Step into our arena as we tackle the complexities of privilege and its effects on sports, especially when it comes to the media's portrayal of athletes like Caitlin Clark compared to her predecessors. It's a conversation that's as honest as it is necessary, peeling back the layers to reveal how we might leverage privilege for the betterment of all. But it's not all serious – join us for a behind-the-scenes glimpse at the BMF season three finale screening, where the glitz of Black Hollywood shines bright.
The temperature rises as we throw down over hip-hop rankings, dissecting whether one incredible album could ever catapult an artist into the sacred top five, when the thrones seem perennially occupied by legends. The debate doesn't stop there; we shift the spotlight onto the latest beats with Gunna, Ghostface, and Conway, and revel in the remarkable story of Hit-Boy making music with his father. Our absent co-host, Sean, might've missed this one, but we make sure to fill the air with enough hot takes and sharp insights to make up for it.
Wrapping things up, we scrutinize recent albums, pondering if they signify growth or just another notch in an artist's belt. Conway's latest drop is under the microscope, and we don't hold back on our takes – is it a fresh evolution or more of the same hard-hitting Griselda sound? Plus, we reminisce on how music can evoke a spectrum of emotions, sharing anecdotes that illustrate just how deeply a track like "Takeover" can hit. It's a rollercoaster of opinions, stories, and analysis, and you're strapped in for the ride.
Step into our arena as we tackle the complexities of privilege and its effects on sports, especially when it comes to the media's portrayal of athletes like Caitlin Clark compared to her predecessors. It's a conversation that's as honest as it is necessary, peeling back the layers to reveal how we might leverage privilege for the betterment of all. But it's not all serious – join us for a behind-the-scenes glimpse at the BMF season three finale screening, where the glitz of Black Hollywood shines bright.
The temperature rises as we throw down over hip-hop rankings, dissecting whether one incredible album could ever catapult an artist into the sacred top five, when the thrones seem perennially occupied by legends. The debate doesn't stop there; we shift the spotlight onto the latest beats with Gunna, Ghostface, and Conway, and revel in the remarkable story of Hit-Boy making music with his father. Our absent co-host, Sean, might've missed this one, but we make sure to fill the air with enough hot takes and sharp insights to make up for it.
Wrapping things up, we scrutinize recent albums, pondering if they signify growth or just another notch in an artist's belt. Conway's latest drop is under the microscope, and we don't hold back on our takes – is it a fresh evolution or more of the same hard-hitting Griselda sound? Plus, we reminisce on how music can evoke a spectrum of emotions, sharing anecdotes that illustrate just how deeply a track like "Takeover" can hit. It's a rollercoaster of opinions, stories, and analysis, and you're strapped in for the ride.
Welcome to the Hip Hop Talks podcast. I'm one of your hosts, ag, and I got the homie Coop with me. What's up, brother?
Speaker 2:What up AG?
Speaker 1:Selling man. Salute to you. You know what I'm saying. The chat looking crazy. It's already jumping off. People are pulling up in here. Thanks to everybody in the chat Pulling up on our YouTube stream, shout out to all the listeners. We're on Apple, we're on Spotify, we're on Amazon Music. We're also on iHeartRadio. We're climbing. Right now we got over 1K downloads on all the streaming services. We got over 1K subs on YouTube. We're making our move 30 days, 200 subs.
Speaker 2:We're making moves we appreciate everybody for tuning in in a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we make it word. Yeah, we make it moves and we appreciate everybody for tuning in, for downloading, listening later. You know thanks for rocking with us. You know what I mean. The Super Chats are open tonight. Cool, you know what I'm saying. We're going to come around and pull up to your corner what you got cooking for us, bro.
Speaker 2:First of all, we have a promo ad that I just finished coming soon like real soon Probably going to start dropping the promo ad tomorrow that I sent to everybody today. Yeah, we're probably dropping that tomorrow, so be on the lookout for our promo ad. I want to talk about a couple things in the corner. Right quick, if that's cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's cool, oh, and real quick. Sean will be pulling up as soon as time allows, so those of you in the chat that are fans of Sean, he will be pulling up.
Speaker 2:First of all, sean don't have fans and don't be talking about Sean when we're in my corner. Okay, it's my corner, it's called Coop Corner.
Speaker 1:What'd you say? What'd you say Coop? 99% of his fans don't exist. Is that what you said? Like cannabis, 99% of his fans wear high heels. Yeah, don't make him too conceited, bro, but yeah we're pulling up on the quarter.
Speaker 2:What you got for us, bro, I mean. So you know this Caitlin Clark thing has got, you know, a lot of people feeling some type of way. The first thing that I have to say is that you shouldn't be surprised. This is America with three Ks. You know what I'm saying. Should not be surprised at all at this. You know Asia Wilson is probably the best player in the league by a little bit of a margin at this stage too, and you know she's been in this league for I think six, seven, eight years and hasn't got anything close to this type of notoriety or attention.
Speaker 1:You remember Maya Moore, absolutely, and eight years, and hasn't got anything close to this type of notoriety or attention you remember maya moore?
Speaker 2:absolutely. Maya moore didn't get this type of attention when she was coming out, did she?
Speaker 2:no she didn't remember chameka holsklaw yeah, no, she didn't either holsklaw three-time all-american, three-time national championship, three-time player of the year no attention like this, and the thing that I hate about it is that when we try to have these conversations about white privilege, sometimes people actually get offended back, like we're not supposed to talk about these things. It might be 2024, but there's still a certain way that this country operates and the dynamics under it work with. And Caitlin Clark is talented she's one of the best shooters I've ever seen period, but that does. But just because she's talented doesn't mean that white privilege isn't involved, you know, and so we're gonna have to continue like to push these boundaries and push these borders and have these tough conversations until things really do make the change that they need to make. What do you have to say about that, ag?
Speaker 1:no, bro, I think he's fitting. I mean, we've never seen any publicity like that. You know I'm not gonna sit up here and cap and act like I tuned into the wmba all the time, but, like you know, she's been touted more than any other superstar. Um female basketball player.
Speaker 2:That's on that level or better lisa leslie candace parker right um cheryl swoop. Cynthia cooper right cheryl miller it's a lot of them.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of them, that's. You know even better, but the only you know good thing that could come about it is no terasi's cold.
Speaker 2:She's arguably the goat to me. Here's the thing about it. Listen to her last name, though. Her name ain't Caitlin Clark, it's Taurasi. She might be Anglo, but she's not even all the way American Anglo, and there's even a difference in how she gets treated. I'm serious, the priv works on the scale of the shade.
Speaker 1:But, with that said, it could bring some positive things to it, because if more eyes get on the sport, then comes more TV deals and endorsements and then the money goes up. And when the money goes up then maybe you know, a lot of the women of color that have the same talent level will start getting touted like she's getting touted, rightfully so when more money is coming in.
Speaker 2:I don't have a problem with the priv. Can we just spread the priv around? Can we just make it privilege instead of white privilege? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I want everybody to have priv, you know what I mean I want Asian Wilson to have some priv. I want everybody to have some priv. You know what I mean. I want Aja Wilson to have some priv. I want Skylar Dickens to have some priv. I want the priv all around for everybody. Pass the priv around. Need to be the motto yeah, for sure, for sure. So I went to the BMF season finale, season three finale screening this past weekend. You know.
Speaker 1:Hoops Hollywood man. Let me tell y'all, bro, this past weekend, you know, Hoops Hollywood man.
Speaker 2:Let me tell y'all, bro, black Hollywood Hollywood cool. No, no, no. It was a pleasure. Shout out to Deja and Clarissa Synergy PR Services. They always take good care of me. You know what I'm saying, Jaria. Like I take these things seriously too. It's like my write-up for it. It's called A Family Affair. My write-up for it is called A Family Affair. My write-up for it is actually done. Andrew's going to get it kicked out, probably sometime either later tonight or tomorrow morning, so be on the lookout for that on our website on Mirror Music and Hip Hop Talks on the webpage. Yeah, I like Hollywood Coop. Actually, you want to know this crazy quick sidebar. I actually recorded some music in Hollywood when I lived in Cali.
Speaker 2:Well, not really Hollywood but like Woodland Hills, like the valley, yeah. So I went to the event, you know, and it's kind of funny. The event was on Edgewood, adriel, you know what I'm saying. Like Dr King's house was probably about a mile, maybe less than about a mile mile and a half from where I was, you know, it's that dichotomy of being in black Hollywood, so to speak, where it's like dudes was really hand to hand hustling on, like one corner, and then on the other corner there was a red carpet, you know, and so that was what I found fascinating. The dichotomy and the veil of the worlds we live in is still fascinating to me. But hey, gee, everybody's a star now, like because everybody has a camera and an LED light and this, that and the other, like AG, I didn't even know who the stars were when the stars were coming in, because now everybody walks in, like they're the star.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, when we pull up to a function on the red carpet, then that's how we got to walk up to that.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Hey G, we really are stars. I don't know who these people were, but I will say I had a good time. I haven't watched too much of the show, but the episodes I have seen have been really, really good. But I can tell you something that I did notice, you know how, when you me know how, like when you, me and Sean came together, there was like a natural chemistry, and that's part of why this show is working is just because we have a naturally like good fit, good chemistry. Absolutely, it's part of the reason why that show is working. Like, these people really fuck with each other. You know what I'm saying. Like when you see them, when the camera's not and was interacting with one another you know what I'm saying. I didn't really see no funky shit going on. You know I'm saying which happens? Just, you know that happens in the workplace. You know you're gonna work with people you don't like. You know, yeah, but it was a really good time.
Speaker 2:You black people in atlanta shout out to walter too, who owns slush. You know I'm saying I actually got a chance to meet walter a couple months ago, like outside of uh, outside of slush, and me and him had a good conversation. I spoke to him again when I was in there. Shout out to walter um ag. It's just like we don't follow directions, man. Like the stars were supposed to go upstairs to do their photo ops, and that's what I mean. Everybody thinks they're a star, the entire building. When they saw the stars go upstairs like the actual stars everybody went upstairs with them. We weren't supposed to go follow.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying and before I knew it, it's like what was supposed to be a small screen of like 75 people felt like it was more, like about 200 people, and like the turn up was about to happen.
Speaker 1:It happened so fast you know people don't learn that lesson like not not saying you know that was a, that was a. I'm sure it was a clean cut attire that you was at, but you gotta, you gotta learn how to not follow people to the upper rooms, if you know what I'm saying well, I mean, see, slush is two levels and so the so they had us down on the bottom level, like in in the basement area.
Speaker 2:But the basement area was nice has lounge. It's a lounge area, you know, I mean it's got got love seats, got chairs at the bar, like you know, I mean it's a lounge area. It's got love seats, got chairs at the bar. It's a cool little vibe. Got screens down there, got TVs down there, got a little DJ booth area. It's a nice spot. But it's just the way that we don't follow directions. We really really really don't follow directions. You have to understand. There are people, like the people I know, who keep inviting me to these events and keep make sure that I stay Hollywood, like they have this thing called an itinerary that they have to follow, and so you know, when 150 niggas walk upstairs it kind of messes with the itinerary. But I was impressed with the cast and I was impressed with the finale. The shit was entertaining.
Speaker 1:That's what's up. Tell us what the vibes was like. You know was entertaining. That's what's up.
Speaker 2:tell us what the vibes was, like you know, talking to some of the cast members. Uh, they were super personal and super friendly. I'm gonna tell you something ag, like this is what I mean when I say everybody's a star people that are there to do media stuff like me. I was there to write, you know, so I really didn't get to meet anybody. I observed, like deja offered for me to meet, like mccall, white and um and a couple of other cast members, and I was like like no, I'm cool, because part of what enables me to write this article is me observing you know what I'm saying Like not putting myself in the mix, like I'm a writer, like my gift is writing and speaking, so it's like not jumping in front of the camera and dancing in all the videos and shit, you know.
Speaker 1:Come to hip hop talks with me. No, never mind.
Speaker 2:So I really just played the cut the whole time you know what I mean Like the entirety of the time, and I really watched how the cast interact with each other. I watched just the overall scene. You know, it's always a fascinating scene when you go to an event in Atlanta, because this isn't the real place. We're in the upside down of Stranger Things. You didn't know that, and so it's always fascinating to see how we work as a people in these spaces, you know. And so it was an overall good time, though I mean, it's really about the entertainment value of the show, and the entertainment value of the show was high. I had a good time.
Speaker 2:I wrote a dope-ass article everybody's going to see real soon. It's going to blow up this weekend. It was good times. You want to know what I guess for me, it really reminded me of how old I was, because I'm thinking while I'm watching Lil' Meech walk around, I'm thinking to myself like damn, I was one of the young dudes in the club when your daddy was buying out the bar. I was there. You know what I'm saying. I was in those clubs Because all that shit was going down literally around the time. My brothers used to do security down here, so I've been getting in every club down here since.
Speaker 3:I was 19.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying, that's true. Well, that was the time when all this you know what I'm saying when I was 19, 20, 21. You know what I'm saying? I can remember being in Visions one night where, like they announced over the speaker like yeah, meech bought everybody a drink, go to the bar. You know what I'm saying, that's what's up.
Speaker 1:And you know, I personally know that you're a dope writer, so I'm excited for you know, our fan base to get to tap into the content article that you're about to put out. You know, on that finale premiere and you know, look forward to that coming out y'all yeah, we're more than a pod.
Speaker 2:We got writing stuff coming. We got all types of things coming.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we taking over media game for real.
Speaker 2:Hold on real quick, I am. God shot me some tracks AG.
Speaker 1:Yo salute, I am God. He is a spitter for real.
Speaker 2:Hey, listen here, man, I don't want to blow up his spot too much because I want his team to do things the way that they want to do things. But I just want to say that nigga can rap with anybody AG For sure, I'll take him, I'll walk with him to any studio anywhere. Yeah, like he rapping for the shot hard, like like I am god's mc's mc, like I can most definitely take him. Like like the proudest moment of my career you know, what I'm saying was when curry was like you know, I mean still with bad boy and all that. He was like yo, he was like this, right here, that you spitting. He's like I'll take you to any label like right now, like the way curry felt about me that way, that's how I feel about I Am God right now. It's like no, nigga, I will walk you anywhere in any yo.
Speaker 1:Facts and what I really like about the homie. He knows he can spit with anybody out here right now, but he got a you know, I don't want to say a quiet confidence about him because he's very humble, but he put it this way. He knows he can spit with anybody, right, but he's a humble dude, he's a friend of the show. Shout out to you, I am God, for real.
Speaker 2:Shit I just heard. Nigga Shit I just heard.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that. His other joints is dope for real, look here. Like I don't.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to that His other joints is dope for real.
Speaker 1:Look here he's in the chat saying more work to be done. He hit us with the Kobe. The job ain't finished.
Speaker 2:I don't do shit like this to say shit like this AG, he got it For sure and his crew can spit too. That's that iron, that sharpened irons thing.
Speaker 1:Yo, I seen a post on Twitter today about a posse cut coming down the pipeline, which you know. We got some discussions that tie into the whole posse cut thing. But yeah, I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 2:I don't want to say anything, but I'm aware you need to listen to the music I sent you, sir. It needs to be your objective when this podcast ends.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, I'm tapping in, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Hey, I just want to say this, and then we can move on. His flow's gotten sicker.
Speaker 1:I'm saying a lot, I'm saying a lot.
Speaker 2:His flow was already pretty sick. His flow has gotten sicker. He's been working. You know what I'm saying? It's like an exercise, yeah.
Speaker 1:Peace, yeah, peace. He said he gonna hit me on Twitter. I appreciate it, bro. Yeah, salute to you. I am God for real. Speaking of new music, coming couple things to get to, eminem dropped a press release for the death of Slim Shady where he had an obituary for Slim Shady. And you know, when I saw that I just kind of grinned a little bit because myself, you and Sean and Lo had this discussion on where we thought the direction of the album was going to be and me personally I said I hoped that it would be something conceptual so he can get the Slim Shady flows and content off and not come off as corny. And with this little press release that he did, it looked like. It's looking to me like it's headed down that road of being a conceptual project. What do you think cool?
Speaker 2:I think the little tea leaves taj sent about how like. So perspective is everything, but I guess it's about how you receive the information. So, because we talked about it conceptually, you're looking at it from that framework. So I would agree with you on terms of like, the conception of it. But Taj kind of presented something, a different train of thought to me, which was what, if this is his last album, I think it very well is, because this is him killing off essentially the character that got him the record deal. Correct? You know what I'm saying? Yep, like he's killing that character off, so is he killing his career off in the process. Is this his swan song? And so you know we need to be mindful. Like these dudes they don't have to make no damn rap album. Ag.
Speaker 1:Nope, he's 51.
Speaker 2:He doesn't have to rap ever again. And so anytime that we're fortunate enough to hear these guys rap, no matter how good or how bad, we're going to talk about the Ghostface later, sean, just wherever you are, sean, because I know that you're watching. You're not doing this Ghostface review without you, so you go ahead and bring your ass on to the show wherever you are. Sir, I don't care if you're flying the friendly skies, I don't care if you're styling and profiling.
Speaker 2:Sean got to be called out you're going to do this Ghostface review with us.
Speaker 1:Yo, Sean Rocket Gators is nasty. That's crazy. Well, it's so hard for me to sit back here in the studio, so we gotta tell a lot of truths this evening, and some of our truths may be different, but we're gonna be the podcast to tell the truth for real.
Speaker 2:Well, let's say this is Eminem's last album. Real quick, ag. Where is there anything that he can do with this album to improve his ranking? Like, if this album is great, I'm going to say let's say it. It's not as good as the first three, but it would be a nice fourth place album. Not a lot of guys are walking around with four great albums.
Speaker 1:That's a loaded question, because to which fan base do you speak of? Do you speak of his core fan base, the people that's like ride or die M fans, or stans, if you will, or are you talking about just the general hip-hop culture?
Speaker 2:No, I'm talking on some rap shit, like on some quality. The center of my conversations, like the nucleus of my conversations, is always going to be quality first. So I'm talking about the quality of the Slim Shady LP, the Marshall Mathers LP and the Eminem Show. Those are high-quality projects.
Speaker 1:My personal favorite is Eminem Show. If he gives something at least on close to the Eminem Show level, I think it would be a major success. But I don't see his ranking moving. If we're talking about his objective rankings, you know, in the Pantheon of rap, no matter how great the album is, I don't think he can move up. We're talking about his objective rankings, you know, in the Pantheon of rap, yeah, no matter how great the album is, I don't think he can move up, just simply because of who's in front of him. We're talking about the Mount Rushmore of the. You know Nas, jay Big and Pac I don't see him. You know some people the reason why I say that is some people already consider him to be top five. So I don't see him moving beyond five at the highest, even with a great album.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about him cracking top 15. You're talking about top five. We're in two different worlds.
Speaker 1:We're going to get to that discussion here in a minute. You know what I'm saying. We got to wait for Sean on that one, but just Max. We're going to get to that discussion here in a minute. You know what I'm saying. We got to wait for Sean on that one, but just Max. Two different worlds, but just Max, max. He doesn't exceed top five status. I don't think I mean Because of who's in front of him, that's it.
Speaker 2:He's not in my top ten.
Speaker 1:He's number six for me. Number six, number six.
Speaker 2:You have him ahead of KRS we're gonna get to that.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna tell some truths today, man, like we, we gonna talk, we gonna battle this out, we gonna spar a little bit hold on, hold on and real quick.
Speaker 2:It's not just. I Am God, the production team is fired too. I forget dudes, names are off, rip, but like, yeah, production on. I Am God, shit is fire too. Six is too high. Aj, we're going to have to have a conversation. It really is, it is no, it's not.
Speaker 1:We got to tell some harsh truths. I might be the one to do that today, but we'll get to that. We got to wait on Sean for that.
