Who's the king of the rap game? That's the burning question at the heart of our latest Hip Hop Talks episode as we throw down on the ongoing lyrical warfare between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Your hosts Coop, AG, along with the stylishly late Shawn, dissect the mastery behind diss tracks like "The Heart Part 6," and debate the heavy-hitters of the hip-hop battleground. Amidst the fiery discourse, we celebrate milestones and shout out our loyal listener base for their unwavering support.
This isn't your average music chat; it's a deep dive into the DNA of hip-hop culture. We're talking the craft, the strategy, and the legacy, wrestling with the question of what makes a battle legendary. Join us as we scrutinize the roles of media, fans, and the artists themselves in shaping the narrative, taking cues from iconic feuds like Jay-Z vs. Nas. Our conversation takes unexpected turns, from acknowledging biases to ranking diss tracks and albums, all while engaging with our listeners' opinions in real time.
But wait, there's more than just Drake and Kendrick. We examine the industry's generational shifts, both in hip-hop and the NBA. We share our hype for Ghostface Killah's upcoming project and debate whether heavy collaborations might dilute his signature style. And as we look ahead, we tease what's next for the hip-hop scene, from big-name releases to the evolving landscape of the music itself. Strap in for an episode that's as layered as the beats we break down.
Who's the king of the rap game? That's the burning question at the heart of our latest Hip Hop Talks episode as we throw down on the ongoing lyrical warfare between Drake and Kendrick Lamar. Your hosts Coop, AG, along with the stylishly late Shawn, dissect the mastery behind diss tracks like "The Heart Part 6," and debate the heavy-hitters of the hip-hop battleground. Amidst the fiery discourse, we celebrate milestones and shout out our loyal listener base for their unwavering support.
This isn't your average music chat; it's a deep dive into the DNA of hip-hop culture. We're talking the craft, the strategy, and the legacy, wrestling with the question of what makes a battle legendary. Join us as we scrutinize the roles of media, fans, and the artists themselves in shaping the narrative, taking cues from iconic feuds like Jay-Z vs. Nas. Our conversation takes unexpected turns, from acknowledging biases to ranking diss tracks and albums, all while engaging with our listeners' opinions in real time.
But wait, there's more than just Drake and Kendrick. We examine the industry's generational shifts, both in hip-hop and the NBA. We share our hype for Ghostface Killah's upcoming project and debate whether heavy collaborations might dilute his signature style. And as we look ahead, we tease what's next for the hip-hop scene, from big-name releases to the evolving landscape of the music itself. Strap in for an episode that's as layered as the beats we break down.
welcome to hip hop talks podcast. I'm one of your hosts, adriel. Some of you might know me as ag. I got the homie coop with me. What up coop? What up fam? How are you doing? Great man doing great, you know. Thanks for everybody for coming on. Shout out to the live chat. Some of you might notice that we don't have the homie Sean on the live today and the fans deserve to know, to know the truth. You know, um, he's been kicked out of the group, quite frankly, you know, because me and Coop. He's not like us, so Sean will no longer be part of hip-hop talks on this show moving forward. You got anything to add to that, coop?
Speaker 2:no, I am not going along with that. I am not going along with that. You talking about something behind the scenes. Some go along with it.
Speaker 1:No, sean will be here in about 30 minutes, y'all yeah, man, sean will pull up, you know, when uh time allows. But uh, welcome everybody to. No, I had to pay Sean back for that, for what he did a couple episodes ago, for real.
Speaker 2:Sean's doing something every episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, he's wild, but he's still not like us. He's still not like us for real. But, yeah, thanks for everybody for pulling up in the chat for pulling up in the chat and you know, before we get into business, we got to take care of some business. You know, if you haven't yet, if you're new here, hit that subscribe button, you know, and hit a like on the video. We much appreciate it. We want to thank all the fans for getting us to over 4,000 likes on our previous video. That we did, and we want our subscribers to match what our views look like. Right now we're a little over 1 000 and subs, but last video got over 4k views. So if you haven't yet, please hit that subscribe button and hit that like button too while you're at it. Cool what you got going on bro well said, ag.
Speaker 2:You know I mean nothing new man. Just you know black dad gang over. You know Black Dad gang over here. You know what I mean. I walked the dogs today. I fed the dogs, Took my daughter around. Oh, happy first birthday to my nephew Atlas up in Nashville.
Speaker 1:Birthday yeah.
Speaker 2:Atlas turned one today. Shout out to the homie he's gonna be a lady killer. This fool got hazel eyes and, like Sandy Brown, hair. My family be creating all types of shapes and sizes of Negroes. We are the hit factory. We are the hit factory. Everybody look good, just in a different kind of way. None of us really look alike, but we all kind of look the same, but we all look good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what's up. We got our first super chat in the building by nobody. Thanks for the money. The $2 Super Chat. The Heart Part 6, fire Emojis we're going to get to that. The Heart Part 6 is a fire song. We're definitely going to get to that. So, coop, you want to get into the business of things. Since we got that segue into the Heart Part 6, what are your thoughts on that song that dropped?
Speaker 2:Listen to what I'm about to say. As far as this songs are concerned, in this battle, what an actual diss is traditionally supposed to be? Well, this is the best diss, because a lot of what you have to do in a great diss is refute the things that are being said about you in the other diss records. That's true, and so he is not only taking shots, but he's also answering questions for the shots taken at him. The beat is really, really dope Fire. The cover is as petty as it gets.
Speaker 1:Break the cover down for us Coop, for the people that might have been over their heads a little bit.
Speaker 2:I mean the cover is real, real simple. It's Dave Free who's being mentioned frequently, and not in the brightest light necessarily, on these records, liking and putting a heart emoji in the little heart hand thing that everybody seems to do now it really irritates me personally. Um, but yeah, there's a black heart and then the little hand heart emoji, uh, under a picture, I believe, where she's holding, uh, uh, her son. So yeah, that's the cover. So the petty level is, uh, the petty level is in effect with it. That's the cover, so the petty level is the petty levels in effect with it. But it's the best actual diss record now. Not like us is still the best song. So I don't want people to get confused what I'm saying Like, heart Part Six is the best diss. Not like us is the best song.
Speaker 1:For sure, and we're going to get into that song here in a little bit. But let's go back to the night that the Hard Part 6 dropped right Because we had just did a show prior to that and a lot of the things we said in that show ended up coming to fruition, didn't it? Coop?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean, almost everything we talked about is what got discussed during that record, because we were sitting wondering to ourselves why he ain't like, you know, there there were some available points on the board to be taken by drink and we were wondering why he didn't take the available points. And so the heart, part six, takes the available points. And it's another jab, because not only do you have the cover, you have the title of a song. Like the same way he took six, the 616. It's like oh well, you know you want to take my series and I'm gonna take yours back right and I think that's a point I think I tweeted out about that.
Speaker 1:I think that's a point that people are overlooking, because on the last show, sean said he wants a timestamp record from drake and I was like, nah, we can't do that. He can't do that because, you know, um, kendrick had already took that and you know it would just look kind of weird if he came out with a time stamp song this and this and Kendrick at this time. So on the flip side of that, when Drake came with the heart part six, it got me to thinking deeply, because before every record, kendrick that's his trademark to drop a heart record. So will we ever get a heart part six from kendrick now, after this?
Speaker 2:well, this is some of what he was alluding to actually in the record when he says because I wrote some of this down, because I want people to understand that if kendrick would have written and this is what I meant about keeping it fair if kendrick would have written some of these bars ag like people would have written and this is what I meant about keeping it fair If Kendrick would have written some of these bars AG like people would be ranting and raving and going berserk right now. Yeah, like, if Kendrick wrote some of the stuff that Drake wrote in the heart part six, they would be having a fit right now. For sure, where is the address? Hold on, because I had that written down somewhere.
Speaker 1:While you're looking for that, I want to shout out L Boogs with the $20 super chat. Just showing love, yo, we appreciate it. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:Boogs, I appreciate. You Love babe.
Speaker 1:Somebody in chat said he didn't get mother I sober wrong. That was on purpose. Yeah, I agree. I agree, there's a lot of lies told on both sides in the uh in the battle. I don't think he misunderstood what kendra said in the song. I think he put it that way on purpose for the framework of what he was trying to convey in those bars see, here's what he said.
Speaker 2:He said album coming soon. No wonder you turned into a clout chaser instead of doing the hard labor. So he's pretty much saying oh, this is only going on on your side because your last shit was a dud and you need to get yourself popping again. And drake's the best way to get it popping, because where Drake goes, views tend to follow. The hard part six is over 15 million 16 million views in three days.
Speaker 1:What do you have to say about the fact that it got more dislikes than likes on that video? I think he hit about a million dislikes. Is that showing the bias that's being portrayed in this battle?
Speaker 2:I mean, think about it like this and really really think about it like this. These are really Kendrick's best records that he's done in seven years. That's what I keep on trying to say is like well, at the end of the day, it's good for hip hop because this is some of Drake's best stuff in years. This is some of Kendrick's best stuff in years. That's what's exciting. That's what you want to go for. You know what I'm saying. Like, like, like. That's what it's really about.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, the challenge on both sides Is reflecting. I know Not Like Us got 30 million OJ, but it also has been a little bit longer. Part 6 has 16 million in three days, so I'm pretty certain it's going to get the 30 million, just like Not Like Us did. It's already more than halfway there, with way less time. This is kind of what we wanted, like. What you really want out of a quality rap battle is for the songs to be great, absolutely, and I don't know how to classify these songs in terms of like, qualifying their greatness, but I do know for the run, or lack thereof, both of these artists have been on the last few years some of the best stuff they've both done in years and I think that's the real story at the end of the day. But the heart, part six, is more of your traditional disc record. Like when he says I'm a war general season in preparation. My jacket is carved, the medals, honor and decoration.
Speaker 1:Like that's's battle talk.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he was getting on there, yeah.
Speaker 1:But I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute, coop, because I like what you said at the top of the show about. In a real diss record you rebut everything that was said about you usually and address those things. What would you say to the contingent of people that are saying that he was too defensive on the record and wasn't on the offense enough, dissing Kendrick Like he was copping pleas for his accusations, because last time I heard everybody was saying that he needed to address all these things, so he did.
Speaker 2:So this is where it's like well, how do you want it? So, do you want him to not address it and to spend more time, uh, attacking Kendrick, or do you want to spend, you know? Like, like, you got to find your balance in it, Cause it's like if the public is asking for answers, we have to give them the answers. And now they're saying, oh, you gave us too too many answers. It's like how, when you ask so many questions, right?
Speaker 1:You know I want to be spun in different ways, because if he doesn't address it, then it's hanging over his head and everybody's going to say you didn't address that.
Speaker 2:Well, here's what I like. I like the fact that the strike a chord, a minor line, has been the best line of this battle so far. Is that fair?
Speaker 1:The Metro line was pretty hard. I like the Metro line.
Speaker 2:Okay, the Metro line was pretty hard. I like the Metro line, that's fine, but here's what I mean about this is the best diss. He took the best line that Kendrick has spit out and he flipped it. You mentioned A minor, but nigga's got to be sharp. He's deflating some of the bar. I was about to say really, what up, jarv. For me, officially the hardest bars that have been spit in this battle are the last two bars of the hard part six. Am I wrong when he says you can hit me when you need a favor and when I say hit you back. It's a lot safer If Kendrick said that that people would be like done the done, done and all that and all that stuff.
Speaker 1:You know that was said on Kendrick side of things hasn't been addressed. But you know I can't fault him for that because the fans themselves are not holding his feet to the fire to have to respond. Drake was pressured into responding by the fans themselves are not holding his feet to the fire to have to respond. Drake was pressured into responding by the fans. Kendrick is just dropping records and going on about his business and not addressing what was said. But neither is day free, neither is whitney. Nobody is saying or confirming anything but for drake. He's the one that had to clear his name and come up with receipts from these young ladies as well, as you know, on the record. And when he did it on the record, then people thought it was, you know, waving the white flag, conceding what have you or you know, just being too much on the defensive. So, and I'll just be honest, the main person who was so what you're saying is it don't matter what he do.
Speaker 2:That's really essentially what you're saying. It doesn't matter what Drake does. People have already decided that this is Kendrick's right. We're not going to look objectively at the music. We're not going to really line the songs up. We're really not going to break down the bars. We're really not going to do any fact checking. We're really not going to do any dissection. We're just going to say, hey, Kendrick got it, Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Do you think that he conceded with the speech at the end of the song?
Speaker 2:I mean, he's pretty much saying do something other than what you're doing to keep me invested. So, essentially what he's saying is the only thing that you really had were these trumped up pedophile allegations. Now that I've addressed those, unless you got something for me, we really got nothing else here, do we? Until you're going to show me your receipts? That's essentially what he's saying. So he's not stepping out of the battle. He's requesting receipts because he's like here go my receipts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's how I took it. I could see because we said before on the show that tone matters. What he's saying to me is pretty clear. I don't think it was any concession speech by what he's saying. You know holler back at me when we talk about facts, but in his tone I will admit that he sounded kind of over making these records hold.
Speaker 2:On one second we got CJ the kid with a $20 super chat. It says bless you guys. As usual, bless you too, cj. Peace bro. I have another speech to do on a topic, though. I don't like how the media is treating dot verse Drake like big verse Pac because of the shooting at Drake's house and vandalizing his stores. Yeah, we're gonna get to that briefly for a second. I know AG and I have talked behind the scenes about that CJ and, quite frankly, one of the things that was exciting about this beef for all of us is that we figured in the characters that we have Kendrick, who, quote-unquote, is a lot of people's savior as far as this rap shit is concerned, and Drake, who is our biggest pop slash hip hop star. Well, we weren't expecting any violence and so whoever's perpetuating that part of the battle, you know, I'd like to tell you to go to hell, because you're ruining it from all of us. I ain't got no diss record in three days yeah, it's you.
Speaker 1:You know, nobody wants it to come to that and we have to be responsible as a platform on you know talking about certain things because you know it hasn't came out who the shooter was or what it was about. But we don't want to fan any unnecessary flames over here. So you know we'll be limited in what we say about that.
