HipHop Talks Podcast
Crew Love
Strap in, hip-hop heads, as Shawn , Coop and AG light up the mic with their take on the new Kendrick diss and other trending topics in rap. Our unscripted banter zooms in on Kendrick's diss track game – is it a knockout or a mere love tap? With a healthy dose of skepticism, we dissect whether hip-hop's heavy hitters are still swinging hard or resting on their laurels. And if you're craving insider scoops, we've got those too – like how Drake's shadow looms over the entire scene, from the fans support to the industry conversations.
Ever wondered what binds the hip-hop family together? It's more than just collabs and beefs; it's about the unbreakable bonds formed in the studio and on the streets. We reminisce about the raw energy of "crew cuts" and celebrate crews like Rough Riders and G-Unit who've laid down the tracks for others to follow. But it's not all nostalgia – we're here debating the top 15 hip-hop collaborations with the same fervor as when they first hit the airwaves. Plus, get ready for a few good laughs and surprise shout-outs – because what's a family gathering without a little friendly roast?
You might even find yourself nodding along as we challenge fan loyalty and question what it means to be truly 'woke' in the world of music. This episode isn't just about the tracks – it's about the stories behind them, the life lessons they impart, and the community they create. We named this episode "Crew Love" for a reason, and we are poised to show the listener and viewer why. Enjoy..
Strap in, hip-hop heads, as Shawn , Coop and AG light up the mic with their take on the new Kendrick diss and other trending topics in rap. Our unscripted banter zooms in on Kendrick's diss track game – is it a knockout or a mere love tap? With a healthy dose of skepticism, we dissect whether hip-hop's heavy hitters are still swinging hard or resting on their laurels. And if you're craving insider scoops, we've got those too – like how Drake's shadow looms over the entire scene, from the fans support to the industry conversations.
Ever wondered what binds the hip-hop family together? It's more than just collabs and beefs; it's about the unbreakable bonds formed in the studio and on the streets. We reminisce about the raw energy of "crew cuts" and celebrate crews like Rough Riders and G-Unit who've laid down the tracks for others to follow. But it's not all nostalgia – we're here debating the top 15 hip-hop collaborations with the same fervor as when they first hit the airwaves. Plus, get ready for a few good laughs and surprise shout-outs – because what's a family gathering without a little friendly roast?
You might even find yourself nodding along as we challenge fan loyalty and question what it means to be truly 'woke' in the world of music. This episode isn't just about the tracks – it's about the stories behind them, the life lessons they impart, and the community they create. We named this episode "Crew Love" for a reason, and we are poised to show the listener and viewer why. Enjoy..
Two, one, we are live Fellas. Good evening, peace, bro. We here. Yes, sir, good what's good, cool. What's going on in Atlanta? What's going on in the A? How you feeling out there?
Speaker 2:It's been a beautiful weather the last couple of days. It's been beautiful down here. It's been a lot going on. I've been on Twitter and on YouTube debating with all these Kung Fu Kenny crazy people. I call them the KKK. They're the new KKK. That's crazy for Kung Fu Kenny. A bunch of KKKs. You know who you are so sick of you niggas. You want to, I am. You're talking up like that. I am. I'm tired of them.
Speaker 4:You want to know who they are.
Speaker 2:You know who they are. Today, I realized who they were. Kendrick Lamar fans are the Dallas Cowboys of hip hop. Oh, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what they do. They could be up by 30 against the worst team in football and they'll be like we're going to the Super Bowl. They can beat the best team in the league by three. They'll be like we got a dynasty on our hands. There are always unrealistic expectations, at least as far as the last seven years are concerned. They don't deliver. He made his first good record. He made his first good record in seven years and people act like the Holy Grail has been discovered or something. It's wild. It's a good record been discovered, or something.
Speaker 1:It's wild. It's a good record. Coop came out the gate swinging. That's like the Pat Williams interview. I just said, hey, how you doing Coop, I'm doing it right now. I hate him, I don't like him.
Speaker 2:I don't like you anymore.
Speaker 1:I don't like you anymore.
Speaker 2:He's not the problem, they are the problem, it's not even him anymore.
Speaker 4:I mean, that analogy ain't bad, Coop Like, because if you meet a Dallas Cowboys fan, you might not have nothing against the Cowboys, but you hate their fan base for real.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:Right, I'm a Cowboys fan.
Speaker 4:That's how. I'm doing that makes so much sense, bro. That explains a lot, Sean. That explains a lot. That explains a lot, Sean. That explains a lot.
Speaker 1:That explains a lot, bro we did not talk about this behind the scenes. We literally said we were going to get on here and thank everybody. We did not talk about doing this.
Speaker 2:That's my what's up to everybody. What's up everybody.
Speaker 4:This is unscripted AG. What's going on?
Speaker 1:in West Virginia man.
Speaker 4:Nothing much man. Same thing, different day, on the daily grind, ready to get into this pod stuff. Talk a little truth. We're going to tell the truth on the pod today. A lot of people might not like it, but it is what it is. We got to be the ones to tell the truth.
Speaker 1:It's about to get nasty. It's about to get nasty, man. I feel good. I'm going to drink a little bit to kind of take the edge off. I'm jet lagging. I'm going to see New Orleans this week.
Speaker 1:I had a chance to connect with Juvie out there. You guys saw the pic. I'm not going to post that for the public. I'm going to put pictures of myself out there. But shout out to Juvie man. Shout out to New Orleans. They show a lot of love man. Juvie is a real one, he a real one. We had a great conversation, everything was good man. All love out there. I had the New York fitted on. You know what I mean? The only one in the club rocking the Northern style, you know, camoed out black hoodie, but it showed love man. So it's all love out there. So again, salute to New Orleans, salute to Juvie, salute to the good people out there. Man who kept it clean, no issues happening in the club and it was all great man. So, yeah, yeah, I'm still jet lagging, but we're here.
Speaker 1:We're here tonight, want to give a shout out to all of our listeners, our viewers, those who are rocking with us on Spotify, apple, amazon Prime and, of course, on YouTube we have reached the 1K plus subscribers. We really appreciate that. We got there in three weeks of doing this show. We're on it on episode four and we're already at 1K plus. So thank you all for the love, thank you all for pulling up. We know more is going to come. So tell a friend to tell a friend, to tell a friend that we are out here doing our thing. Super Chat is wide open right now Pause. So thank you all for already supporting the Super Chats. We don't do it for that, but we appreciate the love because everything you give to us we're going to give back to you all in content, interviews and all of that good stuff.
Speaker 1:Last thing, I want to make sure I do shout out to Mile High Radio. They were actually playing our stuff last week and they're going to play it again this week out in Denver. So thank you all for the love as well. I want to make sure you plug in. Everybody that's out there that's showing support and showing love to us. So, with that being said, this is Hip Hop Talks. I'm Sean, I'm with my homies. Ag Got my man Coop. He got the Wu-Tang going on tonight. I got the Carolina Blue. You know. Ag got the. What is that? The belly looks Belly Supreme. We got a lot of stuff to get off our chest tonight. I'm going to hold these guys back for a whole week, until tonight. So now I'm about to unleash these guys. So, coop, I'm going to start with you. Man, let's get into the Coop's Corner.
Speaker 2:You know we just did an interview with Ill Will Lavin, the managing editor of Hip Hop DX. Yes, sir, a lot of people might be surprised at how amicable the conversation went. Yes, sir, and I saw a lot of people send messages to our YouTube page and some on Twitter about how they're just tired of seeing quote unquote him in that space. First of all, if you want to replace him, you need to know your shit the way he does. And he sat down and talked with all three of us fluidly and unscripted, and I find ourselves to be three gentlemen who, quite frankly, know their rap shit. So he held court with us and often took the lead rather well.
Speaker 2:So he knows his stuff. That's the first thing. Second of all, don't talk about it. You do it. If you don't like the seat that he's sitting in, go dedicate yourself to the game and to the craft like he has. Go take it. I'm the type of person that it's like I don't mind if you have a problem. I do have a problem if you don't have a solution, and so I saw too many people pull up with their problems and their scars and their trauma and not enough solutions to what they deem the problem, and that's where I'm respectfully going to intercede and not care what color you are. And that's where I'm respectfully going to intercede and not care what color you are, and that's all I got.
Speaker 4:What's up? I appreciate you saying that bro.
Speaker 1:It was a great interview. It told me a lot, man. I saw some of the comments. I'm like yo do? They know who this guy is? This guy got ties and connections to their favorite rappers. He knows everybody, everybody and he's a true hip-hop head. He he has a passion for hip-hop. For someone like that, who puts money and time and resources in a hip-hop the way you do it's, it's not something that you can overlook.
Speaker 2:you gotta show love to someone like, well, think, well, think about what he was saying. He was talking about how we spend money going out and on alcohol and on food, and he's like no, go support an artist, right.
Speaker 4:And you can see him light up during the interview when certain topics were brought up, like he's a hip-hop head for real to the core.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the mixtape conversation was like you know. That's one of those things we need to clip and archive.
Speaker 1:Right, absolutely, we have to. He lit up on it, like AG said.
Speaker 2:He lit up on it, you know what I mean Fourth of July or, in our case, juneteenth, fireworks.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and he wanted to stay longer. We had to like we rapping. Sean had to go out and be mixy.
Speaker 4:Just say what it is. You had to go out and be Mixie, just say what it is. You had to go out and be Mixie for a little bit.
Speaker 1:First of all, nothing wrong with socializing.
Speaker 2:There's nothing wrong with socializing at all.
Speaker 1:Gotta make rounds man. We're a movement right now.
Speaker 2:Gotta show people love man you know what I mean, right, but the reality of the matter also is that typically guys in his position when getting interviewed by guys in our space, they his position. And getting interviewed by guys in our space, oh, they're usually done after about 15, 30 minutes. Fam, right, unless they really are like digging the conversation. You know what I'm saying. And so he was obviously digging the conversation because I saw it creeping up on 50 minutes.
Speaker 2:I'm like, oh, this motherfucker want to kick it because we were trying to close it up and he was like he opened the conversation yeah, but that's how it be when you're with somebody who has a passion for it, like you have a passion for it.
Speaker 1:Facts facts and we didn't have anything scripted, we didn't have anything outlined, we just had a natural conversation. We told him when he got on live like yo, we're just gonna have a natural conversation about hip-hop and we'll let you lead the way and we'll just plug in pause so we see fit. And um, he was all for it. So salute to ill will man, salute, salute to will for just being able to pull up, taking time at his busy schedule. This was the same night that kindred diss had dropped. So you know, as the editor, the managing editor for hip-hop dx, he had to get to work, but he took time. And this was a busy time for him because it was like 4.30, 5.30 West Coast time when we did this interview. So he took time out of a busy day, a hot, heated day, to spend time with us for over an hour and a half to talk about hip hop, and he want to roll up again. So we're definitely going to invite him to the show again.
Speaker 1:He's part of the family now and those of you, like Coop said, those of you who are out there who look at a color thing, step out of there, go travel somewhere, go travel. You know what I mean Get out your little box and go travel and see what hip-hop looks like abroad. You know what I mean. Go to a different country and see how they represent hip hop and you will be amazed on how these guys love hip hop just as much, if not more, than, americans, because they put money into hip hop, they go to mad concerts and they support the pure of the purity of the artists. So again, hold your judgment.
Speaker 1:You don't know, these guys like that and shout out to the Super Chats. Super Chats are going crazy. Lp. I believe it's a few of you out there. Let me Apologies and events. We see the Super Chats coming through K1007,. We appreciate the love. Thank you for the Super Chats. We don't want to bog down our show tonight, so we're going to try to get the super chats as much as we can. But much respect to all of you who are showing love tonight as well. Appreciate it. So thank you Next, fellas.
Speaker 1:I think I got low in the background when low at man, this Jersey dudes man, these guys from Jersey man, I got some words for low man.
Speaker 2:I ain't the only one that's on one tonight, AG. You see your man's over here, right? I'm crazy right now.
Speaker 1:I'm on the front. I feel nice right now. There he go Low what it do man.
Speaker 5:Y'all can hear me yeah yeah, yeah, we hear you, it's good, it's good. So yeah, just let y'all know, something's coming tonight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, we heard it. Yeah, yeah, the boys coming tonight. No, it's confirmed. Yeah, yeah, it's confirmed, yeah, we're going to talk about it.
Speaker 5:Okay, okay, all right, cool, cool, what's good?
Speaker 1:You came at the right time. I'm here. I'm here, Yo. So let's go to Eminem real quick. We want to do some warm-ups before we get into the main topic. So Em got an album coming out. Do y'all have any expectations for this album? Are y'all feeling this album?
Speaker 4:I'll let y'all go first. I'll take the lead on this one. Out of everybody here I'm probably the biggest M fan, but you know. But I'll be honest, you know M's work hasn't been up to par in, you know, the past decade plus right. But I'm really looking forward to this project for one reason alone because I feel like it's going to be real conceptual.
Speaker 4:Right when Eminem came into the game, when the you know the Slim Shady tip, you know, just with the crazy, you know white boy, like you know, he was in that bag that he could be in to a certain demographic because he was younger. Now that demographic has grown up and he's grown up. So a lot of those same bars with the content and what he's doing with the rhymes. He can't get that off anymore because it sounds corny. So not saying that this will be as good as American Gangster, but I'm kind of making a parallel, thinking that It'll be in that same vein. What I mean is, once Jay-Z had matured to a certain point, american Gangster gave him the concept through the movie To get off some of the same bars and content he was getting off on Reasonable Doubt.
Speaker 4:So I'm looking at this m&m album as being okay, I'm going to kill the slim shady persona, but I can still you know him go out. You know it's slim shady. Go out without you know, without a fight swinging, whatever. I think it's going to be a real like a duality kind of thing, a real conceptual record where he can get some of those slim shady bars off and us as the fans not look at it as it's corny, coming from a 50 plus year old man. So I think I'm hoping that he takes that route and not saying it's going to be as good as American Gangsta. But you know we all love that album because Jay is the one that kind of time and that he was on Reasonable Doubt but he found that loophole because he could talk that talk through the concept of the movie for the album. So that's what I'm hoping this M album is conceptual and then we get a little piece of the Slim Shady back again, even if he has to die on his record. I think it'll be dope you know back again.
Speaker 5:even if he has to die on his record, I think it'll be dope. So, like with that said, do you think American Gangster J was slashing away the drug dealer persona and stepping into the more formal mature adult hip-hop artist?
Speaker 4:I think he was tapping back into it, only to be shown again in glimpses like a la Drug Deal, drug dealers, anonymous, or songs like that. I mean he still taps back into it every now and then, but for a whole project. That's the only project you know in his latter years that you can put next to reasonable doubt where he's talking so you comparing the death of slim shady to um to jay, one of his magnum opus, I don't know if I understand that correctly no, just the content, just to tap back into it, because if he comes out with what you
Speaker 1:mean what do you mean like tap? Do you mean Like tap into what?
Speaker 4:Like you're saying no no, no, the slim-shady, the crazy. You know slim-shady bars, like you know the murdering. You know the stuff he used to rap about on his first two albums. Right, if he just does that from a regular vantage point, coming from a 51 or however old he is, your old man, that's going to look crazy. It's going to look corny, right actually.
Speaker 2:So I'm with you on the artistic perspective. I get, I get where you're trying to go, like you're speaking creatively. It's allowing him to tap into a well right, he really, technically, for where he's at, shouldn't be tapping into Right, and I might be wrong, this is just me hoping, right. No, creatively, I can understand that and I can even agree with you on that. This gives him ability to kind of go back in time or jump into a time machine and maybe cover things content-wise. That would be deemed kind of corny, as you say, for a 50-year-old, 50-something-odd-year-old rapper. But what I will tell you is that and I'm not saying this like you know what I mean in any sort of disrespectful way it's been so long since he really made a dope project that I just want him and Dre to try something different at this point, because they've got nothing to lose. Their legacies are cemented and stamped.
Speaker 2:So I hope, wherever he takes us, I hope they just take us somewhere else than they've taken us before. You know what I mean when I say that. It's like we know what the formula is that works for you guys. We know that you're going to do numbers. We know that it's going to move. Give me some other shit I wasn't expecting from the two of you. You know what I mean. That's what I would really like to hear. It's like I don't know. It's hard. I think sometimes we get skewed by this whole Nas hit run, it's like, and even what Wayne's doing right now. There's a few guys that operate right now that are outliers in terms of what your output really looks like after x amount of years, and so I don't know if it's fair to like say that this album is going to be great, but I feel like if they could just take us somewhere different, it'd be good for their legacies but what we gotta consider too, like you know, and what everything I said is all speculation.
Speaker 4:I, you, coop, that would be interesting if they took us somewhere new. But when some of his you know classics or close to classics were made, there were a lot of substances involved and you know it was a lot of different variables, you know. And those variables are no longer in play. You know my man's a sober, you know him and Dre are both older now, so it'll be interesting what they can come up with. But, like I said, as a fan, I think if he approached it from that conceptual vantage point of wanting to tap back into the Slim Shady persona to get rid of him for good, I think that would be genius and he could pull it off with it out without it being corny. But I just use Jay that's the only analogy that I could come up with to revisit bars that you used to say on your first album that you couldn't really get off later in your career.
Speaker 2:I think you're talking content, I'm talking creatively, I'm talking from the perspective of that they can do another Guilty Conscience, except for make it from the elder perspective of how the guilty conscience is talking to now the middle-aged white guy from the trailer park, you know what I'm saying, right, but if they revisit concepts that they did before, you got to be careful with that because you got to make sure they're up to par with what you're revisiting.
Speaker 4:Fair.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what say you Coop?
Speaker 2:I just went, sean, drunk. Oh, I mean, I always have more. I mean also too, it's like, judging from the imagery of just the visual aid that we got, you know, it does appear to be like this is going to be like a little off the wall kind of antic, like a little bit like you know, yeah, I didn't want to say the word zany, but that's actually exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 2:It's going to be like some of that, but that's what I mean. It's like I want them to put a twist on it or do something different. It's like we know that y'all do that. You know what I'm saying. We don't need a. I mean he, he is too old to be making like hi, my name is, and like I'm the real shady, Like he is too old to be doing those records. You know what I'm saying. And those are the zany records and that and theme-wise to tap in. It's like no, no, no, you can't throw her in the trunk but so many times and drive off the river.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but let me ask you all this Do you all feel like this will be his final album? Do you think that this is his indirect way of saying he's retiring? I hope so.
Speaker 5:I wouldn't be mad at that. Like Eminem, has solid a pillar as a lyrical component to this game called hip-hop and I think this is the right way to go out. I'm stripping that persona. I'm dead in that persona. He's been sober for 16 years, you know.
Speaker 5:We got to give him his credit where his credit is due and I'm not the biggest Eminem fan but at the same time I'm not going to deny what this man can do pen to pad, you know, for the last 20 years. You know I'm saying so. If this is his swan song, even if I don't like it, I gotta respect it and salute it and wave that flag of. Like one of the aggressors, one of the best, has now laid down his sword and laid out his pen for the next generation to come in. And if this is it, then this is it. You know I'm saying like if it's bad, if it's good, if it's, I'm indifferent, but it's not going to change my perception or sway my opinion of who he is and what he's contributed to the guys that love to write and rap and scheme and you know that's where Kendrick come from.
Speaker 4:Thanks, though. Thank you for being objective.
Speaker 5:I always tell y'all, like I'm not the biggest Eminem fan, I'm not going to say a lot like I'm not. But I'm also not going to be oblivious to what this man has contributed to this game called hip hop.
Speaker 4:You respect the craft.
Speaker 5:I respect the craft.
