do not get to separate the two. Part of being an elite rapper is the competitive side of it. You are not about to separate the standard.
Speaker 3:He gets the merits for that. He gets the merits, he gets points, doc.
Speaker 1:I ain't giving him shit, unless he drops an all-time classic album.
Speaker 3:Does that take away from the?
Speaker 2:skill set.
Speaker 3:Does that take away from the skill set?
Speaker 1:Does that take away from the skill set? Yes, because part of your skill set has an all-time elite MC is your ability to engage in battle, because this is a competitive rap sport. Absolutely.
Speaker 3:I'm saying that slider. If you're talking NBA 2K, that slider is all the way to zero now, but everything else he's leveled up on.
Speaker 1:That makes him a B player. If that's on zero and everything else says A, that still makes him a B player, not an A player.
Speaker 3:I agree with that, I agree with that, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:So, a nigga who ranking's supposed to be 97 is 89 and y'all okay with it. I'm not okay with it.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not okay with it either, but I'm just kidding, as a hip-hop head I'm not, but they don't care. I'm saying the masses like media, social media, all of that. They don't care about that anymore. They're championing him for having the courage to say what he said. So it's throwing all the algorithms off.
Speaker 3:We know that from hip-hop heads.
Speaker 1:It's throwing our frequencies off. Like Styles B said, my frequency ain't off. Okay, let me get more into the vein of the style of music he makes. He needs something Midnight Marauders, comparable. Be by Common. Comparable Things Fall Apart by the Roots, comparable.
Speaker 1:He needs an album like that right now in order to restore this in the hip-hop circle, sort of thing. I don't care. I'm not trying to be funny when I'm saying this. I don't care what these soft-ass kids got to say about it being okay, because they don't judge the standards we do. That's what having OGs is for OGs let you know what the standard is and don't let you deviate from it.
Speaker 1:So I don't give a damn how many punk-ass kids come out talking about stuff. I'm so happy that he found peace, that nigga been peaceful the whole time. What the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 3:But Sean being realistic in the aspect that, like the fans of 2024, not going to care much, but I'm like I'm so happy for them. I'm so happy Yo hold on. We dropping like flies my phone on like 4% right now. We got 400 people in the room. Yo everybody, thank you for pulling up. I'm out to bow out. You know what I'm saying. If y'all want to keep the party going, keep the party going, man. This is crazy fun. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:But my phone about to die. Cool, Welcome aboard the team. Salute to you, brother. You know how many shows I done did with the supercharger plugged up so I didn't lose power Supercharger brother, it's the way to go.
Speaker 3:Hey, note it for next time. But you know what I'm saying, sean. You already know what it is. You, the homie. You know what I'm saying. This show's crazy fun, peace y'all. Thanks to the chat for pulling up.
Speaker 2:Peace. We can make a couple of declarations and get out of here as well. We can shout out to everybody for coming in tonight. This is one of those man. It was a lot to talk about. We still got a lot to talk about, I mean yeah, we're not done.
Speaker 1:I know we need to slide, but I do want to say this, man, this is what I mean about the power of a movement and the power of people. Now, this page has only existed for about a week and we only got about 250 subscribers, but that's about how many people have been in the room. So I've always been a quality over quantity type of guy. So shout out to the people pulling up for us today and showing that the quality matters. You know what I'm saying, because that's even reflective in the movement. It's like sometimes it's not about the numbers that you do, it's about the numbers that you do in relationship to how many people is actually following, absolutely. And so shout out to people for following us on the first show. This is just the first of many. We're building something great. I feel like I've already been here with you guys for years. You and me, you and me. We've been talking behind the scenes for over a year now you know what I'm saying me and todd's been talking for two years now.
Speaker 1:Me and AG. I mean AG used to be one of the main super chatters on my former show. You know what I'm saying. Low is you know, low is low. Low is, you know, low board. Low in a lot of respects is a legend in this space already you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. And so just his willingness to pull up Like he spars I mean not like I'm small time and not like you're small time, low spars with the big boys on the regular, and so the fact that he's yeah on the regular, and so just him. Pulling up is major Shout out to Taj for kind of like being the Phil Jackson of the team and putting you know Shaq and Kobe and Gary Payton and Karl Malone together Unlike them, niggas, we not going to fight.
