The South Had Something To Say

Welcome to Atlanta, as we celebrate OutKast's game-changing "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik." This isn't just a nostalgia trip; it's a masterclass in how the album not only put Atlanta on the map but also raised the bar for rap artistry across the board speaks to the South's hunger to be heard. We're talking real influence here, the kind that has us ranking the dynamic duo's discography and sizing up Atlanta's hip-hop scene against the best out there.  Coop leads the conversation about the album's impact on the South while detailing personal experiences through his lens.  With careful preciseness, Coop shares what the album meant to Atlanta and the South as a whole, as he explains the elevation of lyricism in a region that was known for its bass and dancing movement. Adriel and Shawn join Coop in the discussion by sharing their takes on the album and how it impacted them from afar. The 3 exchange their favorite songs from the album while drawing parallels to a world that they are both familiar and unfamiliar with. The conversation leads the listener(s) down the dirt roads of the south and takes a trip up north to the gritty streets of Queens with Mobb Deep back down to the soulful vibes of Atlanta with OutKast, as the team continues to show their range and passion for Hip Hop. 

Now, what's the rap game without some good old-fashioned beef? Get the inside scoop on the latest tracks that are reigniting the fiery spirit of competition, with an updated yet modified approach to competitive rap. We're breaking down the strategic mind games between Drake and Kendrick Lamar and debating the tactics of the tech-infused twists in Drake's diss tracks. The team also shares their opinion on Kanye's input into all of this and how Chris Brown and Quavo's skirmish is weird yet entertaining. This episode is your courtside seat to the showdowns that keep the hip-hop world buzzing. The team continues to push the envelope by breaking down the top 10 pivotal and impactful albums from Atlanta. The ranking was unrehearsed, as they shared their opinions from the most genuine space through conversation. 

Finally, why settle for one legend when you can draft a team of them? We're engaging in a fantasy rap draft that's as heated as it is nostalgic, picking and trading artists at the peak of their powers. From selecting your favorite rapper to trash-talking each other throughout each round, every pick is a deep dive into the heart of hip-hop history. And remember, it's not just about the music; it's about the stories and the struggles that shaped these titans. Tune in for a celebration of the culture that promises to leave you with a newfound appreciation for the genre's greats. 

Transcript

Intro

Speaker 1 0:00

East Coast resurgence was imminent. But it's like this though. I'm tired of folks you know what I'm saying Closed-minded folks, you know what I'm saying. It's like we got a demo tape and nobody want to hear it. But it's like this is South, got something to say, that's all I got to say Yo, yo, what's up, fellas, what's up? What's up how y'all doing this evening? What up, what's going on? Peace, gentlemen, peace, peace. Yo Coop, this is your show tonight. This the Coop show, man. This the Coop show. I'm going to kick it off with that. This the Coop show tonight.

Speaker 2 0:49

No, you know, very few albums make me happy to talk about them, like where, where, like it feels like a piece of me and this is like, this is the album, albums for me like. This is the album that made me believe that I could rap, and there is literally, like the quote dmx on uh, get at me, dog. There's at least a thousand niggas like me mobbing the streets, like in Atlanta, that feel this way about this album. This is, this is the game changer for the South, like for Atlanta in particular, but this is the game changing album for the South, and so I'm excited to share, like, some of my thoughts and some of my feelings, some of my opinions and some of my reflections about the most important rap album that ever came out of this region.

Speaker 1 1:28

quite frankly, that's crazy, because last week we just did Illmatic 30th and we were blessed with the opportunity to do Southern Fragilist and Catholic Doses all day. Man, good baby. I mean as far as back-to-back weeks in hip-hop history.

Speaker 2 1:47

There's not a better back-to-back week album turn than these two albums.

Speaker 1 1:51

It's not a better one. It's not a better one. So let's get to it, fellas. I just want to give a shout-out, first and foremost, to those who are watching out there on YouTube, those who are on Facebook as well.

Coop's Corner (Chris Brown vs. Quavo)

Speaker 1 2:01

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Speaker 2 2:44

So I think we've all heard the Chris Brown diss track, correct?

Speaker 1 2:50

Yes, yes, we have, yes, we have.

Speaker 2 2:53

Now I don't know how else to say this, but you know, for years I've been doing this now and I keep talking about how happy and friendly these rappers are with each other and how, overall, the reason that I don't like it is because it's really not good for the climate. Well, Chris Brown's this record is exactly what I'm talking about. You see, chris Brown, he really genuinely don't like Quavo and Quavo don't like him. They don't like each other and it's okay. We're all not supposed to fucking hold hands and sing kumbaya and get along. And you want to know what happened?

Speaker 2 3:32

because chris brown don't like quavo, he just dropped the best diss record we've heard this year it really is because when the animus is real, when you just really don't really care for a motherfucker, it brings out a different side of you as a man. First of all, to all the ladies out there never date an R&B singer with the last name Brown. That's James Brown, bobby Brown, chris Brown, crazy niggas. Never date a nigga named Brown that sings. You're in a lot of trouble if you do. But if you, but if you want a singing ass nigga, that'll diss somebody in a minute. Guess what? James brown, bobby brown, yeah, and so what I'm talking about? Like all these dudes holding hands and singing kumbaya. The problem and the reason why this thing hasn't really kicked off in the rap world between these guys, the way that we like is the only one that feels some type of way is drake. And listen to me, drake only feels some type of way because he knows everybody else hates him right right the rest of these niggas is too happy.

Speaker 2 4:41

They've been singing kumbaya and holding hands too long and playing nice with each other, and when you play nice with somebody too long, you don't know how to separate and draw the line. So I'm going to. You know I'm a big sports fan. I'm going to use a quick basketball reference. Do y'all remember the NBA anniversary 70-15? Absolutely Now.

Speaker 2 5:01

If you watched Michael Jordan when he showed up, first of all, mike didn't acknowledge about 90% of the niggas that was there. It's like he only acknowledged the super special niggas. He's like what up LeBron? What up Luka D-Wade, kd, rest of you niggas get out the way. But then he seen Magic. He didn't tell that nigga hello. He looked at him and was like you got some shoes Right, you and me, you and me Right now. You see Magic kind of laughed at him. But then he kind of looked at him like oh, this nigga, serious, hold on. Do I got shoes in the car? Like you see Magic, kind of pause for a second, like do I got shoes in the car? Because I'm balling with this nigga right now and they're friends, they're close, but not close enough that when it's time to dance it's like oh no, I want you. I want you right now. It's the first thing he did when he seen Magic.

Speaker 1 5:48

You got some shoes nigga Right, yeah, and everybody else is uncomfortably laughing because they didn't know if it was Gary Popoff.

Speaker 3 5:55

Right then and there.

Speaker 2 5:56

Right, because both of them know both of them and they're like, oh shit, these old niggas might go grab some shoes. If that, if that would have been delayed another 15 minutes, they both would have went and got shoes and played in front of everybody, one-on-one, and the game and the game is missing that, like that's what the hip-hop game is missing. It's that fervor where it's like, even if I like you, even if I respect you, like it's the respect that comes with it. It's like he only did that to Magic because he doesn't think anybody else can play with him. But Magic Facts, it's like no, no, no, that's the guy that's going to give me a problem. Because here's how Mike is and a lot of people don't realize this.

Speaker 2 6:36

The first finals Michael Jordan went to, he played Magic Johnson and he tried to guard Magic Johnson in game one and Magic busted his ass and the Lakers took game one at home from the Bulls. And then Phil Jackson said, scotty, you take Magic, or it's about to be a long series, and Mike remembered stuff like that, because Mike is petty. And so, yes, I've taken care of Michael Jordan a few times. He's petty and he remembers everything. Like I was his fucking bartender. He remembered my name and he spent a week apart from coming into my establishment and he was like yo, coop, you remember what I drink? I was like oh, this nigga petty, right, he doesn't forget anything.

Speaker 2 7:16

He almost grudges competitive fire, fervor and rap battles are made of and, quite frankly, I never thought I would say this. I need these rappers to act like chris brown, because this week it wasn't just quay that got bodied by a singer nigga, it was the whole game that got bodied by a singer nigga. Because he really exposed. He really exposed how happy and soft and delicate the game is, and I don't mean that shit in a good way.

Speaker 3 7:49

To your point, Coop, it's a certain faction of people that are saying that Chris might have took the diss a little bit too far with some of the things he said. I'm not going to repeat those sentiments, but you know what he said in the song. So do you think that this one goes a little bit deeper than the spirit of competition? Do you think this one will have the potential to get ugly?

Speaker 2 8:08

It has the potential to get ugly. It has a potential to get ugly, but I keep trying to tell everybody there's no rules in battle either. So there isn't. There is no such thing as a cheap shot. Now. You can say something that's wrong. You can say something that's inappropriate, inappropriate. You can say something that's downright crude and disrespectful. And guess what. He did all of those things, and he don't give no fuck about it. And that's part of it too. That's what happens crude and disrespectful. And guess what. He did all of those things and he don't give no fuck about it. And that's part of it too. That's what happens when you step into the ring Like this this is not boxing, they not. You can't, you can't lose a point for doing it and they like up, take a point away. It's like oh damn, it's like he shouldn't. That's what makes hip-hop different. That's what makes the competitive sport about hip-hop different than all the other competitive sports is like well, it really is free man's, and you really don't.

Speaker 2 8:52

You really don't lose a point when you do something inappropriate like that I don't think you necessarily lose a point.

Speaker 3 8:57

But if you combine, you know, those low blows with style points like how you deliver them makes the difference, people are more subject to forgive them. Low blows with style points, like how you deliver them, makes the difference. People are more subject to forgive them. Low blows like that If they got some style behind it, if you hit them with a slick line, double entendre, versus it just be some straight up disrespectful stuff, then they might look at it a little bit different. You know what I'm saying. It's how. It's how the delivery was.

Speaker 2 9:22

And I respect that, because it's like you know, um, amanda seals was just on, uh, shannon sharpe's podcast to that exact point, and she spoke to, like you know, where jay really lost was is that, well, jay wasn't jay on super ugly, he was just like going straight for the jugular, but because, instead of being his usual uh, witty, double entendre, um, different perspective analysis type of rapper that he is, but that's because his ass was on the ropes, though that's what happens when you're on the ropes too. When you're on the ropes, you behave out of character, just like. I mean, did y'all see the haney garcia fight?

Speaker 2 10:00

man yes, did I. Yeah, so that's not the haney that we usually see. But guess what? He was on the ropes?

Speaker 3 10:10

yeah, right, and when you're on the ropes you behave different right, it was a knee-jerk reaction by jay, because normally he's too cool for school and you know, right, that was a knee-jerk reaction.

Speaker 2 10:21

So but he, but he. You know, quote, unquote, ethered, it's an adjective now, and you know he was to quote him from all I need. He was left leaning a little past six. It's a verb, it's an action word, right. So I mean yeah, he got too cute, but Chris Brown just dropped the best diss record this year, while niggas is doing like fucking IG battles, like they're fucking 22-year-old OnlyFans models.

Speaker 3 10:53

And he was rapping, rapping on there. Let's keep it a book.

Speaker 2 10:56

He was rapping, he was spitting, no, spitting, no, he was rapping rapping.

Speaker 1 11:00

Yo, chris Brown is a talented brother, always been he is. You can't take that away from him. And he has that fire, he has that bite to him. So this is in him. He can do this, he can actually do this and it's personal. So it comes off a little bit different. It's a little bit more bite to it because it's personal, it's not fabricated, it's not manufactured and I'm thinking we're starting to see the difference between what's manufactured versus what's real, because all of this we're going to join forces to take Drake out. I think all this stuff is manufactured. It's not sticking to your ribs what Chris Brown did with Quavo. It kind of sticks a little bit because there is some intertwining there. There's some, like you said in the beginning. He doesn't like Quavo, they don't like each other.

Speaker 2 11:45

They don't like each other.

Speaker 1 11:47

It gives more oomph to it. Here's what.

Speaker 2 11:54

I mean about how the audience feels the difference. I always gauge how real it is when I step into my daughter's world. My daughter's the one that put me onto the Chris Brown disc. I'm taking her to school. She was like you know, my daughter's the one that put me onto the chris brown disc like I'm taking her to school. She was like you know, she's like you know, breezy, just disc quavo. I was like she, like she grabbing her phone, like yeah, nigga, I'm putting you on game click right.

Speaker 2 12:15

And she and she like and this is what I mean about these soft-ass rappers when a 17 year old girl is asking her father what's up with these rappers, though, daddy, don't you do a hip hop podcast? You know any of these niggas? She was like it's not a good look to be showing off your mansion when you're supposed to be battling daddy facts. I'm like. I'm like it's what the kids are saying. So you don't got to hear from, like grown men. In your age bracket the high schoolers and the middle schoolers and the college kids is looking at you like, hey, what's this off that shit?

Speaker 1 12:48

you're doing fam Breezy out here going hard, right right, because they know. They know what it feels like. You know the difference between what's really happening and what's not happening, and there's a lot of not happening right now. Whether you want to admit it or not, there's a lot of not happening.

Speaker 2 13:04

Like I said, drake's the only one out here getting it popping AI or no AI, because here's the reality of the matter. His verse was pretty much an invitation, like saying hey, nigga, can your punk ass come out to play?

Speaker 1 13:16

Right.

Speaker 2 13:17

Are you allowed out the house after the streetlights are on so we can dance? Let's say way into that.

Speaker 3 13:24

Let's say way into that, let's Go ahead. What y'all think about that joint?

Speaker 1 13:31

If I'm being honest, I'm cool with it. I'm being honest with you, I'm cool with it. I'm okay with it because I see what he did. I see what he did there. I know, ag, he's tight about it. He was tight about it from the beginning, but I understand the plan. I understand what he did.

Speaker 1 13:52

Now, again, is it corny? Yeah, drake is corny, right, he leans into that very heavy. He leans into being corny and that's what made him again one of those guys you love to hate. But I think that is one of those things where, if you, if you strip away the corny shit, that's what made him again one of those guys you love to hate. But I think that it's one of those things where, if you, if you strip away the corny shit from it, right, and you look at it as bare bones, he actually got off on that because he was rapping as as tupac, he was rapping as snoop, you know. I mean use the ai thing to kind of do a little play on some stuff that's going on right now. Honestly, in this environment and I know the hip-hop has we appear as ourselves in the hip-hop scheme of things. We look at it like man. This is crazy, this is the box right, but it's really a situation where he's leaning into what's happening right now.

Speaker 3 14:38

that's all I can say on it you know I got a difference of opinion because I called you. I called you the morning they came out.

Speaker 1 14:45

Yeah, he was upset.

Speaker 3 14:48

To quote Drake. Yeah, I was upset, but the overall premise of it, right, I can get with that. You know, because I'm a sucker for conceptual records and speaking from someone else's perspective or what have you, I can get with that. It was real cleverly done. You know, if he was going to lean into the AI thing, my small critique would be he could have tried to have adopted Pac's or Snoop's actual flows instead of flowing like himself with the you know AI voice. But that's neither here nor there or there. But the bars he was saying, you know, knowing, from a place where kendrick holds pock and snoop so high, you know him basically talking from their perspective to try to give kendrick a pep talk like yo, you're supposed to be the guy that's representing the west, like you need to come outside and play. You know that sort of thing, all that. I love it. It's never been done before in rap competition. It was innovative. But there's a bigger picture at play and that's my problem absolutely when the biggest rap artist there is out there cosigns the use of ai. It is now a game changer. And ai I went on a whole rant, you know, one or two shows ago about the use of AI and now the ante has just been up by Drake using it. So we're in dangerous territory right now where this could go as far as the music industry, musical integrity and all that. And then you know, one of my homies he was like oh man, he said you always trying to. You know, look at that Al Sharpton point of view of things, like just enjoy the music. I'm like I mean, it is what it is. It's a bigger picture of play that you know some people are choosing to acknowledge it's deeper than the music and could it be industry driven to, you know, damage hip hop. Because I think this AI thing could really really kill it at the end of the day, because no other genres are dealing with it like our artists are dealing with it, right. So that's the kind of thing that looks funny to me and why it's taking place.

Speaker 3 17:05

I was on the phone with Sean, like just going off about the AI thing. I told him I was like yo, we did a whole show last week and we was talking about hip hop before Illmatic and after Illmatic and Illmatic is known as the hip hop Bible. And I told Sean. I said well, if that's the case, before, illmatic was the old testament, after Illmatic was the new testament, and right now we hear revelations which is AI stuff. You know what I'm saying? It's spooky hours, it is scary out here, so that's that's the thing. That's kind of, you know, bothered me with the whole thing. But you know, at the end of the day, uh, it was, it was a dope record if we just compartmentalizing how creative it was and um, but I just saw that it had to be taken down off social media because of the cease and desist he had to ultimate him. So, um, it's a lot of controversy surrounding it, but what do you?

Speaker 2 17:58

got coop so I try to look at it objectively. Um, first of all, I liken the uh, the reference of using the Tupac and the Snoop AI Like for me, what Drake is doing. Drake is like really doing his best impersonation of Muhammad Ali. Muhammad Ali would jab you for the first three, four, five, six rounds of a fight before he would start swinging on you, unless he knew that the jab was hurting you. Like, if he knew that the jab was hurting you early, he would go ahead and go take you out, right, but them first two, three rounds with Ali Ali's just feeling out and using the jab, using the jab, using the jab, you know. And I looked at it from the perspective of like it has a takeover, like perspective to it. It's nowhere near the level of takeover, but it has a takeover like perspective in the sense that he's kind of using kendrick and talking to kendrick like an opponent and he's got snoop and kendrick I mean he's got snoop and pock in kendrick's corner in this fight, pep, talking him like your training team would during a boxing match when the round is over. So it's like Kendrick is sitting on the stool and Pac's over here in his ear on one side. You got to use the jab. You know when he does this. You got to move this like a trainer would, and Snoop is over there greasing over his forehead and making sure that his eye doesn't swell from the jab he just took, and that's the perspective that I took away from it.

Speaker 2 19:27

So I like the perspective and I like the fact that he's pretty much like he's poking fun at his skills, like the same way he pokes fun at himself for being a singing nigga. He's like oh, you're gonna need a coin. I know you're sitting in that new york apartment somewhere. You're gonna need a quintuple entendre or something. Nigga Like he's having fun with it and being petty and being shady, but he's also thinking on a level of like well, this is a boxing match. I'm going to put your homies in your corner to pep talk you because you're still about to catch this fade, because when you're the best and you feel like you're the best, that's how you really talk. Your shit the best and you feel like you're the best.

Speaker 3 20:05

That's how you really talk your shit. Yeah, the party my favorite part was where, um, you know, he said you hoping this will die down. He said, nah, nah, you gotta, you gotta follow through now, like you know, you done came out. You know, go ahead and stay out here to play. So that's the. That's my favorite part. You keep on egging them on.

Speaker 3 20:22

But hearing the version with just Drake by himself, I mess with that. You know what I mean, because if you take the way from it because I get that he used the AI you know it's like you know, having a new toy and having fun with it or whatever, but at what cost. You know what I mean, because he may not look at it from that perspective that it could be a detriment to hip hop, because you know he's the biggest rap star. You know if it hurts somebody else in the game up and coming artists you know that's trying to get on. Then you know it's at what cost of musical integrity. It's like, you know, when Thanos was getting whipped by Scarlet Witch in Endgame, it was like you know rain, fire on the whole field. He was like, just do it. You know what I'm saying he was going to take out his own people just because, you know, for the sake of winning. So I know that he's focused on Kendrick and trying to take Kendrick out, but it's at what cost, though? That's what I like.

Speaker 1 21:22

He doesn't care, right, that's what I'll say. He doesn't care, right, it won't affect him, he's right. Believe it or not, if we want to agree or not, he's the top of the food chain. Everything this is his ecosystem right now, so he can do whatever he wants to do with his ecosystem. We can say. We want to say yes, drake is corny. Yes, we're getting tired of drake, I guess, but he's the top of the food chain. If he wasn't, you wouldn't have a collection of not just some weak rappers. These are the who's who. These are not like B-list or C-list rappers. These are like the who's who that are going after him collectively. They're joining forces like the Avengers to go after Thanos, because he's the major threat, he's the one.

Speaker 1 22:05

That's corny on the other side as well, Exactly Look we know Kanye got some problems, but he spit a lot of facts and truth when he's ranting. He's saying everything that they said behind he whispered. He's saying things out loud that they're whispering behind. He's putting it on front street.