Speaker 4:And speaking to his craft, one one thing I have as a wishlist. I think Eminem has been hyper-focused on proving that he's the best at technical rap abilities over the last decade or more. We don't care about that anymore, bro. Just like rap, come out with dope concepts, concepts, dope bars, witty punchlines, whatever, but him proving that he can technically fit all these syllables into each bar. Whatever we get it, you the best at that, but it's not translating to good music. So if he gets back to what made him a household name in the first place, I think he'll be straight. Back to what made him a household name in the first place, I think he'll be straight.
Speaker 5:But, even if he doesn't, even if he doesn't get back to that household music and that pop star billboard shit, that's okay. It's okay. He's one of the top-selling hip-hop artists of all time. You've already proved and put your flag in the fucking sand.
Speaker 2:Isn't he number one?
Speaker 5:Yeah, alright, so like this album could be doo-doo, trash, whatever, all right, whatever, say what you will, but let's go back into that man's catalog and really revisit what he's done pen to pad and going against these pop artists and selling out these world tours and linking up with dr dre and snoop and all these guys. It's like, bro, you've checked off a lot of the boxes that a lot of these guys can't check off. So if that's the case, then that's the case.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Much respect to Eminem. I hope this is his last one, respectfully. Here's my thing, fellas. I think that when Elm tried to change his persona at that one point, when it was Beef with G-Unit I mean G-Un beef G unit was going against murder Inc and all of that was going on and he switched it up and started talking that that, that greasy talk I think that was a. He went on a different trajectory for me because after that we saw a different side of him that we was like do we really believe that guy? Is this the guy that's talking crazy? Are you going to put Ja in a chokehold or whatever the case may be? And he was talking very aggressive in this battle.
Speaker 1:I think during that time M changed his trajectory Because if you think about the albums that came after that, like really right after that, it was a different vibration. It wasn't the jovial stuff, it wasn't the dancey stuff or the joking stuff. He became a little bit more serious. He lost his best friend. It got a little darker. So he started going into that slump. The music that got him to that pinnacle. It started to dip a little bit because he got more cynical. He got a little bit more dark and more serious.
Speaker 4:And his production too.
Speaker 1:Everything, everything, everything changed. So his trajectory changed. He started messing with drugs. He became addicted because he was going through it. God bless him. But his music changed as well. So what Eminem are we going to get? What version are we going to get? Are we going to get Toy Soldier version, or are we going to get what version are we going to get? Are we going to get toy soldier version, or are we going to get how my name is version? You know what I mean.
Speaker 5:I think we get the reflective. I think we get a glimpse and a gloss over everything he's done, everything he's been through, everything he's battled, the things that we know and the things that we don't know. I think this is the open diary of like. Here it is, and this is the last time I'm going to tell y'all and there's going to be things that I'm going to tell y'all that y'all didn't know I was battling, that y'all didn't know I was dealing with my relationships, my strain with industry relationships. Maybe he comes hat in hand and apologizes to people we don't know what it is, but when it's your swan song, you acknowledge and you address everything under the sun and I think that's what. That the speculation. Like you said earlier, all this is speculation. These are the cards on the table that it could be.
Speaker 4:Right, right.
Speaker 1:Much respect to the bro. I hope he comes out with something good that we can talk about and go from there. He's a vet, he's one of the best, so you got to respect that. Yep, conway cool. What are your thoughts, man?
Speaker 2:you know, my first thought is is that this is the first time that it seems like he's taking somewhat of a break, since, like I mean, a lot of people don't know, I mean, how long kind of. We've been around about eight years at least now, but eight years, yeah, I feel like I. I feel like I heard the cow almost 10 years ago. It damn near feels like you know what I'm saying, which I still think is one of the best verses ever. When I look at the track list, I see somebody that's trying to find that tight rope and that balance between all of their tools that are in their toolbox, and so I think this is the album where he's literally like I know I got all the tools. You know what I'm saying. How do I pull all my tools out this toolbox within one project? You know what I'm saying Because what we really find with his projects is that there's always a concentrated effort to do something Like.
Speaker 2:On some albums he wants to give you his pain. On some albums he wants to show you that he's the best rapper. That was a lot of the early stuff, and From a King to a God is kind of like his statement piece. Other times he wants to tell you that he has stuff going on. You know what I'm saying, that he's like a regular guy, and so it's like I think this is the album where we hear all of that on one album, though you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think that is the thing, and you know, I mean I hate to bring him up because I mean these are just the guys that balancedupac could do, the things that big was kind of getting into on life after death. I think that's kind of like his approach to this project just based on the track list and the names of the characters that are going to be involved is that he's trying to balance everything and pull all his tools out the toolbox. For this one, no doubt and I'm excited for that because he is Griselda's most versatile artist he is, in my opinion, one of the top five MCs over the last five years. If I was picking somebody, he'd be in my top five, you know, and so I think we're going to get a project that reflects all the tools we've watched him assess and amass over the last few years.
Speaker 1:Lowell, are you excited for this one coming?
Speaker 5:out. I don't know, but a lot of niggas got tools in a toolbox but they don't got the instruction manual. What's up, bro?
Speaker 1:we're doing that, okay. How does that relate to conway? I mean, you can't stop there, keep going. No, I'm not saying it's bad.
Speaker 5:I'm just saying he's got to have that instruction manual. He's got to know where he's got to go and what he's building. That's all. That's no slight to him. He's got to just know what he's got to build Right, and he only has that. We don't got it, he got it.
Speaker 2:Right, that's that tightrope I'm talking about, where it's like, no, you don't want to be on, you don't want to be leaning on one side of the tight rope or the other when you got, like the guest list that he has, you know you gotta be like you gotta be.
Speaker 1:You gotta be the man steering the ship.
Speaker 2:Still, you know what I'm saying right, right, yeah, like you don't need to feel like you know conway featuring you know what I'm saying like some of our best rap albums. It's like I mean I always go back on some some Wu-Tang shit to the purple tape. It's like, yeah, everybody's all over the purple tape, but the shit still feel like it's raised. You know what I'm saying. It still feel like he is.
Speaker 5:Hold on, I just got a text from Apple. I bought my Apple. I got to handle some Drake shit that's about to unfold. I got to rerecord some shit, so I'm going to handle that. I'm going to try to jump back on Some shit's about to go down. I just got to handle this professional shit real quick.
Speaker 4:No doubt.
Speaker 1:Love y'all Peace.
Speaker 2:Well, we know what's coming tonight when.
Speaker 1:Drake is coming. Everybody move out the way. We'll get that to the second yeah. All you KDOT fans, we'll get that to the second. All you KKKs, kkks. That's crazy. Crazy for Kung Fu, kenny, crazy for Kung Fu, kenny. Trademark. That shit, bro, ag. What do you think about this? Conway, I know you're a Conway fan as well. Are you excited for this album coming out?
Speaker 4:I don't know. That's my honest answer because I'm looking at the bigger picture, right? Yeah, the Benny album was supposed to be the one right to take things to the next level. I think Griselda's at a weird place, like a fork in the road, where they can keep on the same path or their trajectory can go a little higher, or, you know, did they? Are we looking to say that they plateaued at this point or do they have higher heights to go to say that they plateaued at this point or do they have higher heights to go to? The Benny album was supposed to be the album under that flag, under the that banner, to take them to that height.
Speaker 4:I don't feel like it did that, if I'm being honest. Um, it didn't have much staying power, much lasting power. So I feel that Conway has pressure as a solo artist and pressure for the you know, griselda Brink to try to take things to the next level, now that you know Benny was supposed to. You know I'm not saying that he completely dropped the ball, but if you're in Conway's position now, I don't feel like you can release the status quo quote-unquote Conway album. I feel like it has to be better than that if you're going to move the needle some more.
Speaker 2:So I would agree with you to a degree on that. I think here's an appropriate way to kind of state and not saying that this album will be that good because the album about the name is that good, but he might be in, not in, not in years time, because you know, like everything about your legacy now happens faster than it did before and so he's kind of in the place that Ghost was in before Ghost dropped Supreme Clientele. It's like people that really started to question the brand for the first time really you know what I'm saying wonder what the brand's staying power look like, and then Ghost came and smacked us all with Supreme.
Speaker 4:you know what I'm saying that analogy is I'm not saying he's about to make.
Speaker 2:Supreme, because Supreme is Supreme no, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying he's about to make Supreme, because Supreme is Supreme to me.
Speaker 4:No, I'm not saying that, I'm just saying From a group standpoint. Yes, you know, on the shirt you rocking the Wu logo, people were questioning the brand in 2000. But Ghost, as a MC, individually elevated On everything he was on. On Cuban Link he was better than what he was On 36. On Iron man he was better than what he was on On Cuban Link, he was better than what he was on 36. On Iron man, he was better than what he was on Cuban Link. On Forever he was better than what he was on Iron man. And then, when Supreme came, he had reached his final form. Conway, on the other hand, has kind of been, you know, peaks, valleys and kind of steadying out a little bit. You know what I mean. Has it been a progression to a final form as a solo MC? So I agree with the analogy from the brand standpoint, but not him as an individual.
Speaker 2:Let's see. But this is what I'm saying. Ghost is the best rapper on Wu-Tang Forever. Like on Wu-Tang Forever, he's the best MC. You understand that right.
Speaker 4:It's either him or Deck, and Raekwon too. Raekwon's right there, it's between them three.
Speaker 1:I think Ghost showed more passion and emotion.
Speaker 4:He had more range. He had more range, you're right.
Speaker 2:We like Dorothy Hamill on ice.
Speaker 1:We might circle, you got to circle when you do that, you got to circle when you do it Yo.
Speaker 2:When you're talking like that, you're talking different.
Speaker 4:Right, shout out to Ghost dropping the track tonight with Nas. You know scar tissue at midnight. I know Drake gonna drop, but my ears gonna go to that Ghost and Nas first.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying you gotta start there, so we'll put a button on West Side. I think this is gonna be very similar to Benny. If you look at who's going to be on this Futurize or who's producing it, he's opened up his palette. Right now he's opening up a little bit more and I guess he's trying to get a different sound. You got Method man on it, you got Absol, you got two abstracts on it. You already have the Griselda soundscape, but now he's tapping into others. He's going to have Tech N9ne on there. I think Tech N9ne is going to produce a song on there. Matter of fact, he's going to show a different range that we probably haven't seen before.
Speaker 1:If you look at the producer and the artist lineup that he has for this album, it's very Benny-esque If he was on a big-time label. Because right now I think West Side have to do at this point I mean, I'm sorry what Conway have to do at this point is show that he has that range that Coop was talking about, because you know what West Side Gunn has, you know what he is, you know what Vinny is, but you really don't know what Conway is. You still have to figure out. Like you say, aj, he has ups and downs, he has the peaks and the valleys. So you have to figure out exactly where he stands amongst the group itself, and I think this album has to be that one. If he doesn't hit on this album, that's a different conversation. Guys, I'm being honest.
Speaker 4:Before we get off this Conway topic, let me ask you this question benny did gas his project for a year before it came out and then you know that put his expectations through the roof, and it was on a major label, no doubt. Now conway, you know he kind of, his releases are on the quiet tip, you know, so wise if it's just as good or better than the Benny album, I think his job well done, you know. I think you know he succeeded in what he tried to do and then he could move the brand forward a little bit, because I think Benny was looked at as not meeting the lofty expectations that he set for himself, whereas if Conway dropped with a quiet confidence and don't say too much and just let the artist speak for himself, I think that would be the best bet.
Speaker 1:But he has so many heavy hitters right now he got Alchemist on here producing. He has Kool and Dre. You're going to Kool and Dre. You're going for a different soundscape.
Speaker 4:But he's just putting it out there. He put out the list, but he's not talking about it. He kept talking and talking, and talking and talking.
Speaker 2:I get what you're saying. The set of expectations is different, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:But I mean they're actually moving how we know them to move, like Benny's kind of the talker of the crew and the more vocal and social one, and Conway's more of the recluse and more of the anti-social one and the one who kind of just drops. It's like I woke up one day and Lemon was out and I was like damn it, like he didn't say nothing. Yeah, it was just. It was just here one day. You know what I'm saying. That's kind of like how he likes to operate and it's like you know what I mean. So I think they're just showing how they operate.
Speaker 2:But Conway's also proven himself to be the better album maker of the two, in my opinion. Wow, so you got Conway, benny and then Westside. I mean Westside makes the best albums. If you're going through the order of the best albums in their crew, like if you were doing the top 10 list, I'd say four of them are probably west side albums. Yeah, wow, okay, yeah, four of the 10 would be west side albums, probably. If we're just talking about between the three of them, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah yeah, I got conway the best lyrics and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, conway's the best mc in the crew. To me, still right. Pray for paris is the best album. Uh, you know. And benny is the more you know. He's your front man, he's a star. Yeah, you know right.
Speaker 4:Method man was for the woo, but I never, at one point, did I think Method was the best in the woo.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, that was.
Speaker 4:I mean.
Speaker 2:How about this? It's like. That might be a conversation for another day, but I'm telling a lot of truths today that a lot of people don't want to say there's a reason Meth vs Chef is on Method man album and not Chef's, True, and I'm a Ray guy and I know that Meth vs Chef like. Go listen to Meth and Ray on Meth vs Chef.
Speaker 4:If it was a window, it was a small window, we'll just say that. But he was always the most versatile. But most versatile doesn't always mean the best. The triple-double guy is not necessarily the best player on the court.
Speaker 2:I think early on him and GZA were probably the best because they were probably the most well-crafted Like. Meph has even spoken to the fact that Ray became a better MC when Ray stopped hanging in the streets as much, you know what I'm saying. Like, the more Ray started to actually work on his craft, the nicer he got. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Mef and GZA were the ones that was really like in the studio you know what I'm saying, gza, you know we gotta put an a asterisk to that because, just being honest, he had already been in the game for a little while when they formed the crew. But yeah, I see what y'all are saying.
Speaker 1:Speaking of which drops tonight Scar tissue midnight video and all Can't wait for this one. This is the one that Todd's been talking about for months, since Ghost signed with Mass Appeal. Shout out to Mass Appeal, Shout out to Mass Appeal. For sure for actually getting this going and actually getting Ghost on the label. I'm excited for this one. You guys know Nas number one to me, number one Ghost. But Ghost is my number two, Always been, Always been. Since Iron man, Ghost be my number two. I'm excited for this. Are you guys looking forward for this one tonight at midnight?
Speaker 2:Define excited.
Speaker 1:It's my one and two. It's my personal favorites.
Speaker 2:It's my one and two, Okay so here's what I mean when you're dealing with guys of this stature who have been doing this for so long. It's like am I expecting a hip-hop classic? No, no. It's like am I expecting a hip-hop classic? No, no. But it would be nice, listen, it would be nice if we got a song of the year contender out of the two of them. You know what I mean that. Yeah, that would be nice, like something that we can look back on and be like yo, you remember that nas and ghost, because usually it's nas and ray and ghost or nas and ray. You really don't get a nas and ghost. It's the first, this is the first that's exactly, that was my thing this is my one and two.
Speaker 4:This is my one and two in my personal top five we haven't heard them two on a track together since 95, correct?
Speaker 1:no, no, no, no, no, yes. What, yeah, cause? No, no, no, no, no yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because Let my Niggas Live Is Deck and Ray on the W.
Speaker 4:And Deck and Deck and Nas got Dope Chemistry. I wish we would have got more of that. And RZA said that it was A track out there. I think Nas had laid a Verse for Investigative Reports. Yeah, so I would have liked to hear you know naz and jizz on the same track.
Speaker 2:I've been crazy, but um I think just a swap out. It's like jizz.
Speaker 4:Don't feel like rapping, call naz yes, jizz didn't feel like rapping off forever, he was only like five tracks, but that's another story. Five, was it even five? It might, it might not have been, but um, but my excitement level once again I'm just trying to look at bigger picture. Man, it's just dope to see what these brothers are doing. Um, ghost this is his release on mass appeal and you know which is. You know nas's label and um, you know they go way back, have a history, just been on two legs of a tour together. I mean, however, the song sounds is fine, whatever, but this is a full circle moment for both of these gentlemen and I'm just happy that it's happening.
Speaker 4:And Nas on Mass Appeal is. I mean, ghost on Mass Appeal is just a dope thing. And you know it makes perfect sense to have Nas, the first feature of your first single to your new album, on that label. It just makes all the sense in the world. So Ghost was one of the features that I had on my wish list for the premiere album. So even if we don't get that, at least we're getting this.
Speaker 1:You know, absolutely. I'm looking forward to it. I'm excited.
Speaker 4:Do you know who's on the production Sean?
Speaker 1:I had it. I can't remember the name. I had it written down somewhere. I couldn't find it. Hit me up. You know what it is. So, fellas, already getting to it, let's do it. Okay, hit me up. You know what it is. So, fellas, y'all ready to get into it, let's do it. Who want to kick off? Man, I'm going to let y'all get y'all shit off. Who want to kick it off?
Speaker 2:Go ahead AG.
Speaker 4:Alright, well, I got notes so I might be here for a minute. You know what I'm saying. Let me cook at the stove and get the skillets out and the pots and pans and y'all can set up the cutlery at the table or something. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:First of all, I don't set tables. I don't set tables. You can check on the air fryer Coop. You know what I mean. That sounds better. I'll make the potato salad or something I bet, I bet.
Speaker 4:So first of all, I just want to say I don't have a dog in this fight. So this is my disclaimer, because you know people probably cook in the comments or whatever. But my thing is, the horse that I picked in the race was Cole. Cole waved a white flag and he bowed out. So I don't have a dog in this race. Before anybody in the comments say that I'm caping for drake or whatever, you know what I mean. So between drake and kendrick, you know I don't have a dog in this race. I'm just trying to speak truth and be real about it, all right. Second thing, I want to get to um, you know this I said on the last show that this was going to be an uphill battle for Drake.
Speaker 4:Anyway, I said I found it hard for him to win because everything he does gets downplayed and everything Kendrick does gets overinflated. So you know, I think that's pretty much you know, coming to fruition at this point already. And then I also said it would be an uphill battle for Kendrick because he took so long to respond. A lot of his material would have to be rehashed material because you had AI discs that were coming out that were fake. Material because you had AI discs that were coming out that were fake and you had the Ross disc and you had all these things lining up that people were saying that he was probably going to use. So it takes a little bit of the sting away from what he was going to say. So I said that on the last show. I think that came to fruition as well and I'm keeping the same energy. Sean know we talked behind the scenes before the last show. You know for y'all calling me a drake stan or whatever, check the tape of the last show because I went on a full-on rant about that use of ai with drake's record. I wasn't with that. I called, called sean. I ran it for about an hour on that because I thought it was detrimental to hip hop. So I'm just keeping it consistent across the board.
Speaker 4:So let's get into the track Euphoria right First off. The other day I was about to go on my lunch break at work, my phone's blowing up. I see that Kendrick dropped. I'm going straight to my whip and I'm excited to put the diss track on. I put it on and I start rolling my eyes out the gate as soon as the track starts. That's crazy. I was perturbed, if there was any word. Because here's the thing Tone matters, guys and a lot of people. When cole came out with his disc record, people was talking about his tone. He wasn't saying everything with his chest as far as the disc is concerned, right. So to me tone matters. I put on this drake euphoria record and granted the teddy, the teddy p sample was smooth. I'll give it that it was smooth.
Speaker 4:But a battle is not the time to come on a track damn near whispering, right, just kind of. You know it. Now is not the time to do it like who said on the short that he put out you know, say it, say it with you, you know with your grown man voice. And later on on in the track Kendrick alluded to when Drake looks in the mirror with him in sexy red or in a picture or whatever, he sees two bad chicks.
Speaker 4:Well, I feel like Kendrick's tone at the beginning of the record sounded like us fellas when we on the phone with a bad chick Like yo girl, you know what I mean, that kind of tone we have. So I I'm like, what is this dude doing? You don't tell no lies about me, I won't tell no truths about. You like whispering. I'm like, yo, this is crazy. Like if the whole track is going to be like this, this is trash, but then, but then we get a beat switch. So I'm like, oh, before I get off this point, everybody who's talking about they like the build up and him you know whispering, and then building up to the hypeness. If drake released a diss track where he was crooning at the beginning of the record and then went into rapping, y'all would fry him, cook him. You know what I'm saying? Nah, you got to keep the same energy.
