EMERGENCY POD: We STILL got a lot to talk about as Drake "Pushups" and Ross Ross enters the conversation

EMERGENCY!!!  Strap in as Shawn, Coop and Adriel unbox the wrath and wit of rap battles, dissecting a leaked Drake diss track that's ignited the hip-hop arena. Feel the pulse of the community as we traverse the lyrical labyrinth, drawing parallels with historic feuds and contemplating the blend of personal and professional in these high-octane exchanges. Between the lines of Drake's verbal volleys, we examine the strategic play, the weight of revelations, and the regional loyalties that shape the stakes in this unforgiving chess game of rhythmic warfare.

As our conversation zooms from Twitter timelines to family ties, we peel back the layers of this unfolding saga. The episode becomes a crossroads of critical analysis and candid reflection, where the art of the diss is scrutinized alongside the echoes of Ice Cube's "No Vaseline" and the sharp strategies that have immortalized figures like J. Cole. We're not just breaking down bars; we're charting the evolution of hip-hop discourse, its resonance with fans, and the unpredictable dance of Drake's ongoing duel with Kendrick Lamar.

Woven through our exploration is a chorus of appreciation for those who fuel this journey—behind-the-scenes heroes, vocal guests, and you, our loyal listeners. As we forecast the next moves in this high-stakes game, our episode stands as a testament to the passion that powers hip-hop's heartbeat. This isn't just about the drama—it's about a community that lives for the love of the beat.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

yo peace. Gentlemen, this is adriel from hip-hop talks. I'm here with coop and the homie sean. You know we got a little bit more to talk about today. Hip-hop is unraveling in real time and we're here to tell you all about it. So just to jump it off, you know, I want to kind of time stamp this thing because we all remember where we were at and what we were doing when we heard some of the greatest diss tracks of all time. And we ain't jumping out the window saying that about this one yet, but it's truly an impactful one. So you know, just to kind of time stamp it a little bit, I'm gonna walk through what I was doing at the time and then I'm gonna pass it to the brothers.

Speaker 1: 0:37

But yesterday morning was crazy. Um sean hit me on my phone and sent me a few bars from you know what was to be a leaked Drake disc, and I hit him back that I didn't think it was real. So I went to YouTube, checked it out, and then, you know, we at the table you know what I'm saying about the breakfast, me and my kids and I'm listening to a snippet and I'm like, nah, I don't think it's real. So then, my son come in the kitchen and dining room and he's like yo, the track is out, you know, and I'm like nah, man, this ain't it, I think it's ai. And I didn't know he was listening to the full version and he was like, no, I think it's real. So then I put some headphones on and I tapped in and I was like yo, this vocal tone, because something about ai still be slightly off. You know, it sounds just like the artist, but something be slightly off about it. And then once I heard the vocal tone of Drake, I was like nah, this definitely got to be real.

Speaker 1: 1:32

So then our discord, sean, you know, the discord was on fire yesterday. Everybody posting stuff and everything was unraveling in real time. Everybody still, you know, kind of on the fence of it being AI, unraveling in real time. Everybody's still, you know, kind of on the fence of it being ai. And then when the confirmation came through from act, from academic stream, that it was in fact the real diss track that had leaked, so that was confirmation enough for me.

Speaker 1: 1:56

And then, um, you know, rory and maul on their podcast had referenced it a few days ago said drop and give me 50. So they had evidently heard the track. So, you know, somebody linked that in the chat and I was able to see that. Okay, if they're referencing the title of the track, then this is the real deal. So, you know, putting all the puzzle pieces together, it was a, it was a wild, you know time hearing that yesterday. And then the saga continued later after that when we got the second beat version, which is the official beat. So it was crazy. So what do y'all fellas think and what was y'all doing when y'all heard the tracks come through?

Speaker 2: 2:34

what up fam, what up ag, what up sean peace, peace, peace, yeah yeah, blessings this morning.

Speaker 2: 2:41

So yesterday was my daughter's prom, and so I'm literally running around with her and coordinating with her mother about prom shit, like all day, like, starting at like 11 o'clock in the morning, and so you know, we're on a thread together. Y'all were actually my tie-in because I'm at the nail shop, I'm at the beauty salon, I'm at the mall, in the department stores, grabbing all the last minute you know accessories and paying 200 for some damn nails and feet, which is ridiculous, you know I mean. So I'm out here on, I'm out here on dad time. I mean, like I was borderline, like it was making me Aggie, because it's like, you know, my daughter comes first. But I was like yo, I was like these niggas decided to be for my daughter's prom day and so, and you know, I mean, and my daughter, like you know, she's ahead by blood, not relation. You know what I'm saying. So I'm like yo, I'm like it's going down right now, sweetie. I was like, but it's all about you, that's dope, though.

Speaker 1: 3:51

You got to be a father first.

Speaker 2: 3:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, anybody knows me, I'm family oriented and I'm a father first.

Speaker 2: 3:57

But I really didn't get to listen and dissect the track until that night, until, like you know, we got done taking the pictures and she actually went off the prom. So when y'all see me on the thread like somebody send me the record, that's just because all I was getting was blurbs and snippets and it's like I'm in a mall, I'm in a nail salon, I couldn't really hear properly. So it wasn't until I was in the whip, headed to work about eight o'clock that I actually got to listen and start dissecting the track. And I didn't get to hear the track repeatedly until I got off of work. So it was like early in the morning before I was like so I'm on the way home from work doing my breakdown, so it's like I literally didn't catch it, catch it, catch it and really get to disseminate what was going on and being said by Drake and by Ross, to, like.

Speaker 2: 4:37

You know, I don't like to give away my in and out time, but it was. It was the wee hours. You know what I'm saying. It was the wee hours, you know what.

Speaker 3: 4:45

I'm saying, yeah, it was crazy because I told AG something was coming, because I was getting some information from some sources and I said I don't know when it's happening, but it's coming. I said, just be prepared. And we got to be on our P's and Q's when it happens Because I still was trying to figure out what was going on. There was a lot of information flowing. It was going in real time. I was getting messages like crazy back to back and I hit Coop in the chat. It was like yo, here's a diss record. And, like Coop said he was moving around himself, he was like yo, is this real? I'm like you're still trying to figure it out, trying to figure it out. Then I hit ag y'all, I'm like here are some lyrics. I think this is real. We thinking this ai at one point. And then information start flowing a little bit more and then I said, well, let's just hold tight and let's see what happens.

Speaker 2: 5:35

and the next thing you know, boom, here we go, you're back into it well, you know what actually got me excited for it was actually, you know, we're on the thread. Shout out to Andrew and mirror music. I mean those who follow me and follow Andrew and mirror music. No, andrew's an English teacher for high school students and so he deals with AI. You know what I'm saying Because it's part of his world and the AI technology and stuff being written through AI, and so when he he made a very poignant statement in our thread when he was like well, ai is usually not this detailed.

Speaker 3: 6:10

Right.

Speaker 2: 6:11

And that's when I was like, oh, that's real, because that is professionally what he does to make a living and provide for his family. And so when somebody like it's different for somebody to just give an abstract opinion, it's like, no, that's professionally the world he resides in and his critical breakdown of it early on is like, oh, this is a little bit too detailed to be AI. Yeah, absolutely yeah. So when he said that so you know, I'm still running around with baby girl but when he said that is when my ears kind of perked up because it's like I know how my man talk.

Speaker 2: 6:39

I've known him since we was 15 years old. He don't jump out the window and say stuff like that. He's probably the most cautious and pragmatic dude that I know. You know what I'm saying. So when he's like, nah, this is a little bit too detailed to be AI, it got me excited because it gave me confirmation. But then I was like, oh, he must really be saying some stuff on this record, this person gave it the stamp and shout out to Andrew by the way, yeah, shout out to Andrew Just real quick.

Speaker 2: 7:06

And people need to understand this because I've already been seeing, like I said, I've seen more of the tea leaves than I've heard the records until a few hours ago. There are no rules in battle guys. There are no rules to engagement. This isn't like hip hop. Battling isn't chess in the sense that there's not a set of rules that you have to follow.

Speaker 2: 7:26

The thing about battling in hip hop is that it's all fair game. When I make my tennis analogies, where we're hip hop and tennis like differ is that there's a set of rules that come with tennis, like there's literally lines on the court that you have to stay in to put the ball in play. Hip hop don't work that way. And so everybody feeling like oh well, you know why I say this about his shoe size and why he say this. It's like because there's no rules and it's just the mark of like a softer generation to me, quite frankly, that they don't understand. It is like oh no, you bringing up people's wives, people's shoe size, like it's fair game, it's whatever. Like go listen to no, vaseline, it doesn't get more, whatever than that. I agree.