Speaker 2 22:26

So, sean, let me piggyback off of that right quick. Oh see, drake knows that behind the curtain, these niggas been talking shit about him for years, right, and so when people are like, well, he's being too petty, he's being too emotional, it's like no, he's not. He's actually been holding his card and playing it cool, for a long time and he's just now to the point where he's like you want to know what y'all want to pop off in private or y'all want to pop off in public? Run it, run it and and so, and listen what I'm about to say. Sometimes your greatest victories come from your losses. And, as strange as it may seem, he's actually taking a page out of pusha t's book right now and he's like, no, I'm gonna play bully and keep coming for you until you say the shit out loud in front of everybody else so we can dance.

Speaker 2 23:23

Because Pusha T poked at Wayne and Drake for years, I can go to the Re-Up Gang album and he's talking shit about Wayne Talking about little nigga flows. But his metaphor is boring. Don't make me have to turn baby to abortion, right? He kept poking at them until one of them came outside to play and Drake finally came outside to play Because Wayne never came outside to play. Because Wayne never came outside to play like that with Push, he sure did, he did he sure?

Speaker 2 23:50

did Drake came out to play, but Push was letting it be known like no, how about? I'm not letting up on you, niggas, and I don't care how big you are or who likes you or what your following says. I know what you're saying behind closed doors. So fuck you too and let's go. And that's what I mean when I say he's got old school rapper sensibilities that way, because he really, like you, want to know what. Forget the conversation, forget about the girls. What about that shit?

Speaker 3 24:17

you said my nigga that puts Kendrick in a predicament. Right, because on like that, he wanted to call out Cole and Drake for standing next to each other, y'all clicking up right, which he chose to diss him on the coalition that was going at Drake, metro and Future. They were gathering everybody. Kanye didn't make no bones about it. He said yo, they called me and we was energized. We were excited to get rid of Drake. To eliminate Drake is what he said. Yo, they called me and we was energized. We were excited to get rid of drake. To eliminate drake is what he said. So now that's been put out on front street.

Speaker 3 24:49

How does kendrick approach that? Like, because he got to come with his own record, his own material. If I'm him in my diss track, I got to tell everybody I want the full iso get out my way, because this guy, you know he's my responsibility, I'm going at it. I don't want Ross to say nothing. I don't want Kanye to say nothing. That's what makes this beef so bizarre, because we got apologies, we got AI and we hearing from people that we don't even want to really hear from right now. We didn't even ask for them.

Speaker 1 25:21

Right, and I don't think he has that in him though, bro Pause. I don't think Kendrick. I don't think Kendrick's going to say move out the way, let me get at him. I don't think that's going to happen because that's not in Kendrick's character. We call Kendrick the boogeyman. Y'all call Kendrick the boogeyman, not me. Y'all call Kendrick the Boogeyman. You're saying he's this, this and this.

Speaker 3 25:43

He hasn't done anything to prove that.

Speaker 1 25:45

Where's the evidence? Show me some quantifiable facts to prove that he is this mythical creature that eats up other rappers. I've never seen it. We've seen flashes, but we've seen flashes from anybody. The baby would give you flashes of that. He got some bites on.

Speaker 3 26:04

That's the set off, because control was a set off, like that was a set off. He sets it off and then goes back into you know hiding mode and that's why Drake is like nah, we following through this time.

Speaker 2 26:18

Right, because that's okay. So here's the thing people look at him like the boogeyman. Because what does the boogeyman really do? He appears, but then he does what disappears there you go, there you go.

Speaker 3 26:33

What? What drake?

Speaker 2 26:34

is what drake is really saying is is that no, nigga, no disappearing. This time you're not just gonna like say your little shit and then take your little hiatus and you know, wait till your album drop, or all that he like no, I'm gonna keep on until you get on exactly right now.

Speaker 1 26:54

Now the pressure is on kendrick to do something about it, right, because no, I see people compare. Well, they said, nah, I didn't answer the j until three months or whatever. We're not in that space anymore. We have to admit the fact that we are in a different social media space. Back then we had to get the magazines. The magazines were used a month behind, so a lot of information we were not processing at that time we were probably two to three weeks behind, you know. I mean.

Speaker 1 27:22

So it took time for an artist to go to the studio, put in work, master it, make sure it's tight and then put it out. Now they can just go to their home studio, they can go on instagram, they can do all these weird things that ross is doing, shoot a video for no reason at all and get the stuff out there in moments. So we're in a different way of consuming material out there. We're in a whole different realm of consuming music. It's not the same thing. The consumption is totally different than it was back then. So now, yes, kendrick is on the clock. We can't take him off the clock. We put Drake on the clock.

Speaker 3 28:02

We got to have him on the clock, yeah, and I don't like that where people wanted to put Drake on the clock. We put Drake on the clock, we gotta have him on the clock. I don't like that where people wanted to put Drake on the clock but say Kendrick can take all the time he needs. I mean we gotta keep it balanced. People definitely ain't keeping it balanced.

Speaker 2 28:14

That's because your quote-unquote core hip-hop heads they want Kendrick to win because they feel like Kendrick is better for the core of hip-hop than Drake is. But you have to ask yourself, is he really better for the core of hip hop? Because what I keep trying to say is, when it comes down to these matters, drake has more core hip hop sensibilities about these things than Kendrick does. Kendrick is actually the one that's out here winning the Grammys. That's why he keeps on making the Taylor Swift and Adam Levine and all that fucking, all those jabs, because Drake knows he's like no, no, no.

Speaker 2 28:52

You think that he's your hip-hop god, but you're just thinking that You're not seeing what I'm seeing behind the scenes. This is what I mean. Drake is the one that pulls up to these rap battles, absolutely Like. This is what I mean. Like Drake is the one that pulls up to these rap battles Like in the fucking hood, yeah, when his horn rolls in a do-rag. Drake's the one that, if some beef pop off, is always going to say something, even over his predecessor and the guy who put him on, wayne, he pop off more than Wayne do, he does and nobody can take that away from Drake.

Speaker 3 29:22

I don't care, you know how much you try, he does and nobody can take that away from Drake, I don't care how much you try. You know what I mean. And let's be honest, we all was here for what Cole was going to do or say, because he had been rapping like that for the past few years, but at least.

Speaker 2 29:39

Drake is standing on business Facts, facts.

Speaker 1 29:41

Ten toes Yep, better respect it.

Speaker 2 29:46

His new nickname Ten Toes until these other niggas do something. So what, what, what?

Speaker 3 29:48

would you guys say is the best between the two records that drake put out the push-ups or the uh taylor made freestyle?

Speaker 1 29:56

push-ups, push-ups. I said push-ups. Me as well, I said push-ups but, but, but.

Speaker 2 30:03

But. What's a battle without a willing competitor? That's why I keep going back to Michael Jordan, when he rolled up on Magic Like nigga. Where are your shoes?

Speaker 1 30:11

It is time to go, it's like, because I don't get to see you too often.

Speaker 2 30:15

We're about 100 feet from a basketball court. Everybody's here watching. Yeah, you and me. One and two Leg up.

Speaker 3 30:25

To your point point Coop. Do you think that Kendrick thought that he could just say what he said on it's Like that and it wouldn't pop off like it? Did you know what I mean? Because that had to be part of his thought process?

Speaker 2 30:41

I don't think he saw all this hoopla coming from that record a lot of people think that I don't like kendrick, and that's just not true. I love kendrick. Good kid mad city to me, is one of the three best albums of the last 15 years. I would put my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy uh, good kid mad city and kd3 in the conversation the best rap album of the last 15 years. That's a tough story. So his ceiling is like that. Actually, when he's on his shit he doesn't have a ceiling like when he raps the rap or when he raps the way that he was rapping on damn, on feel and on element, it's like oh no, that's one of the greatest rappers who ever lived, that's greatest rapper of the generation, type stuff.

Speaker 2 31:29

Yeah, when did damn come out? Because this is what I keep trying to get people to understand is that you might be holding on to something that does not exist anymore. This man has not had a high level verse literally since my daughter was in middle school. She graduates next year from high school and is going to college Some bullshit. Yeah, that was seven years ago. That was seven years ago, right, she was playing JV ball for middle school. Then this nigga's about to graduate and I need him, quite frankly, and this is really what it seems like.

Speaker 2 32:03

You know, after Ralph Ellison wrote the Invisible man, he really only wrote one more book, and then you really didn't hear from him again. And so the Invisible man is about a final piece of work, as you will find, not just from a black author, but from an author, from an author. But how can we put him in the same category with a tony morrison, uh, a langston hughes, a web dubois, when they got works that are comparable to the invisible man, like in multiples, yes and so, yes, the public don't give a shit about your writer's block, is what I'm saying? They don't, at least not the real public. It's like I don't care shit about your writer's block, is what I'm saying? They don't, at least not the real public. It's like I don't care. If you have writer's block, you better unblock that shit.

Speaker 1 32:50

Exactly. And that means you got to be more calculated, because you're going to convince someone who's reading a book of Jay-Z. Everything that Drake is doing is something that Jay would have done in this environment Right Before Nas dropped Ether. What did he say that jay would have done in this environment right before naz dropped ether? What he said? He went to eric b to ask what should I do in this situation? Should I respond at this point? What would rod think? He went to get some feedback as to what route to go. He didn't jump out the window, he didn't just sit on his hands. He went to get feedback from the ones that he trusted that would give him honest feedback. And what he said Rob was like yo, if you want to do this, son, you got to do it.

Speaker 1 33:33

You got to go all the way through with it. You can't play around with it. Your legacy is on the line. You got to go through with it. And what he did? Say no more. Then we got Ether. Kendrick can't thought this thing out. He threw it out there. Like you said, ag, he probably thought that drake was just gonna shrug it off or make a subliminal here and there, here or there, and leave it at that. I don't think he was prepared, because who is he getting counsel from? I don't think it's getting right okay, so.

Speaker 2 34:04

So I'm gonna tell you something. The worst thing and I learned this from when I was recording the worst thing that a rapper can actually do is insulate themselves and isolate themselves. I'll never forget I was recording out of my man's house, my man's house. My man, keith, used to be Black Rob's driver. His older brother, wap, used to throw parties for Diddy Parties and clubs Paws, like the real bad boy parties that used to take place down here.

Speaker 2 34:40

Wap walked into the crib one day when I was recording and saw me recording by myself and he was like Coop, what the fuck are you doing? I was like I'm recording. He was like with who? He's like we got to get some niggas in here. He's like you don't do this shit alone. He's like this is hip hop. He was like yo, he's like he's like you either stop recording or I'm about to start calling some people. He was like don't do that shit. He was like you need the energy and the vibe of the streets, of the people around you. He's like that's where it come from, coop. He was like don't be in here recording by yourself.

Speaker 2 35:16

They from the Bronx, you know what I'm saying. They from Boogie, now by way of St Croix, you know what I'm saying. And so he was like yo, he's like, don't ever do this again. He was like you at least need about three or four or five of your hitters up in here, your core team with you, and I feel like what's really happened to Kendrick is because of the fame, the notoriety and the money oh yeah, privileged rapper applies, because now he's insulated and isolated and there is no Eric B and Rock M to go to to be like yo, god, what should the God do about the situation? You need those people around you. How about this? Sean, to quote what you said, you know why.

Speaker 2 35:58

He went to Eric B and asked Eric B and reached out to Raw. They still plugged to the pulse of the streets. Bingo, absolutely. Still plug to the pulse of the streets. Bingo, absolutely. Still plug to the pulse of the streets. Like what the street saying I should do? Og, right, gotta handle your business, young man. You have to handle your business, young man.

Speaker 1 36:16

You go to Eric B for that. You don't go to no one else for that. At that time you go to Eric B.

Speaker 3 36:20

Correct Street knowledge. Let's speak to the isolation a little bit, because Drake alluded to you know he knew Kendrick was up in his New York apartment that he just moved to.

Speaker 2 36:33

And that information. See what I'm saying. Yeah, he doubled down.

Speaker 3 36:37

He doubled down and Snoop. He said you know how to move Right, right, like what is Drake? What is the information that Drake is privy to that you know? Did Kendrick get pressed and have to move you know what I'm saying To New York, or?

Speaker 1 36:51

you know what?

Speaker 3 36:51

I'm saying it's something that Drake has, information wise that he's teasing that if Kendrick responds that he's going to, you know that's going to be the uppercut right. And let's be honest, even if Kendrick is on the clock, he's in a tight spot because the longer he takes, the more fake AI records can come out and they could say something that he could potentially, you know, want to say himself. Now he can't go to that angle because the sting ain't there, because it's already been said on an AI record and he has to flip it more clever than they did on their record. And you know, drake keeps on doing the B-Rabbit 8-mile approach, taking away all the sting from anything he can say by saying it about himself Yo talk about how he's in the underage girls or whatever he's saying, all this stuff. And the longer Kendrick takes, his ammo is dwindling.

Speaker 2 37:57

Here's how personal it's getting. This is what I mean. This is to piggyback off of your. Drake got some information. Yo, he bought up Kendrick's manager on this. Yeah, who is also Nas' manager, correct? There's a reason for that. There's a reason for that. This is chess. This is not checkers.

Speaker 3 38:17

Yes, when you got so much money, you can get in certain rooms. So if Drake know more about you know Kendrick's dealings than Kendrick know himself, that's nasty work, exactly.

Speaker 1 38:26

But AG. I told you that when you and I was talking, I was like yo, he knows more because he has more access. He has more resources, he has more access.

Speaker 2 38:36

We'll see. We'll see. Here's the thing about him holding the spot that he holds. You're really not in a position, if he walks into your room or your studio, to be like, no, you can't come in here. Fam Facts no, that's not how this game works. So he gets to really pop up and pull up wherever because it's Drake. He gets to pop up at the underground battles. He gets to pop up when the Largest Niggas is making albums. He gets to pop up when the Legends is making albums because that's the place in the space that he holds that the fans are missing, and so his access to resources and intel is more vast than the rest of these guys different.

Speaker 1 39:13

It's different cool. Think about, think about 2001, jay. How much access did he have? When jay said I got more shooters in Queensbridge than you, he's not talking about shooters in plural, he's talking about one person. And you know, for the sake of the show I'm not going to say the person's name, but he was getting intel from someone that was really close to Son at that time, because he had an issue with Son at that time.

Speaker 2 39:40

Well, here's the thing about it. I mean, I kind of know who you're talking about, I think, because Cormega mentioned in an interview around the time that he had J number and that he had talked to J, and I was like, oh, that's real nasty work going on.

Speaker 3 39:55

That's public information. So that's not you know what I mean, Because that's how the whole lyrical it's public information now.

Speaker 2 40:03

Ag. It's public information now. Hb. It's public information now.

Speaker 3 40:08

I knew beforehand. That's how lyrical exercise came about, because that was Megaspeed first.

Speaker 1 40:13

I can't say that it's Queensbridge politics. I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 40:17

Well, I ain't in Queens, so I ain't trying to touch no Queensbridge politics.

Speaker 1 40:25

Love, is love now, absolutely.

Speaker 3 40:26

Absolutely.

Speaker 1 40:28

We may have core coming up soon. So love is love, absolutely, yeah, but Jay was saying those things to say yo, I got shooters out there too, because he's getting intel At this time. Jay had resources, he had money, he had access, he had power. So he had everything in his hand to be able to get whatever information he needed. Now magnify that times 10 with Drake, because Drake's resources are bigger paws than what Jay resources. Jay resources were more street resources, right, those he can reach out and touch in that capacity. Drake resources, you're talking about the big wigs. You're talking about the executive of the executive. You're talking about the senior executives.

Speaker 2 41:10

And media media radio magazine.

Speaker 1 41:13

A lot of pillar talking going on. Right, because he's feeding them as well. Pause, he's putting money in their pockets. Because why? He's a juggernaut, he's the biggest thing. Pause, he's the earner. He's the biggest thing, paul, he's the earner, he's the one, he's the biggest earner on the block.

Speaker 1 41:28

He's the biggest earner on the block. You take him out, you're going to have a vacuum of resources depleted. So what do you think they're going to do? Hey man, kendrick got this going on. How do you think Drake found out that Kendrick got writer's block? You think he got that just from just some random Joe Schmo? Nah, he got somebody who Kendrick said yo, I'm struggling right now to write a rhyme. I'm having a block right now.

Speaker 2 41:53

That's why he's getting at him. He knows what's going on with him personally. He knows and here's what I mean about how the battle doesn't have rules, it really don't matter how we know, just matter that he knows that, he knows Right, using it to his advantage, and so so let's juxtapose this right. This, like like this, is revered as Kendrick is in the hip hop community. Yeah, he's still not revered the way Nas was around the time. That's going on. Not at all. And and and even for his revered not as Nas was. Even with Illmatic and it was written under his belt and even with all the platinum plaques under his belt, it took an ether level record to restore the balance. Big facts.

Speaker 3 42:41

Well, I think you know just the balance, big facts. Well, I think you know just the I don't really want to say it's a difference of opinion coop, because I agree with that, but I think it's just a sign of the times we're in, in the in the era, because back then you had to. You know, you had to put out there what side of the fence you was on. You know, when a line was drawn in the sand you had to say, okay, I'm riding with this person, I'm riding with that person. And that was that. And you was a fan and we was ready to be in fistfights with cats. We was cool with over. You know the battle at the time.

Speaker 3 43:15

But I think now it's just more so. People are here for the show of it, the music, and they'll be quick to jump ship. Like, you know, I'm saying, if kendrick put out a you know, I'm saying a hot disc track, the ones that was, you know, riding for drake would jump on that side.

Speaker 2 43:30

I think that's more a time and thing, how it is in 2024 ag, I agree with you to a degree, but there have still been lines drawn like for me, it's like when all this happened. It's like I'm taking coal. Then he apologized. I was like I don't want to talk about him, no more, give me right, right he's eliminated.

Speaker 3 43:50

you know what? You know what's wild? My son, kendrick, is his favorite rapper, right, which is funny because you know, damn came out when, you know he was in middle school as well, so and that's when he was introduced to kendrick. But but Drake is a second favorite rapper, but he's team Drake all the way, cause he was like yo, everybody in the industry trying to get rid of man's. You know what I'm saying. So I'm going to like root for this guy, cause he's the underdog, like it don't make no sense, like he can see the ways of the industry where you know he could be objective and say, okay, everybody gassing what Kendrick is doing but downplaying what Drake is doing. So I'm going to ride with that guy over there because I want to see him win. You know what I mean. So that's what I said on the other show Like we've never seen a position like this before, where the top dog also be the underdog.

Speaker 1 44:42

But you said top dog. No pun intended. I'm going to ask both of you guys this question because that brings up a point for me. Ag, If you think about and again I hate to keep throwing the parallels between Nas and Jay, I think the magnitude is just on that same level.

Speaker 3 45:02

That's the bar.

Speaker 2 45:04

That's our template. That's our template. That's our modern day template for what a rap battle is supposed to look like Absolutely.

Speaker 1 45:11

I want to ask you both this, because you think about it when Jay attacked Nas and Prodigy, both of those guys were vulnerable. You think about the time when he attacked Prodigy? Prodigy had just came off of HNIC. Hnic be projected to do it just as good as murder music, because prodigy was at a high clip at that time. Prodigy was cooking at that time and h and ic did not reach the goals that they thought it was going to make. He, you know, only get on gold. Jay saw that and was like, oh, you want to win gold. You're not on my level. I'm going at you now.

Speaker 1 45:46

This is the right time to strike Nas also on not so much as a downside, but he was maxing, he said himself in the middle of that Jay tried to sneak attack. Nas had personal things going on. We just came off of QB's finest, we just came off of Nostradamus. So there was some mumblings around that right. Jay saw that like, okay, son is not, he's not 96, 97 Nas, right now. He's not. Hate me now, nas, right now. So let me, it's time to strike. Can you guys do you think that this is very similar to where where Drake is at at this point, like If Drake was at his high high clip, he just came off of some good records over the past couple years. Now they were kind of basic. He's not coming off of Scorpion, he's coming off of other things collaborations and things that wasn't that great. You think this is the right time, the opportune time for them to attack him?

Speaker 2 46:43

AG, you want to take it or you want me to go.