Speaker 2:Got to keep the same energy. Not to cut you off AG, but that's what I meant when I was talking about. We got to play by the same rules. Same rules as possible. Like this, nigga coming in with the Teddy P singing and shit Drake, do that, it's over, right, yeah, so I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off, go ahead.
Speaker 4:No, no, that's a fact. That's a fact. If drake did that crooning or whatever, it would be lights out, right. So then we get a b switch. So I'm like, okay, it's up now we, we get ready to go. Then he comes on with the bars sounding like he going through puberty, fam, like voice cracking. I'm like what is going on? And then then he did a like a beat drop and it was just acapella and I was like yo, this is like nails on a chalkboard. It's crazy, it was like for real, annoying. Now here, here's my problem with those antics and with those voices. Right, a battle is not the time to do that.
Speaker 4:Like Coop said, say it with your grown man voice. Him doing those vocal inflections takes away. He could be spitting the dopest stuff in the world. It takes away from that and it distracting. But people once again don't keep the same energy.
Speaker 4:I know people when eminem is spitting he could be saying the dopest lyrics ever they'd be like, oh yo, his voice is corny, I can't, I can't stand it, or whatever. But at least eminem came into the game. On that we just got through talking about slim shady. He came into the game on that type of time with that character type animation Kendrick busted out, and I don't know why people like that, bro, it's like crazy to me and people it's some exceptions to the rule. I don't like it when Nikki does it, but Monster would be the exception to the rule because she killed that verse, right. But these voices I'm like yo, he's already lost me, sounding like he going through puberty, like with his voice cracking, trying to get hype or whatever. I'm like bro, just rap, just rap, right. So then, and just to my point of how like a voice change in some animation could take away from it on Blueprint, because, as joe budden or whoever else, they try to gas that track up. But to me, jay lost me when they get on the hook and say I got my mojo back, baby. Oh, behave like you picking a diss track, my god, to quote austin powers, and have a british accent. Like fam, no. And like my man sean was saying like when he got on Super Ugly, you know he starts it out, uh-oh. Like doing the Nelly, uh-oh. A diss track is not the time to do that. So I never liked those records for that reason. So I'm going to keep that same energy.
Speaker 4:But then, you know, kendrick started cooking the latter part of the second verse and the beginning of the third verse, right, he started saying some dope stuff. The bars was there and he was rapping in his normal voice, which I appreciate it. I'm like man. I wish he would have started to join off like this, right.
Speaker 4:But here's the problems that I had with it. No new information was was given to us, right. Um, a lot of the disses didn't hit as hard because of stuff we had heard before from other people, like the ab scheme was crazy, like you know, I'm paraphrasing. But you know, um, have asked your core fans, the stomach that. Ask them where you got your abs from, or whatever the. You know the core, the abs, the stomach that that was a dope scheme. But rick ross already did the fake ab bar, so didn't hit as hard.
Speaker 4:Um, the whole accent thing joe button already did that years ago and I don't think joe buttonsn's disses on Drake Drake get brought up often enough. He went through the whole thing with, you know, kendrick's at changing, I'm sorry with Drake changing his accent a lot of times, but what that taught me is that with a lot of these, this records is more focused on the messenger who's given it than the actual message itself. You could take the exact same message, have somebody else give it and then people are downplaying it like oh, that's whack, whatever. But then give that same message to somebody else and then they acting like it's the best thing you know, quoted since the bible or whatever. So I mean that that. Just I never understood that um, drake's record contract situation Push already touched upon that on Exodus 23 one and that those bars didn't really land to me. Because you know Drake was talking about Kendrick splits and I'm sure Drake's initial contract isn't the same. It was, you know, back years ago. So I don't think Drake even comes at Kendrick with those bars if his, you know, paperwork isn't the same. It was, you know, back years ago. So I don't think Drake even comes at Kendrick with those bars if his, you know paperwork isn't in order. You know so Kendrick saying you signed to this guy who signed to that guy, whatever, that didn't land, it's already been done and we'll get to Drake's kid in a minute, right.
Speaker 4:But I look at it like this, you know not to get too deep into sports, but like I'm using an analogy like a dunk contest. Right when JR Ryder for those of you who are old enough did the between the legs dunk, our mind was blown because that was like the first time we had seen somebody do that in a dunk contest. But after that people started putting, started putting you know, different little spins and variations on it and if it wasn't too crazy, it wasn't too mind-blowing because we had seen it before. You know what I mean. They might put a little extra sauce on it, pause, but you know you weren't jumping out of your seat giving a 10 because we had seen it before. We was kind of numb to it. So that's my point. With some of these bars that were being spit on the record, we had heard them before already, so they wasn't landing as much as they could. So but anyway, drake's kid right pusher already got those bars off and that was salacious because drake was literally hiding a child. But now you know the kid's what In first, second grade. You know what I'm saying. It's kind of wild.
Speaker 4:You know, kendrick trying to like paint Drake as a deadbeat dad at this point, when we've seen Drake interacting with his son on many occasions at sporting events or what have you, you know, and Kendrick, you know you'll appreciate this one, kendrick, trying to use this as an opportunity to say no, I ain't digging dirt up on you, because I don't have time to do that, because I'm raising a family, I'm raising a son, what you think? My life revolves around Rap. So you basically cop and please, because there's plenty of artists out here that's still dedicated to their craft all around rap. So you basically cop and please, because there's plenty of artists out here that's still dedicated to their craft, dedicated to the art, and still raising their children. So I don't want to hear anybody say anything if Kendrick take another five-year break, because I'm going to be like yo. He told y'all he don't got time for rap because he's too busy raising his kid, teaching them how to pray, teaching them integrity, all this other stuff that you know other artists can juggle while they're being an artist.
Speaker 2:You know, yo, the way you're breaking this down. This is my problem with the diss. Do you see that in order to understand this diss, we got to go piece by piece and block by block and step by step? There's no wow factor in that. That's not fucking fun. It's not. This is supposed to be fun and entertaining. Damn it. I don't care how dope the bars are, it's called the entertainment business.
Speaker 4:It is and it's not, and this is the thing.
Speaker 2:This is not entertaining Like the bars are dope. The bars are dope, but it's like it's not entertaining. There's no wow factor.
Speaker 4:And the stuff that's attempted to be entertaining. It's angles at play here, but I'm questioning the angles Because let's look at this angle, for instance, right. So he's basically calling Drake a deadbeat angle. You know, deadbeat, dad, and talking about we don't even respect the women that you smash, because you know they confuse themselves with real women.
Speaker 2:But on the flip side. Wasn't this the dude sleeping with white women while he was having an affair with his wife? Not only that. This is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4:Not only that, coop, but he aligned himself with Future, who is the most toxic, misogynistic guy that we have in rap. And on top of that, like Jay-Z said, in the future you know somebody playing football with your son. Future got mad different baby mamas out here. You know what I'm saying. So he ain't the best dad role model and Kendrick's aligning himself with him on like that, but didn't want to talk about you know Drake as a dad, or Drake how he's doing with women.
Speaker 2:See, but this is what I mean, ag, we keep on breaking it down.
Speaker 4:Yeah, breaking it down, I'm parsing it out, I'm almost done, I'm in closing. But and here's the thing, right To your point, coop. To your point, right, kendrick admitted to being, you know, unfaithful and having transgressions on Mr Morale, right? So why are you worried about what the single guy's doing? If he's out here smashing thots, that's his business. You know what I'm saying. He's the bachelor. I mean. Why are you worried about what he's doing?
Speaker 4:Were those women that you were, like you know, cheating on your wife with? Were they respectable women, like, let's just keep it a buck, bro. Like cheating on your wife with? Were they respectable women, like, let's just keep it a buck, bro. Like the righteous holy denial thing is like crazy. Drake ain't married, he ain't even engaged, that I know. If he out here doing his thing, he a bachelor. You know like I ain't mad at it, whatever. So I don't like those and I don't like contradictions and disses. You know, I pointed out on twitter the other day.
Speaker 4:Jay, on blueprintueprint too, said I will not lose. So, even in defeat, it's a valuable lesson learned. So it evens it up for me. He's admitting defeat but, like you know, I still learn from this. Learn from it, right. But then on SoulPod he says moral victories are for minor league coaches. Which one is it Jay Like? Is it you taking the moral victory or you ain't about moral victory? So I hate contradictions and beefs. Right, kendrick? And this record says this is a friendly fade. Let's keep it that way. But in like that he said I'm snatching chains and burning tattoos.
Speaker 2:I mean, but, ag, this is what I keep trying to tell everybody, and I've been saying it about Kendrick for years. Yes, that's who he is. He really can't explain to you the rationale for the things that he says. Right, he literally be he'd be talking fly to you because it sounds fly to you. That's what I'm saying. Like, you can't take this.
Speaker 2:You've got to look at the source, right, like, first of all, some of the same stuff that he's talking about, and this is what I mean about how it's going to be tough to fade that he's talking about, and this is what I mean about how it's going to be tough to fade Drake. Well, half the stuff he said had already been said. Because Drake has taken so many shots from so many different people you know what I mean there's not been so much material you're going to be able to cover. And so, between the material that's already been covered and the contradiction and the source and the fact that the only reason that we're really talking about this record like that is because he ain't made a record like this in about seven years, has in a good one, has in one that you can actually take outside as a fan of his and be proud of, on the sense that he actually made a good song, when the reality of the matter is there's no wow factor. It's too long, don't kill me, don't, don't talk to me about verbally what he's saying.
Speaker 2:You started off a battle rap song singing over a Teddy P loop. Yeah, there's nothing about that that says challenge. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:Yeah, and let me say this Cool, I think the whole the colorism card is being overplayed too. Let's just, let's just call it what it is like. You know, ross ross started off with the white boy thing and but I'm like I'm confused as to why you would do that. Because, kendrick, I've been to a kendrick concert. Majority of kendrick's fan base is white, and so I don't understand trying to paint drake, like if you got a fan base that has biracial people or white people, you trying to take that angle, like we don't want you saying the N-word or whatever. That's kind of alienating a group of your fans because you're trying to shame somebody from doing that who's. Technically, you know, it's kind of weird to me, but I don't know what Kendrick is going to do if he performs this live and has 10,000 white people saying in unison with them we don't want to hear you say no more. Like are you going to call out those 10,000 people?
Speaker 2:for saying it. He's not thinking about it, guys. That's what I mean. First of all, it's very clear to me that this sounds like somebody, like I said in my video, that listened to three different beats picked. Two of them wrote this song so many ways because he's trying so hard. A battle rap isn't about skill, it's about will. You know what I'm saying? Like, if the skill comes out, that's like a bonus point when you put that component of it together. But you got to have the will first, because the will is what gives it its energy. You know what I'm saying. The will is what gives it its edge. The will is what, like, puts it over the top. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you this this doesn't have that and quite frankly, you know I told you these niggas just too happy. I mean not Kendrick, because he's depressed and that's why his last album was depressed and the nerve of him. You didn't talk about the biggest contradiction. He tried to sneak in the fact and call his last album a classic. No, that album was no good Album was no good. He tried to sneak it in. He think he's slick.
Speaker 4:And Drake does have classics. Drake does have classics, let's not do that.
Speaker 2:Let's be honest. Neither one of them made a classic in a minute. Kendrick ain't made a dope song in seven years. It's like people walking around, like something special going on. That's why I call them cowboy fans. Y'all make me sick.
Speaker 4:This man made one good song in seven years.
Speaker 2:Make me sick. You make one good song in seven years. Make me sick. You make one good song in seven years and all of a sudden y'all want to start toting around the flag. About a year and a half ago I interviewed chris the glove taylor, who still lives in fucking la. I asked him if they were playing that shit outside. He said he hadn't heard it wow, but that.
Speaker 4:But that's the thing, coop. Do you think that this song warrants the boogeyman persona, that joe button? I think he's the one that coined that phrase and everybody adopted that but do you think it warrants that? Because I hate to bring up Jay and Nas with Ether or whatever, but back then we all were there. When Ether came out, we knew Jay was on the mat and nobody was even looking for a response from Jay after that. So this situation if this track is as dope as everybody's saying it is they say it like it's a knockout punch Then why is everybody waiting on Drake's response? It should be lights out, it should be over, right, but in reality this song is just on the level of pushups I put them songs about on the same level. I don't think this is any better or any worse. I think they're both good, solid jabs.
Speaker 2:Okay, see, here's. Here's the problem. This is what I mean. It gets overinflated and it gets overstated because it's him, and this is exactly what I mean. I want you to really think about this. I've been saying on podcasts for four years now I don't like Nostradamus. The only thing that makes Nostradamus sound good is Kendrick's last album. I have to stop talking shit about Nostradamus and 444. That album is so terrible. Those albums are terrible too. You know what else is terrible? Magna Carta, holy Grail it's terrible. Kingdom Come it's terrible. Untitled by Nas. They're like oh, the content's so great. How about? I don't give a fuck, the album ain't no good. Next, Right.
Speaker 2:When Snoop dropped the Dogfather I was like the shit's not any good.
Speaker 4:Next, when Kane dropped. Breath of the.
Speaker 2:Dark. I'm like what the fuck is this nigga doing? Is he a Playboy model? The fuck is going on. Next, when this guy doesn't perform, they're like yes, yes, when they're supposed to be like next next, yeah, chris.
Speaker 4:Brown got the best diss track out. I don't think this was on the level of Chris Brown's track to Clayba, but I don't want this to be all negative. I do want to talk about the parts that landed.
Speaker 2:I said the song was good.
Speaker 4:The song is good. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2:The song is good.
Speaker 4:The YMW melody good, yeah, it's good, the song is good. The ymw, the ymw melody line landed. Um, you know where he said I like drake with the melodies, not drake, that's talking tough. I think he speaks to us as fans with that, because I I felt that line, that line landed. But let's be real, kendrick ain't you know, he ain't the tough guy either. You know what I'm. So if Kendrick is doing that type of tough talk, how much do we really believe Kendrick? And he's trying to call Drake out on it, you know. And then this is a this is kind of a random thing, it's kind of a sidebar, but Kendrick talking about we hate the way you you dress and all this and that.
Speaker 4:I don't think. I don't think nobody's checking in with Kendrick or, like you know, checking Kendrick for, like, the next fashion wave or whatever. Nobody's looking to Kendrick for that. So that was funny Cause even when Jay, even when Jay said that to Nas, you, the model for Carl Canine, esco ads, even though, like Nas, is a fly dude, we looked at Jay like yo, jay's a fly. You know, rocker wear denim on the volume three cover. Jay can get that line off because he was looked at jay like yo, jay's a fly, you know rocker, wear denim on the volume three cover. Jay can get that line off because he was looked at as like a fly dude too. That's why dame said, as a harlem dude, he thought jay was fly for being from brooklyn.
Speaker 4:But I don't think kendrick could talk about anybody's fashion sense. But um, but the food he did have the. Um, this is crazy. He did have the this is crazy. He did have the FUBU line in the Tommy Hill figure. It made me think, yo, sean, you remember them, fubu jerseys with the city. You wrapped your city on it.
Speaker 1:Nasty era.
Speaker 4:Nasty time, bro. Like it had your city on the front, the 05 on the back. I remember I don't know if it was- the LL Cool J joint that had the rhinestones on it. That was crazy.
Speaker 2:This is what I'm saying. This is like some sort of ancient Chinese trick that this nigga is pulling on everybody, because listen to your breakdown. At what point are you saying that he's destroying Drake?
Speaker 4:No point At what point is that happening?
Speaker 2:Because if at no point is that happening, that's my whole thing when I say, well, this is just a good record.
Speaker 2:Yeah this is good. At what point have you been like, oh man, he really got the Drake with that bar. Or what point have you been like, oh man, be like that, really stung. How are we going to come back from that? I didn't hear any of that. You want to know. I didn't hear any of that because it didn't happen. It only happened in the minds of these crazy KKKs running around here. I hate you all.
Speaker 4:I want to know why he didn't address the Taylor Swift thing, because Drake alludes to that a lot. He didn't address the whole Taylor Swift thing or the Brooklyn apartment.
Speaker 2:His prime from 2009 to 2017. His peak is 2012 to 2017. His peak is 2012 to 2017. The guy that everybody's talking about you haven't seen that guy on a regular basis since 2017. It's 2024. Grow up, you know why. This is what I'm saying. People need to understand this. This might be his level. This might be it you mean his peak. This might be as good as it gets. You have no evidence since 2017 that he can do better than this.
Speaker 4:It should have been a knockout, but I really think this verse is on par with the y'all remember the.
Speaker 2:Family Ties verse no, I don't, because it's not any good.
Speaker 4:But that's my point. That's my point. I think this is on par with the Family Ties going, because he's doing a lot of the same things in the bars. He's not.
Speaker 2:Listen, they just put this guy between Jay and Nas on a list and people are walking around talking about some. Well, you can't expect it to be TakeOver at ether level. Actually, yes, I can, because the way this fan base and the way the media and the way this generation talks about him, if he's the best, then the expectation is that you perform at the level before you perform at their best level. So I do expect you to do the bridges over. I do expect you to do the takeover of ether, or the bitch in you or no, vaseline, are you not being considered on that level? Yeah, if you were being considered.
Speaker 2:On that level, that is the expectation that you deliver. That is not good, that is called great. He's smoking. On that level, that is the expectation that you deliver and that is not good, that is called great he's smoking on top fives is what he said. So he ain't smoking on shit that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Like this verse is on the level of family ties. He's doing a lot of the same things the amazing brother like all that stuff that annoys me. He's doing that with the croatie. I get it that he make a point of Toronto's lane, but the crotty thing.
Speaker 2:Nah, At the end of the day, if he liked that, the record would be like that. That's all I'm saying. If you like that, fam, then this record's supposed to be like that. It's just a good record. I don't give a fuck when you make a good record according to what your track record says you're supposed to be, according to what people say you're supposed to be, according to how the media portrays you in our space as our king. Good ain't good enough. So ain't nobody trying to hear about? Oh no, he didn't do anything. That's my whole point. If he's who y'all say he is, he just would have body fam.
Speaker 2:Instead, we got low jumping out the track because Drake already ready for him he's already ready for him yeah if it was an ether or takeover level, you'd be pausing and thinking like hold on, you get this shit started all the way. Ain't nothing happening with that? Drake already about to drop something again? Don't have to leave this. Show about it. If the record was like that, why is all the way? Ain't nothing happening with that? Drake already about to drop something again? But I think this show about it. If the record was like that, why is this nigga rocking and loaded two days later?
Speaker 4:OK, this was, this was supposed to be the record. I don't and I think people are gassing it because they're literally happy that he responded, because it was looking a little shaky there for a minute and I think people didn't think that he was going to respond. So then he did. Then he did respond. I think people got so overzealous and hype that they overinflated the record. It's a good record. It's a good jab. It's on the same level as pushups, not better, not worse, whatever. But I don't think it's as dope as everybody's saying it is.
Speaker 4:And to Coop's Cowboys point, I think that's kind of what you're getting here, the Cowboys saying, oh, we're going to win the championship this year. Like this is our year, like everything is overinflated. And I said that the last show. This is going to be an uphill battle for Drake to win, because Drake gets downplayed, kendrick gets overinflated and it's no objectivity or balance in between. Like I said at the top, if Drake would have got on a diss track Crooning at the beginning, y'all same cats would have crucified him for that. So it's like if you, playing with you, know the rules different, then I can't respect that. So all I'm trying to do is point out inconsistencies throughout the song that people hype up for him but not so much somebody else. That's my vantage point. Sean, you was being a little quiet.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. The last time this nigga made an album. He's literally on that. I can't please everybody. I'm stressed out. My auntie's a baby.