Speaker 2:My prayers are that it's just some random fool you know what I'm saying who really like you know, music really affects people. Ag it does, like there are really people out here who take this shit seriously. There are people out here that really are down to die about it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and you know, and we talk about the fans and you know how much they ride for their favorite artists. I just want to touch on that, um, real quick, just because you know some people say I've seen the stuff online like what where drake, you know set up the shooting himself, like I mean, a man is laid up in the hospital shot like I don't don't know. You know what type of time fans be on and think what people would do to Chase Clout. But I mean, just try to be a little bit more respectful. And even with the young ladies who were, you know, accused of being, you know, groomed at an early age or you know he engaged in predatory behavior with them, they all came out and said that that's not true, right? I don't think it's fair to them for you to keep pushing it, acting like you want it to be true, because these young ladies are real people. You know what I'm saying. So why would you want somebody to be a victim?
Speaker 3:And the same.
Speaker 1:I was going to say the same thing on Kendrick's side. Nobody wants Drake to be right, Kendrick really putting his hands on his wife. Nobody wants all these salacious things to be right because of the people involved. At the end of the day, they still all human, you know, but the fans got to be careful. What we wish in is like facts. You, you know, but the fans got to be careful. What we wish in is like facts you know.
Speaker 2:So we got art by nobody with the $5 super chat. If that really puts serious accusations on Drake, he's a piece of shit. The heart tries to clear his name. Kendrick has yet to refute. He danced around that. I mean put serious allegations. So I don't know if he's danced around it as much, as he just flat out hasn't answered one question.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, which is like did you or didn't you? You know what I'm saying, cause it's really that simple. At the end of the day, people can try to you can parse it out any way you want. At the end of the day, it's like either you did that shit or you didn't. You know that's not your son. That would be the part I'm more concerned with. Like that would have me more upset than you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You know, like just me, like on a personal level, since it's like gotten personal and I was actually thinking too, we, um, and going back to you, uh, talking about being more conscious about what we do, we gotta got to stop saying her name. And I'm going to tell you why Because really it's really the first time that a woman's name has been brought up with frequency over and over again in the heart of a rap battle. A lot Her name has been used. A lot it's been flipped in bars, it's been set out. You know what I'm saying. So you know she's been flipped in bars, it's been set out. You know what I'm saying. So you know she's been a focal point. But we as media like you know what I'm saying Like out of respect, not family flames can like refrain from, like using her name.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, that's what we call objectivity, you know, because Coop is basically saying that to Drake's side of things because he has brought her up quite frequently in every song that he's released. So we calling it right down the middle, objectively on both sides. I want to ask you something, coop, from the group of people I'll just keep it real. On Joe Budden's podcast that's what I tuned into he was the main person who was the loudest about Drake loss. He's waving the white flag, he's conceding and he doesn't like Drake sounding like this on the defensive Right. But I like to keep consistent in my arguments and I just find it funny that you know bringing the Jay-Z and Nas battle back up.
Speaker 1:One of Joe's favorite tracks ever that he's played on his podcast multiple times is the Blueprint 2 by Jay and that I wouldn't go as far as to say that Jay's tone is he's conceding. But it's kind of a similar sentiment that Joe is saying he hears on his Drake record. On that record, blueprint 2, jay-z is pleading to the fans. You know, don't you see that he's fake the rap version of TD Jakes prophesied on your CDs and tapes. And then you know, I put dollars on my ass, columbine. I'm like telling you what I do for charity, like pleading to you this guy's not who he says he is right. And what I do for charity, like, please, this guy's not who he says he is right. And he even says I will not lose. But even in defeat it's a valuable lesson learned.
Speaker 2:So it evens it up for me, like I'm just saying yeah, are you trying to use Joe Budden's podcast as a barometer for anything pertaining to Drake?
Speaker 1:Is that what you?
Speaker 3:just tried to do.
Speaker 1:No, I know there's, I know there's bias built in, but my point is how can you gas another song to be something that is not and then turn around and say a song with a similar tone? Well two things.
Speaker 2:Well, two things. One, joe button loves some Jay Z, I believe like the blueprint is like. One, joe Budden loves some Jay-Z. I believe the Blueprint is his favorite album. Joe loves some Hov and Joe ain't really always cared for Drake. I don't know if you've heard any of the commentary or any of the records for I don't know the last decade AG.
Speaker 1:It's been about 10 of them. He got a whole album of diss records towards Drake. But, moving on, I just wanted to point out inconsistencies, because it's a lot of people being inconsistent out here, so we got a we got a $5 super chat from Keith Sanford.
Speaker 2:Hold on one second AG prediction Academics will be shadow band. The fact that I'm seeing you for the first time and there's not a single arc video just spoke volumes. There's not a single Ock video just spoke volumes. I really don't know what to tell you, keith.
Speaker 2:I don't have nothing for that one either, I mean, but you know what? Here's what I will say, keith. Like this is what happens when people who are big in this space, like really attach themselves to certain artists, and I don't mean in a got love form, so support them, type of sense. I mean where literally some of their notoriety, some of how things work for them, move through certain individuals because they have good relationships. You know what I'm saying, because when you have those types of relationships, it makes it hard to be, you know, fair, unbiased, when you know there's actually, like you know, a rap beef that needs to be, like, rated objectively instead of with everybody's like, like I've never seen a battle and maybe it's because the two guys are emotional I've never seen such an emotional battle in my life in a rap beef. It's been way too emotional.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of mudslinging. I'm going to come back to something else, but quick. What are your thoughts on the Questlove quote?
Speaker 2:Man Is Sean coming on? It looks like Sean's coming in.
Speaker 1:Who let him in here, man? I told you he was kicked out of the group.
Speaker 2:First of all let me just say this before Sean comes on, so Sean don't steal my thunder man who the fuck asked Questlove anything Moving?
Speaker 3:on.
Speaker 2:Oh, fake-ass, gatekeeping ass, give a fuck.
Speaker 1:How about that? I just wanted a quick answer, just a quick answer.
Speaker 2:Quick answer Tell Questlove to kiss my ass.
Speaker 1:Moving on, moving on. So I brought up Jay-Z and the Blueprint too, right? So people of our ilk, of our age group, would consider Jay-Z versus Nas the greatest Hip-hop battle of all time, and I saw A clip of Elliot on Hip-hop DX Saying that this one, now In the modern era, would rank as the best Hip-hop battle of all time Because it's in the modern era. So what are your feelings on that? In regards of, in the annals of hip hop beefs, where would this rank and why? Because I have some thoughts on that, but I'm going to let you cook first.
Speaker 2:I think, as far as entertainment and excitement, because of the era that we're in, it is one of the more entertaining and exciting battles. Like the past, the last weekend that we got you know what I mean. That was a weekend to remember, like it truly was. I don't know if it's the best weekend in rap history, like some people say, I don't know if it was that, but I did know that it was like, it was fun, it was entertaining, it was exciting. We were all on the edges of our seats.
Speaker 2:Uh, everybody was kind of picking their sides and so they created a special moment in doing that. But, like everything else, I'm going to go back to the quality. At the end of the day, ag and the reality of the matter is is when I say neither one of these guys had delivered a kill shot, it's look at it like this, ag, if you're really a trained assassin, if you're really like a cold-blooded like, if you're really really about this, oh no, it don't take four or five shots for a real assassin to commit murder. They might miss one bullet, but that second bullet gonna land and blow your brains out open up your whole test cavity and it blow out your back.
Speaker 2:That's how real killers kill back. That's how real. That's how real killers kill. That's how real assassins kill, and so what this was missing was kind of the same shit I've been talking about like the whole time that I've been potting, which is, these niggas is way too happy and way too comfortable and way too leisurely like with their approach, because the reality of the matter is it's like neither one of them really, like just straight up, went for the kill. So you think it's think about this.
Speaker 2:NW. Yeah, like it's. It's about really seizing the moment. Like really seizing the moment. Nwa talked some shit on they album. Ice Cube came back one record, you know what I'm saying. Jay did what he did Made Takeover, nas drops Stillmatic Freestyle. Jay goes back, reduz takes over, inserts Nas verse, nas drops Ether. You get what I'm saying. Real killers go kill, ain't no 3, 4, 5 records.
Speaker 1:If the record like that, there was more records after that. Nas kept kicking them a little bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what set it on? It's like this the war wasn't over. The war wasn't over when the union burned Atlanta, but everybody knew that the war was about to be over because they had fucking burned Atlanta Right Ether is Atlanta getting burned. It really don't matter what they did after that. They seize control and, like you, knew what time it was after that.
Speaker 1:No doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2:Common did the common did the bitch in. You and Merrick and Farrakhan had to jump in and hand out being positive both sides to keep it calm.
Speaker 1:He really did. He really did. So what you're saying is this is quantity over quality with these.
Speaker 2:It's somewhere in the middle, because I don't want to disregard the quality of it, because the quality of it is solid and it's above average and it's some of the best stuff both of these guys have done in years, absolutely. So, from that perspective, I don't want to say that it's more quantity than quality, because they've actually given us some quality stuff in a relatively short framework. They have done that, and so kudos to both of them for that. But if, if you're talking about like something that I'm really going to look back on and be like, be like man, like you know, you go to certain disc records, even you go to certain disc records and you're like man, like this right here, like right here no, there's no records like that in here, not in this battle well, let me ask you this, because I think you know somebody put in the chat that beans and, uh, kiss, beans and kiss was a lot of quantity over mixtapes.
Speaker 1:I do think it's something to be said, uh like, like mentioned, of the quality records that we're getting and so many at a high clip, and these are original records, these are not freestyles over other people's beats.
Speaker 2:We got Marcus Robbins with the $5. Holla says the hard part. Six is a neutralizer People really acting blind outizer. People really act acting blind out here. This really become a political with this battle. I mean it was political from the start.
Speaker 3:It's always usual.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, I believe we had another super chat. It was, um, let me find it, uh, art by nobody. Uh, with the uh $2. Super Chats said TaylorMade is also Whitney's brother's rap name. So yeah, I wasn't aware of that. So that's another layer. Was you aware of that? Coop?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2:So that's what I mean about all these layers and it's going too far. It's like okay if you got all these layers and it's going too far. It's like okay if you got all these layers, if you got all this information, instead of making it's like this Bullets are expensive, ag Bullets cost yeah, they do. Bullets cost a lot of money. There's inflation on bullets, right? If I can hit the bullseye with one or two shots, why would I take another three, four bullets and waste my money like that Out the clip when the bullets cost, right? Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:We're waiting on the proverbial red button.
Speaker 2:Like what are we talking about? It's like that's what I mean. It's like, oh no, if this guy was an assassin, the other guy wouldn't still be alive.
Speaker 1:Right, we got a $5 super chat from KL007. Shout out 007. Don't forget guys. Super Ugly was the second response to Ether. Jay had a whack track and then dropped Super Ugly. Kendrick next LP has the B classic. Now, yeah, I believe the track that he's referring to is the Well, jay had a couple. He had the people talking on the end of the Unplugged album and then he had that Don't you Know joint. That was on mixtapes.
Speaker 2:You mean the Unplugged album that Questlove was the drummer for?
Speaker 1:Bingo.
Speaker 2:Is that the Unplugged album AG?
Speaker 1:Don't go down that road Coop.
Speaker 2:So dusty Tater Tots with the Super Chat sent us 501. Appreciate the love guys. Might be the zip, might be the area code. Kendrick fanboys took all the fun out of the battle, gassing mediocrity and fantasizing about Pedo shit. Can we move on? What y'all expecting from M's album AG? You're the M fan of the Believe the two of us tonight, but the three Of us total. What are your thoughts About the M album?
Speaker 1:I believe I covered that two shows ago, but I'll just Give a quick, you know quick explanation. I think conceptually he will go into his Slim Shady bag because this is the death of Slim Shady and it won't come off corny, because it'll be conceptual like he's killing off that character. So I'm hoping that's what it'll be, because as a 51 year old man, if he just, you know, is just rapping as Slim Shady, it might come off a little cringy. So I hope it's very conceptual in that regard.
Speaker 2:We got Tracy G with the five dollar super chat. She said Coop. That was one of my favorite bars. Drake said so many important things where people should be concerned about Kenny Well, well, well, tracy G, I agree. Here's my thing, and I've said this before on previous shows when it comes to certain things that men get accused of doing oh, if you didn't do that shit the first thing that you do is go tell everybody that you didn't do that shit, like whoever will listen to you say that you didn't do that shit is where you will go. It'll be how you rock go. It'll be how you rock. It'll be how you roll. And that's my only problem with the silence. I've never seen a man not do that and be like let me just be quiet and let it unfold. Yeah, what nigga you know ready to do that shit if they didn't do nothing wrong? Do you know?
Speaker 1:yeah, it looks like we got Sean back. Ladies and gentlemen, he tried to end King's thing his way back into the group.
Speaker 3:Yo, I hate you, man Sean.
Speaker 1:I hate the way that I walk. I hate the way I dress. Look, he didn't say hello.
Speaker 2:He didn't say what up fellas. He's like I hate you.
Speaker 3:Yo, a rose dolo from state to state. Yo shout out to the goofies out there who tried to go live tonight and we tripled their views when they tried to shit on our shit. Yo, we here, he coming out the gate swinging. I'm sorry, I saw some stuff. I didn't like it. I couldn't respond because I'm on essential time right now. You know what I'm saying so. But we here, I love what y'all doing tonight. Man on everybody else out there. Pause, let's get it, baby, no doubt. No, y'all hear me, can y'all hear me? Good, can y'all see me? Can I hear me? Yeah, you good, you good. Look at this view, isn't that beautiful?
Speaker 2:that's what I was looking at. I wasn't even looking at you. That's what. That's what I was talking about.
Speaker 3:These other corny guys be putting on shades on the show. They can't have a view like this you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3:I'm kidding, I'm bullshit, I'm kidding, let's get it, baby.
Speaker 1:He Eddie Kane for real.
Speaker 2:You really did come in here like Eddie Kane. I did, I had to. Yo peace, bro. I mean, hey, you got to look at it like this, Sean. This is just an opportunity for us to put the kiddies to bed.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. It's time to go to bed. Big boys are here Night night. The grown-ups are talking man. Let's everybody go to bed.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, curfew time. We, we about to break out the space. The Dominoes, all the kids got to go upstairs and say night night.