Speaker 1: 8:10

Coop, the thing that you know, to kind of piggyback off that, what I was seeing on Twitter yesterday and in our Discord group, a lot of people let the joe button podcast gas them a little bit too much. I believe you know I'm saying with the whole nuclear statement because I've seen a lot of tweets and uh comments go out well, this is a cool, but it's not nuclear. And I was starting to think, you know, I don't think he meant in a literal sense, because joe always talks about rapper brain, rapper brain or whatever, and I think he might have heard some of the record or heard what was said, and once he knew that Kendrick's wife with the double entendre, with the Whitney thing was a mention. All bets are off now and it's up. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 9:01

I think that's what he meant about the nuclear aspect, like where it's going to go from here, it's up. You know what I mean. I think that's what he meant about the nuclear aspect, like where it's going to go from here. It's up, you know, because in nuclear warfare somebody got to drop the first nuke, right, drop the first bomb. And I think that's what he meant and I think, if people are delving too literally into it saying, well, this is not an end-all, be-all nuclear this. But I don't think they, you know, really saw the force for the trees, if that makes sense.

Speaker 3: 9:26

Well, I think that's go ahead, sean. No, I would say I agree with that because I don't think the nuclear I think nuclear part is Drake responding to everybody, period. I don't think it's so much as what he said, I'm just saying that he's addressing it. This is more of a setup. When he did charge up, this was more so saying I'm ramp, more so saying I'm ramping up for you guys, I'm ramping up for you, meek, just be prepared. This was more of a ramp up. This is not like the nuclear bomb. This is the ramp up, I think, with Drake. I'm not sorry, drake.

Speaker 3: 9:53

What Joe was trying to express was he's addressing everybody, including you, kendrick. This is the first time that we really got familiar with Drake and Kendrick going at each other directly and back and forth. So I'm going to throw it back to you, coop, because I know you had something to say on that as well, because I want to touch back up on that. It's a bait trap. I'm bringing all of y'all out now. I'm going to clear the forest a little bit because I'm focusing on Kendrick. Kendrick, don't get it twisted. Kendrick is still the target. He is still the target. He is still a target, but I still have to address all these other elements before I get to kendrick. I'm tapping you, kendrick, and let you know I hear you, I see you, I got something for you. But let me clear the forest a little bit to get directly to you wait, no, no, no, I totally agree.

Speaker 2: 10:37

So here's, here's what he really did like. First of all and I meant this when I said this like in the promo ad, it's like nah, like Drake is a head's head. So it's like he's shown us in the past with his past beefs, because he's the only one of all these guys that's really been in like some beefs, other than like the Ross 50 thing. Like I said, man, he moved this tracks the way Noah moved birds into the arc by the two. So what people need to understand is that this isn't the body blow, this is the jab. Like, this is the jab. This isn't a right cross, this isn't a hook, this is an uppercut. This isn't him trying to land a power punch and get the knockout. This is literally the jab to set up the real punch. Like what do is is like.

Speaker 2: 11:25

So I reference boxing on here a lot and I reference ali. Part of what made ali the greatest boxer of all time is the jab, because ali would kill you with the jab and break you down for four, five, six rounds and then he would start swinging on you like when that jab done, when that jab then got your face a little swole when you done had to put your arms up so many times that now your arms are a little bit more tired because that jab is so heavy and his arms are so long and that jab is so stiff. About round five or six is when he starts taking his his shots at you, and so this is more Drake using that jab like boom, boom, boom, and he on his Oprah shit is what I feel like, is it? And this is where it's really the setup.

Speaker 2: 12:07

The kendrick is the focus, but he's on his oprah shit like you can get a diss, you can get a diss, you can get a diss, you can get a diss. And I think he's setting it up because he really feels like now also, too, he kind of pulled their card in a street way that people need to understand where he made it and he literally bought it to the light. He's like well, y'all ganging up on me and when, as soon as he said that, I'm like he might have a diss record for each one of these guys, yeah, so it's like no, no, there's probably a kendrick diss in the can, there's a ross diss in the can and there's probably a future and metro diss in the can, and there might even be a cold diss in the can, in the can. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3: 12:50

let's tell y'all thursday I say cole, gotta take a shot from him as well. Pause and cool, I'm gonna raise your oprah um analogy and raise. But frankly, saying, body, body, body, body, everybody. You know I mean because you're right, at the end of the day, everybody got to get touched. Pause, even you, cole. You came out here and you did what you did. Now I got to let you know you're a little homie, get back a little bit, you know I mean he said I don't care what he say yeah, I'm glad he said that yeah, I mean it.

Speaker 2: 13:23

It had some shades of no vaseline because there aren't too many dis dis records you know, where the artist actually vacillates in the mentioning multiple, multiple people. You know I'm saying like no, vaseline is the only other dis record I can think of where it's like no, you're gonna get a shot yeah, dray rin you're gonna get a shot.

Speaker 2: 13:43

Yeah, dre Wren, you're gonna get a shot. Okay, easy, you're gonna get a shot. And your man, the boss Heller, he's gonna get a shot too. So it has the makings of a good disc record. Here's what the problem is with the disc record. It's us, it's the media, because the media right is so. It's so microwave and so quick to jump on things and to amp things up instead of letting it actually play out.

Speaker 2: 14:06

The response to this track would be totally different if mal and rory and joe would have just said nothing. Like they would have said nothing, the effects would be greater. Because there's some shots on here that are actually like oh, oh no, like that's some ID Claire war type of stuff. Like when you pretty much saying that somebody is getting jerk for they publishing and rap. Oh no, that's personal.

Speaker 2: 14:32

When you pretty much saying you're getting extorted by the dude who really, you know, I mean runs your camp and runs Compton, and here's the really the coldest shot that he threw that people aren't realizing. He pretty much told them like remember when jay told noz, like I got more shooters in cleans bridge than you, that was the shot on that record for me, like he kind of like took a page out of jay's book from that regret. He's like man, I got more of a squad in compton than you do and and, truthfully, anybody who knows how this game works like from the back end, in terms of how the streets run, it's like well. What he's really saying is what we already know Well, yg and the game are the men in Compton that the city get behind.

Speaker 2: 15:14

You know what I'm saying public perception, but in real time, yg and the game of the game are the ones that compton, like the city and the people from compton actually get behind because they embody compton more than he does. And so that was the subtle shot that I thought was the biggest shot, because if you know the behind the scenes, you know it's like well, yg and game got more respect than compton kendrick's, only bigger in the in the media perceptions eyes as far as being the rapper from Compton that everybody know in the city, it's YG and game yeah, the kind of uh, piggyback off that cool you cooking right now, bro, um, and the premise of the record, the whole drop and give me 50.

Speaker 1: 15:55

I think a lot of that went over a lot of people's heads with the whole publishing thing. You know I'm saying you're gonna drop and do it. You know, basically top is slaving them out, you're gonna drop and do whatever I tell you to do it and I'm going to get 50 percent of that. Like the line where he was, like Maroon 5, they need a track, they need a feature, the Swifties need a feature. You can go over there and do that and then you want to drop and give me 50.

Speaker 1: 16:16

I think you know that was over a lot of people's heads and it was hilarious. And the premise of that itself is even funny, because I think Drake is pointing out like I'm supposed to be the pop guy but if Top Tell you to go over here and do these pop features, then you're going to do that and you're going to drop and give me 50. But you're supposed to be the pure quote, unquote hip hop artist, right? So I think you know a lot of people missed out on that. But the other thing, cooper, I'm glad you brought up Novaseline addressing different people in the diss. The only other one that I can think of that was real surgical, like at Real Efficient dissing many people was Nas on the Stillmatic Freestyle you know rip through Memphis with money bags and go to Philly eat beans fast.

Speaker 2: 17:04

You know what I'm saying? That whole scheme. He did Get a cheeseste, philly, eat beans fast. You know what I'm saying? That whole scheme. He did Get a cheesesteak and eat beans fast.

Speaker 1: 17:07

Yeah, get a cheesesteak and eat beans fast. That like whole scheme, like he went through the whole rock. But the way Ice Cube did it On no Vaseline was like surgical. But I think I was going back and forth with people In our Discord group the other day and no Vaseline is you was talking about boxing. No vaseline is the only disc record that I can think of.