Speaker 3 46:47

Just real quick and then I'll let you speak. On the coup, I think, where Drake was on tour, that made him a little bit vulnerable to the attack, but he got time. Now I remember listening to Joe and half the time I disagree with Joe, half the time I do agree with him, but I will give him credit for saying you know that's prime time to attack a rapper because they don't have time to, you know, really lock in the studio, they got to focus on their show, their set, make sure everything great. But yeah, he's off tour now and he got time, you know. So I think that you know he's ready for whatever going forward and he's like to coop's point. He's probably the pettiest rapper ever outside of jay and you know I think he's going to keep on um going down this path till it's a resolution, you know and what I mean by resolution where it's a clear-cut victor yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 47:44

So this is what I mean about Drake having old-school rapper sensibilities. Well, what Jay seen, even past the record sales with Prodigy and past the personal stuff that was going on with Nas' familial situation on two levels, was the fact that, quite frankly, everybody that follows me and has on two levels was the fact that, quite frankly and you know, everybody that follows me and has followed me for years know how I feel about Prodigy HNIC is a big drop-off from infamous Hell on Earth and Murder Music level of making music. Nostradamus and QB's Finest has its moments, but outside of Find your Wealth and self-conscious yup. And so what Jay really did because Jay is ahead, he's like well, their quality of music making has dropped off and I'm at my zenith still. That's where the attack like all that other stuff are ancillary pieces to the fact is like yo, what that shit sound like? Because Murder Music got like 10 classic records on there.

Speaker 2 48:51

Yeah, hnic has like I love P, but it had like two classic records on there. And here's where the real vulnerability for Prodigy came. Oh, havoc didn't executive produce hnic and jay. And jay saw it's like oh, when you don't have your mans on the boards, your shit's different coming for your ass.

Speaker 3 49:18

Well, let's speak. Let's speak to this too, because I don't think this is something that people really talk about. You know, with this whole united front against Drake, you got Metro Future and you know Kanye saying, yo Don, I got you. You know what I mean. Kendrick don't want his help, but anyway, it's a united front of everybody coming at Drake. Be clear that Jay-Z knew before he released TakeOver, going to Prodigy and Nas, he knew that they weren't on the best of terms. You know what I mean, because you didn't want the United QB front coming at you. You know what I'm saying. So it's a divide and conquer kind of thing Because, let's be real, it didn't do Prodigy any favors that Jay-Z went at him at TakeOver and then Nas went at him on Destroy and Rebuild. That battle looks a little bit different if P and Nas are united. I disagree with that.

Speaker 1 50:12

Okay, go ahead, tell me more, because Jay didn't know that Nas and P was at it. Jay forgot. Jay threw the line out there to P because he knew Nas around the corner. You don't throw P out there without knowing that Nas is somewhere close by. That's why he didn't drop that third verse until Nas said something, until after Right, when Nas acknowledged that verse. That's when that third verse came in. He didn't know that Nas and P was at odds Because, keep in mind, nas and P just collaborated. It was only a couple of months apart that's true on Nostradamus.

Speaker 3 50:50

Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 50:51

Nostradamus and on QB's Finest. So QB's Finest was when Nas and P started having a little bit of friction.

Speaker 3 50:57

But because P was one to do the compilation first.

Speaker 2 51:01

But yeah, right well, well, I mean first of all. I mean, and Sean you can. I mean and Sean, you can probably speak to this more than I can. Some of the pushback about P doing the compilation is that some niggas is like, but you really from Hempstead, so a nigga from QB need to do the QB album Right. But it always goes back to the music. Now go listen to Family on Nostradamus, yep. Now go back and listen to Give it Up Fast and Live Nigga Rap. Oh, the chemistry is not the same, it's different.

Speaker 3 51:37

The chemistry is not the same.

Speaker 2 51:38

Jay is ahead, jay is ahead. Jay hears the chemistry not the same. And so he's like I don't know if there's something, but musically there's definitely something going on. Let me go ahead and dig a little bit and see if there's a little bit more. And Jay's a smart dude, cause Jay's still a street dude at the end of the day. And he was right there was more. He just didn't know, but he would. But like a real hustler gonna do he like? No, no, no, let me roll around the block right quick. See what these niggas doing. Let me see if they're still getting money together or if they're just acting like they're getting money together.

Speaker 1 52:14

Right, absolutely Great points, fellas, great points. Y'all want to move a little bit, want to get back to, I mean, we we can do this all day, so we can slide.

Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik 30th Anniversary

Speaker 3 52:28

We're potting, we're potting. But yeah, you know what I'm saying, get into what we came here for. You know what I'm saying? Get Coop the ISO real quick. We got to get Coop the.

Speaker 2 52:39

ISO. Let's go. Coop Gentlemen. Yeah, talk to us. Southern playalistic cadillac music by outcast, and it's funny, I'm actually not going to slide too far when I was doing my dig uh about ilmatic to try to get some new information, some of the new information that I uncovered is that, well, the staff at the source had to beg the music editor at the time to give Illmatic the five. I forget the gentleman's name. I have it written down somewhere in my notes. I'd have to peel through it. I don't have time to peel through all my notes because I take a lot of notes, but part of why the Chronic only got four and a half is because the music editor that took over the year the Chronic came out said we're not giving out no more fives. So the fives before the chronic are Let the Rhythm Hit Him by Eric B and Rakim, all for One by Brand. Nubian Instinctive Travels by Tribe. I feel like I'm missing one. Oh, did America's Most get the five? I?

Speaker 3 53:41

think it was Cube yeah.

Speaker 2 53:43

Yeah, America's Most got the five. Yeah, the music editor of the Source shut all that shit down, and so what a lot of people don't know is that it took the staff being like yo, you gotta hand this five out, we gotta give this five out. Okay, and listen to what I'm about to say. The only reason Southern Playalistic didn't get the 5 is because they had to fight to give a New York nigga from Queensbridge the 5. So two rappers from Atlanta that have only released a single that actually was on a Christmas compilation they not getting no 5. But Southern Playalistic Cadillac music is the 5 and it's really Right, it's fact. But Southern Playalistic Cadillac music is the five and it's really. It's not just like.

Speaker 2 54:34

Let me try to explain how groundbreaking this album is just for Southern rappers. Much like how there's how rappers rap before Rock M came along. Southern Playalistic is a Southern rapper's album where it's like oh no, everybody had to step their fucking game up after Southern Playalistic. And that's where I want to start, because Ghetto Boys, UGK, 8 Ball and MJG 3, 6 Mafia go listen to their projects before Southern play a listic and go listen to the rhymes and the rhyme style and go listen to how they sound after southern play a list. It came out. Go listen to bun b and scarface before southern play a listic and go listen after southern play a listic has a rock m paid in full like effect in the effect that it upped the antis for all the rappers down here, even the ones that preceded outcast. That's part of what makes it so groundbreaking down here. It didn't just cross and bleed over to the west and to the east. It made the other rappers who came before them that laid the foundation step their fucking rap game up. Bun B is not the MC that he is on on on riding dirty. Oh no, that's the first time Bun had rapped at that level consistently.

Speaker 2 56:05

Face is one of my top five MCs. The diary comes out december of 94. Okay, go listen to the way the scarface is rapping on his first two solo albums and then go listen to the diary. His rap style got better, his rap style changed. And so Southern Playalistic isn't just important and groundbreaking because it crossed over. It made everybody who came before them that laid the foundation be like oh hold on, these dudes are on to something. They made the people that they looked up to step their rap game up.

Speaker 2 56:51

The South never rapped the same after Southern Playalistic, because Andre and big boy were really the first MCs that we had that we could really take around and be like no, I got somebody that can rhyme with your guy. Yeah, I got two guys that can rhyme with your guys. Right, we were making dope ass records, mostly Scarface and some of the 8 Ball and MJG. 8 Ball and MJG is coming out hard. Ugk's first joint, Ghetto Boys we Can't Be Stopped. Scarface's first album those are all classics, but they're classics for the beats and the feels and the structure and the songwriting that they provided it wasn't lyrical. Cast made it cool to be lyrical down here. This wasn't a lyrical culture before OutKast made Southern Playalistic. You understand what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 57:47

Yep, I can see that, and so the most groundbreaking thing is how they actually affected their peers. That's always the best way to judge how great somebody is. We can talk all the day till we're blue in the face. You know what I'm saying. But when you make your peers that come before you step their game up, and your peers that come before you step their game up, and your peers that come after you step their game up, and you can get the respect from the dudes in Compton and the respect from the dudes in Brooklyn and Bronx and Uptown and QB. That's what makes it so groundbreaking and landmark. Landmark because and here's the thing about it they did it their way. We did it the southern way. Because and here's the thing about it they did it their way, we did it the southern way.

Speaker 2 58:30

When you listen to the intro, it's this chick named peach is talking on the intro and she's got a distinct southern twang. But if you actually listen to the background, these niggas are playing live instruments on the intro to the album. Guys, nobody in the south had ever really done that before, because we learn, quite frankly, from the east coast and the west coast, guys, so it's a lot of boom bap going on. Southern playalistic isn't a boom bap rap album, it's a live instrumentation rap album, actually, and the first of its kind. If you go to funky ride, which is track 10 on there, nobody had ever actually had a hip hop classic where a nigga didn't rap on a whole record.

Speaker 3 59:14

It's like a live funk session, it is.

Speaker 2 59:18

That's what I was saying last week about Organized Noise and Rico Wade and how important that he was, because they wanted to do it the Southern way. So the incorporation of the blues, funk, jazz came into play, but they kept it succinctly Southern and succinctly Atlanta. Now here's something that I want to share with you. Big Boy has always been holding this group down. When you listen to the first album it's hard to tell because you feel like they're going back and forth. But when I listened again over the last couple days I realized it's like you want to know what dre's always been riffing like this. Right, it's just the whole team's been behind him the whole time, and nevermore was the team in function than they were to make sure that they put atlanta and the south on the map the right way. Nobody has understood the assignment of what they were up against in the history of rap, the way the dungeon family understood the assignment for Southern playlist. The assignment was to level up the culture of Southern hip hop, and no album understands the assignment better than that, and so there's a approach that is really directed at making sure you know that we're from Atlanta and we can rap with y'all. That's the focus of Southern Playalistic and why it's so important. I know a lot of East Coast cats feel that ATLians is their best album. You all feel that way album. You all feel that way. You all feel that way Because ATLians doesn't have the live instrumentation that Southern Playalistic does.

Speaker 2 1:00:54

It has the traditional boom bap, it has the MPC beat machine. In effect, that's because Outkast had learned how to make beats from watching Rico Okay, so Rico. Outkast had learned how to make beats from watching Rico Okay, so Rico and them didn't do a lot of the tracks on ATL. They did half of ATL. They did all of Southern Playalistic. Okay, and just the verbiage you have to understand. There are interludes welcome to Atlanta. They're literally shouting out, letting you know where they're from east point, college park, decatur. If you look at the georgia dome, it still flies the confederate battle flag. That's letting the people know we're dealing with oppression. It's a different type of oppression than what you're dealing with in your project buildings or or in your gang culture in Compton. Our oppression down here isn't gang culture, it's not the streets and the crooked cops, it's the institutional racism. And so this album, content wise, has more of a message than most of the classic rap albums made around that time, like there are classic rap albums that have a social consciousness to them. For a couple of records Like the Chronic has Lil' Ghetto Boy and the Day the Niggas Took Over, but other than that it's a fucking gangster party.

Speaker 2 1:02:19

We just got done talking about Illmatic. Well, illmatic really doesn't have culture commentary. That's QB commentary that we can all relate to. Hood to hood. There are records on here like claiming true crumbling herb, get up, get out. It's speaking more to the level of oppression and racism we're facing down here in the South.

Speaker 2 1:02:41

Yeah, andre on this album makes specific references to how he's struggling to graduate from high school and this is what I mean about big boy holding the group down Even back then while Dre is talking about. You know his struggles. I'm making 300 on my SAT, yet I am equal to graduate is really becoming a very stressful journey. I feel like a steering wheel because they is trying to turn me into a hate monger and I'm wishing and I wonder, damn. Wheel, because they is trying to turn me into a hate monger and I'm wishing and I wonder, damn, will I graduate before I hit the summer?

Speaker 2 1:03:10

Andre's not 10 toes down with the rap life on southern playalistic right. He's still trying to figure out if he wants to rap or if he wants to use his gifts and go off to school. He still is. He still is. That's what mean. If you go back and listen, you will understand that it's like oh no, he's always been riffing. He's just riffing about different things. The teenage version of him is concerned with his graduation from high school and why it's not happening, because he feels like he's becoming a victim to the streets. Big Boy has already chosen the streets on Southern Playlist.

Speaker 2 1:03:44

Right and so my friend on the road again. Again I'm traveling about 65 on 85 up in my cadillac. I got that nigga drahe riding shotgun and got my pump up on the seat in case these youngsters want to have some fun. You know big boys like nah. I'm out here, I'm slanging, we about to make this rap. Shit work.

Speaker 2 1:04:02

Dre's the one that's riffing still on southern playalistic and it provides that balance right and the balance just elevated itself over the years, almost until andre elevated himself to a space that he didn't want to rap anymore. But when we go back and listen to it, he was always questioning whether he should be rapping. You're right, because he's always y'all telling me that I need to get out and vote. Huh, why ain't nobody black running but crack curve? So while I got the register, I'm thinking of better shit to do with my time. What he say never smell the aroma of diploma. He's talking about his school. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so a lot of the things that we saw in them later. We just weren't paying attention. They actually existed early and I was like, oh damn, I missed that Right.

Speaker 2 1:04:54

But the theme and the motif of the album is to put Atlanta on the map. When Gip is on Get Up, get Out, he's letting you know I'm out, the point, the Campbellton Road, the Valley of the South Side flow, they're letting you know where they're at and what they're going through. And so they realized that nobody had ever talked about Atlanta. Everybody used to come down to Atlanta and party and have fun and freak Nick and come kick it with JD and like all that, but nobody had ever really talked about the streets of Atlanta. Southern play holistic is the rap album where they actually talk about the streets of Atlanta. We went to underground. We seen a lot of hoes around, like that was true. I remember when my big cousin who put me on the hip-hop, took me to underground for the first time he was like, come with me, we gonna go shopping I was like I was walking with him for about 10 minutes I seen all the girls down in underground.

Speaker 2 1:05:42

I was like you sure we here to shop cuz Cause? He's like, well, if we get something from a store we'll be good. I was like I don't think you came down here to go to the store. So they spoke the pieces of Atlanta that out of towners knew about but never expressed on record because they weren't from there. These guys made it life. They made it reality for all of us down here from there, these guys made it life.

Speaker 2 1:06:09

They made it reality for all of us down here, right, right. So it's very much illmatic like, in the sense that it's like naz had the responsibility putting qb back on the map. These niggas had the whole city on their back. That's why they're talking about campbellton, east point, decatur, the swats college park. The responsibility of the whole city was on their back, because what makes atlanta is all the ancillary parts the east side, the south side, the west side and the actual city. And that's what I mean about them understanding the assignment. They executed to perfection to make sure you knew exactly what the fuck atlanta was really about, and it ain't the type of place that you should come down and party to.

Speaker 2 1:06:49

You can go to fucking chill in Ben Hill if you want to Like Ben Hill. If you ride Campbellton Road up, it takes you to Ben Hill. That's actually where Cam Newton is from. Like niggas from Ben Hill, don't play. Like niggas from QB, don't play. You know what I'm saying, and so they're kind of letting you know. It's like nah, we on the same shit that you on. If you listen to ain't no thing. That's a Drake cocking a gun. At the beginning of it he's literally loading up and cocking the clip to a gun. Talk about niggas in the point ain't changed. Niggas in the point ain't changed. That's why he's cocking the gun.

Speaker 2 1:07:23

He's letting you know no it can get got down here too, like we rolling like that down here too, like there ain't no punk in us, you know. And so they just understood the assignment while providing that social commentary, and so it's a marvelous piece of work. They blended everything so perfectly. They blended the boom back with the live instrumentation. They blended the street with the conscious. They blended the educational struggles with the street struggles. That was always the thing with Big Boi and Andre. One of them is a poet, one of them is a street dude. The blend has always been there, and it's the most important rap album to ever come out of the South. It got the acclaim, it did the numbers, but it's their street album, and they made a street album for Atlanta in a time, in order to get respect in other places, you had to do something for your streets first. So it's very much like a straight out of Compton, a criminal minded it's. It's the same ethos that's going on, it's just with our Southern rap sensibilities, and it's just a super important album in that regard.

Speaker 2 1:08:34

Dre never rapped like this again after this album. That's how you know that it was a concerted effort to make this project this way. The shit that Dre talks on this album. He never raps like this again, not even remotely. You know, 3-5-7 to your foe head, they'll be mo' dead. Dre, don't talk like that. Dre don't be talking. No killer shit on no other album do he? Even by the time they got to Benz or Beamer in 95, which is literally a year later, he's not talking like that. The world is yelling hooty hoobit in my pocket. Nothing but gum and lint. The sum the shit up. I'm broke. Nothing but hopes. A big boy telling what you told, but big boy still talking that street shit, right coming off the jersey with four keys off in my trunk and thinking of starting ways to get that motherfucker crunk.

Speaker 2 1:09:20

But that dichotomy always worked though say what that dichotomy always worked though you know yeah, it worked early on. There are peanut butter and jelly. This is where the this is. This is the first peanut butter and jelly sandwich we got. You know I'm saying remember the first time you ate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich? He's like damn moms know how to hook it up.

Speaker 2 1:09:38

That's what this rap album is for southern rap listeners, and it's not just that they fulfilled the aesthetic of of supplying us in the south with dope, they supplied all of y'all with dope hip hop music. It was something that y'all could listen to and enjoy. Be like man. These Southern dudes really know how to rap. Oh, it's like oh, these niggas is on the shit that we on. They got their streets and their corners too. They got their spots too, and so it connected very much in the same way Illmatic did for us down. Here is the way Southern Playalistic connected for y'all. It's like oh, no, them dudes is like us. You know we're not that different. You got your hood shit, I got my hood shit. It's just the hoods down here are a little bit more divided, but it's very much the way the boroughs are divided. It's like the Swats. Is Southwest Atlanta, southwest Atlanta too strong. That's what the Swats stand for. Decatur is Eastside but they rep in both because they understand they got to rep for everybody.

Speaker 2 1:10:33

Gip is from East Point. I think he went to East Point High, you know what I'm saying. Hedlund and DeLoe is in East Point. That's why they rep East Point so hard on this album, because the album got made in East point in the dungeon at rico wade's mama house, right, and so they just bought it all together. They had the pressure, they had the expectations and they still said fuck it and did their own thing. Uh, get up, get out is the best posse cut ever. Nobody ever talks about. When we talk about greatest posse cuts of all time. Get up, get out doesn't ever get mentioned. You're going to be hard pressed to find two all-time great verses, two all-time great verses on a posse cut. This side of the symphony outside of get up, get out, like the last time. I can think of two people that came the way silo and andre did on a track that is classic and that everybody knows the words to is G-Rap and Kane on the symphony.

Speaker 2 1:11:32

So they're operating at a certain level and the level is beautiful and we had never seen anything like it before. They made us believe. Guys Like Illmatic made me want to rap Southern Playalistic let me know that I could. I didn't believe that I could rap, I just wanted to rap Southern Playalistic. Let me know that I could. I didn't believe that I could rap, I just wanted to rap. I was like yo. I was like the way he describing the neighborhood because I'm a writer makes me want to write.

Speaker 2 1:11:56

But niggas down here, don't rap like that. We listen to Kilo. Do you hear what I hear? That boom, that boom. Booty shake. Uncle Luke, that was the thing down here. Doodoo Brown that was the thing down here. Atlanta Live that was the thing. They changed the whole thing. Like when I mean they changed it overnight, I mean they changed it overnight. It was like one. It's like one day we was crawling and we was just shaking our asses. The booty shake music and the BPMs was like 126 bpms. And here these niggas come with live guitars and drums and intricate rhyme patterns and thoughtful rhymes right I don't recall ever graduating at all.

Speaker 2 1:12:40

Sometimes I feel like I'm just a disappointment to y'all. We didn't talk like that before, not down here. They changed the way that we talk and they got us our respect, at the same time, without losing any of the Southern sensibilities. They made it a point to kind of keep the Southern sensibilities alive, even on ATL when you listen to stuff called Wheels of Steel. Wheels of Steel is their version of Hip Hop. Booty Shake the BPMs of that song. That's more traditional of what Atlanta sounded like before Outkastcast and goody came along.