Speaker 3:Go upstairs, get your stuff together. Go upstairs, take your shades off. Go upstairs and do what you want. Take the goofy shades off and go upstairs and have fun. The grown-ups about to play Dominoes right now. Let's get to it.
Speaker 1:No, doubt, no doubt. So, cynthia, this popped into the live, bro. What's your thoughts on the um, the hard part six record I loved it.
Speaker 3:I loved it. I think it went over fans heads 50 of that but I think the other 50 they don't want to. They don't want to ride to it. It doesn't matter what drake put out right now no one is going to ride to it like that, you know. I mean, I think the hard part six was I thought it was genius. To be quite honest, I really do. I think it was genius, but of course, right now it's really hard to go up against that.
Speaker 3:On that giant which is Kendrick, and we have to admit that right now Kendrick is the people's champ. Drake is in a he's in a very interesting spot right now, in a very interesting spot right now, and I'm not sure if he'll be able to how he's going to put out of this, to be able to put himself above all of it. I'm not sure if it's going to happen, because we saw this happen before. When the industry is sick and tired of you, they're sick and tired of you and they're going to find someone that can possibly either replace you or someone that they can champion to get into your position, and I believe that Kendrick checked the boxes for all of that. The question is can Kendrick be the savior that they want long term, because what they want Kendrick to do is something that Drake has done successfully for over a decade.
Speaker 2:What long term? Let's do a quick timeline. Yeah, he got here in 2009. From 2009 to 2017, he was active. How many years is that?
Speaker 2:That's a long time bro, eight years of active duty. He did eight years of active duty, right yeah, eight years of active duty. He took five years off. Five came back two years ago, right? Yep, he's in year number 10. He's in year number 10. Drake's been around since 2005. Drake's in like literally getting closer to year 20. Like that's the part about this people don't like really understand. And it's like this is where I say Drake's done more for hip hop and I'm not saying that to be shady to K-Dot. It's like no, kendrick has put in about 10 years worth of work, drake's put in about 20.
Speaker 1:No doubt it's not the same thing that's why we gotta be careful with the industry. If it's a for real conspiracy, concerted effort to get rid of Drake from the rapper side and the exec side, people in, you know the higher ups that sign in checks Right, drake is the golden goose, he's the moneymaker, you know. But like Kanye said, one man can't have all this power. So sometimes you get too big for your britches, they get you up out of here. Said one man can't have all this power, so sometimes you get too big for your britches, they get you up out of here. And with that regard for the fan base, that's championing kendrick kendrick, talent wise, deserves that right. But from the aspect of, is that who you want to put your money on to carry the culture over the next handful of years?
Speaker 1:yeah I don't know if that's something that is a safe bet, because kendrick might use the momentum from this album I mean from these, this records and drop an album and then disappear into hiding for another three to five years and rest on his laurels that he's the king, you know, and drake has been keeping things hot every summer. So my bigger question is if you're trying to get him up out of here, then a lot of people's pockets are going to be thinner, you know, over the next couple years hold on.
Speaker 2:We got a few super chats. We got to get two fellas. Cj, the kid with the five dollar super chat, said damn. The first time I'm going to disagree about kill shots and people being happy. Majority of the people feel that Meet the Grams was scathing. Okay, let me take this right quick. This is what I mean about the hard part six being the best actual diss record, because he addressed the person he was dissing. It's not an essay talking to the family. It's not an intervention. It's like I love the fact that he did an intervention, but I feel a lot about the intervention like. I feel like the mental health album. It's like that's not what I asked you for. I asked you to shoot this nigga. I didn't ask you to do a dissertation on his family. I didn't ask you to talk to his son. I didn't ask you to talk to his mama. I didn't ask you to talk to his mama. I asked you to open hand, pimp, slap this nigga.
Speaker 1:Conceptually. I think that record was hard, bro, conceptually it's beautiful.
Speaker 2:Who the fuck asked you to do that?
Speaker 1:Minus the whole daughter thing, because they took that off. That verse is removed, so that just gives credence to it being Cap and Drake setting up that whole play.
Speaker 2:I told you to go slap this nigga and you want to play psychological warfare?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that verse has been removed, but since we're here with it now, billboard a couple days ago did their rankings.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on. We got a few more Super Chats we need to get to before that AG. Okay, go ahead. Coop 007 with the $4.99 Super Chat said don't forget guys. Super Ugly was the second response to Ethan. Jay had a whack track and then dropped Super Ugly. Kendrick's next LP needs to be classic now. Yeah, we had already read that one.
Speaker 1:We had already read that one too. Here's the next one.
Speaker 2:Did you read Mike H? What's up? What you guys take from a hard part six not being on DSP yet.
Speaker 1:That's a good question.
Speaker 3:I don't know, nigga Ask Drake. Nah, my answer Drake's fucking doing it.
Speaker 1:My answer to Drake is these releases been weird as hell. All of them have been kind of non-conventional.
Speaker 2:This is a little quick pocket change. It's like studio night money, like for Drake. It ain't nothing, you know what I mean. But 15 million views gets you about 25 grand from YouTube. So he making a little cheese off of it too. A little come up, you know what I mean. A little night at Magic, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Reading the Ill Magic super chat for $5. Appreciate the love we need, to appreciate this moment, because kendrick might not drop more music for the next five years. Precisely that's just what I was saying, if the industry is if the industry is putting all chips in on kendrick to get rid of drake, then what does that look like? What does that look like monetarily for the culture?
Speaker 1:no doubt if he's supposed to be the cash cow, you know. So I'm just asking questions. I'm not, you know, saying way or another, but is that a safe bet? We got another five dollar super chat from Drake. It says do you think I'm going to drop another track like Academics was hitting, and would that be the start of round two? I do think another track is coming this weekend, but I don't know when. Academics hinted at a few songs, so we might be getting a three-pack Like Scary Hours or something like that. He's petty Of course he is.
Speaker 1:He's petty Academics confirmed that something was supposed to come out the day of the shooting but that kind of thwarted those plans.
Speaker 2:I believe this was it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sean, I believe this was it. Yeah, yeah, sean, I believe this next super chat is for you from 007.
Speaker 3:Oh boy, what is it?
Speaker 1:I can't see queens get the money. There you go, queens get the money you know what it is yeah, sir, you're so.
Speaker 1:Uh, getting back to, we was talking about the dopest tracks in the um. You know, in the beef, billboard ranked their top tracks in the beef and me and coop talked about it behind the scenes. Frankly, we disagree with it now, mind you, this is before the hard part six dropped, so it wasn't in their rankings. But, um, I'm gonna read them off what they had and then we can frankly pick that apart, gentlemen, and give our own personal rankings if y'all would like to do that.
Speaker 3:I'd like us to come to more of a consensus.
Speaker 2:I'd like us to come to a consensus like we need a hip hop talks list. We don't need like AG Sean okay, so you want to argue?
Speaker 1:so alright, let's do it. Not that I want to argue.
Speaker 2:It's that I'm always right. Who always want to argue? Always want to argue. It's that I'm always right. There's a big one who always want to argue, always want to argue, man we had some other cornballs too that were trying to do a list tonight.
Speaker 3:That shit was corny, but go ahead.
Speaker 1:At number seven TaylorMadeFreestyle. Number six is 616 in LA. Number five is Push-Ups. Number four is Not Like Us. Number three is Euphoria push-ups. Number four is not like us.
Speaker 2:Number three is euphoria, number two is family matters and number one is meet the grams. So that list is terrible. I mean I disagree with the whole list pretty much. I mean first of all they, not us, is still the best record of all these records.
Speaker 1:Okay, so so let's number one, let's start there so we're. We're eliminating like that because that's the future record that jumped it off. We're not counting that correct.
Speaker 2:I mean, technically, we should count that, because isn't that a diss? Isn't that the diss that started all this? That started the?
Speaker 3:whole thing. That's the inception of all of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right.
Speaker 3:Everyone in the chat. Put your top five. If you don't mind, put your ranking in the chat. Put your top five. If you won't mind, put your your ranking in the chat.
Speaker 2:Not like us is number one.
Speaker 3:I don't like.
Speaker 2:Kendrick, I've been riding around bumping, not like us. That's some cat shit. I love you. I'll be honest, I have it.
Speaker 3:I can appreciate it, but I haven't been playing it like that.
Speaker 1:But we're going to talk about what what our rankings like, how we're going to talk about what our rankings like, how we're going to rank these like. So it can you know, be objective? Do we count the parody of Buried Alive?
Speaker 2:Do we count?
Speaker 1:that I don't think many people heard it? I don't think so.
Speaker 3:It's like a Lucy, so I don't know if you can really put that in there. Okay, so, not even Lucy. It's more like short. So, um, not even short.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's really a short.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And a seven seven minute drill. Seven minutes Do we hold out of it altogether.
Speaker 2:Okay, all right.
Speaker 1:So we got nine records guys.
Speaker 2:It's not in this room.
Speaker 1:So, so we? So we got nine records. Are we going to start from the last ranking or are we going to stop from the highest ranking? What are we doing?
Speaker 2:I think we should start with the highest, because it's not like us, because I think then we can have a conversation about the order of the next three records.
Speaker 1:I agree with you.
Speaker 2:Depending on how you feel about two, three, four probably depends on how you feel about the battle overall. I think Kendrick has clearly made the best record of this battle, but I don't know if he's necessarily made the second and third best records of this battle.
Speaker 1:I agree with you, but I just want to be a contrarian. So what kind of shit?
Speaker 3:is that he's a big words tonight.
Speaker 2:I thought I was the scorer's ass nigga on here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just I thought I was the scorer's ass nigga on here. Just because you can't follow along, sean, don't get mad. So my vote is for Family Matters. Here's why as number one. As number one. Here's why Because you get three different beats from Drake. You get three different flows and he's masterfully weaving in and out of distance between like get three different flows and he's masterfully weaving in and out of distance between about ten different people, which people are holding against him, which is crazy to me, saying he should just focus on Kendrick, but just based off a degree of difficulty alone. That would be my number one vote Because, like I said, it's like three separate records, three separate flows, going at like 10 people.
Speaker 2:Degree of difficulty this is the hardest this to pull off on the entire list it's my number two, so I can see why you would see that it's in pole position, because for me it's the second best record of the series that's subjective.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just don't think it has the replay value of record of the series.
Speaker 3:That's subjective.
Speaker 2:Yes, I just don't think it has the replay value of Not Like Us, because where Not Like Us is, winning is in replay value. It doesn't.
Speaker 1:I'm just creating conversation. This is New York State of Mind, part 2 versus Represent all over again.
Speaker 2:I'm just Sean, go ahead and break the tie, Sean.
Speaker 3:I got gotta agree with Koop on this, and here's why the thing I think that hurt Family Matters is I wish I kind of wonder if Drake should have done two records or three, as opposed to one long joint. You know what I mean, because I wonder if he should have kept some of that in the tuck and released them back to back, back to back, spread it out so important.
Speaker 2:Also too. I'm sorry not to cut you off.
Speaker 3:Sean, you're good.
Speaker 2:Family Matters was the way Kendrick one-upped him, not maybe in the song, but in the process, by cutting the legs of that song out from under it with Meet the Grams Right Exactly. He took some of the legs out exactly from Drake when he did that. But it's a battle Like so. It's like anything goes. So it's like if you want to steal a nigga, thunder right quick, like Kendrick was successful at it. The podcast that Sean is talking about tried to do that to us tonight and we turned into giants and stepped on it. It backfired. You know what I mean. I'm walking down the street.
Speaker 3:I'm walking down the street in this beautiful city and I'm looking at the numbers. They're like 40 people in there and people were checking out. I was like yo, they got 40 people. You know what I mean? Coop did 40 in five seconds when he posted a reel, but that's neither here nor there. Um, I think that, to your point, coop, when kendrick dropped right after family matters, it cut the legs off. So I wonder if drake should have done family matters in two segments and break it down like that and maybe drop that first one and again. He couldn't predict that k? Dot was going to drop something like that. I don't think no one could predict that. That's like to me, that's one. And again, he couldn't predict that K-Dot was going to drop something like that. I don't think no one could predict that. That's like to me. That's one of the beauties of a hip-hop battle like this, because you don't see that very often. I think someone like Cam Cam would do some stuff like that, because Cam is overly petty and he keeps something in his top.
Speaker 1:Well, what you're saying, sean, he kind of already did, but just on a different song, because the way push-ups ended was a transition to Family Matters. So he was saving Family Matters in the tuck, but he couldn't predict Kendrick's moves. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:But this is the art of war. In the art of war, you have to understand what your other man has on his other side. You have to know, you have to predict what he can actually play. That's being a good chess player, right? You have to predict. This guy got some stuff lined up. Do I shoot this entire clip? In an age of music where the longer the song is, the less attention span drake, if anybody knows that. That's why you have music that has only like one to two verses, because the attention span is not there anymore dropping a seven minute clip and you put all of the resources of money into a whole video. Very creative, but this is in 2000. This is in 2001. This is in 1995. This is 2024. You got to play to where you're playing that. And you're not playing against a small guy, you're playing up against a giant. We know that K-Dot is a giant. We know that he's a writer. What writers do they write? They write a lot, over and over.
Speaker 2:Over and over, over and over you cannot miss that.
Speaker 3:This is not Meek Mill. This is not Screaming Meek Mill. No, it's not. This is not the same guy. So you're going to have to play your card. You got to throw him out there to see what he's going to bite. If he bite off of that first piece of Family Matters, then you come back with that second or that third verse, because now you can say well, I have songs lined up as well, so we're going tit for tat. We can be petty all day long.
Speaker 2:I love that, Sean. I think that's the most insightful thing I've heard somebody say about this battle in general that he should have made Family Matter matters a three-part series. Yeah, no sean cook.
Speaker 1:Sean cook, that I'm gonna read the super chat real quick and, um, you know, go with my thoughts. Uh, big black crypto with the five dollar super chat. Thank you for the love. Um. Kdot started in 04. Drake started in 06. Kdot only ever took 2006, 2019 and 2020 off. In his off years he still did features and last year he won two grammys. Um, but I mean, at the end of the day he still wasn features and last year he won two Grammys. At the end of the day, he still wasn't as active as Drake was. That's just a fact of the matter.
