Embark on a lyrical journey with us as Shawn, Coop and AG dissect the high-stakes wordplay in Kendrick Lamar's latest diss track—a masterclass in hip-hop warfare. It's more than just beats and bars; it's a chess game of cultural significance, and we're here to navigate you through each strategic move. Join myself, Sean, along with Coop and AG, as we unpack everything from the crafty lyrics to the track's reverberations across the rap landscape.
Prepare to immerse yourself in the intricacies of rap rivalries and the artistry that fuels them. We don't just stop at Kendrick; we're analyzing the titans of the industry, like J. Cole's exit from the competitive scene and Drake's unrivaled tactical maneuvers. The discussion gets real as we explore how personal histories, sampling mastery, and the pursuit of lyrical dominion shape the music we're obsessed with. We'll traverse the complex relationships and power plays that make hip-hop the cultural powerhouse it is today.
By the end, you'll have a front-row seat to the strategic battles that define modern hip-hop. We're peeling back the layers on industry giants, their strategic diss records, and the unspoken rules of engagement in the rap game. It's more than just an analysis; it's a celebration of the genre's competitive spirit that keeps fans on the edge of their seats. So, press play and join the conversation that's as raw and unfiltered as the tracks we're breaking down.
Embark on a lyrical journey with us as Shawn, Coop and AG dissect the high-stakes wordplay in Kendrick Lamar's latest diss track—a masterclass in hip-hop warfare. It's more than just beats and bars; it's a chess game of cultural significance, and we're here to navigate you through each strategic move. Join myself, Sean, along with Coop and AG, as we unpack everything from the crafty lyrics to the track's reverberations across the rap landscape.
Prepare to immerse yourself in the intricacies of rap rivalries and the artistry that fuels them. We don't just stop at Kendrick; we're analyzing the titans of the industry, like J. Cole's exit from the competitive scene and Drake's unrivaled tactical maneuvers. The discussion gets real as we explore how personal histories, sampling mastery, and the pursuit of lyrical dominion shape the music we're obsessed with. We'll traverse the complex relationships and power plays that make hip-hop the cultural powerhouse it is today.
By the end, you'll have a front-row seat to the strategic battles that define modern hip-hop. We're peeling back the layers on industry giants, their strategic diss records, and the unspoken rules of engagement in the rap game. It's more than just an analysis; it's a celebration of the genre's competitive spirit that keeps fans on the edge of their seats. So, press play and join the conversation that's as raw and unfiltered as the tracks we're breaking down.
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Speaker 1:What's good out there everybody. Salute to all of you out there. I am Sean from Hip Hop Talks and we're about to get a show popping. But before we get into the show, last night we did a show, a crew love episode. Thank you all for hopping on that last night with us. We actually talked about the Kendrick first.
Speaker 1:The first disc record before this one came out today, and I want to start this show off by apologizing on behalf of my homies Coop and AG. Coop and AG about to hop on here in about three minutes, but I wanted to apologize on behalf of those guys because they shitted on Kendrick all episode last night. I was embarrassed, they ridiculed me, they mocked me, they made fun of me the entire time on and off camera, and I didn't like that. It didn't feel good. Pause, and I wanted to come on here and apologize to all the fans who pulled up last night and tell you all that today we will correct everything. I will correct everything.
Speaker 1:I failed you all last night by not standing up for the team, for the kindred followers, and I want to do that tonight because we had a long conversation after the show and one of the things I told Kool is that here in Hip Hop Talks we all about having a great conversation about, and we have to keep things above board. And the thing about it guys, ag and Kool they didn't govern themselves properly last night and I'm embarrassed by that. So now I'm here to correct their wrongs. I'm here to help things out and make the balance come back to where it should be. So thank you again for joining us on Hip Hop Talks. I am Sean and we're about to get this thing going. Yo what it do, ag.
Speaker 2:I can't stand you, bro. Just for the record, I don't even like you I don't even know why I'm on here.
Speaker 1:Yo, yo, you know y'all should never give me at least two to three minutes before you hop on. You know I'm going to do something crazy.
Speaker 2:That's wild, that's wild bro.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, Yo, but I had to make my plea to the Kendrick fan base and make sure that I set the tone before you and Coop come on. Y'all know you can't give me two to three minutes solo. You know I'm going to get that y'all. Yo, that's Coop. That sounds good.
Speaker 3:What's up man? What's going on fam? What's up Coop? I heard Sean on here losing it already.
Speaker 2:Already.
Speaker 1:Already, I haven't a wild card. Yeah, you know what? I don't even know what's going to happen before it happens. Yo, fellas, how y'all doing this Friday afternoon, man, how we doing it's a good.
Speaker 2:Friday.
Speaker 3:It's a good Friday. Yeah, yeah, real good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, real good, yo man. Shout out to everybody who's hopping in right now. Shout out to Amazon, spotify, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, let's get into it, yeah real good. You guys were very vocal last night. You got very disrespectful last night actually.
Speaker 3:And myself and the fans, we want an apology.
Speaker 1:You hear?
Speaker 3:this guy Koo. First of all, I don't really do, apologies or concession speeches. Hey Koo said he's not J Cole. No, yeah, there'll be none of that.
Speaker 2:There'll be none of that.
Speaker 3:He's not J Cole actually.
Speaker 1:He's that side, j Cole. But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 3:It's pretty fucking dope this. It's the best song that he's made in a long-ass time. He is in pocket. How about this? When we was asking is he the boogeyman? No, he sounds like the boogeyman on this track vocally. The vocal inflection and tone that he chose to use was immaculate for the beat. It was very well executed and these shots were more direct. This was more. This wasn't. This was I'm done playing with you, absolutely. This is also proof that I was talking about that.
Speaker 3:He was writing three or four of these records at once, stylistically, based on what I heard on Euphoria, because now you can see, with the quick comeback it's like oh yeah, no, you've been processing and working and breaking up and getting your game plan together too. So he's been carefully calculating this. He's been thoughtfully presenting this. This is the best record he's made in a minute. It's a dope-ass diss record. I don't think it's the best diss of all the disses that we've heard Pretty easily in my opinion, but it's not quite back-to-back level. It doesn't hurt like that, but it hurts Drake on the clock. Drake need to respond, which I believe. Go ahead, I don't want to talk too much. Go ahead, ag Go ahead.
Speaker 1:You're cooking, you're warming up. You're warming up right now.
Speaker 2:You got anything else to say? Coop, I'm just sitting back listening.
Speaker 3:You know I mean. I have always had plenty to say about him. The 6-16 is cold, like that's a cold, calculated move. So this is what I mean and the difference between that is the way that you can go. Reference that information is so immediate. You know what I mean. You can immediately put together oh Tupac, canadian Father's Day, corinthians 616 with the prostitution line, like oh no, you can ring this off. It's like this was the one, that's next level. What's next level is always understood but not easily digestible. You have to make it digestible. This is more digestible, it's a much better record and it even has somewhat of a hook structure and format, if you catch it, albeit brief.
Speaker 1:You're warming up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd like to move with that, but it's I'm a huge fan okay.
Speaker 3:So the coldest move on all of it might be that that's taylor swift's producer. Yes, yes, that's pretty much him saying. It's like yeah, how about this, since it's taylor made you know? I'm saying how about the person that does tailor stuff makes it.
Speaker 1:He has resources, you know what.
Speaker 3:There's some official, see. I feel like it gets petty, like when I hear raps and I can see a man open-hand slapping another man. The real disrespect, the type of shit Somebody used to slap the shit out of you in your face. You know, y'all had to fight to the death. Right, you're not just going to slap the shit out of me, it's not like you used to have to fight to the death. These were some open-faced slaps going on. You know what I'm saying? Absolutely. He was really on his who-run-it shit. That's the first time I really heard him like that. He seemed, hey, and wait for it. He actually seemed almost guess what a little pissed off, seemed a little pissed off and disrespected. I'm like, yes, it's okay to be pissed off and disrespected with your happy ass.
Speaker 1:Yeah he's a little perturbed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, a little perturbed.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying. But this was built from a place of angst, and I don't mean the battling part, I mean hip hop. It came from a place of angst, so it's like when you want to be too peaceful and too happy, that really doesn't fit in with the format under which it was designed. It can exist in that space, but in this part of the space, oh no, you need to kick all that creative. No, no, no. Do that on your album, fam.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I agree, and this was the real shot. This was the first time in this battle. I was seriously worried about Drake. How about that?