Speaker 2:Clipto, Clipto, Thanks. Iamguy Shout out to Clipto on the production tip. Clipto did his thing too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, beats are hard for real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, no, beats are crazy. Six is too high. Ag. No, that's not happening. I guess. Putting him over Scarface, ghostface, ice Cube, krs, those are all top 10. Thought Kiss LL.
Speaker 1:We're going to parse all this out with Sean getting here.
Speaker 2:That's nasty work. That is nasty work that you're doing, sir.
Speaker 1:Hey, you got to look at the sliders. Man, this is 2K. You got to look at all the sliders.
Speaker 2:Okay, sliders, let's slide to the next topic. That's wild.
Speaker 1:That's a hell of a transition, All right. So we got some new music from some heavy hitters. We got Gunna, we got Ghostface and we also got Conway. Where do you want to start out, Coop? You want to start out with the Gunna album.
Speaker 2:What about the hit An Owl?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, Thanks, gonna album. What about the hit now? Oh yeah, yeah, thanks for reminding me. Uh, hip boy and alchemist and big hit for that matter put out a new single called blacks and whites. Yo, that joint is dope. This is the second single they done put out on their forthcoming project dropping may 30th. Uh, the first one was called for foreclosure, with just big hits.
Speaker 1:Spitting beats is hard and I'm just looking forward to, you know, a project with them collaborating, because, don't forget, they put out the EP earlier this year, in January, with alchemists and hit boy and that joint went hard. So I think they got nothing but great stuff to offer with them collabing and it just when I see big hit you know rap and you know on the, on the videos and stuff, it just makes me smile, man, because that's, that's a story that not enough people are talking about. You know, this man was locked down for so many years and he comes home to a situation where he can get in the studio with his son and they just putting out project after project I don't even know when hip boy sleeps he coming off the six Nas projects, other projects and then doing all these joints with his dad, the music project.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the music soul child project, the alchemist project, the gaming big hit project.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's crazy. So I mean it's just one of the best stories that I think there's another project he got out, I forget, like with his crew.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he called Surf Club, but I forget the name. Yeah.
Speaker 1:He doesn't sleep, but you know the whole situation with him and his pops man. That's one of the best stories that hip hop has to offer in the last couple of years and I don't think enough people talk about it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think it's one of hip hop's best stories period, like for any era, for any genre, actually, absolutely. There are these stereotypes and those archetypes of us in terms of the psychological and traumatic ramifications that come from when our fathers are incarcerated and thereby not able to be in our lives. That affects our behavior as grown men. There's the socioeconomic side of it, of him providing a job and a path for his father so that his father doesn't have to resort back to a way of living that probably landed him in prison. There's so many layers of it that are beautiful about the story. And then there's the fact that this nigga's the best producer in the game, and I've been saying it, and the more time it keeps going along, the more the beats keep reflecting it. When I was saying this two years ago, niggas was looking at me like I'm crazy. Do I sound like I'm crazy now?
Speaker 1:No, I've always subscribed to Hit-Boy being the best in the game. You know he's collaborating with one of the people who would be his main competition, and that's Alchemist, and the other person in that discussion would be Metro. But you know, hit-boy's versatility to give you everything he can give you, from boom bap to trap to soul samples and loops, is just insane to me, man, and it's quality and quantity with Hit-Boy.
Speaker 2:We're going to have this conversation when we discuss the Conway. A conductor is starting to put himself in that conversation, sir oh absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, conductor's dope. Conductor's dope have a problem? Yeah, conductor's dope.
Speaker 2:But the hit in Alchemist I mean from pretty much. It's like I mean dude, it's like having Barry Bonds and Ken Griffey Jr on the same team in his 1993.
Speaker 1:It's like right, right and um but when alchemist spits, bro, when he's on a rapid man, I can't. I just miss prodigy, bro, like when alchemist raps, for some reason it makes me miss p, you know. But um, they put out, you know their chemistry is, you know they're really. You know their styles are polar opposite but they complement each other. Well, you know they're really. You know their styles are polar opposite, but they compliment each other. Well, you know, with their production and when they rhyme on the track together, it's kind of crazy. But I'm just looking forward to whatever they put out. So, you know, y'all. Be sure to check that out on May 30th.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, so that's about to drop, that's coming around the corner.
Speaker 1:And yo I don't know any inside information.
Speaker 2:But listen, I'm hoping and suspecting there will be a nas feature on that project usually when they can say I don't have any inside information ag, they've got inside information I really, I really don't, I really don't.
Speaker 1:I'm just, you know, reading the tea leaves because you know I've seen pictures on IG with Nas in the stew with Alchemist and Big Hit and you know, so on and so forth. So I'm just suspecting that you know we might get another Nas feature. We're just coming off one, the Scar Tissue joint with Ghost, and Nas is active. We know he's making the joint with Primo cooking that up right now, but he's still active out here doing features. So I hope we get a nas feature on the album and it'll just be dope to hear nas over hit boy production again as well, even if it's for one track. You know what I mean, because I'm sure a lot of us fans been dialing 1-800-NASA-HIT pretty often.
Speaker 2:So I mean I told you hit needs to be in the studio for the nas and primo.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like an, like an executive producer for real.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Not even executive producer Like Prima was around for some of the KD and Magic stuff. That's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying he was yeah, you know what I mean. Sometimes you need to OG it, sometimes you need to YG it, but you got to have some YGs around. You know what I'm saying? Right, because I don't want, like how about this? This is going to sound crazy. Because I know they can't reduplicate the sound of a like beat-wise, like Prince probably doesn't have like a New York State of Mind or Nas' or Memory Lane left, but he can do some. I Gave you Powers and so I want it to sound like that sonically, like I don't want it to be like too much boom-bap. You know what I'm saying? Because it's 2024, like, not 1994 right, you gotta update the formula like my favorite intro goes yes, I want the formula updated.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it would be nice if, like Hit was just in there to be like hey, let's use this sound instead of that part of the drum machine. You know what I'm saying. Let's break this down. You know what I'm saying. Let's break this down. You know what I'm saying? Look at it like this, the montage that I just did, it's like well, no, I had to send it to Taj, and then I had to send it to Andrew. You know what I'm saying? Taj gave me her notes, andrew gave me his notes, then Taj came back with a little bit more notes, then Andrew came back with a little bit more notes, then I shot at the y'all. Then I reworked it anyway, because by then I wasn't happy. You know what I'm saying? Correct, but when the team put it together, it tends to lend to more perfection, like look at our best rap albums. Most of our best rap albums are collaborative efforts. Absolutely Illmatic has a team of producers.
Speaker 2:The Chronic Doggystyle, purple Tape, solo Missions it's rare that a solo mission with very minimal help reaches certain feats, the low end theory Into the Wu-Tang.
Speaker 1:Equipment. Eye everybody involved has to put their best foot forward, and that's how classics are made yeah, it's just how classics are made.
Speaker 2:You got to have people in the room. I mean Peyton Full is probably the outlier, but I mean shit, he had fucking Eric B. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yep and.
Speaker 2:Marley. Think about it. He had Eric B and Marley for Peyton Full, that's big. You're not alone.
Speaker 1:It's not the Michael. Jackson song written by R Kelly, you are not alone. And a young Nas was around observing getting studio time when Rod didn't show up, as he said on the song.
Speaker 2:Arch Professor's around, for Let the Rhythm Hit Him after Paul C died. It takes a village to make these classic rap shits. Yep, absolutely Arch Pruitt was around on Midnight Marauders.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 2:There's True Joy on the Hook to Award Tour Takes team effort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. The best albums ever created are mostly all team efforts.
Speaker 2:Hey, real quick, because I feel like being shady. Didn't Questlove say hip-hop is dead? He did. Is the Roots picnic canceled? Nigga, hip-hop is dead, he did. Is the Roots picnic canceled? Nigga, hip-hop is dead. Is the picnic canceled?
Speaker 1:I think he doubled back. You know I've seen some comments where he was trying to explain himself and said yeah, I was playing drums for Jay-Z on Takeover when he was dissing Nas.
Speaker 2:He sounded like Rick James on the Chappelle Show. Skit what I look like talking about how I fight. I fight Charlie Murphy. Yeah, that's how the nigga sound okay yo that's crazy right nigga.
Speaker 1:Nas is performing at this year's joint right everybody performing at the damn picnic.
Speaker 2:That's why he got a lot of nerve saying hip hop is dead when the shit is titled the roots picnic. That's why he got a lot of nerve saying hip hop is dead when the shit is titled the Roots Picnic. Is the picnic canceled, nigga?
Speaker 1:Yo, I was going to let Quest live, man, I wasn't even going to touch on that topic. I ain't hear that.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But yo, what do you think about the Gunna album? My son, he's playing that nonstop. I've been listening to that Gunna a lot. You called it, hold on. You called that, so I got to tip my cap to you. You know what I'm saying. You called that the album was going to be fire.
Speaker 2:Whatever you may feel personally aside, whatever you may feel personally aside, he's been the best rap artist to come out of Atlanta the last 10 years Period. Well, he's better than 20. He's better than 21. He's better than a little baby. Thug came out. Thug been out for for for for a very, very long time. I was listening to thug like when I moved back from cali. That's oh seven, oh six, oh seven, oh eight. Like what? What dude from down here been better than gun on the last 10 years?
Speaker 1:I mean, the thing that was most impressive to me he's put out two quality projects after being, you know, pretty much ostracized, ostracized by the hip hop community, and he just focused on making great projects. And you know, you gotta, you know, take a hat off for that.
Speaker 2:The projects before that were stellar too. That's what I mean. This is like. Do I think any of these albums are classic that he's made? No, but do I think that they're all dope as fuck? Yes, wanna is a dope album. Ds, forever is a dope album.
Speaker 1:I forget what the last one's called Dope album. Real quick shout out to Ariana for the $2 super chat. It wasn't a comment with it, but I just want to shout her out for showing some love, Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:The Gunna album mhm.
Speaker 2:Okay, like he don't need no help, these other niggas need help. Ag, he's been the help. I don't know if you've noticed, but since he hasn't been on a lot of Atlanta records, the quality of the hip hop records coming up in Atlanta has gone down.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because everybody, like I said, you know he was kind of abandoned to a degree and he's still pulling that, putting out the quality on his own merit. But, like you said, his flavor is not getting added to anybody else's records.
Speaker 2:It's been a minute, but his shit fire without all these dudes. You understand that, right, it's been a minute. But his shit fire without all these dudes. You understand that, right, you're right. He don't got Metro and he's still fire Facts. He don't got Thug, he's still fire Facts. Lil Baby and 21 ain't fucking with him, it don't matter, he's still fire Yep. And so if we're talking about the music, which is why we pull up, oh, musically, it's another dope project from Gunna.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm, let's see, we got another super chat, 499 super chat, from Yo Magic. It says Gunna's album evokes the feeling of driving through Atlanta in the early hours of the morning, just before dawn. You got to speak to that Coop. You know what I'm saying. That's your spot.
Speaker 2:He's right, I can't front. When I thought of it, I was like yo. I was like this is what we gonna ride to. This is what's gonna be playing in Magic. This is what's gonna be playing in Strokers. This is what's gonna be playing at the Flame. Yeah, it's like that yeah, I thoroughly enjoy the album he's the best rap artist in Atlanta in the last 10 years. It's in the music.
Speaker 1:I never really thought about that, but you know what I'm saying. You on to something.
Speaker 2:Who you got.
Speaker 1:Like I said, when I think about it, I can't name anybody that's been. Like I said, 21 would probably be the main person to put up against them.
Speaker 2:So here's the separating factor with that 21 gets elevated when he works with Metro. Gunna should have stayed the same without Metro. What does that tell you about?
Speaker 1:the artist. Well, I would put this Gunna project and the last Gunna project both over 21's last project.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I put Gunna's last four projects over all of 21's stuff, with the exception of, maybe, savage Mode.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I can't really count her loss with Drake like that, because her loss was solid.
Speaker 2:This Gunna album is better than her loss. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with you like that, but you know, because her loss was solid, but this gun album's better than her loss. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with you on that. Yeah it's a dope album.
Speaker 2:Like, if I'm making my top ten list, first of all, both the I Am God's projects are going to make it, because this next project that you guys are about to hear both the I Am God's projects are going to make it, because this next project that you guys are about to hear Both the I Am God's album would make it right now, the Schoolboy. I'm going to tell you about some of my picks later, but this Gunna is a top 10 rap album this year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my favorite joint is the title track, one of One. What's your favorite joint on that?
Speaker 2:There's a lot.
Speaker 1:I mean the whole thing's quality.
Speaker 2:I mean it's still a little too long. I could have cut about three or four tracks so we'd have a better album.
Speaker 1:That's fair.
Speaker 2:I mean it's borderline top five-ish to me as far as this year. I don't know if I'm being ATL biased when I say that, but I'm thinking like, because here's the thing about it, he's finding different flows and really, like you know, it's kind of funny when you get isolated. The way that he's been isolated, it can actually make you a better artist, and so actually I hear a more well-rounded artist now in terms of maybe not in terms of subject matter, but in terms of the way he mastered his craft. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, like he doesn't have everybody around him anymore.
Speaker 2:It's just, yeah, you just focus on yourself and he has into into some pretty impressive results right yeah, no, I like it. I like the project a lot. It's a top 10 project this year, for sure, okay.
Speaker 1:So, transitioning to Conway, you know I'm a big Griselda fan and you're probably an even bigger Griselda fan. What are your thoughts on Conway's album?
Speaker 2:I want you to go first, actually about the Conway album okay, that's fair, it got some joints on there, I mean where's Sean at. Sean, you're not escaping this Ghostface review we'll get there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's avoid that one stop running, find this nigga it's got some joints on there.
Speaker 1:I'm a real big fan of the Muddy joint with Stove. Stove killed that when he was doing the math, like Foxy on his verse, but he gave himself room for error. He said more or less when he was doing his math. Stove is just clever. And shout out to him he liked uh, one of our posts. Uh, today we used him for the bar seminar.
Speaker 1:If you've been tapped in with us for a little while, every week we try to come, you know, with a bar seminar, like a verse that's, you know, ties into our show or a classic verse to us. And um, you know, he was the topic of our bar seminar for this week, you know, and that was coops pick so and shout out to stoke god for uh liking that. But, um, but uh, back on the conway. Um, I like the meth meth joint, meth's back, and I just want to speak to meth man kill it, killing features. He killed his feature on the ghost space. Meth is still rapping like he's in shape, you know. So, um, but those are features. So let me get to the, to the main, the main event, which is kind of way with his own album, hold on, hold on, but what did you think of the album?
Speaker 1:I'm getting to that. It hurts me to say that. I was right on the last show when I had my concerns about I don't know if you remember me talking about it but I was saying I was concerned if that would move the needle any, because Benny's album was supposed to wave the Griselda flag and take them to places that they hadn't been yet, and to some degree I don't think it accomplished that, but you know that's. I think it fell short because of the expectations he set for it. Right, but when Conway comes with his project, I felt like he had to build up on that and I feel like what we got was just another and no disrespect, but I feel like we just got another run-of-the-mill Griselda album. I don't think it advanced the Griselda brand any more. It's got some dope joints on there. Conway is spitting per usual, but it's your run-of-the-mill Griselda album and that's how I feel about it. It didn't progress them any in the space.
Speaker 2:You finished.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:This album is really dope and I don't know what all of y'all are hearing. I think maybe you might be tired of hearing it, so maybe you've become numb to it, maybe you've become immune to it, but this is a really dope project. It's got some dope joints. The beat selection on here is excellent. I liked a lot of the production. Beat selection on here is excellent. But what we have with this see this is like a master class session type of day, because this album makes me love rap and love certain artists. So I'm going to tell you something about what I really think about this project. I love Conway and what Conway does, because Conway is a master of his craft Absolutely. And what really impresses me about this album? What really impresses me about this album is the fact that he's finding new pockets to flow in, but keeping his delivery Like this. This album is a bar seminar of sorts, like he's doing his classic Conway flow, but his timing on these beats, his delivery it's immaculate so at the has an MC.
Speaker 2:he's rounded himself into a special space and not a lot of rappers get to say this it doesn't matter what beat you put him on like, he can find a way to ride it and he can find a rhythm and a timing. And this is what I like about him. When he gets tracks that are not quote unquote, um classic East coast mob, deep Wu Tang ish type beats, when he doesn't get those beats, first he used to rap on top of those beats and because he was a dope MC it still worked. But now he's finding pockets of flows with his timing that he's not having the rap on top of these beats that aren't East Coast boom bap beats. He can weave in between them now. That's a mark of his improvement as an MC. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:So you're saying him as an MC specifically? You see the growth on this album saying him as an emcee specifically.
Speaker 2:You see the growth on this album. I see, I see the. You know, it's like that analogy that I always make when I talk about how a um, a quarterback, you know, reaches that point where the game like really really slows down with for them and like it's different. It's like that point, like, you know, like tom brady used to get hit a lot more earlier in his career than he did later and then he reached a point where, like, he mastered it and because he knew how well everybody worked, he knew right when to slide to avoid that set because he had mastered it.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Like Peyton at the line of scrimmage. You know what I'm saying my home's in the fourth quarter of a big game. You know what I'm saying. It's like it's when the guy develops that mastery for what they do well. He's developed a mastery of what he does well. And what impressed me about the album also too, is that for all these features, it actually sounded like a Griselda-ish album, though what I was worried about was him losing direction, and so do I think the album is great, no, but I do think it's a really good project, like you don't like.
Speaker 2:Milano Nights, part 1?.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nah, I like that song, but you know, I think that's glorious, like that's some shit.
Speaker 2:Big would rap on like what is niggas hearing?
Speaker 1:Right, but I think that you can compartmentalize the artist from the art right. The project itself, Like Conway, can be getting better as an emcee, but the project's still not coming together how it was supposed to. So I'm gonna ask you this Coop, At the risk of sounding redundant because he has put out so many projects, how does this project differ from all his other previous ones? Did he move the bar in a positive direction? Any with this, other than what you speak to, with his skill set Overall, how the album sounds? Did it move the needle?
Speaker 1:any Not just for him but for Griselda as a whole.
Speaker 2:No, it did neither one of those things. This is more of the vein.
Speaker 1:This is a comfort zone album but and I like it when an artist never gives you the same album twice, that's what I gravitate towards it's a high level comfort zone album, though like milano nights, the ken express, with larry june.
Speaker 2:Larry's like okay, so here's what I June. Larry's like okay, so here's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's like I don't know. That's really tough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is. Muddy with Stove.
Speaker 1:Yeah, start that muddy and then goes like the next. You know, four or five joints is pretty tough, yeah, correct.
Speaker 2:So I don't know, like, like, how you are about your hip-hop, but I don't go to everybody expecting the world. Usually I go expecting people to operate on the level that they operate on, and if they give me something better than that then it deserves higher praise. So I think, like the larry june album can express is is an example of that. To me it's like no, I'm not expecting larry june to be like kendrick on the mic lyrically, but he's my go-to west coast artist right now. Like he's the dude that I feel when I want some east coast shit. Like conway's one of my go-to guys from this era, and so he's giving you that. And has he tread that ground before plenty of times. It's like, well, yes, he has, but he's also still making very, very high quality records. Muddy is a great record. Milano nights, part one, is a great record. Ken express is a great record. The Part One is a great record. Ken Express is a great record. The Vertino with Joey Badass, that's great. Now I do have some nitpicks about the album.
Speaker 1:These songs are too damn long. Well, I mean, it's a throwback to the earlier era. Shout out to the movie Ira Myers.
Speaker 3:I don't give a damn.
Speaker 2:I don't give a damn what era. It's a throwback to Throw away the last minute of some of these songs. How about that?