Speaker 2:We going to the ring. You're gonna take it there? Yeah, because right now we have a. We have 411 right now on here, we got 616 on the radio and we got 454 on the other radio in denver. So we are. We are actually streaming through denver, florida, texas. Um, so shout out to blast music for also streaming us. Thank you to all of you guys for streaming us as well, and I want to do. I want to give a shout out to Blast Music for also streaming us.
Speaker 5:Thank you to all of you guys for streaming us as well, and I want to do.
Speaker 2:I want to give a shout out. Honestly. I saw Mace and Jarv in the chat as well. I want to give those brothers a shout out as well, because you know it's all about you know, some healthy competition, but it's also about collaborating as well, and we all get better when we sharpen our swords together, you know. I mean I think we have content that can be shared across board, that we all can jump on and have these kind of conversation, this discussion to bring hip hop back to its purest form. So I think this is a great movement. I think we are blessed to be able to come together you and I were talking about this for over a year just being able to finally get into the lab together and collaborate. Cool practice Again. I know in the beginning it was some confusion in the beginning, but I think confusion is always good for great discussion later on. I think this is a great time for all of us to be able to get together, put our heads together and build this thing all the way out. You know what?
Speaker 1:I mean. I mean, I mean no bullshit, and I say this in all sincerity. It's like it's competitive. But also understand, when I got silenced, they gave me an opportunity to speak because even though we're competitors much like me and you, they think about the competition fairly. You know what I'm saying. It's like no, we're going to dance. It's like this how about this?
Speaker 1:When Mobb Deep is making Hell on Earth, nas is making it Was Written. Have gave Nas some tracks, for it Was Written. Nas gave them some verses. They gave him some verses. It was still competitive between him and p, but they still collaborated. No doubt he put out a project.
Speaker 1:So it's like no, no, you know, we can be making. It was written. They can be making hell on earth. You know what I'm saying. And it's like oh no, the people get to decide and who got the bars and who spar? But we can spar against each other, but we can fucking get in the ring and collaborate. And who spar? But we can spar against each other, but we can fucking get in the ring and collaborate, make great joints together. We can make a live nigga rap.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Absolutely, we can make a give it up fast together. You know what I'm saying and so it's like I'm all for it. So shout out to them. I really don't appreciate, like, how some people carry them about my shit. Quite frankly, because that's my shit, no doubt you. I'm saying Like I don't care if somebody got a problem with me, but don't take issues with niggas. That's giving me a platform and an opportunity to speak my mind and speak my peace. So shout out to them for actually opening up the space and allowing me to do so, for better or for worse because they risked their reputation taking a hit to allow me to do that.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. No doubt we got the shit over here. I'll be honest with you, I'll hold that for another day. You know what I mean? We weren't even going to do the YouTube shit. We were going to hold back and just stay on the station. But we're here now. So, ron Young, I see you, you got my attention. That's all. Everybody. Peace, peace, rachel. Appreciate the love. I see you, you got my attention. We got to talk. Yo, everybody, peace, peace, rachel. I mean, appreciate the love. I see y'all, I'm gonna see y'all for a long time. I'm gonna just keep it like that. I'm gonna put my face. You know, I'm gonna put my face on the camera.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean yeah, niggas been talking crazy to me behind the scenes, but it's okay yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody to me behind the scenes, but it's okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody want. Don't talk crazy to me, I'm not that guy.
Speaker 1:I'm not that guy either. I don't even.
Speaker 2:yeah, I'm gonna leave it at that. I'm gonna leave it at that. Y'all don't know me. Queens, wolf, let's get it. Baby Queens, get the money. Cool, appreciate you, yo. Peace to everybody out there. We appreciate y'all. Shout out to the team Low, thanks for pulling up your AG. You know what it is. You know what it is, baby Gangsta, aka Animal Thug, you know Low. Cool Yo, we out of here, let's go. Peace, peace people.