Speaker 1:I think this tag was Drake. I think this is the one that Drake probably got to take a look at this differently, honestly, because the tone I'm big on tone and you got an Al Green sample. Now this Al Green sample has been sampled about 14 to 15 times, I believe. Tina Marie did it, mike did it, you know what I'm saying. Capitana did it Brand new, he's been done for years, yeah, I mean it's been. Sam Talib did it. So this sample is one of my favorite samples. You guys know I'm an Al Green fan. That's why I love Ghostface so much, because he samples so much of Al Green with the Iron man joint. But the tone that he set with this sample, with the beat itself and his tone and his inflection of his voice, tells me that he heard something. He heard something. It could have been an AG, it could have been a cool, but he heard something about his voice and one of the things that really might have hurt my black ass and I hope he did both of you like on the next joint.
Speaker 1:I really hope he did. But the thing y'all remember, kanye did this actual same beat. It was 2003, 2004? He did the. It was the last freestyle beat and he killed it. When I first heard the beat come on, I had to go back and listen to that one more time. That was a joint where Kanye was just coming up and I played them back to back. I'm actually going to do probably a mixtape with both of them and a couple of more songs. Played them back to back. I'm actually going to do probably a mixtape with both of them and a couple of more songs. But when I went back and listened to that and I went back and listened to their original song, the Al Green song I said man, there's a message behind all of this. It's so exciting.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm sorry, we're not done yet. Drake's uncle played on that track. That's what I'm getting at. Played on that track. That's what I'm getting at. Open hand pimp slap. Open hand pimp slap. One of those pimp slaps that make you put your glasses on and be like yo. Did I see him open face? Slap this nigga. Did he open face? Slap him Cool. That's why I had to go back.
Speaker 1:I had to go back to the original song. It forced me to do that because I had to understand the inception of his thought process. It's all there. Open hand, slap, ag. Come on, talk to me, ag, you're quiet over there. Ag was vocal last night. He was vocal last night, I give it up for credit to you.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. I think Kendrick is a friend of the night. I give it up for credit.
Speaker 1:You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying I think Kendrick is a friend of the show, I think he watched our show last night and heard our critiques and, you know, made some changes, because I see those changes today. But, like Coop was saying, it won't be no concession speeches. You know everybody was trying to cook me in the comments last night for what my critiques were. But what I'll do is I'll say this Euphoria was just OK, right, people were over exaggerating the track Euphoria and acting like it was the knockout punch, which is a ether or a story added on or a back to back on that level, right. So if it was the knockout blow and Drake was on the mat, then it wouldn't be any need for Kendrick to spin the block. You know, a day or so later to drop another disc if it was a knockout blow.
Speaker 2:So, this just kind of proves, you know our point, to what me and Coop was saying. There's no reason to spin the block if you already got him laying on the mat, right, no, but with that said, it is when you kill, you kill completely.
Speaker 3:So here's the thing. All we were saying was that, well, if you're looking at the talent, if you're looking at the artist, if you're looking at the catalog, if you're looking at the artist, if you're looking at the catalog, if you're looking at the way that that person is revered in this space, that was just a good song. Right, like that's what I'm saying. If he is everything that I've said, he was from 2012 to 2017, and what people still say now, it's just a good record. And that's really all we were saying at the end of the day, and people were running around and acting like it was a great record. No, this is a great record.
Speaker 2:It wasn't by any means I was putting it on the same level as push-ups and after euphoria I'd never, like you said, coop, I never felt like drake was in trouble at that point right better than um, but after hearing this record, drake is in trouble.
Speaker 2:So I'm gonna just start off by saying like, like sean said, the tone is what really matters. He set that out the gate. His vocal tone didn't change, he was rapping in his regular voice and, um, I mean this. This is the guy that I was looking for on Euphoria. But to me he wasn't there right. But that guy showed up on 616 in LA. This is the same version of Kendrick that I wanted to see, battle feature J Cole, but feature J Cole bowed out of the race. But I think this version of Kendrick and that version of Cole would have been something to behold. But forget all that. We hear now.
Speaker 2:Him and Drake are going back and forth in creative ways. It's petty and, to be to be honest, before before today, this beef was really bizarre. With the AI inclusion, with um, the apologies and just things. With the apologies and just things bubbling under the radar, hearing from people that we didn't even care to hear from right, the beef was bizarre, but today was the first day I really felt like I'm locked in, like man. Hip-hop is in a good place with this battle and it's going to get taken even further, I do believe. But Coop touched on the different layers of the 616. I don't want to gloss over that. Like the Bible scripture from Corinthians 616, crazy. Like laying with a prostitute you'll become, you know, one flesh with her. You don't know. You know what I'm saying by push of tea. Drake's baby's mother was in the adult film industry. Also, you got the whole OJ thing, the OJ trial. You got Nicole Brown. Simpson's burial date was on 6-16. You also got Pac's birthday. You got the Canadian Father's Day, the gloves, the significance of the gloves yes, artwork matter.
Speaker 2:So so, yeah, the artwork was crazy because it's so many layers. Drake wanted the quintuple entendre. That's what he asked for and that's what he got. And you know I'm the whole colorism thing, you know, calling drake a white boy. But it's kind of funny and clever with this because he, if he's liking himself to OJ, you know he he looks at Drake like a white female. Then this is. You know, call it what it is.
Speaker 2:But the caveat with that is when it was posted in our discord and I saw the track, I saw the Maybach emblem on the gloves and I was like look, and I thought it was a Ross disc record. And then I clicked on it and I heard Kendrick going crazy and snapping. And then so that begs the question are they like in cahoots now, you know, with Ross and um and Kendrick? You know what I mean. Is a Kendrick getting information from Ross or what have you? I don't know. But the Maybach um emblem on the gloves was interesting and you know I don't know the significance of that, but it's just a lot of layers to it. Some of the bars that Kendrick said in this one landed better than the ones on Euphoria, like way better the way he's breaking down Drake's crew and saying, like yo, you got snitches in your crew, they could be working for me. He's breaking down like yo, your friends don't even really like you, like that you know, they just here for your money and they playing.
Speaker 3:He said they are working for me.
Speaker 2:He didn't speculate he's like no, no, he's like run you niggas and then just the way he's going, going through it, like breaking it down, like surgically, it was amazing. It was amazing rap, you know? And just what was the line? I don't have the lyrics in front of me. He said you know that Drake basically put money in the streets but they didn't come back with receipts.
Speaker 2:So basically he wasted his money. And then he was like I'm sorry, I live a boring life, I'm a peaceful man, but um what he said, like I'm ready for war if the world is ready to see him bleed right again.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if the world is ready to see you bleed again.
Speaker 2:That's crazy, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I'm like I only listened to the record like three or four times but yo, that's, that line is what stuck out to me. That's, that's crazy. This is the kendrick and, like I said, people are going to comment and say whatever, like oh, ag backpedaling, or whatever. It's not backpedaling because I still stand on what I said about euphoria. But what he did on this record is what I was looking for on euphoria. If it was a backpedal then I would be saying euphoria is dope, not saying that at all. But what I will say in hindsight is this Some people did have the wherewithal to say no, euphoria is a setup to something else. Kendrick knew his next move. It was telegraphed. He knew he was going to spin the block and do this. So as a setup move, like a punch that's setting up another punch, then I can accept Euphoria as that. But people were acting like Euphoria was the knockout.
Speaker 3:You know what? Actually, he told us on Euphoria when he made the I like back to back, I'm going to go back again. So he actually told us in the previous round that something else was actually coming, which is the part that all of us missed, like, better not nobody walk around today and act like that. They caught that line because none of us caught that.
Speaker 3:So that means he was operating on a certain level. And here's what it does Like, like today 616,. It reinforces euphoria more Because now, like you said, dion, you can go back and reference and be like, oh well, told me that was coming. And now this makes more sense as a setup record Because, think about it, he kind of did the same thing intro-wise that he did on the previous song, but he did it better. So there's something psychological to it, almost like saying no, euphoria is when I practice, this is when I play nigga Right.
Speaker 1:And yesterday, guys, I was saying, like you know, euphoria is a death by a thousand cuts. He's cutting like pricking them the whole time, setting them up for the next one, because we didn't know this was going to happen less than 24 hours. I don't think we predicted this was going to happen. We didn't predict this was going to happen afterwards.
Speaker 2:But here's the difference, Sean the stuff that we're hearing on this one that's rehashed information is so much more clever than it is on Euphoria that's what I'm saying. It's done way more cleverly than it was on there.
Speaker 1:This is a different checkpoint.