Speaker 2:He wasn't really on the scene until 2009.
Speaker 1:If we're going to go there then somebody took the other person on tour when they were at their zenith, and the other person was a virtual unknown, that's saying, somebody gave him one of his first hit singles too yeah.
Speaker 1:So moving on, uh, about the not like that, I'm in agreement. That not like that is number one. Like I said, I was just trying to create some dialogue and be a contrarian. So, um, family matters would be my number two for aegree of Difficulty. Not Like Us. It's at the point now where it's not even a West Coast record anymore. That song is everywhere it's being pushed, it's being pushed.
Speaker 1:Literally every yeah. That's why I think an album's coming and this is the first single. It's been confirmed he's shooting a video. That song is everywhere and a lot of people view this as the knockout punch, which you know. Those people you know are saying it's over already, but if it were to be over as as of today, that would be the knockout punch. If you know, there is a proverbial knockout, so that's the number one. Are we all in agreement that family matters is number two I can give that I can rock with that.
Speaker 1:I can rock with that so number three what I would submit is like that just because it's the set off record, but it was, it was a banger, it was everywhere before it's at my bottom yeah, it's at my bottom.
Speaker 2:Well, it's kind of tricky because it's not Kendrick's record you know what I'm saying, so this is what I mean, depending on how you feel about the battle, do you think what do you think is better? The heart, part six or euphoria? Oh, euphoria is last on my list euphoria is last, so you think 616 in LA is better.
Speaker 1:I love 616 yeah, I'll take that over. Euphoria is latin, so you think six, uh 616 in la is better. I love 616. I yeah, I'll take that over either I do you think that?
Speaker 2:you do too. You think it's. Do you think that 616 is better than the heart?
Speaker 1:part six let's, let's take off like that and put an asterisk beside it, because it's not kendrick's record, it's not kendrick's. It's hard to me, it's harder to rate just slide it to the back.
Speaker 2:we'll deal with that in a second 616.
Speaker 1:I think 616 is there 616 would be my next vote, then that would be my next vote.
Speaker 2:That's better than the hard part of 6 to you. Yes, okay.
Speaker 3:Sean, what do you say? I like 616.
Speaker 1:And then all the layers of the meanings.
Speaker 2:Yes, so 616 is our number three.
Speaker 1:Yes, and then the Art of War, Drake's dad's uncle's playing on the Al Green record. That was sampled. It's just crazy stuff going on.
Speaker 2:The hard part is number four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be number four for me.
Speaker 2:Sean number four I can dig that, I can dig it, and then it would go to Euphoria, then right.
Speaker 1:Not for me, but if y'all say it, then we got to go with majority rules. Next for me would be what would yours?
Speaker 2:be or Meet the Grams.
Speaker 1:Mine would be Meet the Grams.
Speaker 2:Mine would be Meet the Grams. What say you, sean, I got to go Euphoria. Okay, so check it out. Here's where. Okay, so pause for a second. And this is where Drake is losing, because records five and six actually belong to Kendrick, because it's even, it's more even than people realize. But did you see about the five and six? We were talking about meet the grams and Euphoria.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get to that Coop. I got something that's gonna really speak to that. This is for to get to that Coop. I got something that's going to really speak to that.
Speaker 2:This is for Kendrick fans. This is Coop saying Kendrick actually is winning. And here is actually why. This is actually an objective analysis and breakdowns of why. Because the first four records is going back and forth, back and forth, but then when we get to five and six, it's like oh, both the Dot records is kind of better than both the Drake records, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right, so we got Meet the Grams at number five.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I actually think Meet the Grams is number five.
Speaker 1:I agree. I mean that Alchemist beat is dope, the concept is dope.
Speaker 2:That and the Heart Part 6 are the dopest beats. The Meet the Grams beat and the Heart Part 6 beat. Those are the dopest beats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, boy, wanted to kill the hard part six beat. And the fact that he's saying got the Aretha Franklin sample, saying prove it yeah. That's fire, that's fire Petty. Next for me would be push-ups. I'm one of the few people, I guess, that'll put push-ups over Euphoria, but I just really didn't like Euphoria like that.
Speaker 3:I enjoy push-ups.
Speaker 2:I enjoy push-ups I would be cool with drawing that, but I would lean on euphoria more just because I'm gonna lean on the bars more at the end of the day. Can I? Can I just give a hot take right quick too? Yeah, for all this j cole and kendrick talk, this battle has also shown me that drake isn't as far of these guys as people act like that. He is as an MC. If he wasn't a dope-ass MC, we wouldn't be no back and forth to be had, and so he's greater as a quote-unquote, just straight-up-and-down rapper than he's actually getting credit for. Because if this is your savior, if this is your champ from this area, he's having to pull out every single stop to beat this guy, which means the other guy's a player like on some rap shit, not about no numbers, not about no sales, not about no hits, but on some rap shit.
Speaker 2:He's bringing out the best in kendrick, because that guy can rap, so he's coming with his concepts.
Speaker 1:He's coming with his gangsta boogie records. He's coming with his thought-provoking records.
Speaker 2:He's coming from angles, like he's coming with his concepts. He's coming with his gangsta boogie records. He's coming with his thought provoking records. He's coming from angles like he's doing a whole lot of work for somebody. The quote unquote is just a pop star.
Speaker 1:Cool. Hold that thought right there because I'm a circle back to that. That's going to be very important. What you just said Very important. We got a ten dollar super chat from one uh month to 2.0. Great discussion, it's a good panel. Yo, we appreciate the love. Um, so pushups would be um after euphoria. We agree on that, right? Yeah? Yeah, I'll take the L on that. Euphoria is just a personal dislike for me, cause I don't like the voice stuff he's doing on there. Um, so dead last would be TaylorMade Freestyle.
Speaker 2:Actually you want to know I'm cool with drawing push-ups in Euphoria because I think push-ups is a better rap song.
Speaker 1:I mean we got to put one over the other and I'm cool if Euphoria is ahead of push-ups. They're not that far apart, but I'm cool if it's ahead of it. That's just a personal thing.
Speaker 2:That's why Not Like Us is so important, because it's the only record that separates itself in this battle from another record. It's like oh no, Drake don't got nothing for that record.
Speaker 1:The views and opinions of AG doesn't necessarily reflect everybody in hip-hop talk. So there we go. Absolutely not. I don't like you, Corey, that's just me.
Speaker 2:So that would put TaylorMade Freestyle there last yeah, yeah, and I'm okay with that I don't know. That's where it belongs. It belongs in last place.
Speaker 1:All right, so we got an asterisk by like that. I think we keep that off the board, yeah.
Speaker 3:Mano a mano.
Speaker 2:Mano a mano, mano a mano If we do it at the bottom of the board.
Speaker 3:It has to be yeah.
Speaker 1:So just to rehash it, not Like Us was number one, family Matters was number two and we'll put this list out on socials, family Matters was number two. 616 in LA was number three. Part Six was number four. Meet the Grams is number five, euphoria is number six and Push-Ups is number seven and TaylorMade Freestyle is number eight. That's a solid list, solid list. Quick question before I get into this story real quick.
Speaker 2:It's like losing a fight 121 to 119. It's like you didn't whoop his ass, you just won by decision. You won by a couple points. Did we get some new?
Speaker 3:super chats. Yeah, we got like two pending, I believe.
Speaker 1:Okay, the last one I'm seeing. I already read it said great discussion, good panel. Oh, we got a $5 super chat. Appreciate it. Drake definitely explained everything from beginning to end. I'm sorry, Drake definitely explained everything from becoming a cloud chaser with no hard labor and that's Kendrick's misstep. Shout out to Tracy G2 for the $5 super chat. We got another $5 super chat from Gmail. Talk. Kdot will not do as many features as Drake does. Also, that's a very valid point. That's what I was speaking to.
Speaker 2:Feature game matters it does, it really does. I's a very valid point. That's what I was speaking to. Feature game matters. It does it really does. Think about this. Drake's feature game has the greatest hits to it when he does the greatest hits. It's going to be like a three-disc set. One of the sets is just going to be all features.
Speaker 1:Since we got Not Like Us as number one and it's an out-of-here record. How would you all compare that to Back to Back?
Speaker 2:It's not as scathing as Back to Back is. Back to Back is disrespectful. That is a disrespectful record. It is.
Speaker 1:But on a banger level, club banger level, it's neck and neck.
Speaker 2:Not Like Us might be a bigger banger in the long run. Might be that's a banger like like, kendrick ain't made a, kendrick ain't made a record like that in a long time, guys. Yeah, like a very long time.
Speaker 3:It's a different vibe. It's a different vibe and you got people, when they start doing the tiktok dances and these other dances, to a song, to a diss record. That pushes it over the edge without a problem. It clears everything when you start getting that going on.
Speaker 2:It's one of the best records he's done in a long time. I was trying to think there aren't too many records on DAM that are better than that record.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not trying to be a salt shaker, to be honest.
Speaker 1:I don't write that't like it that much.
Speaker 2:I mean not to be funny, not to be funny at all, but your queens get the money and that is some real, real west shit he just did it's some real west, it's like the northern part of the west.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, no, no, it's like.
Speaker 2:No, that's what I like about the record at that what? I like about the record is that for me, stylistically he blended SoCal and NoCal together.
Speaker 3:SoCal gangsta boogie, but NoCal hyphy waving on you, type shit.
Speaker 2:It's a special record. It's one of the more special records. He's done in a minute.
Speaker 1:I mean that hyphy sound. I was talking to one of the more special records he's done in a minute. I mean that hype he found. Like I was talking to one of my homies the other day and he compared it to Tell Me when To Go and I compared it to.
Speaker 2:I compared it to the motto it reminds me of Tell Me when To Go, in the sense that it like it's like the rhythm and the groove and the gig of it is so unique to that region, but it's still infectious on a black, soulful level. That's what that record is it's a dope-ass record.
Speaker 1:But for the way it rings off for me. It reminds me of the motto a lot, Because the motto was big in the clubs and it has that same hype-y sound.
Speaker 2:And I don't even think they intended for the model to be big like that no, because it was like a bonus track on the record, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was. Um, it was. But uh, I was going to get into the story real quick because coop is cooking on a lot of the points and this gives his point a lot of credence. Um, I was talking to my cousin the other day, right, and his favorite is jay cole out of the big three you know, we're still addressing the big three his favorite is jay cole.
Speaker 1:So he tapped out after uh cole apologized for the seven minute drill, like literally didn't want to hear none of the songs. I'm like, bro, you're the only person walking the earth that hasn't been tapped into this battle. You know what I mean. And he was just like all right, because now that you know, people are saying kendrick won, it's over. This was after the hard part, six drop.
Speaker 1:He said I'm gonna do my due diligence and you know, let me know the orders of the songs and I'm gonna tap in and just all day listen to these songs and you know chronological order and succession. And he did that for about two or three days straight. And then he hit me up. He was like yo cuz, like, after listening and dissecting the records. I think Drake is winning, but barely. But based on what's being said and what's you know. Just fitting, he said I think Drake is barely winning and I said it's funny, you say that because you didn't listen to the records in real time. So with certain nuances about these records that he wasn't aware of, because he checked out and pulled himself away from them.
Speaker 2:Well, ag. That kind of goes to Sean's point, though, that it's 2024. And so the way that you do it, in terms of how it fits into the current format, it does matter, because if this was 2005, drake would probably be up because of the bars, because of the bars.
Speaker 2:It kind of seems crazy to say because it's Kendrick, because where Kendrick is really winning is that he is conceptually crafting better records. It reflects in the list that we just did, but he's not out. Barring Drake, though, and that's what I'm trying to get people to pay attention to. It's like oh no, it's not, like it's not on. No, like Assassin, murderer's Creed type of mission. You know what I'm saying. I don't know like Assassin, murderer's Creed type of mission.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying it's closer than a lot of people would like to admit. Once I walked them through step by step. What happened? Like Kendrick stepped on the release of Family Matters with Meet the Grams?
Speaker 3:and.
Speaker 1:Drake coming out with the TaylorMade and it being controversial with the AI, and then the Tupac estate pulling the record and all the thingsupac estate pulling the record and you know all the things that transpired in real time. And then the day that Kendrick dropped not like us just coming off the heels of meet the grams the day before, how you know the chess moves and the art of war, how, how they were released, it matters. So Kendrick is out. I want to say he's kind of's, even though he was played on the daughter thing. He's kind of out maneuvering drake, he's out thinking drake in this uh battle, because the records are about even. But the way kendrick has went about his approach is winning him the battle at this point, in my opinion. So that was kind of speaking to your point, coop, and I thought my cousin was a good example because he was listening to it with fresh ears, not having any of the other contexts that we've had he just lists, he's just listening to the records he's not into.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have the chronological order, he doesn't have the nuances, he just has the records to go to, which is kind of how it used to be. You judged it strictly on the record. We just don't live in that time anymore, unfortunately. So it's like you know. It's like you know we can't. We can't be the get off my lawn, guys.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying and like not and understand the fact that one of the biggest like when you're saying that um kendrick has the advantage in terms of how he's been strategizing, he actually doesn't. He just made the best move on the board, which was releasing his song 20 minutes after Drake's best record. Quite frankly, like that's where he really, that's that. That was. That was his really strategic move, because if you looked at it, he's been finessed in this battle by Drake and Drake's team more than than vice versa, but in terms of just one move, like a power play. You know what I'm saying. He's made the best power play in this with the Meet the Grams because of the timing of the response, because he understood the times that we were in.
Speaker 1:And the record didn't even have to be better. It's just that our attention spans are so short. We're running to the next record and since it's the latest thing that's dropped, then that's what we're going to and that's what we're playing. A lot of people didn't even go back to family matters after that. You know what I mean it was. They might have gave it one or two listens and then it was over.
