Thug Motivation 101: Follow The Leader- OG’s popping out for the summer

What’s it like to navigate the often gritty rap scene of Lansing, Michigan? Join us as Iced Out from the Hyena Squad takes us behind the scenes of their formation, their struggles, and their triumphs. From the initial sparks of their connection through mutual friends to collaborating with big names like 2 Chainz, Iced Out shares their journey and the challenges of making it in a region overshadowed by the likes of Detroit and Chicago. We also explore the pack mentality that defines their group and keeps them united against the odds.

Hear Derange's unique perspective as he joins the conversation, bringing stories from Blytheville, Arkansas, and his ties to Memphis and Lansing. Dive into a remarkable story of resilience as we discuss the inspiring journey of a former inmate who turned to faith and music to rebuild his life, eventually co-owning successful record labels and collaborating with legends like DMX. Our conversation doesn't shy away from the hard truths, touching on the social issues that influence Michigan's music scene and the redemptive power of art and spirituality.

We also take time to remember the iconic Jerry West, discuss the challenge of creating sequels to legendary hip-hop albums, and ponder the influence of cancel culture on media personalities. Excitement builds as we look forward to upcoming releases from veteran artists like Rakim and Nas, and share our anticipation for an exclusive interview with Faith Newman. Join us for heartfelt shoutouts to the hip-hop community and a celebration of the connections that keep this culture thriving.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:00

So what's good, everybody? This is Coop. This is Hip Hop Talks. We want to thank all of y'all for coming out. Make sure you click, like and subscribe to the page Today. It's my pleasure to introduce the Hyena Squad to Hip Hop Talks. Derange will be on shortly, but my man Iced Out what's up. How are you brother?

Intro

Speaker 2 0:19

I'm doing good man. Totally blessed, totally blessed man.

Speaker 1 0:23

Okay, man, totally blessed, totally blessed man okay, while we're waiting, having us go ahead while we're waiting for deranged to get into the room how did you all actually like meet, you know?

Speaker 2 0:32

while we're actually like waiting for him to get in the room uh, we met through some mutual friends zarcoca and b thorough and we met in the studio and we like each other's grind and each other's flows and we just meshed and we end up, uh, connecting together um for um and becoming the hyena squad. Over the years we've been together about seven to eight years now.

Speaker 1 1:02

So okay, so, so, so. So the meet, the meeting was, it was a musical meeting of the minds right now had you heard of each other, like in the lansing area, y'all are, y'all are repping lansing right yeah, we're repping lansing.

Speaker 2 1:17

I, I, we haven't really. I haven't really knew of him. It was just some friends that would like to tell me about this guy. He got a good work ethic and y'all would mesh together. So, um, it ended up being true and we just linked up and sky's the limit from there um, lansing is one of those kind of forgotten areas in michigan.

Speaker 1 1:42

So like tell our audience a little bit about like the lansing rap scene and how it compares to the midwest rap scene as a whole, how it compares to the detroit and the chicago rap scene. Like tell us a little bit about lansing and like you know what the styles are like there lansing is, uh, the capital city of michigan.

Speaker 2 2:02

It's different than Detroit and Chicago. We got more lyrical artists. We got some of the people that have the drill style as well, but majority of us are lyrical rappers. It's not really a good scene here for music, but you can make. You can make it If you try and you get out and go to other cities and get yourself known. You can make it out of here, but you just got to move around.

Speaker 1 2:39

Why do you think I mean like, explain the geography, like, like I'm like a history and like geography nerd, so I know where Lansing is located. Explain to us where Lansing is located in Michigan and why you feel like the scene isn't a prime option for a rap artist to thrive.

Speaker 2 2:59

It's in mid-Michigan, between Detroit and Grand Rapids, michigan, between Detroit and Grand Rapids. It's not really any clubs because we keep getting shut down for all the violence and the crime that's going on. We are top 10 crime city in America for our most violent crimes and a lot of places they get shut down and there's nowhere to perform and, um, they don't give opportunities like that for hip hop artists out there in Lansing Very few, very there's maybe two or three places.

Speaker 1 3:35

That's about it Now when you're saying I'm about to say how big is the city? Yeah, that's exactly what I was about to ask. Is it like I was about to say how big is the city? Yeah, that's exactly what I was about to ask. Is it like one of those?

Speaker 2 3:49

towns. You can breeze through the downtown in five, ten minutes, Kind of it's. The population around Metro 300,000. It's not a big city but it's not a small city.

Speaker 1 4:10

It's quite average. Okay, now you said that it's not like Detroit and not like Chicago, because it's well. You said it was lyrical, and so you do know that people like Eminem and Royce, da 5'9 and El Zai rep Detroit.

Speaker 2 4:24

And you have people like I was talking about the guys coming up underneath them.

Speaker 1 4:32

So let me ask you something what do you think about a Boldy James? Would you consider him to be lyrical?

Speaker 2 4:37

I've never heard of him.

Speaker 1 4:39

You never heard of Boldy.

Speaker 2 4:41

Never heard of Boldy James.

Speaker 1 4:43

Okay, and what about Chi-Town? You don't think Shotown's lyrical Like we got Twista.

Speaker 2 4:47

Common. Twista Common.

Speaker 1 4:50

My man I Am God came on here last week. I Am God is crazy nice.

Speaker 2 4:55

Yeah, they got some, they got some talent, they got some talent. I was talking about more the younger generation.

Speaker 1 5:02

Okay.

Speaker 2 5:03

That's what I was aiming for. Yeah, shouts out to those guys twister, common, kanye, all them. They real nice. Yeah, them them. Them.

Speaker 1 5:12

The cats I look up to so tell me where the name hyena squad actually comes from um, it comes from me and my boy came up with it because we run in packs.

Speaker 2 5:25

You know what I'm saying? We wild and we run in packs and we deep. That's what we came up with there, for Okay.

Speaker 1 5:34

So how deep is the crew other than you and Derange? Do y'all have an in-house producer? What's the team look like?

Speaker 2 5:40

Yeah, we have Calico. Shout out to Calico. We got May mayday, we got branson. We got top dray out of a uh drum majors atl um, and, and we got some. We got some other artists as far as like zara coca, heron, telly Woods, just to name a few.

Speaker 1 6:06

Okay, so y'all do have a pack then. Yeah, speaking of Atlanta, you brought up an Atlanta artist, you all? Hyena Squad has a record with 2 Chainz called Find Out. Tell me how Find Out came to be and tell people where they can find Find Out people where they can find, find out.

Speaker 2 6:32

Find out is on all streaming platforms spotify, itunes, uh and uh, apple, everything, um, but you can find it. We it came about, we have came out with this record. Uh, me and derange find out. He came up with the hook and we wrote our verses and we thought it would be clever to have a feature on the track. And we reached out to Flossie the Boss and he had some collaborations for sale. We took upon it and bought it and we hooked up with Rich Nation out of Miami Shout out to Mike Boss and he made it happen and we got the collaboration and put it out.

Speaker 1 7:15

Okay, now, how many projects have you and Derange put out and put together so far?

Speaker 2 7:20

We have about four to five group projects.

Speaker 1 7:28

Okay, yeah. Now are all of those projects available on streaming platforms, and which one are you most proud of?

Speaker 2 7:37

The one I'm most proud of is probably the Mafia Mentality, which was distributed by Sony. We met through LT, hooked us up with Jay Wazinski, we got the official major distribution and it's been exciting. It's in all platforms. I was just excited about that because it took our game to the next level.

Speaker 1 8:05

Well, that was actually about to be my next question. You know, I know you guys. I met you guys, I feel like, two years ago, mm-hmm, through LT. So how did your relationship with LT come to be and shout out to LT, for you know, bringing y'all to me so we can get y'all on the platform and let more people know who you are. How did your relationship with lt form?

Speaker 2 8:27

uh, we met lt through um hot, hot, hot rod and and atl. He connected us. We met hot rod at a show that we did. He liked our style, he liked our flow, he liked our performance and he said he had a guy he wanted to introduce us to that could take us to the next level. And he introduces the LT and it was just a match made in heaven. He's been a good, humble guy and he's been schooling us on the game. He's been hard on us and we like that and he made us better artists and better performers and that's what it is.

Speaker 1 9:11

Yeah, LT is a God-fearing man, but he's a pretty tough character. You know, like LT stays on top of you and stays on top of things.

Speaker 2 9:18

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 9:19

We like that. No, no, no, he's like that, I like, I like, I like, I like. Like it takes a diligence and organization to make it in this business and he's very diligent and very organized. So I'm always a big fan of how LT moved. Like you know, lt was hitting me up today. He was like yo, he was like my people are going to be straight what you got, Where's the link? What time? I was like, yeah, yeah, I was like we got you fam. I was like we got it locked in. I'm like boom, here's this, here's that. But I think that's what the game takes to make it. Now, how would you describe your style, ice Style? Who are some inspirations of yours and where do you pull your style from? Because I think you have a very what I like to call traditional Midwestern style, but you have a couple of different things sprinkled in. So, like, tell me what you think about your take on your style, liz.

Speaker 2 10:07

I think I got original hip-hop style Midwest low East Coast. I was influenced by Rap it Like Big Nas, big Pun, jay-z, eminem, just to name a few. Those guys really influenced me and that's where I pattern my flow off of.

Speaker 1 10:37

Who do you think is the greatest MC of all time Iced Out?

Speaker 2 10:43

Oh, that's tough. I'm going to go with pot. Okay, I'm with that.

Speaker 1 10:50

yeah, so I noticed because I got a lot of people from the d pock is real big in michigan, like real, real big. Why do you think? What is it about tupac's music that connects with the Michigan native? Because I got people in Sag Nasty, I got people in Detroit and it appears to be more Pac country than anywhere else in the Midwest.

Speaker 2 11:13

Pac used to run around Lansing and Detroit. He collabed with MC Bree before and that song was big and they just feel Pac, they like his style. He was just a real MC and I think that that's what a lot of people gravitate towards in Michigan.

Speaker 1 11:38

I think the artists who come out of Michigan have a social consciousness to him historically and I think the people gravitate towards Pac because of his social commentary. My people from Michigan they like shit that they can feel. You know what I'm saying. It doesn't have to be like all the lyrical wizardry and technical, scientific bar work. I think the Michigan native like shit that they can feel. So, look, this is going to be, this is going to seem like a little off color, but I got to ask you because you said you're from mid-Michigan, right, right. So you ever ran to Canada to get some of the Afghan weed, like my Detroit people used to? You ever had the Gans? You used to go run and get the Gans, don't lie.

Speaker 2 12:23

Back in the day.

Speaker 1 12:24

Yeah, you didn't know. I knew about the Gans, did you?

Speaker 2 12:28

I didn't know you knew about that, yeah.

Speaker 1 12:29

Yeah, my people used to go run and get that and bring that back down to the A back in the day.

Speaker 4 12:38

Yeah.

Speaker 1 12:40

Did y'all hear me? Yeah, we can hear you. Derange what's up, fam?

Speaker 4 12:44

I just need to do something. Hey, I figured I don't have to do that shit. It's all good. I'm hungry man. I had to go to the browser. A lot of them asked for permission. All right, whatever.

Speaker 1 13:06

What's going on, man? Nothing much, man. You know I got a couple questions for you. I've been talking to Ice out for a minute, so now we're going to focus on you and apply the pressure to you. Now. You're originally from Blytheville, arkansas.

Speaker 4 13:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 13:22

That's where I was born, arkansas yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. So Blytheville is like the most corner north eastern point of Arkansas, so it's not that far from Missouri or Tennessee. How long did you spend in Blytheville?

Speaker 4 13:35

Well, I spent a lot of my years in Blytheville just going back and forth to Memphis, missouri and Lansing as well. Right, I was about to say because, and Lansing as well.

Speaker 1 13:46

Right, I was about to say because Memphis is probably like an hour away, right.

Speaker 4 13:49

Yeah over the bridge, yeah over the Mississippi.

Speaker 1 13:51

Bridge. Yeah, yeah, some of the Coopers are from Orange Mound. I got Coopers from the Mound.

Speaker 4 13:57

Yeah, orange Mound, that's where A-Ball MJG's from.

Speaker 1 14:06

Yeah, yeah, I got people up there in the mound, but I know about, like Bahalia and Blytheville, like I've heard of those towns before. So what would you describe the hip hop scene like in that area and how the hell did you end up in Lansing?

Speaker 4 14:16

well, first of all, the hip hop scene. It's talented, but I haven't been there since 2003, but I've kept tabs on since 2003. But I've kept tabs on a few artists that got signed to, like Gucci Mane and stuff like that, like Big Cootie, big Cooter Cootie, something like that, and some younger another younger artist. But it's a good look, but it's not that many people there. The population is probably like between like 30,000, 40,000. But it's a good look, but there's not that many people there. The population is probably like between 30,000 and 40,000. But it's still integrated. You got whites on one side, blacks on the other side.

Speaker 1 14:54

I actually checked. The population is actually about 15,000. Less than that.

Speaker 4 15:01

I'm just doing a rough estimate.

Speaker 1 15:03

That's a good rough estimate. I just like to make sure I'm doing my homework. So, um, you did a little stretch.

Speaker 4 15:12

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 15:15

Tell me what that's like doing that type of time. Like you was gone for 17 years. How did you? What year did you go away? When did you come back? And like, tell me what that was like transitioning back into society and finding something productive and proactive to do, like hip-hop.

Speaker 4 15:30

Okay, my first dress. I did four and a half. I matched up. I was from 19 to 23, going on 24. I was wild in the streets. Girls are dope, all that you know. So I stayed out for about a year, almost there. I, you know, was trying to be a superhero for my female cousin who got abused by her baby daddy, so I tried to off him. He survived. Of course he pressed charges. I ended up getting 12 years for that.

Speaker 1 16:18

Actually, they were trying to give me 20 to life man I was about to say they was probably trying to hand you time if you tried to snuff them.

Speaker 4 16:26

Yeah, then you know what I'm saying. I called a fair case for a pistol that was stolen out the QM of the Army. And well, really, they was trying to give me that case as well, because that's what all my cases involved with is carrying a gun, putting it like that, putting it like that gun, yeah, gun charges, yeah, because my first case was an accessory for a robbery. You know what I'm saying. But fast forward to now, okay. So when I did the 12-year stretch, I actually told my lawyer to go in there and have the prosecuting attorney and tell him, like man, he said he could do that I was wrong. I was in the wrong, you know. So I knew what I could do. You know what I'm saying, god. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 17:23

God, you know what I'm saying was really with me during the time I was spending in that cell, two years in the hole. You know I broke the record of being in the hole the longest. You know I read the Bible, I mean, I read New Testament. In like two weeks, just trying to get closer to God, I fasted a lot. You know what I'm saying. I quit, I quit. Well, how should I put it? I quit. Looking at nasty magazines put it like that yeah.

Speaker 1 17:54

cut the pornography out.

Speaker 4 17:55

Yeah, I cut that all out.