Speaker 1:He said that. He said stressed out.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you, like I said during the review, if I have to talk about the writing on a hip-hop album, be like man, this is beautifully written. It's like we're having the wrong talking points already, because I should be telling you, like man, this is beautifully written. It's like we're having the wrong talking points already Because I should be telling you, oh man, this production, these rhyme schemes, these songs, like no, I was like yeah, I was like the writing's good.
Speaker 4:Great job, yeah, I saw somebody your whole damn life.
Speaker 2:The writing better be good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, to your point, coop, and somebody said in the comment the bars were there. The bars, in fact, were there. My point was, if he's just rapping to be rapping, that's one thing, but the punches weren't landing because he was saying stuff that's already been said before and he wasn't doing them as creatively to the point where it's like I heard that before, but that it was crazy. It was none of that. And then also, it's just that some of the things that he's saying in the bars that I just broke down is just real contradictory. You know, so I'm, you know, I don't know, but everybody's going to say that I'm hating. But whatever, it's not like, I'm like riding for Drake or whatever.
Speaker 2:I'm a quote Bumpy Knuckles. Just because I hate your punk ass, don't make you no player. Quote Bumpy.
Speaker 1:Knuckles just because I hate your punk ass. Don't make you no player, damn. Let me jump in real quick. Let me hop out, let me show love to the Super Chat. Thank you, kl007. Thank you, mad Max, christopher, who else out there? Michael Williams, we appreciate the love. Thank you all so much for the super chat.
Speaker 1:Here's what I would say, guys. I wanted to hear what y'all had to say because I know y'all was holding back for the whole week wanting to talk about this and my opinion doesn't sway. But I do want to share this. I was on my flight this morning listening to it over and over and I was kind of breaking down the basics of what Kendrick is saying. And here's what I would say this feels like a thousand cuts.
Speaker 1:I don't think he was going for the knockout blow or the cannon blow. I think that he was really cutting Drake piece by piece. Again, I don't know if that's his strategy. I don't know if that's the trajectory of this battle, where it's going, where he's specifically going at Drake by cutting him piece by piece to make sure that Drake know that I know some stuff and if you continue to go down this road, I'm going to drop the big bombs. I don't know if that's what he's doing here, but what I'm saying, what I say about that is. When I listen to this, the first thing that stood out to me was I don't like the Kendrick voice, so I don't like it, and that doesn't make me a bad person, I just don't like it.
Speaker 2:Actually actually Sean, it's fan base. That does make you a bad person. You don't know anything about rap. And you need to get off people's lawn with that old mentality and behavior. It's all those things Go ahead.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, because people won't give that voice pass to nobody else. Let's just keep it real.
Speaker 1:Right, the voice means a lot to me. I'm a hip-hop head. The voice means a lot to me. I'm a hip-hop head. The voice means a lot to me. The beat it wasn't a knockout. The park beat, it was okay. So I'm not rocking with that too much.
Speaker 1:But what I can say, guys, a lot of the things that Kendrick is saying. I listened to this on my flight this morning. I listened to it when I got home. I listened to it when I got to the gym and I wanted to sit with the balls to understand. Is that where Kendrick is going with this? He's saying some stuff. He's saying a lot of things that you have to really pay attention to, the backdrop to it. Right, the backdrop to it is he's saying some stuff about. You know, of course, a lot of people I'm not going to say the names a lot of people. He's doing a lot of people out there. A lot of people I'm not going to say the names a lot of people. He's throwing a lot of people out there and he's tapping Drake and cutting Drake piece by piece by saying yo look, I got some stuff in my possession. If you want to continue to go down this road, we can. Here's my thing with Kendrick If you do that, you have to be prepared with what Drake may have on his side. Drake has a lot of ties in the industry. A lot of these rappers, they pillar talk. A lot of these industry people, they pillar talk. So Drake knows, going up against Kendrick, you're going up against someone that they call the boogeyman. I still haven't seen the boogeyman yet. I never believed in that persona, but they're still talking about this guy being the boogeyman yet I never believed in that persona, but they're still talking about this guy being the boogeyman. It doesn't matter. You Kendrick fans, y'all can hate me if you want. I will slap the shit out of those games At the end of the day. What I'm saying is Kendrick came out the gate and it was okay. It's okay to be okay, because we may get the bomb later on. But let's not make this an ether thing. Let's not make this a takeover thing. Let's call it what it really is. The thing about Drake is this Drake is not going to throw it out there, pause if he doesn't know that Kendrick is holding on to something else.
Speaker 1:Kendrick is alluding to a lot on this record, and it took me about three to four spins to understand exactly where he's coming from. He has a lot of stuff that he's alluding to that I think that he's prepared to share if it continues to go that way. He talked about possibly getting a phone call from Dave Prince. He's talking about, you know, getting a phone call or email from Drake about being on First Person Shooter. If you guys caught that, so he probably was the third person that was supposed to be on First Person Shooter and he probably was like yo, we got to hash out whatever we got before I jump on the record with you and Cole. But now y'all come up with this record. We haven't addressed anything. You know what I mean. So Kendrick already know what it is. And again, I have love for the West Coast. I've got people on the West. I got a team on the West Coast. Actually, I go out there to show me love. So it's not a West Coast or a Canada thing. It's about where Kendrick stands and where Drake stands.
Speaker 1:If y'all remember when Ja Rule was going through this whole thing with 50 and Busta and Em and Dre, all of that was going on. We were eager to get Ja up out of here and Ja represent Queens, get the money, but we were eager to get Ja up out of here. We were tired of Ja. We were tired of the hit records. We were tired of the singing and some of you out there singing your heart and your soul what I do with my baby in a club, drunk as hell, singing Ja Rule songs. But as soon as 50 pointed out the piece that we highlighted, we wanted him out of here. That's what's happening to Drake right now. We want Drake up out of here. You all want Drake up out of here and Kendrick is the purest thing that you can look at to say he's the closest thing to him, in our opinion.
Speaker 4:He's the antithesis of Drake. But when you really dissect, never mind, I'm not, never mind.
Speaker 1:You're right, because all things can be true. All things can be true. We can say Kendrick gave him a lot of different subliminals, even in the direct disc. Think about that. He gave him a bunch of subliminals in the direct disc.
Speaker 1:He's saying stuff. As far as Parkinson's, that is a triple entendre because he's talking about J Prince. I think J J Prince had a um, a uh, a car lot. You know what I mean On a car lot. He's talking some, he's saying some stuff in here. So there's a lot that you have to like really turn the pages to to understand where he's coming in.
Speaker 1:Well, they land the lyrics are there, but do they land? I'm about to get to that. I'm gonna get that. I'm gonna get off of that. I'm gonna bring all those back at the same time. I think what we are starting to see a divide is because we're so used to the different consumption of the music. When nas came out and he said you got a house in virginia the only way you sticking to us when he was going at cam house in virginia hiv, because during that time cam was people thought that cam had the thing right because he lost a lot of weight. We didn't know that because we had to, like, parse through the pages of what nas was saying during that time. I don't think this is that much different.
Speaker 1:You know, I mean, that was a dope line. I think that was much different. But what kendrick is doing is he's rappity rapping right now. So you see the divide. You see a lot of the rappity rap guys. You're like the joes and um, what's his name? Old boy from the west?
Speaker 1:you're seeing guys like that, who's like really championing that, because they understand where he's going with this. But then you have the other side. You have the buffoonery, like rick ross, who need to say this you know, wingstop Beijing, beard ass down somewhere. He's bringing this stuff up and being a distraction. But then you have us who are looking at it like yo, if you're the boogeyman, if you are positioned at number two or number three on a pantheon of hip hop between Nas and Jade, we want to hear a class five level threat. But those of you in a class five level threat is, go watch X-Men. Storm is a class five level threat. Magneto is a class five level threat. Right, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's like this someone who can whack you out. It's like this you got a five-star recruit, but they perform at a three-star level and everybody's acting like well, that's a five-star recruit. It's like no, I know, it's a five-star recruit. I'm just asking that motherfucker to stop giving me three-star output, because three stars is good and five stars is excellent and if you're a five-star general, you're going to do five-star general shit. This is not five-star general. Shit is all I'm really saying. That's the only critique of the record.
Speaker 4:It's those five stars given without any proof. Kendrick is a five-star MC, but the whole boogeyman persona as far as battle situations that's not warranted.
Speaker 2:Right. He ain't boogeyed on nobody. How about that?
Speaker 4:Right, if he's the boogie man that everybody said he says he is. This should have been a knockout blow.
Speaker 2:Right like, come out for this this is my story of adidon if he first of all, it's not even that level and that's not even the top 10. This to me, but this is what I'm saying for who. Everybody says that he is still. Like I said, if you were talking about 2012 to 2017 version of him, oh no, I get what you're saying and where you're coming from, but if you're talking right now, right now, and you're telling me that he's the man, then he's gonna have to make, make a record that reflects that he's the man.
Speaker 2:Because, guess, when Ice Cube made no Vaseline, when he was the man KRS made the Bridge Is Over, when he was the man, nas and Jay made Ether and Takeover when they were the man, respectively, depending on which side you chose. That's what made the clash so interesting, because they both had their legions. That was like no, that guy's the best. No, no, no, that guy's the best legions. That was like no, that guy's the best. No, no, no, that guy's the best. That was part of it. When Pusha T is doing Story of Adidon and Infrared and all that stuff, that's prime Pusha T. You get what I'm saying. If this guy's in his prime, where's the prime? This record, that's all I'm saying, because guess what he might be past his prime, which is why the record is just good and not great, because you haven't really heard him be great consistently since 2017 and it's 2024. All you fans make me sick. You need to get a grip.
Speaker 1:Yo, your bark was loud, but your hit wasn't vicious Bars.
Speaker 4:But here's the thing At the end of the day, point blank period is like Jadakiss said during the versus battle it's good, but it's not enough and that's how I feel about it. That's how you know sum it up. But for those of y'all saying that I'm hating or whatever, I'm just being objective, go back to the last last episode I cooked the drake taylor may freestyle people don't understand this.
Speaker 2:When naz dropped ether, people were having conversations about jay being the greatest mc who would ever live right, right, and they had to stop having those conversations when ether happened because it. When Nas dropped Ether, people were having conversations about Jay being the greatest MC who would ever live Right, right, and they had to stop having those conversations when Ether happened because it was like, well, hold on, right Pause, a real pause, not an inappropriate pause, but a real pause, like hold on.
Speaker 4:We might need to pause all that talk for a minute. But to Sean's point, I could hear the makings of what could have been, uh, a level five threat there, like if you take the end of the second verse, beginning of the third verse, him rapping in his normal voice, that energy with punches, that was landing. If you take that for the whole track, then we're talking. But if I gotta like listen to the bs at the beginning, have this whole warm-up session, then him doing all these weird voices.
Speaker 4:If y'all like that, cool, more power to y'all. I don't. And then then we get to the meat and the potatoes of the track. I'm already down, you know. I'm turned off from the track by the time we get to that point.
Speaker 1:So look, hey G, let me do this real quick. Fellas, Let me acknowledge some of these guys. I don't want y'all to think that we're shitting on y'all at all. Absolutely Go ahead. Mike Williams said why criticize Kendrick for having the layered slash lyrical diss? Did you not like the Royce and Lupe disses when they were going at it? No, I didn't.
Speaker 2:No, I didn't, Because I picked Royce and he got his ass cooked by Lupe and everybody knows how I feel about him.
Speaker 4:He sure did, he sure did, he got that ass cooked up, he got fricasseed.
Speaker 1:He got fricasseed. He did. Mad Max said. The problem is you think he's a five-star MC Dot isn't even Scott Summers or Gambit Wolverine at best Wolverine to go. Don't do that, mad Max, I'm dead with you. Mad Max, I'm dead with you.
Speaker 2:I like that I get what you're saying, inherently, fundamentally, mad Max, you're not talking about personal prowess, you're talking about superpowers given.
Speaker 1:Right, Mad Max also said them beats the voice is dead, Whack.
Speaker 2:The voices were whack and the beat was just okay, mad.
Speaker 4:Max is the only person that agrees With me, evidently, so shout out to Mad Max.
Speaker 2:First of all, mad Max. Just cause it's a new show and a new day Doesn't mean I'm about to agree with you. You agree with AG. That is crazy Not changing anything. You, petty as hell bro, about to agree with you. You agree with AG that is crazy. I'm not judging anything.
Speaker 1:I refuse to agree with you, you petty as hell bro. I just got a message. They said that Drake is going crazy on Kenny. I just got a message. I just got a message saying Drake is going crazy on Kenny.
Speaker 4:We'll see, and we'll judge it objectively as well.
Speaker 2:Like I said, I told you he got old school petty ass tendencies.
Speaker 1:And he said I'm not even mad yet, so I'm getting. I'm getting information live right now from someone who's listening to it right now, hey, so.
Speaker 2:Yeah, two days has it even been a full. 48 hours has it been a full 48 hours.
Speaker 1:The boy was sitting on it pause.
Speaker 2:Been about 52 hours, maybe About four hours past when he dropped it two days ago About 52 hours.
Speaker 1:Roughly, roughly, roughly Very problematic, very problematic.
Speaker 2:Hey, just remember I told you I hope it drops while we're still on here so I can laugh at you. Stans, kkks Hate you niggas. It's worse. This song's just good. Here's the reality of the matter. Name another other type of MC that could go seven years without giving you consistently quality project where people would walk around and be like no's the man coop, you're tripping, you're hating. It's like hating on what? What is there to hate on? He ain't made no dope shit in fucking seven years, not at all like, like like like.
Speaker 2:Here's the reality of matter, and I'm always going to tell people this when rock him took five years off, first of all, when rock him left, he wasn't widely considered the greatest mc of era. He was widely considered the greatest MC of all time. When he came back five years later, you could listen to some of the records and you could hear traces of the guy that people were calling the greatest MC of all time. It's been a long time. The Saga Begins New York, the 18th Letter Intro.
Speaker 2:It's like no, there are bars and songs that represent the man that a lot of people felt was the goat. If this guy is like that, show me the verses in the songs since he came back outside that really reflected. Well, you can't. Which is why, when he actually finally makes a good song that you can take outside and play in your ride and say that you're proud to be a fan of his, you can actually use other than this record. All of that doesn't make this a great diss. It means your favorite rapper just made his first dope song in a while and we ain't never gave niggas a seven year pass before, apparently until now, cause y'all niggas. I keep telling people it's like all these people that be talking this shit about Kendrick. It's like you be bumping Mr Morale. No, you don't.
Speaker 2:You're lying ass.
Speaker 1:Here's my thing You're lying. Two more, right, let me get two more.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, Sean Cowboys still wearing Troy Aikman jerseys. That's who you niggas are.
Speaker 1:Yo, chill out with the cowboy stuff, bro, sorry.
Speaker 2:You have to accept it.
Speaker 1:You got your ass whooped by the.
Speaker 2:Packers, Packers whooped that ass at home. Yo, relax what I'm talking about. Packers got that ass whooped and people are like your fan base is still like right after they got their ass whooped. We're going to be number one contenders for the Super Bowl. Next year we're going to be number one contenders for Sure you are.
Speaker 1:Cool Relax. What's wrong with you? Yo, what's up? Fan base.
Speaker 2:Fan base. Is what's wrong with me? These guys are wild. They're out of control.
Speaker 1:Yo, mad Max said I'll hit my jack Dot. Doodoo popping-ish, he don't phase me. Pillow talk punches, don't even graze me. The real Terrence already tased me. Sorry, bud you. The real Terrence already tased me. Sorry, bud, you're not him. If anything, I'm more Garcia and you're Devin Haney. So this is from Mad Max. We also have Ill Magic said y'all think Kendrick would go at Lupe? No, wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2:Not a chance, wouldn't do that.
Speaker 4:Wouldn't do that I wouldn't do that I want to say this because I probably already said enough, because, like I said, people act like I'm hating. I'm just being objective. Check the last tape. I went on a whole rant about the Drake AI record. I'm just being fair and balanced across the board.
Speaker 4:But the thing I don't think I don't think we'll get a clear winner in this battle. Here's the reason why I don't think either one of their fan bases. I'm talking about their core fans. Like I said, I don't have a dog in the fight. I'm a fan of both guys. I was hoping cole came out victorious of this whole thing in that number one spot, but he waved the white flag, so you know he's out. But I don't think either fan base has the ability to be objective in this battle. When jay went at nas blueprint people say it's no such thing as instant classics when I heard Blueprint for the first time, I was like this is a classic album. Number one, number two. I heard Takeover and, being a diehard Nas fan since I was 13, thinking that he was the GOAT, I was like yo Nas might be cooked for real.
Speaker 4:real, and that's being objective as somebody who's riding with the opposite team, right yeah I don't think anybody in this era has that ability to really be objective when their quote-unquote favorite gets cooked in a disc. You know what I'm saying. So I think that's why we're seeing like if we're just being objective and putting facts out there, then we're hate, or they were, you know the ride and the other guy whatever. You know what I'm saying. I just don't think people have the ability to be objective and I don't think we're going to get a clear winner in this battle because, whatever happens, the other fan base on the other side is going to tell you different. Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:I'm going to tell you the truth. He ain't made a dope record in seven years until now, and now people are acting like it's something special.
Speaker 4:I mean people at the chat said I hate Kendrick. How many of y'all done been to Kendrick's show and got fifth row seats to his show and spent some bread to go see Kendrick? You know? What. I'm saying Let me know when you did that and call me hating on Kendrick and not a Kendrick fan.
Speaker 1:I don't pay money to see Kendrick. I support y'all. Don't send super chats to AG and Coop. Send it to me. I like Kendrick, I'm with y'all.
Speaker 4:Sean can't quote one Kendrick bar. Don't let him lie to y'all.
Speaker 2:Hold on, listen to what I'm saying. Here's what's crazy about all this and how it's unfolding. Oh, I fuck with Kendrick, probably the toughest out the three of y'all. I was in Cali when Section 80 dropped. I came back out literally a month after it dropped. It had the entire fucking city on fire as soon as I touched down. I'm sitting down with my cousin, his homie. We going to the medicinal dispensary, going to get some medicine, and we're sitting in the whip and the first thing niggas asked me when I sat down was like yo, you heard that new Kendrick? I was like he got new shit Because he had only really dropped one project before. And just by me being ahead, it's like I knew who he was. It was like nah, he just made the album of the year. This was Section 80. You know what I'm saying. This was back then. I've been up on him since I was in Cali the year, the summer of Section 80. I was literally there right after it came out. Same here, like the energy.
Speaker 1:The energy was different, that's the kid different, good kid. Mad city, the energy was different.
Speaker 2:It was the pimple butterfly. When the pimple butterfly came out, I wrote an article comparing it to. It takes a nation of millions to hold us back, no doubt, which is a top five rap album all time, no doubt when he was on this hi when he was on this hiatus.
Speaker 2:When he was on this hiatus and I was on the other show, I was the one that was consistently saying no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, I'm glad you brought that point up, coop, because I hate being wrong, because I'm a Kendrick fan too, and one of my homies, one of my best friends, lives in Greensboro. I took up for him for years, like the entirety of the five years that he was gone, I took up for him Right.
Speaker 4:And you know he proved us wrong Because my homie that lived in Greensboro said about two weeks ago, and now he's a Kendrick hater, don't like Kendrick at all. We talking about the Drake this. I'm actually on the phone with him cooking the TaylorMade freestyle. Like yo, I don't rock with the AI, all that stuff. And he's like, yeah, kendrick will probably come back, use some weird voices, say some stuff sound like an alien and people going to eat it up and go crazy over and say he won fast forward like a week later. Dude, look like Nostradamus, like he, look right, because that's exactly what happened. Exactly what happened. You know what I mean? The weird voice thing.