Speaker 1:But let let me. Let me say this he is rapping at a high level and the quality is there, but I think my problem comes in at the quantity, because they released so many projects right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we've heard so many great songs from him, but I was impressed with his beat selection. Like what's his best album? From a King to a God? I would say yes. So there aren't any Juvenile Hell or Jesus Crisis on here. You know what I'm saying? There's not a Griselda record. There's not a West Side Benny Conway record on here. The songs are too long at points and so it's not. I'm not saying it's a perfect album. I'm just saying it's like is it just like a throwaway album or like a weed plate? It's like no, this is a quality project from one of the upper echelon MCs in the game and one of the top five MCs in the last five years, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it may be I'm not judging that fair, but I'm looking at it because you asked me what my expectations are and no, I wasn't expecting you know the world out of it.
Speaker 1:But it's like when you go to a restaurant and you know if it's a Michelin star joint, if you know you eat a nice steak, whatever, and then if you go there every day at a week over two weeks straight, it might taste exactly the same as when you first ate the steak, but it's not going to hit you the same. You can be like, oh, the steak is all right, but I'm kind of tired of the steak right now because I've had it every day for two weeks straight and I think with the quantity of music that they put now I think they've gotten to that point where it's like an oversaturation. You know where it's not, like it's not a vast difference in what they're putting out. So it's like you're getting the same thing over and over and over again and that dilutes the quality of it, even if it's on par with stuff that came before it.
Speaker 2:It's because you're desensitized to it, right yeah, I mean that happens, like that happens on both ends of the pendulum, though. Like, think about, think about a tribe called quest. It's like, well, nothing changed about how they put together their projects when the love movement came out, but they had covered so much territory with people's instinctive and the low-end theory and midnight marauders and even beats rhymes in Life, that when you like, when you got a formula and you don't update the formula, that's what happens. So it's like, no, it's not the updating of any formula, it's some really quality guest features Stove showed out, meth showed out, joey Badass had a great verse.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. But to your point, on's own merit, it's a good album yeah, on it's own merit.
Speaker 2:If a New York nigga just came out with this album the day and his name wasn't Conway, we'd be like man, this is a dope ass project yeah, you're right in that regard, because on it's own merit it's a dope album.
Speaker 1:But you know, I just can't help but to think about everything that came before it and question where do you go from here?
Speaker 2:when I listen to that, I'm going to say this I want you to tell me what Conway's three best albums are in your opinion.
Speaker 1:Rank Conway's three best albums in order for you From a King to a guy would be one La Makina, and probably Maybe, god don't Make Mistakes I think he had more range on that album than this album.
Speaker 2:Okay, so La Makina and God Don't Make Mistakes has more range than this album and I could agree with you. I might put Won't he Do it over God Don't Make Mistakes.
Speaker 1:But I mean, Won't he Do it is good. I would put Won't he Do it over this album.
Speaker 2:So those are the four best albums, right.
Speaker 1:Out of how many we got to frame it properly.
Speaker 3:I mean he's got the black tape.
Speaker 2:Hold on hold mean he's got the black tape. Hold on, hold on. He's got the black tape. He's got Look what I Became. He's got Everybody Is Food 1, 2, and 3. He's got Lulu with Alchemist and let's be real.
Speaker 1:A lot of these are real short. A lot of these are real short projects.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, like Lulu's a five-piece, right, a five piece, right, right, it was a five piece, yeah, but but what I'm saying is is that this album isn't as versatile of those albums. What has that gotten him exactly? What does this all this versatility like? I know that we know that he's versatile, now what has it gotten him? And also, too, what would you call what's the record, the 10 slash riot interlude, which I think should have been split up and just been two separate songs anyway.
Speaker 2:I don't know why those songs are pieced together like that. That's an executive production error and like, in my opinion, because it's like why would you have a six minute song in these days and times when both of the songs is about three minutes long and both of the songs actually slide, but they slide in a similar way? So why wouldn't you take those songs and split them up and break them up and give this album some more shake up, like that's just for me? So that was an executive production mistake, in my opinion, to like take 10 and Ryan, put them together, like, literally, like make them into, mash them into one song, and then also like put them like together, like you should have taken those songs and separated those songs and put them out through the course of the album.
Speaker 2:I think it had more of an effect. You could have tossed the 10 in between Milano Lights and Ken Express and then kept Raya for a bonus track or kept it towards the further back end of the album, in my opinion. So there are missteps on here. I'm not saying that there's not missteps, but I'm saying the bar work, the bar seminars, they're still high level. The guest appearances are dope. The production is good. It does tail off at the end, son, but overall solid project.
Speaker 1:How much staying power do you think it'll have with you?
Speaker 2:Hey, ag, I don't know how much staying power a lot of these fucking albums have these days, if you really want to know Nah, that's real what's your album of the year this year, ag, let's keep it funky. What's your album of the year, my G?
Speaker 1:So far, I mean we in.
Speaker 2:May. First of all, sean said that he would be here by 9.30. He ducking this Ghostface review. We not doing this Ghostface review to you. I know you're outside, I know you're outside.
Speaker 1:I don't know man. I think at the top of the year. I think Paisley Dreams was dope. I don't think Game gets enough credit. You know him. And that's another joint. That Hip Boy, you know, produced cause that came out New Year's Day, that came out very Year's Day, that came out very top of the year.
Speaker 2:Did it come out New Year's Eve or did it come out New Year's Day? No, it's New Year's Day, you're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, you're right. Nothing really has stuck with me like that, to be honest.
Speaker 2:So when you're saying that, why are we putting those expectations on Conway and not on everybody else? Did the mini album stick? Not as long as it was supposed to how do you feel about the schoolboy Q, which I think is the album of the year contender?
Speaker 1:it was really good. But are you still playing it? No, it didn't have the staying power with me and it was a little sleepy. You know what I mean and you know I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but like it. You know it just didn't have the staying power with me. But I tell you what would have been a candidate with me. But I'll tell you what would have been a candidate and we'll get to this talk later and it hurts my soul to say this is might delete later. That would have been a candidate, but I feel like in that situation you know how Drake got hit with the, with the meet the grams right after family matters, and it thwarted all the. You know the steam. With the Meet the Grams right after Family Matters, and it thwarted all the. You know the steam.
Speaker 1:Put some steam out, yeah because that record, family Matters, is great. The irony is Cole did that to himself because the apology came two days after the album dropped and that project might delete later was tough. But then the apology came and I have to be honest with you, coop, I tried to listen to it once after the apology and it just wasn't hitting the same and I hadn't been back to it, since you couldn't do it so what Kendrick did to Drake, cole did to himself, and that's crazy, but that would probably be my pick.
Speaker 1:Drake Cole did to himself and that's crazy, but that would you know. That would probably be my pick and that would have had more staying power had that not happened.
Speaker 2:Self-inflicted wounds are the worst ones, man, crazy. That's what's so crazy about this. It's a self-inflicted wound. He literally killed his legacy, or at least his ability to be number one in his generation, which is a legacy move. And he heard his album. Is it a dope project? Yeah, does anybody have the heart to really listen to it right now?
Speaker 1:No, Right and the first we Don't Trust you is pretty tough. That stayed in rotation with me for a while.
Speaker 2:So the Cole is coolboy is cool, the Braun joint Benny's cool. I like the game and big hit album it's cool. What's staying though? So we can't sit up there, so we can't sit up there.
Speaker 1:We gotta keep it consistent.
Speaker 2:You right, we gotta keep it consistent but, um we wasn't saying this shit about these other albums. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Nah, there you go. Oh well, well, well, Just in time.
Speaker 2:Well well, Nice of you to show up sir Yo, I was in the backstage.
Speaker 4:I was hoping y'all would get past the ghost joint.
Speaker 1:Hey yo yo, I was going to, but Coop said he did you like Drake? He was like nah, nah, sean, you got to follow through.
Speaker 4:Don't talk about your number two today, bro. I don't even want to talk about it, man, I'm jet lagging right now.
Speaker 2:It's hip hop talk. It's called hip hop talk, Sean.
Speaker 4:We got to tell some truth today, we got to tell some truth. We got to tell some truth.
Speaker 1:You're right Real quick. We got a $5 super chat from Esquire. Shout out to Esquire. He says I have a hard time buying the. Don't hit the same logic. Great music hits, no matter the context. Family matters is fire as is might delete later. I mean, if might delete later, stay with you, then you know, shout out to you. But it just. It just took the wind out of the sails for that album, for me and for a lot of people that I talked to I mean I didn't think it was an album of the year when it came out.
Speaker 2:What's up? Esquire man, good to see you. Um, I kind of like has a Mobb Deep fan. When people talk about they get tired of hearing the same thing. It's like man, it's like I never get tired of hearing that Mobb Deep shit. You know what I'm saying. I never get tired of Prodigy stabbing a nigga with an ice pick. I don't get tired of that. Not tired of that at all. It's perfectly okay with me in my world. I never get tired of that high-level bar work and bar seminars that Wu-Tang Clan give. I never get tired of the funky creativity of an outcast or a tribe called Quest. You know what I'm saying and that's why I'm kind of pulling up when people are saying they don't like this album.
Speaker 2:It's like what do y'all want from Conway? Exactly, because typically we want our artists to give us a reflection of the stuff that they really make. That made us like them in the first place, and this album is more in that vein. It is this isn't like God don't make mistakes, or La Makina, or won't he do it. This is more like the black tape. This is more like everybody is food. This is more like look what I became. This is more of everybody is food. This is more like look what I became. This is more of his core shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a solid effort for sure, but I look at it as like from your vantage point. You're saying he got better as an MC and you can hear all those nuances where he improved. For me I'm not hearing that quite as much and I'm looking at it as like somebody who goes to class and in their sleep they can get like an A or b and then they just kind of phone it in and then that's what we got, you know okay.
Speaker 2:So it's like this we're expecting him to like. The wizardry of this album is in the nuance of mc and not in the entertainment shock value side of mcn. And so, lyrically he's not hitting with uh niggas, keep blocking my goals, I'm gonna make it messy. There's not bar work like that on here. The improvement is in where he's catching the beat, the way he can ride a snare now instead of riding a baseline with his delivery. It's the fact that he can come in on on kick before the third bar, before the third bar even drops. But because of how he's rhyming, it fits in when the fourth bar drops and his flow pattern starts.
Speaker 2:So that's what I'm saying when it's more of a master class of MC and like your ears have to be tuned, he's more nimble, like it's like this. It's like it's like watching a race car driver like, like, like, like, downshift and then speed back up the way his flow is going on this album a lot of the time Pause, downshift, no, no, no. Zoom zero to 60. Doing stuff like that on that album as an MC, niggas don't understand how difficult that is. It's not easy.
Speaker 1:But you're a hip-hop head and somebody who's rapped before, and only a small percent of the population is going to understand that you know what I mean. When they listen to it, they're listening with a different set of ears.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ok, I mean yeah, but I, but I can hear. I can hear the MC Like how about this? I can almost hear the guy that was like sitting in a wheelchair and so he's just running it back over and over and over and over again until it's getting more and more wicked. You know what I mean. His flow on here is nice. He's got different flows, he's got different pockets, he's got different timings. It's pretty impressive. He's downshifting, he's accelerating. So I like the MC performance overall. Now, if you're telling me the songs aren't as well-rounded, okay. If you're telling me lyrically it's not from a king to a god or some of his spaz outs like Brutus or George Bondo or something like that, then like okay. Or Hell on Earth Part II, like no, it's not that, but it is a good project from an upper echelon MC.
Speaker 1:It's not some mid, sean. We want to get your thoughts on the Conway before we transition to this ghost and if you gentlemen will excuse me for like two minutes, you know what I'm saying, sean, you want to give us your thoughts on the Conway.
Speaker 4:I have none.
Speaker 1:Y'all covered it.
Speaker 4:Y'all covered it eloquently.
Speaker 1:All right, so we are going to the ghostface. I'll be back in a minute.
Speaker 4:Wow.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Aj, you really need to stay here and listen to Sean talk about this Ghostface.
Speaker 4:I don't want to talk about it. Yo, the Conway joint was decent. It was. I wasn't underwhelmed, I wasn't overwhelmed, it was just decent. Nothing to go crazy over, I think you I mean you said it right. I don't want to rehash what you both were talking about. That's why I said in the back in the backstage, wait till my time to come up here. But I just don't think it was. I knew what we was going to get from the Conway joint. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:I didn't have no expectations of to see growth from Conway or from anyone from Griselda. When we talked about this before the album dropped, I told you both that I felt like Conway, how is he going to approach this? Will he do the Benny route and try to appeal more commercially, or will he continue to do the things that we know Conway can do and we know Conway can rap? But we didn't see a lot of range in this album. There's nothing that said, oh, this is a different chamber he jumped into and I'm excited about that chamber. I didn't get that from him. I didn't see growth in this album, and that's not to say the album is bad. I'm just saying it's not the growth. I think the staying power is not there. I don't think I'll be listening to this album by next week or two weeks from now. To be quite honest, it's starting to wear off me already.
Speaker 4:I think, we have a super chat too. Go ahead. I'm sorry, AJ, can you see?
Speaker 1:it. Oh yeah, no doubt that's where I went. Another $5 super chat, Shout out to you. He says uh long kids, good night Still hits the spike Pac. This is drop a gym on them. Against all odds, even though he and I squashed it, rose's crime bars basically saying all this stuff, despite the circumstances, it still hits. So you know that's a fair and valid point. I'm just pointing to the mic delete. Later, when I go back and listen to it, my ears hear it a little bit differently now.
Speaker 2:You've been emotionally affected by how this new generation of niggas has traumatized you, AG.
Speaker 1:Out of the three, cole was my guy, you know, still is, yeah. But out of the three, he's my guy.
Speaker 2:Is he your guy? Is he your guy?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, I mean I still respect Cole as the emcees. He's one of the best to do it. But we're going to get to like ranking talk here in a little bit. But you know I was disappointed with the move he made. In hindsight I could see why he did it, but at the same time that affects overall his status. You know what I mean and I can be able to part like to Esquire's point. I can parse that out, but right now it's too soon. You know what I mean Because for me that project is linked to that event and you know it's just. I can go back and listen to his other stuff with no problem but Might Delete Later. As good as it was, it's just linked to that event and it's too soon. I might be able to revisit it, you know, down the road.
Speaker 2:I think Might Delete Later is better than the off season, but I didn't think it was going to win. Album of the Year. Yeah, it is better than the offseason.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:Not winning the album of the year and, quite frankly, he better make album of the year. He has to he has to. Not a contender for album of the year. Not a contender the first place Gold medal.
Speaker 1:But now we're going to get to. He said I'm good, but now we're going to see. He said I'm good, but now we're gonna see if you're really good, sean.
Speaker 1:We're gonna talk about this ghost face album all right now I'll kick it off, um, if I'm being honest, um, with with the ghost project. You know it's similar to what I said about scar tissue. I this is the first time me listening to Ghost and I could hear the age on him. You know. I could hear the rust. You know what I mean and I think being fans of Nas that kind of spoiled us a little bit. You know what I mean, because he's rapping at such a high level at an age where you really shouldn't be.
Speaker 1:And I mentioned Method man earlier. Method Man's in top tier shape, you know. So I think we expect all of our you know legends to be in the same kind of you know rap shape. But on Ghost I hear the decline a little bit and that was, you know, that was a little bit disappointing. But I'm hoping that this is a warmup for Supreme Clientele too, but if we ever get that, first of all. But what I will say is this album it had a few joints on here. It had the no face with Kanye speaking of you know, he's supposed to do Supreme Clientele. 2. The twin not twin hammers, it's called pair of hammers with Method man. Them going back and forth was fire.
Speaker 2:Did you say Kanye gonna produce Supreme Clientele 2? Did you say?
Speaker 1:that out loud. That's just what we're being told. That's what we're being told.
Speaker 2:You just keep on being told that, ag. You just keep on being told that there's not a chance of that happening but but yeah.
Speaker 1:So overall. I mean I could just hear the rust and that was a little bit disappointing, but the project has everything you would want from a ghost project. It has funny skits, like the serial skit. It has the soul, you know samples. It has um, you know he's in a storytelling bag. Everything you would want from a ghost album is there. It just doesn't hit the mark on the delivery, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:A ghost album is there what ghost is known for, what ghost is known for. But the Ghost is known for, but the delivery, he doesn't stick the landing. He's doing Ghost things but he doesn't stick the landing.
Speaker 2:And that's disappointing, sean, since you're just here for some, sean, since you're just here for support this evening, apparently. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Before we get to. Would you like to support AG's plans before we get to? Before we get to his thing, let's read these super chats real quick. Uh, jadarion with the five dollar super chat. He says jay skis, testament of the times, has the most staying power. To me, replay value high, so that's his pick. Rob mother year. Um tracy g2 with the five dollar super chat, appreciate it. Uh, it says. Y'all ain't no true cole fans then, because I literally listened to my delete later.
Speaker 2:And family matters daily, cole and drake like the don't do that tracy like the sb 100 and I don't know what that's been yeah, tracy, but um, but yeah, I mean dra break like the super bowl, oh, like the super bowl shooter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I said, hey, hey, tracy g, I you know I'm saying me and my son pulled up to the to the draken um cold concert. We spent a lot of money on those tickets, so I can't disown them. You know what I'm saying. Like I got a lot of money invested in them, right, but um cool, sean's not gonna speak on it.
Speaker 4:So what's your? I'll be honest. I'll be honest about it.
Speaker 2:I'll be honest about it good I'd like to bring up. I'd like to bring up the rear in this conversation. Sean, go ahead, jump right on in the middle yo bring up the rear.
Speaker 4:Yo, that is crazy. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2:you're not being supportive. You're not being supportive at all.
Speaker 4:You can jump back out. You said bring up the rear. Hey, look at Sean deflecting. I'm jet lagging, I'm jet lagging, I'm not going to lie. Yo look, I'm a little disappointed. I'm being honest.
Speaker 4:Y'all know that Ghost is my number two rapper of all time. Listening to this album it reminds me it's like a mesh between Ghostini the Wizard of Poetry album, as well as a little bit of Pretty Tony and a little bit of the more fish. It sounds like there's a bunch of outtakes from those albums and he put it on here. I don't think he's that sharp, but I want to hear Ghost. I want to hear Ghost on the RZA track. I said that last week before the album came out. I said I wanted I'm more interested in Ghost and RZA and Ghost and someone from that Woo Element group as opposed to outside producers, newer producers, because I don't think a new producer or a just any producer can produce artists like Ghostface.
Speaker 4:Because you got to get the best out of Ghostface. You got to get the emotion out of Ghostface. You got to get the entendres. You got to get the slick talk out of Ghostface. You got to get the eight ravioli bags, two thirsty niggas, bellyache you got to get that out of him. You don't get that out of him with the beat selection that you got from this. I understood where he was coming from because I understood the guns and roses theme, where the first half was more of the guns, more of the you know, I'm a hitch in the face the back half of that was more for the ladies because he had different stories and different things going on, but I still felt like those were outtakes.
Speaker 1:Plain green.
Speaker 4:Yeah, plain right, and stuff like that. You know what I mean. I felt like those were outtakes from the Wizardry album that he came out with several years ago. It was underwhelming to me. Scar tissue, of course, was dope, but I still felt like there was more to be given on that. The Hammers joint with Meth was phenomenal. I thought the joint with him and Himshik Looch and Jim Jones wasn't too bad. I think that was pretty dope. The Fat Joe joint was okay.
Speaker 4:I don't know where he dug up Ja Rule. I didn't like that collab. That was crazy. I don't know where he got Ja Rule from. To me that was like't know where you got your rule from? Um, so that was it. To me that was like what did they come on?