Speaker 4 17:57

You know what I'm saying. And I was trying to get closer and I did get closer and he blessed me with that time. Then I made a covenant with him like just give me this time, you know, I said where I still be able to make music. Come out, do music. Because from from from when I started, when I first started rapping I was 14, but I liked the music. I mean since I was like younger, you know, I said younger than eight years old, you know what I'm saying coming up. So God blessed me with that opportunity to come out and still make music. So here I am today and I've been out going on eight years straight with no incidents, no runners, with the authorities. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 18:37

Now Got my own record label, casper Yard Records. You know what I'm saying. I'm part owner of I Star Records. You know he made me an owner, part owner. You know what I'm saying. Got a distribution deal with Virgin. Now I had a distribution deal on the table with Equity slash Rock Nation, but I felt like that wasn't the right fit for me and my company and the artists that I have coming up. You know what I'm saying. Upcoming artists out of Lansing, you know, for being my company and the artists that I have coming up. You know what I'm saying. Upcoming artists, adelanson, you know. And then so we got the one-year distribution with Rich Dacey, slash Universal with the 2 Chainz record. You know, I wrote that record. I'm a good writer. When I was locked up I wrote over 600 albums and if you go to my catalog or my page or my account, I write all my music. You know what I'm saying. I write all my music.

Speaker 1 19:28

Give people the name of the account where they can find that, Because I was going to ask you how much material did you have from the time that you were incarcerated? But you said you mean 600 songs or 600 albums no 600 albums.

Speaker 4 19:40

I can show you the Foot Locker. Right now I'm in my studio, right now. I can show you the Foot Locker. Right now I'm in my studio, right now. I can show you the Foot Locker. You know what I'm saying? I got Benz, benz, benz music.

Speaker 1 19:54

The Foot Locker over there though.

Speaker 4 19:55

Yeah, bro, you can find my music, the Rage of Messiah. Make sure you put D-A the Rage space, d-a space Messiah on YouTube, then-h-i-a on YouTube, then you can look for it. On the Raise the Hood Preceptor, you can see all my videos and stuff like that that we got 600 albums.

Speaker 1 20:13

So let's say that you just did 12 songs. On average, that means you probably recorded about. You're saying you've written about 4,000 songs while you was locked up. Is that like a fair estimate?

Speaker 4 20:23

Yes, look, before you was locked up. Is that like a fair estimate? Yes, because look, before I got locked up on this last case, my mom and one of my exes tried to get me to do gospel music. You need to start doing that, y'all tripping. So when I got locked up, I tapped into that, I tapped into that, I tapped into it. It was a challenge. So that's when I came up with God's World. That's when I came up with God's World and I got DMX on the intro and outro.

Speaker 4 21:00

And he put it on this book, fresh Blood. You know it's forever stamp, you know what I'm saying. He gave me the stamp of approval. You know he put fire on it. He's like wow, you're fire. You know what I'm saying, all that. So he put me on this last mixtape you know about it, you out there, right, fresh Blood. He put me at number three. So that was a big move for me. And the track list you know, when you do a track list on an album, you know you start from like the good, the openers, the albums.

Speaker 1 21:35

You put your heat up top. You put your heat up top to get people's attention.

Speaker 4 21:38

Yeah, so I was number three, so I was very honored, you know what I'm saying. Then he put it on topbigstatecom, then he put it on splintwheelercom and then he plugged me in with his promotional company 520 out there in Phoenix, when he was living out there in Phoenix doing his show, his reality show.

Speaker 1 21:59

I remember you throwing ATVs out on the land and all that shit, yeah rattlesn, snakes with his hand and shit.

Speaker 4 22:05

I'm like, wow, I'm crazy. So then Jadakiss tapped in with me. He hit me on Instagram like, good luck, I like what you're doing, I see you working. So I'm like, all right, let's work. So I paid him to shout me out on one of his IG stories. Right, he did it. He can't do it. I I I probably got that connect with him. Then rough riders radio hit me up. They put the song on the radio, so but okay so yeah, you know you.

Speaker 1 22:32

You've answered a lot of my questions for you. I was going to ask how the x thing happened and how that all came to be. And now you said something real strong. We got to get you all out of here in a minute, okay, you said something that I've never heard anybody say in all the interviews I've done, and that's you told me that you made a covenant with God. Yeah, he honors all covenants, do you think?

Speaker 4 22:54

that, that covenant that you made, yeah, I can reveal it. I can reveal it because man, god Jesus, got to understand that I told him let me get a deal in the music industry and I will build two churches. I will build a church in my hometown and a church where I grew up at, where I was raised up at, because of the poverty, the genocide, the struggle you know what I'm saying. The violence. You know. Struggle, you know what I'm saying the violence. You know I can't change everybody, but I know I can change a lot of people. You know I got that influence here in Lassen and in my building.

Speaker 1 23:36

Yeah, so have the churches been built? No, I ain't got the money yet. Okay, but you plan on honoring the covenant though, yeah, the money yet Okay, but you plan on honoring the covenant though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay. Have you thought about maybe donating proceeds from like I know y'all have been doing shows and stuff? Have you thought about maybe donating some of the proceeds from shows to maybe start a fund to build one in these areas?

Speaker 4 24:03

Oh, that's a good thing, that's a good thought. That's a good thing, that's a good thought, that's a good idea I'm more than an interviewer.

Speaker 1 24:08

I'm more than an interviewer, I'm a thinker too.

Speaker 4 24:10

So yeah, yeah that's what I thought.

Speaker 1 24:16

Okay, yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, that's just, that's just something, something to think about, like you know. I mean like, like, when you said that, that kind of hit me because it's like, well, the scripture says he honors all covenants, you know, what I'm saying but it works both ways, on both sides too. It's like, well, he honors it, but you got to honor it too to keep it up. And maybe the increase in finances comes with you honoring a piece of the covenant by building the first one.

Speaker 4 24:42

Right.

Speaker 1 24:44

Yeah, Tell me what y'all are currently working on right now, where we can find it and where y'all are about to be.

Speaker 4 24:54

Right now we got a documentary series coming. I don't know if it's going to be a series yet. It could be a series but we got the documentary called Glad to Be coming out pretty soon. I got no Jabba, my single, coming out under the Virgin Distribution, dropping June 21st. I got the Talk of Lancet dropping July 1st under my independent distribution DistroKid. Then I got another album dropping uh August 1st. It's called letter to the world. And then of course we got to find out. You know what I'm saying. Circulate through the uh system. That's doing good. I started.

Speaker 2 25:38

I started, I got, I got um. I ain't thirsty, I'm hungry. Dropping September 20th on Empire Distribution that's coming out.

Speaker 4 25:52

And look out for another Hyena Squad album coming soon. Yeah, yeah, and we got all this stuff we're putting out too.

Speaker 1 25:57

Yeah, yeah, While you was waiting to jump in, Ice Top was putting me on to the whole pack. You know what I'm saying. So y'all make sure y'all stay in the loop with us when your other cats is releasing projects, hit me up, Hit LT up. Lt got my math. Lt got my direct line. You know what I'm saying. Let's make a shake and let's help put y'all on. I was asking. I stopped while you were off to explain the Lansing scene to our audience. How would you describe the Lansing scene? Derange.

Speaker 4 26:27

Well, we got a lot of talent here in Lansing. We ain't being noticed. We had artists like UNLV that really took off. Back then we had Cropside, we had Cropside, we had Sippy Heights. Ain't nobody really just took off like hip-hop, like us. We were like the first hip-hop group. We got in a good situation like that.

Speaker 1 27:03

You feel the love when you walk around the town.

Speaker 4 27:06

Oh yeah, yeah, it's love. We got our ticket behind us. Everywhere we go. We donate, we sell our merch, we donate some merch, give away Sign autographs Everybody want autographs and we can move through the city because it's our city. But we still got to move back to New York because you still got to hate us. We don't worry about that. We let God control that, control them. We don't pray on their demise. We don't pray anything harmful to the Bible. We pray to put our enemies in our footstool.

Speaker 1 27:46

Yes, there'll be weeping and gnashing of teeth for people who mess with hyenas. Hard Heard that, heard that. Well, I appreciate y'all coming out. I appreciate putting y'all on. You know, I don't know if you remember when we met a couple years ago at the Juneteenth event.

Speaker 2 28:07

Yeah, I remember yeah.

Speaker 1 28:10

I threw that event that was my event. Yeah, that was my event.

Speaker 2 28:16

Yeah, we were there.

Speaker 1 28:19

That was definitely a good event when y'all was up on Metropolitan in Atlanta for Juneteenth a couple years ago.

Speaker 2 28:23

Yeah, yeah, that was my event when y'all was up on Metropolitan in Atlanta for Juneteenth a couple years ago. Yeah, wow.

Speaker 1 28:27

Yeah that was my event.

Speaker 2 28:29

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 28:30

I was at the gym.

Speaker 2 28:31

Yeah, that's where. Yeah, nigga, you was there. That's where we were at the bowling alley in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 28:39

Yeah, the Metro Fund Center on.

Speaker 2 28:41

Metropolitan. Yeah, yeah, we threw the money in the bank.

Speaker 4 28:44

Yeah, yeah, and I the audience in the face. Yeah, yeah, I kept looking at you like man you look so big?

Speaker 1 28:50

Yeah, we've met, we've talked, we've done this dance before my G Okay, okay, there you go.

Speaker 4 28:56

It came right back around.

Speaker 1 28:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the way the Cypher complete. We're about to get started with the rest of our show. I'm going to tell you, like I told Ice out, make sure y'all pump this interview all through the area, with your peoples and through all channels. Y'all are growing, we're growing. We appreciate y'all coming out. Shout out to the homie LT, shout out to y'all, shout out for the positive message through all the strife that y'all have. I'm putting my answer on, and we'll chop it up soon, fellas.

Speaker 4 29:25

LT got my math, y'all can hit me.

RIP Jerry West

Speaker 1 29:27

I appreciate it, I appreciate y'all. Peace, peace, and now Hip Hop Talks. The episode AG. Sean, what up, what's good, what's good, what's good? You tell me what's good. I mean, I see you. You know, we might as well get started right there. You WV'd out. It's kind of funny. A couple weeks ago I brought up the now late great Jerry West and how he's one of the greatest players of all time that people don't talk about. Well, he just passed away, ag. I think he, along with Randy Moss, is arguably the greatest athlete to ever come out of the state of West Virginia, which is your home state. So if you wanted to wax poetic for a minute, and Sean and I'll piggyback on it, we can kind of get the show kicked off that way.

Speaker 3 30:23

Yes, sir, real, we can kind of get the show kicked off that way. Yes, sir, real, quick. Sean, you on a mute. I'm good now You're good. Okay, all right, cool.

Speaker 3 30:31

Yeah, man, this is a rare opportunity you know what I'm saying Get to talk about a legend, you know, from my home state of West Virginia. You see the Jersey. I ain't gonna lie, this joint's like hella snug man. I'd have had this Jersey since 2003,. Like a 21 year old throwback. So you know I'm saying I had to rep for, uh, jerry west tonight on the show.

Speaker 3 30:51

Um, you know, jerry west, uh, oddly enough, uh got some ties to, you know, indirectly to my family. Um, my kid's mother, you know, which would be my kid's great on her side, graduated high school with Jerry West. He grew up in Cabin Creek, hence the name Zeke, from Cabin Creek, west Virginia, which is approximately about an hour from where I'm located, you know, and he went to college at West Virginia University and then on to the NBA and became what we know as the logo Mr Clutch and one of the greatest players of all time, and you know I was sad to hear of his passing. He lived a long life at 86, you know, a dope GM, one of the greatest players ever. You know, michael Jordan could even be quoted as saying you know, if he wanted to test his skills against somebody from another era, it would be against Jerry West. You know, that's how much respect you know Jerry West had in the game of basketball. And you know, I just think that he doesn't get enough credit in his career. Like Coop alluded to you know, a few shows ago. I think that his finals record, you know, of one and eight in the finals, kind of you know, followed him. You know his whole career and it was a bad stigma that was put on that. And the one time he did win in 72, I think it was it wasn't against the Celtics because he could never get over the hump of, you know, bill Russell's Celtics, but he did get one against the Knicks and he's the only player you know for those of you who may not know to win an NBA Finals MVP on the losing team. You know that was in 1969. So that just shows you how great he was as a player, although I do think LeBron should have won it in 15 instead of Iguodala, but that's another story. But you know, when the Cavs, when the Cavs lost to the Warriors.

Speaker 3 32:56

But some of the other dope things he did in his career, you know he put up. I think his career average in points is like 27 points per game. You know he put up. I think his career average in points is like 27 points per game. All before the three-point line was instated in the NBA. Because the three-point line came around 79. Jerry West came.

Speaker 3 33:13

Jerry West retired in around 74, so he was putting up buckets A handful of years he averaged over 30 a game. He's one of the only people to average 40 or more points for an entire playoffs. I mean, he was a bucket getter and for me personally he's on my Mount Rushmore of NBA shooting guards. I know he was a combo guard at the one and two but you know, at the shooting guard position I got him, you know, number four behind Jordan, kobe and Wade and all time, objectively I'd say he falls anywhere between the 10 and 15 spot all time. And I'm proud to say that I'm from West Virginia, the home of Jerry West, you know. So rest in peace to the legend. The logo, mr Clutch.

Speaker 5 34:00

Sean what you got, yo man. Rest in peace to the legend. The logo AG said it very well man, shout out to West Virginia's own. One of the greatest minds of basketball, not just a player, but just a great mind of basketball. One of the greatest executives that the game has ever seen Put together. Some of the best teams know what to look for in talent, all the way up until his death.

Speaker 5 34:23

They had an interview they posted of him a couple of weeks ago where he was talking about the era of basketball versus you know he was I guess he was flaming JJ Reddick on some things that JJ Reddick mentioned and he dissected it like so eloquently and just really broke it down on how the game is really played and how it was actually positioned. And for him to articulate that very well in this stage in his life to me that was just. That shows you how great of a basketball mind he really was man. So again, rest in peace to a legend. We lost a great one for the NBA world, for the basketball world, and salute to West Virginia, salute to his family. God bless his family and yeah, that's all I have. He said it very well.

Speaker 1 35:06

A couple of things and then we can slide to the actual hip hop portion of hip hop talks. I mean, people do understand. This is the man that got Shaq to LA and got Kobe to LA. He is responsible for the modern day Lakers dynasty. Yeah, so he and a lot of people don't understand this about how great that he was before michael jordan and magic johnson inserted their prominence and their dominance on the nba.

Speaker 1 35:33

The all-time great backcourt was oscar robertson and jerry west. So you have to understand that from the time that he started playing basketball, pretty much till magic and michael both hit their prime mid to late 80s, he was considered to be the greatest shooting guard of all time and I I'm like you, ag I've had him at number four, but when I really started sitting back and thinking about it, I might have to put him at number three ahead of wade. He's a better shooter than Wade. He played in more finals than Wade. He had a tougher road than Wade. He has a higher points per game average than Wade. He has a higher points per game average than everybody, except for Michael Jordan, wilt Chamberlain, lebron.