Speaker 2:Because I mean the reason and the reason that I say that we don't know if this is over is because this kind of feels like this kind of in football terms, this feels like the few times brady and mahomes actually played. It's like, nah, whoever got the ball last probably gonna win, win nigga, you know what I'm saying. Like, cause they going to play each other. Like. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:So like there ain't no like turf left on the field.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, Like because I think cause, cause. Here's the thing about it, and I don't care what anybody says, and I'm not saying this in a hating type of way. This is energized Kendrick in a wonderful way, yeah, yeah. Even for everything that I've said, even for everything that I've said. If we're talking like on some rap shit, he has been the number one artist of this generation. If we're talking on some rap shit he has been, because he has the albums that reflect that more than Drake and more than Cole has.
Speaker 2:Yes, but like I was saying, it's like, but when you haven't heard that person in seven years, Right, I want to piggyback off of that.
Speaker 3:Can we get the two Super Chats real quick? Yeah from 007.
Speaker 1:Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 3:I want to piggyback off of cool after we get the two Super Chats.
Speaker 1:Okay, 007, with the $20 Super Chat, appreciate it, bro. Gentlemen, can you speak to the battle ring? This was so unique in the sense that battle rap involves not only going against your opponents but their fan base. Drake's is so vast and diverse Kendrick had to pull out all the stops. I think I talked about that on the last show. For me, Drake has all. His fan base is mostly made up of casual fans. Kendrick has the diehard fans that's willing to ride hard for him.
Speaker 2:Can I say something right quick?
Speaker 1:You want to know what.
Speaker 2:Drake's fan base has too. He's got rich niggas that don't get involved in podcasts like this.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying they're not going to get into a debate.
Speaker 2:Stuff like this never really reaches them. They're like ohke's in a rap battle with kendrick lamar.
Speaker 1:They're like, so what?
Speaker 1:it's fucking drake, I love that guy right, keep it put. But but the thing about having most of your fan base being casuals they can be swayed, you know, because they're whatever is hot, they just want a vibe. They're on the next thing, smoking. So if they see on the internet that kendrick's all the way, then they going over there, you know, they saying, well, kendrick is what's popping, so that's where I'm going. So if your core fan base is made up of mostly casuals, then it's hard for you to come out on top of a battle. Um, when you got. People are not diehards like that. It's pretty evident that kendrick has the diehards because to that point kendrick stands for something.
Speaker 1:Drake's music is most of the time surface level party stuff. Kendrick has a message in his music that people think that it gives them something to stand for. And Drake's whole point is this guy's not who you say he is. He's no different than me. He's a fraud of some sorts. But people, I don't know if you watched the, I'm not going to get into the sorts. But people, I don't know if you watch the, I'm not going to get into the analogy. But anyway, if people admit that Kendrick is a fraud on some levels, then a lot of those fan bases. A lot of Kendrick fans might think that they're fraudulent too, so they don't ever want to accept that or admit that. And that's not me saying Kendrick's a fraud. That's just me saying if they were to ever admit that, because they think he stands for something bigger than just the music.
Speaker 2:So I don't want to go too far on this, but I don't know why in the hell they think that, when he's never really taken a stance for anything as it concerns this community, and that's what drake is saying in the music, but nobody's listening he's no different than a politician that comes and gets your votes every four years and then disappears.
Speaker 2:No different, no different. He promised that he's going to take these gas prices down. The chicken's not going to cost the price of a down payment on a Hyundai. He promised you all these things.
Speaker 1:That's Coop's thing. But the $5 super chat from Uncle Fran, coop. If you listen, this is for you, coop, coop. If you listen, this is for you, coop, coop. If you listen closely, boy one to hit the B sharp note on the beat while Drake was doing a scheme Yo, that's crazy, like yo, you have to be a music head, you see, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay so right there, you're seeing the difference in the fan bases with that comment that Uncle Fram just made. And here's what it is. If Kendrick's producer had have done that, we would know it already, because they are so keen on making sure that he wins that, they would have dissected that and disseminated that and made that part of the reason why this song was better. Drake's fan base is like good reply on the A minor line Keep going, man.
Speaker 1:That's why I said it was genius for Drake to put the lyrics on the a minor line. Keep going. That's why I said it was genius for drake to put the lyrics on the screen for family matters, but I don't want cares guys we got.
Speaker 3:Here's what we have to understand because we have to understand yeah, they understand, people don't care about that.
Speaker 3:Listen, styles makes fights right. Kendrick and drake should not even be in the ring together technically. Let's keep it a bug. We, I think we get. We're getting away from that. They're not. Kendrick and Drake should not even be in the ring together technically. Let's keep it above. I think we're getting away from that. They're not in the same weight class. They do two totally different things.
Speaker 3:Drake is more you can almost lean Drake in a pop side as opposed to the rap side. That's why the communities are so divided right now, because they don't accept what Drake has done as an artist. They look at Drake as someone who has ride different waves, someone who has been a part of different movements, and he's also crossed over to a point of damn near no return. Whereas they view and this is what I'm saying, I'm not saying I'm saying this for a reason they view I'm using certain words, view Kendrick as the rap MC, the artist, the creative, the lyrical assassin. This is how they view these two entities. We cannot give Cole a way out because he was the sparring partner for Kendrick per se, from a lyrical standpoint, from a rapper, from an MC standpoint.
Speaker 2:He was supposed to be. He's supposed to be Holyfield to Kendrick's Tyson.
Speaker 3:Thank you. Drake is never that because Drake is in a different weight class. Drake is supposed to spar with the Kanye's because their name and their brand is bigger than their music at this point which he's done that.
Speaker 3:He's done that, so he has done that. But they supposed to be the ones that clash? Because if you look at yay, yay is not the same day that we fell in love with years ago. He's not the same. His brand yay's brand is bigger than his music at this point. His controversy is bigger than his music at this point. Same thing with drake. Drake had his, the news swirling. Drake is damn near shadowing his music output at this point, so he's in a different entity than kendrick. This is the wrong time for drake to battle someone like Kendrick in this particular environment. All I'm saying is I get what y'all. I respect everything y'all brothers are saying. I get it. But Kendrick is a person that should go up against the other lyrical giants, those that can spar with him, that will pull that out of him. But Cole bowed out, cole bowed out. It is what it is. Somebody has to step up to the plate and I know someone that can do that, but nobody want to give him respect or courtesy because they don't view him in a high light.
Speaker 1:Lupe wants to smoke, but then we got to consider weight class. As far as notoriety and star power is concerned Exactly.
Speaker 3:He's not pulverizing enough. Right Hendrick is pulverizing.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing about it too and I'm not being funny when I say this If Dodd and Lupe spar, it's not entertaining enough, it doesn't draw the crowd. It doesn't draw the crowd.
Speaker 1:And Kendrick and Drake really dislike each other. Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 3:They do, they do.
Speaker 2:When you go straight to pedophilia and baby mamas. You don't like that, nigga.
Speaker 3:I don't care what you say. It's not a build up, but to disagree.
Speaker 1:I agree with some of what you're saying, sean, but I disagree at the same time because Kendrick and Cole I think that battle to some degree would be boring too. For all us lyrical nerds We'd love it, but they're in the same wheelhouse. Drake is the perfect antithesis for what Kendrick is. Kendrick represents everything what we consider to be pure about hip hop. Drake is the pop star, and when those things clash then it builds for this kind of dialogue that we're having right now. I'm glad you said that.
Speaker 3:Are we contradicting ourselves as being hip-hop heads, though, if we're saying that's born to us?
Speaker 2:No, because here's the thing. This is why I brought up the Holyfield Tyson comparison, because very early on in Mike's career people saw Mike's talent and saw the way Mike was knocking people out. Same way, early on, kendrick was knocking these albums out the park. They say, man, that's the champ, that's somebody that can go down as the greatest who ever did it.
Speaker 2:If they stay on this trajectory, cole's kind of Holyfield, in the sense that the whole time that Mike was the man, well, holyfield was around whooping people's ass too. He just wasn't getting the notoriety and the shine like Mike because he wasn't exciting as a figure. Notoriety and the shine like Mike because he wasn't exciting as a figure and he was winning his fights as opposed to knocking a nigga out the way Mike was. You feel what I'm saying, but actually and we found this out when they fight the more fundamentally sound fighter, sound fighter. So when you put the fundamentally sound fighter in the ring with the heavy hitter, well, once he shows the chin to survive those blows, all those fundamentals and all that technique going to start taking over.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's what we missed in the Cole Kendrick thing. We missed the person who people thought could be the greatest ever because of how great they started out early on, versus the guy who won some rap shit is the most fundamentally sound guy from this generation. Like those two guys were supposed to fight and dance because the styles of the fight is part of what made it entertaining. Like that fight would have been more fun because Kendrick actually would have had to use the voices and the concepts and all that to beat Cole, because he wasn't about to beat Cole on those straight up and down rap shit. The same way Tyson wasn't about to outpunch and outpoint Holyfield in no fight, it's like you're not about to outdrab and outpunch Holyfield in no fight.
Speaker 2:You might hit more power punches, but you're not going to beat him in a fight that goes 12 rounds that way, and Mike's people knew that and Holyfield's people knew that. And that's where the J Cole bow out is problematic, because we missed out on a great fight in terms of star power, but also in terms of the fundamentals of the game and looking at how things, kind of you know, diverge in one division together, so to speak.
Speaker 1:But keep it real. Would it have been the like the Spurs versus the Pistons NBA finals?
Speaker 2:for hip hop. Well, first of all, I happened to find game six and game seven of those NBA finals to be fucking brilliant basketball games.
Speaker 1:I'm just asking questions.
Speaker 2:Game six and seven of the Spurs versus the Pistons was some of the best basketball that you'll find. Was it entertaining.
Speaker 1:Was it entertaining? I mean watching Rasheed.
Speaker 2:I'm a basketball fan. Watching Rasheed Wallace and Tim Duncan go at it is forever in my mind entertaining, yes.
Speaker 3:Forever Rasheed.
Speaker 2:Wallace and Tim Duncan and their primes going at it. If that's not like, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm glad you're making the basketball analogy, but Drake is necessary for this battle just for the eyes to be on it, because we're talking basketball. Drake is very much like LeBron, a polarizing figure. People tune in to see LeBron in the playoffs when he's playing for the Lakers, either to A see him win or B see him lose, but he's going to have all the eyes on him, regardless. People who don't even care about basketball are going to watch to see what happens to LeBron. That's why Drake is very necessary for this battle, because it draws all the eyes into hip hop that otherwise wouldn't pay attention to it. Now, if it was Kendrick and Cole, it wouldn't have near as many eyes on this battle as it has right now.
Speaker 2:No, but, but. But you are talking about Drake, and so inserting anybody in there in his place takes the numbers down like anybody. It doesn't matter who you were to put in his place takes the numbers down Anybody, it doesn't matter who you were to put in his place. I don't know how fair that is to Cole and Kendrick, because they are multi-platinum without Drake they are that. Forest Hills Drive is like Diamond, isn't it no?
Speaker 1:Not even close no.
Speaker 3:A single might be.
Speaker 1:That's right, I want to. No, I don't think so. No, a single might be.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want to tie all this up to Coop's previous point about giving Drake more credit for the bar work he's doing and how Kendrick had to step his game up, because that was a very important point and connected to what you were saying, sean, about this matchup of them not being in the same weight class. Right, how I'm going to connect that is if people are really. You know, like I said, elliot already started started the narrative on hip-hop dx that this might be the best battle of all time for me. It can't be, because I'm gonna use jay-z and nas again. Those were the two best mcs walking the planet earth.
Speaker 1:Right, they clashed at the top and then a victor came out of it yeah but at the end of the day, drake versus kendrick, it's a large group of people that don't think, like Sean, that Drake should even belong in Kendrick's class.
Speaker 2:So this battle's not revealing though.
Speaker 1:Hold up. Let me finish the point. You know what I'm saying, just to kind of lay it all out there, just so all cards are up top. So if people are not giving Drake the credit as a worthy competitor against Kendrick, then it's not really the best. It can't be both ways. You can't say that this is the greatest battle of all time and then the two competitors ain't on the same level, the math ain't mapping to that which brings Coop to his point about. People need to put more respect on Drake's name as an MC for what Kendrick is having to do technical-wise to come out on top of this battle.
Speaker 2:So I'm going to submit something to both of you and to our audience. This can't be the greatest battle of all time, because these guys aren't in their prime. No, neither one of them. So let's go to another boxing analogy. This is more Mayweather Pacquiao three or four or five years too fucking late. There you go. That's exactly what it is. So when people and I don't care who it is reference the Nas and Jay thing and say they were the two best MCs, they weren't just like the two best MCs. They were the two best MCs. They weren't just like the two best MCs. At the time that the battle happened, both of them could lay claim to the fact that no, I'm one of the three, four, five greatest MCs that's ever lived. The stakes are different when that type of shit is on the line.
Speaker 2:And the battle was telling in the sense that a lot of people, and rightfully so, felt like Nas was past his prime actually and he proved through the battle very much still in my prime, with Jay in his prime, which means a prime Nas and a prime Jay. Well, that's two of the top five MCs that have ever walked this planet. Stakes are totally different. This planet stakes are totally different. Right Like, the stakes are way, way higher when you're talking about two of the five best to ever do it, doing it with each other in their prime. This is not two of the top five by any means, on any level to either one of them. I don't care what either one of their fan bases say, and it's not happening in their prime. So it could never be the greatest battle of all time. Just on the precipice of those two things Facts.
Speaker 1:So it could never be the greatest battle of all time, just on the precipice of those two things facts.
Speaker 3:And we're still debating nas and jay-z 23 years later, you know.
Speaker 1:So I mean just off that strength alone can we get a super chat real quick before we move on. Oh, let's see um, we got a 20 super chat. It's from uh, cj the kid um media rewriting history and not counting the other Rapvengers disses as a part of the timeline, yet count seven minute drill. In reality it wasn't Dot versus Drake, it was the Rapvengers versus Drake. That's facts. We need to record this correctly.