Speaker 1: 17:28

When it was over after the first round and coop, you touched on it being a microwave society. To me it seems like these cats don't even want rounds, no more. They expected drake to come out. Drop a bomb on everybody didn't just be done and over with. And they want to see. You remember we all used to get the tyson fights back in the day on pay-per-view out. Drop a bomb on everybody, then it'd just be done and over with. And they want to see. You remember we all used to get the Tyson fights back of the day on pay-per-view and get pissed off because Tyson then knocked the cat out in the first round, in the first you know minute and a half. We want to see some sparring back and forth. We want to see some rounds, but I think today's society don't want to see that and I can't think of no other battle in history where it was done after you know, technically one round. I mean.

Speaker 2: 18:08

Correct me if I'm wrong, but no vaseline is all I can think of I mean, I mean yeah, I mean I told people like I put no vaseline slightly ahead of ether at this stage because it ended. Nwa ether didn't end, jwa Ether didn't end, jay Like it didn't. There was still some back and forth and some sparring to be done and Jay still became Jay. No Vaseline literally broke up the quote unquote most dangerous rap group in the world. That was a multi-platinum rap group. In times where cats wasn't even really going gold like that, these dudes were multi-platinum, so they had the critical acclaim and the streets and he dismantled them. And so for people expecting a no vaseline ether takeover of the bitching you level record, well, much like all-time great rap albums, all-time great discs, don't like grow on trees guy, they don't come around like, like, like with the frequency and the fervor that we'd like. Now I do have like an insightful point that I'd like to make about like, maybe projecting this battle a little bit and I want to gauge your thoughts. All these dudes going at drake, their biggest issue is actually the fact that he's already been in so many battles as opposed to them, and so and it's so more battle tested than all of them that he has tons more to say about him, about them, than they have to say about him, because he's already been dissected by multiple guys who operate in the battle rap spear on a high level. Like it's going to be hard to say something about this man that pusha t hasn't already been saying for the past decade. Like that's, that's one thing about this. So we need to think about it from the perspective of his life. Well, part of how pusha t won the battle against drake was because a he didn't let up, so he kept on doing multiple business, uh, multiple disses. But it was the insightfulness, the critical breakdown, the exposing of his inner workings and his personal life that tipped the scales in the battle, because before he was just coming off as the angry rapper that wasn't using moving enough units in public perception until he exposed some of drake's personal life. Well, the personal life has already been exposed. Button's already done it, common's done it, pusha T did it extremely well multiple times, especially with Infrared and Story of Adidon. Them numbers ain't real without inflation. Like he's already broken down. It was written like Nas but it came from Quentin. He's already done the ghostwriting shots. He's already exposed the hidden child and so, in battle, part of what makes the battle work and makes it shocking and part of where no vaseline work was.

Speaker 2: 20:51

Oh, none of us knew that easy and jerry was fucking them dudes over like that. We didn't know that's what made it so powerful. What are these dudes gonna say about drake that we don't already know, guys? That's why and he said it, the kendrick he was like remember the little dm comment he made? And he was like this is light work. This is just a little bit of what I know. That's him letting them know I know more, way more about you that the people don't know. Then y'all are gonna say about me because I'm the biggest star, I've already been exposed and I've already been in battle multiple times. So these guys are really, you know, they need to be. Do not bark. Do not bark at that tree, that tree don't make me bring the demon out.

Speaker 1: 21:32

Yeah, at the end he has something else. This is a jab.

Speaker 2: 21:36

Like you said, it's a jab and here's the last thing and I'm gonna let y'all back in. Here's another thing that we need to think about and I said this on the last show. Well, he is responsible for a lot of these guys hits record, like when he starts off the record talking about I handed you your first number one. Well, he's not lying when he said that. Right, kendrick's second single out of Good Kid Mad City is Poetic Justice. That was the big quote, unquote hit of the album. Think about how many hits Ross has on his album that have a Drake feature. Drake don't got Ross features on his albums. This big hits. It's the other way around. Metro and future and Drake did a whole fucking album together. But who's the star of the album in the mind of the people?

Speaker 1: 22:21

that could be applied a lot of ways, but what I'm seeing is that line was mainly for future, for that way too sexy record. That was future's first number one. He's gonna literally put it in his hand pause, by the way. So but um, but uh, sean, I'll let you go first. Um, you know I'm saying uh, reply to coop's comments no, no, I agree with coop.

Speaker 3: 22:42

I think that Drake is not throwing his out here just to say this is a one and done. This is a setup. Drake has more on these guys. The industry talked too much. There's too many intertwines, right, these guys have all collaborated in some capacity for years. You don't think he knows enough. You don't think someone in Kendrick's old camp hasn't shared information with Drake that he's probably holding on to. You don't think these guys are all pillow talk. They all talk to each other.

Speaker 3: 23:08

So Drake is not going to jump out here and go at someone like Kendrick or all of these guys, for the fact of the matter, without knowing that he has something else in his possession. Same thing he did with Meek. He had information on where Meek was like, really in a tough spot. He knew that. He knew Meek was compromised. He knew that. He knew he was compromised. He knew in some capacity. Kendrick is also compromised, so he's not going to just throw that out there, knowing that Kendrick can come back with something else. The thing about it is fellas. We have to understand this.

Speaker 3: 23:34

Everyone has thrown any bar you can think of at Drake, whether it was directly or indirectly. They shot many shots at him for the past several years. Pusha was more surgical because he broke it down piece by piece, layer by layer. So now, when you go that route, like kook said, you go that route. What more can I say at this point? Because drake is going to take all of those things and he's making fun of himself in some. In some points he's actually took it and put a spin on it because he's very witty. We don't give drake enough credit for being as witty as he is. Because he's taking all those shots, pulls, he absorbs them and he throws it right back out, piece by piece. He'll make fun of himself in his own song and directly make a shot at somebody else. To me, that's a very good strategist.

Speaker 2: 24:20

To point that out.

Speaker 2: 24:21

Part of what made Back to back such an epic diss track was his ability to laugh at himself and flip it when he said oh you getting bodied by a singer nigga when he said that I was, when he said that I was like this battle's over because now, because now he's saying, because what he did on that record is he proved it's like well, I'm gonna say it about myself before you say it about me. He took the power from me when he did that the eminem eight mile approach, the b rabbit approach.

Speaker 1: 24:52

Yeah, he, um he he had. He alluded to something like that on this one. He said y'all will make me chip a nail.

Speaker 2: 24:58

You heard that one yeah, like that's, that's him letting, that's him letting them know. It's like, yeah, I'm somewhere on a plane getting a manicure while I'm writing this record. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 25:10

I'm going to play devil's advocate a little bit, though, because you know Drake. He really, in the ways that you spoke about Coop and Sean, he does have the upper hand because everything has been said about him already. But just looking at people's reactions yesterday, I think he's in a tough place to win and I think this is going to be an uphill battle for him, no matter what he comes out. And that's for two reasons like he was very surgical and you know this and everybody you know about five people in a four minute diss track, right. But I see a lot of talk, especially on Twitter, saying, well, he should have focused solely on Kendrick, you know, and it would have been, you know, more effective.

Speaker 1: 25:54

Okay, so you got a group of people saying that, but if he doesn't address those other people, like Metro, future Ross at all, then you got a segment of people saying the Kendrick, this is okay, but he didn't address everybody else. So it's like a lose lose situation and with Drake it's really unbalanced scales, you know. So that makes me beg the question the people that's pulling for Kendrick in this battle seem to hold Drake to a higher standard. And do you subconsciously think Drake is better? Because Drake said in the bars y'all make excuses for him, right.

Speaker 3: 26:31

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:32

So when Kendrick drops something, it tends to be overly inflated and this is I'm a Kendrick fan, but the vast majority overinflated. The like, that joint was just a verse. And then when Drake drops, drops, people tend because of who he is, his persona, who the messenger is, they tend to downplay it. So these two guys going head to head, if one is overblown and one is downplayed, then I don't see how drake can come on top of that whole situation, because you know, whatever Kendrick come out with, because there's people out there that really believe the like, that singular verse is better than this whole Drake song.

Speaker 1: 27:12

You know, that's just not true, I don't agree with it either, but that's what I. That's the temperature I got on Twitter yesterday.

Speaker 2: 27:20

Yeah, Like AG, if we were to like to critically analyze this, like, like, if we were to critically analyze this, like if we were to use the literary devices involved and actually give it a formal critical breakdown and look at the double entendres, the metaphors, the similes, the actual format of how he's rapping. It's far superior to the Kendrick record. People just want Kendrick to win. Like I've said this multiple times, like Kendrick's verse on Control is probably the most overrated verse of all time. It's not even the best fucking verse on the song. Jay Electronica's verse is better on Control.