Speaker 1 36:18

James and Kevin Durant. Luka technically qualifies right now, but we're going to see how Luka ages, because the thing about holding that, it's actually more of a feat when you finish your career with that 25 point per game and older, because you know you tend to dissipate and have a couple years where you don't average that 25 to 30. And you're right. He averaged 27 points for his whole career without a three-point line, 10-time first all-NBA all-defensive team as well.

Speaker 3 36:46

Yeah, five times right, I think it was five times all-defensive.

Speaker 1 36:50

Five or six, five or six, correct. So he wasn't just and this is what I mean when I have to think about it, he's one of the greatest shooters of all time.

Speaker 5 37:00

Nobody talks about that. The middie was crazy. Nobody talks about that.

Speaker 1 37:05

The middie was crazy. Right, we talk about guys like KD Mo Cheeks and their mid-range game. No, it's like Jerry West was in that conversation for shot and mid-range game Because you knew he was going left. You knew he was popping at 15. There was absolutely nothing you could do about it. Nothing you could do about it.

Speaker 3 37:23

He was smooth as silk man.

Speaker 1 37:25

Yeah, so we lost the legend. People understand this. This man, Coach Kareem, bought Shaq and Kobe to the Lakers, drafted James Worthy, helped put together that Golden State team as well, made the Memphis Grizzlies a relevant franchise. He is, if we're talking about in combination, of player to front office. He's the best we've ever seen in that role.

Speaker 3 37:49

And not only as a GM or a player. Just the man is that. You would never catch anybody saying anything bad about Jerry West when he was alive, like he's just an all around, you know wonderful human being. You know everybody who talked about him always had glowing things to say about him. So you know we lost a good one absolutely no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 5 38:13

So, fellas, hey, cool, do you want to get in some cool corner or you want to go to some music?

"Snoop & Dre" Missionary Album

Speaker 1 38:19

you don't want to. Let's curb the corner this week and let's kind of get to the music okay, let's get into some new music.

Speaker 5 38:25

So the first thing I want to throw to you guys is the Dre and Snoop joint that's projected to come out next month, july, and that is the Missionary album. It's supposed to be the sequel to Doggystyle. Of course, I'm going to start with you, coop. How are you feeling about this one?

Speaker 1 38:44

I don't like that. They're calling it missionary.

Speaker 3 38:47

Pause, it's going to be a positional debate.

Speaker 1 38:53

I mean okay. So when we hear missionary, we obviously know that Snoop's first album is Doggystyle. I don't think a lot of people notice this. Dr Dre only produced Snoop's album one time, so this is the sequel. It's literally 30 years later, bingo now.

Speaker 1 39:14

I've always said this and I'm just gonna be mindful and careful with this, because we're dealing with two icons and two legends. You niggas don't stand a chance of replicating doggy style in any shape, form or fashion. The hell is wrong with you. What is wrong with you? Doggy style, in my opinion, is a top five rap album all time. You, old ass niggas, you think that you're going to actually do something that comes close to doggy style. You're set like they are setting themselves up. They are setting themselves up for failure. But here's what I do love. I love how snoop is bringing death row back. Yeah, but this right here, they need to change the name because the name says sequel to Doggy Style. There is no sequel to Doggy Style. You won't be remaking a top five rap album all time. I'm funny when people do that, like when I heard Ghost. They're like Ghost working on Supreme Clientele 2. I was like telling him. I said stop, then how about that? How?

Speaker 5 40:22

about he stopped.

Speaker 1 40:24

You know, what I'm saying it's like no, like, don't do that to yourself, because you set up the expectation. It's Snoop and Dre, it's. The expectation is already unreasonably high.

Speaker 1 40:35

It is you're gonna do a sequel yeah now when I hear the Lady of Rage's verse on the Dog Pound album and I wanna hear the when I hear the new Dog Rage's verse on the Dog Pound album and I want to hear the when I hear the new Dog Pound album, which is fire, by the way. It's time for our mid-season review. By the way, it's time for our mid-season review. There's been a lot of dope projects this year that we haven't talked about. We need to actually spend like probably a good three hour show giving some discourse to those albums. Lp I didn't love the fact that he did the Purple Tape 2.

Speaker 1 41:04

Now, the Purple Tape 2, as far as sequels go for all-time great rap albums, that is the barometer of how. If you're going to do a sequel, it needs to sound like that. Do you know what that man had to do to make that sequel? No, he had to pull. He pulled Meth out the bag and Deck out the bag and Ghost Out the Bag and Ghost Out the Bag and Dilla and RZA and Dr Dre. He had to pull out all the stops to do the Purple Tape 2 and even that still, how about this? Y'all think the Purple Tape 2 is a top 50 rap album.

Speaker 5 41:35

I don't think it's top 50. It might be 75. Maybe 75. 80-ish.

Speaker 1 41:44

Right, it's a top five rap album and that's about the best sequel that I've heard from an album that is in that stratosphere.

Speaker 3 41:53

With that much gap in between Right.

Speaker 1 41:57

That's what I'm saying it's like look at the gap. And I love the Purple Tape too. It's probably the best rap album that year. Yeah, he's actually one of the few guys walking around with multiple album of the year credentials in Ray, with the purple tape one and two. Look at the gap. We're talking about a top five rap album 75, 80. And that's the barometer. So it's just hard. That's why I'm not a fan of sequels. It's like like no, leave that shit over there where it was. I don't know. Call this shit something else call this return to the G-Funk era or something.

Speaker 1 42:37

Don't call it missionary, don't do that that's a tough act to follow call it Welcome to Death Row again. Do something else, something else.

Speaker 5 42:49

What do you think, AG? Are you anticipating this one?

Speaker 3 42:54

You know who hit on a lot of points. My biggest thing is if it ever even sees the light of day. You know, because I won't really get excited about the project until it's on DSPs and I'm pressing play on it. You know what I mean, because Dre's a perfectionist and it's been countless. Dr Dre produced projects that never come out. We got Detox, we got the Rock Him album that was supposed to come out, the Eve album, the Busta Rhymes album or Aftermath. It was a lot of things that never saw the light of day, that he was behind. So, um, you know, and it's july, is a month away I really don't see it happening. If we see a pushback, then that's going to be the first red flag. You know that it's not getting done right, um, but as far as you know the points that coop alluded, I think calling it missionary is setting itself up for failure. And I'm glad LP, because even before we put that in the chat I was thinking along the lines of Only Built for Cuban Links 2, because there was a lot of space between those two releases, and I think Only Built for Cuban Links 2 was a four and a half mic album, but that .5 that you know that is missing in the original Cuban Lynx. It's a lot of space in that little bit in that .5. You know what I mean Because personally, cuban Lynx to me is the second greatest rap album of

Speaker 3 44:17

all time. You know it's in my top five. And you know Cuban Lynx 2, although great, it's nowhere near touching it. So Coop already alluded to that. I don't think it can do it. I don't think it's possible because Snoop is not rapping on the same level, first of all because he hasn't rapped on that level since 93. And that's no disrespect, it's just a fact. And as far as Dre's production, we don't have a large sample size in modern day of stuff that Dre has done to make an assessment to see if he could produce something on the level of the original Doggystyle. So basically I really don't have any expectations. But if it does come out, just as long as it's on the level of the Dog Pound album album, because, like Coop said, that's a very strong dope album I like it that the OGs are

Speaker 3 45:08

back outside. It's a West Coast resurgence of sorts because we got the Dog Pound, this album. Announcement Big Hit and Game is active. Kendrick won the battle. Vince Staples is outside you have Blue Lips Schoolboy. The West Coast is active, active. So I just like it for the West in general. But we'll see.

"Styles P" announcement of new album

Speaker 5 45:32

I'll just say that we'll see so we have another announcement that came out as well from one of our top dogs for hip hop, and that's Styles P, and he dropped this on his Instagram, saying his last solo album will be a three-part series. Ghosts of the past, ghosts of the present, ghosts of the future. Memoirs of a gangster and a gentleman. Corona, queen stand up first and foremost. Queens get the money. I'm going to be honest, fellas, I don't know about this. I don't know because this is a lot. This is a three-part series.

Speaker 5 46:07

Ghost never disappointed us with the rhymes. I'm not worried about that. I'm curious to what direction he's going with this. Is this going to be introspective? Is this going to be one of those concept albums that he's putting together? Is it going to be that hard shit that we know that he can deliver? What are we going to get from this Dallas Pete? I'm more curious to see who's going to be producing it If he's going to go back to the green and get like Pete Killer, get a little bit of Swizz in there, that old Swizz in there, not the Swizz that we've been hearing, you know, with the Busta Rhymes joints, or anything like that Blockbuster.

Speaker 5 46:47

No disrespect to swears, but you know Damian Grease, you know who else they have Poops, all those guys like that.

Speaker 3 46:55

He's just coming off the project with Havoc too. He might, you know, tap into some Havoc production.

Speaker 5 46:59

And that was dope as well. I want to hear a little bit of Havoc in there, but not a lot. I want to hear just a sprinkle of that, but it depends on how we're going to get to it. I mean, this is a three-part series and he said this is the last solo joint, so we know what he can do. I'm just curious how you guys feel about Styles P. Is Coop looking like he's getting tight over there? You got to give me one. So far, coop is not looking forward to Snoop and Drake. How about Styles Coop?

Speaker 1 47:29

Not looking forward to it at all. I'm not. What the hell was that Ghost of what? Who? The hell is he Ghost of the past, ghost of the present, ghost of the future. Yeah man With the cloudies. What the fuck is that?

Speaker 5 47:48

What is that? It might be a perceptual joint.

Speaker 3 47:50

now, that's what I'm thinking, Sean. That's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 47:55

Oh, go ahead, Coop. No, no, please, you go ahead, have fun, somebody needs to.

Speaker 3 48:07

You know sometimes I might be thinking, you know, too deeply into things or whatever and giving artists too much credit, but, like I did with the eminem um album coming up, how I wanted to see that be conceptual right. Um, the same thing with this styles p. Um, just kind of reading into the titles, maybe it's something like a few eps that if you put it together forms one lengthy project. You know this is just me assuming but based off the titles past, present and future, styles P, as a man has went through, you know, some evolving Right.

Speaker 4 48:36

You know what I?

Speaker 3 48:37

mean, and he's more of a conscious MC now. He always sprinkled it in there a little bit, but he's more of a conscious MC now. So you know, say the ghost of the present might be on that kind of vibe, ghost of the past might be on that hard you know gutter street talk that we used to hear a lot from Styles P and then the future might hold something different. At least that's how I envision the project. I could be way off and totally wrong.

Speaker 5 49:03

That's how I look at it too, ag. I think his daughter committed suicide several years ago. He's rededicated his life. There's a lot going on with Styles' piece. This could be reflective. This could be some things that he wanted to get off his chest personally. Let me get these two super chats real quick KL007, queens get the money. Salute to y'all. Definitely Queens get the money. Salute to y'all Definitely Queens get the money. Definitely Tracy G $10 super chat. Appreciate you, tracy, as a person who thinks Drake won the battle, as he did everything right with battle. I wrap in thoughts on rappers influenced by Dot being better than Dot. Tracy's going to be on that hill. I'm sorry, dot JID and Coles Contra. We's going to be on that hill. I'm sorry, dot J-I-D and Coles Contra. We're going to get into that as well, tracy, so hold that thought.

Speaker 1 49:51

Hold on real quick, tracy. I love you, baby. He lost, he lost, he lost. See, I take my victories the way I take my L's, like a grown-ass man. He lost. J-i-d has lost. Jid has potential, JID has not, and I love JID's last album. He has not proven himself to be the album maker that Kendrick is, although he has some of the same capabilities as an emcee and a storyteller. We will see how he puts the package together. Yeah, close, but no cigar. Same thing with Coach Contra Close, but no cigar. Drake lost, he lost. He's out here doing light-skinned things like deleting this record off of social media and YouTube.

Speaker 5 50:36

He's doing very light-skinned things.

Speaker 1 50:39

Very light-skinned things. I told you. He got his hair braided up like Chico the Barnes before he shaved it. It's like I don't know what the hell's going on.

Speaker 5 50:49

Yo, this is crazy. Any other thoughts? Any other thoughts on how man's style is going?

Speaker 1 50:54

No, I mean okay. So here's my thing with the Styles project, because I love some style.

Speaker 1 50:59

Because I love Styles. You know what I'm saying. I really do. Yeah, yeah, what? Because I love Styles, you know what I'm saying. I really do, yeah, yeah, what is Styles about to do that he hasn't done before? Like I would rather hear another Lox album than another Styles or Kiss album, if you really want to know the truth. And that's my thought. Because when he says Ghost of the Past, I'm like how about you scrap that and give me a Lox album? I'm like how about you scrap that and give me a locks album? When he says ghost of the future, I'm like, well, styles has never been a futuristic type of guy. He's always been a core fundamentals on his rap, big bully shit type of guy. So it's like I'm worried about what to expect. I am worried about the production. I am like who's doing the production? I am who's doing the production Because Styles is usually on his East Coast shit, I'm with you. Is PK and Dame Grease in the building? Are we going to update the formula and get some conductor up in there? You know what?

Speaker 5 51:59

I'm saying that would be dope, too Pete.

Speaker 1 52:01

Rock is sounding very refreshed. We got some PR joints coming, so it's not that I don't want to hear it. It's really dependent upon how it goes. You know what I'm saying? Like how he really puts it together, and so that's what I'm actually concerned with right now is how he's actually going to put it together In a trilogy Three albums From a dude who might give us one album every three years when he was in his prime. Yeah, you about to do three can I ask a question?

Speaker 3 52:31

when was that versus against Dipset? Was that 22?

Speaker 1 52:36

no, that was. I feel like that's 21.

Speaker 5 52:39

21 to your point about one, the locks album.

Speaker 3 52:45

Maybe that was something that was in the works, but from the looks of it, 21? Yeah To your point about one, the Lox album, coop. Maybe that was something that was in the works but from the looks of it, styles P, the only one that wants to be in the studio. And that's no shade against Sheik and Jada. But if you're Jada, are you not capitalizing off that notoriety from the verses it's been three years.

Speaker 5 53:02

I don't know AG, because Sheik has dropped a lot of albums bro.

Speaker 3 53:10

I know he dropped one since the Versus, but has he dropped more than that?

Speaker 5 53:13

Yes, he just don't promote them, he just throws them out he just throws them out, and whoever catches him catches him.

Speaker 4 53:22

I don't agree. I didn't catch those. Here's my thing. Here's my thing. Catches them catches them. Oh LP, I don't agree.

Speaker 5 53:26

I didn't catch those Well here's my thing.

Speaker 1 53:29

Here's my thing. The locks has a group. They can still go up the all-time list with a couple more locks projects.

Speaker 5 53:36

Right.

Speaker 1 53:38

Where do you have the?

Speaker 5 53:38

locks all-time. As a group. As a group.

Speaker 3 53:42

Maybe, seven-ish.

Speaker 5 53:45

I got maybe ten, maybe I don't know, seven.

Speaker 1 53:49

Seven is high for them, seven is high for me.

Speaker 3 53:52

I was going to say seven or eight. They're in the top ten, but you know, Are you sure about that?