Speaker 4:Ghost, um, and you know we try to get ghosts on here. So I want to be very careful how I navigate this um overall. If we had the scale, the hip-hop tour scale of um, of the, uh, the, the mics or whatever you want to call it, pause, um, I'll probably give it like a three and a half man, and that's me being generous from a fan perspective. Um, because I can't appreciate what he was trying to do. But I think coop mentioned last week, uh, very lightly, on the scar tissue joint. He was saying how it sounded like ghostface 90 in a rapid shape right now. And that's important because a rapper of his elk, you know someone who's been in the game for so long, your ghost like about 55, I think, now 55, 56. So you're talking about a rapper who doesn't have that um, that, that that panache as old boy saying jango, he doesn't have that panache, um on on a mic like he used to have. But I also think it comes down to who's producing the album. You got to get ghost in his element.
Speaker 4:When you give ghost a ghost beat, a soulful joint, something he can rhyme over and to your point, I'm gonna leave it this and click it over to you, coop, um, the ag kind of. You touched on it as well. Pause when you were saying that it sounds like there's some dna from ghost on this album. Right, you can hear where he's going with it. You got the skit scene. They got the funny skits. You got him rapping over an actual track where the track is still playing in the background. You have all of those elements, but the landing. He's not sticking the landing, because I don't think you have a maestro like RZA in that room with you saying, hey, take that out, son, or put this back in, so like you don't have that conductor like RZA to help orchestrate the right feeling for that particular project. So, yeah, underwhelming for me. I'm not gonna front, but I'll kick it over to you, coop, so you can bring it up here Real quick, real quick, before Coop gives his take.
Speaker 1:You brought up outtakes that sounded like some outtakes. Ghost put a project out it was either the top of this year or last year called the Lost Tapes, and it was some true outtakes and I think it was pretty fire. If I'm being honest, it had some joints on there. But that just shows the difference in how somebody what's that?
Speaker 2:Better than this project.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, but that just shows the difference in somebody, how somebody used to rap, because we don't know how old those tracks are and how they're currently rapping. So you know, you could just hear the rust. So hopefully the rust is off if we are to get Supreme Clientel 2 and I'll pass it to you Coop.
Speaker 4:To your point if you think about Adrian Young, when they did the 12 Reasons to Die compilations, adrian Young brought out that ghost that was dope because he went back into that vault. He went into that soulful vault. You've got to give a ghost soulful music. You can't give him this stuff that we hear today in today's music. It doesn't stick to your ribs. That's not who he is. When you got like, I think, every song had a feature, every single song had a feature, and I don't want that from Ghost at this point. You know what I mean. Give me a three or four features, give me a Wu collect, give me a Wu ba 101, and let's call it a night. I just think he was trying to touch too many parts of the audience. Pause, go ahead, kool, sorry.
Speaker 2:So first of all I'm going to address the elephant in the room about why this album isn't that good. Ghost's voice don't sound good. It doesn't, it doesn't. I'm going to tell you something. I'm not joking when I'm saying this. You know I've been pulling up on hip hop talks. I've been letting people inside of my life a little bit more. So when I smoked weed there came a point in my life in my adulthood where I stopped smoking cigars and I started smoking. Papers About my chest, about my voice, about my vocal tone, like I'm serious. He needs to stop smoking. Like blunts, stop smoking cigarettes. It has affected his voice Vocally. He is not the same. Part of what makes Ghost darts so sharp is that his voice is sharp. It's not just what it says, it's the way that his voice pierces through a beat.
Speaker 2:When he's announcing his word, especially when he's finishing at the end of bars.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 2:Right, like. Think about this If he were to wrap the verse to impossible right now, it wouldn't have the same effect, because part of what makes that verse so special is the way that he's using his pitch Call the ambulance Jamie been shot. It's the panic, it's the frenetic, high-paced, high-pitched nature of it. Yes, yes.
Speaker 1:It's too gruff now.
Speaker 2:All of that is gone. Yeah, we can fish, toss salads and make rap ballads Right Different when he says rap ballads Right. Different when he says it like that, right, and so the the biggest problem with the album is actually him vocally.
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 1:Because somebody got a good point in the super chat. I mean not super chat, but he said they've been touring all year. Does that have? Do you think that that has something to do with the? You know his pitch, like his voice might have been strained over the course of the tour.
Speaker 2:AG, if it does. First of all, touring is part of the cycle of being an entertainer and an MC, so you need to prepare yourself properly. Get some green and black tea in the morning with some honey and some lemon every day.
Speaker 3:Keep your words to a minimum.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying You're older now, the way that you have to train is different, like the way that you train when you're 25 ain't the way that you train when you're 50. If you train, the same way look here, sean. You know this because we were talking behind the scenes. Oh, I'm doing the same workout that I was doing when I was 25, when I just started working back out. Now, the way my body feel the next day after doing the workout is totally different Facts.
Speaker 4:I'm in tour. My voice sounds crisp.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can't. It's like AG man, Nobody's comparing you to. Ghost.
Speaker 2:Think about it. Think about the Ghost verses that you remember, though Think about his voice. Why is sky blue?
Speaker 4:Why is water wet? Why?
Speaker 2:did Judas grab the Romans? Why did Jesus slip?
Speaker 3:Stand out. You don't look like you're dog stuck. That's his bread and butter. That's why he's saying it, though he sounds crazy.
Speaker 2:You feel like you're running through the projects with ghosts when he's talking.
Speaker 1:It's the inflections it is.
Speaker 2:It matters. Like Guru said, at the end of the day, it is about the voice, and so the voice is what's suffering more than anything else. Now let's get to the actual album real quick.
Speaker 1:Before you hit the album, we got a $5 super chat. Michael Williams, if you were ranking Pusha T and Freddie Gibbs strictly on a solo catalog no clips allowed who would you rank higher, Freddie?
Speaker 2:Pusha is my guy, but it's Freddie.
Speaker 1:Freddie has a better album catalog.
Speaker 2:Freddie has a better album catalog than a lot of these niggas, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Now, what was you going to say in regards to the album Coop?
Speaker 2:So I want to piggyback off Sean's point about you got to have certain types of tracks that bring stuff up out of Ghost, which is correct. But also, an executive producer's job isn't just to guide production-wise, it's to guide the artist content-wise, absolutely Content-wise, wise. Okay, let's look at ghost specifically in the realm, because the problem with this album is really that there's too many formulaic r&b for the women's songs. It's like ladies love ghost-faced album. You know I'm saying yes, yes. Well, here's the problem with that. It's not that Ghost can't talk about the ladies. Ghost is at his best when he talks from a certain perspective. When Ghost is talking traumatically, sexually and scorned about women is actually when he shines brightest about talking about women. Absolutely Ice cream Back like that Wildfire.
Speaker 4:Wildfire Ice cream Back like that Wildfire, wildfire, wildfire, wildfire.
Speaker 3:That was my anthem.
Speaker 4:That was my anthem.
Speaker 3:KMA.
Speaker 4:Remember KMA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kma. Oh my goodness, kma is one of them ones.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm talking about. That's when Ghost is at his zenith. Talking about the ladies so there's too much lady talk. Yeah, there's too much lady talk on here, yeah, and it's not that the lady talk is the problem, it's the perspective from which ghost is addressing it, because when ghost addresses it from those different perspectives, the track comes out different, absolutely, absolutely cool absolutely, and that's and that's, and that's.
Speaker 2:When rizza or somebody like that needs to be in the room, it's like no, no, you remember that. Remember that bitch you was in love with when we was in china for three months. Talk about her. Remember how she did you talk about her because when ghosts are doing that is when you're getting the best ghost. That's. The job of an executive producer is to get the best out of the artist absolutely and so, but we're not going to get that guys.
Speaker 4:That's not going to happen, we know that, but I think you can because Ghost is so witty. This is the same guy that said in the middle of a song, in the middle of the joint. He was like yo, I'm high power, put a Dina Howard to sleep. You're pardoned, that bitch is on my mind all week. He said in the middle of the record it had nothing to do with the soul. It's part of what makes the record special.
Speaker 1:What I mean is the RZA connection, part of what?
Speaker 4:makes Ghost special. That's what makes Ghost special.
Speaker 2:Think about it.
Speaker 4:Wisdom Body off the purple tape. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Wisdom Body is crazy. It's just the RZA connection that we're not going to get.
Speaker 3:I'm not talking about the RZA connection.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the executive production connection.
Speaker 4:Like.
Speaker 2:Apollo Brown, you know what I'm saying. I would love to hear Havoc do Ghost album, that's a good one. You know what I'm saying Because the perspective on the content is missing. The first half of the album is solid. These joints are just solid because here's what's really happening with Ghost. Although Ghost isn't my number two MC, I do have Ghost in my top ten. Now Ghost, it's safe to say Ghost has a top ten rap catalog right Easily.
Speaker 1:You could say five Top five.
Speaker 2:I was about to say some people might feel like the catalog is top five, right, absolutely Now. Method's top five. I'm about to say some people might feel like the catalog is top five, right, absolutely now. Now meth has been the star of the woo. Okay, ray's been the glue of the woo. I feel like old dirty bastard is the tipping point in the group because I don't think their music is the same without him in the fold in full, which is why enter the wu-tang is their best album.
Speaker 2:Old dirty bastard is the difference the energy, yeah, so odb is the difference. Old Dirty Bastard is the difference, the energy yeah. So ODB is the difference maker. Meth is the star, ray is the glue guy. Ghost has been the best member of the Wu-Tang clan. He's been the most consistent.
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:He's the best member of the best crew. The expectations are different when you're the best member of the best crew Absolutely, absolutely, but different when you're the best member of the best, absolutely that's it. You may not be the star, you may not be the street glue guy, you're not the supreme lyricist that GZA and Inspector Deck are, you're not the wild card that OBB is, but you are the fucking best we're gonna hold you to that shit because you have the range.
Speaker 4:You made Iron man, you made Supreme.
Speaker 2:Clientele. Well, how about this? Is he as lyrical as Jizz and Inspector Deck? No, but he can rhyme with them on any given day.
Speaker 3:But he does all the things, bro. He's more intelligent than all of them.
Speaker 1:Is he a star like Method Dirty?
Speaker 2:Is he a star like Method Dirty? No, but he is a star. Him and Ray is peanut butter and jelly. They're the best rap duo of all time, in my opinion. Like it's pound for pound. Nobody's fucking with Ray and Ghost.
Speaker 1:Before we get to the super chat, I like how you said Havoc to produce instead of Kanye to produce a Ghost album.
Speaker 2:But the producer that I'm going to Supreme clientele too with Kanye producing, but the producer that I'm going to throw out there is.
Speaker 1:I think Ghost will sound crazy over some Knife Wonder.
Speaker 2:I don't love. Okay, so here's why you have to put things on a level and say them respectfully. So I'm going to say this respectfully Supreme Clientele is one of the best rap albums ever. Oh easily. Havoc has produced albums better than Supreme Clientele. Knife Wonder hasn't. That's right. It's better than Supreme Clientele.
Speaker 4:Supreme.
Speaker 2:Clientele are comps for each other. You get what I'm saying. Havoc has produced on that level and made supreme clientele level albums so you don't have no nigga pulling up to do supreme clientele too, that hasn't provided supreme clientele results or above you can't.
Speaker 1:Well, Kanye has done that. It's just that we'll never get it. We never get that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so what Kanye album is better than Supreme clientele? To you From top to bottom.
Speaker 1:Yes, like that Kanye produced solely by himself. The only one in the conversation would be B, or which Dilla got a couple joints on there, but B is slap boxing with Supreme.
Speaker 2:I love B. B and Supreme are probably my two best rap albums in that five-year period. That and get rich or die trying is in there. But here's what I'll tell you the high moments on Supreme are better than the high moments on B and the albums are comparable. It's because those are the better rappers in common?
Speaker 3:I don't know he's not that much better.
Speaker 1:It's like we're talking about like high moments on B and the albums are comparable.
Speaker 2:It's because Ghost is a better rapper than Common, I don't know. He's not that much better. It's like we're talking about like 8 versus like 12 or 13. So it's like he's not that much better.
Speaker 4:Common is more tactician.
Speaker 2:But here's what I'm saying. When I'm saying that there's no Woo Banger 101 or we Made it, or Mighty Healthy on B, where it's just that rap shit, where it's like crack music to you. You know what I'm saying the corner.
Speaker 1:Don't do that, because the corner is that.
Speaker 2:The corner is that okay, so listen to what you're saying, but on Supreme Clientele. But on Supreme Clientele. One is that Mighty, healthy. Is that Buck 50? Is that we Made it? Is that Moobaga? 101 is that Stroke of Death? Is that Mighty Healthy? Is that Buck 50? Is that we Made it? Is that Moobank 101? Is that Stroke of Death? Is that Keep?
Speaker 4:going, keep going. It's one of the best rap titles ever.
Speaker 3:It's one of the best rap titles ever.
Speaker 2:When you listen to the album, it's like no, this is some Supreme clientele shit.
Speaker 1:So you think that Havoc present day can provide that, because we've heard the project with that. He did with styles P and let's, let's tell some truth.
Speaker 2:That was a short length project, I don't care, I don't care about how many. How would it be? Styles is an all time great MC. Styles is not ghosts Like. The expectation is different. And how you would have to say it. How were the beats? See, I said executive produce. I didn't say necessarily the beats I said executive production wise.
Speaker 1:I got you okay.
Speaker 4:I would be okay with mathematics doing it he could tap into that RZA sound.
Speaker 1:he is like you know, he is truly RZA's understudy and I don't think he gets enough credit and he could tap into that sound like no other.
Speaker 4:Give me mathematics and forth the cycle. If.
Speaker 1:I'm being real if I'm being real. Mathematics, once you got to a certain point in time, mathematics could do RZA better than RZA could do himself. Boss.
Speaker 4:That was crazy Big pause.
Speaker 3:That was wild.
Speaker 4:Y'all on the road tonight. What the what's going on?
Speaker 1:Mathematics could do RZA-style production better than RZA couldn't tap back into that himself.
Speaker 2:When was the last time Mathematics did beats like that, though guys Like why y'all talking about half?
Speaker 1:Well, he did the whole. The Wu-Tang Saga Continues project he did that whole joint.
Speaker 2:That was two years ago, maybe one two years ago nah, that was more than that so, like I said, I would go call Conductor Alchemist Hit-Boy Havoc Executive Produce or Co-Executive Produce with RZA. Yeah, I'd be cool if Q-T Hit Boy Havoc executive produced or co-executive produced with RZA yeah. I'd be cool if Q-Tip did it. You got to get a hitter for Supreme 2.
Speaker 4:Ain't no regular nigga about to do it, it's Supreme 2. You got to go back to the essence. You got to go back to it. Think about this.
Speaker 2:When Ray did Purple Tape 2,. It's like no J Dilla, dr Dre R too.
Speaker 4:It's like no jay dilla, dr dre risen you get what I'm saying like no, he didn't just go. No, he went and got hitters right, because you gotta update the sound. You gotta update the sound.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, stick to the basics, though update, sticking to the basics let's get this uh, five dollar super chat and then we'll move on to the next topic From 88 Spence what up? $5 super chat. He says that's what Conway is missing a great executive producer. I mean not just to pick on Conway, I think a lot of artists are missing a great executive producer.
Speaker 2:Are you not listening to these albums? We keep having the same conversations about editing, about quality, about staying powerful project. That's executive production. That's artist in development, yeah, or artist in repertoire. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:That's not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2:It is a thing still, fellas, it just operates on a much more minor level than it used to Like. An A&R used to be the tipping point of getting your project put together, and now an A&R is more like finding the local artist in the city and making sure that they're monetizing on social media and YouTube and making sure they're getting their streams up and they're following up. The game's different, yeah it is.
Speaker 1:Before we get to talking about these disc records, um rankings in particular game, put out a disc record against uh rose called free raise revenge. What do you guys think about that record? I?
Speaker 4:thought it was dope. It's game. It's game. People don't like game antics.
Speaker 2:I'm a game fan.
Speaker 4:I've always been a game fan. But people like his antics. But game can go at it with anybody straight up and ross knows that you know. You notice ross didn't try to antics with game like he did with drake or anyone else because he'd know he'd be in for a long fight messing with game, because game would not stop game's biggest. To me I've always felt like his biggest strength was his consistency. When it comes to that. Once he's on you, he's on you. Pause and the fan base they don't like him. No one said anything about when Ross was doing that little corny stuff, when he was like the BBL, drizzly and going on TikTok and all these other crazy forums being goofy. No one said anything to Ross about that. But now, when Game asked you to put out a solid effort, a solid diss track, Now, granted, it came out of nowhere.
Speaker 4:He put a solid effort. Now they want to be like yo, game is crazy. Game shouldn't be jumping into this. Ross should never jump into the whole situation with Drake. So we got to keep it a butt crossed or bored. If anybody I want to see go at somebody, it's game against ross and ross.
Speaker 4:I used to be a ross fan, but as of late, ross ross may get a little too big for his britches pause to the point where he think that he's big in the way he really is. And I told y'all a couple weeks ago I said ross is a big distraction and game came out. Game removed him from that. Because now notice, ross hasn't said anything since Game made that record. He hasn't tweeted anything, he hasn't gone online or nothing like that. He did some goofy stuff in the skating rink and fell down like a goofy, but that was it. Other than that, he's not going to go back at Game. I enjoyed the record. It came and went. I'm going to be honest with you. I haven't listened to it since the weekend, but it came and went.
Speaker 1:But we got to respect who game is, even though he does goofy stuff. To me he has one of the top five diss tracks of all time. Maybe not five as a stretch, maybe top ten. I think it would be ranked higher if the targets were a little bit. You know higher profile, but to me pest control is one of the best diss tracks ever.
Speaker 4:Amazing.
Speaker 1:Just scathing from top to bottom. But Meek was already cooked by Drake and beans was on you know downhill side of his career.
Speaker 1:So the target is wrong though yeah, yeah, the intended targets for this track to be great and we're going to get to this in a minute for for this track to be great, truly great, the targets have to be of high stature and high profile. And I think pest control is not mentioned with a lot of these tracks because of who the targets were. But that's one of my favorite disc records of all time. It doesn't get talked about enough. I think the joint he put out against Ross is tough as well. Dope beats you know I had two different beats on there. You know game is a spitter. I don't think it's left field as much as people say. It is out of nowhere. If somebody you know and kind of fly with is getting snuffed out 20v1, you know and to kind of fly with is getting snuffed out 20 v one, you might go and help. You know might snuff one of the opposers out yourself.
Speaker 4:So I don't think it's as random as many people saying it is so what you got. Can I jump on that real quick, paul? Can I jump on that? Because that the 20 v one thing, this is not something new. We've seen this happen before, right right, this is not like a whole redemption of something that just happened. There's a lot of things that happen. 20 versus one, you know. I mean we had the whole jaru thing of course we had before. You know they tried it with. You know at one point they tried it with naz, state property tried to get at naz at one point because he hurt jay feelings, you know. I mean. So this whole 20 v1 thing, you know, even game was going at g unit and he went for dolo. For the most part he took out g unit for dolo. So that whole 20 v1 thing, you know, with the whole dre, this is not a new thing, this is real thing, you know I mean well it does make a little bit of a difference.
Speaker 1:Just to speak on this real. Uh, quick, before you go coop, because, like the drake his problem I ain't going to say his problem, but we only wanted to hear him rap against one guy, which was Kendrick.
Speaker 3:That's all we wanted to hear.
Speaker 1:But it does say something. Regardless if Kendrick wanted help or not, he got help, you know, because that does affect how the landscape looks. Because you got all the Kendrick fans, you know, riding for Kendrick. You can't convince me that, like the same people who listen to Ross religiously are also listening to Kendrick like that, but they're going to ride for Kendrick because you know Ross says, you know it's the one against Drake. Then you got the weekend fan base, which is large fan base.