Speaker 3: 27:55

Yes.

Speaker 2: 28:00

And so the public, we, the hip-hop public, have tended and I'm guilty of this too, just like you, ag we've always wanted Kendrick to win more than we've wanted Drake to win, because, quite frankly, drake came into this game winning real big and Ross kind of subtly addressed it, kind of making it seem like, well, it's like you kind of came in this game on Lil Wayne back. It's like well, yeah, it's like you kind of came in this game on Jay's back back.

Speaker 1: 28:25

It's like, well, yeah, it's like you kind of came in this game on jay's back, so but jay's the past wayne, we gotta call it what it is, you know in terms of what?

Speaker 2: 28:29

because I find wayne to be the superior mc.

Speaker 1: 28:31

No, he's a superior mc but stardom and notoriety and all that stuff. Like you know, kind of like you know where? Jay is a far better mc than kanye, but kanye surpassed him as far as stardom you you see what I'm saying Like on that regard.

Speaker 2: 28:44

Yeah, but in both instances, like I have Wayne and Jay higher all time still than. I have Drake in. Yeah, absolutely, I do too.

Speaker 1: 28:53

And I'm glad you brought up Ross because, to my point about how everybody downplays Drake, the same people that were saying like oh his diss is whack. He bringing up my man shoe size size seven. Fast forward to some hours later when ross called drake white boy like seven times at the end of the end of the track.

Speaker 1: 29:10

They're gassing that and I'm like people are not. You know, I'm saying keeping it objective and balanced, like you know what I mean. They saying drake corny for bringing up kendrick being small in stature, and then you know, ross calling them white boys all of a sudden.

Speaker 2: 29:23

No, I mean what's the difference between um drake, you know, bringing up kenny shoe size and smaller stature than you know naz, using stuff like dick, sucking lips on ether or calling him, or calling jay a tie boho. What's the difference? Right, you see, like it's, sometimes it's about where the information is coming from, and people already have the messenger.

Speaker 1: 29:46

Yeah, they already.

Speaker 2: 29:48

We're all human beings. We have preset biases, whether we want to admit it or not. And so one thing that we need to do about this battle because there are preset biases that are aligned with both Drake and Kendrick specifically is to not let those biases run the battle and make it about the actual raps, like it's about the rhymes, it's about how you put it together. It is about, well, who lands the harder shots and the blows. You know what I'm saying? Like, let's keep it at that. Let's not make it about who you want to win, let's not make it about who should win. Let's make it about we got to treat it like a real boxing scorecard. It's like, well, who's actually winning the fight? Who actually won this round? If you're asking me who won this round so far, it's Drake. It's Drake because the hardest thing Kendrick said is ain't no big three, it's just the big me. Oh, no, drake, talking about you getting extorted by top is way stronger than that.

Speaker 1: 30:41

But people keep moving the goalposts, coop and a lot. I mean I just think that they're trying to stack the deck against drake. I've even seen a lot of people say, well, the drake, this record doesn't count as much because it's not on dsps. He didn't officially release it and I'm like we're from the mixtape era. How does that matter? Even if you remember back to Dupie, dupie never made his way on DSPs, it was on SoundCloud, ovo SoundCloud, and it was on YouTube, right. So why would it have to officially be on DSPs to be quote unquote, better than the previous diss track? You know what I mean this. To me this warrants a response from Kendrick Round one. Kendrick had like that Drake had this song addressing him. The ball's in Kendrick's court. To me he has come out with a full-on diss track to drink period.

Speaker 2: 31:34

Well, I mean, we can't. You know we got to eat the fruit from the tree that's provided to us. We can't go like trying to find a new tree at this point in the game. Like the bitch in you wasn't on any common albums. The stillmatic freestyle isn't on any nas albums. We had to find that shit through mixtapes and through the djs playing it on late night mixes, and so not all disses are created the same in terms of how the record is broken. Is Drop A Gym on them on Hell On Earth. Is no Vaseline on Death Certificate? It's like, yeah, but for every no Vaseline there's a the Bitch In you. You know what I'm saying. For every Drop A Gym on them, there's a Stillmatic freestyle, so it doesn't have to make the album. It doesn. On them there's a stillmatic freestyle, so it doesn't have to make the album it doesn't have to make ugly wasn't on a certain platform.

Speaker 2: 32:19

Yeah, I mean, but they were playing super ugly on the radio though, right I think this era just doesn't.

Speaker 1: 32:25

I don't know. Like I said, I think they're just stacking the deck against drake and looking for any excuse, and that's one thing that I was hearing a lot yesterday that because he didn't officially drop it, that he's scared, or doing a temperature check to see what the fans think first, and it's not official, um, but to that point, what do you guys think about the beat comparison, the first beat and then the official, because even a lot of even reason from td uh tweeted about the uh, the official beat being hard. So what, what are y'all's takes on that? Which version did you like better?

Speaker 3: 32:57

I mean the final version, of course, is the right version. I think in the beginning, when it was, when we had like that first rollout and people thought it was A-Yah, of course it sounded a little scruffy. I like the who Kid intro more than anything else. I think we're forgetting about the. Who Kid intro. Because that who Kid intro give us that, that call back to the mistape era when it was really young and I can't, I don't think that that was calculated, that's not like just an accident small aesthetics.

Speaker 3: 33:25

It's a small aesthetics and attention to detail is what gets me the most, because when you specifically go to whoop kid and you drop it this way, that whoop kid signature sound, that's letting you know we're in this era. Right now you look at the billboard that's saying hip-hop is a competitive sport. He's letting you know this is what I'm about to do, this is what I'm doing. So I think honestly, ag, the beat, the AI, all that fodder, I don't care about that. I'm talking about the aesthetic approach that he took when it came to all of this. And I want to go back to what something Coop said earlier, because I want to compare this and also what you said, ag, about. You know they want to get Drake up out of here.

Speaker 3: 34:02

Think about when Ja was going up against everybody at that time, when Ja was going up against 50 and then Busta tagged in, eminem tagged in, dre tagged in. Everyone started going at Ja. He tried his best to pull up out of that and start dissing everybody and it fell on deaf ears. No matter what John would have said during that time, it wouldn't have mattered. He was already done. The public had already made a consensus that they want him up out of here and he was going to be a juggernaut. That's what Drake is going up against, and he's still holding his own regardless is going up against and he's still holding his own regardless.

Speaker 2: 34:37

Yeah, well, respect, well, respectfully, because and and I've always liked john I actually feel like john doesn't get the proper credit he deserved because of how that battle played out. But he did himself a disservice by focusing too much on those r&b inspired records with the female on the hook and like like that's where he hurt himself. So he left himself open for that because he wasn't exercising what I like to call the petty hip-hop fundamentals that make you a good battle. Mc drake doesn't have those issues. Drake does what jaw does on record, but he also does the petty type of shit that a great mc and a great battler do. Like he is, he is off the Jay-Z and Nas tree in the sense that it's like oh no, he's petty. You know what I'm saying? He's petty and he'll throw shots at you.

Speaker 2: 35:23

And the problem was was that I feel like Jaws camp at the time was telling him oh no, no, no, no, no, don't pay them niggas. No, making these hits. It's like no nigga address it, because that's what drake does every time. Like, every time somebody steps to drake, he addresses it, because if you don't address it, it's just sean ag. Y'all know this. It's just like, like, like rap works like the streets in this regard. Well, if you just let a nigga say something about you and you don't go handle that situation, what the nigga gonna keep on doing? He gonna keep on coming at you and then the neighborhood gonna get behind him and then other niggas gonna be like well, let me go and take a shot at him too, since it's free bands out here exactly, yeah, you know and so and so drake doesn't open himself up to that.

Speaker 2: 36:08

That's what I mean when I'm saying he's got old school rapper tendencies. He doesn't open himself up to that type of exposure. If you say something about him, he is going to say something back to you and one way or another one way or another.

Speaker 1: 36:20

Like you may take some time, like like, I think the only time that he took some time was the push of t thing, but that's because push of t was taking it somewhere and I think it kind of caught him off guard a little bit, but he still responded, he's gonna respond, he's gonna respond in kind but to sean's point, I like what he's doing aesthetically with it because he's very calculated and on his ig post, like kill bill is one of my favorite movies of all time, like you know, with, uh, beatrix kiddo, like with the sword, with all the you know I'm saying ninjas around her and all that. Like he's letting y'all know visually, aesthetically, like this is what I'm up against and I'm still about to take everybody out. You know what I mean.