Speaker 4:Everybody's swearing it's the best this ever. I'm seeing on Twitter that it's just as good, as good as ether. I hit my homie up. I'm like, yo, you was right. I had to admit I was right because I admit that he was right, cause I was on the other end of the phone saying like, nah, bro, if Kendrick come, he won't come correct, he won't come out with a legit disc, is going to be dope, whatever, and nah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I've done this before. This is what I'm saying. I remember when Dr Dre and snoop did the halftime show yeah, that was literally three months before his album dropped. Yeah, from the time that damn came out until that super bowl show, where he did not show up or drop any new music, I took up for him the entirety of the time until that moment, because when that moment happened, which was such a big moment for the West Coast, for his label, for the people who came before him, the fact that he did not have new fresh hot music pumping out was a big, big red flag that his material wasn't good. And three months later, the album dropped and the album wasn't good.
Speaker 2:This is after damn near five years of taking up for him and his space in our space, which was the number one space yeah, I'm just. That's a space that's earned, not given. That's what people don't understand. Like the realest shit andre may have ever said in relationship to hip-hop is that you're only as funky as your last cut, and he ain't had no funky-ass cuts since 2017. So stop telling me his funky-ass is the number one, nigga.
Speaker 4:The hard part of fire was fire. We're not going to do that. That joke was hard. It was not fire.
Speaker 3:It was a little yoga fire flame. It was a little yoga fire flame.
Speaker 2:It was a temporary burn.
Speaker 3:Remember when Dawson spit? That was a fire flame. It's a temporary burn, but I'm also just burning up briefly.
Speaker 2:Remember when Dawson spit the flame and you burn up briefly but you still got back up. That's all the fucking the hard part.
Speaker 4:I'm just asking people to be objective. My son, like I said earlier before, kendrick is his number one rapper, his favorite rapper of all time, and he even tell me, like yo, this ain't it. You know what I'm saying. And he's being objective. Now, he likes Drake too, and he, he got Drake up right now. He's being objective. Kendrick is his number one guy and he can look at the disc, listen to it and say, nah, this, this ain't it. It's cool, but it's not to be objective. You know what I'm saying. To take off the rose-colored glasses for a minute, for real.
Speaker 1:Let me get some super chats real quick. Critical Matt said Crooked Eye was talking about hairs like Coop. Yeah, me, and Crooked Eye was talking about Coop as well. Absolutely, I'm home.
Speaker 2:Yo KL007. Damn.
Speaker 1:Matt Cyclops is asking Alpha Mutant do your homework. Watch the disrespect, lol. The kindred disc was cool. The problem is nobody has fun dissecting. I agree with that. I agree with that. No one wants to sit down and dissect the songs right now, especially the way we consume music today. We want to get to the point so we can move on to the next oh, oh, that's 007, sean 007 represents.
Speaker 2:Queens too. He's Queens too. He's Far Rockaway.
Speaker 1:He's Far Rockaway. Okay, queens get the money. So Mad Max 007 Cyclops is a level above Wolverine as a threat level. Y'all not going to do this, we not going to do this, we not going to do this.
Speaker 2:Y'all not going to do this. Y'all not going to do this. We not going to do this. Y'all not going to do this. Y'all not going to do this during the show. All right, Don't do that during the show.
Speaker 4:X-Men is where it's at. X-men is always where it's at. X-men is a crew, so I'm going to segue. Do we need to get on to our next segment?
Speaker 2:First of all since we're talking about the X-Men crew. Ain't nobody fucking with Phoenix, no Way.
Speaker 1:What are we talking about? Hey, you know who getting that Phoenix Cyclops. So who's? I mean Scott Summers got both of them.
Speaker 2:He literally got a chick that got that bomb, absolutely He'll fence around and get burned.
Speaker 1:Yo, this is a family show what y'all doing. Yo, this is Robichaud. This is a family show, yo, for real. Thank y'all for the discourse on the Kendrick topic. Y'all have to understand my man. Coop is in a tough spot right now. He supported Kendrick for a long time and then, you know, three stacks came around to drop the flute album and um, and he hasn't healed from that. So I think as a community, as family, as friends, we have to help coop um be able to recuperate. Um, if you will, over the flute album and now kendrick dropping what did he?
Speaker 2:do of all. There is no healing from the flute album. That's going to take years. That's going to take years to heal from. Do you understand? Eventually at some point I wasn't joking, I did a post last year it's like yo, I may need to go talk to somebody about this shit because it's like he really made me angry. No, I don't think you understand. I'm still pissed off. I may need help about that shit.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's like why am I mad at three stacks though? Why am I still mad, though, am? I heartbroken. What stage through the breakup am I going through right now that has me behaving this way in public? You know what I mean. I don't understand. Can you talk to me? Can you help me? You were charging me $100 an hour. You hour. You need to tell me something good about what the fuck my problem is.
Speaker 1:Yo.
Speaker 4:The same people who gassed. This is the same ones who gassed the flute album, but I digress, oh God.
Speaker 1:Because everybody want to be woke. Everybody want to be a hip-hop purist man you either read and are well-read.
Speaker 2:You either read and are well-read or you're not. That's what really being woke is at the end of the day. Being woke is being informed, being well-read, being well-educated. It's like you're either that or you're not. Listening to a flute album or a Kendrick song ain't about to increase or decrease that shit.
Speaker 1:at the end of the day, I'm going to say this guys, and we can move on, because we're getting to our main topic. You have two rabbit fans, you have the Drake fans, you have the Kendrick fans. They're clashing at the top. I don't think it would matter if Drake would have come out and said Skinner, marinky, dinky Dinky, skinner, marinky Doo, I love you. They'll go crazy. Kendrick would do the same thing and they would go crazy. He'd say I love you. He don't really love you. They'll make up some stuff.
Speaker 2:Did you see how he put it together?
Speaker 1:How he bob and weave his skin in a rinky-dink. He's dissing somebody. He's dissing somebody with skin in a rinky-dink. We love who we love.
Speaker 1:When Nas dropped Ether, we were like yo, this is it. Jay is the death of a dynasty, starting right here today with with Ether. You know, when Drake, when Jay dropped Takeover, I was like yo, how is something going to come back from this? This is the figure or leg lock. How is he going to come back from this? You know, I mean and three months later, I mean Newport's newest Virginia in a club and it's a here is exclusive of Ether. I'm like yo, virginia in a club, and they said here is an exclusive of Ether. And I'm like yo, queens, get the money again. Everybody surround me, let's talk about it. So we understand we come from that cloth. We, we champion who we want to champion. But, like you said, let's just make sure that we keep it above board. Let's make sure that we keep it funky across the board, because the messages I'm getting right now I'm getting some messages right now it's blowing me up saying that Drake is on one right now.
Speaker 4:But if it ain't it, we're going to say so. That's my point.
Speaker 2:We don't have a dog in a fight. None of these records are back-to-back to me, even, which is a borderline time I'm going to be real Game.
Speaker 4:chimed in on this whole thing today, none of these records are pest control. Pest control is one of the best, like a top five. This record to me. I think the Black Slim Shady is better than you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:this Kendrick record I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I don't know about that I don't know about that.
Speaker 4:That was creative as hell. I like that record it was.
Speaker 1:It was creative, but I don't know. But guess who's the best in you? People don't like. They don't like. I said that.
Speaker 2:People don't like gang.
Speaker 1:If Kendrick would have done that, we would have.
Speaker 2:If done, black Slim Shady, it would be the greatest diss record of all time.
Speaker 1:There we go Of all time.
Speaker 4:If Kendrick would have just did Joe Budden's diss records, the Wake or Making a Murderer, they would be saying it was better than Ether. Let's just keep it real. But I don't think it's the messenger. People didn't look at Joe, as in Drake's weight class, so it fell on deaf ears. But those joe button disses that kendrick, that kendrick, this ain't touching none of joe's. Joe put out like a whole ep to drake though.
Speaker 2:But it's not. It's not even infrared level or story of adenon level. It's not. No, it's not it's really not.
Speaker 2:That's the thing, though, when you listen to Pusha T, it's clever, but it's not over your head. It was written like Nas, but it came from Quentin. That's more powerful and that's more wow factor than all those research bars, because you know exactly what he's saying. Think about it. He's referencing a great MC, a classic album, the name of the album and the name of the person who's ghostwriting, and then connecting the dots because the name of the album it was written. That's just as high level as what Kendrick did, but way easier understood. And because it's easier understood and when it catches you the first time, you're like ooh, that's the wow factor that this record is missing. It's supposed to hit you. It's supposed to be like George Foreman or Joe Frazier punched you in your chest, nigga.
Speaker 1:It's supposed to be like ugh, I was about to say that it's the difference between getting punched in the chest and getting punched in the nose. It is.
Speaker 2:The punch in the nose might have you looking different longer, but that punch in the chest hurt more.
Speaker 1:It hurts it hurts, it hurts, it's different. You'll imagine you're right. A lot of other fans keep sidestepping around morale and it's sad. You can't hide it.
Speaker 2:We do this the album ain't no damn good. Come back with a better album. It's been fucking two years. It came out May two years ago.
Speaker 1:For sure, absolutely, if you got it prove it then Prove it, prove it, prove it. So again, I'm still getting messages on the Drake disc. So, based on this, what I'm getting right now, I ain't worried. This is no cap, y'all can see. I'm not going to show the whole message, but y'all can see the messages coming through on the Drake shit. It's real. This is somebody who's actually in that room, in one of those rooms that's attached to the room.
Speaker 2:Look here, when the record's like that, anybody can catch the fade man, common, faded Ice Cube and nobody knew who Common was Right, it's about the record.
Speaker 4:It's about the record. Sean, you want to jump off the next joint. You know what I'm saying, so we can get into that real quick yeah. Yeah. Any closing remarks, because we done cooked Kendrick a lot. I feel like, yeah, I haven't cooked.
Speaker 1:Kendrick, everybody. My opinions did not reflect what my partner said. Don't come at me, could you come at me? I'm going to slap this shit. I can be anywhere at any time. Let me just say that, Sean you travel a lot.
Speaker 2:You don't want to get the slip. You're not going to get the shit slapped out of you in your city by Sean when Sean pull up. The high schools are slapping.
Speaker 1:Don't be the first one. I'm not a lot of people.
Speaker 2:Sean really was just chilling in the Noya with Juvie and we got the pictures. We just not posting the pictures.
Speaker 1:Just too nice to go.
Speaker 2:I was just too nice to go, Please. I'd hate for Sean to come slap the shit out of you when y'all was there, we're going to lose a subscription. If that happens, please don't do that.
Speaker 1:I'm not a podcaster. I don't know how to act sometimes. Much love, thank you guys for the super chat. Again I see Mad Max, lol. It's not Oracle for Mace or Gucci the Truth. Gucci the Truth was pretty rough. I'm not going to lie, that shit was rough A lot of great bitches floating out there. This is what I mean.
Speaker 2:It's not even the Kiss the Game, goodbye freestyle that we was talking about with Will when we did the interview for Hip Hop DX. This isn't better than the Kiss the Game, goodbye freestyle. Beans cooked for about four and a half minutes straight, just ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta-ta, kept going, your name is Juan nigga Most of you bitch.
Speaker 1:The threat level was so high we thought it was going to be an issue when they see each other.
Speaker 4:A lot of people wasn't around for that.
Speaker 2:You're right, they don't understand that, right. But on some rap shit, fuck the tension. Not fuck the tension, but on a rapping-ass rapper battle rhyme level. The way Segal tore at Kiss was like every other bar. You were like oh, oh, oh. You started bobbing and weaving like you was getting hit, no doubt.
Speaker 4:It's not the message, it's the messenger. I can't say that enough.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying it is when you're using all these fucking voices and doing all this technical man. Get at this dude. If you're getting at this dude is all I'm really saying.
Speaker 1:We love it all. We love y'all for even giving a pushback.
Speaker 2:No, I don't love all y'all, some of y'all are full of shit.
Speaker 1:I love all y'all. I love all of y'all. Thank y'all for the pushback. We invite that. Thank you all for that. Let's get to the main topic fellas. Let's get to the crew love topic AG. You want to kick us off?
Speaker 4:Actually, I'm going to let Coop kick it off. I need to be excused for like just one minute, bro, all right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's cool. So are we starting our crew love topic with our posse cuts or are we talking about our crews, yo?
Speaker 1:man're the lead dog. What you want to do.
Speaker 2:I want to talk about the cuts first. I'm music at the end of the day. First, if I'm picking, we can talk about the music and then talk about the crews. Before we slide off, let's do that.
Speaker 2:What if I told you because I've been saying for a while now that All about the Benjamins is the best posse cut ever? But what if I told you that, like the self-destruction really should be number one Self-destruction, self-destruction Is that, is that? Is that posse cut status? It is. If that's posse cut status, it is. When I'm thinking about the quality of the song, when I'm thinking about the quality of MCs, thinking about the content, yeah. Thinking about the beat, yeah. Thinking about the bar work, yeah, self-destruction might be number one on the list. If actually that's the case, self-destruction, self-destruction. Think about it.
Speaker 2:This culture got bred out of us handling our beefs and our problems in a more proactive way, without choosing violence. Hip-hop is based on the fundamentals. Actually, as violently as we talk in this space, for as much violence as is taking place in this space, it was essentially created to squash all the violence in the neighborhoods. No, y'all gonna dance, battle this out. No, djs, y'all about to scratch and play the records, like you know, I'm saying, and settle it. Like y'all got a problem with each other. Y'all gonna play the records and settle it. Y'all gonna dance and settle it. Y'all gonna rap and settle it. And so why wouldn't self-destruction be a contender for at least the number one spot when we're talking about what hip-hop is really based on and what hip-hop is about? Because it's what hip-hop is about and it's a message saying, hey, let's not go too far, and it's kind of prophetic in the sense, because we ended up going too far and in going too far we lost two of our top five MCs.
Speaker 4:In my opinion, oh yeah, my bad to interject, so we doing the posse cuts first before we do the other segment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. Well, I mean it ties into the crew love, because we're talking crew love songs, Okay yeah. So I was submitting to Sean that self-destruction might be the greatest posse cut record ever, if we like talking about what really checks all the boxes, and it's still that classic quality hip hop record.
Speaker 4:So we're going for 15, right, correct?
Speaker 1:Here's why I would probably be cautious to put it in the crew love category or posse category. Ok this was a collective at a moment where it's an outlier. That's how I think it's an outlier. I think that, to your point, all the points you made, I feel like this collective came together for that specific situation.
Speaker 4:It wasn't so much. It's not just catch a wreck on the mic.
Speaker 1:It was the message had to be sent during that time because of all the things that were going on during that time and I think that with that record it's a posse cut, but I think it's more of it like just a collection of dope MCs at that time getting together to talk on a pandemic at that time when it came to violence and what was going on in the black community. I don't know if I can categorize that amongst the pantheon of crew, you know of crew love or posse cuts. That's my opinion.
Speaker 2:I could be no, that's. That's that's why I was asking, because it checks more of the boxes of a number one posse cut than all the other posse cuts.
Speaker 4:It checks everything that hip-hop is and is about yeah, but like I agree with sean, it's something that kind of stands on, stands alone, you know so we're gonna ask, so I'm gonna aisk that you know what I'm saying. So did y'all define like um, the posse cut, you know what, where we're going, like you know four more MCs. Wu Tang is ineligible, because they're all in a group anyway.
Speaker 1:Okay, you got a whole show.
Speaker 2:So part of why I'm wearing the Wu Tang shirt is because it's like well, they wearing the Wu-Tang shirt is because it's like well, they're not going to be represented in this conversation, because everybody knows, if we're talking like posse cuts, it's like well, if we're really making a top 10 list, like Wu-Tang would end up with like five of the 10. Like, you know what I'm saying, they would end up with five of the 10 and they're a collective unto themselves and we need to do a show highlighting, like, their contributions to hip hop, which is virtually unmeasurable, because we've never seen a crew be that great together and produce so many stars separately. They truly are like a one of one in hip hop. So they're not part of this. But for me, um, the buy-in on uh, on a, on a posse cut, is simple to me, and that's four or more, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2:The buy-in for a posse cut to me is is there four or more? If there's four or more, it's live posse cut to me. Is there four or more? If there's four or more, it's live posse cut, action, right. Three is not a posse cut, correct, right you will be here for eons we will name a hundred records, if we went three right.
Speaker 4:So now that, now that we're here, we got everything established, I think can't be part of a group together.
Speaker 2:So, like, bone records don't count, nwa records don't count unless other people on the track with them.
Speaker 4:Like in that aspect, like other even with that.
Speaker 2:Even with that, it's like, because I thought about this thug love and notorious thugs, it's like, well, those are bone records with a guest appearance. Even you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Right, right, no, no no, not not that, but like take for instance um, uh, dmx is gonna start at something. Dmx started something with all of the locks, and then DMX.
Speaker 2:Like that.
Speaker 4:But I wouldn't count Big's last day because it's just big in the locks. I wouldn't count Notorious Thug's because it's just big and bone. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I think those are like.
Speaker 4:I think that's blurring the line a little bit. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying. I mean I think the best way to look at the posse cut is the juice crew with the symphony right, that's essentially the perfect example, that's the tent pole right there. Yeah, that's the template for a posse cut. Is the juice crew with the symphony which is on my list and it better be on y'all, we're gonna fight early
Speaker 4:early. Yeah, yeah, yeah it's on. But what I wanted to do is get some stuff out of the way early, because I think we know what's kind of like on most of the top 20 list and we gotta weed and parse some stuff out. But I came up with a, a pool of songs that could be dark horse candidates to make, maybe sliding at the bottom of the list, and this could be real quick with like a yes or no from y'all fellas till you think it. You know, because we could table it if it got a fighting chance. These are some that might be forgotten but might have a fighting chance to get on the list. If y'all want to run through those, if y'all don't care.
Speaker 1:Yeah, real quick. Matt's that blackface. The most stuff is legit. That's the actual thing that happened. He was auditioning for, I think, a play. That is actually true.
Speaker 4:All right, I'll just read through them. Y'all say yes or no. Rough Riders Anthem Remix. No, sean, you was quiet. What you got come back to that one scenario 2000 with Eve, the locks DMX, drag on that's closer, but I'm still gonna tell you no no watch for the hook cool breeze okay.
Speaker 2:So I have that in no Watch for the hook. Cool breeze Okay. I have that in contention, except for I feel like there are two posse cuts better that come out of that camp. So that would be my problem with that song. But go ahead. But we should table that one right. We can put a circle around it. Put a nice little circle around Watch for the Hook.
Speaker 4:Alright. The anthem by Sway and King Tech RZA.
Speaker 2:KRS, Eminem that comes to mind. I don't know if it's there, I don't know if it's classic enough. That's more underground head stuff than that is classic hip-hop like people are familiar with. There's a line between it executing on the lyrical level but also being something that's identifiable and a special moment for the culture.
Speaker 4:Like I said, these are all dark horse candidates. These are the ones I'm not counting to get in, but had a fighting chance, so you agree with that. Say no, but I love the record. Yeah, one train ASAP, rocky.
Speaker 2:It's just not good enough, but I love the record. It it's just not good enough, but I love the record. It's knocking on the door All right. Yep, okay, like, like, like if we were doing top 20, it has a possibility of making a top 20.
Speaker 4:Okay, I don't think this one is talked about enough, but stranded on death row.
Speaker 2:So can I tell you what you and me we think alike, because I actually played that record today and here's what I'm going to submit to you about why it doesn't make the list. It's one of the weaker beats on the Chronic.
Speaker 4:I love it. I love the beat. I love the beat.
Speaker 2:Okay, beat-wise, is it better than Lil' Ghetto?
Speaker 4:On the Chronic if we're comparing it to everything else. Yes, but I do love the beat.