Speaker 5 53:56

They might be outside the top ten. Bro, I'm going to be honest with you, are we counting duos?

Speaker 3 54:00

Does duo count? Because I'm not counting duos.

Speaker 1 54:03

No, no, no, my beep counts Okay. Okay, that drops some lower. I usually put duos and groups separate.

Speaker 3 54:13

I usually put groups of three or more.

Speaker 5 54:16

Their potential is top five.

Speaker 1 54:20

Just off rip Run BMC NWA Wu-Tang Clan OutKast la the roots um eight ball mjg ugk. Who do you have, little little brother, the locks? The locks I got the locks up and down, yeah I think it's close okay, so here's where the locks is fading, little brother, it's all the fucking bars on all the mixtapes, the solo work too.

Speaker 3 54:51

They got. You know the features, the solo work, you know that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 54:54

This is like they they getting little brother just on the mixtape. Action, that's without the kiss and styles and chic solo projects, yeah, but but what I'm saying is that another great? How did y'all feel about the Living Off Experience album?

Speaker 5 55:10

It was good.

Speaker 1 55:11

It was good.

Speaker 5 55:13

It's not classic, it's not great, it's solid.

Speaker 1 55:17

What do you like more? We are the streets of the Living Off Experience album.

Speaker 3 55:20

Definitely we are the streets, yeah, but those beats didn't age as well, but I definitely love we are the streets more than living off experience I got a neck and neck for for the same reasons, but that's what I.

Speaker 1 55:33

That's what's keeping them from being top 10. Those are their two best albums. That's why they're not in the top 10, like everybody. Everybody else in the top 10 has about three or four albums better than those two albums, and that's not even close. Right, three or four, and it's not close. It's not close. Let's take a group like the Roots Illidelf, things Fall Apart are way better than those albums.

Speaker 3 55:55

Leaps and bounds ahead of those albums. And to your point, coop, there's not a definitive solo record either. People consider Gangsta and the Gentleman. Some people consider that a classic, but it's not a definitive solo classic record for many of them.

Speaker 5 56:10

It's really good, it's great, it's great.

Speaker 1 56:16

I don't know if it's all-time great, though.

Speaker 3 56:18

No, it's not a wildly renowned classic. You want to know what could have pushed it over.

Speaker 1 56:24

A couple of Lox joints because they were in their bag around that time. A couple of Lox joints because they were in their bag around that time. A couple of Lox joints could have made Gangsta and the Gentleman a classic.

Speaker 3 56:31

I think it was actually when he was on.

Speaker 5 56:32

Yeah that was 01. Jada Kidd was on Fuego in 01.

Speaker 1 56:36

Right that's what I mean. But no that's what I'm saying, ag is that if you would have got you some more kissing chic features in there, chic features in there, you probably do have an all-time, because the album's great it is a little lengthy but it's there.

Speaker 3 56:49

Do you put it over? Kiss the Gang, goodbye, no, yes.

Speaker 5 56:53

I don't. I think they're, even I do, but overall body I don't. Overall body I don't, Because Kiss had the range.

Speaker 1 57:05

You want to know what it is. It's three records. It's Show Discipline with Nas, it's Unharm with DMX and it's the original Feel Me. Those are the over-the-top moments that I would probably say put the Kiss album over that.

Speaker 5 57:18

Not Yourself. Out was a banger.

Speaker 3 57:20

None of y'all better.

Speaker 1 57:24

None of y'all better. We gonna make it. Yeah, you want to know it. It's Kiss the a lock. Appreciate this. None of y'all better. It's Kiss the Game. Goodbye, it's got. We Gon' Make it on there.

Speaker 3 57:30

I'm still going to fade, I ain't forgot. I'm still going to fade that Jeezy album.

Speaker 5 57:36

Let it go man. You're going to stop man Chill out bro. Let it go.

Speaker 3 57:42

Let it go man, we got to revisit Stationhead for that. Anyway, moving on, shout out to Let it go, man, let it go, we got to revisit.

Speaker 5 57:47

Stasia here, but anyway, moving on, moving on. Yo shout out to Deuce for the $20 super chat. Appreciate you, bro. That's all love, Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 57:53

Appreciate y'all.

LL Cool J. New Single Announced

Speaker 5 57:54

So, keeping in the theme of new music coming out, another Queens get the money. Ll announced on his IG new album coming. Then he dropped the visuals today for the. I'm going to laugh. It's not funny, but he dropped the visuals for the single. I don't know what the hell LL is wearing man, and look how he's standing up man he's standing up like he's a 50-year-old man trying to be cool man the bell bottoms.

Speaker 3 58:19

He's taking Rock the Bells to a whole new level.

Speaker 5 58:23

Yo L be bugging man. Yo L be bugging man like your queens get the money y'all date.

Speaker 1 58:27

But L be bugging yo yo, what are these old ass niggas doing? What is going on?

Speaker 3 58:35

yo remember when L used to roll the one pants leg up. Yo I'd like to see him try to roll one of them boys up.

Speaker 5 58:42

I was on that too. I had the one pants leg up with the bandana under the pants leg. I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 58:49

If he starts to roll the pant leg up now, he'll be here till Monday still rolling it up Yo.

Speaker 4 58:56

Yo.

Speaker 5 58:57

Yo look at this again, man.

Speaker 1 58:59

What are they doing? What is that? What are they doing?

Speaker 5 59:04

We love you man. Look how he's standing up though.

Speaker 1 59:12

He looks like a black version of T-2000 from Terminator 2. What the fuck is going on? What are these old people doing?

Speaker 5 59:22

Yo, this is crazy. Yo, I'm not looking forward to it, I'm being honest. No, no, no, real talk.

Speaker 1 59:29

Who names an album missionary, who decides that they're retiring with the Trilogy album, and just who the fuck just does. Whatever it is that LL's doing, what?

Speaker 5 59:36

is going on.

Speaker 1 59:38

None of you are questioning this at all. Is this the LL I got? A question Is this the LL and. Q-tip album. Is this the LL album that Q-Tip is producing? I think so.

Speaker 5 59:50

It's the same one, yeah.

Speaker 1 59:51

I think it's been working on his album for five years.

Speaker 5 59:53

It better be good he has been, and the first single drops tonight at midnight, so it drops at midnight.

Speaker 3 1:00:00

He been busy and he ain't had time to hem them jeans.

Speaker 1 1:00:05

It probably took a year to get in the jeans. That's probably what's been. Holding the album up is to do the fucking cover for the one song. The song been recorded. Getting in that outfit's a whole other story.

Speaker 5 1:00:17

Drop it tonight midnight.

Speaker 3 1:00:21

Ain't that a J-line? They can't hear my long jeans. Ain't that a?

Speaker 1 1:00:23

J-line. It's called Saturday Night Special Saturday.

Speaker 5 1:00:28

Night Special. What are?

Speaker 1 1:00:29

we doing? Featuring Fat Joe and Rick Ross.

Speaker 5 1:00:32

I don't want to hear Rick Ross and LL on the same joint. I'm sorry, I don't want to hear that.

Speaker 1 1:00:39

Who's doing the beat to this one?

Speaker 5 1:00:41

Maybach Music.

Speaker 1 1:00:44

This is Q-Tip yeah, with Rick Ross and Fat.

Speaker 3 1:00:47

Joe and LL. Rick Ross and Fat Joe are two of the best, have two of the best eras for beats period. Let's keep it real.

Speaker 5 1:00:54

They do. If this was Justice League, I don't, but then again do I want to hear Justice League and LL? I don't know, we don't know, I don't know what to expect. Fellas, I'm sorry, queens get the money, but I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 1:01:06

Listen, I'm just happy the OG's is outside. This is the. Og year.

Speaker 1 1:01:11

Queens already got the money. What is he doing?

Speaker 5 1:01:15

Lady Sue said she heard it. She said it straight.

Speaker 1 1:01:18

It better be good. How about this?

Speaker 5 1:01:22

I don't want to hear Rick Ross right now.

Speaker 1 1:01:24

Honestly, rick Ross might be sick you gotta get over hear Rick Ross right now.

Speaker 5 1:01:28

Honestly, Rick Ross would be sick. You got to get over this Rick Ross thing. Oh man, Rick Ross would be sick.

Speaker 3 1:01:33

On the real, though, I think for me, 2024 is everything hip hop. 50 years should have been, with all the OGs popping out with projects. You know what I mean, for better or for worse, I'd love to see it.

"Rakim" Gods Network Features

Speaker 5 1:01:46

Hold that thought, because I'm about to hit Koop across the head. Pause, because Rakim also have an album coming out, as we know, in July, and he also. I'm sorry, koop, he also dropped the feature list.

Speaker 3 1:02:01

But Koop had to go through.

Speaker 5 1:02:03

Koop waited for years.

Speaker 3 1:02:04

We gonna make Koop be honest today.

Speaker 5 1:02:08

Here's had to go through. What is that? For years, we gonna make kook be honest today. Here's the thing kook waited for several years for three stats to drop an album. It was a flute, and then he did the flute joint at um at a festival a couple weeks ago and it was off. It was. It sounded like trash. So I want to put the spotlight on Coop real quick because I think it's important for us to. I can't even do it right now, but I need to put the spotlight on Coop because I want Coop to tell us how he feels about this, this Rakim joint that's coming out with the track listing not the track listing, but the featured artist on this new album that's coming out. I'm sorry, Kool, I didn't want to do this, but AG said you got to share it Bro.

Speaker 3 1:02:55

I can't look like he's in the upper room.

Speaker 5 1:02:58

Come on, bro, Don't do that man.

Speaker 3 1:03:01

That's why it's called God's Network.

Speaker 1 1:03:03

No, for real. It's like you know what room that is. That's the room Professor X walks into before he channels and finds out where all the mutants are.

Speaker 3 1:03:10

What the fuck is going on.

Speaker 5 1:03:12

We're going to Cerebro. Yo, what is going on? You better get cancelled, man. You know, this ain't even cool.

Speaker 1 1:03:20

Yeah, we're going to talk about cancel culture in a minute too. Look here. I have defended this man, but I cannot defend this track list. This track list is nasty work, guys. It's too much.

Speaker 3 1:03:34

I'm going to ask you an honest question, because you did defend the 18th letter.

Speaker 1 1:03:40

Do you know how many features the 18th letter has? It has the same amount of features as all the previous projects before the 18th letter had. That's called man.

Speaker 3 1:03:47

Zero's, let's, let's just agree with you zero let's just agree with you and say that 18th letter is dope, right? Let's say it's dope but after that. But what is, what does the conversation look like? Because we have the master, after that then we have seven seal, and then we have this project which we haven't heard yet. So if this, if this project, you know, lord willing, hopefully, is dope, but if it's not, then what does that conversation look like for three straight joints, for a goat level MC, to kind of not be it?

Speaker 2 1:04:27

This question is for you Coop.

Speaker 1 1:04:28

I mean, first of all, that's not fair when Jay-Z's been getting away with it for a long time too.

Speaker 3 1:04:33

Three straight.

Speaker 1 1:04:35

Would you like the rundown? Yeah, what three?

Speaker 3 1:04:40

So let's see what were the last three projects he did 4-4-4, then Magna Carta, and Blueprint 3 was for Magna Carta and Blueprint 3 was for Magna Carta.

Speaker 1 1:04:49

I like Blueprint 3 okay, 2, and when did he do? When was that Kingdom Come shit, that was 06.

Speaker 3 1:05:06

So 3 of his last four joints have been whack right yeah, but wouldn't you take any of them joints over to master or seven seal?

Speaker 1 1:05:14

I actually like some joints on the seventh seal. You and I and uh and holy are you are some of his best stuff, but I probably still would I just hold on. I'm just trying to find where's this track listing that again, this is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 1:05:28

Because here's what a track list like this. The Rock M shit. You know what this does. It makes me ask myself how about this? This is a guy more than anybody else that's renowned for his solo missions. It's just hard for me to digest this. It's like, okay, how about this? Are Cool G rapping cannabis on a song together with him? Because that makes sense? Where does DMX fit into this? Where does Nipsey fit into this? Planet Asia I love Planet Asia. Do you think? Planet Asia and Rock M Styles mix.

Speaker 3 1:06:03

I think this has more features than the Ghost album, to be to be honest.

Speaker 1 1:06:06

It does Like a prodigy and Method man on a joint together. And I'm not being funny when I say this. Why are some of my favorite dead rappers on this album when they've been dead for a while? Why? What Prodigy verse did you get? Did you get a Prodigy verse from 1997? Did you get a Prodigy verse from 2009 Prodigy verse? Did you get? What Nipsey verse? Did you get a prodigy verse from 2009? Prodigy verse? Did you get? What nipsey verse did you get? What dmx verse did you get?

Speaker 1 1:06:32

Not all slain rappers? Verses are created equal, and so I'm worried about all the songs with slain rappers. Like the only thing that makes sense to me about that guest appearance list is it's like when I saw cool g rap and cannabis, I'm like, oh, so y'all going to do some bar work on a track together. Right, are you and G rap going to go back and forth? Oh, I'm with it If you and G rap is going back and forth. Like I'm with that when I hear you with plant, is method man doing the hook or you rapping with method man? And then and we have to ask these legitimate questions what does Rock M's bar work sound like after 15 years? Because the reality of the matter is I've heard one verse from you in the last five years.

Speaker 1 1:07:13

That was on Busted Rhymes ELE2. Now I thought that was verse of the year and I gave it verse of the year because it was the best verse that I had all year. That's one verse. This is an album. His bar work level is let the rhythm hit him, so understand that there are levels to this. He is still a top five mc all time in my humble estimation, and I don't want to see his legacy tarnished by a bunch of fucking features on an album. Who's doing the production?

Speaker 5 1:07:45

who's pulling all of this together. He's doing the production. It's all him. I don't like that. That scares me. That scares me.

Speaker 1 1:07:53

Let me get this real quick. Well, here's the thing, just real quick, and then get to the super chat. All right, how in touch is Rock M Mike? Let's go to this. Nas and Hit run this run work, this run work, because Hitboy's tapped in. He stays current. He was watching my black ass and I didn't know he was watching my black ass until I interviewed him. He's watching everything. Nas wasn't watching everything. Hitboy was. Who's watching everything for Rakim to make sure that he stays current and up-to-date? Yep, these old niggas is getting on my nerves today and I like all these guys. These are some of my favorite people. These are some of my favorite people.

Speaker 1 1:08:37

But we have to be honest. When I look at that track listing, I say this album has major death potential. He better execute it, better not be 17 songs with 25 people and he better have some solo work. I don't want to hear Rocky rap with other guys unless it's a Cool G rap, a Big Daddy Kane, a Nas, a KRS-One, a Black Thought. If the track listing, if the feature track listing read it said featuring Nas, black Thought, cool G rap, krs-one, big Daddy Kane, I'm in, I'm good with that.

Speaker 4 1:09:06

When it says this.

Speaker 1 1:09:08

I'm like. You've been recording this album for the past 10 years.

Speaker 3 1:09:12

I'm going to be real. I'm anticipating the LL more than this Rockham album, if I'm being honest.