Speaker 3:Euphoria was one checkpoint. This is checkpoint number two. There's other checkpoints that I believe he's getting to, and I don't know if Drake is predicting that. I don't know if he knows where Kendrick is going with this. I think this song probably got Drake thinking a little bit different now. I really do. I really think that after Euphoria, I mean, did it make him put his diss on pause? I think I really think that after Euphoria, I mean, did it make him put his diss on Pauls?
Speaker 2:I think. But here's the thing. I think right now, a lot of people had Kendrick up after Euphoria. At that point I thought that it was fairly tied. I wasn't swayed one way or another. You know what I mean. It was fairly tight. I wasn't swayed one way or another. You know what I mean. If you looked at like that and euphoria and combination up against Taylor made freestyle and pushups, I had a pretty even. I wasn't leaning one way or another. But this record to me distinctively puts Kendrick ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:This one, this one, this one, this one right.
Speaker 1:Because one punch-waves, this one punch-waves, he in first place. This one punch-waves for you, right, right, because it's the tone. I told you, guys, I'm big on tone when I was with Ithaca. Ithaca came through the tone. He set the tone Disrespectful With the whole Tupac joint. Jay-z, he came out the gate setting the tone. Jay-z, he came out the gate setting the tone.
Speaker 2:He sounded appalled when he was on the record. Like you, what?
Speaker 1:What? Yeah, he set the tone. So that's what I'm saying. I feel like this is a checkpoint. Checkpoint number two. We're here now and to Kool's point. Drake probably didn't see this one coming False. He probably didn't think Kendrick had this in his possession.
Speaker 3:See, you never know when another man is walking up to you, if when he's opened his hand he's opened his hand to shake your hand or to slap the shit out of you. So Kendrick just kind of walked up and it seemed a little bit friendly, like a handshake. Then he raised his hand.
Speaker 1:He raised. Yeah, yeah, no doubt yeah.
Speaker 2:This is the one that had the tone Like yo, you really going to make me do this to you and I don't want to. You know, this is the one, let me. Let me ask you all this Most of the in recent times, we have two packs as far as like disses, that kind of end the battle. You know what I mean. With Pusha T, you know, beating Drake, he had Infrared, followed by Adidon. With Drake beating Meek Mill, he had the Charged Up, followed by Back to Back. It seems like this thing could go the distance probably about 12 rounds, because both of them are maybe going to keep going with this. So, as a three-pack, with like that Euphoria, and then now the 616 in LA. I, where do you think Kendrick goes from here? Do you think that he has to go for the knockout after whatever Drake responds with, or do they keep going to back and forth route?
Speaker 3:Well, hold on. I think we have a super chat and I think my answer is kind of to that. It's kind of in the super chat. Tracy G with the $5 super chat says is this still a rollout for K dot album? If it is, then he was clout chasing and started laughing or questioning, so I do not think that he's clout chasing, but I do think this is in preparation for his album, if it is.
Speaker 2:If it isn't so, what?
Speaker 3:every, everything's a rollout, you know I ain't mad at that, it's entertainment. Yeah, like people that have like see, now that's the thing. If you're going to take issue with him doing something like that, I don't know about all that, because this is entertainment and it finally got fucking entertaining. It's like this you know, when Usher album came out Right after that damn Super Bowl performance, because he had been preparing for the album, because he knew that he was performing at the Super Bowl, this is a business, that's what you're supposed to do. Kendrick is supposed to be making an album right now, and so part of this for me is about kind of parlaying into his album. Instead of a feature run, he's doing a diss series because he's been called out to the carpet.
Speaker 2:And I would be happy about that. I don't see no reason to complain about him rolling out for an album and making an album, because we don't have to wait five years again. If that's what he's doing now, if he's in album mode, it's already year number two, but still, that's fine. Year number two is fine.
Speaker 3:There's nothing wrong with that. I remember when I was finding year number two and then I was traumatized by the five-year hiatus.
Speaker 1:What about you, Sean?
Speaker 2:Do you think you got to go for the knockout next, or can this continue to go round for round?
Speaker 1:I'm torn. I'm torn because I think we got to see what happens with Drake at this point. If Kendrick comes out with another joint over the weekend before Drake comes out with anything which is possible at the rate that he's going, it could get nasty Nigga tonight. Yeah, If he drops tonight, nigga.
Speaker 3:Tonight nigga. Like that isn't good enough, but tonight.
Speaker 1:Right. If Kendrick continues to put the foot on the gas and I think he can do that, he's showing that he can do that Drake is going to be in trouble straight, drake what he drake.
Speaker 2:What he has to do is stay in his lane, right. He got to come up with witty, clever bars. He maybe got to hit below the belt, because there ain't no way in hell that he could be as cerebral as kendrick was with this, this like he can't tap into that like Kendrick did. So Drake has to fight his own fight, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with Anthony Perkins. Anthony Perkins said no, it's knockout time for both of them. I think we get into that dangerous space right now because it's one of those things where you got to feel like okay, Rick Ross, for example, I'm tired of seeing Rick Ross pop up on everything. He's trying to insert himself in some kind of pause, in some kind of way, and I hate it because he's still becoming a distraction.
Speaker 2:But you got the Maybach on the gloves though. What does that mean?
Speaker 3:Maybe that means he's just killing them in style. Those are definitely OJ gloves, though, because of the 616. That's the day that the trial started.
Speaker 2:It's OJ gloves, but with the Maybach music emblem.
Speaker 3:Is he saying that if the glove doesn't fit you must acquit Is?
Speaker 1:that what he's doing. Look man, when you got a writer like that.
Speaker 3:Kendrick Cochran Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Monty, this is what we were talking about before. This is what I said last night. This is what the high elevated rappers was talking about.
Speaker 3:They were saying yes this is what I was talking about. Where is this this?
Speaker 1:right, this is what we know he can do. We know Kendrick Correct. So when Euphoria came out, we was like I want more. I want a little bit more. He's showing us the trajectory. He's showing us the Kendrick that people always been talking about for all these years.
Speaker 3:Here's what I would tell you, though and let's just look at it full picture Team Lightskin from Canada had to diss you to get you to rap like this again. Nigga, you didn't just want to rap like this again. You didn't just want to rap like this again. Now you're challenging the niggas to duels. This is an open-hand face slap. Now you're challenging niggas to duels. My, my, my, how everything changed so fast.
Speaker 2:What was that line he said. What was that line? He said it was cold. He said every dog has his day. But um damn, what'd he say after that? Ah man, I haven't listened to the record since like early this morning, man, I don't even remember, but it was a cold line. It was a cold line. It was a cold line. A lot of boys out here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, this was yeah, I'm not saying he knocked Drake down, oh, but the nigga definitely on the ropes looking a little glossy-eyed right now.
Speaker 2:Oh no. He doubled over from this body shot. He's doubled over. Let me ask y'all this Does this sting more than what Pusha did? With what Infrared or added on?
Speaker 1:I'm just saying all of it Because I'm hear me out on this. I'm talking about Pusha Brand versus Kendrick Brand. Does this like weighs more at? This point, because Pusher was very methodical and surgical. He went straight to the, he went straight to the juggler, right.
Speaker 2:I think the difference is. I think the difference is Pusher's more scathing, but Kendrick is more cerebral. That's the difference.
Speaker 3:I think, see it's, it's different because for years Drake wouldn't come out and play with Pusha and so Pusha had always kind of been poking at him to come out and play, and so I don't think, I don't think it's as good as Infrared, I'm not sure it's on the level of Infrared.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's better, though you think it's better than infrared, because I think infrared as a song is better than story added on. A story added on just has the visual aids to come with the song, the beat and the bar scheme and the approach to infrared was better, no, no I'm not talking about like song for song.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about like the impact, because Because, although we really hit Drake in the face with that one pause, but Drake came back with Scorpion, he rebounded, felt like he just kind of shook it off If Kendrick continues to go down this trajectory, based off of Euphoria and this new joint that he has right now 6-16, based on the trajectory would this be the one, would this be the one, would this be the one that Drake cannot get up off the mat from? He survived, drake survived a lot of stuff. He survived for a long time.
Speaker 2:I don't think Drake is on the mat from this one. This is a hell of a diss.
Speaker 1:This might be a standing, a count you know, I think he's on the mat AJ, just based on the response. I think the responses is keeping him on the mat Straight up, not so much by itself. I'm talking about the responses.