Speaker 2 1:13:08

But this is the album and the only reason it didn't get a five is because, well, the greatest rap album of all time got released a week before. But this album isn't that far behind. There's no skips on this project. Even the interludes are important, like. I'll tell you guys something. I listened to the interlude today and I forgot what made me fall in love with them. What made me fall in love with them was the name of the group outcast, the fine outcast adjective meaning homeless or unaccepted in society. So I'm going to tell you, as a southerner, why I related.

Speaker 2 1:13:42

You guys listen to the way I talk. Right, I'm from Charlotte. I was raised in Atlanta. Most dudes in Charlotte Atlanta don't talk like me. I was an outcast. People always used to be like yo why? Why, coop, talk like he from up top? Why coop don't talk like us? And so they made me feel okay with being an outcast, even in my own Southern upbringing upbringing because I didn't sound or talk like anybody else. First of all, my mom and my aunts worked in customer service. Beat my ass for talking that slang. Beat your ass, beat your ass.

Speaker 2 1:14:17

You know what I'm saying I wasn't allowed to talk like that in my home. My mom and my aunts are extremely articulate and well-spoken women. They do not play that shit. So it was a requirement in my home to be thoughtful and articulate and not to talk the way the dudes in the neighborhood was talking. But people used to get on me all the time about the way that I talked when I was growing up and I used to tell them I'd be like I'm gonna rip this shit harder than you, and they'd be like how, I'll be like because I'm gonna get out of here. And so they made me feel comfortable in my own skin just by the name of their group, like they're so important to me personally because of that and I had forgotten that until I heard big groups speak today I was like, yeah, I was like.

Speaker 2 1:14:58

I remember when I felt like an outcast. Part of the reason why I rep Atlanta and Charlotte so hard is because I never sounded like I was from down here. I don't sound like the dudes down here don't talk like me, and I've always known that, you know. And so it's almost like that thing. It's like when you're the smallest nigga on the block, so you got to be the toughest nigga on the block because you're the smallest nigga on the block, but when you're the only nigga on the block without a seven twang, how you think that shit play in the neighborhood?

Speaker 2 1:15:24

because it don't play well shit don't play well, you know. I'm saying like like sean, imagine you being in corona at 13 years old and a dude living up there that has a succinctly southern drawing dialect. Shit ain't gonna play well with the neighborhood. That's what I went through growing up down here, and so they were my safe space. They made me feel okay, it's like, yeah, I different, but it's okay they're different. Like these are Southern guys that can rap, like East Coast guys I can do that. They made me believe.

Speaker 3 1:15:57

Can I speak to that for a second Coop? Just the whole, because myself I'm from West Virginia, right? So stop it, sean my bad'm from West Virginia, right, so stop it, sean, my bad. That's crazy though. But we're regionless. But we're regionless here, but geographically we're closer to the south. Now you got to rewind back to 94. 94 was an era where the West Coast was running the radio waves but my musical palette I would gravitate towards the east coast sound and what?

Speaker 3 1:16:35

prior to this, the only southern act that I listened to was Ghetto Boys. At one time, scarface was my second favorite rapper behind Ice Cube, until I discovered Nas in 94. So we're at a point. What's that?

Speaker 2 1:16:50

Same here. Oh, that's what's up Great mind right.

Speaker 3 1:16:55

But so Southern Playalistic came out at a pivotal moment for me because, like I said, west Coast was running things. My palate was East Coast. There wasn't too many down South acts that I was checking for, even though geographically I was closer. But Southern Playalistic came out and I really felt the way that they were spitting, that I could listen to Doggystyle, I could listen to 36 Chambers, I could listen to Illmatic and then put on Southern Playalistic and it wasn't a drop-off. You know what I mean. You could play that album amongst all the other dope lyrical albums. If you wanted that west coast g-funk, you could still put on southern play a list it sonically, and it could go, you know, like toe-to-toe with any of those g-funk records. So I think it was a, you know, an album that really planted the flag in the ground for them. You know what I mean. It was putting Atlanta on the map.

Speaker 3 1:17:51

And then, for me personally, atl is my favorite OutKast album. It's what cemented that, because, to Coop's point, that's what made me a fan, because I'm like, oh, they rapping. Rapping Like Nas, like Jay, like Big, especially Dre. He's rapping at that elite level. But Southern Playalistic was the genesis of all that. That, you know, perked up my ear and made me really take notice, like, okay, these guys I can put in the mix with the other guys that I hold up high. You know what I mean, whether it be from the West or up top from New York. So that's what the album meant to me.

Speaker 2 1:18:33

That's a good point, eji. There are so many regional things about the album that people didn't understand at the time and this is what I mean. They made it for everybody, but they still made it for Atlanta, like the interlude, flim Flam. And when he's talking about 18, care, go off, I can care from white folks in Bankhead, buckhead. Well, if you're from down here, that makes you laugh, because Bankhead is the roughest part of West Side. Atlanta. Buckhead is the richest white neighborhood. So when he said Bankhead, buckhead and he slipped up like that, oh, that was inside information, inside joke for all of us in Atlanta that knew it's like oh no, this nigga out here slumming. He got some bullshit from Bankhead trying to make it seem like it's from Buckhead. That's two different worlds down here. That's literally like going from QB to Manhattan, you know. And so it still kept its personal nuance. They still made it for us, but they made it digestible for everybody else. And that's what I mean about them understanding the assignment and how. Nobody understood the assignment like that. They kept it succinctly, atlanta, to keep their reputation and their foundation strong down here.

Speaker 2 1:19:36

But it was hard to deny the fact that the sensibilities went beyond the borders of Atlanta. It's truly the only rap album of its kind in that regard where it kept it succinctly Atlanta, but it transferred to the West. It transferred to the East and this is what I mean. It's succinctly onto its own. All the great East Coast and West Coast albums transferred down here. Name the rap album before Southern Playalistic that transfers like Southern Playalistic because the next album that's like that is the Diary. But. But the diary comes out seven months after southern play a list, not before. We had never had an album transfer like that. The chronic and doggy style is transferring america's most in death certificates. Transferring life is too short is transferring illmatic 36 low end theory, midnight marauders transferring. My cousin used to run around singing benito Applebon off People's Instinctives. I didn't know what the fuck he was singing. It transferred.

Speaker 2 1:20:35

This is our first album that transferred to the masses but it didn't feel like they were trying to transfer it. It still feels like they made it for us. The same way it still feels like nas made ilmatic for queens. That's why it's so ironic that these albums came out a week apart, because they kind of had the same goals in mind. It's like no, I want to rep my neighborhood. It just so happens. They rep the neighborhood so well that it went everywhere. But east coast albums had done that before. Every nigga on the west coast had a copy of paid in full. Don't tell me that they didn't. I knew who rock m was before I'd ever heard one of his albums in full. He had transferred. I knew krs1 was before any I heard any of his albums in full. He transferred. The first rap album that I listened to from beginning to end was the greatest adventures of slick rick. It transferred. This is our transfer piece and it's a classic transfer piece.

Speaker 1 1:21:42

No doubt 94 was so heavy 94, you had Illmatic, you had Ready to Die. You had JRuda Damager. You had Craig Mack you had the G-Funk era was still there. You had. You know, you still was coming off of Wu-Tang you had. You had Met the man that same year, 94. So it was just a lot of stuff around.

Speaker 1 1:22:04

You know, any act from outside of New York for me, for young me, I was 14 in 94. I had just turned 14 the week after Southern Playlist came out. But at that time I was pretty much putting Atlanta in the same box as Florida, to be quite honest, because back then you had the booty music. We called it the booty music. We were like yo, we got guys wearing Miami Hurricane outfits doing a butterfly.

Speaker 1 1:22:31

It was weird, like that's wild, to see guys wearing you know Miami Hurricane's outfits and doing a butterfly, because we didn't understand that we were like wearing baggy jeans, tim Bowles dragging the floor, it was that it wasn't wearing you know Miami Hurricane gear, doing a butterfly and dancing all over the place. So we kind of put I don't say we, I kind of put Outkast in that same box. You know what I'm saying, because it was more like I didn't want to give them a chance just yet, because, again, this is another group out of the South. During that time the South was really just kind of doing a lot of dance music, like you said, coop. It was more of like that bass music Boom, boom.

Speaker 2 1:23:12

That bass music was going crazy. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Big booty hoes hop with it.

Speaker 1 1:23:16

Yeah, right, when Andre made that comment at the Source Awards and we're all in the same age group, we're all in our early 40s. We remember the Source Awards in 95. It was the biggest thing Paul's in hip hop at that time maybe still one of the biggest events ever in hip hop because so much happened at the Source Awards.

Speaker 2 1:23:38

Right Sean. The Source Awards is the top 10 moment in hip hop history history, and the most memorable moment about the Source Awards might be the fact that a Southern rapper got on stage while he was getting booed and be like, hey, you got a demo and nobody listened to it, but all I got to say is that the South got something to say.

Speaker 1 1:23:57

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 1:23:59

Those two most famous.

Speaker 2 1:24:00

Well, yes, I'm about to say the Andre moment.

Speaker 3 1:24:05

The East Coast thing. I love for Snoop Dogg. Those are the top three quotes from that night. The top three quotes, so imagine young me, 14 years old.

Speaker 1 1:24:13

I'm seeing this guy coming on stage saying that the South got something to say. We showed it in our promo in the beginning. The South got something to say. I had to go back and listen to that because I got relatives that you know from that area were like yo, you need to get on this, you need to, I need you to hear Hootie Hoo. That was the first song I heard off of Southern Playlist.

Speaker 2 1:24:35

It was Hootie Hoo. So what's crazy and I don't mean to cut you off, yeah, go ahead. This is what was so important about them. It wasn't the singles that blew them up, it was Hootie who. It was the players call Hootie who is the players call Follow the funk from the skank. That is dank, that it's crunk, which is the first time anybody I heard anybody use the word crunk, Big boys using the word crunk in 94 on Hootie who. It goes on and on and on like that, going out to the Jeeps and the hoes and the lat. We ain't talking about Benzes and Infinities and BMWs. No, dre is talking about rolling reefer out of a Regal. We riding in Cadillacs and Regals down here. Right, we're not riding around in Benzes Like we wasn't doing that back then.

Speaker 1 1:25:20

No, not at all. Not at all. It was foreign to us at that time, because, again, you're talking about you still, we're literally still in the G-Funk era and we're also crossing over into the hardcore boom bap era for New York. Because you had, there was a dark side that was very dark, illmatic, was really dark, right, ready to Die was dark, so was.

Speaker 2 1:25:47

The Sun Rises in the East by JRu. All those albums are dark. It was dark.

Speaker 1 1:25:51

So we were coming off of that and, like AG said for me, the first song, the intro, and the first song, the Southern Playalistic it played into the algorithm to me of the East Coast Because you got my intro to let you know I was like yo, who are these guys? They came out of nowhere, from the South and it was spitting. And again I'm a year removed from that. I'm like I'm catching back. This is 95. I'm 15 now going back to listen to an album that came out in 94. Because we were listening to Brat, more so than we were listening to Outkast during that time too, because the Brat was killing it.

Speaker 2 1:26:30

Chris Cross was killing it before then Fungify the classic yeah Fungify by the Brat is a classic. It's still my favorite female rap album.

Speaker 1 1:26:41

It was going crazy, you had to respect it. So we had to circle back to Southern Playholistic. And when we circled back, it was like oh, hoot, you had to respect it. So we had to circle back to Southern Playholistic. And when we circled back, it was like oh, hooty-hoo, oh, claiming true. Oh, my intro led to that, you know. Oh, okay, this what?

Speaker 2 1:26:58

y'all doing it was different. So this is what I mean. So, even on my intro to let you know, this is what I mean about how they balance so well keeping in Atlanta but reaching people like you. So when big boy's rapping chilling off in the ghettos or should I be saying lakewood you better be strapped because them niggas over there just ain't good. Look here, last year, a rapper that I know, that I was trying to help put on one of his mans at a gas station in lakewood, got into a shootout and it got on camera and it made the news and all I thought about was big, big boys verse on intro to let you know. And I was like, damn, I'm like the niggas in Lakewood still ain't up to no good. Right, it's fucking 2023.

Speaker 2 1:27:36

They released that album in 94. He was putting us on the map, but he was still feeding into a hip hop aesthetic where it was pleasing to you. That's what I mean. They, that's what I mean. They're shouting out all the neighborhoods Lakewood, campbellton Road, decatur, the Swats, east Point, college Park. It was important to us. We didn't have that representation before. Like they repped us to the fullest, but they repped hip hop to the fullest too. We never had anything like that. No doubt, no doubt. Let me ask you all this?

Speaker 1 1:28:12

Where do y'all rank Outkast amongst the duos of hip-hop? Not so much as the groups that's a tall task but the duos of hip-hop.

Speaker 3 1:28:19

The conversation is just between them and Mob at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 1:28:25

Okay, no, epmd no.

Speaker 2 1:28:25

I knew you was going to ask that question. Sean at the end of the day Okay, no, EPMD, no. So so I was. I knew. I knew you was going to ask that question, Sean, and I was already prepared for it. As far as official duos go, they're the best official duo to ever pick up a mic, Because the only, because the only other. Well, okay, so here's the thing about it, and I love H because the only other well, okay so here's the thing about it and I love havoc.

Speaker 1 1:28:53

Yes, and I love his production, yeah yeah, I know you about to go.

Speaker 2 1:28:55

Yeah, big boy and andre are better rappers than havoc and you also have to understand they produced a bulk of at aliens and aquimini themselves and so their production chops although not quite havoc level, in my opinion, right. Comparable their superior mcs to havoc, though now more range. Now, if I'm picking an order between the four, I'm probably still putting prodigy at number one because his mic performance on the infamous and hell on earth is, I mean, I mean like okay, so we just had a conversation behind the scenes. 96 naz, it's the best rapper we ever heard. Yeah, but if you told me prodigy was the second best rapper that you heard 96 outside of the greatest rapper we ever heard that wasn't a stretch.

Speaker 1 1:29:43

P was like that. It wasn't even. Even if you said 1B, I wouldn't be in a heartburn, I mean for me.

Speaker 2 1:29:52

In 95, nas and Ray are clearly better rappers than Prodigy, but not by much by 96, he's maybe just as good and probably past Ray and creeping up on Nas.

Speaker 3 1:30:11

That's a mouthful. I love 96P, but are you putting 96P over 96 Dre?

Speaker 2 1:30:19

I've had this conversation before. If you go check it rhyme for rhyme. I love Andre and 96 Dre is a special guy guy, but it's more of a rock him and 86 type effect with 96 dre. We had never had a southern nigga rap like that. And so, yeah, yeah, yeah, I try to look at the curve. But let's look at the curve, 96p first of all. 96p is around 96 Nas, so he has a level to attain and something to shoot for, absolutely.

Speaker 2 1:30:51

And if I break one look right in 95 Ray and and before that cool G rap yeah just if we just want to keep it. Queens, he's got Nas and G rap before him, right? He's got Ray right there, because Staten Island and QB had that connection around the time. Rock M recorded Fucking my Melody and QB, so he's got Rock M, he's got stuff to go off of and stuff to shoot for.

Speaker 2 1:31:19

If we're talking about grading it on a curve, it's Andre, just because Andre had nothing to shoot for. The way P did, the jump that Andre made is the greatest jump for a region that I've ever seen a rapper make. That's why I'm making the Rock M analysis the way Andre's rapping. In 96, nobody down here in the South had ever rapped close to that level and I love me some Face, but Face wasn't there lyrically, even on the diary, the way andre is on atlians.

Speaker 2 1:31:52

But he just doesn't have the competition that p has to up the ante all the way to the highest level. He don't have a 96 naz in the studio getting beats from his fucking producer like think about that. Like naz is right there next to him getting beats from his right hand man while he's making arguably the best lyrical piece of work that we've ever heard. Andre doesn't have that and so andre's degree of difficulty is much greater, the curve is much greater, the jump is much greater. But if we just go in bar for bar, like I said, 96p is probably only superseded by 96 nas. What the fuck does that tell you about how he was rapping?

Speaker 3 1:32:32

yeah, pp was a monster for me. P was more surgical with it, where dre was more eloquent, right, um, but I'm gonna call that a wash, but then the order would shake out. After that you got big boy. Then you know havoc, you know coming in last, but yeah, how about?

Speaker 2 1:32:52

how about this? The only duo that lyrically is comparable to big boy and andre are both unofficial duos and that's ray and ghost and meth and red. That's their comps. That should let you know the level that those guys operate on lyrically. It's like the only real comps for them. It's like I know a lot of Tribe fans feel like type of way when I say this, but it's like Andre's a better rapper than Q-Tip and Big Boy's a better rapper than Phife. It's not the conversation that you make, it that you think it is.

Speaker 2 1:33:20

I think, same thing with EPMD. Same thing with EPMD MD unofficial duos.

Speaker 3 1:33:25

I mean, you know, uh, Nas and AZ, and then um, Jada and styles could enter that conversation. You know what I mean. And then did you say Ray and ghost.

Speaker 2 1:33:35

Did you say Ray and ghost? Okay, so here's the thing about it. Nas and a only got about nine, 10 tracks together with just them too.

Speaker 3 1:33:45

You know what I mean. That's not enough.

Speaker 1 1:33:47

Right.

Speaker 2 1:33:48

It with just them two.

Speaker 1 1:33:49

That's not enough, right, it just doesn't last.

Speaker 2 1:33:52

Ray and Ghost and Meth and Red got those bodies of work. They got so many classic songs together. Here's the advantage that Ray and Ghost have, it's like. Well, they got the purple tape in Iron man.

Speaker 1 1:34:03

They got the purple tape in Iron man Back to back. There's no skips, like I mean honestly Right.

Best Rap Duos (OutKast + Mobb Deep)

Speaker 3 1:34:13

Let me ask you all this because we're talking about duos and the chemistry. So between OutKast and Mob and then Sean, you can get into the parallels that you was wanting to make who would you say had the most chemistry between those two duos?

Speaker 1 1:34:30

Wow, that's a really good question, bro. That's a really good because if I can channel Coop here when I think about Cass Big Boy was on a whole different trajectory than Stacks was from inception, and I think it's because of their upbringing. You know, I guess if you look at it like this, big Boy was rooted in West Savannah. Right, I have a station in Savannah Georgia. It's a whole. Savannah Georgia and Atlanta are two totally different monsters.

Speaker 2 1:35:07

That's different worlds, two different worlds.

Speaker 1 1:35:10

Two different worlds and I think they're only three and a half hours apart from each other. So two different worlds. So for them to be able to even come together and put out classic music to me is an anomaly within itself, because they have two different trajectories, two different styles, two different ways of seeing things. Big Boy has always been on that pimp stuff. Stax was always on that education stuff. He was always on that awareness.

Speaker 2 1:35:35

Andre's an artist like actual drawer, painter, sketch artist yes.

Speaker 1 1:35:41

He could have been more collected. Big Boy is more street savvy. You can hear it Again. For them to clash and make what they made is to me it's an anomaly. But then you go to Havoc and you go to Prodigy and they're more in sync, they're more continuity because of their background. Queens is Queens, although Prodigy, you know, wasn't born and bred in QB. He was adopted by QB. He was, he was, he was molded by QB, if you will, and those parallels are for them. That for them, being in sync is right there. So I think my question, my answer, would be my, so.

Speaker 2 1:36:33

So let me piggyback off that. Let me piggyback off, not to cut you off. Let me piggyback off that, right, quick, sean, because I didn't realize this till I went to New York. Oh, qb is not that far from Long Island. Qb is actually on the Long Island side of things more than technically on the Queen side of things, correct, right? Yep, so when you're hearing like Rock m is from wine dance, long island, p is from hempstead, long island, that's not a far trip to get to the bridge 20 30 minutes if that maybe, maybe, like when I went there like niggas was telling me like yeah, we in long island now.

Speaker 2 1:37:01

I was like. I was like when I was like we out of queens they're like, yeah, it's like long island right here, nigga.

Speaker 1 1:37:06

Yeah, I was like oh, it's like oh island right here nigga, yeah, I was like oh, it's like.

Speaker 2 1:37:08

Oh, okay, I didn't know. I was like I thought we was going the other way. There's like no south side and corona and all that.