Speaker 2:But it's not even up to par for the album that it's on production-wise.
Speaker 4:I see what you're saying, Sean. Do you agree with that?
Speaker 2:Yeah, think about this Is Stranded on Death Row, one of the five best songs on the Chronic. Because I would tell you no, hell, no. You can't make this list you can't make this list if you're a classic enough.
Speaker 4:All right, got my mind made up. Pop meth red.
Speaker 2:I think that's a definite, I think it's a possibility. I think it's a possibility, circle it. I say yes, I feel like that got a chance of squeezing in the back of the 15.
Speaker 4:It could Forever Drake, kanye Wayne Em.
Speaker 2:It crossed my mind, I think for the generation possibly Modern, about the generational impact. We can maybe like put that on the board. I just don't think the quality is there on those bars because all those guys got better verses on better guest appearances m killed that, though, don't front um swagger swagger like us.
Speaker 4:That was a little underwhelming.
Speaker 1:I think it's up there, though I think for the moment that it had, it was a big moment.
Speaker 2:I feel like Kanye and TI bought their A-game and I feel like Jay and Wayne just bought A-game.
Speaker 4:TI had the best verse on that, I agree.
Speaker 2:Kanye is the one that really set that song off. It's like he got you invested in the song. Mr wess is in the field, then swagger on a hundred thousand trillion I got it first, I'm christopher columbus. Y'all just the pilgrims thanksgiving. Do I even gotta dress it, hermes pastel? I'll pass the dressing.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, it was tough, so we tabling it, or it's not strong enough.
Speaker 2:It's on the borderline.
Speaker 4:It's on the borderline, I'll put a mark, I feel like Daddy, watch for the hooker on the borderline. Okay, we taking over by Khaled with the stellar Wayne verse.
Speaker 2:I think I'm so. Hood remix is better than that, though, and that didn't make my list.
Speaker 4:Okay, we'll take that off.
Speaker 2:The Graveyard Big L. None of those MCs are where they're supposed to be, except for L yeah.
Speaker 4:Jay was yeah, All right, Headbanger EPMD.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a possibility.
Speaker 4:Beast from the East Lost Boys.
Speaker 2:That came to my mind, but that's really more about Cannabis' verse than the entirety of the fucking posse cut. Nah, Red, red got off, red got off. I mean it's Red, so Red's going to get off. How about this? Most of the other posse cuts don't have a two out of four. Everybody usually comes with it on a pos posse cut. That's my thing with a posse cut. It's like did everybody come with it? Because on the symphony if you go listen to craig g and master ace, they sound great. It's just the cool g rapping cane are in their prime, so it doesn't matter how great you say very, very good, very good point.
Speaker 1:This overshadowed all of that, so it's hard to put it up there, man all right, so so I'll take that off.
Speaker 4:These next two are going to be curveballs, because I don't know if people really think about them anymore. Fantastic Four and Fantastic Four Part Two.
Speaker 2:I'm one of the people that like Part Two more than Part One and people call me crazy, but I would tell you, neither one of them make the list.
Speaker 4:You're not crazy. I didn't think they'd make the list. I just wanted to mention them because I don't think people think about them like that Ride or Die from Rough. Oh my bad, sean, go ahead.
Speaker 1:I was agreeing, I think it rides out the door, okay.
Speaker 4:Ride or Die off of the Rough Riders compilation.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're talking about the intro, the Ride or Die intro To like part one, yeah Beat's. Not good enough. I agree with that. Yep, yeah Beat's not good enough.
Speaker 4:I agree with that For the fam. Emile J Beans Bleat.
Speaker 2:I would table that because I love that fucking record and that beat is ridiculous.
Speaker 4:It is Coming off the heels of that. I got you, me, him and her, even though Emile only had I don't even know if she had eight bars.
Speaker 2:Nah, that ain't making it.
Speaker 4:World War III off the Rough Riders compilation. I love that record, though. That's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2:It's just not good enough. What do you say, sean?
Speaker 1:It's not there. It's not there.
Speaker 4:Not to make a top 15. Keeping against the remix.
Speaker 2:I'm a big fan of that, but I'm going to tell you, no, it's not there, cause we're going to have a couple of remixes. Make our list and blow that remix out, the fucking water.
Speaker 4:Good point. Like I said, all these are dark horse candidates that I didn't know that we would talk about.
Speaker 2:but I think one can sneak in and the last one I got on this dark horse list is Grand Finale. Which Grand Finale, little John's Little.
Speaker 4:John's Nas Q Jadakiss. Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1:I love that one. That shit's pretty tough it is. I don't know if it cracks the top 15, though I love it Should we table it for now or mark it out.
Speaker 2:To be honest with you, they all bought their A game on that record. They kind of went in order of OG status. So hearing Nas and Cube rap back to back on a record is rare. I told you, motherfuckers, kobe didn't take that pussy. Get money, get paid. You can beat that shit, even if the DA is a piece of shit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, all right, so we got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven dark horse candidates and everything else I got on my list. We can. I got about 20. That's probably close to shoes.
Speaker 2:Well, hold on. Well, let me go ahead and step in, since we're taking self-destruction off. I'm going to start off. I for an hour, ray and Nas and mob beat.
Speaker 4:I got that on my list. I got them on this too, all right, so we in unison on that let's just establish the 15. Then we can rank where they fall.
Speaker 2:All about the Benjamins. I got that on my list.
Speaker 1:Sean, I'm sorry, I'm getting messages still. I'm sorry, benjamin.
Speaker 2:Benjamin, yeah, definitely it got to be on there. Symphony is on there right.
Speaker 4:Got it on mine Okay.
Speaker 2:So here goes, here goes how I feel. Right quick Thought process and get up, get out Dungeon family shit I got get up get out on mine, but not I got Get.
Speaker 4:Up, Get Out on mine, but not Thought Process Sean.
Speaker 1:I do have it on mine Get Up, Get Out. I have Get Up and Get Out on mine, not Thought Process.
Speaker 4:I don't think Thought Process makes it.
Speaker 1:That's okay.
Speaker 2:That's cool. I feel like the bar work on Thought Process is better. But Get Up, get Out is the bigger, better song, absolutely. I got blackout off flesh of my flesh, blood of my blood. That's prime locked j and dmx and I think that's the best posse cut from that whole rough riders era in my opinion it's no special on that record there's no way. This doesn't make the list like kiss for me. On that Kiss stunted on Jay and on X and on Styles. On that record that's Kiss's coming out party.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we'll get to the verses for sure, Okay so Blackout makes your list, so we got five.
Speaker 2:I shot your remix.
Speaker 4:I got it. That's my favorite beat of all time.
Speaker 2:I can see why you feel that way. It's okay that you feel that way.
Speaker 1:That's top tier for me. To me, that's top tier, john Blaze. I got it. I got John Blaze on my eye.
Speaker 2:Yep Pun has the best verse on there, right? We're clear on that right.
Speaker 4:He edged out Nas. It ain't no edge Nas is.
Speaker 2:What did he say? He edged out.
Speaker 4:Nas.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it ain't no edge, nas, I reign, what'd he say? I reign supreme inside the visual. Try to supply my spiritual with the physical side of this lyrical. I appear in your dreams. No, freddie, technically.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he definitely got it, but for me it was a photo finish because Nas was saying some crazy stuff on there To me. He took it back to Nasty Nas on that verse.
Speaker 2:He better had. Did you hear Pun's verse he?
Speaker 4:rewrote his verse.
Speaker 2:Nas rewrote his verse, he better had rewrote his verse Pun sounded crazy on there.
Speaker 4:Yeah, Pun got the best verse, but Nas is a close second.
Speaker 2:I agree, 24 Hours to Live. I got that one, okay, so we got 1,. I agree, 24 Hours to Live. I got that one. I got that one, okay, so we got one. Two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. We got nine of the same record. International Players, anthem, outkast, ugk. I don't have that one.
Speaker 4:I actually forgot about that one, but that one's up there. I didn't have it on my list, but I'm going to put a month inside it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, circle that I didn't have it on my list, but I'm going to put a month inside it. Circle that we can talk about that, because right now we got three. I'm sorry, we got eight. We got eight records decided. I'm going to keep it Southern 3-6 in UGK, sipping on some scissor. I don't think that makes it you don't think that makes it.
Speaker 2:No, that's wild. I might be First of you. Don't think that makes it no, that's wild. I might be down here First of all. You're going to get me cut down here, but okay, you know what You're right, it might be on there, but I have Not over these other Southern joys?
Speaker 1:No, no no, yeah, let's be, real.
Speaker 2:Sipping on some scissors pretty big down here. Okay, I'm just asking questions. I'm just asking questions. We can table it.
Speaker 4:That's why we ask the tough questions.
Speaker 2:I got a dark horse for you that people maybe not have thought about the Ladies Night remix with the Brat and Missy and Kim and Angie. It was pretty tough.
Speaker 4:Look at him politicking for the ladies this time. Y'all was talking about me on the last episode.
Speaker 2:No, no no, agg, ladies, ag doesn't care about you. That's what Cooper here for.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but nah, that's a good pick. I didn't have that one. I guess I'm on my misogynistic tip today, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Circle that we can come back to that, because that's a really dope-ass record and it was big, big Right Now, I think. And Left Eye. Yeah, left Eye on there For me for me like that's a crazy.
Speaker 4:That's one of the best just hip-hop records in general of all time. But I think that on Posse Cuts for my aesthetic I'm more so looking for just like the crazy bar work, the lyrical sparring from MC to MC. You know they come on the track but the ladies night joint is just and same thing as international players Anthem, both of those are just great records it's a banger?
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay. Um, I do have got my mind made up on my potential list, cause I wrote 20 songs down, so I got my mind made up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we had that one tabled.
Speaker 2:Okay, flavor in your Ear. Remix. Got that one. Is that on there? I feel like it's on there because the way Busta Rhymes and Biggie just for Biggie and Busta's verse. It's on there.
Speaker 4:What, sean, you say, you didn't have that one.
Speaker 1:I didn't have it, but it should be on there.
Speaker 4:That's crazy, you didn't have it, man.
Speaker 3:Your hip-hop car get revoked, bro I don't even know if you need to be on the pod anymore. I got others that edged it out that's why I mean I wasn't at 66%.
Speaker 1:Y'all had like a single digit, y'all like nine and six respectfully, but um so I got the original.
Speaker 4:You not having Flavor of the Year remixes is worse than anything I said about Kendrick on this show.
Speaker 2:First of all, you didn't say anything wrong about Kendrick. They had you traumatized. You need therapy now because of how they treated you and made you change your takes.
Speaker 4:Oh no, I'm not changing anything, I'm standing on my square.
Speaker 2:You can heal from this. Scenario I have the original scenario, though not the remix.
Speaker 5:It's the original scenario, though not the remix.
Speaker 1:It's the original for me. I do too. I got the original scenario on here.
Speaker 4:Same, I had that one.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine. We got ten of the same record, right now Banned from TV. Absolutely, oh yeah, absolutely, that's 11.
Speaker 1:Niggas done, started something I feel like that's questionable. I got that on my arm For me, it's not.
Speaker 4:That to me is not.
Speaker 2:I think Blackout is better than Niggas Done Started something and they're kind of similar records, not by much but if I have to cut one, it would be that one.
Speaker 4:I would keep Blackout over it, but I love them both almost equally.
Speaker 2:Mase's verse on that is. That might be Mase's best verse Mase, yeah, so that would make 12. Reservoir Dogs Absolutely yeah, reservoir Dogs is on there for you. Can I? Tell y'all something I never loved the beat and that was always my problem. I love that.
Speaker 4:Shaft stuff, man Listen. And Styles P is crazy for that one. Bro Going that J on his own record is wild.
Speaker 2:Niggas backwards, just for practice.
Speaker 1:Corona Queen Styles P. He is from Corona originally, Y'all got.
Speaker 2:Reservoir Dogs on there. That means 13. My last record Affirmative Action I got it, I got it. That would mean we have 14 of the same records. That means only one record can get in. So we're going to have to have some more conversations right quick.
Speaker 4:Before we start cutting Coop, I got one, two, three, four that you didn't mention, that I thought you would, so I'll just go with those real quick Four, three mention that I thought you would, so I'll just go with those real quick 4, 3, 2, 1. No, I don't think. So what say you?
Speaker 2:Sean, because I Shot your Remix is so much better and it's coming from the same core artist and the performance on I Shot your Remix is just better, that's a valid point, I didn't think about it.
Speaker 1:It's touchy, it's close. I'm not going to lie. It's close, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 4:It's close, I'll put an asterisk by it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Because I had it on my list and Sean said it's close, your opinion don't count, coop.
Speaker 1:Mikey Triumph is not on here because we're not counting anything from who.
Speaker 4:Correct, Correct. So appalled, Coop. You alluded to how dope that was the other day, but you didn't bring it up here. That left me confused. Alluded to how dope that was the other day, but you didn't bring it up here. That left me confused.
Speaker 2:I thought I was the only one that felt that way, so I didn't want to bring it up to an objective conversation.
Speaker 4:Stand on that. I love Soul Paul. It's one of them ones I have.
Speaker 1:Soul Paul, as, like I have an asterisk on my list.
Speaker 4:Okay, and I got Monster. Is that asterisk status?
Speaker 2:No, Because Soul of Paul is better and it's the better posse cut on the same album Agreed.
Speaker 4:So I'll mark out Monster and the last one I have that you didn't name, coop, is Live at the Barbecue.
Speaker 1:I have Love at the Barbecue on mine.
Speaker 2:Okay. So here's my thing. Nas is just so much better than everybody else on that song. It kind of takes the whole posse cut of feel because he literally snatches the show from everybody he does. I don't like posse cuts like that. Part of what makes the symphony so special is because Craig G and Master Ace they're brilliant. Then Cool G rapping, kane started getting into it. You can tell there's that feeling when Kane is rapping, that he heard G rap's verse and just refused to let it go. There's some dancing going on. He's like no, I'm not giving it to him like that.
Speaker 4:I still go back and forth.
Speaker 2:Who had the better verse on that? Lyrically, I would tell you Cool G-Rap has the better verse, but Kane did the things that Kane does well, it's like delivery punchline voice.
Speaker 3:He nailed it well, it's like delivery punchline voice. He nailed it. Yeah is, did we say alpha i4 now?
Speaker 2:yes, yeah. So I'm gonna tell you what we got so far. It's the same and it's 14 records i4 and I, all about the benjamins, the symphony get up, get out. I shot your. Remix john blaze, 24 hours to live. Remix John Blaze, 24 Hours to Live. By the way, notice that the locks are on a lot of these records Scenario Blackout. Flavor in your Ear. Remix Niggas Done Started Something. Ban From TV. Reservoir Dogs. Affirmative Action.
Speaker 4:So that's 14. And all right, so let's go through the asterisk joints and then eliminate them. Okay, so four, three, two, one. I'm going to go ahead and eliminate that one. We had an asterisk by that because I don't think this. I agree with Coop it might not be strong enough to make this list. So, paul, we have an asterisk by that one.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me ask you something Is soap Paul better than I Got my Mind Made Up?
Speaker 4:Yes, it is. I hate to say it, but it is. Think so.
Speaker 2:Sean, I tell you I Got my Mind Made Up is still a little better.
Speaker 4:It's a better song, but the thing that Saha, pusha and Jay are doing on that one, kanye.
Speaker 2:If we talking bar work, it's not even conversational, which is crazy to say on a record with Tupac, method man and Redman, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Let me throw Monkey Rich in that Nah forget it.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry, sean, but we taking off the list because they cut the deck verse and I'm still pissed off about that. That don't need to make our list Deck be getting did dirty by floods. People cutting his records.
Speaker 1:You got to let that go. Nah, bro, nah, I ain't doing it. We got to let that go. I'm sorry, stop being an old head man, relax. Let me ask you all this I want to throw a monkey wrench real quick, is Mercy?
Speaker 2:Oh, you want to know what I ain't thinking about. Mercy, I'm taking Mercy over all those records actually.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm here. I'm here to bring that I like that play, sean, what I know?
Speaker 2:Because, to be honest with you, that was one of those moments where I was like, there you go, big Sean, way to step up to the competition table. Not only that, because the guys going after you are going to kill shit. So you can't afford to be the weak link on that record. And not only is he not the weak link on that record, but he might have the most quotable lines Now we out in Perry yeah, I'm Perry Politicking, necessarily, but Chains, though Chains' run during that time was crazy.
Speaker 2:And bar-wise Pusher has the best verse Two-door preference, roof gone, george Jefferson. That white frost on that pound kink, so your Duncan Hines is irrelevant.
Speaker 1:I still love Chains though man Chainz Chainz kinks me crazy.
Speaker 2:You're going to see lawyers and niggas and Jordans.
Speaker 1:Yo, it was so simple and straight to the point.
Speaker 2:Chainz was crazy. Yo, you know what it is. It was his bar style on there because he found the timing on the beat. None of the three previous MCs have been found because they were all like Sean and Kanye were bouncing. Pusha T was more your traditional rhymer, but his whole bar style, the hold up. Catch up to my campaign coop, the color of mayonnaise, yeah that pocket was crazy. Yeah, yeah, the pocket that he had was crazy on that record.
Speaker 2:I don't know you want to know it. Sean, I might be with you on Mercy so we marking out Soul Paul for Mercy? Yeah, cause Mercy is a comparable beat but it's a more impactful moment I got Mercy on the beat.
Speaker 4:On that one I like the Mercy beat better that's why I'm here.
Speaker 1:We not doing that. I named Mike beat on that one. I like the Mercy beat better. That's why I'm here. Okay, nobody said.
Speaker 4:No, we're not doing that.
Speaker 2:I named why you was here, fam. Nobody asked you why you was here I named like 20 records.
Speaker 4:Coop followed that up with like 20 records. You throw one record in the hat like yo.
Speaker 5:That's why.
Speaker 2:I'm here. That's why I'm here. We ain't doing that.
Speaker 1:I do the body punches, I go for the head.
Speaker 4:Whoa, pause, pause, pause. Yo, that was crazy. That was a great show. You just need to calm down. Sit this one out, sean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sit this one out Real quick. Ada Spencer said Big Cap Ladies in the House featuring Bahamadiya, lauryn Hill precise, cheap and unique. It's dope. It's definitely not making the list, but it's dope, yeah, yeah, I agree. I think it's from Philly. Shout out to Philly how about this?
Speaker 2:Is Mercy better than Headbanger For me, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think so, I think it is I think so too. That beat is special. That beat is special.
Speaker 4:Grand finale. Is that getting taken off?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's not better than Mercy Bars are better.
Speaker 1:Can I throw one more monkey wrench out there, because this is what I do, okay. Please do. That's only three, though. That's not four verses Three how many Seagull is on?
Speaker 2:there but he's just doing the talking in between. Yeah, seagull's just talking, but I love me some 1-900-HUSTLER. That's one of those songs that it's like you want to know what 1-900-HUSTLER kind of day, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:So grand finale's off the board For the fam. It'd be tough for For the Fam to make this list.
Speaker 2:No, it's not making the list. It's not making the list because it's not better than Mercy got my mind made up. It's not better than those records.
Speaker 4:I'm just interested who y'all think had the best verse on For the Fam.
Speaker 1:Who's that Seagull? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, seagull, and you gotta drop a meal, so yeah.
Speaker 4:Man, y'all don't put respect on Bleak's name. Bleak came through with the energy on that track. Set that off, man Not enough people get Bleak.
Speaker 2:as respect Billy Cat back at it.
Speaker 4:I mean Seagull had the best verse, but people be hating on Bleak man Late night club night.
Speaker 2:Mac-a-track Dykes. What'd you say, sean?
Speaker 1:Bleak was a rapper.
Speaker 2:See, man, you got to be on here being a Bleak apologist man. That's that Queen's energy. That's that Queen's energy, Yep All right.