Speaker 3: 36:58

Exactly Because, think about it, guys, everyone going at him is proving his point. It's going to take all of you to get at one me. Like I said, one versus 20.

Speaker 1: 37:12

But is he in a place we've never seen before, because he is the top guy. There's no question about that. But, like I said earlier, I think he's coming from an underdog perspective too, because people want him to lose so much and gas everything Kendrick does and I say that as a Kendrick fan. I never think we saw a situation where a guy was the top guy and the underdog all at the same time. Do you all agree or disagree?

Speaker 3: 37:35

It's different, it's different, it's different. I'll be honest it's different.

Speaker 2: 37:38

Yeah, yeah, it is, it is.

Speaker 2: 37:41

I mean, here's the other thing that we have to realize too, and I've really been trying to think about this Never in hip-hop have other stars of rival stature as in like, may not be in the top spot that Drake is in, but are in the relative sphere A Ross, a Future, a Kendrick Never have once all of those guys at the same time conspired against one guy.

Speaker 2: 38:11

This actually, for as crazy as it seems, has the opportunity to change drake's legacy and actually elevate him even further, because if he gives all of these dude a fade and he wins, we have to slide him farther up our real hip-hop sphere, not that public opinion rolling stone stuff that he's already high on and top 10 on. No, if he fades these guys, we have to have legitimate top 10 conversation about him, because he will have done something that nobody of his stature has ever been faced against and done and accomplished, and so this is a potential legacy building moment, just about the level of dudes that's conspiring against him and where it's coming from. These ain't like this, ain't like when, like jo felony is taking shots at j j. We all knew jo felony wasn't like you know what I'm saying like no, this is future. This is k dot, this is ross, this is some, these are some hitters coming at him and so if they all catch

Speaker 2: 39:11

the drink of julius caesar e2, bruti e2 yeah yeah so if he, if he, if he hands out some l's to these dudes, it's like no, and he hands the l's out at the same time, no, we have to look at him differently. Then we do need to have a conversation about well, is he better than wayne? Because, let's be honest, like pusha t was dissing wayne for years too, and wayne never really did nothing about it. You know what I'm saying. Like there have been other dudes that have sat where drake sat and Pusha T was dissing Wayne for years too, and Wayne never really did nothing about it. You know what I'm saying. Like there have been other dudes that have sat where Drake sat, and I can't think of one of them that had to deal with three guys like this at the same time.

Speaker 2: 39:46

And the guy producer wise a lot of people think is the best producer or beat maker of this era Like that's a lot to go up against and get a W. So if he gets this W, we up against and get a W. So if he gets this W, we need to look at him differently in hip-hop terms, not in pop culture terms, because he's already there in terms of real-life hip-hop shit. When we talk about the Jays, the Nas, the Big, the Pac, the Ice Cube, the Scarface, the Chuck D, the LL, the Kane. No, we need to have that conversation about him if he accomplishes this, because he will literally have done something that hasn't been done before and he'd be doing it from the number one spot. It's kind of like I mean, I was. I mean, I was kind of like you know, I'm a Godfather fan. It's very comparable to Michael Corleone consolidating his power in the Godfather one.

Speaker 1: 40:30

If he pulls this off, it's like nope, everybody about to catch a bullet while I'm at this, christening, yeah uh oh, I like how you brought up the metro, how he's going at the number one producer, because metro really kind of jumped this whole thing off. Man, my son showed me all the uh twitter comments on metro's page. Man, they was going hard at metro, everybody telling them like, are you playing some drums?

Speaker 2: 40:51

like hey, hey, somebody in the comments I just got a comment on this like somebody said tupac did this on against all odds, like first of all, understand that was more personal than this. Like that had to do with personal things going on and jay-z and naz and all them at the time wasn't running around taking shots at at pock. The only, the only people that really took a shot at pock like a verifiable we talking about you niggas shot while Pac was here is Mob Deep on Drop A Gym on him. The rest of them dudes, was not talking that shit to Pac, so that's not an accurate statement that you make, fam.

Speaker 1: 41:28

I'm glad you brought up that era Coop. You know what I mean Because I saw somebody comment in the chat earlier that me and you get giddy over anything. But that's one thing that I was kind of wanting to know because a lot of things I've been seeing on Twitter yesterday, you know, to us the 40 and up crowd, a lot of people's like, well, this is a light pack, it really ain't all that. Whatever, you know what I mean. Compared to you know the ether takeover day, second round, ko LL and all that. I'm the aspect. I'm just happy to be back in this space with hip-hop again where it's competitive you know what I mean even if it's not on the level of what we're used to. This hasn't happened in a long time, probably since pusha t and drake, which was, you know, a handful of years ago or more. So you know how do y'all feel about the space that we're in now. I'm just happy to be getting it. I mean I'm proud. Dad Listen, my son was in shambles yesterday because he's like commenting in the Discord.

Speaker 1: 42:24

He's pacing around the house with his hands on his head like getting mad at people's comments. I'm like dog welcome to my world. Because when I was in college. I'm about to square up and fight, you know, true friends of mine over the Jay-Z Nas beef and that's wild to even say as an adult. You know, fighting over another grown man that I don't even know, but that's what it was back then. You know what I'm saying. So you know, we was going hard, champion going hard and champion our favorite artists and getting upset because we're passionate about this hip hop thing, right. So my son is in that stage now where he's dissecting lyrics. We, you know, going through like oh, this bar was a double entendre, blah, blah, blah. So I'm just happy we're back here, regardless if it's not on the level of what it was back in the day, but I think a lot of people are downplaying it on that. You know whole aspect. So what do you guys feel about that? I?

Speaker 3: 43:16

I'm torn, I'll be honest with you, because I think this is great for hip hop, but we keep talking about what's personal and what's competitive. When we had a chance to live through, we all you know, same age group. We all live through the bridge wars, we live through the park wars, we live through the J Nas. Even X has some stuff, some static with Jay right. All of those rhymes were interwoven in some personal things. It was personal on a intimate level and it was personal on a competitive level. When you say I'm number one, you really meant that it wasn't just for banter, it wasn't for the public, it wasn't for social media. I think this time around we're looking at this, I'm sitting back looking at the social media takes on it and to me, I think the social media takes is as loud, if not on the same level, as the disc records themselves, because in live time people are responding, reacting as opposed to digesting and processing what's being said. People were talking about the song less than five minutes since it was out. Can you even process a record that fast? You know what I mean when we heard. I tell you guys, I told Coop this behind the scenes about a year ago when I was in Newport News, virginia Bad News, virginia in 2001,. That's when the night that Ether dropped, I was in a club. When Ether dropped, everybody stopped. The DJ said, yo, I got something for y'all. We just got the drop for Nas Ether. We didn't know what he was talking about. Everyone stopped and we got close to the DJ booth because we wanted to hear every single word. He played Ether like 10 to 15 times back to back. This is in a club in Newport News, virginia. Everything stopped. No one had a reaction. They listened. No one said anything. They listened.

Speaker 3: 45:13

Right now, you look at today's social media. Everyone has something to say. We're talking about. Is this ai or not? Is the beat sound good or not? It's so much going, it's so much noise in the background, as opposed to us really dissecting what's being said and who was being aimed at. And I'm gonna end it like this I'm gonna pass it to you kook. I told I hit AJ up on a message. I said, yo, we got to be careful about Rick Ross. He's the wild card because Ross can't take it.

Speaker 3: 45:42

About an hour later, here comes the Ross diss. I say that to say this the appetite for that hip hop that we went through, the era that we went through it was there. We was anticipating what the other person is going to say. As opposed to over projecting, I think right now, the social media is over projecting everything that's happening right now. That's just my opinion, but you got food I agree with you.

Speaker 2: 46:06

I'm going to take it a step further and piggyback off your sentiment, if I may, because this is what I mean about, like the media. Part of the reason why, when you was in bad news, they played ether 10 or 15 times is because the dj understood. Nas is the star of this show. I'm just a conduit. You know what I'm saying. I'm just transferring the information for the star.