Speaker 2 1:37:13

That's that way right right, it's like there's qb left rack and then it's like you damn near long island 10 minutes after that, correct, exactly, exactly right. So it's like the neighborhood would dictate. Like that's like me. It it's like my family's from West Boulevard in Charlotte, but I came up on Beatty's Ford Road too, but that's about 15, 20. Yeah, beatty's Ford, I used to live. I used to live right off Southwest Boulevard, on the Ford. Yeah, I went to high school at West Charlotte. That's right off the Ford. Yeah, right, so West Boulevard is West Side, but Beatty's Ford is West Side too too. But they're about 15, 20 minutes apart. But it's the same shit. You know what I'm saying. Like niggas know each other. You know what I'm saying. It's like, oh, yeah, you know them niggas from ross ells ferry and babies ford. It's like, yeah, you know the niggas from west boulevard and fucking willmore. It's like, yeah, it's 15 minutes up the street, of course, I know them niggas right, right.

Speaker 3 1:38:05

So this in this discussion I'm glad the mob was brought up because, um, we'd be remiss if we didn't talk about that anniversary, right? So the infamous is celebrating the 29th anniversary. Uh, today, you know we just got through covering southern playalistics 30th anniversary and sean. I know you wanted to make some parallels between those two albums, right?

Speaker 1 1:38:33

Yeah, no doubt I think I was listening on my flight this morning. I was going back and forth from the infamous and Southern Playalistic and there are so many parallels to what these guys are saying. And Coop actually kind of stole my thunder in the beginning because, aj, you remember I was talking to you briefly about it. I said you know, when I listened to OutKast, their oppression was different than Mob's oppression. Pete was on some, I don't care, I'm going to get at these guys, I'm getting at everybody because I'm under pressure.

Speaker 1 1:39:00

Whereas Mob, whereas OutKast, their pressure was from the society they were in in the South, having a Confederate flag being raised in front of them and dealing with racism in the South where, as in New York, your enemy was the ones that look just like you, the ones that were just coming. It was a reason for that, especially during that time when tensions were high all over again in the late 80s and early 90s in the South. So mob's take on everything was we have to create more awareness of what's happening out here, because the system is holding us back. I can't see myself getting a high school diploma or even going to college, because the system is not designed for me to succeed, whereas mob was saying, yo, I don't even care anymore, because the city is wild right now.

Speaker 1 1:40:00

The opportunities are there, but I don't think I can make it because everything around me just doesn't make sense to me. Can make it because everything around me just doesn't make sense to me. My guys are getting killed by my own brothers, people are getting knocked off. So much is going on in the city. So you have two different perspectives that actually kind of intertwines into one algorithm, if you think about it, because I go back and I listen to the start of your ending and I listen to my intro. To let you know, I'm going back and forth to these songs like five or six times this morning on my flight and I was like yo the same world same world same world, same world.

Speaker 1 1:40:38

And I'm glad I listened to it today, because I haven't listened to both of these albums in such a long time and I had to listen to a different is to see the parallel was really there. And then you go back and you start listening to um, 41st side, versus east um, east atlanta, it's all the same thing it's two sides of the same coin.

Speaker 3 1:41:01

it's two sides because if you listen, to get up, get out and then survival of the fittest. Different perspectives at the same point, right.

Speaker 1 1:41:10

Because you're going up against it. Like you said earlier, you're from Charlotte by way of Atlanta as well, so you saw things through a different lens. As Yankoop did, you dealt with things that I might not be able to identify, and not fully understand.

Speaker 2 1:41:30

So let me so let me speak to that because it's like I kind of knew we were going to end up going here. I want people to understand this. So I grew up on the east side, mostly when I was down here decatur and lithonia okay, stone mountain was literally like the neighborhood that I used to live in, that I spent the most time in, because we moved around a lot. You could see Stone Mountain from the top of my neighborhood. If you rode your bike to the top of my neighborhood, you could see Stone Mountain there. Now, when you're seven, eight years old, you don't understand.

Speaker 2 1:41:57

When I was in fourth grade, I tried to do my book report on Dr King and my teacher made me do it on Robert E Lee instead. That's what I mean about the institutional racism being different down here. Where I work right now, I work on a street deep on the east side past stone mountain, where they used to have clan rallies when I was a kid. I work on a street right now. They used to have clan rallies when I was a kid in the late 80s and early 90s here, and so the institutional foundation of some things are different down here, but the plight is still the same. The way the public school system is trash up there is trash down here too.

Speaker 2 1:42:38

Yes, people understand. People like you know, people have made jokes for years. It's like, coop, you live in the woods. It's like, well, I live in the woods because the woods got the best schools for my daughter, because I know what it's like growing up in the public school system on the fucking east side of Atlanta and there's not a good chance of you fucking getting out. It's not. It's not a good chance. What Biggie say on his intro? You either sling and crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot.

Favorite Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik records

Speaker 3 1:43:09

Yeah, Same shit down here. Let's stay down in Atlanta for a little bit before we get on this heavy Atlanta album talk. So before we get off, southern Playalistic what are y'all gentlemen's top three songs off the album, just kind of putting a bow on it for southern playlisted?

Speaker 2 1:43:30

I think you know my, my intro to let you know who do you who and um claiming true, those are my joints, so cool first of all, before I even say anything, I want to say that you remember the transition from uh, the day the niggas took over, to nothing but a g thing. You remember the transition from the day the niggas took over to nothing but a G thing, yeah, the second best transition, beat-wise, in the history of rap is the transition from Crumbling Herb into Hootie Hoo Facts. That's what I mean about the nuances of the album. Remember when the drums bake? Now, absolutely Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom boom.

Speaker 1 1:44:09

Hootie boom yeah.

Speaker 3 1:44:13

I only got one other above that. It's rap game, crap game to where I'm from.

Speaker 2 1:44:20

I still think that I can give that a bronze medal on a day like today.

Speaker 1 1:44:25

But I just say that, to say it medal on a day like today.

Speaker 2 1:44:31

But I just say that's the same but, but organized noise production level was doing dr dre comparable stuff in 1994.

Speaker 1 1:44:36

Yeah, big, fat, big fat.

Speaker 2 1:44:37

Okay, it's not stated enough.

Speaker 1 1:44:38

It is not stated enough. It's not stated enough.

Speaker 2 1:44:42

That's why the rico wade thing hurts. He's uh, his memorial service is actually, uh, a couple of days at ebenezer baptist church. Uh, you know, rest in peace to him and you know. Condolences to his family.

Speaker 2 1:44:54

Um, for me, ain't no thing might still be my favorite outcast song ever. I love ain't no thing. Ain't no thing is my shit. I played ain't no thing today.

Speaker 2 1:45:02

It's like I love the nuances of that record. First of all, it's the only record that those two guys have with two verses, a piece from them, and big boy is freestyling at the end on some new york rap shit. We coming around atlanta and them niggas are really strapped with the motherfucking guns and the motherfucking glass. The heat is the gats nigga. Don't quit it, don't stop. Ain't no thing is my shit. I'm actually with with sean. Claiming true to me is the hidden gem of that album that people don't talk about enough. And Crumbling Herb was my favorite record too. Ain't no thing in Crumbling Herb specifically were my favorite records. Claiming True was the. Claiming True was, to me, the piece of the album where the album really kept together, and let you know that, to quote Andre, the South had something to say. That's the record that I go to. It's like, if you want to know, like, like claiming true is our memory lane okay so those would be my three.

Speaker 3 1:45:53

Yeah, um, crumblin herb would probably be my honorable mention, but my top three would be get up, get out number one. Number two would be hooty who and number three would be players ball. I mean, you couldn't escape it, I mean it was everywhere. We heard that like all the time. You know where I lived at and it just, you know, blew them up. You know what I mean. They was actually moving a lot of records with that song, so no doubt so.

Speaker 2 1:46:19

So so I'll tell you this down here southern playlist of cadillac music was the record. More than players ball was. I can. More than players ball was. I can see that because there was something more succinctly southern about that record players ball. We knew we made players ball for mass consumption.

Speaker 3 1:46:37

Southern playlist of cadillac music was for us to that point though, players ball from the the video to the sound fit the aesthetic of what was going on at the time, like Like you know, from like the Big Papa. You know that type of vibe you know, hold on.

Speaker 2 1:46:51

Well, since you're bringing up Big Papa. You know, puff directed Players Ball. Yes, yes.

Speaker 3 1:46:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:46:56

So that makes sense.

Greatest Atlanta Hip-Hop Albums of all time

Speaker 3 1:46:58

Ties in Right, ties in Right, ties in. So Sean you ready to jump off this album? Talk to give them the definitive top 10 from Hip Hop Talks.

Speaker 1 1:47:11

Yeah, we got to let Coop lead us on this one, because he's the southern expert on his joints. We're going to rank the top 10 most pivotal albums from Atlanta Hold on.

Speaker 2 1:47:24

We're talking Atlanta, right?

Speaker 3 1:47:25

Yes, I think we have, yes, just. Atlanta I think we have enough to do.

Speaker 2 1:47:32

Atlanta. Okay, are we going best or pivotal?

Speaker 1 1:47:35

That's what I was about to ask, I would say pivotal, can we blend it? Can we blend pivotal? And best, let's do it.

Speaker 2 1:47:42

We can do that, let's do it.

Speaker 3 1:47:51

Go ahead, ag. I had had a question, and this might be controversial, but let's start it. Let's start at 10 and work our way to one. Yeah, but you know, from recency bias and I'm not saying this is my pick, but from all the noise that it made last year and the critical acclaim it got does Michael have a place on this list anywhere? No, no. In short, okay, so we're moving on.

Speaker 1 1:48:15

No, I'm not saying it does.

Speaker 3 1:48:18

I'm just asking questions, I'm just asking questions Not to be funny.

Speaker 2 1:48:22

It's just not good enough.

Speaker 1 1:48:23

No.

Speaker 2 1:48:24

And I'm with you on that. No, it's not good enough so what's the submission?

Speaker 3 1:48:31

what submissions do you, gentlemen, have?

Speaker 2 1:48:34

I would start by telling you let's let. Coop do it and we debate it let's okay, let's start, since we're doing Pivotal Mix with Quality. I'll tell you that Ludacris, his first album Back for the First Time, belongs in that top 10. It was originally Incognito, which was an EP. That Ludacris' first album Back for the First Time belongs in that top 10. It was originally Incognito, which was an EP, but Ludacris is actually our first solo superstar down here in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 1:49:00

You say that over word of mouth.

Speaker 2 1:49:04

Okay. So for me personally, I think Chicken and Beer is his best album album, but if we're mixing pivotal with quality back for the first time, because what luda did? Luda's the first mc down here to create a hit making formula. Yeah, yeah, like succinctly to be a hit making formula. And so what was the lead singer for that? What's your fantasy? You gotta go, I gotta go with that too, and southern hospitality is on their throat and bold you gotta go with that.

Speaker 1 1:49:36

I was in japan when that came out.

Speaker 2 1:49:37

It was it was and and on a personal level, use a hose on there you're doing whole activities with whole tendencies. Hoes are your friends, friends, holes are your enemies. Yeah, he was funny, he was a character. He's very much, uh he's very much off the buster rhymes and red man tree in regard to his personality, uh, sometimes being even bigger than the rhyme scheme, even though the rhyme scheme is dope yeah not as yeah, I agree with that, so that that would be towards the bottom of the list.

Speaker 2 1:50:07

Yeah, I'd put that at an, at 10 um dirty sprite 2 by future that needs to be there.

Speaker 3 1:50:14

I'm all for that.

Speaker 1 1:50:15

It's on there definitely needs to be on there yeah, so we say I'm bad for the first time. Number 10 dirty sprite.

Speaker 3 1:50:21

Number nine it's, it's fluid, it's subject to change, but I'm just taking it. Yeah, ds2 is really no debate on that.

Speaker 2 1:50:33

Okay, number eight, number eight, I would tell you.

Speaker 3 1:50:42

Can I make a submission?

Speaker 2 1:50:44

at number eight. Yeah, go ahead, please do. I'm going to throw King into the hat. No, King is on there.

Speaker 1 1:50:51

I would have King a little bit higher.

Speaker 3 1:50:52

personally, no, I mean just as a submission. You know what I'm saying. It could be, higher as just a submission that needs to be on the list.

Speaker 2 1:51:02

I was actually trying to decide if I was going to go King. I was thinking about Lil Jon's first album, but I was going to go king. I was thinking about little john's first album, but I was struggling to think of a name not crunk juice, but the first album he did down here, because I was really really big down here. I'm trying to think of a name right now. I might have to look it up. It's been a minute. Um, king is up there. King is king is tip's best mic performance and tip is the best mc to come of Atlanta.

Speaker 3 1:51:28

Not out of the.

Speaker 2 1:51:29

South, I would still put Starface Solo In a vacuum. Andre is better, but Andre can't make trap music in King and Paper Trail.

Speaker 3 1:51:41

Yeah, the commercial audience that TI gained during his run was crazy.

Speaker 2 1:51:48

He's the most versatile rapper to ever come out of the South for one.

Speaker 3 1:51:51

So to that point let me ask you, this Coop being down in Atlanta, what was more pivotal for Atlanta trap music or King when he entered that upper echelon?

Speaker 2 1:52:01

Trap music and it's not even conversational. So does that mean both of those albums make this list? Absolutely Cause? Trap music is probably top five for me and we're about to have that conversation. I want you to understand.

Speaker 2 1:52:12

When my right hand man heard trap music, the nigga called me and he was like come here right now. I was an hour away from him. I thought niggas was trying to get at him because we was having some problems out here, you and so I'm hopping in my car with you know, with like thinking it's some action. He just wanted to play trap music for me. I'm like, nigga, you got me out here. Like I'm, I'm ready to get out the whip and start with the shits and I'm like and you just want to play this rap album for me. I was like this better be one of the best rap albums I ever heard. And he looked at me and he said this is the best rap album that we've had since Goody and Outkast first dropped. And I was like put that shit on. It's like never mind, look, let me put this shit back on safety Click.

Speaker 3 1:53:11

And so and so, yeah, trap music was like that. It was like that, like that it's actually top five.

Speaker 2 1:53:14

Somebody in the chat plugged uh life in 1472 I like it, but the first half is supreme and the second half not so much.

Speaker 2 1:53:21

So I'm gonna respectfully say no, it's too much and it's too much and, and quite frankly, the album starts off with the nas feature, a, a Jay-Z feature and a DMX feature. Well, that's not really Southern, and the best song on there might be the Slick Rick feature, fresh, and the other best song might be the Brat and Crazy Bone, come and Get you Some. All the best records on there actually aren't Southern and there's a fucking Primo track with Snoop on there. It's not a Southern rap album.

Speaker 3 1:53:47

It's a Southern compilation album with reach to the masses in all the different regions.

Speaker 2 1:53:54

But is it a Southern compilation when you use more East Coast and Midwest artists than you do Southern artists?

Speaker 3 1:53:59

That's a fair point.

Speaker 1 1:54:00

That doesn't make it pivotal for the A as well Right Not as pivotal.

Speaker 2 1:54:08

Now, if we're talking quality, it's probably top 10. If we're just talking quality, it can. It can probably. How about this? I think 1472 is better than back for the first time, quality wise, because of the songs are, because of the songs on there like people from other areas y'all are right, I mean people forget, like the.

Speaker 2 1:54:23

Uh, the first record, the nas joint. That's kanye's first real album placement. That's Kanye's beat Yep Money and the Thing is on there. Yep, get your shit right with DMX, which is better than both of them Prior to Volume 2. That's true, the DMX record. The DMX record better than the Jay and Nas record. To me on there, x was the fucking man.

Speaker 1 1:54:44

That album wasn't made to continue to put Atlanta on the map. It wasn't made for that. It was made to cross over. That's why you had a compilation of different artists who were hot at the time. I want to call that pivotal for Atlanta. What are we giving them at eight? Are we landing on King for right now? Are we going to put some trap music on that? What are we going to?

Speaker 3 1:55:06

do I'm cool with.

Speaker 1 1:55:06

King because trap music is higher, so put King. Yeah, I'm cool with King.

Speaker 3 1:55:12

All right King at eight.

Speaker 2 1:55:20

So if King's at eight, where would Thug Motivation 101 land? Okay, so when I'm talking top five that's what I'm saying it's like, oh, it might be top five. That depends on how you feel. That's why I'm saying it's like, oh, it might be top five. That depends on how you feel. So I'll tell you what. On the uh, the previous uh company that I used to be affiliated with, we actually had Nick Love who was actually the marketing director for TM uh 101 on and he and I got into a heated debate about 101 versus trap music. I picked trap music, he picked 101. But here's what I will tell you trap music changed the scene down here. But the biggest shit that I ever seen in the streets of atlanta was jesus movement before one-on-one dropped it was crazy yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 1:56:00

I've never seen anything like that in my life before, since that and when. The game. When I moved out to cali in the game and just came out with the documentary as far as the streets just telling you who got it. And this is hip-hop right.

Speaker 3 1:56:13

The snowman was a movement for real.

Speaker 2 1:56:15

Oh, I don't think you want, like even for people who know you had to have been down here to fully understand. I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 1 1:56:24

Not at all.

Speaker 2 1:56:30

I think trap music is a better album end to end. But if we're talking like I said, if we're blending and talking quality plus impact, I actually gonna give tm the nod over trap music. So we actually need to pick a couple albums before we get to that too.

Speaker 1 1:56:40

Okay, so we at seven would you put where would you put soul food? Top three, that's up there.

Speaker 2 1:56:47

that's up there. Put Soul Food Top three. That's up there, that's up there. Here's what I'll tell you. That's where I would go. That's the deal I would go. Kings of Crump, understand what's left for us down here in our mind. We got three OutKast albums, one Goody album and Tip's Trap Music and Jeezy's 101. So it's about how you want to layer those next six, because that's the conversation.

Speaker 3 1:57:18

I'm glad you said three Outkast albums. So let's address the elephant in the room. So you're limiting it to three. So obviously you're taking Stankonia off there, correct?

Speaker 2 1:57:29

stank on yous. Okay, so the problem with stank on you is a quim and high atlians and southern playlist of catalytic music, right, that's the problem with stank on you right, it's too high at this point, it just doesn't make it. I'm just asking questions and then it's like when you pole vault 17 feet and then you can only pole vault 15 feet.

Speaker 3 1:57:50

Okay, all right. So another question, you know just kind of seeing where things are at why isn't, why isn't um speaker box in the love below revered and talked about amongst the best double albums and hip hop? Is it because Dre is singing on his half or people look at it as like two separate solo albums and don't really look, cause nobody really talks about that amongst the great double albums and for how impactful it was.

Speaker 2 1:58:24

Big boys album could have been great great like borderline classic, great had he cut some records. I feel like he needed to cut about five records off a speaker box yeah, it was still short.

Speaker 2 1:58:38

It had a lot of tracks but runtime wise, it was a short album still some of the records just kind of felt like how about this the record with Jay-Z and Killing Mike? It's like in relationship to the quality of some of the records you could have kept it Like Unhappy Bowtie, the Way you Move, ghetto Music, like he was in a nice space and he did a masterful job, but the album does feel like he was just recording music, hoping Dre would come rap on some of the stuff, and I don't like that. Yeah, and also too, the love below is great, but the glow of the love below has waned over time, like when the love below came out, people were treating it comparable to like the miseducation of Lauryn Hill, mary J Blige's, my Life Jodeci's first couple of albums. It hasn't proven to be that over the course of time, and so what I think you have is a really great album on the Andre side and a really good album on the big boy side, but neither one of the albums classic.

Speaker 1 1:59:42

Yeah, I agree, but neither one of the albums classic. Yeah, I agree. I think hey y'all was such a massive song that it made that double album much bigger than what it really was. In the in the correct, I think. In real time it was it was huge pause, it was big. I was stationed in savannah, georgia, when that was going on. It was like big in the life at that time. Hey Y'all was such a massive hit that it crossed over, not just in hip-hop, it crossed over into everything. It crossed over into every genre.

Speaker 2 2:00:12

It changed the trajectory of that album. Here's what I tell you. This is just for us down here. Most of us love she Lives in my Lap and Prototype way more than we love. Hey, y'all down here. Don't nobody play hey Y'all Down here.

Speaker 3 2:00:25

We play. She Lives in my Lap, yeah.