Speaker 3:This battle is becoming about fundamentally what they do well. So in the ring, Kendrick is a point fighter and a tactician. You know what I mean? Yeah, he doesn't really make heavyweight blows, but what happens when the tactician shows that he has heavy weight power versus the heavy hitter? Because Drake's the heavy hitter in this and Kendrick's the tactician? Well, the tactician just threw some power punches, though you feel what I'm saying Like. So those tactics.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so those tactics are working right now. So just theoretically speaking, if we're keeping the analogy going, oh no, it's time for Drake to try to knock this nigga out, no doubt.
Speaker 1:Yo, we got two super chats. Real quick, guys, let's get this real quick. They're pretty good. $10 super chat from Tracy G we got to keep it a bean that. Then 5 am to Ronso. They need me more than they hate me. And everybody still need Drake Dope show. Guys Appreciate you. Tracy G. Peter Park says 616 in LA is a much better concentrated song. The trolling is heavy too. I like that word. Concentrated, I like that yeah.
Speaker 2:Perfect description Because, let's be real, like I said, I stand on the euphoria. Take Right, and I think this is more you know to that point, more concentrated is more potent Right. And to your, to your point, sean, about the impact of it. I think the impact of euphoria was overinflated, you know what I'm saying, but I think that that reaction to this record is more warranted. In my opinion and speaking of Euphoria, that's another layer too they said that the air date for Euphoria was June 16th as well, so I mean, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:But here's my favorite part.
Speaker 2:Here's my favorite part of the whole thing the version of Drake that we love, the rapping version of Drake, is timestamp Drake. He took dudes on MO and used it against them Like I'm going to create a timestamp joint killing you. That was the craziest part to me. No, he took his own swag and then used it against them, Flipped it like that. That's pretty damn clever and, like you know, I think.
Speaker 2:I think this one, this one's the one like, like Coop said, out of all the diss tracks we've gotten thus far, this is this is the best one. This is peak is the best one. This is peak, this is top tier.
Speaker 3:This is the first top tier record that's been made in these dishes.
Speaker 2:From either side, either side.
Speaker 3:And just off of that, he's in the lead. Just off the strength of that. Here's the thing about it and here's where you do have to be concerned. If you're Drake, if you were about to drop and then you heard this and this made you stop, that means what you came with wasn't hard enough to begin with.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But everything's all about timing too, so we don't know. Yeah, you know he might be surveying the chessboard and you know we'll see, Just intentionally, because here's the thing.
Speaker 3:If you know that you have the better record, like if you know we'll see, Just intentionally, because here's the thing. If you know that you have the better record, like if you know like, yeah, he did good, but I still ate him, wouldn't you still drop the record though?
Speaker 2:But, even push-ups the drop for push-ups was shaky. Remember that. That whole fiasco.
Speaker 1:That was shaky, it was, it was, but that's what I'm saying. There's so much going on.
Speaker 3:There's a lot this might be big in a rap, this might not even be, do you think? That push-ups got leaked like before drake was ready to. Oh yeah, absolutely, absolutely so that would.
Speaker 3:That would balance out the scales a little bit more, because that means that he might have been tactically planning some things the way kendrick was, and push-ups kind of forced him to to kind of like go lay low for a second and do what his original plan was, since somebody leaked it, that would also feed kendrick's point about how he got a snitch in his crew, though, yes, and that's why you got the glove.
Speaker 1:The glove, your right hand man chubbs, who kendrick is alluding to might be the corporate.
Speaker 3:I probably shouldn't have said that there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:You shouldn't say that. You say on air. It never stopped you before.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to have to agree with AG on that.
Speaker 2:Let's unpack something real quick and I hate to do this, but, you know, looking long, looking long term, because this thing is far from over. Where do you think that this will rank in the pantheon of rap battles as far as, like the titans clashing at the top? You know, we've had the jay-z and nas, like the biggie and pock. I wouldn't even consider it a battle because you, you know, frankly, the big responses wasn't there while Pac was alive, so, and we got other dope joints. But where do you think this will rank all time with the evidence that's been presented so far?
Speaker 3:So far. I don't even think that it's top five, but Drake's like how about this? There have been we're in the second, we're in the second pressure pack moment of this battle. The first one was Drake calling out Kendrick you know what I mean Coming out to play nigga, you know what I'm saying which put the pressure on Kendrick. Now Kendrick has come out to play and is telling Drake hey, I really ain't playing with you though, Right, right, and so that puts the pressure back on Drake. So how Drake responds in this matter right now, it means everything right now.
Speaker 1:Everything it does. It means everything right now, Like now.
Speaker 3:it's on the line a little bit. It's on the line a little bit right now, Like he can't come back without a record as good as the record we just heard, which means he's going to have to operate at a very high clip.
Speaker 2:And to that point, Coop, to that high clip, no gimmicks this time. I hated the AI on the last record. I get what he was trying to do, but I hated that approach. I mean it was kind of clever, but you know how I feel about that, Didn't?
Speaker 3:like that. Now, not to this level yet, and I always told people this and I yet, and I always told people this, and you know, I mean I hate to bring it up, but one of the main reasons that jay lost to naz is because he didn't take the situation as seriously as he should have. He really thought naz was cooked.
Speaker 1:He was he was arrogant. It was his arrogance.
Speaker 3:I got the best he was arrogant, it would be the arrogant one in this case what we're dealing with that's what I mean because it's like he probably like, because here's the thing, when he heard Euphoria and then he posted the meme and stuff, you know what I'm saying. That's what I mean about those are those arrogant moments where it's like, well, you're laughing, you're not touching me, like that's essentially what he was saying with that meme. He's like you're not fucking with me, kendrick's over there, like and Kendrick might be over there, like yeah, I was kind of expecting him to do that.
Speaker 2:Let me go slap this nigga in the face. Kendrick has a line on this record about his memes fading, like the effect of his memes fading. I'm paraphrasing. You can slide a couple bars in.
Speaker 3:You can slide a couple bars into a song that's already been recorded. I mean, Kendrick has been doing this professionally since he was pretty much a teenager damn near he's in his mid-30s now. It's like going to the studio and that's nothing to him.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Let me get a super chat, guys. I don't want no trouble, said Euphoria. I'm trying to read this thing all up. Euphoria was that I'm here, you call me out, I'm here. 616 was now. I'm here and I'm a dog. I'm a dog, walk you and show you. Don't play with me in my pen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what it is Good assessment Anthony.
Speaker 1:Perkins said thanks for the super chat as well. Fellas, how much time are we giving Drake Tonight? Two hours, yeah, tonight. After this show Drake Like when we get done Two hours Chill, I'm going to throw.
Speaker 2:Shout out to Tonight. Nah, bro. Shout out to Jarv. I see Jarv in the chat. Shout out to Rap Roundtable because I'm watching their show and he said something. That is true, the Tom Fox stuff don't even really matter at the end of the day, because when either one of them drop, we're going to tap in and we're going to listen to it. You know what I mean? So I mean we can say that he's on the clock but Not with these KKKs.
Speaker 3:Cannot trust these niggas. I'm telling you they are right now planning a Hotep victory parade for Kendrick, full of dashikis and beads and incense. They're doing it right now.
Speaker 2:But Drake has always been the fast-release guy where Kendrick hasn't been. I want Drake to take his time with this one.
Speaker 3:No, that's no, he cannot do that. That's where Kendrick is psychologically cooking him as well, like in battle, it goes back to the Sun Tzu thing in order to defeat your enemy, you must learn to think like your enemy. And so right now, kendrick is rapping like Kendrick, but he's thinking like Drake.
Speaker 1:Fair point let me get on Mad Max Drake's starting to think like Kendrick.
Speaker 3:That's not what. It's too late for that. You've already chosen your war path.
Speaker 2:No doubt, stick to the script. After the super chat. I gotta add something to that. Go ahead, sean.
Speaker 1:Mad Max said I like the record, but this MCU find out the next time on DVZ Raps, both of them doing a super corny drop. Your haymaker now subbing on this record about what you got in the tuck is weak. Mad Max said that since last night he want to see the haymakers. I think most of us want to see what it's really about. If these two people are. Mcs, we probably do want to see a bunch of uppercuts and headmakers instead of the pokes.
Speaker 2:That was wild.
Speaker 3:It needs to get disrespectful at this point. That's what nobody really wants to say. It needs to be disrespectful at this point. It's called a tipping point. That's what nobody really wants to say. It needs to be disrespectful at this point. That's the point we're at. It's called a tipping point. It's called a tipping point. We're at the tipping point. It's time to be disrespectful. You're not going to come and slap me in front of everybody and then come back and slap me again. No, you're not going to do that to me.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you something, Coop. Do you need to read that super? Go ahead and read that super. Chat, Sean All right.