Speaker 2:But people don't want him to address everybody else, though, and for everybody, and this is what I mean when I'm saying they're not in their prime anymore. If everybody else, so for everybody, and this is what I mean when I'm saying they're not in their prime anymore. If y'all think that Kendrick or Drake for that matter is about the like, if you think Kendrick's about to do something better than section 80 or to pimp a butterfly or good kid mad city at this stage in his career, I think you're fucking kidding yourself. I won't need to see it. If you think Drake is going to make something better than if you're reading this you're already too late. Or take care, or thank me later I think you're fucking kidding yourself. That means you're not in your prime anymore. That doesn't mean that you can't be great. It doesn't mean that you're not great. It just means you're not in your prime anymore. Yeah, we got to oh go ahead.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, and I'm done. And it's deeper than just doing features. That's why Cole's album is still so important. It's like, oh no, you're only the best MC by what we hear based on these features. Go make an album that proves that. Go make an album reflective of the guest appearances. Wayne went on. Wayne has been on a guest appearance tear the last five years, but the albums, the projects that he have dropped, haven't been up to par with what the appearances are Not at all. The appearances are stellar, like all of them.
Speaker 1:The album was just OK, it mattered. Yeah, we got another $10 super chat from the homie 007. Salute to you. He says sorry guys, this will forever be the question. Not only is drake, uh, not a better rapper he didn't say that he was, um but we don't know if drake even wrote all of the bars. You got to master your craft and we will always question his pen. I can see still questioning his pen to a degree, but nobody, you know, none of us ever, ever, considered Drake a better rapper than Kendrick. Like, let's be for real, nobody even fixed their mouth to say that. But he's proved himself a worthy competitor.
Speaker 2:And like.
Speaker 1:I said, hip hop fans can't have it both ways. You can't overhype this as the best battle of all time and then say that one of his competitors is not even in the same realm or rate class as the other guy, that that just doesn't add up. Ok, but to that point would either All right, sean. To your point would either of you consider any of these records. Any of them better than takeover no calm down.
Speaker 2:That's crazy right that's my point.
Speaker 1:Okay, and we we know ether is off the board, so therefore it can't. It has the right it has, it has the quantity there, but the quality is not on the level of these disc records. Therefore, I don't know what Elliot's talking about, but it can't be the best battle of all time he's bought.
Speaker 2:I think another better comp would be like well, is this better than Drop A Gym or Back Down? Yeah, absolutely this better than drop a gym or back down?
Speaker 3:yeah, absolutely not better than those. Not to me stakes the stakes were higher but as you mentioned it you mentioned it earlier when I look at battles I look at what the stakes. What are the stakes? Because if drake comes back, if drake comes back from this, he continues to do what he do where the stakes high enough. When nas and jay do where the stakes high enough.
Speaker 3:When Nas and Jay went at it, the stakes are very high. Because if Nas did not respond with ether, we might not be talking about sun Like we talk about sun today, because Jay was trying to take Nas out of here Period and it wasn't on some like it was personal, but it was also on some rap shit because it was competition. Jay knew that for him to be the one nas had to go and now I said so he nas had to respond the way he responded on ether, no different than with back down to 50 and ja 50's mission was to take ja out the game period all the way, every all of his energy, all of his energy was going directly into taking Ja out.
Speaker 3:So the stakes were so high because Ja was on such a high, on a high wave, going triple every time, every single time, effortlessly. Physical copies, walking Guys in the club singing Ja Jones you know the hooks so for him to overnight the industry, rappers, including, of course, 50, let the charge they all turn against Ja, and Ja is no more Like people that don't know. They don't know that. Look at these goofies, people that don't know. They don't know. You know what I'm saying. So it's one of those things where one I'm going to say this and we can move on, of those things where one I'm gonna say this so we can move on. Um, one of your only your folks in the chat who I don't know. They don't know me, so they might be addressing you.
Speaker 3:I saw a2h in the comment. They don't yo real talk. Y'all see my head. I'm not a podcaster. Y'all don't know me, so don't at me with anything, because I can pull up anywhere anytime. But and my point I'm making is, when 50 dropped back down, that whole thing was all about I'm taking him out of here and I got Aftermath behind me and we're going to do a concerted effort with Interscope to take him up out of here. I don't know if this is that. I think Kendrick is saying I don't like this guy, I'm going to knock him off his pedestal and that's it. He's too cocky, he's too arrogant, I'm taking him out of here. And the hip hop community is saying, yeah, he's a little arrogant, he's a little cocky, let's get him out of here. And everybody is getting behind Kendrick to push homie out of here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a concerted effort, Even if Kendrick does win this, do we look at it a certain way with an asterisk?
Speaker 3:And I'm just asking questions because technically he's had some help.
Speaker 2:The industry and rappers. Quite frankly, because here's the thing about the notoriety Drake always gets to pull the card. Well, y'all are doing this about my notoriety because, no matter what your notoriety is, no matter how high you think you sit up on this food chain of notoriety, your notoriety doesn't match mine, which means it looks like you're coming for me about my notoriety.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and Kendrick he's rapping at a high level and even if he's not acknowledging the help or doesn't want the help from everybody else, he's still getting it. So it kind of looks funny in a certain and nobody's standing beside drake right now.
Speaker 1:So I mean it's kind of it's kind of crazy, but um, but yeah, we talked about, if any of these, oh, real quick, the five dollar super chat from michael williams. Salute to you. It says coop. By that logic, nas and jay were past their primes in 2001 too. 2001 Nas and Jay are not the same as 94 to 96 Nas and 96 to 97 Hov. Let me please answer that one Goodness gracious.
Speaker 2:Can you go ahead and fix that?
Speaker 3:Did you know how big Paul's Jay was in 2001? Did you know who this guy was?
Speaker 1:We just had the draft and Sean just took 2001 J over 96.
Speaker 2:Okay 2001 J in terms of notoriety. At the time that he had the notoriety, the only thing that had rivaled his notoriety in terms of how he was viewed by rap peers, rap media and the public in general is only matched by 88 Rock M. That's how big he was. He was.
Speaker 3:Rock M in 88. He was the absolute one.
Speaker 1:I was bringing Michael Jackson on stage.
Speaker 3:I was about to say. You can say 97 J lyrically was the hungriest and the best. But 2001 J was out of here by this time. He was becoming global by this time. You're talking about someone who was out of here by this time. He was becoming global.
Speaker 2:By this time you're talking about someone who was out of here and still had the blueprint in tow, which is still one of his two best albums. He made one of the two best albums of his career in 2001,. In addition to the position he sat in, nas made Stillmatic and then followed it with Godson and the Lost States. What are we talking about?
Speaker 3:Ted Hill, you're right, 97j was dope, but he also made.
Speaker 2:Sunshine.
Speaker 1:See, they're talking about 97J Initial Primes versus Second Primes.
Speaker 2:They talking 97J the lyricists. You're talking 96Niles the lyricists, the artists that they were in 2001. They were capable of making the types of songs they were at their zenith? Yeah, they weren't capable of making.
Speaker 3:They were legends because they survived everything that happened in 90. Remember 96 was too big in hip-hop yeah big and park 96 park too much.
Speaker 3:They, they were the two that came out of that, you know. I mean, they were the ones who survived that because by this time let's keep it above, god bless the dead dmx is tapering off by 2001. So it was all about who was consistent at this time, because x came on and knocked everything out the park and and he was tapering off by 01. So you only had Jay who was the top dog at this time. I was in Japan when Jay was going, when he was singing to the top and people, the locals in Japan, knew every song on Give it To Me. He was making songs like that. He was making these huge songs but staying lyrical and being and Blueprint was conversation. Jay coming full circle. That was him knocking everything out of the park. You have volume two, volume three, the dynasty, and here comes a blueprint.
Speaker 1:He is out of here and let's not pretend yeah, sorry, man cut you off. Go ahead, sean.
Speaker 3:That's what that's why he went at prodigy and Nas, because in his mind he's like yo, I'm out of here right now. Nas is weakened because he's not getting love off of Nostradamus, although with platinum, people are questioning him right now, although it's only a year apart. But this is my time to strike. Prodigy just came off of HNIC, which was heralded as a great album. It was solid, it went gold, but it didn't go platinum as we projected it go platinum during that time. So Jay was like okay, he's mine and he's mine. It's time for me to take them out the way so I can be the number one dog in front of every single body. There are no more questions. There are no more questions. Let me be the number one dog. And he did it. He missed out. He didn't think Ether was going to come out. The rest is history.
Speaker 2:He wanted to unify all the belts. He wanted to unify all the belts.
Speaker 3:Perfect way of putting it. There you go. Daniel did that.
Speaker 1:He did. And to your point, sean, 97 Jay was just going platinum for the first time, right. And 2001 Jay. Yeah, barely, barely On top of that. I don't care what nobody say. Blueprint people say is no such thing as an instant classic. Yes, there is, everybody who heard.
Speaker 3:Blueprint put up.
Speaker 1:Everybody who heard Blueprint the first time they listened to it. It's like yo. This has all the makings of a classic. So it was an infant classic out of the gate.
Speaker 2:It plays like a classic album, more than song for song. It's like a classic album. It feels classic when you hear it.
Speaker 1:But we all knew when we first heard it Reasonable Doubt was different. Reasonable. Doubt was a retrospective classic. Like it was one of those things.
Speaker 2:When the ruler's back came on, you knew, you knew it was like oh, it was like oh, it's on, it's on, yes.
Speaker 3:As soon as it come on, you're like, oh my goodness, he got this. And then he H to the Izzo, he got that Once again ladies and gentlemen, this is what we call objectivity.
Speaker 1:This is three guys that think Nas is the goat and we are waxing poetic about Jay right now.
Speaker 3:Not think we know he's the goat, but he had Nas. He has son.
Speaker 1:On the ropes.
Speaker 2:He had him on the ropes he had him in a figure four leg. I love Jay. I still play. I play lyrical exercise all the time, still to this day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, listen yeah, and again, that's I get it. I think the homie I forgot the homie's name, but he was saying 97J. Yeah, 97j was special, but he also may I know what girls like? Um, can we get the?
Speaker 2:super chats yeah we'll get the super chats, and then I want to um and sunshine.
Speaker 3:We'll get the super chat, and then I want to We'll get the super chats.
Speaker 1:And then I got a request.
Speaker 3:And he did a video for he did a video For that show yeah.
Speaker 1:He did a kid With the $5 super chat. He said Isn't everyone MC producers, singers, podcasters Turning on Drake like Ja Rule? That's Sean's point earlier. There are even salsa versions of BBL Drizzy the elimination of Drake. Kanye slipped up and said it. He said we are all excited for the elimination of Drake. You know what I mean. They're like when Not Like Us comes on. They're practically dancing on his grave. But you know he's going to come out with more music.
Speaker 2:If you don't have haters, you're not trying hard enough, and so this is a testament to this man's work ethic.
Speaker 3:Right Haters got to be careful, though, man, because they bark up that tree, that tree will fall on them. And then, michael, don't play with a guy, man. That's not a podcast.
Speaker 1:I lost that super chat. It was by Michael Williams. Let's see We'll come back to that one. Oh yeah, here we go. Michael Williams said with the $5 super chat, appreciate it. I'm talking about lyrical prom, about Nas and Jay in 2001. I know Jay was at a Zenith in 2001 in terms of stardom, so that's fair.
Speaker 1:If you're talking about their lyrical primes, then you could argue 96 Nas is definitely his lyrical prime and um yeah 97 Hov, like, yeah, if you're talking about lyrics, um, before we move on from all the beef stuff you know, uh shout out to the homie Stax. Uh, he was mentioning, um, this list that the Ringer put out. It was a long list too. It had like about 80 plus disc records ranked all time, and I don't want to spend too much time on this, but I'm going to go over the top five and I have to tip my cap to Coop this one time, because you know he'll get it. Just this one time I'll tip my cap to you, Coop.
Speaker 2:So what's number one on the list? Ag?
Speaker 1:well, I'm gonna get to that. Number five is Story of Adidon. Number five is Story of Adidon. Number four is Takeover, because I don't care what anybody says, takeover is definitely like that Takeover is a perfect record.
Speaker 2:Takeover is a top five diss record yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Number three is ether, and this is where I have to tip my cap to coop. I'm not agreeing, but I'll give them the edge, because no Vaseline is number two, and then number one would be hit them up, which I think is mistaken. I think if it's not ether, it has to be no Vaseline that's crazy.
Speaker 2:I don't have hit them up in my top ten.
Speaker 1:I think it's top ten but I don't have hit them up in my top ten. I think it's top ten but I don't think it's in the top five. But being that story of Adidon is in the top five, quick question and then we'll move on. Are any of these Kendrick records towards Drake better than the story of Adidon?
Speaker 3:No, I'm talking about pushing man.
Speaker 2:So this is for all the people that think I'm such a big Drake fan. People who know me know this my favorite MC post Nas his first prime is probably Pusha T from 2006, all the way up into King's Disease 2. Pusha T's been my favorite MC for the better part of the last 15 years. So I'm actually a Pusha T guy. So I'm actually not like really technically a Drake guy, cause Pusha T has actually been my favorite rapper of this generation. Okay, like, like that's just for me. Infrared story of Adidon and Exodus, clear, all of these records. In my opinion, I can dig like all three of the all three of the all three of those records clear to me, but I'll tell you, when it comes to him I'm biased Cause that's my favorite guy.
Speaker 2:You feel me Like if I'm making my personal list it's like, oh no, he's one of the dudes. It's like he might not make it top 10 all time, but be top 10 on my list, yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's okay to admit your biases.
Speaker 3:If you biased, stand on that.
Speaker 1:Don't say you biased. And then I mean don't act biased and say you objective. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:So like for all the Drake talk. It's like I'm actually biased about Pusha T, like I'm a Pusha T fan, right. Like when Drake come to town, it's like, yeah, if I'm free I'll go, I'll put your tea.
Speaker 3:Come to town. I'm taking off, I'm going. I'm the homie you're talking about. Ronald Young, I apologize, I heard your feelings. My bad, that's the Queens in me. My apologies, I'm just aggressive. I'm just aggressive. I'm working on that. Though you going to therapy, I'm drinking water.
Speaker 2:I'm drinking more water. Mental health is real. That's why I didn't like the Mr Morale album, because it's like no, no, no, I got my own mental health issues. Nobody wants to hear about your rich ass being depressed.
Speaker 3:I do apologize, though. I apologize to anyone out there who listens to what we talk about. If I offend anybody, I apologize. I love hip-hop, I'm passionate about hip-hop, I love my dudes and I'm just. You know, I'm just who.