Speaker 2 2:00:28

Prototype is the one.

Speaker 3 2:00:29

Prototype and.

Speaker 2 2:00:30

She Lives in my Lap are the ones.

Speaker 3 2:00:32

I just wanted to throw that out there.

Speaker 2 2:00:35

Somebody's asking where Gucci is at First of all, for me, okay. So here's my problem, even with this conversation that we're having. Jeezy's best albums to me are Trapper Die 1 and Trapper Die 2, but those are mixtapes. Gucci's best stuff is the same way. If we're talking album talk, we got to keep it the album talk. Gucci's really supreme stuff was the mixtape stuff. I would put the State versus Roderick Davis right outside the top 10, though.

Speaker 1 2:01:00

I was about to ask you that.

Speaker 2 2:01:05

I think that's on the outside.

Speaker 3 2:01:06

Probably 11 or 12. It's in the 12 ballpark for me but we got 8, 9, and 10 locked down. But the other seven spots are filled.

Speaker 1 2:01:15

We got Kings and Cronk at 7. Kings and Cronk is 8.

Speaker 3 2:01:20

Kings and Cronk is 8.

Speaker 1 2:01:21

Ti King is 8. You got Kings and Cronk over.

Speaker 2 2:01:24

King TI, king is 8 yeah, you got Kings of Crunk over King because if we're talking about importance mixed with quality, then yes, I can see that so TI King is 8, kings of Crunk is 7.

Speaker 3 2:01:39

We got 6 more albums. It's just the order.

Speaker 2 2:01:41

That's not figured out yet so I will tell you if, if we're cross-breeding like we should, then we're going to have to put trap music at six.

Speaker 3 2:01:51

See. I don't look back at the top five because Dumb Motivation 101 does supersede trap music, if I'm being honest.

Speaker 2 2:02:01

Yes but part of why trap music, part of why TM101 supersedes trap music, because Trap Music got made the year before, not the year after, because if it would have worked in reverse, we'd be doing this in reverse in terms of the ranking. So Trap Music has a lot to do with the fact that TIP opened up that floodgate.

Speaker 3 2:02:22

It paved that road.

Speaker 2 2:02:23

Yeah, it paved that road For sure, and Jeezy's the main benefactor of the road that TI paved.

Speaker 1 2:02:30

Okay.

Speaker 3 2:02:30

So that would be. Tm101 would be the fifth spot, unless one of those Outkast albums is going to go there.

Speaker 2 2:02:37

Nah, tm101 isn't better than any of those three Outkast albums.

Speaker 3 2:02:41

No, I agree, no, I agree, no, I agree with that I'll tell you that I hate to say it, but my favorite Outkast album probably going to go at number four.

Speaker 1 2:02:52

What's that?

Speaker 3 2:02:53

ATL is. That's my favorite.

Speaker 2 2:03:00

See, but here's what you have to understand. See, we're not talking quality, we're talking quality and pivotal impact. Right, quality, we're talking quality and pivotal impact. And so, if we're talking quality and pivotal impact, but that's what got them respected up top. That's why Southern Play Allistic would go behind yeah that makes sense. Because Southern Play, allistic didn't really have the impact on the other regions, right, but it had the impact on the other regions Right, but it had the impact in the backyard. Yeah, so ATLians would be ahead of Southern Playalistic so.

Speaker 3 2:03:32

ATLians would be ahead of.

Speaker 2 2:03:33

Southern Playalistic in this conversation because the albums, the album quality is supremely comparable, right, but how about this Niggas in New York? Ann callie was going, me and you, yo mama and your cousin too that's a fact.

Speaker 3 2:03:52

That's a fact, it was everywhere it was, it was everywhere so southern playalistic, so southern playalistic would actually be number four. Yeah, so that's what that's what got number number four. And you know, as far as quoting that hook, cell therapy had the same effect. You know what I mean. You know, with elevators, the cell therapy had the same effect.

Speaker 2 2:04:15

So I'm actually going to tell you something I've always liked soul food more than ATL ends, and I'm going to tell you why.

Speaker 3 2:04:25

The first two spots is between uh women and uh Soul Food.

Speaker 2 2:04:30

Right, because, because here's the thing, here's why Soul Food's ahead of ATL aliens. Go look at Andre and big boys performances on Soul Food. Then go look at Goody Mobs performances on ATL aliens. Okay, see the difference? Yep. Then go look at Goody Mob's performances on ATLians. See the difference. That's the difference in the albums is literally what Goody Mob bought to ATLians was really good. The verse Big Boi and Andre did on fucking Dirty South and fucking Thought Process. That's fucking epic.

Speaker 1 2:05:01

I'm going to be honest, man, I might have Dirty South and sell therapy over that, though Personally, just from how it reached to me.

Speaker 2 2:05:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:05:10

Cell therapy and Like. Goody.

Speaker 2 2:05:14

Mob soul food.

Speaker 1 2:05:18

Yeah.

Speaker 3 2:05:21

But does it leapfrog of women though? That's the question.

Speaker 2 2:05:25

No it's not good, but it's not enough.

Speaker 2 2:05:33

Here are my thoughts about Equimini, and I've always told people this it's the most complete rap album I've ever heard. Like yes, like how about this? The difference between a Quimini and something like the Purple Tape is that the Purple Tape doesn't have a liberation. It doesn't have a Spody Odie. They incorporated the ancillary parts of hip-hop while still keeping it hip-hop. There's a Skew it On the Barb and a West Savannah, but there's a Spody Odie and a liberation. But there's a skew it on the bar and a West Savannah, but there's a Spody Odie and a liberation. But there's a chunky fire but there's a. There's a return, there's literally it's like it's like it's. It's hip, maybe not most complete out Most eclectic.

Speaker 1 2:06:18

Most eclectic.

Speaker 2 2:06:20

Is a better way to accomplish hip hop album We've ever heard, because there's something for everybody on there the art of storytelling.

Speaker 3 2:06:27

Mama see that Y'all scared when you use the word complete. For me, that's how I feel about life after death, so I'm comparing it to that.

Speaker 2 2:06:38

Life after death got skips. It got some skips bro.

Speaker 1 2:06:42

Equipment. I ain't got no skip. Yeah.

Speaker 3 2:06:46

But something can be complete with I mean, that's another conversation Album can have skips and still be complete and have something for everybody. Okay, so how about that? There's nothing that life after death lacks in any department.

Speaker 2 2:06:59

It's a whole different pod Actually you want to know what? Adriel, I'm going to tell you what. And this was actually going to be a Coop's corner down the line, but I'm going to tell you now. Go listen to 97 Hov and go listen to 97 Big. Big's edge isn't all the way there. You can tell he's out of the street. He's hiding it and crafting it well with the storytelling and the content and the themes behind the songs, but he don't have a where I'm from on fucking life after death.

Speaker 3 2:07:35

I want you to table that coup, because I want you to keep that same energy later when we do what we're going to do.

Speaker 1 2:07:40

I want you to keep that same energy. Let's get through this one so we can get through the other one.

Speaker 2 2:07:47

The list is complete.

Speaker 3 2:07:50

We got number one Equipment Eye.

Speaker 1 2:07:53

What's number three?

Speaker 3 2:07:55

Number two Soul Food. Three ATL Ames. Number four Southern Playalistic. Number five Thug Motivation 101. Number six Southern Playalistic yeah, number five, thug.

Speaker 2 2:08:05

Motivation 101.

Speaker 3 2:08:06

Yeah, Number six Trap Music Right. Number seven Kings of Crunk.

Speaker 1 2:08:12

Yeah.

Speaker 3 2:08:13

Number eight King.

Speaker 1 2:08:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3 2:08:16

Number nine Dirty Sprite 2. Yeah, and number 10, Back For the First Time.

Speaker 1 2:08:23

Yeah.

Speaker 3 2:08:24

That's a solid list.

Speaker 2 2:08:25

What's number one again, I would put Gucci State of Roderick Davis and Goody Mob still standing, as my 11 and 12. That was a good honorable mention.

Speaker 3 2:08:36

So that's the official Hip Hop Talks list for the top 10 most quality yet impactful albums coming out of ATL.

Speaker 1 2:08:47

No doubt.

Speaker 2 2:08:48

I like that list and everybody got their appropriate presentation and I didn't want to leave Lil Jon out. People don't understand how important Lil Jon is to this city. Absolutely, absolutely. He doesn't get enough credit.

Speaker 1 2:08:59

He doesn't get enough credit. He doesn't get enough credit and we'll get this list out to everybody. We'll actually put the list together on Apple and Spotify.

Speaker 2 2:09:08

The gap between the Dungeon family and TI and Jeezy's comeuppance. That's Lil Jon's time. He ran this fucking city during that time. If a record banged in the club, it's about a 5 out of 10 chance that he actually was behind it on it, had something to do with it or fucking spun the record his fucking self.

Speaker 1 2:09:30

Yeah absolutely.

Speaker 3 2:09:31

You mentioned Apple and Spotify, sean Real quick. Before we go to the next segment, you want to tell them about the mixtape.

Speaker 1 2:09:38

Yes, so for tonight's show, hold up, hold up. I don't want to we can hold that Breathe.

Speaker 2 2:09:48

Don't bite my shoulder.

Speaker 1 2:09:50

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll hold tight. We'll hold tight. After the show we'll let them know what that's going to be. But before we go into the final segment, do you want to talk about the giveaway, the vinyl giveaway?

Speaker 3 2:10:03

Oh yeah, real quick. I posted something on Twitter last week. Follow me on Twitter at Adriel Green. We're doing a vinyl giveaway. It was Record Store Day. I was able to pick up an extra copy of this Nas remixes and rarities album. I don't know if you can see the whole thing in the picture, but it just got exclusive remixes and unreleased tracks that didn't make Illmatic and they've never been released before on vinyl. So it was exclusive release limited to a certain number, and what we're doing is we're trying to get our subs up on YouTube.

Speaker 3 2:10:39

You know we're approaching a thousand subs, so hit that subscription, turn on the notifications and we're trying to get ourselves up over on station here too. So, if you haven't yet, we do content over there. Download the station head app and it's free, and you link your DSP subscription whether it be Spotify premium or Apple to it and we have listening parties. We have have um. You know new music drops over there. We do versus battles. We do a whole lot of content over there. So we're trying to get those subs up to 450 and we're right at 400, uh, right now.

Speaker 3 2:11:16

So in order to enter the the drawing for the nas vinyl, all you have to do is look at my Twitter page is pinned at the top, click on that, follow that thread and then tag everybody. Quote, quote, tweet you know the original tweet and tag everybody that you know that is a hip hop head that maybe want to come rock with us. And once we reach our goals for subscriptions on YouTube, which would be a thousand, and station here, which would be 450, whoever and Stationhead, which would be 450. Whoever tagged the most people in their Twitter posts, that's who the vinyl will go to Get out there. Help support the channel and tag as many people as you can to come rock with us.

Speaker 2 2:11:56

Hey, I just want to say something. I want to thank all the people for supporting us so fast and so quick. We are almost at 1,000 subs in under 30 days. We have done three. We've done 3.5 shows. That's an eighth. We done done an eighth worth of shows. We ain't even moved no real weight yet.

Speaker 1 2:12:14

That's a fact Shout out to the views.

Speaker 2 2:12:18

That's just a couple of blunts. We done, done Facts them a couple of roll-ups in the cigar bar A 3.5. That's it, 3.5. Look here, look here, when a 3.5 can make you a G now you hustling.

Speaker 1 2:12:38

No doubt, like Nas said, we got the real checking in because, although we haven't hit a 1K mark in, you know we've been doing this for like what? Three weeks now and we haven't hit 1k just yet. But the views you know we right now at like 11 000 views in three and a half shows. So the real is there.

Speaker 3 2:12:55

We just need y'all to subscribe and make sure y'all hit that like button too yeah, hit the like and make.

Speaker 2 2:13:01

Hit the like button and make sure you subscribe, even if you don't want to subscribe. Hit the like button and make sure you subscribe, even if you don't want to subscribe. Hit the like button and run our likes up. But here's the thing about it too. This is what I tell people is like you know, numbers don't lie, but they don't tell you everything either, because we out here doing 2,000, 3,000 views with 930 subscribers, and we just got the 900 in the past day. So that means we're impacting the culture already. That means we're impacting the culture already. That means we're doing the right thing. Keep on supporting us, showing us love.

Speaker 1 2:13:27

No doubt. That's not even counting our partners out there Spotify, apple.

Speaker 2 2:13:33

That's not counting the downloads.

Speaker 1 2:13:35

Downloads are going crazy right now. Again, shout out to Denver Mile High Radio for playing us right now. I'm getting emails from them. They're loving it right now. It's different in Denver because it's different.

Speaker 2 2:13:46

In Denver, sean, you can get off work and fucking, smoke in your car and listen to us. It's different, it's different.

Speaker 1 2:13:51

It's a different vibration. Even Cali Shout out to San Diego. I'm getting messages from over there as well. We're getting downloads from San Diego right now, so we see the algorithm. We appreciate the love.

Speaker 2 2:14:02

Shout out to my San Diego people. Shout out to 78 Oceanside, where the military at. El Camino del Norte off the 15 La Mesa Beach Gas lamp. I know all about that Gas lamp. Look, I used to kick it with the USC football players down there when I lived out there. This is like when Reggie Bush and Matt Liner was there. They used to be down there on the weekends. I used to see them, niggas.

Speaker 1 2:14:22

No doubt Shout out to the chat man. The chat's showing love. The last three and a half episodes we had, the chat is in there chatting it out.

Speaker 3 2:14:30

We appreciate the love For sure the chat going to love this next segment for real, absolutely.

Speaker 1 2:14:37

They are. Elwood Thompson said he's in San Diego. Mira Mesa, shout out to Mira Mesa. I Diego Miramessa, shout out to Miramessa. I went to Maria Kourakouti school out there.

Speaker 2 2:14:44

Yeah, miramessa, yeah, what up? Yeah, I think my favorite hibachi spot was down there in Miramessa, if I'm not mistaken, man, they got it all down there All the.

Speaker 1 2:14:55

Mexican food down there. I ain't go front, it's banging.

Speaker 2 2:14:59

Food down. There is banging the street tacos down there. The street tacos down there, the street tacos down there.

Speaker 1 2:15:03

Oh shit, outstanding. Shout out to Tijuana. Tj Yo. So let's get into the final segment. This is the fun one. You know we are going up against the NFL draft tonight and NBA games tonight as well. Yeah, we got New Orleans in the house. Shout out to New Orleans. I'll be in New Orleans next week. Juvie Tuesdays got the invite. We're trying to do something with Juvie. That's more to come on that. Shout out to New Orleans. Got a lot of love in New Orleans. We're going up against the draft tonight, fellas. Again, thank you to the chat for taking out time to even rock with us tonight. The NFL draft is going on, nba is going on. We appreciate it.

Speaker 2 2:15:45

We're doing on. We appreciate the club. We doing numbers. We doing numbers while the draft and the playoffs is on. That's the track, that's love, that's love.

Speaker 1 2:15:53

We appreciate that. We're going to do a little draft for y'all. Ag. You want to explain it?

Speaker 3 2:15:59

to us yeah, we doing a rapper draft tonight, but with a little twist, a little caveat, because we're piggybacking off the draft. So when a player decides to take his talents to the pros, when you leave the college leagues, you feel like you're at the peak of your powers, whether if you're a freshman or a sophomore coming into the draft or upperclassmen. So at that point you're at the peak of your powers and you feel like you can do it on the next level. You know, if we consider players' total legacies and look back on them retrospectively, you might say he wasn't a lottery pick, he wasn't a first-rounder. He ended up being more of a second-round draft pick. You know it might have been a bust or what have you.

Speaker 3 2:16:45

So the rapper draft that we're doing tonight is not based off of entire legacies. When we say we pick a certain rapper, just like Benny did with 97 Hov, his favorite version of Jay, you know we're going to pick rappers from whatever era that we see fit. That we personally think is the peak of their powers. So once that rapper is picked, whatever version is picked, then that rapper is off the board and we're going to you know, on in football we're going against the NFL draft. So 11 players on either side of the ball on the field. So we're going to do 11 picks today and then we're going to decide. We're going to post our teams you know our stable of rappers on twitter and let the fans decide who has the best stable of rappers oh no, we ag.

Speaker 2 2:17:30

I don't mean to cut you off.

Speaker 1 2:17:31

Oh we posting this everywhere, fam, it's going everywhere, oh yeah, everywhere, youtube everywhere, yeah, so y'all can get embarrassed more, for sure, so so is that what we're doing?

Speaker 3 2:17:42

yeah?

Speaker 2 2:17:42

that's what we're doing so.

Speaker 3 2:17:44

um, the the determination of the order to pick was already, you know, done offline. Shout out to the homie stacks, you know? Pick the names out of the hat. You know, Sean got the first pick, I got the second pick. Who got the third pick? That's the order. We're going to stay in for the entirety of the draft and, um, gentlemen, let's get it. Let's see, you know what I'm saying what rappers we pick.

Speaker 2 2:18:07

We already know who Sean's taking. I'm going to go ahead and cross his name off the board.

Speaker 1 2:18:11

You know what that is. You know 96 Nas. Queens get the money. So that's what I'm going with. No one is beating 96 Nas Coming off of Illmatic 95 from a feature run into. It Was Written Y'all do what y'all want to do with that, but that's the big joker, little joker, deuce, spade, everything. That's all of that. You know what I mean. So I got 96 Nas.

Speaker 2 2:18:34

I mean, I was about to say the three of us don't agree about a lot of stuff, but we do agree about the fact that 96 Nas is the best rapper we ever heard right?

Speaker 3 2:18:44

yeah, I'm a little salty that uh Stax cheated for you to get that pick, but anyway.

Speaker 2 2:18:48

I feel like both of y'all cheated because I was the last one to come to the pregame. I'm like, yeah, I'm like you want to know what.

Speaker 3 2:18:53

I think these niggas went in order, but that's neither here nor there so you know, cool, I'm gonna go with, you know, per our conversation early. I'm gonna go with 97 Big because I personally think, other than 96 Nas, 97 Big is the second greatest version of a rapper ever to grace this earth, so that would be my pick.

Speaker 2 2:19:16

I'll tell you something. The first two names on this list boxed off are actually 96 Nas and 97 Big, because I knew you niggas was going to do that. All right, I already knew that was happening.

Speaker 1 2:19:27

I already knew that was happening. Ted Hill is 97 over. Nas, not at all Okay.

Speaker 2 2:19:33

First of all, there's no disrespect, but that's wild. So where?

Speaker 3 2:19:38

are you going? Oh, time out, time out. Real quick, those picks went kind of fast. We are on a draft clock.

Speaker 2 2:19:45

I'm watching the time Each person has. I like how you like to bring up the draft clock when it's my turn.

Speaker 3 2:19:49

Yeah, 60 seconds max to get your pick off. 60 seconds max, let's go.

Speaker 2 2:19:55

First of all, I already know both of y'all well enough to know what you was going to do, so I wasn't having any plans on taking 96 Nas or 97 Big. The conversation between the three greatest rappers of all time, in my opinion, are 96 Nas, 97 Big and 1990 Rock M, and so I'm taking 1990 Rock M. And I want people to understand why I'm taking 1990 Rock M. 1990 Rock M is let the rhythm hit them, Rock M.

Speaker 3 2:20:21

That's what the prize is.

Speaker 2 2:20:23

Nope, payton Full and Follow the leader got eric b tracks. Let the rhythm hit him first of all. Five mics in the source and the inspiration, along with cool g raps, uh wanted dead or alive for ilmatic. Those were the two albums nas was actually listening to when making ilmatic. The new york state of Mind comes from. Let the Rhythm Hit Him, the record Mahogany. And if you actually want to go to Rakim's best mic performance from beginning to end not most impactful, not most important, not best records but if we're talking about him on the mic, the 1990 version of him is the version that you should be afraid of. That's the dude that does.

Speaker 3 2:21:02

Let the R hit him and mahogany seamlessly yeah, yeah, I mean no, the lead is my favorite rock him song, so no doubt yeah, so give me 1990, rock him I ain't mad at that pick. I mean, I just wanted you to justify why you picked that over 87. Rock him.

Speaker 2 2:21:19

But you did a good job because 87 Rock M is more impactful about his ability to emcee above his peers. The guy, three years later, is still emceeing above his peers and doing it for 13 records, as opposed to five or six or seven.