Speaker 1:Metro Booman did a whole you know viral challenge with the BBL thing and he's the most popular producer out here right now. So you got his old fan base, futures old fan base. So all these fan bases combined because it's going to be some overlap there. But once you combine all these fan bases going at one person as the ops, it is going to make a difference. So all those fan bases were in concert with kendrick. So it did add a little extra to what you know kendrick was putting out against um, against drake, because he had all the other fan bases backing him as well. So I think it is something to be said for the 20 v1. But kendrick won it on his own back. You know, won the battle. Now we want to get to that, but I'm not going to sit here and act like that didn't play a factor with those other fan bases. You know no doubt. So what you got to poop.
Speaker 2:The game. This record is dope Cause game is dope Game's a great battle rapper. Yeah, he's a great rapper. He's actually the holder of one of the better rap catalogs of the last 20 years Absolutely His rap catalog. How about this? It's like Game's rap catalog or Freddie Gibbs' rap catalog Game.
Speaker 4:And it's not even close.
Speaker 1:Correct. No, no Better question Game's catalog or Ross's catalog? The person that he did game it's not by much Ross's catalog is so here's what I'll tell you.
Speaker 2:It's comparable Ross's best five albums and games best five albums it doesn't play out the same, because you got the documentary, that's fair. You got Doctor's Advocate. You've got Jesus Peace, the Red Album. You've got LAX.
Speaker 3:LAX is dope I play.
Speaker 2:Bulletproof Diaries with Ray. All the time Angel with Common House of Pain.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 2:Hear me out.
Speaker 4:I will put Game Catalog against Kendrick Catalog. I would too.
Speaker 2:It's comfortable.
Speaker 4:Most definitely comfortable. That's a beautiful view.
Speaker 2:It's actually better because and I'm not being shady when I say this he's been here and done all of the work you have to do. All of the work. It's not what your talent says, it's what your output says. Like, there are a lot of people who are more athletic and agile and have better like talents and gifts than Tony Gwynn, but ain't nobody been better at hitting a baseball the last 50 years? You know what I'm saying, because he consistently stepped to the plate and made contact with the ball all the time Game. Consistently, has made contact throughout the course of his career, no matter what circumstance you put in. You put him with dr dre make a great album. Put him by himself make a great album. Put him with g unit make a great album. Collaborations make a great album. By himself make a great album. Double album make two great albums. He, he's got everything that you want in a catalog and I'm a Ross guy and I love.
Speaker 2:Ross. But I'm with you. He beats Kendrick's catalog on volume. You might value Kendrick's songs more, but Kendrick don't have more bangers than Game. If Game were to go up against Kendrick and we're picking 20 songs, kendrick is in trouble.
Speaker 1:Game has more albums, too, to go to, because Kendrick has a handful of albums.
Speaker 2:You have to rap regularly. You have to rap regularly. Facts he became great by rapping regularly guys. He's not a great MC on the documentary, but the guy on the Doctor's Advocate is pretty great. The guy that's popping up on LAX, it's like damn.
Speaker 1:By the time you get into Jesus P, it's like, oh, this thing is amazing he gets a lot of points deducted from, for one, the goofy stuff he does and then, for two, the name dropping, you know. And then I think a lot of people don't like that. He's a chameleon because he'll collaborate with artists and adaptive style, adaptive voices, and I think a lot of people don't like that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so we're talking about people don't like how he switch up, but we just got done having complaints early in the show about Conway keeping it the same. This is why I'm saying you can't really be feeding into that shit. Look at how we started off the show talking about Conway and people like, oh, it's not enough variety. And now we're getting the game and it's like, oh well, he always be switching up. It's like what the fuck do you?
Speaker 4:want. Well, fans are going to be inconsistent, no matter what you pick and choose, who you want to rock with, regardless. Right, it's because the game, the person.
Speaker 1:I've said this on our last three or four shows it's not the message, it's the messenger that people are more so worried about.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, I say that when I have that LeBron-Steph KD conversation yeah we got a $2 super chat real quick from Esquire.
Speaker 1:Shout out to you, esquire, you've been hitting us with the super chats. It says unpopular opinion LAX's game's second best album, the doctor's advocate. I think you can argue doctor's advocate, lax's game second best album, the Doctor's Advocate, and I think you can argue Doctor's?
Speaker 2:Advocate On a lot of levels. If we're talking about degree of difficulty, doctor's Advocate is actually his best album.
Speaker 1:He had been abandoned. For real, he had been abandoned.
Speaker 4:Most artists would have break after that because you lost the biggest producer at that time Dre, and you lost the biggest movement.
Speaker 3:And the biggest artist at that time, Dre, and you lost the biggest movement.
Speaker 2:And the biggest artist, biggest movement, biggest artist, biggest producer, biggest cosigns yes.
Speaker 4:And to make an album like that.
Speaker 2:You followed up with a banging album, Compton joined with William. Yeah, Compton with William Wouldn't Get Far with Kanye, All Around the World with Jamie Foxx. Why?
Speaker 3:You.
Speaker 2:Hate the Game with Just Blaze and Nas Old English Scream on them with. Swizz, that's a classic Valley Vacation Old English.
Speaker 4:Yeah, again, separate. You got to give it up the game. No one knows game personally, so let's keep it a buck. So separate your disdain for him, for whatever antics he pulled, and listen to the music. If you're a hip-hop fan, you got to appreciate what game brings to the table.
Speaker 2:How many other people run around here pulling antics and we never say a fucking word about them?
Speaker 1:There's two people that suffer the most from this that have stellar catalogs. There's Game and there's TI. Those are the two guys that suffer the most from this.
Speaker 2:Look here.
Speaker 1:I'm an ATL guy and.
Speaker 2:I'm of the train of thought. Ti is the most versatile MC to ever come out of this region and I don't know if his catalog is better than Game's. It's not. It's not but he gets treated.
Speaker 3:The same because of his answers.
Speaker 2:He gets treated the same. I'll tell you why I feel that way, though, because I do feel like tips best four or five albums compete with games best four or five albums. Now, maybe after that it becomes a game conversation. But TI actually has a trap music to go up against a documentary. He has a paper trail to go up against doctor's advocate.
Speaker 2:He has a urban legend to go up against LAX. He has a King to go up against Jesus peace. Like he has stuff to go up against LAX, he has a king to go up against Jesus Peace, he has stuff to go up against it. So it is comparable for me. But because Game has worked, and worked consistently I can't say this enough because he has worked consistently and built his craft and been consistent at releasing albums, he has amassed one of the better rap catalogs of all time. You can't deny the fucking music. I don't care if you don't like him or not, and you gotta give it to him.
Speaker 4:You gotta give it to him. He also took down G-Unit for Dolo. He did. You cannot take that off him.
Speaker 1:And then to your point about working. I said earlier about Paisley Dreams. At the top of the year that's coming off of releasing a double album the previous year with the hard work of my.
Speaker 2:He sounds stellar on Paisley Dreams he does he? Sounds stellar on Paisley Dreams.
Speaker 1:He does he sounds?
Speaker 4:stellar. He sounds amazing, and we haven't even talked about the mixtapes that he's had. No, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:That's what I mean, this dude raps he raps all the time. He's a rapper.
Speaker 4:Rapper. You and I were on the West Coast around the same time in 2004 when Game was coming out. I was living in San Diego. They were going crazy over the game.
Speaker 2:They were crazy. Like I said, the only thing I've ever seen like it is Jeezy here, it's Jeezy here and Game and Cali I ain't never seen no shit like that in my life, I haven't seen nothing like it, since it's been 20 years.
Speaker 4:Never seen it, never seen it, I'm looking. I was in a club looking goofy too, tim's, with some Anichi button-ups.
Speaker 2:Yankee fitted. You got to get some Vickys and some Vans back then yo Coop.
Speaker 4:I was so New York in those San Diego clubs, timberlands, dragging the floor with the Nietzsche. You want to know what's crazy is that?
Speaker 2:I've always had both, like I've always liked Dickies and Tims, so it's like I had like all that shit, so it's like you wore Dickies with the Tims.
Speaker 4:You wore Dickies with the Tims.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. I'm saying I've always had both, so you transition.
Speaker 4:It's like the Tims, the Tims never got broke out while I was in Cali, the dickies, oh yeah, yeah, every fucking weekend. I never wore dickies.
Speaker 1:Got to get some dickies in Cali. I did the dickies with the tips, but we'll move on.
Speaker 4:And you wore lugs. I bet you wore lugs back in the day.
Speaker 1:Yo, that's crazy. Never wore lugs on.
Speaker 4:Way Above.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. Moving on, moving on guys. That's crazy, Moving on, moving on guys. So we talked about the beef a little bit. Y'all want to go ahead and put a bow on the Kendrick and Drake thing. Moving forward, Because seemingly the battle's over at this point.
Speaker 2:First of all, you want to know I'm starting off. No, I have something to say.
Speaker 1:I didn't even get the full question out, I don't care.
Speaker 2:He was waiting. No, no, no. I'm serious when I say this. Drake, you owe me an OVO jacket because I'm the only nigga in Atlanta that took up for you. I'm going to need a white leather. Ovo jacket Needs to say Coop in Carolina. Blue letters on one side. You, a dude fan, don't do that. I'm still from North Carolina. We're going to take the Carolina blue because it looks better on the white leather. The Carolina blue is going to look better on the white leather.
Speaker 4:I want my white leather. You owe me a white leather.
Speaker 2:I'm going to need the hip-hop talks patch. You can throw a little OVO patch on there, since niggas think I'm campaigning for you anyway. But you owe me a white leather, a butter soft white leather, cool Carolina blue. Hip hop talks patch, ovo patch, because, nigga, nobody in Atlanta supported you except for me. I want my jacket when you come to the city.
Speaker 4:I want my white leather.
Speaker 2:I want my butter soft white leather. Don't be getting that cheap leather. I know what Italian leather is nigga, I got one in the closet. Bring me some Italian leather, don't bring me no.
Speaker 4:California leather Coop. Rants OVO Coop.
Speaker 3:I want my jacket.
Speaker 1:I want my motherfucking white leather.
Speaker 4:That's crazy, double crazy, ovo patch, double crazy. I see you double, double crazy out there. He said the OVO patch.
Speaker 2:But watch your tone. You watch your tone. You want to say that you watch your tone.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think that the battle's seemingly over right and Kendrick is evidently the victor.
Speaker 2:There's about to be some petty shots taken, I feel like over the course of this summer, but it's over Definitely.
Speaker 1:I think that Drake's going to go back to doing subs. And the other day, it was election day two days ago, gentlemen, and I was talking to one of my homies and he was like back to doing subs. And you know, the other day, uh, it was election day two days ago, gentlemen, and I was talking to one of my homies and he was like you know what we was talking about? Voting. He was like drake lost his battle because most of his fans ain't gonna go to the polls and vote for him. Man, like because he hit me with the cannabis line.
Speaker 1:He said 99 of his fans wait to wear high heels and you know they're not going to like get in these debates and stuff, so you know, they don't even care, they don't care, they don't they still love them all the same.
Speaker 2:They're unaffected by it.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's, it's hip-hop casuals. But what I'll say about the battle is is two things um, for kendrick winning. I think that you know he won and we know it's how he released the records, because if you line the records up, they're very comparable as far as, like you know, spit and bar work or what have you. But I think where I'm going to give kudos to Kendrick on this is because he approached this like.
Speaker 1:Kendrick is very conceptual, right, and I think he approached this battle like he would approach making the album. I think when he set it off on like that, he already had a lot of these records in the tub. He just kind of fine tuned them or whatever. You know, I got the west coast banger, I got the joint where I psychoanalyze him, I got the joint where I'm talking to his family. I got, you know, I think he already had the concepts done and then the skeletons of each song and I think he approached it like an album because he gave him pretty much a four pack, an EP of this records, right, and I think, in the grand scheme of things, since the last hit was not like us, which is a banger, but I think it's overblown and we're going to get to the rankings in a minute.
Speaker 1:I think it's overblown because it was the last in a series of hits in a combo. Remember, on a couple of shows ago I said he might not get that knockout punch, but he's got a combo going right. Not like us was the last hit in that combo. He got hit with a four pack in a in about a two week span. But just putting things in proper perspective, man, I just think back to like how dope, you know, just you know, bring a nozzle into it again. Like, imagine, if you know this wasn't close together, but imagine if, uh, the um I for not freestyle, the, the I4Ni Freestyle, the Paid in Full Joint, the Steelmatic Freestyle, ether and Last Real Nigga Live was a four-pack. You know what I'm saying. That was presented like that. They were spaced out a little bit more, but that four-pack looks more impressive than this four-pack.
Speaker 2:But I just think, Come and get me with a cheap shot too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. But I think the way kendrick produced I mean produced the records like one after another it was just like a crazy combo that, you know, put drake on the mat, but here's the thing, though. I think this approach has got him back into a rhythm this and Drake, but that's been the topic of all his raps.
Speaker 1:If this, is transitioning to album mode. He's hot as fish grease right now. He doesn't need to fumble the bag because I haven't seen anybody this hot at one particular time in recent years since Jada did the Versus against Dipset. So if Kendrick doesn't drop an album this year, I think that's going to be from the end of that.
Speaker 2:This is about his album. It's a rollout. I believe that too. This is about his album.
Speaker 4:It has to land, though it has to land.
Speaker 2:That's the biggest thing at this point, I think it will Okay. So let's have a little legacy talk, because here's how I feel about this. Well, the best ability is availability. Right, he's been available right now, but for the better part of the last seven years he has not been available Right, but if we want to do legacy we got.
Speaker 2:Hold on hold on AG. That's not making me a hater, that's a fact. He's made one rap album in seven years, one In the last seven years he's made one rap album, and so this looks more like a revival to me than some sort of coronation. But the revival's not complete without the project that reflects it and, much like Ghostface, the standards for Kendrick are high, maybe even higher than Ghostface, according to the masses.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely high.
Speaker 2:And so understand the reason that I called that album so bad. So understand the reason that I called that album so bad and the reason that I think that album is so bad. We'll go look at the three to four previous rap albums that he made and tell me that it's not a precipitous drop off in quality of music that he made with his last project, which is the only project and piece of work that we have to go off to set the last seven years. I'm not pivoting off of that because he won this battle. Now does he deserve maybe, to be bumped up some notches because he won this battle and kind of put himself in more of a number one position in terms of this generation? Absolutely, but does that?
Speaker 2:make him one of the MCs of all time, necessarily cracking a top 10?. Let me finish AG for real, like that, necessarily in terms of cracking the top 10. Let me finish AG for real. Does that make him the number one? Does that make him the top 10 MC of all time? I don't think so necessarily, because none of those other guys had a seven-year run where they did shit like this, where there was only one project to speak of and the project was this poor. Nobody else that's in that conversation that he getting placed in has done that. Now why is he getting the pass?
Speaker 1:There is somebody in the conversation. Not seven years in this whack shit, it is, it is. We got to start telling the truth If we holding Kendrick's feet to the fire we got to do this. So two things real quick.
Speaker 3:I think, Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Let me finish, hold on. I think kendrick is in a rhythm where he won this battle because he did a better drake impression than drake could do a kendrick impression. Right, he's making the hit records. He's making you know, conceptual joints. He's still spitting lyrically. He have, you know, both fan bases in the palm of his hand. So if he's in album mode he's in a good rhythm. But you know, to the five-year break, we gotta stop harping on that so much because it's been done. No, I didn't say that.
Speaker 2:You're not listening, AG. I said seven years one album it's been seven. Now it's 2024. It's not 2022 anymore.
Speaker 3:My G it's 2024.
Speaker 2:And he's made one rap album in seven years. Go show me the other top ten. He's made one rap album in seven years and the shit is trashy like this.
Speaker 1:You could be loud and wrong. So what's the? Where do you got Rakim ranked at?
Speaker 2:Okay, rakim, never made Okay.
Speaker 1:So before you even go there, I asked you where you got to rank that you're not answering the question where do you? Got to rank that he's top 5 did he slide because of his 5 year break?
Speaker 2:no, because he came back with a quality project.
Speaker 1:The 18th letter is done nobody talks about the 18th letter. Let's be real, we got to start telling some harsh truths. Nobody talks about the 18th letter and our main beef with kendrick is that he took those five years off in his prime. But what I got here? Is kendrick is way better than mr moran listen, listen, way better than mr moran listen like leaps and bounds it's got, the saga begins no, no, no, no fuck all that.
Speaker 2:No, you're trying to downplay the 18th Letter. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1:It's not like it.
Speaker 2:It's got. The Saga Begins. Produced by Pete Rock, those two records are blowing everything out on Mr Morales.
Speaker 1:You know what? Covered it up Because it had the greatest hits attached to it too. So we forget about how the new material sounded Because it had the greatest hits attached to it too. So we forget about how the new material sounded because it had the greatest like we got to start telling the harsh truths about our legends sometimes. So kendrick took his five-year break from the age of 29 to 34, which we think is his prime rock him at 92 when don't sweat, the technique came out. And then the 18th later came out, 97. He was 24 years old and came back at 29 now. Granted, back then MC's had running back years, but if we gonna like hold Kendrick to that standard, we gotta hold Rod to that same standard.
Speaker 2:Adriel, I don't think you understand. Tell me why it's different no, no, I'm about to tell you exactly why it's different. When Rock M State stepped away from the mic, he was widely considered to be the greatest MC of all time. When he stepped away Am I wrong, sean he?
Speaker 3:was, but that's what we hold against Kendrick because he stepped away in the front.
Speaker 2:Hold on, listen to what I'm saying Now say whatever you want to say about the 18th letter. When he came back he showed lyrical capability and skills and talent and songs on that album that were worthy of his all-time great and greatest MC of all-time placement. That's why I'm bringing up it's Been a Long Time the saga of again.
Speaker 1:He wasn't better than an MC that dropped on that same day.
Speaker 2:No, he wasn't better than 97 Ho hove. But that's not what we're talking about. You're trying to change the conversation. I'm saying that that guy that left when he left, he left at number one all time. Kendrick didn't leave number one all time when he left. That's the first thing, no okay, so stop making the comparison. One guy, when he stepped away, was considered to be the greatest mc of all time, right? So kendrick ain't never been considered the greatest mc of all time so that's not after rock him.
Speaker 2:The field got deeper after rock him though let me finish and listen to what I'm saying. When rock him came back, he showed traces of that guy. Where the fuck do you see traces of Good Kid Mad City on Mr Morale?
Speaker 1:No, but we're seeing that now.
Speaker 2:None of these records are good enough to make Good Kid Mad City Adriel, that's wild.
Speaker 1:Not like us can't make Good Kid Mad City.
Speaker 4:No, it cannot.
Speaker 2:God no. Good Kid, mad City is arguably the best rap album of the last 15 years. Hell no, that. Kid Mad City is arguably the best rap album of the last 15 years.
Speaker 4:Hell no, that album, that song is not good enough to make that album Not like us, won't make it Not like us, won't be on the cutting floor. Mama sing with me on 9th and 3rd.
Speaker 2:Backseat Freestyle.
Speaker 4:Bitch.
Speaker 2:Don't Kill my Vibe. Money Trees, master Swinner.
Speaker 4:Duran's Daughter West Coast for real.
Speaker 2:No, no, I love the West Coast. I'm running down all the names of the tracks on Good Kid, mad City, name the record that I said that. That record's fucking with.
Speaker 1:Man Not Like Us is hard Y'all tripping.
Speaker 2:I'm not fucking with anything on Good.
Speaker 1:Kid Mad City, sir, but listen but the whole thing is a rock Well you got a whole rock him to the same standard that you hold in Kendrick to because of the break you know, because he took the break in his prime. So that's even more of an indictment If you're saying he stepped away as the greatest at that time and took a five year break. That's more you argue in that point. But that's more of an indictment on Rod and it is on Kendrick.
Speaker 2:Is the 18th letter better than Mr Morale AG? And? Was Rockin' better than Kendrick when he left? Why do you act like you're thinking about that? If the answer's to both of those questions and yes, then I'm right.