Speaker 1:It's confirmed LP. Appreciate your LP. It's confirmed. It's confirmed K-Dot to be your first-person shooter and K-Dot declined. We thought it was K-Dot that didn't want the smoke. So what if it's Drake that didn't want the smoke and K-Dot really yeah.
Speaker 2:If I'm being honest, if Kendrick Cole is the one that keeps mentioning Kendrick, I would say it was probably Cole's idea to get him on there as well, because he's the peaceful guy.
Speaker 3:Let's, let's, let's, let's go ahead and put this out there. The reality of the matter is is behind doors that we don't step behind. These niggas probably been talking about shitty shit about each other for a minute and it's been probably going around and getting back to both camps for a while. Let's just keep it funky. Shit like this just don't pop up one day where it's like I don't like that nigga, no, no, no. There's usually a build up to I don't like a nigga, I don't fuck with a nigga, no more. You know what I mean, especially somebody you used to let open up shows for you and who you let on your debut album and all that stuff. It's like it gets to that point because there are things being said, probably by both of these men about each other behind the scenes. Right, that the other dude is like oh, he didn't, he didn't say that, did he? Like? How about this?
Speaker 3:I'll never forget when I met ja rule and I met him the week after sees and, uh, junior mafia had came in and sees it, put me on to the quiet storm, remix and like all all that. But he had some fucking shit to say about Ja Rule, like when he grabbed the Vinny Vettivici shit. He was like I don't really you know what I'm saying. He was like you know what I'm saying. So when Ja came in the next week with Bleak, ja and Bleak came in.
Speaker 3:When Ja came in, he was about to buy C shit and, just like you know what I mean, not even thinking, I was like don't do that. He didn't buy your shit. He was like what? He put a bunch of their shit back. You know what I'm saying. When shit like that happens behind the scenes, you got to understand. These people are artists, they are emotional about their shit, so they don't like no other nigga about them amongst a circle and probably like and it's probably being said in jest, you know what I'm saying, but too many times the stuff being said and just be like well, hold on, he really don't know me like that, to be running his mouth like that, right, and then and then the frame and the tension becomes different. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's right, yeah yeah, I also asked him like with that? You said that euphoria sounded like he was writing a bunch of different songs. Drake alluded to the first version of Push Ups, which I didn't really like as much as the official version that it was on the end that he said you've been had a diss track for four years. Go ahead and drop it whatever. Do you think any of this material is from? Whatever Kendrick already had in the stash already?
Speaker 3:As somebody that used to write rhymes with fervor, what you do oftentimes when you got dope shit stashed, you'll pull like, let's say, you like sometimes, as a writer, you'll just like write like a hundred, 200 bars you know what I'm saying and then you'll go back and you'll recite it and you'll do the shit and you'll be like nah, that ain't it. But I got about eight bars in here that I'm going to keep, and so I'm going to keep this paper, I'm going to keep this rhyme, I'm going to keep this recording because I got about eight bars in there, where it's like, out of those 200 bars I wrote nah, but them eight bars is hard, and sometimes they're not always together.
Speaker 3:Sometimes it'd be like three right here, two right there. And so does kendrick have the capability to do that and thinking right on that level? Oh, absolutely so. There is a chance of that, just because he is a writer's writer at heart. You know what I'm saying. And so he certainly has that capability to keep a bar or two in the stash, but I don't think a whole record. No, he might pull the best parts from that record too. You know what I'm saying. Just be like no, I'm gonna take those four bars and now we can put that away. I got because, because it fit perfectly with what I just wrote right here.
Speaker 3:You know I mean because your stream of consciousness when you're a writer and you're like into your craft, like the dots will connect for you through your words. You know what I'm saying. So it's like he probably may have written something four years ago, but it connects to something he just wrote now and he like let me go snatch those two bars right, quick, boom, be like oh shit, it do fit, like I thought, and keep going yeah, yeah, absolutely I want to.
Speaker 2:I want to ask you something, sean. Following that up, seeing where stuff transpired in this battle and where it's likely going in retrospect, do we look at cole like he made the right call, regardless of how we felt about it at the time?
Speaker 1:no, no, because cole is still still one of those. Imagine if cole was actually into this pause, like imagine cole was still part of this and being the code that we were hearing for the past couple years, by saying I'm gonna go at everybody, I'm the best out here, you know, I mean, it doesn't change anything what it does, it shows, like that big say separate the weak from the obsolete. That's all this did for me with Cole, respectfully and I'm a big J Cole fan, I think the world of J Cole as an artist, as a rapper, I can't stop respecting his decision, because hip-hop is this. This is what hip-hop really means.
Speaker 1:If you're saying that you're the best, if you're saying that you are the one, my pen is better than yours. I'm going to prove that. I'm not going to bow out after I've threw some shots out there. I'm going to keep it going because, like you said, this is the K-Dot that we wanted to see against someone like Cole. Right, we really didn't want to see this with Drake, we can say what we want to say, the only reason.
Speaker 2:Well, that's the real box office battle. If we're being honest, Right.
Speaker 1:The reason why we're saying that with Drake is because Drake, honestly, is a top dog. Let's keep it up. But he's not just the top dog of hip-hop, he's the top dog of just everything Pop hip-hop, all of that.
Speaker 3:I mean everything short of Taylor Swift and Beyonce. He's pretty much running, he's running it.
Speaker 1:He's doing it in a fashion that I think a lot of hip-hop purists they don't respect. And I get it Because what Drake is doing is something that Jay did in the late 90s, early 2000s, collaborating across boundaries. When Jay was doing the collaborations with Juvie and with Nelly and all of these other entities he was bringing on their fan base, he was gathering their fan base right, and Drake is doing that just an updated version of that.
Speaker 1:But what Drake is also doing now is he's also venturing into that commercial side, because not only is he messing with the smaller artists, paul, he's also messing with the bigger artists and everybody in between, so he's building like a network of different artists out there that he's working with Now. Granted, some are saying that that's a byproduct of what he signed to and it's like yo, you got to do this because Drake should not the money that Drake supposed to have, he shouldn't be doing all of these concerts. We're not going to go down that road. But what I'm saying is Kendrick this was supposed to be Kendrick and Cole going at it, because Drake is over here somewhere. He's not in that echelon with them. He's something else and we have to admit that.
Speaker 3:Okay, so what it is.
Speaker 2:is that?
Speaker 3:No, go ahead, AG. Wait, wait, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I was just going to say, to quote Rick Ross, I think for Cole it was deeper than rap, right, because, like you said, he just wanted to prove that his pen was the best. But this is getting to a point where Drake and Kendrick are going to attack each other's character. And I don't think that's in J Cole to do that.
Speaker 3:So that's fair and fine, but let me tell you what kind of happened, especially with this record. I didn't miss J Cole not being involved in this until today, because, as far as the pen is concerned, where J Cole has existed, where Kendrick existed before, on a level that I didn't feel like cole was quite there yet has a writer that kendrick was. No doubt he arrived that. He arrived as that writer when, quite frankly, when kendrick wasn't around, and then made a subpar project. So seeing that k kendrick is still capable of carrying that type of pen around, with this record right and the pen that Cole's been carrying around the last few years, today is the day where I'm like, oh no, damn it, now's the time for both of y'all to dance.
Speaker 2:We missed out.
Speaker 3:It's Kane and Rakim all over again. We're not going to get it.
Speaker 1:We're not going to get it Pause. Peter Park said thanks for the super chat. Peter, I think Cole is probably an instigator behind closed doors, playing both sides.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I think he's out of it.
Speaker 1:I think Cole is really just bowed out.
Speaker 3:And also, too, it could be coming from a place from Cole and I'm not I still don't like the move and nothing's ever going to make me like the move but it might have came from a place of him realizing hold up, these two niggas really don't like each other now, right, you're saying sport, you're not a sport, no more.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't know. Simple as that. Hold on.
Speaker 3:I thought we was going to battle to see who was the best on the corner Right. You niggas don't like each other. You.
Speaker 1:You're trying to erase each other. Oh, y'all don't like each other. Like each other.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, it's a situation you also have to understand. Cole's been building Dreamville the last few years, right, so he probably hasn't been reading some of these tea leaves, possibly. You know what I'm saying. So when he put himself back in position to be close to all of again he's probably thinking of it from the competitive's fervor standpoint he probably got deep enough in pause that he was like hold the fuck on, y'all really don't get down with each other. You want to know what Hold up? Wait, but the way he did it, that's not how you ghost out of it. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:Absolutely that's what I'm saying, even if you was going to let them dance, you I'm saying, absolutely, that's what I'm saying Even if you was going to let them dance, it's like you should have been like hey, this battle really ain't about me and y'all really don't know what it's about, but I'm going to let the people that really need to do the battle handle the situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would have been the way to handle it.