Speaker 2:I am. I apologize. What else we got on the?
Speaker 3:dock, I will pull up on your door. I'm not even going front. You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean. So, moving on from the beef topic, you know we got some new music coming out, so we we wrapping up the Kendrick thing, kendrick and Drake stuff. Hopefully we get some more records out of it and no violence comes of it going forward.
Speaker 2:but no, be the key. Like absolutely All I want these dudes do is to finish wrapping it out. Stop shooting up houses and vandalizing stores so we can get back to this rap shit.
Speaker 1:No doubt, no doubt. So we got some new music coming out. We'll start kind of light before we get into the albums dropping.
Speaker 3:Leroy, I know what it is.
Speaker 1:Queens, get the money, big Hit and Hip Boy and Alchemist announced a joint project coming out called. They didn't announce the title of it. And Alchemist announced a joint project coming out called oh, they didn't announce the title of it, but they did a little parody of the Office, you know, announcing the album and they put out a record called Foreclosure. Did you guys happen to hear that one?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:I did it's great what y'all think the beat's crazy Like and big hits Aggressive on it.
Speaker 3:I love what they're doing. I love what they're doing. I love what they're doing. They're keeping it hip-hop, man. They're not getting caught up into the vacuum of what's going on out here. They're doing what they're doing, man. You got to respect that. You got to respect Hip-Boy for what he's been doing. Coop, no Hip-Boy's fam. You know what I mean. He's part of the family. His run is impeccable. His run is impeccable, man. We don't talk about that enough. We don't talk about what he's doing, not just for Nas but for his father. Your father, come back home and you're dropping music with your father and your father sounds great. You know what I mean. Like that should be a story within itself. That should be. That should be honestly championed, more than we are seen as being champion.
Speaker 1:That should be a headline.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say this without exaggerating at all. He has gotten to a point as a producer where every time I hear a beat from him it just succinctly sounds better than the other beats people are doing.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I just mean that with all seriousness. He is the best producer right now. His beats are just better.
Speaker 1:But here's what's scary he's teaming up with the other best producer and alchemist.
Speaker 2:Like it's alchemist Metro and hit.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah. And if we're basing on cause, I mean, even though it came out the top of the year and music moves fast, that EP that they put out together was crazy.
Speaker 2:It was. But here's the thing about it. This is what I'm saying Like let's go to Benny's album. Go listen to the Hit-Boy tracks on Benny's album, then listen to the Alchemist tracks. It's like he's creating some separation between him and Alchemist and Metro. That's what I mean. Yeah, absolutely, he's actually like it's kind of been them three, but he's like starting to separate himself to the point where it's like, well, every time we get a beat from him, not like one out of two, not two out of three, but if you're getting a three piece from him, oh, you're gonna need a biscuit because he's giving you three wings no doubt absolutely.
Speaker 1:And the music is coming at a rapid rate. So you know, nas is off doing his thing with a dj premiere, but hip boy ain't stopped working. He's still cooking up, you know. So salute the hip boy. Big hit now commence. We're looking forward to that project.
Speaker 2:That's going to be a beat tape for that ass For sure.
Speaker 1:Before we get to the next project, we got a $5 super chat from Tracy G With Cole. Seeing this, does he continue with his features? For me to answer it, I don't think Cole does any more features until the fall off comes out. I think he's just falling all the way back until his album drop. Personally, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm better come out this year. Oh, it definitely will. It definitely will yeah.
Speaker 1:My man's on the beach with a laptop and headphones. He's probably listening to the album as we speak and his and his peace Sleeping much better. Yeah, I think I think I did see that on the laptop. I think I saw a show on the laptop.
Speaker 2:Go ahead and click like and subscribe Cole.
Speaker 3:Do it for Carolina player Do it for. Carolinas.
Speaker 1:We're coming down to your neck of the woods. What's your expectations for the Gunna and the Future albums coming out?
Speaker 2:I expect Gunna's album to be better, because Gunna's in his prime and future is not Came out, true. Am I saying anything wrong? Am?
Speaker 3:I saying anything.
Speaker 2:That's not true If we're talking about artists from Atlanta. The last 10 years. Nobody's got a better track record than Gunna.
Speaker 1:Gunna's last album was tough. Gunna's last album was tough. Gunna's last album was tough.
Speaker 2:So was the album before that and the album before that yeah.
Speaker 1:Now, what about Future? Do you think that you know, with these two albums with Metro, that you know he might be running out of steam and this album might not be as good because he's coming off two back-to-back albums?
Speaker 2:First of all, I enjoy both of those albums. I like Volume 1 better than Volume 2. Same, I agree, but Volume 2 is also a different vibe. That's toxic autotune R&B future. Yeah, I was impressed with the first one, but that doesn't change the fact that Gunn is in his prime and he's been consistently making great music. When I mean great music, he's great with features, he's great with hooks. He's great with the album making process. He's great with the single making process. Can you tell me that Future is going to do all of the things? Because Gunna right now can do all of the things and has a resume over the last five years and the last three albums that show he can do all of the things.
Speaker 3:Right right.
Speaker 2:Like Wanna is fire, dsl Forever is fire. I forget the name of the last one. Fuck you Mean On Me. No, no, no, he's made three really dope albums the last time he's come out. And he's come out and he's had dope ass singles to go with him and he's had dope ass features to go with him. And, even though metro might not be fucking with him, beat wise. Uh, who? Um, one of the three that he was one of the three cores still with him. It's not wheezy out of here. Um, I should know my shit better. I'm the atlanta nigga but, like one of the homies is still down and so, like production wise, he's still in pocket too. And so, although I prefer future, I'm also going to be objective and tell you the gun is probably going to make the better project the better project. I'd be really surprised, but in a good way.
Speaker 1:Well, because you framed it like that, when I do get around to listen to them, they're not going to be the first thing I go to, but when I do get around to listen to those, I'm going to be listening to them, comparatively, just because of how you framed it now. So, but, um, but I'll tell you what I will be listening to first. You know, come midnight you see the shirt.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hey G. You know where Steph and LeBron and KD are right now.
Speaker 1:No, they at home.
Speaker 2:You know where Embiid is? Oh, at home chilling. You know where Giannis is. All of them at home, dane.
Speaker 1:You know all the dudes we came up on.
Speaker 2:You know where they are right now. You know where they're at home Because Anthony Edwards is stepping into his prime. Shea Gillius Alexander stepping into his prime Lucas in his prime. Shea Gillius Alexander stepping into his prime Lucas in his prime.
Speaker 1:So you're saying that's gone.
Speaker 2:Jason Tatum is in his prime. Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown they're in their prime right now, right now, right now. Jalen Brunson is in his prime right now. He's in his prime right now.
Speaker 1:That's who's playing right now. That's fair point. So you're saying, because Gunn is in the prime right now, he's going to be better in the future?
Speaker 2:you know when old niggas win? Old niggas win when old niggas realize they old and team up together. That's why future Metro just came together. Yep, you telling me, he going back out on a mixtape solo mission and he's coming out the same day. Gunn is right, nah, fam, going back out on a mixtape solo mission and he's coming out the same day. Gunn is Right, nah, fam, I'm going to need future to realize it's like okay, look here, kd, you're going to have to go to Golden State or go to LA and play with LeBron or play with Steph if you want another ring.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's going to come down to that.
Speaker 2:Is that winning the ring solo? It's going to come down to that. You're still great. You still might make an all-NBA team. Give me 27 points a game. You're not in your prime. You're not the prime version of yourself. You're not the prime version of yourself.
Speaker 1:But since you framed it like that, that's how I'm going to listen to it, and if Gunna's album is not better than that future album, I'm going to come back on here and cook you next week.
Speaker 2:I'll be album's, not better than that Future album I'm going to come back on here and cook you next week.
Speaker 3:I'm surprised.
Speaker 2:What evidence do you have that Future's album is about to be better than Gunna's album? What's the last Future album that you put on. What's the last Future album that you put on and was like that's my shit Because I can go to Gunna's last three albums and be like man. That's the shit.
Speaker 1:The Metro and Future Joy. The first one. We don't trust you. The first one, not the second one.
Speaker 2:That is not better than any of Gunna's last three projects.
Speaker 1:No, it's not better than Gunna's last album, but I wasn't even comparing them to Cass.
Speaker 2:It's not better than Gunna's last three albums. It's not better than Gunna's last three albums.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying, Kru.
Speaker 2:The DS Forever when that came out. All you had to do was ride around the east side when I mean everybody in the city, yeah, but that's what I'm saying because of how you framed it.
Speaker 1:I'm going to listen to it comparatively now, because I wasn't even going to do that before, so you just made it more interesting for me. But what will? No doubt, but what will get my first listen? You see the logo, you see the signal? Yo, sean, I'm gonna pass it to you because I know ghost is your guy. What is your expectations for this ghost album?
Speaker 3:I'm I'm happy for it. Man, like to go back to the gunner thing, unless y'all tell me I have to listen to it so we can do review. But I'm full disclosure. I'm being honest, I'm not gonna. I don't have expectations for I'm gonna or for future album. Respectfully, I may skim through it, but um, but now you do the game to it, just skim to it, skim through it.
Speaker 1:Man, I may come on here and cat like I listen to it. Don't give enough credit for that bar man drake, drake got bars in there for real.
Speaker 3:I may come on here and try to coast with y'all, you know, just to keep the conversation going, but I don't have much to say. But no, I'm excited for Ghost man. This is his first project on Mass Appeal Records, also part of the family. I'm excited for it, like my expectations for Ghost. Y'all know Ghost, nas is my number one. Of course. Ghost is my number two all time. My personal number two all time. If Nas is one A, ghost is my number two all time. My personal number two all time. If Nas is 1A, ghost is 1B. For me, ghost has been the most consistent and stellar out of the Woo. So you know that holds weight for me, especially with the Woo catalog. You know from a group as well as individuals. Ghost has been the most consistent since day one.
Speaker 3:I don't know how this album is going to turn out. I think I saw some people put in the chat that they already heard it. I think those who across the sea already heard it. I'm hearing mixed things about it. I'll listen to it when I get on my flight tomorrow so I'll be able to process it and really dive into it. I'm looking forward to it. See all of the uh, the features that they have on it. I wish there were more. I wish there was some RZA on there, man like Ghost and RZA, or even Ghost and True Master, um, or Ghost and Fourth Disciple, like I just wanted something from that whole lineage like give me that nostalgia because Ghost goes crazy on a true master, or or RZA beat, and I wish I had that. To be honest, I don't know these other producers. I know he's working. I think Kanye is on one of the joints. I'm not sure if he's producing it, but you heard it already.
Speaker 1:No, he said I'm sorry to hear that.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know, Ye can probably give Ghost a nostalgia.
Speaker 1:Now it was that initial rumor that Kanye was supposed to produce all of Supreme Clientele 2, so I wonder if this is like an outtake from what that was supposed to be, because you know, anything Kanye says coming out usually never comes out.
Speaker 2:First of all, as soon as I heard Supreme Clientele 2 was being produced by Kanye, I was like we're never hearing Supreme Clientele 2. Let's get to the next Goat album.
Speaker 3:This is it.
Speaker 2:This is it.
Speaker 3:He's not wrong, he's not, he's not.
Speaker 1:Can I play you?
Speaker 3:something OJ is an album. Go ahead please.
Speaker 2:Before I go, I want to list all the features that are on this album of notoriety. Yes, he's got Jim Jones, he's got Sheik, he's got Meth, he's got Ray, he's got October London, who I actually happen to like? The guy who sounds like Marvin Nas Kanye, fat Joe Ja Rule, az Busta Rhymes Remy Martin yep naz kanye, fat joe ja rule, az buster rhymes remy martin sean. I'm gonna echo some of your sentiments. I'm not even saying I want to see riz's production. When I see this guest lineup list I'm like no, I want to see riz of the executive producer piece these parts together for him supreme clientele style. Because I think one thing people miss about supreme clientele supreme clientele actually has a lot of features, but it feels like ghost shit right not this many not this many, though not, oh, not, not this many.
Speaker 2:that's why I read it out. But when you take on a task like this because, because, a, I love Ghost, he's more like 8, 9, 10 on my list somewhere all the time, right.
Speaker 2:Back into my top 10, objectively speaking, like for me. Okay, but with all these features, I'm worried about it not sounding like a Ghost album on some Wu-Tang shit. Right, like I want to hear. I don't want to hear some Wu-Tang shit, but I do want to hear Ghost in his Wu-Tang chamber and all of these guest appearances make me worry. Okay, so the meth and the Ray joint is going to be the Wu-Tang shit and the rest of it is going to be around the place.
Speaker 3:And if it's going to be around the place, I would prefer a mind like RZA.
Speaker 2:Have those executive producer controls to kind of piece and parse through it. Yeah, put his hands on the project. Not even necessarily beats right and so my worry is is that this is going to come off more like a compilation project than a ghost album right but, ghost is a strong enough personality that it can still feel like a ghost album.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, but I'm glad you brought up that point. Cool, because we just got to start being objective about our favorites. Because, because that was my main concern, because I hit Sean like right after the track list came out. I was like, bro, what you think about this track list? I was like to me it looked like a compilation.
Speaker 1:You know, and you know we say the same thing about Jay on volume two. You know he only got like one, or you know, got two songs, him solo, and as great as that album is, that's one of the knocks we have for it. So you know, I just want to keep it consistent across the board with our favorites and say that's one of my big worries too about the album. But, like coop said, ghost is a strong enough personality where the whole album can still sound like his chamber, with people you know coming in and out of the chamber for features. So that's what I'm hoping comes out of this album. So what did Scar Tissue do for you all's expectations on the album? How did you all feel about that record?
Speaker 3:I wanted more falls. To be honest with you, that's the first time we got Nas and Ghost together.
Speaker 1:Just them two, 29 years since they've been on the track together.
Speaker 3:Right, I'm talking about just only them two.
Speaker 3:Just them two, correct, just them two. So I kind of really wanted to hear maybe another verse of them, kind of you know, tossing the mic back and forth, pause. I wish that happened. I still loved it because you got again. You got my number one, my number two on one album, on one song, so I was good with that.