Speaker 1 2:21:38

No doubt, no doubt the lyrical performance.

Speaker 2 2:21:40

Go listen to Let the Rhythm Hit Him. The lyrical performance of 1990 Rock M is actually his best mic performance, Not his best songs. His best songs are on Payton Full and Follow the Leader, but his best mic performance is on Let the Rhythm Hit Him. So there is some. It Was Written. How about this Lyrically? For me, the only thing close to it Was Written is actually Let the Rhythm Hit Him hit him, that's when he knew his powers.

Speaker 2 2:22:06

That's when he knew his powers. That's when he put the fifth infinity stone in and started blowing niggas up on contact. No Omega, you remember?

Speaker 3 2:22:12

no Omega.

Speaker 2 2:22:13

Yep.

Speaker 3 2:22:16

I'm not a problem.

Speaker 1 2:22:19

Sean, you on the clock, I don't need a clock, give me 01J, 2001j. When you got 2001J, you got j at his super peak powers. Right, you had reasonable doubt in my lifetime. You have volume two, you have volume three and then you have to home run and bring everything you know home with our blueprint. So 01 j is at the peak of its power. Nobody was touching Jay at this time until Ether tapped him Pause. But before then, bring the Michael Jackson on stage. Had everything from commercial, still the sharpness in his lyrics, taking out Prodigy at the time, and Prodigy was really the man that we talked about. God bless his soul. But 01J was strong. You can't take that away from him. So I got O1J.

Speaker 3 2:23:08

O1J would have been my pick, even over 97 hoes.

Speaker 2 2:23:12

Not me Still taking 97 hoes, but go ahead.

Speaker 3 2:23:16

I thought that's what you were going to do with your first pick Coop. But yeah, that's a good pick up, sean, so I'm going to go 96 pot.

Speaker 1 2:23:25

You.

Speaker 2 2:23:25

Sean, so I'm going to go 96-pock. Ah shit, you just fucked my life up and I don't like you no more.

Speaker 1 2:23:29

You did I gambled, I gambled with Jay, and this is why, all right, Do I really need to explain anything, or just can we proceed?

Speaker 3 2:23:37

No, you don't. No, you don't. Just say less, just say less, don't talk, no more. Aj.

Speaker 2 2:23:42

Look, because I was ready for the, the nas and big and jay thing that happened.

Speaker 2 2:23:45

I thought I was had a chance to get 96 pock. That's the guy that I wanted, so I'm not even on front. So who you got? Give me 98 dmx. That's a hell of a pick. That is a hell of a pick. Yeah, give me 98 dmx, because 98 dmx is better than 98 J and 98 Nas. And it's the only time that you saw a rapper go multi twice in one year, twice in one year, he moving four on another and three on another.

Speaker 2 2:24:14

You want to talk about moving weight, moving numbers. You want to talk about impact. You want to talk about like he literally ended the last happy-ass era we've seen before. These happy ass niggas started popping up after kanye. Like he ended all of that with a record. It took one record with him with his shirt off and black and white at the tunnel. Get at me, dog, change the rap game. I tell people it is the boldest first single in the history of rap. He is one of the greatest mcs and storytellers of all time. He's one of the greatest stage performers of all time. He's a game changer. He's a genre changer. He's he's an all time great MC. He may not be quite in that big J Nas pox stratosphere in terms of where he's ranked, but he ain't too far. Nah, he's close, and, and his moment is about as big as any moment that anybody's ever had. So give me 98X. Yeah, that's a hell of a pick, coop.

Speaker 1 2:25:10

Hell of a pick. That's a really good pick you up, sean. I'm sorry guys, I got to go. 96 Prodigy. I knew that was happening. I knew you was going there. 96 Prodigy was probably. Look, if you were to say niles is number one a and prodigy was one b, I wouldn't argue with you at all. 96 prodigy was blazing everything. He was a standout, he was the one. He the unorthodox style over havoc beats with, just with just anthems. Everything that he was doing, everything he was touching was on point.

Speaker 2 2:25:50

He was blistering the mic up that year, everything, everything.

Speaker 1 2:25:55

Shout out to my man Trife because picking Prodigy 96.

Speaker 3 2:26:00

Shout out to Trife.

Speaker 1 2:26:01

Trife.

Speaker 2 2:26:02

Boogie. No P was crazy. Yeah, Nighttime Vultures is probably my favorite prodigy verse.

Speaker 1 2:26:10

My goodness.

Speaker 3 2:26:12

The Pops is crazy. The Pops is warning. Yeah, P was like that.

Speaker 2 2:26:17

Hell on Earth, god, part 3.

Speaker 1 2:26:20

We- can just run down the line. You can see them there going crazy.

Speaker 2 2:26:23

Yeah, sean got a hell of the line.

Speaker 3 2:26:24

You just saw them there going crazy. Sean got a hell of a squad. You know what I'm saying. I'm on the clock next and my next pick is just to piss him off. I'm going 2,000 Ghosts.

Speaker 1 2:26:32

God damn, son of a bitch. You know how I feel about Ghosts. Ghosts is my second favorite rapper of all time. It's's Nas and then it's Ghost.

Speaker 3 2:26:45

We don't care, he ain't on your team.

Speaker 2 2:26:49

So I can see how y'all moving. So I'm gonna have to like Scope this out and I'm gonna have to give people. See, I already knew when I was picking third I was like, well, I got to give the most well rounded lineup you do, and so give me 0-.

Speaker 3 2:27:04

Oh, I like that to have yo cool to have 50 oh, 350 and 98 x on. Just that's crazy. With rock him, with rock him, sir, I'm like with rock yes, sir, give me, oh, 350.

Speaker 2 2:27:19

Here's what people don't realize. I gotta give you that, yeah, 50 is the best hook writer in rap's history and I'm good and cool. Yeah, I know you don't realize, 50's the best hook writer in rap's history, I know you don't love me because you're not the same whenever Jay's in town, I know you don't love me.

Speaker 3 2:27:32

This is a slugfest. So far, I don't think no team out front.

Speaker 1 2:27:37

Coop got some sneaky ones out there. Coop got some sneaky ones. I got the Infinity Stones. I'm about to go ahead and do the Soul Stone for y'all real quick. I already know where you're going. I'm going 95 Ray.

Speaker 2 2:27:49

Yep, I knew you were doing that. Okay, so I'm going to tell you what. I had to pick. In my mind I was about to pick 95 Ray, but I couldn't risk because I'm picking third one of y'all snagging 50 before I did for 0-3-50.

Speaker 3 2:28:04

Yeah, I couldn't risk that. I guess I'm on the clock I'm going to go with 96, Lauren.

Speaker 1 2:28:12

Oh, that's a sneaky one. That's a sneaky pick. That's a sneaky pick. Oogie the score, Lauren.

Speaker 2 2:28:20

No, no, no, I hear you, that's a good one. I'm about to hit you with some shit that's going to light your life up. I'm going 91 Ice Cube.

Speaker 3 2:28:30

I love it. Coop, I love it.

Speaker 2 2:28:35

Give me 91 Ice Cube, since y'all want to play like this.

Speaker 1 2:28:37

Okay, since you want to play around, give me 93 Snoop. Nobody touch 93 Snoop Dog is down. That was my Snoop. Nobody touch 93 Snoop Dog is down. That was my sneaky pick.

Speaker 2 2:28:48

I was hoping you East Coast niggas wasn't going to do that All right, yo, this one.

Speaker 3 2:28:55

You know what I'm saying. Coop did this to me with 91 Q and pissed me off with that one because that would have been my next pick. I'm going 94, scarface.

Speaker 1 2:29:05

Ah, shoot.

Speaker 2 2:29:07

You took my pick. I want to trade.

Speaker 3 2:29:10

Hey, trades will be open at the end of the draft.

Speaker 2 2:29:13

Hey, ag, and I pick 94 Scarface too. 94 Scarface is the one, my Scarface, that's on my board.

Speaker 3 2:29:20

Absolutely. Hey, trades are open. When we get all our picks before we finalize it, trades are open 94 faces crazy.

Speaker 2 2:29:27

I'm not going to lie 94 faces crazy since you want to play those type of games, give me 89 slick rick. Okay, I'm taking 89 slick rick on you, ass killing me right now.

Speaker 3 2:29:44

Alright, it's back to you, sean. Gentlemen, we're almost halfway done. We're on pick 6.

Speaker 1 2:29:51

I got 60 seconds, right, shit, give me, give me 99, y'all rule. I'm kidding, I'm kidding that was wild yo, that was wild, yo AG.

Speaker 2 2:30:09

we should treat it like spades and be like nah spades you gotta play that you gotta play that. You gotta play that spade.

Speaker 1 2:30:16

You put that on the table yo, I'm just kidding yo, but nah, give me, give me 98 pun 98 pun was special.

Speaker 2 2:30:26

He was, he is, he is I agree.

Speaker 3 2:30:30

I see your 98 pun and raise you with 98 cannabis.

Speaker 1 2:30:35

I messed up All right.

Speaker 3 2:30:38

98 cannabis, 98 cannabis, and remember people out there we just talking about in a vacuum that particular year.

Speaker 2 2:30:47

Right, and that's why I'm about to fuck both of y'all life up and take 88 cane Damn.

Speaker 1 2:30:53

You missed me, that's a hell of a pick.

Speaker 2 2:30:55

Taking 88 cane, ain't no half-stepping cane, raw cane yeah 88 cane.

Speaker 3 2:31:02

88 cane, okay, okay.

Speaker 2 2:31:03

It's back to you, sean.

Speaker 3 2:31:03

Yeah, 88 Kane 88 Kane, 88 Kane, okay, okay, it's back to you, sean.

Speaker 1 2:31:09

Okay, we just talked about it and nobody thought about it. But give me 96 stacks.

Speaker 3 2:31:19

That's a hell of a pick. I got that on the board, so I should have had him on my team with Lauren. That would have been crazy.

Speaker 1 2:31:29

I'm going to take.

Speaker 3 2:31:34

Give me 96 Redman.

Speaker 2 2:31:36

That was on my board too, since y'all want to play these games. Oh, I'm really mad. I'm really mad at the last two picks, because those were two picks. I was thinking that was going to float. Andre Redman yeah, I thought that was going to float a little further. Okay, since you want to play those games, give me 87 KRS. That's criminal minded. That's me 87 KRS Shit.

Speaker 1 2:32:05

That's criminal-minded.

Speaker 2 2:32:06

That's criminal-minded KRS for the kids, for the kids, that's criminal-minded KRS.

Speaker 1 2:32:10

My 9mm goes, coop is keeping it OG Like I like it, when you going with Coop 87 KRS Okay. Man Give me your answer.

Speaker 2 2:32:25

Hold on, hold on, real quick. Part of my logic and my science was too is that I didn't want to pick the same guy from the same year. That's why I have 90 Rock M's but I got 88 Kane. But I got 87 KRS but I got 89 Slick Rick yeah.

Speaker 3 2:32:39

Yo, somebody put 23 Yachty, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 2:32:44

First of all, they're going to be the first person to get deleted out the chat. Yo, that is crazy. First person to get deleted out the chat.

Speaker 1 2:32:51

Yo, that is crazy. I was about to say give me 99 on Bobby Digital, but you don't want that 97, capadonna, take that 97 Capadonna. Yo, that's myapa. Oh man, Don't get me started on Capa.

Speaker 3 2:33:06

Yo, that's my Capa's, my guy man.

Speaker 1 2:33:08

He influenced my entire wardrobe. Give me 89 Coogee Rap. Damn you, that's a hell of a pick. Damn you, yeah, corona Queens man.

Speaker 3 2:33:19

I don't need a whole lot, All right you're going with Corona Right need a whole lot of time. Corona right, you better represent with the Queens picks, because you can't go back there if you don't. You got P, nas and G-Rap. I don't appreciate that at all. Give me I can't believe it's still on the board, but give me 97 Meth and man, the guy from Wu-Tang Forever.

Speaker 2 2:33:40

Okay, Okay. So I'll tell you what I actually had 95 meth on my board but that. But I'll take 97 meth too. That was a good pick that's okay, so are you cool? I know so. My man kind of already put it in the chat and I was just gonna see if any of y'all was gonna jump. But I'm gonna take 05 wayne, that's carter to wayne that's all fine5.

Speaker 3 2:34:05

That gives more balance to your list, Coop, because you got the OGs. Wayne gives you more balance, yeah.

Speaker 2 2:34:14

I had to get current on these niggas. I like that pick.

Speaker 1 2:34:19

I'll raise you, though I'll go, hmm. Hmm, give me 01 Jada.

Speaker 2 2:34:30

Nice pick. Nice pick. I like the pick. I got a pick sitting on this board that I know y'all not going to pick, but I'm going to fuck your life up when I pick it.

Speaker 3 2:34:40

Yo give me, Give me Kendrick with the fade Good kid Mad City 2012 Kendrick.

Speaker 1 2:34:48

Oh, that's nasty.

Speaker 2 2:34:51

You can take that guy. I'm not taking any of these guys. I'm not taking niggas that don't come outside and battle. I don't care what year it is.

Speaker 3 2:35:00

That's in 2024. We in 2012, right now, brother.

Speaker 2 2:35:04

You can subtract 12 and go back 12 years if you want to. He's not on my board. He's not on my board. I will not tolerate that type of behavior. You want to know what is getting a little tight over here it's getting really tight that's crazy, that is crazy. Give me 99 black thought getting really tight. That's crazy, that is crazy.

Speaker 1 2:35:27

Give me 99 Black Thought. Yep, that's a good one, that's a sneaky one. That's sneaky. It's on you, sean, damn I can't even keep up.

Speaker 2 2:35:41

It's hard. I want to let y'all know I broke my pen stabbing the paper. I'm upset. I want to let y'all know I broke my pen, stabbing the paper.

Speaker 1 2:35:46

I was upset. I saw someone put O2 Kiss, kiss the Game Goodbye came out in 01. That's 01.

Speaker 3 2:35:53

That's why.

Speaker 1 2:35:53

I went to 01. 01. Damn, I got to go 87. Ll, that's a good one. Queens again. Ll was the biggest artist of one. Ll was one of the biggest artists of hip-hop at that time. How can we forget that Superstar?

Speaker 3 2:36:13

I don't need much time, I'm going. 05 Common.

Speaker 2 2:36:17

Son of a bitch, son of a bitch. I got 05 Common on my board.

Speaker 1 2:36:24

I see what you did with that one.

Speaker 2 2:36:25

I see what you did too. You're trying to see my black thought with your Common. Yeah, that was a good one. I don't appreciate it.

Speaker 1 2:36:31

Hey, man, that was a good one, that was a real good one, yeah.

Speaker 2 2:36:38

Okay, you know what? Where we at? This is a 10 pick, right? This is a 10 pick pick, right? This is a 10th pick. You got your 10th pick. Since you want to go 0-5, common, give me 0-5, kanye.

Speaker 1 2:36:51

I knew you was going to do it. I knew you was going to do it.

Speaker 2 2:36:54

I knew you was going to do it, since you want to play those type of games.

Speaker 3 2:36:59

I think you dropped the ball. Though, Coop, I'll tell you why no 0-5,?

Speaker 2 2:37:04

Kanye is late registration. Kanye, he's wrapping his ass up.

Speaker 3 2:37:06

That's my favorite Kanye album. I'm going to tell you why you dropped the ball. It's really 2010, Kanye. Good kid I mean not a good kid, but Good Friday's in the dark Twisted Fantasy. That's the moment that was on my board 2010, Kanye.

Speaker 2 2:37:24

Okay. So I'm going to tell you how I think. When your moment is more revolved around your emceeing on your mixtape than the emceeing on your album, give me the album where you emceed. Okay, that's fair, but I feel you on the Good Friday series. The Good Friday series is legendary.

Speaker 3 2:37:41

All right, Sean you up. This is your last pick, homie, Make it a good one.

Speaker 1 2:37:44

This is my last pick. Yes, sir, oh shoot.

Speaker 2 2:37:49

I want to let you know my pen can't even write right now, so I'm just going to have to.

Speaker 1 2:37:52

I want to go with my. I want to go with my gut man. I'm going to have to go with 05GZ.

Speaker 2 2:38:00

Okay, all right, I like that pick, damn, I like that pick, I'm gonna go that rounds out the roster because you already got the super lyricist at the top yes, yes yeah rounds out the roster.

Speaker 3 2:38:12

I'm gonna tell you where I was thinking about going, but where I'm gonna go. I was thinking about going with 23 cold because he was obliterating everything. But I won't be doing that. I won't be doing that. I'm just still hurt from the apology. I'm not going there. What I will do is go 0-5 game.

Speaker 1 2:38:33

Damn, I was going back and forth.

Speaker 2 2:38:36

Man, that's a good one, I'm going to tell you what I'm about to do. This is about to fuck your life up. This is my sleeper pick. I knew I'm going to tell you what I'm about to do. This is about to fuck your life up. This is my sleeper pick. I knew I was going to make it to the end. First of all, I don't appreciate you, niggas, taking all my Wu-Tang niggas off the board. I don't appreciate you, niggas at all for doing that. Since you want to play those games, give me 1995.

Speaker 3 2:38:59

GZA, I like it, I like that bitch. Yeah, give me 95 jizza.

Speaker 2 2:39:04

Yeah, give me 95 jizza. 95 jizza is rapping at a Rock M.

Speaker 1 2:39:11

Nas level Nah you right, you right, you right.

Speaker 2 2:39:14

You right, give me 95 jizza.

Speaker 3 2:39:17

I probably should have took the 95 Inspector Deck Flood First of all which one of you niggas took 95 rayquan from me that would be sean okay, first of all, I'm never forgiving you for that.

Speaker 2 2:39:31

All right, like a year from now, when we, a year from now, when we recall the draft, would be like yeah, that's the nigga that took 95 rayquan for me, never letting, letting that go, didn't you take 2,000? Ghostface AG. You took 2,000 Ghostface and 97 Meth and you took 95 Ray.

Speaker 1 2:39:51

Yeah, we're done here. Ag made it personal.

Speaker 2 2:39:53

Ag made it personal, it's personal, Because I'm going to tell you what I had 95 Ray and 2,000 Ghost lined up on my board. I was like I'm going to get one of the two.

Speaker 3 2:40:04

Let's do a rundown recap for everybody in the chat. Sean, with the first pick, had 96. Nas 01J 96. Prodigy 95. Raekwon 93. Snoop Hell of a pick 98. Hun, 96 3Stacks, 89. Cool G Rap 01. Jadada Kiss I'm mad at that one 87, ll and 05, jeezy myself. With the second pick. I have 97, big 96, pac 2000,. Ghost, 96, lauren, 94, scarface hold on, I gotta back up. Lauren is the only female MC to make anybody's list. I will say that we don't care what you're going to do, coop. I will appreciate all the females' votes. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 2:40:56

I'm the only one that picked the female MC. I had 96 Kim on the board, okay, but you didn't pick her.

Speaker 3 2:41:02

You had a chance, Females. I appreciate y'all's votes. Okay, so I had 94.

Speaker 1 2:41:07

Don't vote for this nigga.

Speaker 3 2:41:09

I had 94. Scarface 98 Cannabis, 96 Redman, 97 Method man, 2012 Kendrick, 05 Common and 05 Game Coop. With the third pick, he had 90 Rakim, 98 DMX, 03.350 Cent, 91 Ice Cube, 89 Slick Rick, 88 Big Daddy Kane, 87 KRS-One, 05 Lil Wayne, 99 Black Thought, 05 Kanye and 95 GZA. So that's our teams for now, but the trades are now open if anybody wants to propose a trade. I want Raekwon.

Speaker 2 2:41:50

Can't give you Raekwon. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 2:41:54

I want Ray.

Speaker 2 2:41:55

I need Ray on my team. I want Ray, or I want Scarface. I want my guys. I need one of my guys on my team.

Speaker 3 2:42:02

And Coop. I would be willing to give you 94 Scarface for 91 Cube. That's my tradeoff.

Speaker 2 2:42:08

I'm not doing that because 91 Cube is actually better than 94 Scarface. I'm just partial to Scarface 91. Ice Cube is Death Certificate. So here's how I feel. I personally like the diary more than Death Certificate, but Death Certificate's the better album and where Ice Cube is in 91, has an MC. I don't feel like Scarface is like that until about 97, 98 on some MC shit.