Speaker 2:We all came up in an era where slapboxing with your cousins, your homies, we all came up in an era where slap boxing with your cousins, your homies, your brother, that was a normal thing to do, right? Yeah, cole thought he was going to go in the backyard and slap box with Kendrick, when Kendrick and Drake are clearly throwing punches at each other, and I think he just, you know, read the writing on the wall. You know he thought he was going to slap box.
Speaker 1:But to that point hold on. Let me get this super chat real quick. Tracy G said real talk, cole killed Kenny on Pricey, that whole first verse and on Pi Didn't want Cole, pi is dope, pi is dope, but see that's the thing. We all feel that.
Speaker 2:I haven't listened to it since he apologized, though I haven't listened to anything since he apologized.
Speaker 3:I haven't listening to it since he apologized, though. I haven't listened to anything since he apologized.
Speaker 1:I haven't gotten over it, yet it's hard to listen to it. But here's the thing about Cole. Like y'all say, I kind of disagree because I think that I think Cole has always been semi-conscious as a rapper. You know, the guy may let Nas down, right. I think he self-reflects a lot in his music and I feel that he saw this thing taking a different turn, because you don't know what conversations that him and Drake had one-on-one.
Speaker 1:Drake probably said look this really ain't no rap thing. This guy's trying to take me off the board. I'm trying to take him off the board. The stakes are higher. Think about when Jay and Nas were going, and I hate to keep referencing Jay and Nas, so please pardon me for that.
Speaker 3:It's a good reference point.
Speaker 2:No that's the pinnacle we got to.
Speaker 3:It's the pinnacle. It's like when we talk boxing, we talk Ali Frazier but I understand.
Speaker 1:the truth is all in. He was saying that by letting people know that this is not right, the guy was really trying to take me out the game. He's trying to erase me because he wants to be numero uno.
Speaker 2:During that time.
Speaker 1:You know, we looking at it like yo Jay's was bugging, but it made sense in order for Nas, you know, in order for Jay to be the one Nas had to go. Jay doesn't want that, he just wanted to say I want to get my barbs off, I want to say what I want to say and we can all come back together and we will have an actual concert.
Speaker 3:Hold on, and that's my problem with what he did, sean, because he's ahead, he know that that shit don't work that way. Don't tell me that he doesn't know that it doesn't work that way. He know how this, he knows how it's supposed to play, you're right.
Speaker 1:But in his defense, think about the era of hip hop we're in. We're in the sing you song, love you, love you era. These guys will talk about each other one week and next week they'll pop up on stage at a concert. You know what I mean, like Ross right now. Ross is back in the pool right now, but I guarantee you mark my words today, a couple of months from now, ross is going to hop on the stage at Drake and they're going to be laughing and hugging it up after all, the smoke has settled, because Ross is going to need that money.
Speaker 3:Trust me, but that's what I mean and I've been saying this for years this generation, they all too happy together and singing kumbaya and shit, and that ain't it. That ain't it. It's like, no, it's like. I'll see you in the offseason fam, right, but Cole's mindset, I think his downfall.
Speaker 2:He comes off as insecure, as insecure like it seems like he's comfortable in his own skin by what he gives out, but by his content, if you really listen to him, I really think he's insecure and that was his downfall at the end of the day.
Speaker 3:I don't think it's that. I think he might be the opposite. He might be be a little too secure. You know what I'm saying? Like to make a move like that. You got to feel comfortable, like you're okay, like with what you've done and like your place and your placement. So it might be like he might be over secure, not insecure, in my opinion, because if he's insecure he would still feel the need to engage. If he was insecure about his place, like for me.
Speaker 3:My problem with it is that I'm not, I don't even. I think it's somewhere in the middle where, quite frankly, it's like, oh, it's like he's okay with third place, and that's the part of it that I really have a problem with. It's like, oh you, oh you, okay with the bronze medal.
Speaker 2:But he's the same one that complained about it and said the fans put that on him.
Speaker 3:Right, that's what I mean. So he might be in a place of acceptance because he has peace, that's fine, okay, yeah, that's a beautiful thing. And that's a beautiful thing that don't work in this draft.
Speaker 2:Remember when LeBron walked off his last game with the Cavs in the Cavs series and it was like that to me. Yeah, when he checked out of that game and you know he was done, it was like that for me.
Speaker 1:He checked out. Let me get this to the chat for Mad Max. Shout out to Mad Max Show all the love. If Drake was smart, he'd just say I'm a visitor in hip hop, but because of my position, I try to give back the best way I can by building up Black talents. It's a respect to the space. Because that's his position, that's a good point. That's a good point. Mad Max another super chat. That would negate most of what Doc saying that it's not just me cosplaying. I have a nerd love for the space and I'm not from here. So I give back as the top guy. It's my responsibility.
Speaker 3:That's a good point. Well, here's the thing, mad Max, he already does the givebacks. I mean, because here's the reality of the matter For the last 10, 15 years he's been giving niggas hooks and verses to help their shit move, not the other way around. Yeah, so his giveback he pulls up to rap battles. You get what I'm saying? No, his giveback has actually been pretty strong if you look at it in rap terms, because it's like, think about this when have you ever seen an artist as big as him on so many other people's records and albums? So he's already well aware of that. That's why he's on Ross album and on, and it'll be like, like you name it, future album.
Speaker 3:Oh, who need a hook? Thug need a hook. Okay, bet, we made it with soldier boy. He did a record with soldier boy. Like he don't like there is no, there is no limit to what his contribution back will be to the artists that are trying to make it, cause he understands a his position and B his environment has him where he comes from. You know what I mean. He knows that he's not from here, he knows that he's from Canada. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That's why the jay prince ties are so strong. Oh, you know he's not from here, like, but he know how this shit go. Can we? Can we address something? I don't know if it's the elephant in the room, but just thinking about it, drake can't win this battle like period, because the hip-hop heads don't accept him enough for him to actually win to admit that he got Kendrick up out of here. If he does have a diss, that's strong enough. And on Drake's side, the casual fans I don't think their voices will be loud enough to get him to be declared the actual winner.
Speaker 3:Okay, so how about this? Drake needs a back downke needs a back down. He needs a back down. 50s record back down. He needs a back down right now, like it doesn't have to be because back down is better.
Speaker 2:Circumstances different circumstances are different no, no, no, no.
Speaker 3:This is what I'm doing this.
Speaker 2:This is what sean said last night.
Speaker 3:That's why he needs to back down. That's what I'm saying. Like he needs to become the aggressor in this fight again and be the heavy hitter in this fight.
Speaker 3:So he, like I, don't know, I want him to do it his way, but I don't know if doing it his way is going to work in this battle and so, like he needs to be on his zero to 100 shit you know what I'm saying, right, like he needs to be on that. He needs to be like on his started from the bottom, like type of tip, like it needs to be. Like it needs to be like that. You know what I'm saying. But it needs to hit hard. Like I'm not saying because here's the thing to me is like I don't know if Back Down is a top 10 diss, but it's one of those diss. I think it's borderline and I feel like he needs something like that right now.
Speaker 2:It's like here's the thing with Back Down 50 got Jaws own fan base to turn on. Correct In this current climate with Kendrick's fan base, how they are, how rabid they are, and then Drake's fan base. Do you think you only win the battle if you can get the other fan base to admit like yo, he got us, he got us.
Speaker 3:Well, no, ag, because Kendrick fans are delusional. I told you yesterday they're still the Cowboys. They're making a great diss record. They're going to change the fact that he's the Cowboys. This is proof that they are the cowboys, because as soon as this record came out, it's over. It's like there they go, there, these niggas go again. It's over. They said it was over soon as the record dropped. The record was out for an hour. They were like this is over. Drake just needs to go home. It's like sure he does. You're the cowboys. You think you're supposed to win the championship every year?
Speaker 2:but usually, but usually, a battle is won when the other side concedes, basically, you know, because even back, when and take over, was that.
Speaker 3:It's when the people say, fam, you lost, let it go.