Speaker 3:But again, riz a beat. I wanted a riz a. I want a riz a beat. I just that's my only thing, that's my only take back from it. Now. I sounded like nas. I mean he sounded like nasty. You know, when nas rap alongside someone like a ray or a ghost, you can his octaves go up a little. The thing that's wanting to take back from it. Now. I sounded like nas. I mean he sounded like nasty. You know, when niles rap alongside someone like a ray or ghost, you can his optics go up a little bit more. You know he gets a little bit more grungy, you know I mean he, you can tell that he's reaching into that, that space that he has. And um, I feel like that's what he gave us on that record and honestly I think he watched. He watched um ghost Ghost on that joint too in that verse easily.
Speaker 1:I'm going to get to that Coop. What you got, bro.
Speaker 2:Okay, so this is a record. I like the record. I don't love it. It's just good to me. It's nothing special. It's from two special guys, so my expectation is special and two special guys to get together, even though I know you're not always going to get that. Um, okay, so I'm a little worried about ghosts because Nas sounds. Nas sounds better than him now, more so than he ever did. Like ghost is around for peak Nas 95, 96. Not you know what I mean. Like he's around for that guy and he can box with that guy. This guy can't box with this version of Nas and although this version of Nas is a is a special dude and kind of like a case study unto itself.
Speaker 2:The thing that bothered me most about the record is that vocally, just vocally we don't even got to break down the bars. Vocally, nas has kept himself preserved more than ghost has. Ghost sounds a little different, like his voice is more gravelly now. It doesn't pierce the way that it used to, and about that I think there may need to be a little bit more style adaptation to fit the voice change that we hear taking place, and so when you put him on a record and not still sound like he's 25, you know what I'm saying that doesn't balance out the record well and that's why I'm worried for this project.
Speaker 2:For this project, bar-wise Ghost sounds more like 93 to 96 Ghost in the sense that there's no Tony Stark's supercalifragilist vernacular going on. With Ghost on this record it's kind of closer to Enter the Wu-Tang Iron man Purple Tape Ghost in terms of the straightforward, rough-edge approach that he used to employ, and I don't mind the style. I'm just hoping that vocally, because he's not where he used to be, that there's going to be some switch ups and delivery and pace, because it doesn't hit the same when he punches because his voice is not piercing through like it used to.
Speaker 1:Yes, yeah, I'm. I'm glad you all said that, cuz I'ma echo the same sentiments. Um, my expectation level for this record was I don't wanna say it was out the roof, but it was really hot. Um Right, you know two of the top, two of the top MCs ever that have great chemistry with one another, you know, thought it'd be easy knock out of the park. But when I first heard the record I was just like you know it. I thought it would be an easy knock out of the park. But when I first heard the record I was just like you know, it's cool, it's okay.
Speaker 1:To Sean's point, I was like it's too short. You know verses could have been longer, what have you? Then I listened you know that was in headphones and in the crib. Then I listened to it in the whip. It changed for me, like you know, I was liking the song a little bit more, liking the production a little bit more. But to your point about the bars, I felt like Ghost tried to come with a certain level of energy. I could tell you know he was, you know, trying to attack the track. But to Coop's point is just something in his voice that's not as piercing as it used to be, you know, with the change. You know, and that happens to us as we get older or whatever. You know, like we said, take care of your bodies or what have you, but the key difference is getting your reps, in getting your shots up in the gym.
Speaker 1:Nas is coming off six straight albums in the last few years. He's been putting a lot of shots up. You know Ghost. On the other hand, he's been putting a lot of shots up. You know ghost. On the other hand, he's been active his whole career. But his levels to it. One guy's been recorded 80 plus songs in the past few years. So you can hear that difference, that gap between them on the track. And you know the coops point. It was a little bit more disparaging than I would have liked it to be, but it's a big gap on the track.
Speaker 2:Hey, it's the difference between recording 100 songs over the course of the last three years versus recording 100 verses over the course of the last three years.
Speaker 1:That is a fact, and I think the last time we heard this was on Office Hours Because, although 50 still sounded dope in his delivery, to a degree you could tell he hadn't been in the gym. The proverbial you know lyrical gym, like Nas, has been over those past. You know five albums.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but he also wrapping up against one of the greatest of all time.
Speaker 2:He's also rapping against someone who's in a different pocket right now. Can I tell you the most troubling thing? That's not a great Nas verse and he's still stunning on Ghost, literally not exaggerating at all. Almost every verse on KD3 and Magic 3 is better than that verse, like every verse on those albums.
Speaker 3:Right, and that's yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like it's just, he didn't pop up on there to give us, you know, something that was going to be lyrical miracle or something that's going to blow your mind. It's like yo, I'm just going to get straight to it, get grungy with it. Well, going to get straight to it, get grungy with it. Well, I'm glad he didn't, because if he did that, then what would the gap look like? We would have had the same conversation with 50, because people hated on office hours because of 50. You know, I mean, we were banking on on office hours, uh, for an account for the dual numbers. But then when the fans and fans, you gotta, gotta support regardless. But when the fans started talking crazy about 50 messing the song up, it slowed down the traction of Office Hours.
Speaker 2:Office Hours is one of those records that should have been a classic, and that's how people Absolutely Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 3:But we also talking about 50, who hasn't been 50 in such a long time. The motivation is not there. This guy making money off of TV shows and everything you know I mean the 50 is not there. This guy making money off of TV shows and everything. You know what I mean. And 50 is not the same. He's not. And again, nas is in lyrical combat at this point. He's been prepping, he's been doing this, he's been going, he's been on his rounds. You know 50 has been on rounds like that. So putting him up against Nas, that's a tough battle. That's a tough battle to be on the same track.
Speaker 3:For anybody right now, for anybody. This guy's touring. He's got album mode right now. You know what I'm saying. He just came off of Six Bangers. He's doing loose. He's in between. He's giving masterclasses on how to write rhymes and how to bridge, doing everything. He's literally plugged in. He's plugged in Greatest MC of all time. He's in his weight class right now, coasting Really easy. He's in good condition. He's conditioned right now. He's up to guys in that condition.
Speaker 1:Does that wrap up the expectations for Ghost? Does anybody want to add anything? I know we talked about Conway, the last show. Does anybody want to add anything about the Conway album expectations?
Speaker 3:I'm looking forward to that one too. I'm looking forward to that. I'm very curious how it's going to sound. I wonder if Conway is going to go the Benny route and try to have a more robust sound this time around, as opposed to the last.
Speaker 2:So we're having this prime conversation again. So Conway's album should sound better than Ghost's album. It should, it should. Absolutely Conway's album should be better than Ghost's album, it should. So my expectation is that Conway's album is going to be better than Ghost's album. And so people are like, oh no, that's blasphemy. It's like no, no, it's not. You're thinking about fish scale ghost face. You're thinking about supreme clientele, bulletproof wallet, purple tape, iron man ghost face. Wu-tang forever ghost face. It's like right, you don't know if that ghost face still exists. See, people think that I was biased towards Kendrick. Like no, I ask these legitimate questions about any MC. That's proven that they have a level that very few people can get to because they have to understand. That's the level that you're judged against. I'm not judging Ghost based on anybody else's level.
Speaker 2:I'm judging Ghost based on Ghost's level.
Speaker 3:That's Iron man. That's level You're judging.
Speaker 2:Ghostface on Ghost's level yeah, once you reach a certain level. That's Supreme, that's Bulletproof.
Speaker 1:That's Big Doe.
Speaker 2:Rehab, that's Pretty.
Speaker 1:Tony album.
Speaker 2:Yes, how about this? For me, pretty Tony is at the bottom end of his quality part of his catalog.
Speaker 3:I had that Pretty Tony album. I had Pretty Tony. Pretty Tony album would be like fifth on your list. Where that Pretty Tony album? I had Pretty Tony.
Speaker 2:Pretty Tony album would be like fifth on your list. Where would Pretty Tony album be? That's like fifth on my Ghostface album list. It's about fifth or sixth on my list. If he can make something comparable to his fifth or sixth best album, I think that's an accomplishment, because it's fucking Ghost. I'm not expecting Supreme or Iron man.
Speaker 1:Do you think he can make something on the level of Fish Scale? Yeah, I mean he did with 12 Reasons to Die.
Speaker 3:Go back and listen to 12 Reasons to Die.
Speaker 2:I don't think it's Fish Scale level, just because I feel like the production on Fish.
Speaker 1:Scale 12 Reasons to Die. That's towards the bottom of my list when it comes to.
Speaker 2:Ghost Fish Scale has got Shaky Dog, it's got Kilo.
Speaker 3:With Ray it's got shaky dog, it's got kilo with ray, it's got the champ that just plays produce nine millie brothers.
Speaker 2:Nine millie brothers might be the last truly great wu-tang posse. Cut that. We got, yeah, it's got ragu, rain, ghost united. It's got the underwater track, it's got beat you with a strap yeah, yeah, it's a dope yeah for me, fish Scale is his last masterpiece. I love Fish Scale, I love.
Speaker 1:Fish Scale. Pretty Tony is special too, but I like Fish Scale better.
Speaker 2:Like Fish Scale to me is fourth on his list, third or fourth, like it's. For me it's Supreme Ironman, and then it's Bulletproof or Fish Scale, depending on how you feel. I would go. Bulletproof Fish Scale, then pretty Tony yeah, that's my order, supreme Ironman bulletproof fish scale. Pretty Tony yeah.
Speaker 1:We agree on something Good. So now we're going to transition into some stuff we may or may not agree about, but you know, I don't know if we don't need to call it because it's already 11.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we might have to. We probably have to oh we won't hold it. We probably going to have to hold this, we probably going to have to make the list out between ourselves and we'll start off the next show arguing about the versus part, because I think that'll be the fun part to actually argue. Because if we sit here and do that right now, we're going to be here for another hour and these people aren't going to be because, quite frankly, these niggas got to go to work, just like you and me.
Speaker 1:Unless the track drops tonight, then everybody will be up listening to this.
Speaker 2:And Vacay Sean, over here with the View. That's his new name, vacay Sean. This is not Vacay.
Speaker 3:I'm at work. That's why I said I can be in any city at any time.
Speaker 1:Don't get crazy. He became the West Virginia. That's wild. He had to check in with me first, though I did Okay, like on.
Speaker 2:Cali, shit, you got to check in with AG when you make it to West Virginia.
Speaker 3:That's a fact. That's a fact.
Speaker 2:I'm going to move that one up in the town.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're not checking in with much, but just check in. It's like J Prince in Houston, the town You're not checking in with much, but just checking in.
Speaker 2:It's like J Prince in Houston. It's like no, no, no. You should touch down. Make sure it's okay for your ass to come here.
Speaker 3:No doubt you don't want them deers to pop out, I'll make sure y'all straight you know what I'm saying. Yeah, no doubt, keep them deers off us, man, but yeah we'll revisit this De We'll revisit this. There's something in my yard, probably right now, bro, that's a check in.
Speaker 2:I mean there are deer tracks by my trash can every fucking night. Everybody knows I live in the woods. From years of watching me it's like I'm up in the cut.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, but we'll revisit this list and format it. We might have some more diss tracks to talk about next week, but yeah, let's call it right here, gentlemen, unless y'all got any closing remarks.
Speaker 3:I do Shout out to everyone who pulled up and listened to the show. Thank you all for supporting we're still growing as a team. Pause. We actually have a lot of downloads on Apple, so those of you who actually download on Apple, we appreciate that as well. We had seven hundred and eighty five downloads in two days for our last show. We are also at a thousand. Matter of fact, I think we just hit a thousand on Apple downloads. We appreciate the love. Shout out to Apple, shout out to Spotify, shout out to Amazon Prime, shout out to everybody who rocks with us, and we support everybody who rocks with us, and we support everybody who rocks with us as well. Hey Sean, hey Sean.
Speaker 2:I want to say shout out to you, and here's why I'm going to tell you shout out to you Because of the way that you've been handling all the behind scenes stuff between us, between everybody. So Sean is kind of like Sean is like Sean is on this pod with us in a lot of ways. So, so Sean is kind of like uh, sean is like Sean is on this pod with us in a lot of ways, like Sean is like our head coach. You know Sean. Sean is our point guard. He's the guy that navigates all of our shit behind the scenes, and it's refreshing for me the way that you share all the information, like we all know what's going on with downloads, youtube monetization hours, super chats. As a businessman, I respect you as a businessman because you've kept us covered and informed at all times. It's like if we see a spike in something, you're like here's what our numbers look like over here Immediately as soon as you get the numbers.
Speaker 2:you bring everything to us and keep it informational and educational for us and keep us in the loop about everything, and so we're galvanized behind the fact that it's like of all the behind the scenes work you do. I feel the same way about Stax and what Stax is doing behind the scenes. Same thing with what Andrew is doing. Andrew's nickname, Sean, needs to be Chop and Screw because he chops up our videos and he never screws up Word.
Speaker 3:That's a fact.
Speaker 2:Our chopped up videos are always on point Chop and Screw, andrew, and so like. Just shout out to the whole team. It's like what we're building and what we're putting together, it's not just us coming up here, we literally are planning behind the scenes. Absolutely, a certain young lady be on our neck behind the scenes.
Speaker 3:Right, talking crazy animal. You want to talk about the money.
Speaker 2:She was. You want to talk about some queens, get the money. She'd be like nigga. Is there any even money in what you're talking?
Speaker 3:about For no reason.
Speaker 2:It's like I was like yo. I said I was getting Chinese food. She's like I know.
Speaker 3:But let's get money. Yeah, animal dog man no, I appreciate that, bro we got a whole team.
Speaker 2:But no shout out to you, sean. You know what I'm saying, because you be handling a lot of stuff behind the scenes for us, and part of what makes it so easy to come out here up front and have the good time that we do is because all our behind the scenes are well covered.
Speaker 3:So no doubt. Appreciate that, bro, appreciate y'all, keep doing what y'all doing, man, and let's continue to get this money. So, yeah, we out Peace. Appreciate y'all, continue to like, share, subscribe all those great things and I'll be back next week Put up in your algorithm. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, peace out.