Speaker 1 1:09:17

LL has Q-tip, you should be.

Speaker 5 1:09:20

Yeah, I am too. This might sound like a watered-down, I don't want to say it. Web this might sound like a watered-down, I don't want to say it, I don't want to say it. Web visibility I see your stupid chat. I'm going to get to you in a second because you have a great question I want to use as a transition. So hold tight please. He got a lot of Darkman on here and I love a lot of Darkman. Wu-tang Forever A lot of Darkman have one of the dopest debut albums he did. You know what I mean Love that joint, but I don't want to hear about a Darkman with Rakim on a Rakim album.

Speaker 1 1:09:53

I don't, I'm sorry, I want to hear the jizzle with Rakim. The jizzle with Rakim, yeah, that'd be crazy. That'd be crazy Like. That's. What I'm saying is like, how about this? If Like, how about this, if he were to do a record like and call a record Scientific Rhyming, like you know, when Nas does the unauthorized biography of Rock M and he goes Scientific Rhyming, like, let's say, you go get DJ Premier to take that sample and cut it up and you and Black Thought and GZA trade bars and do a song over a track called Scientific Rhyming, with primo doing the scratches, you feel what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 1:10:30

it's like make coop an a and r, tell them to get coop over that a and r this project real quick I should have been an a and r.

Speaker 1 1:10:38

I'm better than all these niggas. These niggas suck at their job. I should have been an a and r, like I can. I can walk into it. I I'm not joking. I can walk into a yo right now and put together some of these projects better than they're being put together, because I got the type of attitude and personality where I'm just like no, we're not doing that. Next, how about that? It's like oh, you don't want to tell these ladies? No, I will. No, the answer is no, no, you're not putting that out. We're not putting that out. We're not putting that out for mass consumption. Do you know who you are? You understand your reputation. My reputation is on the line. I'll be back tomorrow. I don't have to take this, find some other shit.

Speaker 5 1:11:14

You've got to play it like that. As much as we love Raw, raw should not be producing his own album. I'm sorry, not at this stage. Not at this stage.

Speaker 1 1:11:28

I'm sorry it's going to sound like think about this. If we're sitting up here complaining about Jake Cole doing his own production at this stage in his career, right, and Rakim precedes him by literally two decades with this lineup the Eminem era was a nasty era too, where he was doing all his own production it's gonna sound like a killer priest or a sons of men album.

Speaker 5 1:11:55

I don't want to hear no heavy metal from Rakim. I don't want to hear heavy metal no more. I'm sorry. I loved heavy metal in 98 for about maybe 6 months, about 2 months beats weren't there.

Speaker 1 1:12:05

No, I mean it's like should have called RZA maybe six months.

Speaker 5 1:12:07

About two months Beats right there.

Speaker 1 1:12:08

No, I mean, should have called RZA, that's all I had to say. Should have called RZA, fourth disciple and true master.

Speaker 5 1:12:16

Facts Mathematic.

Speaker 3 1:12:18

That's number three. I'm going to create this album.

Speaker 5 1:12:19

It's going to sound outdated. It's going to sound very outdated. It's going to sound maybe five to ten years, because I think Rob probably was working on this probably ten years prior to now Easy.

Speaker 3 1:12:33

Easy, okay, so let's address the elephant in the room If he has all these features.

Speaker 1 1:12:37

What are him and Nip going to talk about? Guys on a record together.

Speaker 3 1:12:40

Really, that's what I was alluding to. We was talking about the production. How much of Rakim's pen is in question with all these features? You know what I'm saying? Because that makes me raise an eyebrow, because we're talking about arguably the greatest lyricist ever you know what I mean, and it looks like he needs a lot of help to finish some of these songs, so he might have one verse on majority of the songs on his album, which is a problem.

Speaker 1 1:13:08

You want to know why it's not going to work? Because he's traditionally the type of MC that the more verses that he writes on the song, the better he gets lyrically Ramps up he ramps up Most of his songs. His third verse is usually the best verse.

Speaker 5 1:13:24

I was just about to say that the third verse is the whole run hit. That's what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:13:30

He's sharing that he's musically inclined. So because he's musically inclined, he writes it like a build-up.

Speaker 5 1:13:38

Right.

Speaker 3 1:13:40

Don't let him get it.

Speaker 5 1:13:42

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:13:43

Here's a hypothetical question. What if the album is full of the Watcher 2 level tracks? Where Rock him Now? Granted, there's no Jay-Z on the album, but let's just use that as a barometer, right? What if it has about 10 of those on the album? Then what would you have to say about that?

Speaker 5 1:14:02

How dated?

Speaker 3 1:14:05

It's not enough, it's not Like. How about this this?

Speaker 1 1:14:06

to me, is his level dated. It's not enough. It's not. How about this? This, to me, is his level. The Saga Begins was the last track that I heard from him where I'm like that can go on your greatest hits. That's his level. You don't want to see your idols operate on less than their best level. He is one of the few idols that we are used to seeing operate lyrically on the highest level when we hear them. Now, the master not that big a fan of I feel like the seventh seal is better than the master. I do think the 18th letter is dope. It's close. I don't think it's. I don't think it's great. I don't think it's some sort of brilliant manifesto. I think it's a really good album. I think what hurt that album also too, was production. He had Clark Kent, Primo and Pete Rock and he was still hurt by the production he did.

Speaker 1 1:15:02

It's a fine line. When you're talking these things, you're telling me he's produced an album. How old is Rakim?

Speaker 5 1:15:11

56.

Speaker 1 1:15:12

He's born in January of 68. 56. You trust a 56-year-old to produce a rap album who hasn't made a rap album in 15 years?

Speaker 5 1:15:23

I don't Not someone of his ilk no.

Speaker 3 1:15:26

I mean I like it that the OGs are back outside. But excuse me, but to that point you know how do y'all feel about and I've seen somebody put it in the chat how much Nas might have influenced that move.

Speaker 5 1:15:41

Don't go there yet. Oh, my fault. Good, I got you. I got you Because there's a super chat I want to get to on that. Let me get to Mad Max real quick, and we're going to hold that. Thought, though, mad Max and Chill Out. Rakim about to drop a classic Mad Max for Coop's sake? I hope so. Coop can't take another L this year. I mean, we got three stacks and now we got Raw. Coop can't afford to take another one. So I'm hoping for Coop.

Speaker 3 1:16:06

It might be. It'll probably be better than KRS's last effort. Whoa man.

Speaker 5 1:16:10

What's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 1:16:11

KRS's last effort was dope.

Speaker 3 1:16:14

Just messing with you man, yo let's.

Speaker 1 1:16:18

KRS's last effort was dope. I'm just messing with you.

Speaker 3 1:16:20

Coop.

Speaker 1 1:16:22

You know, all these guys were on tour like.

Speaker 3 1:16:24

I don't know, man, cool.

Common & Pete Rock - The Auditorium Vol 1.

Speaker 5 1:16:26

Let's redeem it man, because we have another OG dropping with Cool disgusting. We're going to redeem it cool. This has been a terrible show for me. We got Common and Pete Rock Right now I think fellas, they're three for three.

Speaker 2 1:16:45

These guys are cooking.

Speaker 5 1:16:48

Yeah, they're cooking. I love the promo run. I love their interview with everyone. I love how they're getting out here. I love how they're talking about the album, how they're talking about hip-hop you got common break dancing. You got a lot going on with this album coming out cy Cyphers.

Speaker 5 1:17:04

Freestyle Cyphers. Freestyle Cyphers. I love the energy around it. This is old school promotion. This is 1990s promotion that they're going through. They're going through an Italian press run. They're three for three. Common is spitting like crazy right now. The P-Rock beats are on point. This is the one I'm looking forward to. This is the one we're going to be talking about a lot, but it's a volume one, so that means more coming, so pause. So I want to ask you, Coop, does this pleases you? Does this one pleases you?

Speaker 1 1:17:40

Finally a reprieve from these old-ass niggas. This is the reprieve, yes.

Speaker 5 1:17:49

They're three for three.

Speaker 3 1:17:49

Three for three easily unfortunately that first one's not on the album, though right, it wasn't on the track list.

Speaker 1 1:17:57

I don't know, I haven't seen the track list.

Speaker 3 1:17:59

Yeah, that first one they put out. I forget the name of it. It's not on the. I don't think it made the album well, here's what I know.

Speaker 1 1:18:09

I know. I know Common rises to the occasion of the quality of producer that he's working with.

Speaker 5 1:18:16

No doubt.

Speaker 1 1:18:17

He always has. The better the production that you give him, the better he performs His best. Two albums lyrically, in my opinion, three have Dilla and Kanye all over them in their prime. No doubt Pete Rock is giving him a soundscape that fits perfectly for him. Like comment, of all the guys who are not from New York, he is the one that fits into a traditional New York MC mode over any other MC that's ever walked this planet. Pete has Calm in the bag right now. He does, but there are levels to this and there is a bar and that bar is called Nas and Hitboy, with the Magic 123 and KD one, two, three. So we're going to wait and see, but right now it looks like we finally found another OG MC producer combo that's actually going to give them maybe some sort of legitimate run for their money, and that's what I like.

Speaker 1 1:19:27

Hip hop is a competitive sport. I like the fact that when we heard the hit boy run, it was the best we had heard from nas in years. I I have similar sentiments about what I'm hearing from common right now. It's like oh no, that's the guy from b, that's the guy from. Like water for chocolate, that's the guy from finding forever. That's the guy from one day it'll all make sense. Oh, that guy's coming out to play. That guy's a top 10 to 15 mc all time somewhere between 10 to 15. Easy, that guy like that guy when he comes outside is part of the reason why I'd be like whoa, slow down with that kendrick top 10 talk. Slow down with that talk because I don't know if he can rap better than that guy. And guess what? He doesn't have a better catalog than that guy. Very few people have a better catalog than Common.

Speaker 5 1:20:14

That's true, so he's in his bag right now.

Speaker 1 1:20:18

This is actually what I hear. I hear a legit contender for album of the year when I heard those three tracks. That's what I really hear. I hear album of the year when I heard those three tracks. That's what I really hear. I hear album of the year contender and I don't just throw that around Like if the album sounds like those three tracks, it's going to be album of the year when it drops. That's how I feel and that's saying a lot, because there are a lot of good to great projects this year. Ag, you alluded to some of them. We got Master Ace album. We got Schoolboy's album. We got Rhapsody album. We got the Dog Pound album. We got both albums that Hit-Boy produced, the one with Big Hit and Al the one with Big Hit and Game. Have you heard the Mock? Homie the Mock.

Speaker 3 1:21:08

Homie the Mock.

Speaker 1 1:21:08

Homie, it's crazy that shit is bananas the Rock the Rock, marcy the Rock.

Speaker 5 1:21:15

Marcy is crazy.

Speaker 1 1:21:16

The Rock Marcy is crazy.

Speaker 5 1:21:18

The Dog Pound.

Speaker 1 1:21:20

The Dog Pound is crazy. Vince Staples have you heard Vince Staples' album? Yeah, that might be Vince Staples' best. Yeah, that might be Vince Staples best album. It's up there. What I'm saying is we're having a year right now where it's like, oh no, the top 10 contenders is all contenders. Where's the separation moment? Who's going to separate themselves from the pack and be like, uh, nope, bar setter, because we still have it. For as great as I love, as much as I love all these albums that I just mentioned, I don't feel like any of those albums has separated themselves from the other albums in their group no, it's bunched up right now yeah, it's bunched up.

Speaker 1 1:22:03

Who's going to separate themselves? When I hear the calm and pr I I'm like, oh, I hear a little separation. Yeah, so it's all about if the separation is going to be consistently through the 15 track album. It's a 15 track album, right? Yeah, I was listening to that mock today and I was like damn, I was like this might be album of the year. But then I listen to the dog and I'm like oh, no, that might be album of the year. And then I listen to the raps. I'm like no, no, no, that's album of the year. Then I listen to the mass face, I'm like no, no, no, that's album of the year. That's not genuinely how album of the year is built. But I say all this to say I really don't care. J Cole, better drop album of the year. Like I've been saying for the last two years, I'm not going to let you walk away. I'm not going to let you walk away from this year. You better make the album of the year this year.

Speaker 3 1:22:50

He stepped on his own release because let's keep it above, my Delete Later was dope. He just put out a video for Trade of Truth and Ibiza he just put that out the other day.

Speaker 1 1:23:01

No, my Delete Later is a top 10 rap album this year too. You're right, I'm good.

Speaker 3 1:23:07

But he took, you know, he stepped on his own release.

Speaker 1 1:23:11

It don't hit the same. It's not good enough, though, because you want to know what it is. It's bunched in with all these other albums. I'm not interested. I don't want to hear that shit.

Speaker 5 1:23:18

Yeah, I don't care. I want to hear the album of the year. And he did Grippy.

Speaker 1 1:23:29

I'm good. Haven't y'all done enough to me today? Y'all got LL and fucking 1974 bell bottoms. Rock M has 92 features for 12 songs. This is ridiculous. Styles P is making a 50 track trilogy like he's Prince or something. This shit is ridiculous out here. Triple album the song.

Speaker 3 1:23:45

It just hit me um trying is the name of the something. This shit is ridiculous out here. Triple album Wow, the song it just hit me Trying is the name of the first joint they released. It didn't make the final track list. It's not on there.

Speaker 1 1:23:57

When a song like that doesn't make the final track list, people are in trouble.

Speaker 5 1:24:02

That's telling you what they got.

Speaker 3 1:24:04

Like you said, Sean, I just like the rollout of the album it's not like the Killer Mike rollout where he's every turn saying it's the album of the year. They just pulling up and giving a straight hip hop. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 1:24:16

it's a dope rollout when you have album of the year, you never have to say you have album of the year. When you have album of the year, Michael.

Speaker 1 1:24:24

Jordan never said that he was the greatest basketball player who ever lived. There's no footage of him saying that. Now he'll tell you. He's like I won three in a row. Magic and Larry didn't win three in a row. He'll tell you that shit. You know what I'm saying? Here's something to think about. They never won three in a row. I won three in a row. He never walked out and said I'm the greatest player who ever lived.

Speaker 1 1:24:50

He never said that when you got it, you got it and you know you got it. Did you ever hear during this Hit-Boy and Nas run, did you ever hear either one of them say, oh, we just made album of the year again? Did you ever hear either one of them say it? Oh, but they knew it was going on, they knew.

Speaker 5 1:25:13

When you know you don't got to say it. Yo McKillop might did that jig dance on the stage in the Grammys. I was disgusted. Sorry, coop. Shout out to Orlando. You just can't win today.

Speaker 1 1:25:23

You can't win today.

Speaker 5 1:25:24

I'm sorry, let me get this super chat because this is a great transition. Super chat Yo, I'm sorry, web visibility I heard onto your super chat but I really wanted to get this as a transition. Web visibility with a $10 super chat said you think Nas aspire, all the OGs, to start putting more content out. I think you have to appreciate how Nas has avoided looking corny like these other old heads. Perfect transition. Because I have a question for both of you guys. I honestly feel when Nas said on the Magic 3 joint he want his peers to feel this way as well and get in the studio and get back active, I think that was a call to arms, because this is the first time in a long time, probably ever, that we've seen all the OGs really coming out back to back.