Speaker 4:Got my mind made up. We taking that off right.
Speaker 2:Mercy or got my mind made up, would be the question for me for that last spot.
Speaker 1:That's a tough one.
Speaker 4:Yo, I don't know if we got 15, though, because didn't we have? No, I don't think. I think we have 14. Okay, hold on. We got I-4 and I.
Speaker 2:We got I-4. And I right, yeah, yeah, benjamin, yep, symphony, yep, get Up, get Out Yep, Blackout, yep, I Shot your Remix. Yep. John Blaze. Yep 24 Hours to Live. Yep Scenario. Yep Flavinia Ear Remix. Yep Niggas Done Started Somethin'. That's the one that we was questioning I would tell you I would take so appalled over niggas done, started something that's just me.
Speaker 4:But we still got watch for the hook table, got my mind made up table Forever and Swagger like us is not going to make it.
Speaker 1:I don't think so, I would vote for you forever. Me too, and we still to make it? I don't think so. I would vote for B2W forever.
Speaker 2:I'll be honest with you, me too.
Speaker 4:And we still got Affirmative Action. I'm sorry, not Affirmative Action. We still got International Players, anthem and Ladies Night Remix Table.
Speaker 1:Yo Boy Gifted just said, boot camp click here is not ready.
Speaker 2:Nah, operation Lockdown would be a better pick. That's my joint.
Speaker 1:Oh, Operation Lockdown would be a better pick. That's too much, oh my goodness. But they came in together though, so you can't really count.
Speaker 2:that, though Did they come in together?
Speaker 1:Boot camp click yeah.
Speaker 2:So what's our tally at? Let's get the list wrapped up.
Speaker 4:Is that 15? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19. If we count the joints at this table, we got to cut four more.
Speaker 1:Yo, kenny Maxson, you're the Master P y'all. Yo, that's intentional Shout out to Master P.
Speaker 2:Make him say no, can get some honorable mention.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they got a mention, yeah all right, we mentioned this.
Speaker 4:I'm moving forward um watch for the hook. Does it make the list yes or no?
Speaker 1:no, all right all right off the books is a good one too. Off the books enough, it's three it's three verses that's three.
Speaker 2:It's three verses.
Speaker 4:Yeah, need four all I've listened to enough. That's three verses. That's three. That's three. Yeah, need four. All right, ladies Night remix. Who are you going to pander to the ladies? Are we going to like? What are we doing?
Speaker 2:I'm leaving this one up to you. I kind of want to put my cape on for the ladies Record's really big. Lisa, Left Eye, Lopez, a little ATL in there. The Brat Chi-Town. Lil' Kim New York, Angie, New York, Covering a lot of bases. Missy on the Hook, where she literally says you ain't going to be using me for singing hooks like Patti LaBelle or somebody.
Speaker 4:Is that joint on streaming? Huh, is that joint on streaming?
Speaker 2:I'm not sure. Shit, I don't know where it is anymore, because it was to that movie. What was it? Was it like a Martin Lawrence movie? Was that the Nothing to Lose lead single?
Speaker 4:I don't remember, because you know what I'm saying. You know we got to give this to the fans, so that's you know. I'm just throwing that out there.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Here's my thing with Ladies Night Big moment, but there's hard to point out like some bar work on there. That was really special.
Speaker 4:It's a great record. I'll put it by self-destruction, like we did earlier in the conversation.
Speaker 2:We can slide it over into self-destruction territory.
Speaker 4:That's good All right, Sean was going to be misogynistic anyway and say don't include it. So we're just saving him the trouble I'd like something we do. That's not necessary. International Players Anthem. Yo, that's wild that we tabling the ladies and then going straight into international players anthem yeah, we sound terrible.
Speaker 2:Mostly you two ladies know that I love them. I've been repping for the ladies for years oh man, okay, ooh, international players. Anthem or mercy. I'm going. Mercy, that's a tough one, I'm going. Mercy, that's a tough one, I'm not going to lie.
Speaker 2:Mercy's more exciting to me. Okay. So let me tell you this is some Southern bias here. You know Project Pat did that beat first. It's either on Mr Don't Play or Getty Green. I feel like Shit. It might not even be on either one of those albums. So for Cats in the South we had heard a Southern nigga do that record before I just feel like that. They took it to the next level lyrically. But Project Padded took the same beat sample the same way before.
Speaker 4:It's almost virtually the same. I'm going to tell you this Whichever one we cut between those two, that'll put us at our 15th. I love international players anthem. That's one of three stacks best verses. But if we want any representation of a modern era, we got to go with mercy. Yeah, because that's the most, that's the most modern era track. We would have more in here. Yeah, I'm cool with that. What'd you say, sean? My bad, that's a tough call. That's a tough one. We do have self-representation. We get up and get out.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And I don't think International Players Anthem is better than that. It's not.
Speaker 1:It's not as great as it is. It's not. It's not as great as it is.
Speaker 2:It's not, it's not, it's not, it's that. You know what? That? That is, um, it's ladies night with better bars, like the kind of like juxtapose it. It's like you know what I'm saying. It's a great song, yeah, but really and.
Speaker 1:I'll get we should.
Speaker 4:You can't give love to the players after shunning the ladies, so I see what you did, coop, so we go with.
Speaker 1:Mercy Soul Medicine and your remix.
Speaker 2:I like the original better. It's that the original is so much better than me. I'm with AG on that one. I just love the original so much. It's like that's one of those records. It's like you can remix it all you want. I'm still going to play the original more. Play the ear. Remix is up there for me because it's like I feel like I play the remix as much as I play the real version, and the real version is a fucking classic.
Speaker 4:Alright, fellas, it's time to rank them. We got our 15th LP LP. It's not Super Chat, but I want to read it out. He said it doesn't need to be represented if it's not up to the standard. Mercy, in my opinion, is up to the standard. That's one of the dopest posi cuts, you know. I mean I think it's. I think it can crack the top 15 list. It's definitely top 20. I think Mercy is up there it is definitely when Mercy was out in real time, everybody was going crazy to Mercy 20.
Speaker 2:I think Mercy is up there. It is Definitely. When Mercy was out in real time, everybody was going crazy to Mercy.
Speaker 1:It was a moment.
Speaker 2:When Mercy came out, it was a moment.
Speaker 1:It was. You can't deny it.
Speaker 2:Nope, can we rank them? It's got the entertainment. It's got the beat. It's got the wow factor. It's got the bars. It's got the energy. Mercy's got the beat. It's got the wow factor. It's got the bars. It's got the energy. Mercy is there, I'm with Mercy.
Speaker 1:Can we rank them offline and go to the crews?
Speaker 2:no doubt, it's getting late. We can fight amongst ourselves about the ranking and the verses, and who had the best verses?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so to the cruise. The cruise is tough. I mean, I can start it off so we can get through it. I got, of course, you got Rockefeller. You really can't deny that. You got one of the best in Jay. You got Bean's lyrical assassin. You got Emil I'm just kidding. You got Bleak, who had his moments.
Speaker 2:The Rockefeller crew is so interchangeable though it is. You got 97 Rockefeller, which is like sauce and bleak and like jazz. That's the first iteration, yeah. And then it's like two years later it's like well, you got bleak beans and J. And then, like a year after that, it's like J state property with beans you know what I'm saying and Freeway and.
Speaker 2:Petey and Oskeno, sparks, chris and Leaf, like. I feel like there's a few iterations. Then there's when Kanye comes along on the back end. You know what I'm saying. I feel like you have a few iterations, my favorite iteration was the early 2000s one with State Prop.
Speaker 4:This is just before Cam and the Dipset were introduced in the fray.
Speaker 4:They always seem like they're separate things, you know. But before we deep dive, you know, down the crew love thing, like, me and Sean had a conversation, you know, off air, because we was trying to distinguish what was the main difference between a group and a crew or a collective, and the only clear-cut thing that I could come up with is how somebody is introduced to us, right, um, routine was introduced to us as a group and then they all branched off solo, you know, versus. We just got through talking about rockefeller, even if they put out a compilation album as a group, they all were introduced as solo artists or little duos or groups by themselves. So that's more of a collective, that's more of a crew. So if you're introduced to the world as a group, then that's a separate thing. To the world as a group, then that's a separate thing. So we're not going to be putting Wu-Tang in this crew love situation, or Tribe Called Quest or nobody like that. So it's you know. Just wanted to make that clear.
Speaker 2:So no, and I understand that. So for me. So look at it like this. For me it's Rough Riders and I'm going to tell you why. Go look at it like this. For me it's Rough Riders and I'm going to tell you why. Go look at our posse cut list 24 Hours to Live.
Speaker 2:Has who on there Blackout? Has who on there Niggas done, started something Crew Love is supposed to translate through the music. You feel what I'm saying? That's a fact. So like, so, like to point this out. It's like.
Speaker 2:Well, notice, I didn't mention one firm song, really, except for affirmative action, and it's because, because of the personal things that went on, the crew love never really got to shine like that rough riders. Crew love shines through the music. They have so many great cuts. Think about it, one of the chopping floor things was the Scenario 2000 remix. Yep, that's Rough Riders. I love that beat.
Speaker 2:Three records, no, I'm sorry, four records, because they're on Reservoir Dogs 2. Think about it Four of our 15 posse cut records have Rough Riders involved, because they're the actual crew that makes the best rap music together, as in, when you mix and match those guys, yeah, like you might get kissing styles with even x, or you might get chic in styles like like, it don't matter how you parse it out. When rough riders came with their shit, they were actually the best crew because it translated the best musically yo, real quick, and it and listen. It translated on mixtapes. It translated on songs that didn't make albums and it translated to albums. It translated all the levels. It's like no, the niggas is nice on the mixtapes. The niggas is nice on each other's albums. They nice on the compilation albums. They nice on the shit that never touches albums.
Speaker 4:You just made me think of something. I forgot Tommy's thing that got one.
Speaker 2:Made Men in the Locks.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's one that could have been a Dark Horse. I don't know if it makes the top 15, but that joint is crazy. I don't think it does, though Top 30. Yeah, it's dope, but it's not top 15 dope. She went crazy on that, having to rap after Jaden Styles with her back-to-back.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing about it the Lox are the best teammates in rap history because together they make magic, but if you go put them somewhere else, money Power, respect with DMX, yeah, they stand out. And Lil' Kim we left that joint out Huh.
Speaker 4:We left that joint out.
Speaker 2:We did Mercy got to go, mercy got to go.
Speaker 4:Mercy got to go. Mercy got to go, mercy might need to go.
Speaker 2:That's the track that I identified Kiss to when he said I sneeze on tracks and bless you. I'm special. If you like working out, then I'm going to stretch you. Yeah, Mercy got to go. Yeah, that's what I'm saying Rough Riders is a crew. Think about it If we put Money, power, respect in, that'll be five of our 15 have one camp on there. That should let you know that they're the best crew, because five of our 15 come from that crew in some sort of type of way.
Speaker 4:Sean, I want to get off the Super Chat real quick.
Speaker 1:I got two of them real quick. Lp said I'm speaking in general. Hold on, I'm speaking in general. It should stand on its own, not just because a modern song needs representation, same with any other genres or time frame.
Speaker 4:Well. Lb that joint just got cut New.
Speaker 2:God flow is only three people, that's Ghost, Yang and Pusha yeah $10 super chat.
Speaker 1:He said would new God flow be considered a posse cut or no?
Speaker 4:No, it's three verses, three verses, three verses, yeah, but yeah, shout out, shout out to lp, man. Um, yeah, you know what? You were saying about mercy, mercy, mercy just got cut in real time because we were slipping and forgot about muddy power. Respect who just said it casually in conversation I'm yo. That's not even on our list. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:But they're everywhere. But look at it. That's another Rough Riders-based song. That's the Lox record. That's the Lox breakout record. Actually, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So Rough Riders got to be number one for us right now. Right, Rough Riders got to be number one.
Speaker 2:If we're keeping it to hip-hop and keeping it to the music, rough Riders is the number one crew because they're the ones that supplied us with the best music. Think about this. Think about all the crew compilation albums. Name a better crew compilation album than Rough Riders, volume 1. Volume 1 was dope, though Volume 1 was crazy. Volume 1 had Down Bottom. It had what you Want. It had the Kiss the Death record. It had the X record. At the end it had the Ride or Die intro that Adriel was talking about Deserves honorable mention.
Speaker 1:It had those Symphony 2000. I can't listen to what you Want anymore.
Speaker 2:Quick sidebar. I met Eve the summer that came out. She came to the record store that I worked at in Charlotte. She was just in some Daisy Dukes and a tank top.
Speaker 1:It was glorious. It was glorious.
Speaker 2:I'm about to put the picture up and she was cool, she was around the world. This was before she was big. You know what I'm saying. Okay. Okay, there's no need to stun on me, you don't have to do that there's no need to stun on me you don't have to do that.
Speaker 1:You didn't have to do that you want to know what you want to know what it's nasty that Sean got that joint that close that's nasty work.
Speaker 2:The picture with Eve close like that is wild give me two seconds you want to know what that is that's offsides on the play. That picture is too close off sides that's a five-yard penalty.
Speaker 2:Wow, for that way, like the wolverine meme. Well, here's the thing about it when she popped up when she popped up, she wasn't a star yet, like that. She just had this one record. We didn't know if she was going to be big, but I was there and I watched her sign. See, our thing at Manifest was that the artists that used to come in used to have to sign one of our little styrofoam ceilings. You know what I'm saying? Remember the old ceilings that cause asbestos and all that? Yeah, yeah we. So we used to take those pieces down and you had to sign one of those. And so I was there when she signed one and she was so cute and so sweet and they were like Coop, why aren't you talking? It's like because I haven't figured out what to say yet. It's like because I don't know if I want to ask her about her rap career, if I want to ask her out right now because I'm motherfucking fine, but she came in there like around the corner, way chick from Ph story that's what I'm here for.
Speaker 2:I'm not here for anything but that yo, we need to we need to control the interface we need to control the interface so we can cut Sean off when needed the fact that he pulled that joint out real quick. It's almost like he was waiting for me to say something about it. I was. He could pull a picture Right.
Speaker 4:Listen, listen, it's not like it was a joint on his phone, it was a physical, like this man got a pull-away.
Speaker 2:He took that to his local drug pharmacy store and got those pictures made and kept that picture. That's back when you could get the pack of like 34 pictures and they would make double and give you the fucking negatives and it'd be like $17.99 and you'd be like bet Yo man, shout out to Eve and shout out to Stevie J as well.
Speaker 1:Man, I hope you're showing a few better homies, yo Sean.
Speaker 2:Sean AG. I got a. Stevie J story too, but we're not going to talk about that online.
Speaker 4:So do Sean. No, you don't For real, I do, yo, we'll talk offline. We'll talk offline.
Speaker 1:We'll talk offline Because you want to talk to me. Hey look here All I got to say look, before I tell the story pause.
Speaker 4:Yo, that's wild.
Speaker 1:Yo pause.
Speaker 4:Yo that's wild, yo man, that's crazy, yo yo Sean listen, hey, coop Sean pulled that picture out like a grandma pulled a picture out of her grandbabies out of her purse no, no, this is when my baby graduated in 2005.
Speaker 2:She's a chemical engineer now.
Speaker 4:Y'all want to see Maya don't do that, don't do that you want to know, we're not going through all these crews we're taking five crews and we're getting out of here.
Speaker 2:Rough Riders is number one y'all got that secret shoebox yo I can't with this dude oh man
Speaker 4:oh, this is wild. But yeah, man, I gotta buy in for number two G-Unit man, because we've never seen somebody usher in a crew and take them to superstar heights as well. Like, you always had the front runner of the crews and then you had the other members of the crew that couldn't reach quite the stat and 50 was out of here, don't get it twisted but couldn't reach that same level of superstar status. Everybody in G unit was pretty much going platinum. And I want to know what you want to know what. You make a very valid point superstar status. Everybody in G-Unit was pretty much going platinum.
Speaker 2:You want to know what. You want to know what you make a very valid point, ag, because it's like I've never seen a crew have the other crew members Think about it. This nigga did 10 mil but no Game did five. Banks did a couple, buck did a couple. They had every region on lock.
Speaker 4:Every region. They had the West, they had the East, they had the South with Buck, and they put it this way Yeo was a star and was locked up in jail and came out and put out a gold album.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4:Off the strength of them, just shouting them out. That's crazy. I mean they might be number one. The quality is there with the locks.
Speaker 2:Let me push back on you, because why don't you have Dungeon Family or the Native Tongues ahead of G-Unit?
Speaker 4:Dungeon Family would be the only one. I can't put Native Tongues above them.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on. First of all, the Native Tongues got Dayline Tribe under their belt. So just if we're talking album material, we're talking everybody up. That's more than enough. Because Daylight and Tribe have arguably three classics apiece. That's six classics floating in that collective. So G-Unit don't have six classics.
Speaker 4:True, the classic records there, their quality is there. But if G-Unit go on an international tour and Native Tongues go on an international tour, what's happening? We just talked to Will about this the other day.
Speaker 2:This is what I mean about Native Tongues and Dungeon Family, though they spawned whole generations of MCs and styles of MCs after them that came after them. G-unit. G-unit. G-unit Native Tongues. Transitions into the roots in common.
Speaker 4:It's a lot of people off that tree, but what about G-Unit's mixtape on? I mean impact on the mixtape circuit.
Speaker 2:It's arguable. How about this? It's like here's the thing they got Get Rich or Die Trying in the documentary. But it's like here's the thing they got get rich or die trying in the documentary yeah but it's like native tongues got the low end theory and midnight marauders, I would say three feet high and rising and balloon.
Speaker 2:Mind state and stakes is high and people in states of travels. The albums trump the mixtapes to me. If I'm leaning, outkast got those three Outkast albums. They got Southern Playalistic, atlians and Equimini Goody Mob has Still Standing and Soul Food. They got Witch Dock.
Speaker 4:They cover too much ground with their members. They birth future.
Speaker 2:Future is Dungeon Family.
Speaker 4:That's.
Speaker 2:Rico Wade's cousin.
Speaker 4:So I would say that Rough Riders need to slide down a few notches. We need to look at putting the Dungeon Family or Native Tongues for one and two, and then G-Unit, probably three. I would maybe even argue G-Unit over.
Speaker 1:Rough Riders, you put G-Unit over Rough.
Speaker 2:Riders, I can't do that.
Speaker 4:Who has the bigger?
Speaker 2:impact.
Speaker 1:Rough Riders. You think so.
Speaker 2:They were here before and after the G-Unit run. Think about this. That's fair. Think about what happened in the Garden. Think about what happened in the Garden. The what happened in the garden. The dip set when they just went against the locks there was no. I think like, think about this dip setting for whoever they were and they might belong on this list. They couldn't even deal with a faction of rough riders, which is the locks don't let. Dmx, be around and show up right?
Speaker 4:no, I agree with what you're saying, but for me I compartmentalize the locks because I still have that bad boy era in my mind, but they were still under Rough Riders management.
Speaker 2:You know, what I'm saying. They were always under Rough Riders management.
Speaker 4:So if I'm looking at it like that, then yeah, I'd give it to Rough Riders, but in my mind I'm like, okay, well, half that time they was bad boys, so I don't count it. But you're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't do that.
Speaker 2:I would tell you this is what I mean if we're going by all the things. If we're going by all the things, it's Rough Riders, because here's what I'm saying. Well, rough Riders has the Jadakiss albums, the DMX albums, the Lox albums and the two Eve albums.
Speaker 4:That first Eve. Well, both Eve albums, the first two albums was major, yeah, so that's comparable.
Speaker 2:So it may not be a better album for album than Dungeon Family and Native Tongues, but they made more classic posse cut songs like a crew than those crews did.