Speaker 2: 46:32

Because of how social media works now and because of the way media works, everybody wants to be a fucking star. Now we need to let the stars be stars and do what they do, and we need to fall back and do what we do, which is disseminate the information and let it play out. But everybody wants to be a star, so bad that everybody has to be the first to it. Everybody has to be the one oh, it's nuclear, that and the other. Instead of just letting the stars be stars and that's what's going on let's let future and Metro and Ross and Kendrick and Drake be the stars that they are, and then let's provide our commentary. That's how it used to work. That's what made these moments big. That's how you get ether playing in the club and bad news 10 straight times Cause the DJ understands.

Speaker 2: 47:25

No, nas is the star of this show. I'm just the motherfucking DJ that's fortunate enough to drop it tonight in this club and leave it at that. Yeah, I got to go in a second. Guys. We have club and leave it at that. Yeah, I gotta go in a second guys. Do we have any final comments? Or do y'all want to slide for a second?

Speaker 1: 47:41

and let me slide oh, coop, I had a question for you because you're, you're the uh, when tapping into these um lyrics, um, because I know you're a prince guy, did you, um, hear the prince double entendre? That drake laced with that, that was tough, you know, because what's a Prince to a King? It's a son. You know what I mean? Michael Jackson, king of pop, his son, literally name, is Prince. You know what I'm saying. So that double entendre was crazy.

Speaker 2: 48:08

That's what I mean, that this is what I'm saying when I'm saying, no, drake does old school rapper stuff like take shots and use his metaphors and double entendres while he's doing it and actually flips the stuff that the previous rapper said about him and turns it back on. I'm like, yeah, now what you going to do with that line Like he, he, he invalidates lines. That's part of the process of a battle is like he's taking Kendrick's own line and flipping it back and it's like, oh no, I know how to invalidate that, let me flip it. That's why I said, if we were to actually systemically break this down, like in like, if we were to put it into, like, um, if we were to put it in an artificial intelligence and be like what's the more poignant? This record, the ai would spit back out it's drake, because he, he's doing this, he's doing this, he's doing this, he's doing this.

Speaker 2: 48:51

It was tough yeah, yeah, um, I do want to say this right quick, and I got a slide. I know that we already about to be leaders in this space because we already got shark biters biting our style. You know like I can already see niggas biting our style. It's like haven't you taken enough of my shit? You know what I'm saying, and so I already know that we got people.

Speaker 2: 49:16

I already know we got people on their toes because now niggas is changing their whole mo because they've been called out and now they're trying to move different. It's like you know, that rapper from north carolina said that he feels like muhammad ali. I don't feel like muhammad ali. I am muhammad ali. You know what I'm saying. So you know you can try to bite our shit, you can try to rework your programming, you can try to level up. It's not going to be good enough against the champ. And that's all I really got to say real, real cool.

Speaker 1: 49:42

Uh, real quick, before you slide, just two more questions that I wanted to take on. Uh, number one what was your thoughts on the ross? This? And number two, seeing that it's getting personal and the whole space right now of this battle, do you think um cole is validated in any way to bow out, because maybe he knew something beforehand that we didn't go?

Speaker 2: 50:03

he probably knew this was coming and didn't want to be part of the friendly fire. But that would be part of the problem that I have with him right now. Like hip-hop's about being with the shits, everybody like like you're the one that's stepping down, because here's the reality of the matter right now, he's the one of all of them. And so when the nicest nigga is being too nice, like in real life, real time, like the nice thing on the mic wants to be like play nice, when all like Drake even said to himself oh, he's like this shit been brewing behind the scene for years. So hell, yeah, cole knew. Yeah, cole knew, because drake just let everybody know oh no, this has been bubbling for years.

Speaker 2: 50:39

And now I made a comment last year on my former podcast when I was like yo, I was like don't tell me that all these niggas is happy and getting along like this. I said that because it's just not the way money, power and women work. You know what I'm saying? It ain't. And so drake is just being honest about. He's like yeah, this shit been bubbling for years. Like we, we, we been not able to really stand each other for a while.

Speaker 1: 51:00

Yeah, he said he had a disc. The first version of the disc record that came out had few extra bars on the end. It got cut off. The official version where he said yo, you don't have to distract for four years. Go ahead and drop it or shut up. You know what I'm saying? Did you years? Go ahead and drop it or shut up? You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2: 51:15

did you hear? That's what I'm saying. Like these dudes run in the same circles, fam. They know each other, they know they know. They know the women that each other is dealing with. They know what the home situation look like, they know what the money situation look like, they know what the tour. It's just like this for the industry that I'm in in this city. Well, everybody in this city knows me and knows how I get down. You want to know why? Because I've been in this industry for over 20 years in this city, so ain't no secrets about me floating around in the city. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 51:46

Hip hop is just like every other profession. In that regard, guys, it's like, oh no, if you've been doing something 10, 15, 20 years, the niggas that do the same thing know your MO, know how you move, know what you can do well, know what you can't do well. It's very similar to playoff basketball in the sense that it's like when teams because the playoffs are about to start, it's the last day of the NBA regular season and I really got to go, and Kevin Durant just said this Well, the playoffs are really about, will not skill, because you've played all these teams four or five times already. They already about will not skill because you've played all these teams four or five times already. They already know the sets. They already know the players. They already know the players best moves. It's about who wants it more right? You ain't about to run no new sets. After playing 82 games, you're gonna run the sets that got you to the playoffs. It's about executing the sets and so much like hip-hop. This is about who's about to execute, and I'm not like I'm more of a Ross fan than a Drake fan Anybody who's ever followed me but I know Drake has a history of executing.

Speaker 2: 52:44

I don't know what these other guys execution looks like in these battles. It's kind of like this like OKC in Minnesota, well, they might have better records than a team like Phoenix or Golden State or LA, but if they have to match up on one of those teams, well I would be worried for those teams, because those teams are not battle-tested the way Kevin Durant and Devin Booker are, the way a Steph Curry and Klay Thompson is, the way a LeBron James and Anthony Davis is. It's different when they go live. And so do you remember the Golden State Sacramento series last year? Sacramento had a far better team last year than Golden State. Golden State knew how to operate with that type of pressure and tension on the line. It's different when that pressure and tension is on the line.

Speaker 2: 53:30

It's the same shit as hip-hop space. I'm not bigging up Drake because I'm some big Drake fan all of a sudden I'm bigging up drake because I'm some big drake fan. All of a sudden I'm bigging up drake because he has the resume that says oh no, y'all need to be more worried about him than he should be worried about y'all. Y'all ain't proving yourselves in this space, especially kendrick exactly, and I gotta go. Peace world, cool be safe appreciate y'all.

Speaker 3: 53:55

Everybody like and subscribe and it dropped during the whole thing. Now, no, now y'all see why I named him coupac. I should have trademarked that last year when I I should have hit the trademark that. But no, um, ag, before we get up out of here in the last, in the last thing, you want to, you want to?

Speaker 1: 54:17

yeah, I want to, I want to. Let's uh segue into the ross record because I don't want to leave. You know, know, skip, skip over that any, you know, because you don't want to hit me up on that. Like yo, I got a feeling that Ross is going to come out with something and, lo and behold, like an hour later he dropped. So what was your thoughts on that record?

Speaker 3: 54:34

Oh, ross scares me a little bit when it comes to this whole battle, because we know what Ross can do. I didn't like the fact that he used the white boy reference at the end. That could have been cut off. I thought that was a little bit. I thought that was going a little bit too far. Um, with that whole you know, that whole banter. I didn't like that at all. But I think Ross has the ability to really do some damage, to be quite honest, um, because Ross is a Ross, if you want to call it what you want to call it. He gave 50 some problems during that beef and Ross doesn't back down.

Speaker 3: 55:08

Ross is always that guy that has a good pen, he has a good ear for music. So the beat is going to be fire, the production is going to be fire. He can do the things that Future definitely cannot do. I don't think that Drake has to worry about Future anymore at this point. I don't think he has to worry about Metro at this point. I think, of course, k-dot goes without saying. I think Ross is the one you got to be careful about, because Ross can't take it there For him to put together that in less than an hour or so. That tells you where he can go with it. He has a good pen, so we got to be careful with Ross.

Speaker 1: 55:44

Yeah, but I think a lot of the things that Ross came out with could be refuted. Right, he even said at one point that he had more money than Drake. I was like okay, ross.

Speaker 3: 55:55

Yeah, ross is going to fabricate. That's what Ross do. We know that about Ross. He's going to fabricate, he's going to fabricate, he's going to, he's going to put some, some, some stink on it, right, I think, with Ross. You got to be careful with Ross, because when I messaged you yesterday and said yo, man, ross is the wild card, I really did that I think wild card he's definitely the wild card.