Speaker 1:The 18th letter got better records like a handful of songs, but as an overall project. I don't think it's that far Hold on. Name your top five joints off the 18th Letter Go. No no no, hold on.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, no. You can't skip past the Mr Morale. He asked Mr Morale versus 18th Letter and you have to keep pondering on that Like what's that upon 18th?
Speaker 1:Letter might be a little bit better, but the gap is not crazy.
Speaker 3:18th Letter wasn't like that.
Speaker 1:Y'all know it wasn't like that.
Speaker 2:Mr Morales is not like that. Look at how five joints on 18th Letter.
Speaker 1:You can't name five joints on 18th Letter. I'm about to Hold on.
Speaker 2:I'm about to actually I'll go in order of how I think that they rank. I think the Saga Begins by Pete Rock is the best song on the album.
Speaker 1:That's dope.
Speaker 2:I think it's Been a Long Time by DJ Premier is second. I think New York, produced by DJ Premier is third. But look what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Coop, those caveats. Produced by Pete Rock, produced by DJ Premier. You know what I'm saying. You're naming the producers. For what is Rakim doing on these songs?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on, I'm naming the producers because, educationally and informationally, we may have some people who may not know who did those records, because we may have people following us.
Speaker 1:I'll see you right through that BS Coop. You ain't doing that.
Speaker 2:You ain't doing that. Hold on. You're asking me to name the records, but you're not letting me name the records.
Speaker 1:I'm going to let Sean name the records, because I know you know five records.
Speaker 2:I want Sean to name five Guess who's back.
Speaker 4:Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 2:Guess who's? Back, which was the first single produced by Clark Kent, who was awesome.
Speaker 1:That was hard. I love that record.
Speaker 2:I just gave you four. For me, I would say the Mystery who Is God would be my number five.
Speaker 1:That's a dope record.
Speaker 4:So, ag, why don't you name three? So name me five records on Mr Morale.
Speaker 2:That's fucking. With those five records that I named.
Speaker 4:I make it easy for you no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:You asked me to name five records.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 2:Sean. He asked me to name five records on the 18th letter. I want you to name five records on Mr Morale, and look how fucking crazy you sound no listen to how fucking crazy. You're about to sound putting those five records together.
Speaker 1:Remind the tape. When did I ever say I was a big fan of Mr Morale Y'all hyping up the 18th letter? When did I say I was a big fan of Mr Morale Y'all?
Speaker 2:hyping up the 18 Letter. When did I say I was a big fan of Mr Morale? You're saying that the albums are comparable. I'm saying name those five songs. But I'm going to tell you that it's not comparable. Name five.
Speaker 1:Stop it. I said y'all moving the goalpost Name five Because I said y'all are not holding Rod to the same standard that y'all holding.
Speaker 2:Kendrick to Name the five records.
Speaker 1:I don't listen to Mr Morale like that. I'm telling you that I don't listen to 18th Letter like that either. When was the last time y'all played 18th Letter? Be for real. We gotta start telling the truth about our legends, bro, for real.
Speaker 2:If I can remember five records off the top of my head from when that album came out, when I was 15, going on 16 years old. It literally came out right before I turned 16. And you can't remember five songs from two years ago and you're sitting up here trying to make a comparative analysis Y'all are changing the argument. No, no.
Speaker 1:You said you love 18th Letter, did you not? Did you not?
Speaker 2:You just said that Mr Morale and the 18th Letter were close. Now you're going to name five records and prove it.
Speaker 1:Rewind the tape. I said the 18th Letter have better individual records, but as an overall project they're comparable, that's what I said.
Speaker 2:I just named five of the fucking 13 songs on the album Name. Five of the fucking 13 songs.
Speaker 1:What was the rest of them? Like Coop. What was the rest of them like?
Speaker 2:Hold on. The 18th Letter intro is hard too. The intro to the album is hard too, so it stay a while, which was a single.
Speaker 1:Does anybody talk about the 18th Letter other than you, Coop?
Speaker 4:Name five Adriel.
Speaker 1:I don't like Mr Morale, like that. I keep trying to tell y'all. That's all I'm saying. Y'all are turning this into a Mr Morale vs 18th Letter argument, which it is not. You bought up the 5 year break.
Speaker 2:What were the albums?
Speaker 1:after the 5 year break it don't matter what was the albums like it doesn't matter when you bought it up. You bought up the 5 year break you gotta hold it to the same standard. You gotta hold it to the same standard. You gotta hold them to the same standard. You didn't drop Rakim on your list.
Speaker 2:Hold on, you're not missing on my plan.
Speaker 1:Did you drop Rakim when he came back? Huh, because the 18th letter is not on the level of his four albums with Eric B, is it not?
Speaker 2:No, it's not.
Speaker 1:Okay, so did you drop his status.
Speaker 2:Actually, to be honest with you, I think it and Don't Sweat the Technique are actually comparable albums.
Speaker 1:Don't Sweat. The Technique was the worst of the four with Eric B. Yes, but at the same time.
Speaker 2:The song of the day was better than everything on. Don't Sweat the Technique.
Speaker 1:But did you drop Rod's status based on the merit of what he was putting that or just other dudes past them, namely like big J, nas or pop? Or did you drop rock him Like yo? Rock him been gone for five years and he came out with an okay project, so I'm going to drop them down on my list. That's not based on the America, what rock him is doing, that's based on other people passing them up. You saying Kendrick needs to be dropped down based on taking that five year break and then coming out with a quality, with a project that's not as far.
Speaker 2:That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that he needs to be dropped.
Speaker 3:That's what you missed.
Speaker 2:I'm saying he doesn't need to be as high as he has been. To begin with, I said that this guy is a top 10 MC all time based on the trajectory of when Dan was last released. Since then he has not kept up that trajectory, so the slide has to do with him not keeping pace with the trajectory. Not that he's not deserving of it.
Speaker 1:Neither was Rakim. That's what I'm saying If you say he was the greatest man you've ever met.
Speaker 2:So listen to what I'm saying when I say this. Kendrick's trajectory when Dam got released, was creeping into the top 10. When Rakim left, got released, was creeping into the top 10. When rock him left, he was number one. Those slides are not created equally. Sir has in. Rock him may have slid, but he slid from like one to like three, four or five. Kendrick has slid from like 10 to 15. So I have been accurate with the slide, because where I hold rock him right now personally on my list is behind Nas objectively, behind Jay objectively, behind Pac objectively, and so I have him at number four. So he did slide three places objectively.
Speaker 1:But is most of that merit.
Speaker 2:That I've given to Kendrick. I had Kendrick at around 11 or 12, and right now it's looking more like 15, 16.
Speaker 1:But is that merit based on more so Rakim coming back and not being up to par, or what Jay-Z, nas and Big and all them were doing themselves?
Speaker 2:Can I tell you the truth?
Speaker 3:Of course, I want you to tell the truth.
Speaker 2:I remember exactly where I was because I bought the 18th letter in Volume 1 on the same day and I listened to the 18th letter first because I was more excited about rock m coming back than jay's second album. As soon as I listened to a million and one question, I was like it's a new day you can hear the difference.
Speaker 1:You can hear the difference you can hear the difference.
Speaker 2:That's, but that's how the rap game goes. But rock m was good enough with the 18th letter that he was walking around and he was still in the conversation with Nas and Big and Jay and KRS for greatest MC of all time. He was still in that conversation because of you could hear the high level of lyricism still being exhibited on the 18th letter. The thing that has made Kendrick great is his album-making ability. He just made a bad album. Not one song on Mr Morale is one of his top 20 or 30 songs.
Speaker 1:There is some top 20 songs, but we gotta keep it a buck. Our favorite, nas, made Nostradamus. What are we doing? We gotta keep it a buck. The five-year break adds to that Nostradamus is better. I agree with that. I'm asking you a question though. So you're saying it's the combination of the five-year break and then, when you come back, you don't deliver something even close to being up on par with what you delivered before.
Speaker 2:Listen how about this? It's literally like somebody who's batting 330, 340 for their career coming back and batting 270. It's like where's the motherfucker who's batting 330, 340?
Speaker 3:Like where's that guy at?
Speaker 1:I don't think that the album is bad enough to drop him like. Five slots based off that one album alone. That's crazy to me.
Speaker 2:It's not just the one album. It's been seven years since you sounded great consistently. Rakim still sounds great on the 18th letter. Adriel Kendrick doesn't sound great on Mr Morale. That's what I'm saying. Rakim still sounds great on the 18th letter. Photography lens Properly show gems and properly push pins and show qualities gems.
Speaker 4:The hardest.
Speaker 2:Maybe tomorrow we win if we count all the dollars and keep track. No, no, it's not the same thing, it wasn't a drop off.
Speaker 4:Lyrically he didn't drop off.
Speaker 2:Lyrically, he didn't drop off, he just wasn't in tune and he wasn't as touched. His best days had passed him by. Lyrically, he didn't drop off, he just wasn't in tune and he wasn't his touch.
Speaker 4:his best days have passed him by, but lyrically he was still in the soundscape.
Speaker 3:How about this?
Speaker 4:soundscape played a fact lyrically.
Speaker 2:If we're talking lyrically, the only guys lyrically that had proven that they had passed him by 1997 were jay and naz. If we're just talking lyrically as far as past him, yeah, by 90, 96 naz had passed him. That's what I'm saying it was written in like 96, 97 Hovers the only guys lyrically better than Rakim after a five year break, like dude. There's a slew of guys that's been out rapping Kendrick for the last seven years.
Speaker 4:A slew get the two super chats real quick.
Speaker 1:I see one from Tracy G said if mass majority is saying family matters is the best diss out of the beef, but thinking K.1, due to strategy and impact, did not get what he wanted, drake still made the best song. I think you can make a better song and still lose a battle, because I still stand on. I think Duppy is a better rap disc than Adidon. It's just what was said in Adidon that lost Drake the battle. You know a lot of people probably would disagree with me, but you know you can still have the better song and lose a battle. It's other things that come into play with that. Do y'all agree with that?
Speaker 2:I see where you're going with it. So I'm going to be somewhere in the middle on that. Because Adanon, for me was kind of like it was a knockout blow. But Pusha T had already been kind of tenderizing him anyway, like Infrared Exodus, like all the cheap shots, so it's like he had already roughed Drake up a little bit to go deliver that knockout blow. You know what I'm saying? Right, he didn't need to hit as hard in round 10 as he did in round 2 because he hit them good in round 2. Right, round 10 is just when Drake got dropped.
Speaker 1:Infrared is, like you know, a better record than Adidon to me. I'm not seeing a second. Okay, stacks, got it up. Appreciate you, stacks. The other super chat is a $5 buy art of nobody. Kendrick turning cloud chaser. Instead of doing the hard labor, the drake effect.
Speaker 2:Laugh out loud. Much love to y'all. Um, hey, let's be honest. If kendrick was like that, why wasn't he breaking these streaming records and getting these number one records before he had a beef with drake? Would anybody like to explain where? Where's that notoriety and that clout been the last seven years, if he's a lot?
Speaker 1:of it. A lot of it has to do who the sub, the intended subject, is. So we already discussed that on the last show because a lot of it's doing what my white leather break but I'm asking. I'm asking a question because I really don't know. Did damn not have any number one records? I thought damn had some number one records on there.
Speaker 2:I don't think it did. I don't think so. Loyalty was probably the best tracking one or humble was humble and humble song on damn somebody, somebody in the chat, uh fact checkers on that.
Speaker 1:But I thought you know damn, had at least one or two uh number one record.
Speaker 2:I don't think so, I don't think so, but um, but yeah.
Speaker 1:So when we're talking legacy, talk before we get to. You know the this stuff. So we agree to disagree about holding Ryan and Kendrick to the same standard, but Punch put out his top five list, which you know if I slide a guy from, if I slide a guy from one to four and then I slide another guy from 11 to 15,.
Speaker 2:How am I being biased?
Speaker 1:OK, that's fair, because if he was starting out at 11, he was at about 11 to you to start out with.
Speaker 2:I think when I did the review for Damn and wrote the article, I believe I had him somewhere at like 12 or 13, like around Redman and LL, okay. And so in seven years, no time has not proven that he deserves that. So I have pushed him back to like 15 to 17 area. Now about this battle and being fair, about legacy talking, being objective, I can slide him back to maybe where he was before this last seven years, but that's still like 12 or 13. It's not top 10.
Speaker 1:But see, I'm going to sound crazy because that's where I have a problem. You know what I mean. If you are moving up based on that and I'm not saying you in general, koof, because you know, reacting to Punch's top five, he said his, you know, and for the people that didn't see it, and he said Jay was number one, pac was number two, kendrick was number three, big was number four and Nas was number five. Now, by that logic, he said he moved them up based on, you know, this battle and for a lot of people, drake wasn't even supposed to be in the ring with Kendrick, right? So you're getting extra points for beating somebody who you were supposed to beat anyway.
Speaker 1:But then the math ain't math, and because you still got Jay at number one, but the person who beat Jay, your number one guy, that number five, make it make sense to me. So you know, that's what I question, because a lot of these people probably think he was supposed to be Drake anyway. So if we're talking legacy talk, I think not only does Doc move up the list, I think Drake needs to move up the all-time list as well. Granted, you got the ghostwriting stuff and all that that's going to count against him, but a lot of people didn't think he could stand next to Kendrick, toe to toe, and be in the ring. And that boy wrapped his ass off you know what I'm saying and he lost. But he always comes outside when it's time to scrap and he was rapping. So I think for the hip hop heads, drake needs to be elevated a little bit, not much, but a little bit, even in a loss. But look, if Drake wasn't like that, it wouldn't have took four records to get him up out of here.
Speaker 2:Punch needs to just keep cashing them. Scissor checks, kendrick ain't no, goddamn number three no he's not.
Speaker 1:Top ten is more realistic If you're talking about max level. Max level cracking the top ten is the most realistic. Top five no.
Speaker 2:No, okay, let me ask you something. Ag yeah, Do you have Kendrick ranked higher than LL Cool J? Yes, that's crazy, how.
Speaker 4:Explain to me how.
Speaker 2:Outside of albums.
Speaker 4:Tell me where he's better than LL Cool J.
Speaker 1:That's crazy. Better lyricists.
Speaker 2:What's Kendrick's verse of the year verse. This year or just in general Any year? When does he have the verse of the year, verse this year or just in general any year?
Speaker 1:when is he at the verse of the year LL Cool J ain't got a verse like nostalgia, nowhere.
Speaker 2:Pusha T out, rapped him on nostalgia that's debatable.
Speaker 1:But we we're not talking about Pusha T, we're talking about LL Cool J. Does LL Cool J have a verse better than Kendrick's verse? See how you do.
Speaker 2:You ain't doing that I personally think Mama Said Knock you Out verses I love Mama.
Speaker 3:Said Knock you Out.
Speaker 2:No no.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I checked the remix version.
Speaker 1:It's more iconic, but it's not better. I don't have Kendrick over there.
Speaker 4:Say that again.
Speaker 2:Say that again. It's what More iconic as a song, but the verses are not better. Okay, so he's better.
Speaker 1:Lyrically he's better than album making continue. Where else? I mean, we can stop right there, like what else? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:ll got more hits oh, would you start right there? Presents your argument. How would you start right there, though?
Speaker 1:presents your argument. Why?
Speaker 4:would you cut it off?
Speaker 2:yo who has? Who has who?
Speaker 1:has more flows, who has more pocket work. Why would you cut it off? Queens, get the money. Who has more flows? Who has more pocket work?
Speaker 4:Come on, ag. Hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1:Don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 2:AG literally changed his flow and his style like three or four different times in his career to stay relevant, if he has more flows, then the answer actually is ll, because ll has actually had to change his flow succinctly over course I know he's had to change it, but you saying with a straight face that ll has better flows than kendrick you saying that with a straight face okay, so this is what I'm saying. Are you confusing vocal?
Speaker 1:like do we or do?
Speaker 2:we not? If we're talking about flow, I'm taking LL, because LL has literally deliveries of flows that have been canonized from era to era. Kendrick has had the same flow since the Pimple Butterfly.
Speaker 1:Facts Kendrick has more than one flow dog.
Speaker 2:It's been the same type of the set of flows that he had on to pimp.
Speaker 1:a butterfly has not grown or expanded itself since I think the main, the main thing that ll has over kendrick's voice. Kendrick's voice is what keeps him from climbing real high in the ranks. That's his main achilles heel for me, because I don't like kendrick's voice at all. You know what I mean. And LL has a dope rap voice but outside of like the longevity and the hit making and the voice.
Speaker 2:Who's in your top 10?
Speaker 1:You want me to run through?
Speaker 2:it Alright.
Speaker 1:Nas number one, jay number two, big number three, pot number four. Number five is a bias pick, but I got Jadakiss at number five, jadakiss. I got jada kiss at number five. Jada kiss ain't never spit a white person in life, told you. I got ms6, I got rod seven, I got um scarface at eight, I got cube at nine, and then the caveat was I took 3 000 out because no solo work, so he had to move out. And then after this I moved kendrick into 10 because he was at 11 or 12 anyway, with him and wayne going back and forth so you have kendrick ahead of wayne and ahead of ghost and ahead of krs1 now I don't put.
Speaker 1:I don't put. I'm glad you brought up krs1 now. Listen, listen, now being shot that me and Shonda had this conversation 10 times over. I'm going to break it down I refuse to put. Kendrick's catalog isn't as good as Ghost's catalog listen, ghostface, I'll admit all Wu members from my top 10 because it's one of those things where the sum is better than the whole, and I it's like picking those things where the sum is better than the whole and it's like picking your kids.
Speaker 4:Listen, listen, listen. Let me finish. No, I can't do this. Listen listen.
Speaker 1:Deck is my favorite in the Wu, but he's not the best. Ghost is the best, but I'm not going to put any of the Wu in my top ten because it's like picking your kids. So I'll eliminate them from contention of individual emcees. The I'll like eliminate them from contention of individual MCs. The Wu is the best overall group. I just personally refuse to put any one particular member in the top 10. It's like picking between your children for me. So I'm not going to do that. Y'all not going to impress me to do that, so one. That's why Ghost is not in there. Krs-one I'm the wrong person to be objective about KRS because he got classic songs and classic albums, but I've never been a big KRS1 fan. I'm just gonna be honest Like him, talking like he was, the authority on hip-hop always rubbed me the wrong way. Pause, I never. Yeah, I'm gonna just keep it a buck. This is not Okay, wow.
Speaker 1:I don't even no, we're gonna do this. We're gonna start telling the truth about some of the legends.
Speaker 1:Right, because some of these guys, like you, get mad at kendrick for taking a five-year hiatus and then coming back without a quality album if you got, if you got slick rick in your top 10, slick got one classic album and, granted, he was locked up for a long time but he's alive and well and still breathing. Thank God he's still with us and not putting up any material. Big Daddy Kane if you got Kane in your top 10, kane got one classic album and if you watch the verses he can still spit at a high level and not putting out any work. So if we're going to do that we got to be consistent.
Speaker 1:That would be great, I'm just saying the stuff y'all are too uncomfortable to say for real.
Speaker 2:We got to be honest. No, no, no, hold on. First of all, I have Kendrick, that had a slick Rick and I had a big daddy Kane, so you bringing them up means absolutely nothing to me. Now I want you to listen to me, Gary.
Speaker 1:Now who do you have ahead of you? You got Red and the Brunch Let me talk AG. No.
Speaker 2:Let me talk.
Speaker 3:Here's the reality of the matter.
Speaker 2:Here's the reality of the matter. Before KRS ever made a quote-unquote solo album, his Boogie Down Productions catalog rivals Kendrick's whole career. Before he even made return of the boom bap, krs won the album, or I got next. And so if kendrick strength is album making and lyricism, there is no way fundamentally based on what you said that you can have krs1 behind him, because krs1 has the better catalog and it's a superior lyricist.