Speaker 1:I mean the people. Yeah, let me get this to a chat from mike williams real quick. Okay, um, mike, mike, we apologize, we didn't get to it last time, bro. Um, he said y'all never answered my question the other day. What's wrong with Kendrick having a layer slash lyrical disses? We all loved it when Royce and Lupe did it. We're going to answer that and answer Mad Max real quick. Mad Max said yeah, but I'm saying he should use that as a rebuttal to Dot that he's not the culture. He gave more to hip-hop than Dot.
Speaker 3:Which he has. In my opinion, he has.
Speaker 1:Coop, can you answer Mike's question? I think that's for you, Coop.
Speaker 3:Okay, what are your favorite diss records? No, vaseline, ether, takeover the Bitch and you Drop a Gem on them, for some people hit them up, even though I'm not a fan of hit them up. Uh, one of my personal favorite disses is like kicking the door. You know what I'm saying. He's talking shit about everybody, um, but those are all in your face. This is like most of our great disses are in your face. 10 percent. This by m, by MC Light, the disses when it's up front. It's our form of confrontation, right, more confrontational record. The only confrontational hip-hop diss that I don't care for is Hit Em Up. You know what I'm saying. Not saying that it's not a good record. I just don't think it's as great as everybody else says. It is Not to say that it's not a dope song, it's just not as great as everybody else says. It is not to say that it's not a dope song, it's just not as great as everybody makes it out to be for me.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying. Yeah, but the best, this is in your face. I was just talking about the kiss, the game freestyle with seagull the other day. It's like, no, like you just grabbed the mic and got at him and just, it was ferocious. You know what I'm saying? This is the uh, this is the. This is the carnal part of our culture that we enjoy. This is watching the gladiators fight in the Coliseum you know what I'm saying With the lions and the bulls around while they fight. That's what this portion of the program is, and there is a certain mentality and attitude and approach that needs to be adopted to succeed at the highest level. Because here's the reality of the matter. We enjoyed the Lupe and the Royce disses Are either one of those disses, top 10 or even top 20 disses, though we didn't even talk about it the bridge is over.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember anything from them to be honest I love Royce and Lupe as MCs. They're top-tier MCs, but I can't tell you a bar from either one of those disses I know that New. Yorkers got him up out of here, but I can't tell you a bar from the disc.
Speaker 3:Think about the bridge is over. Think about the bridge is over with KRS Roxanne. Shantae is only good for steady. You got to do all that. We got it. We understood.
Speaker 1:We understand that we got to do all that. Yeah, queens, sorry Queens, there go that Queens, you don't even.
Speaker 3:See, you don't even look at. See, that's what hold on. That's a great diss record. Think about.
Speaker 2:PTSD.
Speaker 3:Look, Sean, did you see the traumatic response Sean had to the bridges over being from Queens? That's the mark of a great, great diss record. You get what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying Like you're still offended.
Speaker 3:You're still offended. It literally happened when you were a kid. You were literally in grade school when it happened and you were, quite frankly, sir, you were a middle-aged man and you were still traumatized by the bridge is over. That's a top 10 diss.
Speaker 1:And you know that you proceeded with verse as if we're not friends. You proceeded to say the verse. Ag, can you answer Matt Mack's super chat?
Speaker 2:Refresh my memory, he sent a couple, one question in particular, my bad.
Speaker 1:He's saying that the rebuttal for Drake to Dot is that he did more for the culture than Dot has, which is true. He's done more for the culture really, than Dot has, if you really think about it Definitely as far as contributing work is concerned.
Speaker 2:But do you think Drake can really get that off in a disc and people agree with it?
Speaker 1:Yes and no, because to Kool's point about the back-down disc, I don't disagree with Kool, but I'm going to raise you one Again. I don't want to go back to Sun, but Drake has to come back with an Ether-esque not Ether but Ether-esque and what I mean by that he has to Sun Kendrick. The way that Nas was able to beat Jay at that time is that he was able to Sun Jay At that point. No one was in a position to Sun Jay but Nas, because everyone, all the peers, anyone behind Jay, they weren't in that position to say you're my son. I did this first. Nas is the only he was the only rapper at that time that could say you're not even on my level.
Speaker 1:You talking about me is crazy. I'm the first, I'm the chosen one, I'm the one that they selected. They never selected you. You was rhyming like the Fushnikins. You know what I mean. Before you made a hit with Ain't no Nigga. You know what I'm saying. He was the only one that could do that and he did that in a form of ether. But he also doubled down on it and put a nice button on it in Last Alive, right, that's where Drake has to go. Drake has to go into that ether balance, to that Last Real Alive state.
Speaker 2:No, i'ma go, I'ma say Last Real Nigga Alive, like just straight that, not ether, just Last Real Nigga Alive period, because Drake doesn't get into a storytelling bag. But if he were to outline how he helped Kendrick's career and ushered Kendrick into this game in a storytelling format, I think that could potentially be the one and he's in the position where he could do that. But I think that's more viable than the ether approach. Just to piggyback off what you said, sean.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, because last alive was the one that said this is it Like? This is my last dig at you, paul, to let you know you're still my son and he broke it down piece by piece. He was saying it was me and Big and Ray, you weren't part of that equation, you would never. You forced your way into this. We never gave you that, we didn't hand it to you. You forced your way into this.
Speaker 3:Call it a sneak attack to be specific, call it a sneak attack, to be specific Yo cool, he said Jigga started to flow like us.
Speaker 1:But he ain't knowing he's telling a story. Drake has to go into that realm. I don't know if Drake can tap into that because again, I don't want to compare him to Sun, I can't, no one can compare to that. But Drake will have to tap into that area to say, okay, Kendrick, I got it. You came at me hard. Pause, Because think about it, Takeover was a skate thing. Takeover, we thought in real time.
Speaker 2:Takeover was a rap Takeover was a perfect diss record.
Speaker 1:It was a perfect diss record. It was a perfect diss record. You went at Prodigy and you went at Nas Perfect diss record.
Speaker 2:So we thought it was a rap.
Speaker 1:But then you got someone who's more methodical, who's tearing you apart piece by piece. Drake has to go that route because, when you think about it, but ether, ether is the chemical that breaks down cocaine. What Jay-Z was the cocaine rapper? I'm breaking you down in murals, step by step, every verse. I'm building up and building up and breaking you down. Drake has to go that level. He has to go into that space and say you know what I'm going to break down? Everything Kendrick is about. Everything that Kendrick put himself in in the position of hip-hop, no matter how it looks. I'm going to break it down piece by piece and put a button on it. Can he do it?
Speaker 2:I don't know, we don't know I'm going to throw another curveball out there with this. I was talking about the Blueprint 2 disc last night, but Jay's approach on that was basically trying to break down Nas's. You know, this is the guy you think is holier than thou, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Can't you see that he's?
Speaker 3:taped Right the TD Jake's prophesizing on your CDs and tapes.
Speaker 2:Ooh Right, but this will prove it. This will prove both of my points. The bars were there but I hated the Austin Powers goofy hook with the voice. That's why I didn't like Euphoria, because of the voice stuff. But the stuff Jay was saying on there, those punches landed but it didn't matter because ether had already happened. But if Drake could take that same approach, if he could combine Last Real and Alive with Blueprint 2 and kind of attack Kendrick's persona as this holier-than-thou figure, I think that's the equation that he needs to win.
Speaker 1:Yep Ill Magic said Kendrick brought back that 2015-16 Congo. Kenny, on his song LP, said is he doing it for the culture or his own self Preservation? He's been known to ride trends. How many black features this is one of K Angle's Mad Max said LP. I seen Drake put on people nobody heard of. Yes, he gets self-preservation from it, but he has to give back because of love of hip hop and as the foreigners who not of here, I want to show my respect for us. No doubt, no doubt, no doubt. Cool when we go from here.
Speaker 3:Huh, where do we go from here? I was just about to ask you, I was about to say, gentlemen, what is next, exactly? I? Mean like how about this? I'm about to go upstairs. I'm about to go upstairs, I'm about to season this food. I'm going to throw some food on the grill. By the time I get done grilling, there better be a song out. The sun will be down.
Speaker 2:I just don't want any gimmicks. I just don't want any gimmicks. I want Drake to rap, rap Like 5 am in Toronto, Drake. I want Drake to rap, rap.
Speaker 3:No, that's what I mean 0 to 100. 5 am, 7 am in Charlotte Like no, no, no, that guy needs to show up, but he needs to craft out a well-thought-of diss record to beat the thoughtful guy.
Speaker 2:And he needs Boy Wonder. He needs 40 to put the beat underwater. On the second half he needs a beat switch Like we need all that, like 100%.
Speaker 3:He needs to get in his bag. He needs to get in his bag. We need to get in his bag.