Speaker 1: 56:15

Yeah, I think I'm more sad than anything, though I hate to see these two go at it, cause they done made a lot of classic records together for real. Um, but I think the thing that landed for me was when he was talking about, you know, drake having a nose job and all that, cause he wanted to look like his dad. That made me laugh. But, um, you know that speaks to something to hip hop as well, because, you know, I was kind of thinking of some disc records because when ross said that it wasn't in a bar, he was just talking his ish at the end of the record, right, right, some sometimes like I've heard 50 cent do that. Ross did that. Pock has done it. Like, how do you feel if it's not within the bar work but somebody's just talking their ish at the end of the record and get some points off? You know, land some jazz, but it's just talking like, how do you feel about that?

Speaker 3: 57:10

I mean, it's all fair at this point, isn't it At this point, like everything has to be put out there on the table?

Speaker 1: 57:17

Right, but to me it gets an asterisk. If you wasn't clever enough to put it within the bar work that's for me it does.

Speaker 3: 57:24

But right now, when you're, when you're responding in real time and you're not processing what's being thrown, this is what's going, that's what you're going to get. You're not going to get something that's going to be original flavor. You're not going to get something that's going to make a lot of sense in the beginning. You're going to get a lot of emotion, right, and you think about this if jay probably shouldn't have responded with super ugly because he was emotionally charged, right, super ugly came out. It came out. What was it? Two days or three days? It was quick, yeah, it was pretty quick. Right, he was emotionally amped up because he was still like his team looking at him like yo, what you going to do, son? And he's sitting there like I'm emotional right now I'm going to the radio station, I'm going bonkers and it didn't land.

Speaker 3: 58:12

When you get a chance to really process what's being thrown at you, in whatever capacity, you have a better mindset to go into that battle. You know what I'm saying. You have a better mindset to go into that battle. You know I'm saying I think, with all of this, I don't think they knew drake was going to come out on a, on a big saturday on a saturday afternoon. Yeah, I don't think no one anticipated that, right, I don't even think drake and I don't think drake held on to this, this record. I think this is something that he probably, you know, took time to really think through and started putting together in the last 24 to 48 hours. I'm only assuming that, because it sounds very fresh, it sounds very direct and it sounds like very current. When you do stuff like that, you're going to get certain emotional attachments to, when you get certain emotional jobs from it. So I don't disagree with you, bro. I just think that it's a byproduct of it, to be quite honest, right?

Speaker 1: 59:05

Overall. In the grand scheme of things, man, I'm happy that we back here in hip hop and I hope, as a hip hop fan, I'm hoping Kendrick comes back with. You know what I'm saying A hard body blow or hard uppercut. You know what I mean. But I don't think it needs to be on a feature per se. You know what I mean. He needs to put his own track and address Drake fully on that. Um, and then Drake said we're not even close to pushing the red button.

Speaker 1: 59:30

I seen, you know, something was posted online where he was DM and somebody. So evidently he got more in the tuck that he could fully um, focus on Kendrick. But what I don't want to hear is I'm good on the future thing. I think he took care of future weekend Metro in one fell swoop. I think he was real efficient in doing that. But he's putting stuff out there. He's pointing out nasty work, saying weekend's manager was flying dudes out and stuff. I mean, yeah, he was taking it there in the bars, but I don't see any reason for him to address them anymore.

Speaker 1: 1:00:10

Maybe Ross? No, because he gave Ross one line saying he was going, you know, cuff his next girl like you know Ricky. So you know that was a nod to his CO pass, but he just tapped him with that one bar. And then you know that was a nod to the to his CEO pass, but he just tapped him with that one bar. And then, you know, ross comes out with his whole joint against Drake. So he might need to address Ross again going forward, but his, his sights definitely need to be set on Kendrick. But I think the ball is in Kendrick's court as far as Drake's concerned. Drake can respond to Ross if he wants to, but I say you let kendrick throw the next blow let me, that's.

Speaker 3: 1:00:45

That's crazy. Throwing this blow is crazy, oh yo let me. No, diddy, you know I'm saying you say, you say body, body blow, and I throw the next blow.

Speaker 1: 1:00:54

That's yeah we'll get that stricken from the record yeah, that's, we edit that one out.

Speaker 3: 1:01:00

Um, now, I think that whole oh man, that's great. Oh, now let me ask you this it's kendrick on the clock now, because we put drake on the clock, we put cole on the clock yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. So now do we put, you know, do we put kendrick on the clock?

Speaker 1: 1:01:19

yeah, I'm. I'm glad you brought that up, bro, because Kendrick had, however long to write his verse for, like that, you know, because it just kind of came out of nowhere. And then Drake's been on the clock to respond these last three weeks. So, yes, kendrick is on the clock. And Drake said in the bars you know, if y'all haven't heard the first version of the disc, go back and listen to it. He said you know, so he knows some information. He said you don't have this disc for four years. Go ahead and drop it or shut up. So when Kendrick does come with the uh, this track, how are we going to grade that, if it's something that's been in the tub for four years or if it's something that was just written now? If we know, if we're able to distinguish that, how would you feel if he released the joint that he had four years ago?

Speaker 3: 1:02:05

I don't want that. That's crazy to me. That's crazy because for you, four years removed from that, you know, I mean I can probably get it dusted off and put some things here and there on it, but I don't want that. I want you to be current, I want you to be in the moment. Because you made that slick rhyme against them. You was in a moment. So keep that same energy in a moment. Because now we're talking about built up, you know, built up frustration against an artist. That's not the good energy right there to go with right. Because now, if you're holding these things in the tuck and you're just waiting for the moment to release it and it's over four years, why bother? Why?

Speaker 3: 1:02:42

bother Strap that that's dead now, because you can take I guess you can take vibes from it and piece it together and make it more. Current Rappers do that all the time. Yeah, they do that all the time. I get that part. But just to go into four years ago and you put it out, it may sound like a four-year record, it out, it may sound like a four-year record and we're going to know that. But the question is, do we, do we pick it apart? Because right now we're picking apart drake?

Speaker 1: 1:03:10

do we pick apart? People won't do kendrick the same.

Speaker 3: 1:03:12

People won't do kendrick the same we got to keep it above board. We got to keep it above board. If we're not doing that, then what's all this battle? For you know what I mean.

Speaker 1: 1:03:21

Yeah, and I think that what I would like to see because people are on Metro's case, but Metro is not a rapper. He can only tweet something or whatever. But what would be dope for me as a hip hop fan is if Kendrick does respond with a diss track, it needs to be over a Metro, it doesn't have to be over a Metro beat, but for me that would be dope If Metro was the one that produced it. To come back at Drake, some kind of way.

Speaker 3: 1:03:51

I can see that it's going to have to be one of those and Metro's on fire when it comes to production Metro's dope. If I'm future, I'm leaving this alone. I said what I said. I'm going to leave it alone. I'm going to go back and do my future thing. If I'm weekend, I'm not getting involved in no capacity.

Speaker 1: 1:04:10

I'm leaving that alone as well, we don't want to hear that.

Speaker 3: 1:04:12

Anyway, we don't want to hear that. Anyway, I'm not a weekend fan. I think he's overrated, but that's a conversation for a different day. But I think that at this point let's get the little guys out the way no disrespect, because you know they're all talented. Did you hear the John.

Speaker 1: 1:04:30

Morant story About the NBA player doing the gritty or whatever you know, it's always over a girl, like you know, allegedly, drake and John Morant you know what I'm saying dated the same chick, so John Morant caught Trey.

Speaker 3: 1:04:43

I can't speak on it. You know the Ja Morant Shout out to Rembrandt's let's get off of that, let's get off of that real quick. But you're a cool man, You're a cool boy. To get me You're cool, but yo you're right.

Speaker 2: 1:05:03

That was a good bar, oh, but that's what they do you mess with other guys girls?

Speaker 1: 1:05:09

man, it's always over a girl, man always crazy always, always over a girl man.

Speaker 3: 1:05:14

But I think that what we have to be careful about now is like we can't let the media dictate how this goes moving forward, because let's leave it in the hands of hip-hop. That's not, that's impossible, bro tiktok. I know, I know, but it dilutes it, because we can't give credit to the k-dot one line and rick ross saying white boy at the end and not give credit to Drake, even taking on all these guys. Pause for Dolo, you know. I mean, no one jumped in. We didn't get a Wayne verse or Wayne reference. We didn't get a Nikki reference. We didn't get no one from Young Money or OVO. We got some tweets here and there, but that's about it. But we didn't get anything that said yo, we ride. We didn't get a 21 Savage quote or anything like that. You know the people who still rock with him, so he's really going for Dolo at this point.