Speaker 3 2:42:35

Well, that was the offer, so I'll move on to the other thing. Hey, Sean.

Speaker 2 2:42:40

If I could decline that offer, I would decline that offer Sean, you got 01J and I got 96.

Speaker 3 2:42:44

That offer, sean, you got 01J and I got 96 pot. But you also got Nas and I also got big. I'll offer you 96 pot for 01J, just for chemistry sake what are you smoking? I can't do that, I'm sorry it's okay just propose a trade the 96 pot and the 95 I'm sorry, it's okay, just propose a trade the 96 Pac and the 95 Ray thing.

Speaker 2 2:43:09

I just want to let you know that hurt that hurt.

Speaker 1 2:43:12

I wasn't expecting you, east Coast.

Speaker 2 2:43:14

I'm going to tell you what, Sean. I wasn't expecting you East Coast niggas to pick the Pac or the Snoop, because I was like I know I'm getting Pac and Snoop on mine. I know I'm getting Pac and Snoop.

Speaker 3 2:43:22

That Snoop was a hell of a pick, and I'm mad that Jada can't slip past me too.

Speaker 2 2:43:28

The Snoop is a potential scale tilter because you got your Nas and Prodigy at the top, so you got your bar work, you got your all-time great peak with J, so sprinkling in a little 93 Snoop.

Speaker 1 2:43:43

Put some Snoopy in there. You're covering every ground. I'm thinking about dropping Jeezy and going back into the pool, though I'm going to be honest no, no.

Speaker 3 2:43:52

Nigga, you're making new rules Like ain't nobody saying you can like drop Jeezy.

Speaker 1 2:43:59

I can't go into free agents, I can't go back into the pool. No, no, no, no, look, look, look.

Speaker 2 2:44:04

If you want some of these dudes on the board, you have to go. They don't have to go. Try out for the team and make the team now. No, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 2:44:11

Nah, you got what you got bro.

Speaker 2 2:44:13

Can I tell you some of the people that I still had on the board Go ahead. Who was that? I had 88 Chuck B on the board 2006 TI.

Speaker 3 2:44:29

That's yeah. For me it'd be 05 TI.

Speaker 2 2:44:33

My sneaky pick was actually 1982 Melly Mel, because he was so far ahead of the curve. Now you're going crazy.

Speaker 3 2:44:38

Coop. That's taking it too far back.

Speaker 2 2:44:42

He was ahead of the curve, though Nobody rapped at his level to rock him. Kame, though, I mean that that's taking it too far back. Yeah, he was ahead of the curve, though nobody wrapped. Like nobody wrapped at his level to rock him.

Speaker 3 2:44:46

Came though I mean that's true, but you try to get everybody over 50 to vote for you, bro, that's nasty work first of all, the way you niggas was working.

Speaker 2 2:44:54

I was like I gotta work these demographics y'all. The one that made me get in the old school pool. I was like, oh, y'all want to take nas big and pock from me. It's like that's, that's cool, I'll take KRS and Kane and Rock him.

Speaker 3 2:45:04

It's fine with me, which I'll remind people that I did pick Lauren with my fourth pick. I didn't wait till my 10th pick to pick Lauren. I picked her with my fourth pick.

Speaker 2 2:45:13

So, ladies, I mean, don't do that lady, shit, don't do that, don't do that, I'll be honest.

Speaker 1 2:45:20

I didn't have a list. I came from my heart.

Speaker 2 2:45:22

I didn't want to You're over here politicking, do you understand? Your man is over here politicking for female votes, sean.

Speaker 3 2:45:28

Let's get this politic ditto.

Speaker 1 2:45:32

I just want to come from the heart. I want to come from how I felt at the moment. You know what I mean. So that's why I'm having some reservations about Jeezy, because I dropped. I'm thinking about 95 AZ. I'm thinking about um you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 2:45:45

I thought, about 95, a, 95, a was on my mind here. Here's why I picked 95 jizz over 95, a. Liquid swords is Supreme, it's a door down, like, like, like. To me, the only, the only, the only solo Wu Tang rap albums of me better than liquid swords is only built for Cuban links, because I have it at a tie with Supreme for that second slot, and so it's like that. So when y'all took 95 Ray and 2,000 Ghost, I was like well, I got one more option left in my Wu-Tang chamber. I got one Wu-Tang chamber left.

Speaker 1 2:46:16

That's it.

Speaker 3 2:46:16

Yeah, I'm mad that I didn't pick 95 AZ, but those 11 picks came quick. You know what I mean. It was fast I, those 11 picks came quick.

Speaker 2 2:46:22

You know what I mean. It was fast. I thought I was about to take 88, chuck, but y'all forced me into the rock him Kane KRS thing. I would like to let all the niggas over 45. No, I have rock him KRS and came on my list.

Speaker 3 2:46:34

It's over here.

Speaker 2 2:46:34

Fucking politic into the women. Like to let all you, oh geez, no. Like to let the OGs know it's like I was looking out for you OG niggas.

Speaker 3 2:46:45

Got KRS. Got Slick Rick Got KRS.

Speaker 2 2:46:48

You come roll with a real head if you want to. Niggas is over here picking Jeezy and Lauryn Hill. Lauryn Hill ain't even made a solo rap album Facts.

Speaker 3 2:46:56

But we ain't worried about that. We're talking about Lauryn from 96 who had to. That's the only lawyer we talk about.

Speaker 2 2:47:01

Don't let Coop change the rules, for y'all, Y'all niggas ain't scoring no points with the OGs. I was about to take 88 Chuck D on y'all. I was like that's one too many old niggas.

Speaker 3 2:47:13

Coop is selling a lot of records. He got 98 DMX and 0.350 cent. He's selling a lot of records and, to be honest, sean got the goatAT in the last round and he got the second greatest of all time with Jay. So I ain't mad at that, but my list is the most complete if we're being real. No, it's not.

Speaker 1 2:47:33

Just because you picked a woman doesn't make your list complete. Yeah, it doesn't, it's not even close, it's not even conversational. I think you got desperate. First of all, first of all.

Speaker 2 2:47:45

I got see. I got thought and jizzle on my list, though, so I got the respected lyricist too.

Speaker 1 2:47:52

And I got the OGs.

Speaker 2 2:47:53

And I got the OGs. That is not the same person. Black Thought ain't made no fucking liquid swords.

Speaker 1 2:47:59

Your age is dirty man, you see how he playing.

Speaker 3 2:48:02

You see how he playing.

Speaker 2 2:48:05

But here's what I got. I got the best hook writer ever in 50. I got arguably the two best stage performers ever in BMX and KRS. I got the best lyricist arguably from their eras in Kane and Rakim, since y'all took the best lyricist from the era that came after. I got the best storyteller from his era in Slick Rick. I pieced it together. I got Kanye. You're well-rounded. You're well-rounded. You know why I really don't like you niggas. You niggas forced me into picking Kanye.

Speaker 1 2:48:33

That's how dirty this is.

Speaker 2 2:48:36

I felt forced to pick Kanye West and you picked the wrong Kanye at that.

Speaker 3 2:48:41

That's what's crazy. No, no, no, no no.

Speaker 2 2:48:43

O5 Kanye is the best, kanye.

Speaker 3 2:48:44

O5.

Speaker 1 2:48:44

Kanye was special.

Speaker 2 2:48:47

That's Kanye that everybody still loves. Everybody don't like 10 Kanye Right.

Speaker 1 2:48:51

That's O5.

Speaker 3 2:48:52

Kanye was special To be honest, that is rapping Zenith. I think for me Dark Fantasy was where it all came together as far as the production and the rapping, like his Zenith, but just as far as like as an mc which I don't know if he had what writers or whatever, but him as an mc on graduation, just as an mc was the best. But late registration is my favorite.

Speaker 2 2:49:14

So late registration is the balance. But how about this? On my beautiful, dark, twisted fantasy? I feel like people stole the show from him but that's because he set them up to steal the show Absolutely. I feel like on graduation it is his solo mission. I feel like registration is the best blend of the two. Has in he's got the Nas and the Jays and the commons and the game on the hook and the Paul walls, but it's blended better and he's still a standout MC. So that's why I picked oh five, kanye and plus. I was being petty because you stole my O5 Common pick, which I thought none of you niggas was going to take from me.

Speaker 3 2:49:48

Oh, nah B is one of my favorite albums of all time. Bro, that was on the board for me.

Speaker 2 2:49:52

B is a borderline top 20 rap album of all time. To me, it is Absolutely that and Supreme Clientele post 2000s.

Speaker 3 2:50:00

That's one of the best albums post-2000s. Blueprint, stillmatic, b, supreme. Yeah, those are those ones Supreme is 2000.

Speaker 2 2:50:11

People forget Supreme clientele is actually what set off the 2000s. Supreme's the first classic album of the 2000s. Yeah, it is. It set it off early 2000s.

Speaker 3 2:50:22

I ain't gonna lie, I had 2002 Cam on my board because just style-wise I mean, I mean style-wise Cam, just you know he had the game on lock for a minute. We can't deny that.

Speaker 2 2:50:39

I feel like this set and Cam were more of a cultural movement than an MC and album movement.

Speaker 1 2:50:44

Absolutely, because SDE Cam to me, I feel like this set and Cam were more of a cultural movement than an MC and album movement. Absolutely Right, absolutely, Because S-D-E Cam to me was more lyrical.

Speaker 3 2:50:51

That's the best Cam yeah S-D-E Cam was tough.

Speaker 2 2:50:53

That was tough, but a lot of people don't know that version of Cam though. Here's always my thing about Cam why Jim Jones got the biggest single out to Cam. That was my thing with Cam, because Ballin's the biggest single that ever came out and it was like Jim. I'm like Jim's supposed to be Dame. You know what I'm saying. Like Dame ain't make no Ballin when fucking Rockefeller was running.

Speaker 1 2:51:16

And Jim was holding it down for a minute. Yeah, Jim held it down.

Speaker 2 2:51:20

Yeah, no doubt. Yeah, jim held it down when Jewels was getting in trouble and him and Cam was starting to have their little thing like yeah.

Speaker 1 2:51:27

He was holding it down. That game pick is a sneaky pick because if people just separate game from his antics, you cannot deny game's 0-5 run.

Speaker 2 2:51:37

Okay, so you can't deny the run, but what I would submit to you is that the guy who hops up on Doctor's Advocate the 0-7, when is Doctor's Advocate 07? That's the better MC, though.

Speaker 3 2:51:48

You're right, I might have picked the wrong version.

Speaker 1 2:51:50

Yes, His back was against the wall in Doctor's Advocate. You're right. He came out firing on all cylinders.

Speaker 3 2:51:58

I think 05. Can I change it?

Speaker 2 2:52:02

No.

Speaker 3 2:52:03

No, absolutely not Not after.

Speaker 2 2:52:05

You just politicked with all the women on the podcast to get Lauryn Hill. We're not giving you shit. You out here pandering man, ladies, ladies, Hi ladies, my name is AG, come vote for me. I picked Lauryn.

Speaker 1 2:52:16

Yo, that's why I picked Lauryn he out here trying to do the Trump thing, man Yo.

Speaker 3 2:52:25

And I'll make sure she on time.

Speaker 2 2:52:26

I'll make sure she on time for y'all. Look, look, I'm gonna pull a Kanye West on AG right now. Ag doesn't care about black women.

Speaker 1 2:52:35

Yo, that's wild, Especially come out of West Virginia. That's wild why you pick someone from West Virginia man.

Speaker 3 2:52:47

I mean, it was on my list. I was on my list, as you know, to sub in if somebody needed me.

Speaker 2 2:52:51

You know I mean hey, hey, never forget, never forget. Sean west virginia gave us randy moss. They did, you see they did.

Speaker 1 2:52:59

You see it?

Speaker 3 2:53:00

yeah, that's the alma mater right there that is crazy.

Speaker 1 2:53:05

Having a Marshall and a Raiders banner in the back is wild.

Speaker 3 2:53:09

I don't even know what we did in the draft. Tonight my phone been blowing up so I hope it was something good. You're a Raiders fan Raiders, unfortunately so, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 2:53:20

so, ag, I'm going to go ahead and let you know how your draft went. Your team didn't do anything that they were supposed to do have a good night, have a good night.

Speaker 1 2:53:27

I wasn't expecting them to. I wasn't expecting them to. They never do. Look here.

Speaker 2 2:53:35

I'm a Carolina Panthers fan. We have the worst owner in professional sports and the worst football team to match the crappy-ass owner. So the worst football team to match the crappy ass owner. So I would take, I would take out Can I trade my crappy owner for the care? That's the trade. Can will you take my crappy owner and I'll take your crappy owner? That's a trade. Did you like my crappy?

Speaker 3 2:53:53

owner. It's a pretty fair trade. You know what. You know what I'm saying. The reason why I'm a Raiders fan because geographically it don't make no sense, but three reasons. My uncle was a Raiders fan so I got grandfathered into that. Bo Jackson and NWA, like that's why.

Speaker 2 2:54:10

I'm a Raiders fan. Now AG. Now AG has a consolation prize. You can have the owner, sorry ass wife too. You can take her with you. So it's a two for one. You can take my owner, sorry ass wife too. Would you like to take? It's a whole combo.

Speaker 3 2:54:22

It's a whole combo yeah, so so are we doing any trades that everybody deal with the team they got? Nobody want to.

Speaker 2 2:54:30

You know, I'm saying if you're not giving me if I can't I can't hold on. Hold on. Is there anything I can do to get 96 pock off you? No, okay, I really don't want to talk to you all anymore.

Speaker 3 2:54:45

Then that's where we go yo, so we we're going to put this up with the voters poll so we can see the percentages.

Speaker 1 2:54:59

I can create a flyer for it and put it out there. I already got it pretty much done. It's got to send out to the people and don't be changing the stuff on there.

Speaker 3 2:55:06

Sean, For real.

Speaker 1 2:55:07

Why would I do that. Look at my team. Why would I do that that?

Speaker 3 2:55:12

is crazy. Hey, coop, sean, be like yo, that was a typo, my bad.

Speaker 2 2:55:16

Look here, ag, that's that queen shit.

Speaker 1 2:55:21

AG trying to manufacture votes. Man, he's just trying to manufacture votes out here yo you know what it is.

Speaker 2 2:55:28

It's like that nigga hopped on the campaign trail while we were still doing our speeches on stage. It's like yo did this nigga get in the car and start campaigning while we still doing the draft you wanna know what's crazy?

Speaker 3 2:55:40

I have one on my board that didn't get picked up, but 2002 Eminem no, that didn't get picked up, but y'all might not have but 2002. Eminem no, crazy, you didn't, you didn't miss anything. Y'all hating, y'all hate, all right.

Speaker 2 2:55:51

We're not. Hold on. Let me ask you this, eminem show Come on now Hold on, oh two, eminem, or oh three, 50. Who you taking?

Speaker 3 2:55:59

AG 50. Okay then, as an MC, Eminem, but we're talking Impact and overall 0 through 50.

Speaker 2 2:56:07

No, not as an MC, because hooks are part of MCing. That's why I'm trying to tell you the best hook performance on one album in the history of rap is 50 on Get Rich or Die Trying. It is the best hook performance ever.

Speaker 3 2:56:19

But the rapper that Eminem was in 0 to 8 Mile soundtrack at Eminem's show. He was one of the ones. Don't do that.

Speaker 2 2:56:27

Playing Rabbit Run versus 50 to get your ass ran off the board. All right, you're going to be running for real.

Speaker 3 2:56:33

We'll see, but in 2005, that was another one.

Speaker 2 2:56:39

I'm not playing those games. I can't do that. Yeah, I can't do that. I can't do that?

Speaker 3 2:56:44

Yeah, I can't do that. Hey, fab was a monster man. Y'all sleep it.

Speaker 2 2:56:47

I just can't 04 Seagull's better than that.

Speaker 3 2:56:51

My bad, not 2000,. 2001 Fab.

Speaker 1 2:56:54

Man, you can pick. I would have picked that over Cannabis, 98 Cannabis Maybe.

Speaker 3 2:57:01

Cannabis was blazing everything, though. Yeah, but his album, I mean cannabis was blazing everything, though like yeah, but it's an album I mean that came out.

Speaker 1 2:57:09

That came out in 99, not apple 98 in my version.

Speaker 2 2:57:15

It came out in 99. It's like november 98, I think, if memory serves.

Speaker 3 2:57:19

That's why I didn't copy to 99, so we're not talking about unless you got, unless you got a lady.

Speaker 1 2:57:23

West virginia boy. You know what he's talking. We're not talking about.

Speaker 2 2:57:26

Unless you got a lady in West Virginia. Boy, you know what he's talking about. He's talking about Matter of fact the cannabis that you're talking about is actually 97 cannabis, right, yeah.

Speaker 3 2:57:32

Desperado.

Speaker 2 2:57:33

Beast from the East.

Speaker 3 2:57:34

Nah, that's 98. Her album came out in 98. Did it not? No?

Speaker 1 2:57:38

it's 97.

Speaker 3 2:57:40

Is it October 97 and all that?

Speaker 2 2:57:42

Yeah, making a name for ourselves with common. That's 97 beats from the east, pretty certain 97 97. Yes, you come on 97 cannabis I mean people are gonna understand. People are gonna understand what you're talking about, because he only had one good run and it didn't involve any of his fucking albums. Well, it's some bleed.

Speaker 3 2:57:59

It's some. It's some bleed over. You know what I'm saying, so it's all all good.

Speaker 1 2:58:02

He lost the battle in 98 too. What did you?

Speaker 3 2:58:05

say. I said he's breaking up man. I think we lose the reception.

Speaker 1 2:58:10

So we got to stop.

Speaker 2 2:58:11

Wow, it's definitely time to go. Definitely time to go. Yo, this was fun.

Speaker 1 2:58:16

This was fun, yo. I encourage everybody to put together your own 11 hip hop rappers out there, rappers in your draft. Create your own draft and challenge us. We'll put it on Facebook, we'll put it on Twitter, youtube and all of our outlets so you all can see how we're looking, and we'll put a poll out there to see who has the best pause. But I would encourage all of you to actually put something out there as well so you can challenge what we have. You can't pick what we still have, but you can challenge us with whatever picks you have on your side as well. Subscribe, like, subscribe, share, tell a friend to tell a friend. Let them know what we're doing over here. This was just a light work. We're still warming up. We're still making the album right now. We're still trying to master the album. So we're still working on some things. We got other great ideas coming in the pipeline really soon, coop. Any last words for you, brother.

Speaker 2 2:59:07

I just want to say that these conversations that we've had the past week about Southern Playalistic, the Infamous, illmatic these are the albums that made all of us, from our age demographic, fall in love with hip-hop. There are albums that preceded that made people fall in love with hip hop and albums that came after it that made people fall in love with hip hop. And so let's just hold, let's continue to hold hip hop up high and represent the culture the right way, because the culture has represented us the right way. These albums that we're talking about, they're reflective of our upbringings, they're reflective of our environments and it's important that we carry them in a positive light, even though some of the content may be a little dark, like you were mentioning. That's part of our struggle here as Blacks in America, and we need to embrace the struggle in order to conquer the struggle. So shout out to Outkast for putting together the South's most important album in Southern Playalistic. Shout out to Nas for making the greatest rap album of all time, in my opinion, in Illmatic. Shout out to Mobb Deep for making the Infamous, which is literally the album that street East Coast hip hop is based upon.

Speaker 2 3:00:23

Pretty much Like all these niggas' style sound like Havoc's beats to me when they be trying to do that East Coast hip hop shit. He's the author of a sound. Prodigy is the voice of a sound. Nas is the goat. Outkast is the greatest duo of all time. It's wonderful and a blessing that we get to talk about these things. These people rest in peace. Proigy and salute to the culture.

Speaker 1 3:00:45

Dope AG what you got, sir.

Speaker 3 3:00:49

That's it, man. Coop wrapped it up, you know, and I think that's it, man. I don't have nothing to add. Man, this was a hell of an episode. It was a lot of fun doing this episode with you, gentlemen. The draft was dope. We got our top 10 um atlanta albums list, which I think is pretty, pretty solid, you know. Uh, we'll post that on the socials as well. And um, yeah, man, stay tuned for the next time we are here I doubt.

Speaker 1 3:01:13

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Speaker 2 3:02:13

Fellas no-transcript.