Speaker 1:You need to get in his bag. We need a sigh. We need that sigh in the beginning, absolutely, absolutely. And he needs to go in Pause and Rick Ross needs to shut up. Rick Ross needs to sit down and I'm like, I'm sick and tired of Rick Ross. Man, y'all don't understand. I'm sick and tired of Rick Ross.
Speaker 3:I ain't even checked for Rick. Rick ain't part of this. No more Do it.
Speaker 2:Hold on To that point. Is anybody cutting Drake any slack? Well, I don't want to say cutting him some slack, because he has the focus on so many different fronts where Kendrick can just focus on him. Because Drake has had to go up against Future Metro Rick Ross Weekend. He addressed everybody At this point. He just got to address Kendrick at this point when heavy is the head?
Speaker 3:my G, Heavy is the head. Okay, you're right.
Speaker 1:What Jay said to end.
Speaker 3:For all you other throwing shots at Jigga, you want to get half a ball, and that was one of the best parts of the song too, because he cut everybody else down the side. He's like I'm only concerned about those two guys, not really worried about the rest of you at all.
Speaker 1:And can I add something?
Speaker 2:can I add something real quick? This is just to your point, sean, where tone matters. By the time the blueprint came around, jay's rapping tone was a higher octave at this point than it was earlier on in his career. On Takeover, that guy sounds like he did on Volume 1, where I'm From. Like Coop said he put on his grown man voice to this prodigy and Nas. That was my point about Euphoria.
Speaker 3:He didn't know that. And about Euphoria he didn't know that. And all that shit. He cut that out.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:He meant business. This is a quick nod to our Posse Cut thing last night that we was doing. When he said Jigga used to.
Speaker 1:Posse Cut thing is crazy.
Speaker 2:Pause Anyway, but the we was doing when he said jigger used to um I think it's crazy pause anyway, but the um when we was talking about the uh crew love tracks, right, yeah, when you said jigger used to flow like us, but here we ain't. No, you know what I mean. When I was listening to the graveyard just to get my list together the graveyard came out in 95 and it 95 and I hadn't heard that song in a while and it's such a stark contrast in that version of Jay.
Speaker 3:In my lifetime, volume one yeah man, that's 95 too, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 2:It's like a shot to your system.
Speaker 3:Yeah, nobody switched their style in such a short time. No, he sounded different. Literally like like he sounded different, literally literally one summer he sounded like that. The next summer he sounded like maybe one, maybe one maybe one no wayne went through a process.
Speaker 3:500 degrees was kind of a process. The carter one was like like the main part of the process and then the guy that popped up on the carter 2 started running like jay, literally sounded like that and by the very next summer he sounded like one of the best MCs we had ever heard. Nobody ever jumped like that. He said it on Hard Knock Life and as far as progress, you'll be hard-pressed to find another rapper.
Speaker 1:He's the best chameleon in hip-hop ever.
Speaker 3:Well, he took the biggest jump an MC ever took. That jump that he took from In my Lifetime in the Graveyard to Reasonable Doubt. Yeah, that ain't like a foot or two, that's like a whole fucking wall.
Speaker 1:A whole wall. Mad Max said oh, and this thing? That Drake don't speak on Black topics. Drake hasn't spoken on Palestine and Israel, so he clearly stays out of politics completely. Lp asks Sean, you was texting, you was getting a text that he pump fake, pump, fake from my understanding. I don't want to give too much away right now. Lp, respectfully, but he wasn't pump faking. That was supposed to drop last night but something else came up.
Speaker 2:Lowe had to dip out. You know what I'm saying. So evidently something was on the horizon.
Speaker 1:It was coming Pause. But, like I said, there's a lot to peel back from there and we'll share that at the right time, respectfully, All right, fellas, I think that's a wrap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, unless the fans got anything for us, I think we're gonna get up out of here. I mean, I'm excited for the first time, word fact, dope ass record like see, and I still look at it from an artist standpoint. This isn't just a great diss, this is the best record he's done in a long time, in my opinion. Do you understand?
Speaker 2:me Ten out of ten.
Speaker 3:This is a ten. This is a ten record. He hasn't done a record this good in a long time.
Speaker 1:No doubt.
Speaker 3:Okay, now and this is what I mean Drake needs to come back, because here, where he needs to put the pressure on and make something equally great and probably greater, be like the chair, can you do it again, though? That's the, that's the pressure that he needs to apply back to kendrick. It's like now you've taken your steps, now we're on the board playing this chess game together. What your moves really look like. Still, though because it's like this is what I'm saying kendrick is great enough, and this has been my complaint. Oh no, you're good enough that you can dig deep and give us a 10 out of 10. Look at what he just did.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's capable. I think this has got the makings to be a seven-game series, you know yeah.
Speaker 3:But it's also like this too. It's like did you watch LeBron, kd and Steph in the fourth quarter of a lot of games this season? Those would be the types of games that five, six, seven years ago they would just go, take the game and finish the game off. If you'll notice, in these playoffs they didn't have the win in the fourth quarter to take those games over. Their numbers were there, but they got most of those numbers in the first three quarters. Drake needs to apply pressure back to Kendrick. It's like okay, kevin Durant quarters. And so drake needs to apply pressure back to kendrick. It's like, okay, like kevin durant can still go give you a 45.15 rebound game. Lebron can go get you a 38.15 assist, 12 rebound, triple double. Steph can go 9 of 15 from 3 and score 50 points. Like they can all still do that, but they can't do that as often as they used to. And that's's where Drake needs to apply pressure back to Kendrick. It's like oh, but can you do records like this, like you used to, consistently?
Speaker 1:Who has the stamina? Pause? Who has the stamina to go for the long haul? And that's a great point, pooh, I know we get to hop off, and that's a damn good point, because that's a hell of a point. I think Cole saw that and was like yo, I don't have the energy, I don't have the stamina to go this long with this, because this could drag out, this could drag out. We may not see the end of this until who knows when.
Speaker 2:We haven't seen the stamina game since the locks, since D-Block and State Prop was going at it. On the mixtapes Right and Ges Right. And G yes, because it was multiple record upon record upon record. So, yes, we haven't seen that in quite some time.
Speaker 1:It's an investment. It's a long investment and these two guys got money. They have money, they have resources. Can they allot their times to go back and forth? Back then those guys were hungry, they weren't making the money that artists are making today. So they had the time to go into the studio, drop an entire mixtape full of disc records. I missed them because we had this record's mixtapes 15 to the whole thing. The whole thing was a diss record from different angles Paul's and now these guys. They got money. Now you get money, you get lazy. You get resources. You get lazy. So you're doing things on your time because this takes up a lot of time Going back and forth. It takes up a lot of time. So who's going to bow out first? Who's going to say you know what, I ain't got time for this, I gotta get back to the money and Bow Wow and Rick Ross out of this. Rick Ross sent your back on Rick Yo.
Speaker 2:I got one more question for y'all before we head out Quick yes or no, or you know answer. If you're Drake Coop Sean, do you drop one record or do you drop a pack going at Kendrick?
Speaker 3:I'm dropping a pizzack, I'm dropping everything. I mean me personally, I would Friday, saturday, sunday, the nigga, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Friday, saturday, sunday, I would go Scary Hours 4. Just drop a whole four pack.
Speaker 1:All this is Yo, I'm dropping everything Back to back, back to back. I'm going triple. Yeah, I'm going triple. Yeah, I'm going triple. I'm going triple. You're going back to triple.
Speaker 3:Because here's the psychological thing he's doing. He's literally doing to Drake right now what Drake did to Meek. That's the psychological part, exactly yeah. Three days apart Look, three days apart. Just like Drake did Right, and so I would up the ante one more and be like well, one, two, three, nigga, what now?
Speaker 1:Yeah, triple threat. But then again, the meat that we see today versus the meat that yo, this is looking kind of weird, because meat now is goofy, yeah, so it dilutes it. It dilutes it at this point. He's goofy and Rick Fox is also goofy. He needs to stop. So I think that it's important to get that out there as well. So, yo, thank you all for hopping on tonight for this impromptu. Please like and subscribe. Tell a friend to tell a friend. Thank you all for the super chats we definitely was able to get to all of you tonight. Hey, if Drake drops tonight, you're going to see us again Tomorrow and Rick Ross sit down and we out of here. I can't stand Rick Ross Right now, man you seem a little disturbed.
Speaker 3:You don't got a picture With Rick Ross.
Speaker 2:I don't.
Speaker 3:Hold on.