Speaker 4:D-Unit was more lightning in a bottle. It was fast, fast, but it was a massive impact but it was almost as quick as it started.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Locke just pulled up to the garden and stepped on Dipset Everywhere we go, people want to know.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest it would have been the same as G-Unit.
Speaker 2:Right, here's the thing. I don't know about that, because there are enough songs with G-Unit members that are big enough to fight off that Locke Street shit. That's what I'm saying. It's like think about it. Think about them 50 mixtapes and the Banks and Yayo joints, think about something like, but they're not the performers that the Lockes are.
Speaker 2:They're not the performers, First of all very few people are the performers that the Lockes are. Very few people are the performers at the Lockstar. We found that out at Madison Square Garden. We found that out at Madison Square Garden. It's like I don't know, Don't fuck with them. Dudes on stage. They hold their breath when they rap.
Speaker 4:So, between Native Tongues and the Dungeon Family, what would y'all have as one and two?
Speaker 1:Because I think it's Native Tongues is number one for me, okay.
Speaker 2:I would have to take Native Tongues because I feel like they have about six to seven classic albums to Dungeon Family's five. Yeah.
Speaker 4:So, that's like. So even if they're 1A, 1b or 1 and 2, then Rough Riders would be three and we're saying G-Unit four. That would slide Rockefeller down to fifth. And is that because of and I'm just asking questions Coop? Is that because of the disjointedness of the crew, like over the eras? You know where you have different iterations of it lack of classic Rockefeller songs.
Speaker 2:I think would be their hurt and were they really crew?
Speaker 4:because, like I said, I felt like J&M may mess with Dipset too tough and they were the only thing how many like think about this.
Speaker 2:Our bar seminar this week was Seagulls verse on crew love, correct. How many joints do they really have as good as crew love, though as a collective, because the locks like Rough Riders. Rough Riders got like 20 joints.
Speaker 4:Like crew love, right like you would have, like the name, the what we do them type of tracks, but yeah, they're named, everything.
Speaker 2:Like you could go to the rough riders compilation and pick five songs, and then you could go to x albums and pick a couple records. Then you go to the locks albums, pick a couple records, go to eve's album, pick a couple records, go to the mixtapes, pick a couple records. What Then? You go to the Locks albums, pick a couple records, go to Eve's album, pick a couple records, go to the mixtapes, pick a couple records. What I'm saying is that Rough Riders covered all the territory.
Speaker 1:They did, but they just covered everything as a collective. They don't have a lot, Just like I saw Kenny Mack put in my death row as a collective. Death row really didn't put a lot together. Death Row really didn't put a lot together Outside of 2001 and Doggystyle.
Speaker 2:you really don't have a lot of collaborative stuff from Death Row, Not like people think. Got my Mind Made Up is the only posse cut on a double disc album Dog. Food don't got a posse cut.
Speaker 4:And Dre wasn't producing for him like that. You know he only got two records for pot, you know.
Speaker 2:Did he? Even do any records on Dog Food. That's what I'm saying. The posse cut feel is really on Snoop's album and on 2001.
Speaker 4:Yeah, dre was out of there. Let me ask y'all you know, if Rockefeller would be fifth, fifth, what would y'all have to say about the the saint lunatics, because I think something needs to be said for nelly. Coming from, saint louis is not really a hip-hop region and he went like he sold crazy amount of records and then put his crew on that nobody had ever heard before and they were pretty successful.
Speaker 2:Not that they didn't have bars and stuff like that the degree of difficulty AG is probably the toughest degree of difficulty out of anybody on this list right, but then you got to look at like okay, so I don't know, Hold on. I mean more Southern bias. What about Cash Money and the Hot Boys? They did more than St Lunatics yeah, they did. Every time I come around your city bling bling. Pinky Ring worth about 50, bling, bling they really did.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I would put Cash Money and probably no Limit over Nelly and the St Louis Lunatics here.
Speaker 2:I think Cash Money might be ahead of Rockefeller. Am I being Southern biased when I'm saying that?
Speaker 4:I don't know if I would go that far.
Speaker 1:I don't know. It doesn't sound crazy, because Rockefeller, you got Jay, you got Beez. Then there's a drop in that as a's, then there's a drop in that as a collective there's a drop.
Speaker 2:How about this? Rockefeller don't have a bling, bling? They don't they don't have a song that encapsulates and symbolizes their era, the way that they have bling blings. They got the Hot Boys. They have the actual Hot Boys record.
Speaker 4:We On Fire. What would you say is the closest? Would you say Rock the Mic is the closest thing they got to? That?
Speaker 2:That's just two of them. That's not a bling bling. What about Project Chick? You know what I'm saying? What about? Number One Stunner with BG and fucking. What about? The Block Is Hot, where Juvenile and BG are going back and forth on the hook for Wayne, yeah, like where the Rockefeller records where you got like Siegel and and where you got Jay and Siegel going back and forth on a hook for for bleep Right.
Speaker 4:No, you're right. You're right, it was a concerted effort with their camp. You know what I mean. That was yeah. They did a lot of stuff together.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, man. What Rockefeller moment from a guest artist is bigger than Wayne on? Drop it Like it's Hot or Back that Ass Up, you feel me? They don't have that Cash Money is a crew to me. You know what I'm saying. You got to think about it. They had the Hot Boys, which was a four-minute crew. They had Big Timers, which is Baby and Manny. Then they all had their solo shit. But everybody jumped on the solo shit they on Juvenile Album, they on Wayne Album, they on BG Album.
Speaker 4:Bling is actually a.
Speaker 2:Hot Boys record.
Speaker 4:And for them as a crew. I have them over no Limit.
Speaker 2:They were just better MCs outside of Mystical and Soulja Slim. You know what I'm saying. Soulja Slim actually went solo towards the end and wasn't even on no Limit like that, so it was really mystical, and they champion cash money, more so than no Limit down there.
Speaker 1:Anyhow, I would just tell you that this week Okay.
Speaker 2:so, peep, the background of that you know. P went to Oakland no Limit started in. Oakland For a long time.
Speaker 1:If you didn't know, you would think that P was from the West Coast.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So P bought the Oakland hustle out the trunk hustle back to New Orleans. But when P came back, baby and Slim was already UNLV and bounce music and Juby was Magnolia, you know Soldier Rags and like all that. Like, yeah, cash money was more rooted in the New Orleans culture. P I mean P did the right thing too, because here's the thing P could have just stayed gone and talked that shit and blew it up.
Speaker 2:P actually did come back, but he did leave cash money as New Orleans owned and built you know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what they were saying down there, wasn't they?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I know.
Speaker 2:My barber for 15 years was from Fifth Ward. I've heard all the stories.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they champion those guys down there. I was in Juba Tuesday. That's all they talked about. They don't even talk about no Limit down there. Master P, don't get no love down there like that. Look here.
Speaker 2:Juvie's the fucking man down there. People don't understand and I'm not trying to slight Wayne at all when I say this but New Orleans reveres Juvie in a way that I don't think they revere anybody else, because with high with back that ass up at 400 degrees. He's the one that really put New Orleans on the map and he's legendary and gold down there forever for that.
Speaker 4:Well, one of them was vying for trying to be the best rapper alive and he's in GOAT conversation, especially to people of this generation, because he tried to please the people up top New York and East Coast.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. But down in New Orleans and Juvie took the UNLV beat and did set it off and all that, oh no, that's stuff he going to be remembered forever for. Right, yeah, that's that yellow boy beat from UNLV. That beat like from like 1991, 92, nigga, you know what I'm saying. So when he's dropping it 10 years later, that's not about getting mass appeal, that's about taking it back to his roots at home, and home loves him more. I saw that firsthand. Yeah, you flicked it up with the nigga in the projects.
Speaker 1:He was posted up in there like it was nothing. He was posted up, it ain't nothing, no one touched him, no bodyguard, nothing. He just had his car 760 Beamer right there in the front, right across from we was on Claiborne, right under the bridge.
Speaker 2:The infamous bridge Put the whole fucking city on Damn right, park his car anywhere. That's like facing Houston. It's like face pull up. It's like no, no, no, you can leave the whip outside all day. Nobody about to fucking touch your car. Don't touch your nigga car. Are you fucking crazy? Absolutely.
Speaker 1:They got to be up there. Ag. They got to be up there.
Speaker 4:So where does and Sean me and you done had this conversation a few times off air when does Murder Ink fall in all this?
Speaker 1:Gotta show them love. It's tough. You gotta show them some kind of love, man. Because I think here's the funny thing about Murder Inc. I think the parallels are similar to St Lunatics, because you had Ja, who was larger than life, you had Nelly, who was larger than life, and then you had their crews behind them and they had a moment. St Lunatics really had a moment because they were riding off the coattails of Nelly. Same thing with Ja Cadillac, todd, black Child those guys had a moment off the coattails of Ja, but when Ja collapsed, everybody just collapsed. They didn't have a single Except for Shanti.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can put Shanti in there. That's nasty work in my opinion, because she carried it from a different perspective. She had a built-in fan base. You know R&B base we're talking about like crew.
Speaker 4:What's nasty work about me mentioning Ashanti I? Mean, I'm just saying, I mean are you mad that you don't got a picture with her too? You mentioned Eve, you mentioned Maya, Like are you just upset that you don't have a picture?
Speaker 1:with her, because actually this was circa 2008.
Speaker 4:It was set up Yo, your shoebox is wild, bro, like that's nasty work Yo and I got the white AV on at that. The fact that you just got those ready is like crazy.
Speaker 1:Just in case. I'm here for only that. It's really God's show. I'm just here for that.
Speaker 2:Jack said we forgot to read his super chat.
Speaker 1:Oh my bad, Jack. Jack's still on his. He's still on Kendrick's, though.
Speaker 2:Is he still?
Speaker 1:on Kung Fu Kenny. He got a champion lyricist.
Speaker 4:That was like an hour and a half ago, Jack. Oh, my God. Jack.
Speaker 2:Stop it Please.
Speaker 4:Tell Sean to stop it with the pigs man.
Speaker 2:Sean's not going to stop with the pigs. We need to make reasonable accommodations, it's reasonable Ask. Jack to stop. Sean's not going to stop. Sean's on one tonight. We getting the fucking pictures from fucking 2001.
Speaker 4:Sean needed it. The Book of Hov had all the pictures with the room and stuff. That's like Sean with all his pictures. He got his celebrity wall. Look here Sean got pictures. Look here Sean got pictures.
Speaker 2:Look here. Sean got pictures with Whitney when she made I Want to Dance with Somebody. He got pictures of Aretha Franklin when she did Natural Woman. Chaka Khan, I'll Feel for you this nigga got all the pictures okay. He does. He got all the pictures all right, mariah Carey, when she did Vision of Love. Sean got those pictures, we got it. You got all the pictures, nigga, we got it.
Speaker 1:I even got Nas right here. That's the ace card, though it's not about me. It's not about me, it's about the show. It's definitely time to end this show. Yo, definitely time to end this show. It's ridiculous. I think we can make this a part two. Fellas, it's about to be 1130. I think everybody got to get to bed. It's a great show.
Speaker 2:Outside of your pictures. It was a great show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's crazy cool.
Speaker 2:I'm crazy. Where are we at we Native Tongues? Dungeon, family, rough Riders, g-unit, g-unit, rockefeller Nah, I'm taking cash money over to Rock. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:That was me, so I'm mad.
Speaker 2:East Coast dudes is going to have to be mad and prove me wrong that Rockefeller is better than cash money. You're going to have to prove it, did Rockefeller? Get a $30 million distribution deal. You're going to have to prove it.
Speaker 1:Did Rockefeller get a $30 million distribution deal? That's tough, man. I think cash money adds your mouth.
Speaker 2:I think we hold Rockefeller high because of Jay. First and foremost it's Jay, and then it's the potential of Beans, but after that, like Right, that's a good point.
Speaker 1:Who's that?
Speaker 2:Cash money after the unit. Yeah, Beans best album ain't even on rockefeller it's on dame, dash music group.
Speaker 4:Yep, on dame dash music group.
Speaker 2:The becoming right, like I love the truth, but the truth is not the becoming right real, quick, but real quick before we end, like do y'all consider the firm a collapse?
Speaker 4:so, uh, a collapse overall. As far as the crew, a collapse yeah.
Speaker 1:Not really.
Speaker 4:I mean not a collapse, but do you think it got off the ground like it should have? I know they put out an album.
Speaker 2:I mean, see, here's the thing about it, when you got a prime Foxy, Nas and AZ and the crew, you're just supposed to make more classic records than what they made.
Speaker 4:But I think it was doomed for the start with the Cormega Nature Swap Out and the Steve Stout stuff.
Speaker 2:See, here's the thing about it. I don't give a fuck about none of that. It's like Nas and AZ and Foxy Brown's supposed to be enough. That's supposed to be enough. How about this? We're supposed to have about 10 classic songs from them and we got Phone Tap Desperados. Executive Decision.
Speaker 4:I think it was too much label involvement because they're really not on a whole lot of songs together.
Speaker 2:That's the problem when they're actually on records together, when they're actually doing records together. What was it, La Familia?
Speaker 4:That didn't even make it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah it didn't even make it.
Speaker 3:What's going on when they doing that shit, when they on that shit, when they on the Affirmative?
Speaker 2:Action shit, yeah Like oh no.
Speaker 4:How about this? The Affirmative Action remix with the symphony beat Crazy I'm.
Speaker 2:They could have made them a Benjamins with that crew, no doubt.
Speaker 1:No doubt the labels, man, they weren't playing your fan. This is for all you fucking Kendrick fans.
Speaker 2:This is me criticizing a Nas and a Nas-based group. Basic-ass niggas. You hear me do it live. You watching me do it live. It's so basic, man. I'm so sick of these dudes. You don't understand what I've been going through for years trying to talk to these dudes.
Speaker 4:It's like I criticize everybody.
Speaker 2:The firm is a disappointment.
Speaker 4:All right, so we got Coop going. Rogue Sean showing his Polaroids. No-transcript.
Speaker 2:We gotta. It's called a jump drive, fam. It's called a jump drive. Scan them, put them on the drive, label the drive.
Speaker 1:I can go to the phone. That's what y'all want.
Speaker 4:Yo, it's time to end the show bro.
Speaker 2:Everybody have a good evening. If I can subscribe to the page. If I can subscribe to the page.
Speaker 4:No doubt. Thank everybody for the super chats. We'll get better at acknowledging and reading those and putting respect on y'all's money. We're new to this forum on the super chat game so you know they was coming in rapid fire I'm sure a lot of them to cook what we were saying about Kendrick. But you know we appreciate it nonetheless because if you're going to cook us, please send some dollars with your cooking look here, this is only episode number four.
Speaker 2:We're still working it out, guys, you know what I'm saying, yeah we're gonna get the game playing together. We're gonna get the formula together. We're not gonna post pictures from 2000.
Speaker 1:No, whoa I got one from 2024 two days ago, if y'all want to see that too. So I mean, get this guy off camera. It's not about me Shout out to everybody.
Speaker 2:That's what you're here for.
Speaker 1:That's all I'm here for. I'm just here to support Shout out.
Speaker 2:Look here, we need to get on LinkedIn AG and be like, so we need a moderator for Hip Hop Talks.
Speaker 1:Yo, that's crazy. Yo, I'm going to come in here wearing shades next time I turn my hat backwards.
Speaker 4:No, you won't, Don't do that.
Speaker 2:You want to put some glasses on too?
Speaker 1:Go ahead, and complete the corny-ass feeling. You want me a goatee. My bad man, my bad.
Speaker 1:Yo shout out to all of you. Shout out to everybody, thank you. Make sure you like and subscribe. Show some love. We appreciate y'all. We will get better at the super chats. This is the first night that we're doing super chats. We have so much material that we want to get out A lot of conversation we want to get out. So we're working on different things, maybe a couple of more shows, things like that we're working on to give you guys what y'all want, what you need. Shout out to Taj. Her birthday is coming up, actually tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Midnight, 30 minutes. I think 24 is the time to be alive, to be that young, but make sure y'all show her some love as well. She does a lot of hard work behind the scenes. A lot of good stuff for the team.
Speaker 1:She connects our dots. She connects the dots. She definitely connects the dots. Keep us in the loop on things. Keep us on our toes. Shout out to Taj. Shout out to Stacks of being in the background helping with the comments and everything like that. Shout out to Andrew you know technical support. You know one of the engineers back there. Shout out to Boogie you know he's also a good son of the team. We got a lot of people working behind the scenes. Make sure that they're showing love as well hey, actually you know.
Speaker 2:I mean I wanted to thank y'all right quick for the way y'all have brought andrew and mirror music into the fold. I wanted to thank y'all for that. Like that's my right hand man. Uh, I've known andrew literally more than half my life. I've known, known Andrew since I was 15 years old. Y'all talk to this motherfucker more than I do sometimes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, fuck a lot, but I want to thank y'all for being a teacher.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, he's great people Mirror Music going to be cranking back up soon. You know Andrew's a school teacher, so once finals is over, we're going to be cranking hard for the summer, like we always do. We got to finish this Grammy stuff Part of the umbrella. You know Hip Hop Talks is actually bigger than hip hop and expanding. We got our media and our website and our writing works coming soon, so y'all stay tuned for that. I don't want people getting it confused that Hip Hop Talks is just like a hip hop platform, just in the pod space. Ag, sean, you and I all the three of us are writers. Stacks is a writer, andrew is a writer and a teacher, taj is a writer. Happy birthday, taj. It's our birthday in 25 minutes. Happy birthday, what you call it, sean. Animal Thug. Animal Thug.
Speaker 2:Look here, wherever you at. Look if you catching Wi-Fi wherever you at floating on. Look if you catching wifi wherever you at floating on a boat, probably somewhere right now. That's like my, that's like. That's like my little sis that, like, tells me all the shit that I don't want to hear, that I want to hear, which is actually just like my biological little sister. So now I have two women in my life, in their twenties, telling me what the fuck I'm doing wrong all the time. I'd like to thank, Thank both of y'all for that. Shout out to my biological sister, Audrey. Shout out to my sis, Taj. Happy birthday. You know what I'm saying. Like and subscribe to the page. We at it hard. We at it every day. We love this. We care about this. We're going to get better with the super chats. You know still working out the kinks.
Speaker 4:Think about how fucking good, we are for only four shows, guys. No doubt, no doubt. And we're going to tighten this list up for y'all. The posse cup, we're going to rank them and then, you know, get one of those mixtapes out to the people you know what I'm saying so the fans can have that. You know, we're just trying to put out content for y'all that y'all can enjoy for real. So you know, we appreciate y'all for tapping in with us yeah, we love it.
Speaker 4:I'm having fun again no doubt is this track dropping at midnight. Oh my bad, sean, go ahead bro.
Speaker 1:If Drake does drop, you're going to get an exclusive from Coop and AG's, probably tomorrow.
Speaker 2:So if y'all want to, hate on them.
Speaker 1:I would encourage you to DM them and share all your hate, all your dislike for them, for AG and Coop. I'm okay with that, just don't send it my way.
Speaker 2:I mean, first of all, when Drake shows you what it's like to make a petty diss record, slaps the shit out your man, I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. When he slaps the shit out of your man, I don't. You ain't even showed him your picture with Drake. Sean, it's over, coop, it's over. That's all I've been hearing. It's over, he bodied him. It's like, oh, he bodied him. It's like, man, shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4:Sean got a Polaroid with Drake that he ain't showing nobody. He ain't pulling that picture.
Speaker 2:Sean got a Polaroid with Jennifer Lopez when she was dancing on the Living Colored nigga. All right.
Speaker 1:It's not about me, man, it's about the team.
Speaker 2:It's about the team.
Speaker 1:I'm just here to support. Get me out of here. Peace y'all, peace AG don't jump off this time either man.
Speaker 2:AG be out. He be like show done, fuck y'all.
Speaker 1:Peace. Go to the restroom. Man Get a weak bladder. Man Go to the restroom.