Speaker 5 1:26:18

Everyone is putting something out and not only that, they're using the formula. You got Common and Pete Rock MC producer. That's the old formula. You got Common and Pete Rock MC producer right, that's the old formula. You got LL and Q-Tip that's the old formula. You got Dre and Snoop old formula. You got the MC and producer Sounds like it's a Nas and Hip Boy thing.

Speaker 5 1:26:41

Then you also got the volumes volume one, volume two, volume three or whatever the case may be. So everybody is coming out with that formula that something just dropped with hit boy. I don't think we're going to appreciate the knives and hit boy run until a couple more years when we look back at it and say, yo, they probably reset a different trend when it's back to the MC and the producer, because you guys remember there was a whole thing where it was MC and the super producers. You had one MC and you had a collective of mad producers out there that just produce a one album. So the album sound was all. It wasn't cohesive sometimes, right.

Speaker 5 1:27:27

But now you had Nas and Hit-A-Boy locking in the studio and you have a succinct album. And I think we're going to get that same thing with Pete Rock in common because you got Pete Rock. It's like having fried fish and tartar sauce or, you know you, having peanut butter and jelly. It just makes sense. How do you guys feel about that? Do you think Nas called the arms to the OGs to come out again?

Speaker 1 1:27:55

I feel like there hasn't been this many old niggas in one place since the Million man March. Shout out to Farrakhan. I haven't seen this many old niggas in one place in a long time.

Speaker 3 1:28:07

On a more serious note, the line that you speak about, sean, that's on 1-800-NASA Hit. He said I called my counterparts, told them they gotta try this shit, you know. So I do think it was a call To arms and for me, like I said, all the OG's coming out I think this year in 2024 is everything that last year Hip Hop 50 Should have been now with out. I think this year in 2024 is everything that last year Hip Hop 50 should have been Now with. That said, I think what is going to be the final verdict is going to show that it's levels to it. Right, nas is making a call to arms with all his counterparts, but he's going to show how far separate he is from the pack to make six joints that are all solid, not even solid, all super dope albums.

Speaker 3 1:28:54

And you know, when people in your, in your class, you know what I mean Come out and they can't duplicate that, then it's really going to show really the level of greatness that he was operating at when he did that. You know, like the LeBron quote, not one, not two, not three, not four, but six times. You know what I mean At a higher age and a high clip. You know what I mean Around 50. So you know we we're going to see, you know, how this all pans out. I'm glad that they're outside but, like I said, it's going to really like like how this all pans out. I'm glad that they're outside but, like I said, it's going to like to your point, sean, I think we're going to look back on the hip boy run with Nas and appreciate it even more when not saying that all the OGs are going to have a swing and a miss, but if a lot of them don't connect, then that just makes the Nas album run even that much more greater, in my opinion. Agreed.

Speaker 1 1:29:53

I mean, not everybody's going to succeed in this mission. No, and so you know, although it may seem like I'm joking and I'm saying a lot of things in jest, on a very, very serious note, most of these albums are not going to be what we expect. In reference to who the artist is, nas and Hit have set an extremely high bar. Like it's going to be hard. Like it's going to be hard, like, like I told, like this is the. This is the latest greatest run that we've ever seen from a hip hop artist, maybe an artist in music history. I can't think of one artist in the history of music that, from ages 47 to 50.

Speaker 1 1:30:46

Made some of their best material facts michael jackson didn't do it. Prince didn't do it. The beatles didn't do it. The rolling stones didn't do it. Tom petty didn't do it. Bruce springsteen didn't do it. Bob dylan didn't do it. Joni mitchell didn't do it.

Speaker 1 1:31:01

Like we, we can. We can run down all facets of music. Mary j blige ain't't do it. Erykah Badu ain't do it. Jodeci TLC. Like R Kelly, nasty ass bastard, he ain't do it. Usher ain't made a dope ass album in a long time. Neither is Chris Brown.

Has Nas influenced the OGs to come back out?

Speaker 1 1:31:17

You think it ain't even close to 50. Well, usher, getting closer to 50. You're right, you're right. You know what I'm saying. And so we really need to. And people have to understand something. They're like oh, coop, you're just a Nas fan. It's like, no, like I might be a fan, but you understand like, I'm a journalist. First, the journalist inside of me is like hold on, we need to be quality records like the Rock M album is going to have some quality joints on it. It's Rock M. The whole album ain't going to be like, oh, throw that away, it's Rock M. There's going to be some good records on there. But the bar is different. Because of the bar work in the production of the Magic in the KD series, it's like oh, no, good isn't good enough anymore if you're old, because he just showed that you could be great and so now, if your shit's just good, I hope you're ready for the critique that comes with it. Absolutely Like.

Speaker 1 1:32:21

Do I think LL and Q-Tip Queens get the money squared? Do I think they're going to have some joints? Q-tip Queens Get the Money Squared? Do I think they're going to have some joints? Q-tip's one of the best. Q-tip in the early 90s is the only producer who's really rivaling Dr Dre in terms of quality album material. Do I think LL Cool J is probably our best hit maker in a vacuum ever? So do I think they're about to have some joints? Of course I do. But then the question becomes was it going to sound like KD2 or Magic or KD3? Probably not. Is that Rock M album about to sound like KD1? Maybe, probably not. And from what I'm seeing and from what I'm reading and from what I'm hearing, the only people that even are making a legitimate shot to make a run at this are calm and PR, and the reality of the matter is is is that? Well, you niggas do know one album ain't going to do it. And, and guess what? Neither is two or three or four.

Speaker 1 1:33:30

You niggas going to keep your win like that? You going to keep your win like that and keep running. Let's be realistic. I think we need to appreciate the place and the space where Nas and Hit going on this run has activated people. To attempt Activation doesn't mean you're going to meet expectations. That's a fact.

Speaker 3 1:33:55

To your point, coop, just keeping it funky. That's why we got to keep some level of optimism to see if they can pull this off. Let's be real, I know. For me, when I saw the kd1 track list you know what I mean and then hip boy producing the whole thing, I was a little bit skeptical. I didn't know how it was going to turn out. I didn't say it's going to be like bad, but looking at the features and knowing the hip boy was behind the boards, I didn't know what to expect. So you know, with that same optimism, I noticed rock him track list. Look crazy, I mean the feature list. But we have to operate on some level of optimism, you know. Going in, I mean we might be disappointed, but I'm just saying, you know, keep hope alive, as jesse jackson would say I, I hear.

Speaker 1 1:34:44

I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying. Jesse jackson can never put black people together like Farrakhan could.

Speaker 5 1:34:50

All right, Never did that. That is wild. Listen here.

Speaker 1 1:34:55

Show my age today, bro. I understand what you're saying, ag, but I think what I'm trying to say is that you're right. Like when I saw the track list for KD1 and it was like I was looking like produced by Hit-Boy, I was like all the records produced by Hit-Boy, I'm like I was looking like this. I was like, yeah, I was worried. I was like, oh shit, I'm like what the fuck is Godson on? I was like I like Hit. I was like like hit. I was like hits dope. I was like hit, I'll tell hit to his face.

Speaker 1 1:35:31

It's like, oh, I didn't think he was dope enough to do a whole nice project by yourself until you did it times over until you did it but what people forget is is that we didn't start talking about what hit did until he did it twice. Yeah, it wasn't until Katie too came out that it was like oh, oh shit, they on to something Right. Like oh no, this special, oh, hold on we. And then magic came out three months later and we were like oh, nba, nba jam, he's on fire, here we go.

Speaker 1 1:36:04

Yeah, nba Jam. So understand that we didn't really take notice the way that we should until joint number two and we didn't realize what was really going down until joint number three. And so, respectfully, all you niggas going to have to do better. Period, end of discussion. Yes, you niggas going to have to do better. Period, end of discussion. We're not handing out fucking icon awards and trophies around here and shit. What did it sound like the day since you stepped outside? Did you come outside to play? You came outside to play. This is the bar, this is the barometer. And if your shit's just okay, I'm going to tell you your shit's just okay, I don't care who you. And if your shit's just okay, I'm going to tell you your shit's just okay, I don't care who you are. If it's just okay, I'm going to tell you it's just okay, j Cole better make album of the year. I'm going to say that again. I want people to hear me clearly when I say this.

Speaker 5 1:36:56

He's not cool.

Speaker 3 1:36:58

And I'm still cooking up with Primo. So if that one gets knocked out of the park, that's a run of seven in a row. Not all with Hip Boy, but seven dope joints in a row is crazy.

Speaker 1 1:37:08

Now riddle me this why would you drop a Nas and Primo joint in the year that you're celebrating the 30th year anniversary of Illmatic and you're literally touring the globe celebrating what might be rap's greatest album of all time? Is it feasible that that album's happening this year is what I'm asking you.

Speaker 3 1:37:27

I think it is.

Speaker 1 1:37:28

Have you seen the tour dates?

Speaker 3 1:37:31

Because he did the same thing around all the Hit-Boy releases. So I don't think that's nothing for Nas really.

Speaker 5 1:37:38

But understand Primo is different.

Speaker 1 1:37:42

Thank you, sean, it's different.

Speaker 5 1:37:44

Primo is different bro.

Speaker 3 1:37:45

Yeah, primo has the lock-in. He doesn't work at the high-paced fast clip that Hip-Boy does, so you know it depends on how long and the expectation is different Expectations are different, you can't play right.

Speaker 3 1:38:01

Yeah, it just depends on the timeline, because let's just hypothetically say, magic 3 was last year in September. So if they got to work shortly thereafter, defy my Name Time Flies. That came out April. So that was already, you know, over two months ago when Defy my Name came out. So it depends on how much work they got in the studio already up to this point, depends on how much work.

Speaker 1 1:38:26

they got in the studio already up to this point, no, but what I'm trying to say is I don't care what they work or how they work or when they work. Even he has a bar now. Oh yeah, absolutely A Primo album, a Nas and Primo album. It's like it. Better be that. It better be better than at least three of the albums that Nas and Hit did together.

Speaker 5 1:38:48

At least At the very least.

Speaker 1 1:38:50

That's the buy-in. That's like that's to sit down at the table and play cards. It's like what's your buy-in.

Speaker 3 1:38:57

It needs to be better than three of the six To the old head, dusty niggas at least, because you know they the ones that was saying the whole time that he was putting out the joints with Hip Boy. Like yo, I'd rather him do the joint with Primo. Alright, now that time has come.

Speaker 1 1:39:08

So we gonna see what it is. Those old niggas don't know shit.

Speaker 5 1:39:12

No trapping the 90s. They don't know shit. Yeah, they trapped, they stuck. Let's get to Super Chat real quick. Yo appreciate you Will for sending out a Super Chat. Do you think Nas aspired all the OGs to star?

Speaker 3 1:39:25

I'm sorry, that's the same one you had already read.

Speaker 5 1:39:29

Do you guys think Nas and Premier would drop before the end of the year and do you think there would be a New York State of Mind 3 on the album? It all makes sense. It all makes sense, but, like Coop said, what's the rush at this point? So here's the level up.

Speaker 1 1:39:44

If he's going to do a New York State of Mind part three like he's going to have to touch on topics that are just like he's going to have to maybe get too personal.

Speaker 3 1:39:54

I say leave that alone.

Speaker 1 1:39:57

Like in order for New York State of Mind to hit, he would have to discuss the inner workings of the J beef. He would have to discuss his mother's passing. He would have to talk about fallout with members of his inner circle, like it would have to be next level for him to even attempt that.

Speaker 5 1:40:11

It's a lot.

Speaker 1 1:40:12

And those are things he already spoke on. He has, but you know he has. He has a way of reweaving, he has a way of re stitching stuff. He has a way of re stitching stuff to give you the full, full picture of it, the very, to give you the full, full picture of it that very few people have listened to.

Speaker 3 1:40:26

If you listen to, you know each song samples the previous. If you listen, this is a vibe. If you listen to, it Ain't Hard to Tell. Nas Is Light and Define my Name in like a little playlist in a row in succession crazy. You know he's tweaking the same concept. You know just a little bit differently, and each song samples the previous song. And it's masterful, it's dope. If you haven't done it, listen to those three songs back to back to back.

Speaker 1 1:40:56

I mean not to be funny. A lot of people don't know this. He tells the same crime story multiple times. He just gives you different settings and locations, like a good writer Different vantage points.

Speaker 1 1:41:09

Like Get Down and the setup aren't that much different stylistically, writing-wise, I roll with some crips to a Crenshaw funeral. You get what I'm saying. He's switching coasts, but the writing hand and how he's breaking it down, there's a setup that literally happens on get down. You get what I'm saying. It's like no, you got a whole record where you're expressing like the setup, like that's one of his central theme points as a writer, but he knows how to express it from all the angles, like a great writer does.

Speaker 5 1:41:42

Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. So I'm looking forward to all of it, you know, again hoping that Nas and Preem can lock in the right way and give the people what they want. I'm looking forward to it. I'm glad we were able to talk about this new music coming out, because we're going to review all of this stuff that's coming out in the next couple of weeks, next couple of months. And who's going to have to do it too? He's going to have to review Rakim Alvin. When it comes out, it's going to have to review.

Speaker 1 1:42:06

Rakim album when it comes out he's going to have to. I'm not looking forward to it. Let me ask you all something. I'm not looking forward to it. I don't want to review that. What is that? The first single got Masked to Kill and Corrupt and so it's like so are we doing quote unquote bar seminars on every Rakim record. Are you getting together all the bar seminar guys and like it's a? It's a bar seminar? Because it's like I don't go to a rock him album for that right. I go to rock him to hear to god right, right, two to three, verses three.

Speaker 1 1:42:37

Three is at least two if, if you telling me that most of these records are going to have two rock him verses and somebody's either going to lead off or finish off, I can maybe tolerate that.

Speaker 5 1:42:48

Right.

Speaker 1 1:42:50

But here's my question to you, to both of you, and I want to know what y'all really really think of this. What if the Nas and Preem album doesn't meet expectations? What does that do to Preem's legacy? Because I think Nas' legacy is secure because of the Hit-Boy run and even because of how he sounds on the shit that we do hear from him without Hit. Do you think Preem's legacy potentially stands to take a hit for not making something on par with Hit-Boy? Because nobody's really willing to have that conversation. It's like, oh no, his ass on the line too, like everybody else's, is right, he ain't no different. Preem, don't get no hall pass. I know you made 10 crack commandments. You made it 27 years ago. So we're not handing him out any hall passes either, are we? So his shit better be fire, right?

Speaker 3 1:43:43

depends on what bar we're talking about. Or we're talking about the realistic bar that you said, which would be at least has to be better than probably half of the Nas and Hitboy albums, better than about three of them. That's a realistic bar, but it's a lot of people out there thinking that they're going to get the second Illmatic. That's the bar.

Speaker 1 1:44:02

Who's sniffing that cocaine there's?

Speaker 3 1:44:04

a lot of people out there bro.