Speaker 3:No, you said, fundamentally Listening is fundamental.
Speaker 2:Listening is fundamental.
Speaker 1:I let you talk I said I'm the wrong one to ask about KRS. I'm not a KRS fan.
Speaker 2:I let you talk and I let you talk your shit. The answer is no. Nope, I'm not a KRS fan I let you talk.
Speaker 1:I let you talk and I let you talk your shit. The answer is no. Who don't listen?
Speaker 2:Nope, I'm not letting it happen.
Speaker 4:Who don't listen?
Speaker 2:KRS-One made four Boogie Down production albums. Krs-one made four Boogie Down production albums.
Speaker 1:I don't give a damn, I don't care bro.
Speaker 2:KRS-One is the superior lyricist. No, krs-one is the superior lyricist. No, you just told me that what made Kendrick special was his lyricism and his album making ability. Krs-one is better at both of them. So explain to me how the fuck you have Kendrick ahead of KRS with those things being true. This is not conjecture that I am spitting. These are facts.
Speaker 1:Well, first of all, listening is fundamental. And you don't listen because I said that I'm the wrong person.
Speaker 2:We bought a LSU Jay. You said, kendrick was a better lyricist than album maker.
Speaker 1:I said I'm the wrong person to ask about KRS-One because I've never been a KRS-One fan like that. But he has classic albums and classic songs your job is to objectively be able to disseminate this culture.
Speaker 2:So what you? Personally feel, doesn't really fucking matter about KRS-One. And objectively, what's going on, is KRS-One's a better lyricist and album maker than Kendrick?
Speaker 1:It don't matter. He's got like 30 albums Coop Name 10 of them, bro. Come on now. We got to be honest about some of these legends now.
Speaker 4:Yo get the super chat real quick.
Speaker 1:Oh, from 88 Spence we got a five on a joint. It's an AG. You need to listen to the song. 18th Letter Again, rob Flo and Rob Scheme was crazy. Yeah, rob was spitting on that. Let's see who else we got Joe Young with the $2. Appreciate it. Nas Jay, ice Cube, pac, rakim, top 5 Rappers Thanks for putting your Top 5 in the chat. And who else we got, let's see. Oh, $2.00 to Jeff from Stephanie Young. How everything going guys, it's going well, but Koo can't hear.
Speaker 1:Koo can't hear. Koo can't hear. You know what I'm listening.
Speaker 2:Coop can't hear. Coop can't hear. I hear what you're saying. It just sounds like bullshit to me.
Speaker 4:Let me go down my job.
Speaker 2:Let me go down the MCs that I have.
Speaker 1:Wait, listening 101. I said I am the one Coop's trying to make me be objective about KRS-One when I said specifically, I am the wrong person to ask about KRS.
Speaker 2:This is part of what we do.
Speaker 1:That's like asking you to be objective about Eminem, bro.
Speaker 2:Don't do that, don't do that, but I make valid assertions when I talk about Eminem's place.
Speaker 1:Don't do that you just like who you don't like. Let's keep it a buck. I'm willing to keep it a buck and put that on the table. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:How about this? Eminem's three has three albums that rival Kendrick's best three albums. It's just Kendrick wins on every measure of those three albums.
Speaker 1:I think Eminem and Kendrick are comparable.
Speaker 2:I think they're very comparable. First of all, I'm not letting the care of one shit go. You can have it Care doesn't ever make it into my top 10, like ever, can I name the MCs that I think are better than Kendrick Lamar for you?
Speaker 1:I'll say yes or no.
Speaker 2:Nas Of course. Ag, I don't need you to say yes or no, I need you to say yes or no, let me name mine the way that you named yours go ahead. Nas is better, jay is better, big is better, pac is better, rock M is better, scarface is better, ice Cube is better, ghostface Killer is better nigga, you said all those same ones.
Speaker 1:I said Except for Ghost, except for Ghost.
Speaker 2:You didn't say Ice Cube. I don't think you didn't say Ice Cube.
Speaker 1:Ice Cube was my number nine. Ice Cube used to be my favorite rapper before Nas. Like I said, you don't be listening bro. Ice Cube was one after Scarface.
Speaker 2:Whenever you want to, let me finish. Krs-one is better. Black Thought is better. Black Thought is better. Yes, he is. Black Thought has just as many quality. Black Thought got better solo performances and he's a better lyricist than Kendrick I'm sorry, he's a better lyricist and he's got classic root stuff and he's made great solo material. Now, because cheat codes is better than anything that Kendrick's done the last seven years. Am I right or am I wrong?
Speaker 1:So you mean Mr Morale? You limited it to Mr Morale.
Speaker 2:I think Cheat Codes is better than Damn too, if you really want to start. Who has the better catalog period If we're including the Roots catalog? It's Thought.
Speaker 1:I disagree.
Speaker 2:But I mean he has a solid catalog with the Roots.
Speaker 1:He has a good catalog with the.
Speaker 2:Roots. You know, Thought is like the solo MC on a good portion of those Roots records right.
Speaker 3:Nah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2:On. Do you Want More Philadelphia Half-Life? Things Fall Apart. Well, you're acting like you don't know. I mean, you don't know about KRS-One either.
Speaker 4:So I have to educate you today. You don't know about.
Speaker 2:KRS-One or LL is rated too low.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2:Black Thought is ahead of him, jadakiss is ahead of him, redman is ahead of him. Redman, yes.
Speaker 1:I respect Red being ahead of him.
Speaker 2:And so I just named I have LL ahead of him, I just named you 13 guys ahead of him, and they all have valid claims about why they should be ahead of him.
Speaker 1:Well, only disagree with two Kool. That's Black Thought.
Speaker 3:KRL, redman KRS.
Speaker 2:LL. No, I respect.
Speaker 1:Redman, because Redman's catalog is stellar as far as content. Kendrick digs deeper than Redman Content-wise. I think Kendrick edges him because of content. Now, LL Kool J we already went through that. I disagree with KRS, I disagree with Black Thought and I just don't. Ghostface is better, but I didn't put Ghostface in there as a personal choice, because I'm not picking between my kids. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3:So I only disagree with three.
Speaker 1:You named the same niggas that I named bro.
Speaker 2:You ain't really named nobody different, ag, when you're saying that, hold on, hold on. The difference in three is the difference between being 10 or being 13. So when you're acting like that doesn't matter, it does, because that's the difference, the difference between the three people that you named. That's the difference between being 10 and being inside the 10 and being 13. No, you're trying to downplay it like. Those three slots don't matter. No, nigga, those three slots matter.
Speaker 1:They do, but check this out. So you're saying definitively that KRS, LL and Black Thought are all three decisively better than Kendrick. Is that what you're trying to tell me, or?
Speaker 4:is this a?
Speaker 1:conversation. Because, if it's, even a conversation, then that don't matter.
Speaker 2:Hold on the KRS. One thing is not even fucking conversational. Just so we're clear To you. Okay, keep going. No, no, no. Factually To you Factually.
Speaker 3:Like I said, I can't be objective when it comes to KRS because I'm not a fan that that's fine.
Speaker 2:Ask somebody who knows. Mcs act like they don't know. Apparently, so do podcasters.
Speaker 1:Sean ain't a fan. Sean ain't a fan either because look what he did to Queenie. Sean don't like KRS.
Speaker 2:I respect KRS Now if you want to have a LL or Black Thought conversation. What do you mean If you want to have a LL or Black Thought conversation? What do you mean If you want to have an LL or Black Thought conversation? We can, but you don't want to have no lyrical conversation and be Toten Kendrick around Black Thought? I'm going to embarrass you. If you really want to go song for song, we can do it. It ain't about to go the way that you think, though, because a lot of those joints, a lot of those.
Speaker 2:OK, you're not going to let me talk, so I'm just going to let you talk. Aj, Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Black Thought going to put people to sleep.
Speaker 2:Bro, don't do that, what the fuck did Kendrick do with To Pimp a Butterfly, nigga and Mr Morale? What are we talking about?
Speaker 1:Black Thought cannot go song for song with Kendrick. What are we doing? Ll could. Ll could but not Black Thought.
Speaker 2:If we're including the Roots records.
Speaker 1:yes, he can I feel like Black Thought is the superior narrative and think about this AG.
Speaker 2:This is what I mean about when I say the best ability is availability. Black Thought has been rhyming consistently every year at a high fucking level, as in, at a supreme top 10, 15 MC level since 1995, with no five-year breaks, with no seven-year gap between quality material. So you're going to discredit his 30 straight years at rapping in an elite level for a guy who's barely rapped the last seven years and you think that I'm crazy for putting Black Thought ahead of Kendrick. You're not respecting the game, brother. And what black thought's really been putting down? Because black thought has been great every fucking year since 1995 with no fucking breaks. My nigga, now go say that about kendrick.
Speaker 2:This nigga ain't been here for half of his career.
Speaker 1:Ag every year listen, throwing back Black Thought in there is like throwing down your Ace Hip Hop card. Like yo, black Thought's in my top 10.
Speaker 3:I didn't even say he was in my 10 because he's actually not in my 10.
Speaker 2:He's actually right outside my 10, but he's there, and he's ahead of Kendrick, and so is Wayne, and so is Wayne. So I would have Kendrick at 14 Wayne's my number 11.
Speaker 1:Wayne's my number 11. Wayne's my number 11.
Speaker 2:So the difference between, so the four differences that we have? No, no, those are big differences, because you have a guy somewhere close to 10. I have a guy somewhere closer to 15. That's a difference. That's like saying the guy that you have at number one and the guy at number five is close. It's like it's not close.
Speaker 1:Well, punch was not at number five and I got him at number one.
Speaker 2:That's like saying who's the fifth best player of this new generation? Yeah and who, yeah and who. Who's the fifth best player?
Speaker 1:I mean that's probably Luka territory.
Speaker 2:Okay, first of all Luka's one or two. That's crazy that you said that.
Speaker 1:I mean you got Jokic up there. You got he be better than Embiid. You got I put him over Giannis Luka's about three or four. So let's just say Giannis.
Speaker 2:Giannis is not five.
Speaker 1:Damn it, coop, we're splitting hairs. Like this is crazy. Like yo, this is crazy. Like Coop is having a dig at. Like yo, you got him at four, but you don't got him at five. Like that's crazy. Like are we being for real?
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on. Listen to what I'm saying. Here's what I'm saying. Charles Barkley is probably the fifth best player from his generation. Yeah, okay, when top 25 lists get made, he often doesn't make the top 25, and if he does, it's the back end of the top 25. The guy who's at number one from his era is at number one. The guy who's at number two is in the top 10. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I love Barkley, but top five might be a stretch because I'm going through it in my head we still got Magic, we got Bird, we got Mike, we got Elijah Wong.
Speaker 3:And then it'll be Barkley, barkley after those guys. Yeah, barkley was in third in MVP voting in 1990.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking about David. I'd put Barkley above David. I'd put Barkley above Malone. Isaiah Hell, no.
Speaker 2:Above Malone Nah. Yeah, barkley's better than Malone fam Nah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I got Barkley.
Speaker 2:Imagine you know what Barkley's career would be like if he had Stockton.
Speaker 4:Not the mailman.
Speaker 2:You know what Barkley's career would be like if Barkley had Stockton I?
Speaker 1:don't like the deliveries the mailman was making either. That's crazy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, facts, facts. Yo, that's crazy, that is crazy, that is balls. Yo, what is wrong with you? That's like three for three tonight on the paws man. What are y'all doing?
Speaker 3:Yo, what's next? Man Just lay over there on y'all side of the town man, the PDF.
Speaker 1:But anyway.
Speaker 2:I can slide him up like AG. I had him somewhere at like 17. We can put him at like 14. I can move him up. Three slots for the win, oh you're talking about Kendrick. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:No, I respect that because you said you had him close to top 10, like right outside the top 10 before Mr Moreno.
Speaker 2:When Dam came out. No, when Dam came out, that was in 2017 that I had him approach the top 10.
Speaker 1:And then he dropped down like five, and then you moved him up three.
Speaker 2:Hold on. But what has he done to maintain his position since then until now?
Speaker 1:No, that's a fair point. Until this battle. Yeah, until this battle, you're right.
Speaker 2:Right. So when I got his ass somewhere at 15, 16, 17, that's more than fair. That's what you fucking deserve, get your ass at 14.
Speaker 1:Shut the fuck up. But it's, I don't know Because equity goes a long way, because you can argue.
Speaker 2:It ain't no goddamn number three, like his homie said.
Speaker 1:No, not even close, not even close. But you can argue the same thing with Jay. What has Jay done to maintain his number one spot?
Speaker 2:for a lot of people, First of all, he maintain his number one spot for a lot of people. First of all, he's not number one.
Speaker 1:He's number two and kendrick no, you know, I got nozzy number one, but I'm just saying most people consider jay to be number one without nothing you know.
Speaker 2:So this is what I'm saying. So I don't know what you think. How about this if good kid mad city is kendrick's best album? It is well, you could argue that that album would be third or fourth in Jay's catalog and that's why Jay is where Jay is Because Jay is lyrically better. Jay is more important to this culture and more impactful, more iconic. He's a better MC overall. He has more flows. He definitely has more flows than Kendrick.
Speaker 1:He has more flows. You ain't going to get into arguments.
Speaker 2:And he's a better lyricist and he has Reasonable Doubt. The Blueprint and the Black Album.
Speaker 1:You ain't gonna get no argument from me about Jay. When it comes to Kendrick, I'm talking about the bottom of the 10. And I still got, like I said, the Q, the Scarface's above Kendrick.
Speaker 2:So, first of all, if Kendrick's strength is album making, if Kendrick's strength is album making, he don't want no parts of Scarface.
Speaker 1:No, no. But here's the thing. I moved three stacks out of my top ten and put Kendrick in it. But if I'm being real, three stacks is better than Kendrick to me, but I just can't put him there objectively.
Speaker 2:Scarface has legitimately made ten good to great to classic rap albums.
Speaker 1:He has a top six or seven discography. He has a top five catalog.
Speaker 4:His and Ghost's are comparable. We're going in circles, fellas Ice Cube has a better catalog than Kendrick.
Speaker 1:Ice Cube does.
Speaker 4:I'm like big lacking.
Speaker 1:Sean Sleepy. All right, well, let's move on, let's move on.
Speaker 4:What this fancy nigga doing? No, I'm jet lagging like a mug. I'm good though.
Speaker 1:This is great.
Speaker 4:I'm not jumping into y'all's shenanigans.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's just here for support. That's what it says. All right, so let's talk about this list a little bit. But all right so. So let's talk about this list a little bit. The hip-hop dx um, they put out the list of the? Um, the top diss tracks of all time. Right, um, don't want to spend too much time on it, so I was going to go through the top 20. You know these, you know, I'm saying because they had like 100 plus, but we want to review the top 20 number 20 who did this list?
Speaker 1:Hip-hop DX and Elliot.
Speaker 4:Oh really, Elliot.
Speaker 1:So number 20 is push-ups. Y'all interject if y'all think something is egregious. You know what I'm saying. 20 is push-ups Next.
Speaker 2:Next. I'm not arguing with that at all. I'm the top 20. Pimp Slap by Snoop Dogg is better than pushups. Remember the Shug diss pimp slap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, number 19 is Eminem Nail in the coffin. 18, jada's freestyle F Beanie Siegel. That shit, I don't know, that's a hard one. 17 is Beans Kiss the Game. Goodbye, freestyle. That joint was dope. That's a hard one. 17 is Beans Kiss the Game. Goodbye, Freestyle. That joint was dope. That's the top 25th record. Yes, yeah, 16 is Checkmate. Checkmate is dope. 15, Cannabis Second Round, KO 14, BDP. The Bridge Is Over, which I agree with.
Speaker 4:It should even be higher.
Speaker 1:It should be higher, hey look this is me being objective about KRS. That record should be higher. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2:I don't want to hear about KRS 1 anymore in life.
Speaker 4:It should move the world, for a minute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it did, number 13. I'm still traumatized by.
Speaker 2:The Bridge Is Over.
Speaker 1:It is.
Speaker 2:Number 13. Hold on the Bridge Is Number five 10,. This record, number 13. Hold on the bridge is over is better than any, this record that we just heard from both of these guys. You understand that, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now, I'm with that. I'm with that. 13 is that's way too high, that's way, get that out of there.
Speaker 2:Get that out of there. Get that out of there. Way too high, that's not even recency.
Speaker 1:That's not even recency bias. I think I don't know what he was doing with that.
Speaker 2:Anyway, 12, 300 bars and running by game which I don't know if I'd put it that high, but it's, I would put Pest Control in before I put 300 bars in.
Speaker 1:I'm with you on that. Hey Coop, I'll tip my cap to you because we agree on something tonight. Pest Control is one of them. Ones KRS and LL.
Speaker 2:Cool J.
Speaker 1:I'm never going to forgive you Look, I got Coop pissed off what I will say before we go forward. I think LL Cool J is rated too low in relation to the Canes, the G-Raps, the KRS's, the Slick Ricks of the world, because his longevity has went past all those guys. You know even Rakim, but Rakim, he changed the way cats rap, so he'll forever be top 10. But LL needs to be ranked higher than a lot of the legends, a lot of the, you know golden era rappers. You know what I'm saying Because he predated some of those that came in the game and lasted a hell of a lot longer. So, all jokes aside, I think LL needs to be higher in relation to them.
Speaker 2:The only people from his era that I have higher than him objectively are KRS and Rakim. Do I prefer Cool G Rap Slick Rick and Kane to LL? I do Objectively no and I don't want to Hercule G rap Slick Rick and Kane to LL.
Speaker 4:I do.
Speaker 1:Objectively no, that's fair and I don't want to act like I hate KRS-One. It just wasn't for me. In a lot of ways it's okay. How we said about Game is how I felt about KRS. A lot of the off-whack stuff that he would say would turn me off of his music. You don't like Vegas.
Speaker 2:Pades Love's Gonna Get Ya.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, he doesn't know those records. But KRS would get to talking in the interviews and I'd just be like I just wouldn't want to put this up.
Speaker 2:Nine Millimeter.
Speaker 1:Ghost Bang no those.
Speaker 3:Sound of the Police.
Speaker 1:All those.
Speaker 3:MT.
Speaker 2:Zach, they don't know.
Speaker 1:Rapp, I'm going to police, I'm going to all those, all those they don't know. Now, the BDP stuff, the BDP stuff outside of Return of the Boom Bap, outside of Return of the Boom Bap, the BDP stuff. That's all the stuff I like, everything else for me, you can keep Black cop.
Speaker 2:You don't like black cop.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah it's dope, but I'm just saying like, all year cop, you don't like black cop? Yeah, it's dope.
Speaker 2:But I'm just saying like Remember All yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm being consistent and objective by saying the way Shut up Sean. You need to take a nap bro you know what's up?
Speaker 2:It's almost a crime. This isn't a felony, but it's definitely a misdemeanor to not really care for KRS. We can call it what we want. He's casual to not really care for KRS-One. We can call it one-on-one.
Speaker 1:He's casual. We just got through talking about how people discredit Game for his off-wax antics.
Speaker 2:Game named KRS-One. I love Game, but he's not fucking KRS-One.
Speaker 1:Nobody said he was, but I'm scared to I mean, I'm not scared like y'all to admit my false little camera KRS. Just whatever he said or did outside of record turned me off of the record you don't even know, Rapture cool. Stop it. That's a top five KRS joint, but still Very problematic and that is not a top five KRS joint it is. It's not even a top ten that song is iconic.
Speaker 4:Come on now. Most casual fans will say that Because they remember the video and heard it on the radio, but they don't know the catalog. So I get it. I get it, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1:So, we gonna go on with this.
Speaker 4:We gonna go on with this list.
Speaker 1:We gonna go on with this list. Hey, I ain't scared, sean. You was scared to come over here and talk about Ghostface and tell the truth, so don't even try it with me because, you're scared to tell the truth.