Speaker 1: 1:06:09

But why do you think his standard is different? Do you think because people just genuinely don't like him as an individual? Because the lines that are gas for Rick Ross if Drake said them, people would be like, oh, that's whack or corny or whatever. Or do you think it's just because he's that much better? Because to me, kendrick is better than Drake. Lyrically, drake is not as good as Kendrick, but the things that Kendrick said and liked that were held in higher regard than what Drake said in this record, and I think that's because of who Drake is. But if you hold them to a higher standard, then and I think that's because of who Drake is. But if you're holding him- to a higher standard then do you think he's better, or you just?

Speaker 3: 1:06:48

hate the guy, man, they would hate the guy. Let's be honest.

Speaker 1: 1:06:49

They want to see.

Speaker 3: 1:06:49

Drake fall off they want to see Drake lose man Right. I mean, it's no different than Ja Rule. When Ja Rule was at the peak of his game, that's when it was. You know what I'm saying. It was one of those things where they wanted to see him finally fall off. He was running things People kind of remember those who weren't there in real time.

Speaker 3: 1:07:08

Ja Rule was running everything, not just New York. Ja Rule was running the pop period. We were all in the club shaking the tail feather to Ja Rule joints. We all were doing it. I'm not a dancer, but everybody was dancing to them. Ja Rule joints we all were doing it. I'm not a dancer, but everybody was dancing to them. Ja Rule joints Every guy was on there. Be without you. Everybody was doing it. But then it got to the point where he was oversaturated. He was oversaturated to the market and they wanted to get him up out of here. And who better to get him up out of here but his arch nemesis? I don't think Drake truly has an arch nemesis. Honestly, I think all of these guys are collaborators. They were collaborators. He may have done foul stuff to them in some capacity, but he doesn't have a true arch nemesis.

Speaker 1: 1:07:56

I think Kendrick is that. I think Kendrick is that for real?

Speaker 3: 1:07:59

But is he?

Speaker 1: 1:08:02

Yeah, because he's commercially viable not as big of a star as Drake, but Kendrick's a superstar, he's a phenomenal artist and he's better lyrically. So, yes, he's. You know he's the one, he's the one and that's why you know the whole loss to push a T thing. It doesn't really it's a stain on Drake's career but it didn't really affect him in that way because it came from push a T. Right, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1: 1:08:28

A lot of people don't view push a T as an equal for Drake. That's why he, joe button, came out with a whole disc EP to Drake and Drake didn't even respond. Because you know Drake personally holds, you know Joe has lyrics, but he know he can play that card with his fan base like I ain't responding to this peasant, whatever. But kendrick is the one guy that's viable on that level that if he takes a bad loss to kendrick, I see it affecting him more than the push of t loss because even with the salacious thing, with him trying to kid with the chick or whatever, like I said, some people in certain rap circles don't look at push a T like that and they just write that off or whatever. But if he takes an L to Kendrick, kendrick is his nemesis and this will hurt his career worse If he takes a big loss to Kendrick. But the one thing he got to help him out is he's fighting like 20 battles right now.

Speaker 1: 1:09:28

It's really saying a lot to Drake being that dude because he's got to fight off like 20 different artists. It's a lot of noise.

Speaker 3: 1:09:36

I slightly disagree with you, bro. I don't think Kendrick is his true nemesis. I don't, Because when I make my definitions different, when I define the true nemesis, I'm talking about Jay and Nas. I'm talking about Jai and 50. I'm talking about Shannon and KRS-One. I'm talking about those who have set a certain tone to say this is my direct competition because of X, Y and Z. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 1:10:03

They've been subbing each other for a decade, though, and they genuinely got a disdain, and that was the difference with Cole. Cole, you know, wants to be cool with everybody, but Kendrick and Drake really don't like each other, according to who, them, them you know what I'm saying. They've been subbing each other for a decade. I mean, it's been a long road to get to this point. Like, if you don't put Kendrick in that spot as Drake's nemesis, then he has none and he's above the entire fray.

Speaker 3: 1:10:34

Kendrick is the guy and we'll either talk offline about that or talk on Thursday about that, because I'm going to process that. No doubt I have a lot of different things going through my mind right now with regards to that, because I don't I don't fully disagree, but I disagree with certain fragments of that, because I don't know if, if the public pushed them to be competitive towards one another, or if they're truly arch nemesis. I don't think they're cross paths enough to be a specific arch nemesis. That's just my opinion. You know what I mean. I just I want to process.

Speaker 1: 1:11:08

You mean personally or in the commercial world, I think universal, I think.

Speaker 3: 1:11:14

universal, I think, when you think about, you know again, going to continue the Harpoon, nas and Jay, there were certain breadcrumbs that led to what we got to them at their battle. There were certain things, there were certain situations that were happening during this time that made you feel like at some point these guys are going to have to clash and I think Nas even stated in one of his rhymes we're going to have to end up. It's coming up to that point, I think, with Drake and Kke and k dot. There are a lot of distractions in between that because, like you said, he's going up against a lot of people right now. You know, I mean a lot of people right now and those are distractions. It's not like a tunnel vision to each other, because jay cole jumped out there first and he apologized. That took the steam away from that directness that they had.

Speaker 3: 1:12:05

I feel like every time we had an opportunity to get to this point between Drake and Kendrick, there were distractions. There were a lot of distractions around it because everybody wanted a piece of pie. Rick Ross, he's a fly guy. He's more known for fly talk and luxury talk than reality at times. Right Him jumping out, there was him saying look at me, guys, look at me, I'm still Rose. Huh, that's him. So now he becomes a distraction, right, he becomes a distraction to the role that is being paved for these guys to come.

Speaker 3: 1:12:44

you know, meet each other, the main, the main event distraction because, like you said earlier, now do we have a situation where drake had to go back and address ross, or does he stay on the same road, a trajectory to go at k dot? How long does it take for k dotDot to even respond? Does K-Dot take a month? Does he take a couple of weeks? Does he take a couple of days? If he takes a couple of weeks, do we lose the luster for it? You know what I mean. Does it dilute at this point? Because now it's dying down.

Speaker 1: 1:13:16

I'm just, my mind is racing right now.

Speaker 1: 1:13:18

I think this has been a problem since Control and they've been sending subs back and forth, whether it be in interviews, comments, you know on record, and I think in a lot of ways this may be kind of like a Mayweather Pacquiao situation. Drake always knew he was the top guy when Kendrick was on the rise. So when Kendrick started you know what I'm saying Begging them to come outside to spar with him, Drake, in Mayweather fashion, was like you know, I ain't you know, fighting this guy. You know what I mean Just kind of like, not that he was ducking him. I don't think that Drake really thought that Kendrick was on his level, but the fans did. And then now we're getting this battle, now that we should have got like six or seven years ago, where Mayweather Pacquiao was a little bit late on that go where?

Speaker 3: 1:14:05

maybe where the pacquiao was a little bit late on that. You made my point, because we'll talk about on thursday. You made my point.

Speaker 1: 1:14:09

Okay, all right we're gonna say we're gonna say that when we're gonna table that yeah, yeah, you made my point. Yeah, yeah, all right, I ain't rolling. I'm gonna have to hear your counter argument, but we'll see we said we say the same thing.

Speaker 3: 1:14:21

Um, just in a different space, like I'm. I'm more magneto right now. You're more professor x. Yeah, we're on that type of time right now, no doubt ready to wrap this thing. Yes, sir, yo again.

Speaker 3: 1:14:34

Shout out to all of you who came in popping with us this morning. We thank y'all hopping in on a sunday morning. Shout out to coop popelley. He had to hop out because he had to go take care of some other things, but we wanted to bring this to the forefront. There's so much to still talk about. Shout out to even the roundtable for having the courage to go on live yesterday, to even jump into the fray in the middle of all of this and, as y'all can see, so much is still happening. So much is still happening. So much is still going on as we continue to unfold this.

Speaker 3: 1:15:08

We will definitely be back on Thursday. We got some more stuff in store. We appreciate all of you guys. Appreciate the love. Thank you for the chat. Thank you all for looking out for us and everything Stacks. Appreciate you. In the background, engineering Tri Boogie, other engineers. Shout out to Taj aka Animal Thug. Appreciate all of you guys. Shout out to everybody who popped in today. Y'all go to church and get some savings and some grace. Do more for me too. Peace we out, no doubt Peace.