Speaker 1 1:44:06

There's a lot of drugs going on in America. There's a lot of drugs going on in America. No that's not realistic. But what I'm saying? How about this? What if? Okay, what if the first Nas and Primo joint isn't better than King's Disease 1? What should we in hip-hop media say?

Speaker 3 1:44:29

I would be happy with that, because I think king's disease one is dope.

Speaker 1 1:44:33

Where do you rank king's disease one in the series of the six albums? If it's fifth and they don't make an album, that that's. That's that good. That means they don't even make an album. Truly, that actually registers on what Hit-Boy and Nas did. What the fuck are they doing making an album together? He could have just made another album with Hit if that's the case.

Speaker 3 1:44:55

So okay, like I think, king's Disease 1 is a four-mic album, so you think it's four and a half mics, or bus, is that what you're saying?

Speaker 1 1:45:05

It's Nas and DJ Premier AG. You tell me what you think. Isn't that? Hold on, hold, on, hold on. How many four and a half mic albums do they have separately? A lot, a lot, yeah. So shouldn't that be the bar? Like, doesn't Prem have moment of truth? Like, how about this? He made a group home album of Four and a Half.

Speaker 3 1:45:29

Yeah, yeah, but.

Speaker 2 1:45:32

I'm not worried about.

Speaker 3 1:45:35

Nas reaching that bar. I'm more worried about Premo reaching that bar.

Speaker 1 1:45:38

Like, is it I mean? Correct me if I'm wrong. Premo has taken a lot of albums from classic East Coast artists and literally with the tracker two or three, taking those albums from four to four and a half. Is he not that guy?

Speaker 3 1:45:53

yeah, I think it's doable. I consider the first prime album four and a half not the second one I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't.

Speaker 1 1:46:01

I'm a royce fan, though, so you know that's a, that's a four to me.

Speaker 5 1:46:06

Solid four.

Speaker 1 1:46:07

Hold on, you think Prime's four and a half.

Speaker 3 1:46:10

The first one, not the second one? How?

Speaker 1 1:46:13

No, I get what you're saying. How?

Speaker 5 1:46:14

I got a three and a half to a four.

Speaker 3 1:46:16

Oh, a three and a half.

Speaker 5 1:46:17

Three and a half to a four.

Speaker 3 1:46:19

That's me being generous. Even the deluxe version can't get no love Like extra half of mike that's crazy.

Speaker 1 1:46:26

Four and then three and a half. One is a four, two is a three and a half.

Speaker 5 1:46:29

Yeah maybe even a three. I want to hear range yeah all this, like that. I need to hear range like, but think about it well, nas has more range than royce.

Speaker 1 1:46:38

Anyway, you know, I'm saying, if we're talking about the mc, yeah I mean nas has more range than like 95 percent of the rappers who have lived so right. But that.

Speaker 3 1:46:46

That's what I'm saying. If he can give Royce, even if you're saying it's a four and not a four and a half, if Primo can give Royce a four, then I'm not too worried about what he can give Nas. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 1:46:59

AG respectfully. When did Prime come out? My G what?

Speaker 3 1:47:03

was that? Was that 2017?

Speaker 1 1:47:08

Eight. What was that?

Speaker 3 1:47:10

27, 16, 17?.

Speaker 1 1:47:11

Eight years ago, yeah.

Speaker 5 1:47:12

Yeah, like I said, point proven, that's.

Speaker 3 1:47:14

Madoan.

Speaker 5 1:47:16

Let's get off of that one, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 1:47:17

That's more an indictment on Primo than it is on Nas, is all I'm saying.

Speaker 1 1:47:22

Let's move on.

Speaker 3 1:47:22

I don't care.

Speaker 1 1:47:23

Look, look here, I don't care. Look, look here, I don't care. Who getting indicted? Y'all co -defendants now.

Speaker 3 1:47:27

So you both about to catch this charge as long as it don't have 30 features like this Rock Hill joint man, let's get off of that man.

Speaker 5 1:47:37

Shout out to all the OGs coming out with songs, albums. I'm not going to catch the Rico if this album ain't good. Memphis Bleak got a joint coming out with Just Blaze Do Rag who. Memphis Bleak, bleak, the goat Bleak is back.

Speaker 1 1:47:57

Mute AG's mic for 30 seconds, like there's gotta be there's gotta be some sort of sanction for this type of behavior.

Speaker 5 1:48:04

It's gotta be mute and cancel Nah.

Speaker 3 1:48:08

I rock with Bleak man. I'm one of the only people that defend Bleak's music man, of course.

Speaker 1 1:48:13

Bleak Lowkey has made some really dope records he has Back in 99.

Speaker 2 1:48:16

He even joined us without a J on him.

Will Smith Return Bad Boys Box Office Success

Speaker 5 1:48:18

Yeah, 99-2000., yeah, 99-2000. Well, he should stay. Let's get into cancel culture man. Let's wrap the show up, our last leg of the show. Let's get into some cancel culture talk. It's culture period. I want to start with Will Smith, because the Bad Boys movie just came out. Big success, big success, massive success. Actually, they already recouped what they made in this movie and they're talking about making another one, uh, to follow this one up. Um, I believe the movie made 104 million, you know, over its run first weekend.

Speaker 1 1:48:57

crazy, look easy in a time, in a time where tubi and Hulu and Netflix and YouTube, tv and YouTube exist, you made $100 million. That's like reverse inflation. It's like that would have been $500 million back in the old movie days, when movies were actually big. I didn't even know movie theaters were still open until this movie came out. Did you know that? Did you know movie theaters still existed? I didn't know, until this movie came out. No, you're right, the movie industry is. This movie came out. Did you know?

Speaker 5 1:49:27

that? Did you know movie theaters still existed? I didn't know until this movie came out. You're right. The movie industry is suffering right now. Movies are suffering right now.

Speaker 3 1:49:33

If it's not like a Marvel blockbuster or something like that, it's not doing numbers.

Speaker 5 1:49:38

Not doing numbers. Is this an example of the bounce back from someone? As long as you make a hit, you're coming back. Now this is a hit, literally right. Literally right. You know, punk-ass Stephen A made a comment saying oh, he needs to sit down with the Black community. Stephen A, you need to sit down with the Black community. What do?

Speaker 1 1:50:00

you mean, I've been hearing that Stephen A said something that had the community in a little ire. What did?

Speaker 5 1:50:07

he say. He says he said we'll still need to sit down with the black community and discuss this.

Speaker 1 1:50:12

Slap on on Chris Rock, but you know look look here, look here, and I mean this would all do respect to Chris Rock, who, quite frankly, might be the best stand-up show that I've ever seen live. And I've seen Dave Chappelle live and I thought Chris Rock actually gave a better live show than Chris Rock. Because I mean, I thought Chris Rock gave a better live show than Dave Chappelle because he's more organized and diligent about his craft than Dave is. Yeah, when Will Smith slaps the shit out of you, even if you're Chris Rock, you're the guy who got the shit slapped out of you by Will Smith.

Speaker 1 1:50:43

I hate to be the one to break it to everybody. It's like you hear Will Smith slap the shit out of somebody, it's like who's the other guy? Chris Rock? It's like, yeah, but the main guy's still Will Smith. You understand, you're still a secondary character, you're a supporting actor in this role, you're not the star in this role. When Will Smith slaps the shit out of you, just so we're clear, you know Chris Rock got the shit slapped at him. The talk was Will Smith slapped the shit out of somebody.

Speaker 3 1:51:17

Best slap in a leading role goes to I never looked at it from that perspective, but you're right.

Speaker 1 1:51:25

Look here this is the godfather. Will Smith is Marlon Brando. The rest of you niggas is Robert Duvall. James Caan Sit your ass down somewhere. You're getting a supporting actor nomination. You should be happy. He slapped the shit out of you. Take the supporting acting nod. You're not winning best actor. You're not the lead in this role. You're not big enough.

Speaker 5 1:51:50

Yo, he got to slap, you got to snap, you got to snap. But you know what? It's time for everyone to move on. Stephen A Smith is the last person in any genre to say this. He's the last. This guy, he's another I don't like. I think it's Rick Ross, stephen A Smith and Killer Mike, and there's a couple more out there. But Stephen A Smith, killer Mike and there's a couple more out there, but Stephen A Smith might be number one for me. He might be number one for me. Someone need to slap Stephen A Smith Real talk.

Gunna gets love in Atlanta

Speaker 5 1:52:21

Because he said, oh, he need to sit down with the black community before he get back. Like, nah, you need to sit down with the black community. You're the one who's been saying some wild stuff for years and now you want to act like you're this righteous guy and you're not. Stephen A Smith is the worst. So again, cancel. Culture is not real. This is an actual example of that. And I want to go over to Coop's hometown, atlanta, because Atlanta also put this banner out there for Gunna. Welcome back to Atlanta, gunna. And we were just canceling it. Not we, but social media just canceled Gunna. What a couple months ago.

Speaker 1 1:53:04

And now, look at these banners now they're showing him love in Atlanta, so so when Taj sent me the pics like she sent me, and you the pics, sean, it's like I just went, like you know, I went and did my little dig. I went and texted a couple of people, asked a couple of questions and here's what I realized it's a bunch of punk ass kids on social media doing all the canceling, whose faces we never see Right. I'll say it again Fuck these kids.

Speaker 5 1:53:36

Here we go again. That's your man.

Speaker 1 1:53:40

That's your man, these punk ass kids keep trying to dictate the pace. But you know what we're finding out from Will Smith and from Gunna these punk ass kids don't go outside, they just be online clicking and clacking. That's it. It's not real, it's not real, it's an illusion. It's fucking. David Blaine, David Copperfield.

Speaker 5 1:54:08

Yes.

Speaker 1 1:54:09

David Kim, engineering for Nas and making magic happen.

Speaker 5 1:54:13

Yes, bullshit, it's crazy, it magic happen. Yes, bullshit it's crazy.

Speaker 1 1:54:18

It's not real.

Speaker 5 1:54:19

It's not real.

Speaker 1 1:54:22

Diddy getting cancelled is different. He's been running a prostitution ring of boys and girls for a long time, apparently.

Speaker 5 1:54:28

That's a different thing. It's different. You're trafficking out here. That's different. You're trafficking out here. That's different. Go ahead. I want to ask AG, because now we see that Gunna is getting love. Young Thug's father took a picture with Gunna. We're keeping it a theme.

Speaker 1 1:54:49

He was talking shit on social media about Gunna this time last year.

Speaker 5 1:54:52

Right Now you're hugging him taking pictures with them and you at the.

Speaker 1 1:54:56

UConn. Hey, you want to know why, though? That's because there's niggas that's getting on the stand and really snitching for public record on his son right now. There's actually niggas that's really like actively live snitching right now, as in I ain't going to say nothing. They like yeah, we're about to give you 20. What had happened was Go ahead, ag. I didn't mean to cut you off.

Speaker 5 1:55:21

I have a different one for AG, because this is something that AG talked about about a month ago.

Joe Budden & Larry Jackson Interview

Speaker 5 1:55:28

This is based off the Joe Budden interview with the CEO of Gamma, larry Jackson, which to me was a phenomenal, phenomenal interview. Larry Jackson is a very, very intelligent brother and I enjoyed this interview, just based off the jewels he was dropping and AG told me about a month ago. He said when all this settled, drake is still going to be Drake, and Larry Jackson actually made some comments. He made a comment that said Drake is selling more than the artists from the 70s and the 80s I think he said 60s, 70s and the 80s and even right now, as you can see, he's still one of the top selling artists, even after losing this battle. But if you look at social media and you look at other outlets, they make it seem as if not only is he canceled, but he can't come back from this AG. After watching that interview, what do you think about all of this? Because now it sounds like Drake may be owning some of these artists that we hold dear to us as well?

Speaker 3 1:56:42

Okay, so I'm going to pivot a little bit because unfortunately I didn't get to tap into that whole interview. I only saw maybe like 15, 20 minutes of it. But I'm going to just speak to real live experience. Right, I do intend on tapping into that interview because I'm hearing great things about it.

Speaker 3 1:56:57

Um, this, uh, two days ago, I was in your uh, former stomping ground coop. I was in, uh, charlotte, you know, uh, me and my son, we went down there for a bryson tiller concert, right. So, um, we was down at the amphitheater. So, just being outside in Charlotte, you know, we heard, you know a couple of songs, dj warming up the crowd. It was some you know spots we was, we was at and my son, he had a dope idea.

Speaker 3 1:57:25

We heard a couple of Drake songs, like you know, I'm saying, probably like five minutes after, hopping out of the whip, right, he was like like let's keep track of how many songs we hear, you know, get played from drake, how many songs we get here played from kendrick, how many songs get played for the hometown guy, you know, j cole being from north carolina, and when I tell you we kept count, I think the boy drake's to be okay, like for real, because we counted 14 Drake songs being played outside prior to that concert.

Drake still selling

Speaker 3 1:58:00

Now, granted, it was an R and B crowd. You know what I mean. To see Bryce and tell it. But you know the DJ was dropping the beat out letting the ladies sing along, you know, to the Drake records, word for word, they was like vibing 14 Drake records. At one point I was like damn, is this a Drake concert? It was like crazy. And then I heard two Kendrick joints and you know it was a state ordinance that they play a little bit of J Cole, so it was like four J Cole joints that got played that night.

Speaker 1 1:58:32

Did you say state ordinance, state ordinance First of got they got played that night? Did you say state ordinance, state order first of all?

Speaker 3 1:58:36

I was in charlotte too oh for real that's what's up yeah, I would have pulled up on you if I know you was there it's okay, I had to handle some family biz I got you.

Speaker 3 1:58:45

I got you. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, but yeah, but it was. Yeah, the concert was dope. But just just being outside, man, I mean Drake, was in full rotation. You know everybody was vibing to the music. So, with all that said, he took a L, but it looks like he's going to be all right to me, just from what I saw being outside in Charlotte.

Speaker 1 1:59:06

Let's not confuse a couple of things. Did Kendrick win this battle? Yes, light skinned niggas haven't been hurt this bad since, I'll be sure, disappeared.

Speaker 3 1:59:20

It's bad, that's two light skinned jokes in the same episode.

Speaker 1 1:59:25

That's wild, it's bad, but seriously, seriously, people need to understand something. Not like us is the best song, but, seriously, people need to understand something.

Speaker 3 1:59:40

Not Like Us is the best song Kendrick has made in about seven fucking years. Damn Cool.

Speaker 1 1:59:47

Might be one of his best songs period, just as much as it rings off. As far as hit-making ability, this is one of his five biggest hits absolutely thanks so understand what Kendrick just did hit making wise Drake has literally been doing for 15 years, guys, and so respectfully you have to be careful about the lens through which you look at things.

Speaker 1 2:00:13

So if you want to look at through a this year lens, it's like does kendrick have a bigger hit record than drake this year? Yes, do you know how many times that's happened prior to this year?