Speaker 1:Respecting gold space show well, hey, I guess I'll be a disrespectful then. So we don't keep it 11. 11 is f with drayday, which I think is a classic disc record, so I think it's rightfully placed it is a classic. Yes, uh, 10, 10 is like that, not like that, shouldn't be that high, not even top 50.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Nine is Lost Ones. You know what's weird? I know that she's getting that cleft on that, but I never really looked at that as a diss record.
Speaker 4:Nah, it's not that right you have to know.
Speaker 2:It's the most subtle diss record of all time.
Speaker 4:It's time, it's very polite, very polite.
Speaker 1:I think it's just because of what that album was and who she is is why I said number nine.
Speaker 2:It's a great diss. It's just done with such class.
Speaker 1:And she was spitting A common the bitch in you. Nobody thought that common would be cubed. That was crazy. Yeah, I think it's rightfully placed. Number seven, you know, cool to handle is no vaseline he put no vaseline where number seven seven. That's top three. That's top two. No, it's top two, it's top two, so top three.
Speaker 2:You know, here's how I feel about the man that made this list. You see how Anthony Edwards was talking shit to Kevin Durant, even though Kevin Durant was his idol growing up.
Speaker 4:That's how I feel. I can't do this no more.
Speaker 2:All right this is my last show. This is my last show. If I see that nigga on the court, I'll be like, yeah, I used to look up to you, but I'm about to ball on you All right so number six is I'm about to put this nigga on a poster.
Speaker 1:I think no. Vaseline should be top two, definitely should be top two.
Speaker 2:I only put no Vaseline all the way down there.
Speaker 1:I personally only put no Vaseline. Second to either, it's close. I'm not mad if somebody put no Vaseline at one. Number six is Story of Adidon.
Speaker 2:It's too high. Maybe top 20, but back end of top 20.
Speaker 1:Y'all don't think it's top 10 for what it did.
Speaker 2:No, no, and I'm a pusher guy. That's why everybody's thinking that I'm a Drake fan. You better send me my white leather Drake. But I'm actually a pusher tea guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think Duppy is better. But Adidon was, you know, such. You know it was a deadly blow.
Speaker 2:One of those are top 20 to me. Exodus are closer to top 20 to me.
Speaker 1:Exodus is my favorite of all of them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is my favorite of all of them. Yeah, um number.
Speaker 1:Yeah, number five is takeover, that's that's too low for takeover for me.
Speaker 2:For me, takeover would be number, number three, yeah, number three on top, that's a stellar record. It's my number, stellar record it's perfect.
Speaker 1:It's perfect.
Speaker 2:Let's call it what it is it was never the same and and Nas was in trouble.
Speaker 4:He wasn't. It's a perfect record God bless, he wasn't.
Speaker 1:Number four is back-to-back. I cannot put that over takeover.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not, I can't, but I can give it some top 10 consideration.
Speaker 4:I'll put it top 15.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Number three is, not like us, way too high.
Speaker 4:That's crazy, that's that's recency bias right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's moment. You know what I will say. That's like some views and likes right there absolutely.
Speaker 4:That's all it is.
Speaker 1:That's all it is yeah, absolutely, but it being next to back to back, I do think those two songs are comparable for what they did.
Speaker 4:This is trash. That's what this is. This shit is trash.
Speaker 2:I think Back to Back is a better actual diss record than Not Like Us.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Actual diss. It has more memorable lines, but as far as what they did in the club scene they're comparable. Number two is Ether.
Speaker 2:What's number one?
Speaker 1:No, vaseline's not number one. Number two is Ether.
Speaker 2:What's number one?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Vaseline's not number one, and neither is Ether.
Speaker 1:You know what number one is. Hit them up, and I don't know why. I don't know why? Because it's trash. I think it's over, come on, it's not trash.
Speaker 2:It's not trash, but it's not like that. That's what it is.
Speaker 1:It's disrespectful. Y'all call me disrespectful. Y'all call me disrespectful. It's not trash.
Speaker 4:The list is trash.
Speaker 1:Okay, the list is trash, yes, but Hit Em.
Speaker 2:Up is not trash, but it is overrated.
Speaker 4:It is overrated. Hit Em Up was a moment, I think the.
Speaker 2:Moment for Hit Em Up. Hit Em Up is not even top 10.
Speaker 3:And I'm going to explain to you why.
Speaker 2:Part of Hit Em Up's popularity has to do with the access that it was given, because it was the B-side to how Do you Want it, which was our multi-platinum single Off of All Eyes on Me, when Tupac was literally the biggest rapper in the world. That song is about exposure, not about quality. Like, if we're actually going by quality, long Kiss Goodnight is actually a better diss than Hit Em Up.
Speaker 4:if we're going by quality, which, by the way, didn't make this list.
Speaker 2:Drop a gem on them, didn't even make this list. 10% diss didn't make this list.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you brought that up, coop, because I want to run through this real quick Complex. Got in on the action and I think it was yesterday. They released their top 50 right after Hip Hop DX did so. This is how it compares number 20 uh, dj, quick dollars and cents. Yes, um 19, gucci man the truth.
Speaker 1:Um 18 eminem the sauce or nail in the coffin. 17 is like that, so it makes another top 20 list. Um 16 is South Bronx and yo matter of fact, I was talking about the combos here's me giving love to KRS again.
Speaker 2:The South Bronx, the Bridges You're trying to salvage yourself now? No, listen.
Speaker 1:The combo of South Bronx and the Bridges. You know what I'm saying? That's a two-hit combo. That's a two-piece. Let's move past that con, but that's a two-piece.
Speaker 4:Hell of a two-piece.
Speaker 1:All right. 15. We brought this up 10% diss, so that deserves to be put there. 14, I think is a sleeper, but I don't know if it's rightfully placed. It's against all odds. I think against all odds is better than hit him up.
Speaker 2:Well, it's surgical to hit him up. I don't even know if, against All Odds is a diss. That's more like that's Pac venting his truth. You have to understand People have to understand this. He really, really felt like that these dudes set him up to have him killed and so Against All.
Speaker 2:Odds is the explanation for him of how it happened and why. That's why haitian jack and jimmy henchman and he's looking at even the lines from the message little nigga named naz think he live like like he really felt like they set him up to kill him, to move him out the way. Yeah, yeah, he really felt that, and so that was more of him explaining his position about why he felt the way that he felt.
Speaker 1:I don't know if that was an all-out diss, you know what I'm saying, but um, but yeah that I I'm a, I'm more of a fan of that record than uh hit him up, it's a better song than him up way better song I think it's one of pox best songs. I think, as you know, far as spitting goes, that's one of pock's best lyrical performances um, from top to bottom, just real quick, quick sidebar.
Speaker 2:The guy that died well, he was getting better as an mc, like the mic performance on all eyes on me and macabelly are his best mic performances because he was as an mc, because he was only 25 years old when he died.
Speaker 1:Biggie was too. Biggie was, I mean. His last verse was victory. Dude was getting better. That's scary. So in a sidebar I posted on Twitter who was the better lyricist between Jay-Z and Big and me, and Sean was having this argument yesterday and right now Big is winning in the polls. I got to tip my head to Sean.
Speaker 4:I win. That's what I'm here for I'm here for that, I win.
Speaker 1:I didn't even have to do that, I didn't even have to say that or throw that in there. I'm just telling what it is.
Speaker 4:I was going to say it later on.
Speaker 3:I'm glad you got out of the way.
Speaker 1:Moving on. Y'all gonna get excited about this pick. Number 13 is To the Break of Dawn by LL.
Speaker 4:I don't know if it's rightfully placed, but it's a dope record.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a dope record. Once again, number 12, the Bitch and you by Common Number 11, back Down by 50. For what it did.
Speaker 3:For what it did.
Speaker 2:Back.
Speaker 1:Down's in my top 20. Number 10, Second Round KO by Cannabis.
Speaker 4:That was huge.
Speaker 1:I still think LL won the battle, but Second Round KO is one of the best disc records we have of all time, for real.
Speaker 4:I definitely think it's top ten.
Speaker 1:You give.
Speaker 4:Ella.
Speaker 1:Blackheart Number nine.
Speaker 2:Money in Cannabis is your best record.
Speaker 1:It is Definitely, definitely, yeah. On that album, only Buckingham Palace can compare. We're being honest.
Speaker 2:Freeform106 and Park is on that record. I'm talking about a solo joint.
Speaker 1:Yeah, true, Real quick $10 super chat from Michael 106 and park is on that record. I'm talking about like a solo joint. Yeah, yeah, true, true, uh, real quick. Uh, ten dollar super chat from um michael williams. Appreciate the love. A long kiss. Good night is dope, but didn't deserve to make the list big, only this pot. Uh, big, only this. After pock died uh, ninjas talk a lot of shit, but that's after I'm gone because they feared me in the physical form. Yeah, pock, pac did say that. That's a conversation for another day. You know what I'm saying about the context of that diss and Pac being gone. But moving on, let's see what was that? Okay. Number nine is F with Dre Day. Number eight is Back to Back.
Speaker 4:Number seven Story of Adidon that's crazy Number six, not Like Us.
Speaker 1:I love that record, but it is not even top 20, this record, it's not there.
Speaker 4:It might be top 50 something yeah.
Speaker 1:Number five is no Vaseline. Number four is the bridge is over. I think that's fairly placed, you know, for top five consideration. Look at what it did. You know Queens was shut down until Nas came out with Illmatic, so yeah, Ice Cube shut down a multi-platinum rap group.
Speaker 2:Ice Cube shut down a multi-platinum rap group. He literally burnt down the old version of the West Coast and is responsible for it having to be built back up again via Death Row Records.
Speaker 1:He's responsible for that. I will note Coop that Ether is hired to know Vaseline on both of these lists, so they did get that right, that's fine.
Speaker 2:He burned the house down.
Speaker 1:Here's where the problem lies. Number three is ether, number two is takeover. It's very problematic.
Speaker 4:That's ridiculous. Who's number one again?
Speaker 1:Same one Hit him up.
Speaker 4:That's crazy. I'm glad that AJ get the on Super Chat real quick. I'm going to get this on my chest. This is crazy, They'm glad that AJ get the super chat real quick, because I need to get this on my chest, because this is crazy.
Speaker 1:A $5 one from Esquire. Machiavelli is indeed Pox Peak. As a lyricist, I 100% agree. But me against the world is lyrically stronger than all eyes on me, than all eyes on me, if I die tonight.
Speaker 2:Content-wise me Against the World is stronger not lyrics.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it does have better content.
Speaker 2:Content and subject matter Song structure.
Speaker 1:He says If I Die Tonight is some of the best writing slash alliteration ever. Yeah Me Against the World is stellar as far as content is concerned. I believe that was the only other super chat.
Speaker 2:Content-wise Me Against the World is hard to beat like for yeah, yeah, yeah it's like period in rap history.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, go ahead, uh sean cook no, I was saying like they're about to get me and coop tight, we may have to end up putting together our own top 50, this list, because this is both of these. They are tritash, and I'm so glad that my man's um I'm one of my homies uh, he's been my home out. I used to mentor him um name. Uh, I call him man child, oh this is this yeah, yo man child he um, I'm out everybody, I gotta go everybody listen, man.
Speaker 4:Yo man child is from orangeburg, south carolina. Oh, he's a low country.
Speaker 2:He's a low country.
Speaker 4:He's a low country and I was recruiting him for the Marine Corps and Manchow beat up his stepfather real bad. Manchow was like 19 years old, senior in high school, and I named him Manchow because he used to beat the crap out of his stepfather. But I was riding in a government vehicle with Manchow and he was asking me about Takeover versus Ether. He was a hip hop head, but Mad Child was kind of off a little bit. You know what I mean. His mom didn't even know it, but I kind of picked up on it.
Speaker 4:So every time we would talk about he was fascinated by Queens, and every time Mad Child would ask a question about Queens, he'd ask a question about Nas and Jay, because he hated Jay and I was like yo, I think when Takeover came out and this is like 2003, when Manichai and I had this conversation and I was like yo, man, I think, you know, when Takeover came out, I thought Nas was done and when I said that, manichai was like what was that? And I mean like I'm in the car driving. So every time I would say Takeover, he was like blip, blip, blip, blip, blip. I'm like what is going on? It's not funny, man, come to find out. My headshot also had Tourex, if I didn't know.
Speaker 1:He logged it off First. It was the little people now it's. Tourex we got to log out.
Speaker 4:Check it. He was triggered by take over because his doctor was like yo, we didn't know he had that in him, but he was saying that music was a catalyst to his Tourex. So every time that he would hear takeover, I would say takeover. He would blip, blip, blip, because he would like it would come, it would like come out. I say that to say this this stuff triggers us in a different way. Right, this list?
Speaker 4:I've never been triggered like that man child's. Different though man child. Man child has other problems, man, the takeover brought the terex out of him, but what? What happened was man. I don't want to laugh, it's not funny, man, but this list got me triggered and I think that me and you, we're going to have to really put together our own list, maybe a top 25, and, course, correct everything, because I can imagine right now that the man child is somewhere looking at this and I hope he's doing well, but he probably spazzing out right now because the takeover is at number two At ALP. I'm not the stepfather Manchow, I was 24, manchow like 19 at that time and I was scared of him. I was scared of Manchow.
Speaker 2:So we definitely need to make a list. I think we should probably do 50, because I think one thing that people don't realize there have been a lot of like this something healthy, artistically viable, creative and, quite frankly, fun. Because we like to play the dozens in our community and this is Raps' version of the dozens. These lists are fucking terrible, terrible. These people should be ashamed of themselves If they did know what they were talking about at one point in time. They don't anymore and that's okay. That happens you know what I'm saying when the song gets to skipping and slowing down. This is how it goes. These lists are terrible. Hit Em Up's, not number one.
Speaker 1:And keep in mind we just cover the top 20. That's not even the rest of the list. Complex did 50.
Speaker 2:You can't get 1 through 20, right? I can't trust you with 20 through 40, 40 through 60, 60 through 80, and 80 through 100. When I can't trust you, I can't trust you. It's like a future in the trial. We can't trust you.
Speaker 4:It's like not knowing KRS-One catalog. How can I trust you? That's crazy.
Speaker 3:How can I?
Speaker 4:trust you. You don't even know KRS catalog. You said Rapture is KRS number one song. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:He said top five, he didn't say number one.
Speaker 1:I don't even like you, sean, so I'm just doing this show for contractual obligations. I don't even like you like that.
Speaker 2:Definitely need to read the paperwork. Read the fine print next time you got to read the fine print next time you gotta read your contract.
Speaker 1:Be like yo I'll get this nigga sean twice a month so speak, speaking speaking of lists, you know we don't have time. You know it's time for us to get up out of here. It's running late, yeah, but we do gotta finish in another segment, our, our posse cut list. We're gonna bring that content to y'all and um, you know, get that countdown going and then hopefully we can come up with um and uh, come up with our uh, top, uh, maybe 40. This is 30, 40. I don't want to get too crazy with it. Maybe we can come with something like that I can do a 50 piece.
Speaker 2:Like when, um, whatever list bought up Dollars and Cents by DJ Quick to MCA this I was like, okay, they did a little digging, they know, they shit.
Speaker 1:That was Complex's list.
Speaker 2:Dead Clock be right twice a day. It's cool.
Speaker 3:We definitely going to do the Posse.
Speaker 1:Cut joint and then get that to y'all and then maybe work on this and any parting remarks, gentlemen, before we get up out of here, hold on hold on real quick AG.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you something, yeah what's up who got the best verse on the Benjamins to you, Big or Kim?
Speaker 1:I'm going to tell you I would normally say Kim, but because of the beat switch I got to give the edge to Big, because of how he floated on that beat switch. Like that's crazy. Yeah, it's Kim for me. That's what I was about to say. If somebody says Kim and we're going to do that too we're going to rank the best verses on each song If somebody were to say Kim, I wouldn't say that they were wrong, but that beat switch is just.
Speaker 2:I just want to see where I need to point you at, because we're going to have a Benjamins conversation, but I think it's Kim, because Kim's moments are more iconic than Bigg's, are Like the punchlines, the quotables, the quotables, the Hearst come on they go crazy, yeah, they go crazy.
Speaker 4:The Hearst come on.
Speaker 2:It's more of a hip-hop moment than Big's verse, even if it's not technically better. Big's verse is technically better.
Speaker 1:I got a question, though, and I really don't know the answer. I'm not trying to be funny. Did Big write Kim's verse?
Speaker 4:Because, if so, that's a win-win for Big. I don't want to talk to this nigga, no more.
Speaker 2:That's nasty man, I told you. I tried to tell you that. I tried to tell you, man, I don't deal with that man. You know what I'm just asking questions You're leaving me with him for an hour. No more leaving me with him for an hour.
Speaker 4:I can't, I can't do it, I can't do it.
Speaker 1:I told you, I'm just asking questions.
Speaker 2:You need to be back, starting back next week at 8.30,. You're going to be here on time to moderate this show. I'll be back.
Speaker 3:I won't be. I'll be back in town. I'll be back in town.
Speaker 4:Bring man child too.
Speaker 2:I should have read the paperwork of my contract and put some stipulations in as well. This is ridiculous.
Speaker 1:We got to code through the paperwork.
Speaker 4:We do Definitely hire an entertainment lawyer.
Speaker 3:Hire an entertainment lawyer after this show.
Speaker 2:Be like like I want to talk about my contract with these guys when it's free agency, right literally came out of free agency it doesn't matter, it's a new day it's a new day we had to take out because he wanted to talk about the guy that Drake pushed or whatever he wanted to talk about.
Speaker 4:That it's very problematic, that's wild. It is wild, though, man, or whatever he want to talk about that Very problematic. That's wild it is wild, though, man. They got Drake pushing that guy. That's crazy. Let's get out of here.
Speaker 2:My only part in the thought is that, drake, I want my jacket. Yeah, drake, give him the jacket. Shoot an email. Or DM the Hip Hop Talks on social media, or send us an email. Lp Phil man, lp Phil man. I'll take a large butter, soft leather, butter, soft Italian leather. Don't play with my jacket.
Speaker 3:Yo, we got a lot of sauce.
Speaker 2:It's midnight LP.
Speaker 1:Samo, somebody dropped the album. It's midnight, I don't know. We got to log off.
Speaker 4:Yo LP going to hell, man, he said.
Speaker 2:Carolina.
Speaker 4:Modok man.
Speaker 2:Carolina who on the white?
Speaker 1:leather. Hey, Coop, you might as well rip the contract up, because we ain't going to have a podcast for that much longer.
Speaker 4:We're going to get canceled bro Yo Coop, you better have 20 versus V, 20 versus 1 pretty soon. Anyhow, everybody want to claim 20 versus V. Everybody want to have enemies.
Speaker 1:Sean can't get on the live no more when he out of town man he be, you know he be a little sauced up. No, no, no.
Speaker 2:These live no more. When he out of town, man he be, you know he be a little soft stuff, I don't know. These lists are terrible and we are going to have to help these people correct this. They've been very well Every day?
Speaker 3:Definitely yeah All right guys, it's been real.
Speaker 2:It's been real, sean. I'm never going to forgive you for leaving me with AG AG you're fine.
Speaker 4:I told you about that guy man. I told you.
Speaker 1:Hey man, what can I say?
Speaker 3:Yo, we appreciate y'all, you can say that next time.
Speaker 4:Especially when it comes to KRS-One Facts, facts. Yo appreciate y'all. Continue to subscribe, like the channel. Subscribe, tell a friend to tell a friend. We here, we appreciate y'all. Double lp, miss boogie. All of y'all. Thank you so much for the super chat. Thank you all for the discourse and thank you for the love we out. Peace, peace y'all. Yo ag crazy man. Your dude said more. I'm