Speaker 1 2:00:25

zero, you get what I'm saying and so we need to start looking at it on the scale for what it's worth. It's like there is no canceling nobody. There is not canceling of a of an artist who has given this culture, about, rough estimation, 25 to 30 records on the level of not like us in terms of hit making ability 25 to 30. You do understand he has 25 to 30 records like that. So this man's one or two or three. You can't cancel that because you'd be canceling an actual piece of our culture if you did that.

Speaker 3 2:01:05

Yeah, but it's people online talking crazy stuff. My son showed me a tweet the other day that said like if you take away Drake's career, hip hop would be the same. That's just not a true statement.

Speaker 1 2:01:21

These are lies, because there are a lot of guys, there are a lot of guys, specifically from the last 15 years, whose catalog looks drastically different because they don't have a hook from Drake, a verse from Drake and the backing that comes with that by the industry. That's the thing, the backing. He's actually been more impactful to other artists' careers than any other major level rapper that I can think of. So let's go to some of the people that we talked to today when has having ll on a record made or break somebody's career or rock m like? Think about it. We talk about in styles like, like. Let's bring up some of the guys that we mentioned today ll rock m styles. When's having them on a song. Then the difference making between, maybe, whether your label was going to get behind you and push your shit no, no, no. You can't cancel something like that.

Speaker 5 2:02:22

Yeah, it means too much. It means too much. You come a plant, whatever you want to call, it means too much.

Speaker 1 2:02:29

Look first of all. If there's a plant, it's not it. Look first of all. If there's a plant, it's not. It's not the lights, it's not that guy. You know if there's a plant. See, a plant is somebody who the industry sets in place to make sure that they succeed, no matter what, as in, you get to take a five-year break, drop a doodoo album and not really make anything hot for seven years, and then you finally pop out and make a few good records and people are acting like you're the greatest MC of all time. That's what the fuck a plant looks like, just so we're clear. So if there's a plant in this situation, it ain't Drake. You niggas need to learn about ivies and lilies and aloe and cactuses.

Speaker 5 2:03:07

Plants. His face is killing me, man. It's cool man. What a lettuce.

Speaker 1 2:03:14

Green onions, Get you some big rainbow heirloom tomatoes. Punk ass kids.

Speaker 5 2:03:20

Yo man.

Speaker 1 2:03:23

Who the plan. You want to know who the plan is Just like all you niggas got a plug right, all you niggas is plugged. Oh, I got a plug. You ain't plugged. To shit nigga. All you do is plug up your laptop and talk shit.

Speaker 5 2:03:37

You'll get this guy triggered. What Cooper's trying to say is Drake. They compared Drake's record, his actual deal, which is crazy. They compared his deal to Walter Yankinoff's situation with Billie Jean and Michael Jackson. But those of you who don't know who Walter is God rest his soul. He was the president of CBS and he was the one who fought to get Billie Jean on MTV. They're comparing Drake's deal to what Walter did with Billie Jean, meaning the magnitude of that deal that Drake has with Gamma is feeding a lot of different things out there Artists, culture, impact. There's a lot that goes into that.

Speaker 1 2:04:30

It's feeding about 15% of the industry, bare minimum. A lot that goes into that.

Speaker 5 2:04:33

It's feeding about 15% of the industry bare minimum, bare minimum, bare minimum. Rick Ross name was mentioned In this interview. Larry said a lot of stuff, but he didn't give up a lot of stuff.

Speaker 1 2:04:43

Look here, this is what I mean. God Forgives and I Don't is Rick Ross' best album to me.

Speaker 5 2:04:50

Yep.

Speaker 1 2:04:53

Dice Pineapples is the separating moment on that album. Very much so. It's the separation moment. It's like this album's a classic. It was great, it was all-time great. And then Dice Pineapples comes in on track 14, and then followed by Classic Go. Very much so Go, because Three Kings Hold Me Back. 9-11, fucking you. No, no, no. Them is great joints. Dice Pineapples put that album over the top.

Speaker 5 2:05:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:05:31

Now.

Speaker 3 2:05:32

Going back further with you know what I'm saying Ashton Martin music, which was Perez Martin music on, you know.

Speaker 1 2:05:38

Teflon Don. I don't care what anybody says. The Carter 3 sounds like Drake wrote those hooks and I'll maintain that till the end. The Carter 3 don't sound like that. Weezy don't do hooks like that, but there's somebody in the camp who does.

Speaker 3 2:05:58

It's not out of the realm of possibility and, not to go off on a tangent, the thing that makes the Drake reference track and ghostwriting thing so fascinating is because he's a great writer himself that writes for other people. So that's where it gets kind of dicey.

Speaker 5 2:06:12

And Jack, they're not comparing himself that writes for other people. So that's where it gets kind of dicey, Got it? Hey look, and Jack, they're not comparing him to Michael Jackson. So let me be clear. It wasn't a comparison of Michael Jackson. His deal is as big as what Walter did for Billie Jean and MTV during that time?

Speaker 1 2:06:32

What did Nas say on success? Mike Jack's ATU part? Mottola can't touch, Let this bitch breathe.

Speaker 3 2:06:40

What you were saying, coop. That's not out of the realm of possibility because people act like they didn't hear that reference track for I'm Single. They swept that one under the rug. Nobody wanted to talk about that reference track that Jack did for Wayne there are more, there are more, there are more.

Speaker 5 2:06:58

I've had somebody tell me directly that there's more there's a lot more For some of the big artists out there that you will probably be like how.

Speaker 1 2:07:06

And here's the thing about it. I don't give a damn. I still got Wayne ahead of Drake on my all-time list.

Speaker 3 2:07:12

I do too.

Speaker 1 2:07:13

Wayne in that top 10-15. This is what I'm saying. No, wayne, top 10-15. I got Wayne at number 11.

Speaker 5 2:07:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:07:22

I'm cool with that. He would be. Yes, that's a very solid placement for him.

Speaker 5 2:07:27

He's knocking on the door.

Speaker 1 2:07:29

Yeah, he's knocking on the door. I think I'd have him about 12 or 13 at this point. But yeah, in that we are he's knocking that door?

Speaker 5 2:07:37

yeah, so with drake we got to talk a little bit. He's about to drop the juneteenth concert. Cool, I mean, I wonder if he's going to. I think, honestly, fellas, and I don't know how true this is, but I think we're going to get these shoes popped out on the concert. I found them joints.

Speaker 3 2:08:09

The Charlotte Horton joints. Go crazy, that's wild.

Speaker 5 2:08:12

The Stiletto Shocks, Nike Shocks is ridiculous. And Charlotte.

Speaker 3 2:08:16

Horton joints. Go crazy. That's wild. The stiletto shots Nike shocks is ridiculous and Charlotte Horton's colors is crazy.

Speaker 1 2:08:20

That's a direct shot at you Coop.

Speaker 5 2:08:22

I think that's what's up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a direct shot at Coop. You have the gall to put stilettos or Nike shocks. Yo, you got to be a sick person to do that, but that's a definitely shot. He's done with Coop shenanigans.

Speaker 1 2:08:39

I'm done with his shenanigans. Hey, let me ask you a legitimate question.

Speaker 3 2:08:44

You'll come out some Manolo.

Speaker 1 2:08:46

Blahniks. How many times has he done it? How many times has he done a Juneteenth concert? This is never, never.

Speaker 5 2:08:54

This is his first one.

Speaker 1 2:09:02

Okay, so I'm going to look at this from the perspective of Black history. Well, Juneteenth has become popular. The pandemic is part of why it became popular. When I was talking to Iced Out and Deranged earlier, the event that they came to was my Juneteenth event, which was my second time hosting my own Juneteenth event in the city. I actually hosted one at my house the first time during the pandemic. It was actually the first time a lot of people that actually came together that I knew Everybody had kind of been in the house and doing their own thing. Now and maybe I'm splitting hairs here, Maybe I'm just being a little too detail-oriented this guy did make To Pimp a Butterfly, right.

Speaker 5 2:09:40

Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:09:42

Which is probably the most pro-black, socially conscious rap album of his generation, correct?

Speaker 5 2:09:48

Correct.

Speaker 1 2:09:49

When did To Pimp a Butterfly come out?

Speaker 3 2:09:54

Was it 13 or 14?

Speaker 1 2:09:55

14. 14, yeah. Why wasn't he doing a Juneteenth concert then, when he actually had theme music to match? Since he's so woke, since he cares so much about our people, seriously, Now you're woke up laughing at niggas.

Speaker 3 2:10:12

y'all used to say it's on the anti-establishment business.

Speaker 1 2:10:17

Oh yeah, I'm sorry, it's 2015. Yeah, why wasn't he doing a Juneteenth concert when he literally had a whole album that would have been theme music to a Juneteenth concert, right, why, why now?

Speaker 3 2:10:32

Sometimes you gotta pop out and show niggas.

Speaker 1 2:10:35

No, Because this is what I mean about. Oh no, plant work. It's like oh well, now you don't want this battle, Now you all of a sudden want to go outside and do everything. Huh, oh, you want to do. This records you about to drop your album, you doing a Juneteenth concert. This is a promotional rollout for his albums.

Speaker 4 2:10:55

This is not about our people.

Speaker 1 2:10:57

This is a promotional rollout for his album. This is not about our people, because if it was about our people, your black ass would have done it in 2015, when you was making that boring ass Freedom Frighten music onto Pimple Butterfly. It's your lying ass. I don't hate him, but he's not about to stunt in front and act like it's okay. Tell me that's not a stunt or a front. Can anybody explain to me why he wouldn't do this when to pimp a butterfly came out?

Speaker 3 2:11:26

No, I think he's going to try to use this as his summer jam scream moment.

Speaker 1 2:11:30

This is a promotional rollout Right, how about this, mr Juneteenth? You're going to perform a diss record, dissing another black man at your Juneteenth concert with your woke ass.

Speaker 3 2:11:41

He don't consider Drake black. I think he established that.

Speaker 5 2:11:44

He established that, yeah, Is that what we're doing? He's smiling at Coop in his joint. He's picking that Coop with the shoes on man. Very problematic.

Speaker 1 2:11:55

You want to know. I haven't said this in a long. The fact that he's doing a Juneteenth concert is very problematic. It's very problematic that he's doing a Juneteenth concert there's nobody else paying attention First of all.

Speaker 3 2:12:10

I think Sean got the joints right behind him. I think he copped. I First of all. I think I got the joints right behind him. I think he copped. I think it's in one of those cases.

Speaker 1 2:12:15

No, no, no. When I saw the teal and the purple, I was like, oh, this nigga going to get locally disrespectful. I'm not happy. Locally disrespectful no, no, no, he's being locally disrespectful to me. He about to do a diss record at a concert that's supposed to bring black people together. You don't have shit else to perform, because that shit that you dropped two years ago was trash. So you're either performing a bunch of old ass records or you're performing new records to promote your album and doing these diss tracks Right.

Speaker 3 2:12:45

He would be dumb not to. There's no way. Like us I mean not like us and like that don't get played at this concert.

Speaker 1 2:12:53

This is not a Juneteenth concert to help and support and show love for black people. This is a promotional rollout, sponsored to you by Jimmy Iovine and Interscope Records. Why he talking that Drake, not black shit? The motherfucker who run you ain't black. The motherfucker who run your check ain't black. I never heard you complain about that. Since your ass is so black on both sides, why don't you go work for a black business then? Because Interscope ain't motherfucking that.

Speaker 3 2:13:20

Yo ain't he dropping an exclusive interview with Rosenberg too?

Speaker 2 2:13:24

on the same day.

Speaker 5 2:13:25

I'm in Rosenberg of all people.

Speaker 3 2:13:27

I just wanted to say that to get Coop tricks.

Speaker 1 2:13:32

So he fuck with one type of J's but not the black type of J's. Is what we're saying.

Speaker 5 2:13:37

Yo Coop is.

Speaker 1 2:13:43

You fuck with the wholesale J's.

Speaker 3 2:13:44

He was talking about sneakers, y'all I ain't talking about no goddamn sneakers. He's talking about sneakers, I ain't talking about the J's. Hey, we're going to find out if cancel culture is real or not.

Speaker 1 2:14:00

Dave's Rosenberg. You know what the fuck.

Speaker 5 2:14:02

I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 2:14:03

Hold on, hold on. You're doing a Juneteenth concert, doing an interview with somebody whose last name is Rosenberg, getting checks from a dude whose last name is Iveen and I'm the problem. And Drake's the plant. No, no, no, but Drake's the plant, right man? I've been woke so long I'm tired. Now this some bullshit.

Speaker 5 2:14:28

I'm bad man, I shouldn't have even brought that up. I've been getting this last super chat.

Speaker 3 2:14:30

You want to know what and you know who. I blame these punk-ass kids who support him.

Speaker 1 2:14:33

about that I've been getting this last super chat. You want to know what. You know who I blame. You know who I blame Punk-ass kids who support him.

Speaker 3 2:14:39

Full circle, Full circle moment. Now I'm going to tune in to the concert. You know what I mean. I'm going to text Coop while it's going on.

Speaker 1 2:14:46

You going to have a Tiger Woods moment? I'm blazing. I'm from all sorts of indigenous.

Speaker 3 2:14:54

They streaming that joint live on Amazon and Twitch, I believe.

Speaker 5 2:14:58

Amazon, you mean Jeff Bezos.

Speaker 1 2:15:00

You mean Jeff Bezos?

Speaker 5 2:15:02

Yeah, you know what Amazon.

Speaker 1 2:15:09

It's not on Starz.

Speaker 3 2:15:12

It's not on Starz Coop.

Speaker 1 2:15:15

Could have called 50. 50 would have put the program together, would he not? Could have gone B, would he have not? Yo, what's his name?

Speaker 2 2:15:24

No 50's team Drake 50's team Drake.

Speaker 1 2:15:26

Your black ass called Byron Allen and put it on his networks.

Speaker 4 2:15:30

Seeing how he got like 50 channels.

Speaker 1 2:15:32

Hello.

Speaker 4 2:15:33

Message.

Speaker 1 2:15:37

Well then he'd have to put on a dress, but that's a whole other conversation.

Speaker 5 2:15:40

Yo man, time out. Yo, let me get a super, let me get out of here. That's a consideration as a black man, as a black on down.

Speaker 3 2:15:52

Oh yeah, he's a what do you say? A black Israelite?

Speaker 5 2:15:55

I mean not a What'd he say Something like he's an Israelite or something like that, asia the black Hebrew, I don't know. Now he's a.

Speaker 1 2:16:05

Hebrew how convenient.

Speaker 5 2:16:07

Asia, the black Hebrew.

Speaker 1 2:16:08

I ain't heard this nigga say a script. I ain't heard this nigga say a script.

Speaker 3 2:16:12

RZA don't get enough credit for that verse. That verse is fire yo. Rza killed that man.

Speaker 1 2:16:19

Asiatic Black Hebrew. The year 2002, the battle still with the 6 million devils to die from the body fluff or the Ebola virus Under the reign of King Cyrus. The weakness of a man right through his iris.

Speaker 5 2:16:32

Yo man, this and the tickets are $300 a pop. Why not make it free?

Speaker 1 2:16:39

Free. Free, because his slave masters won't let him do that.

Speaker 5 2:16:47

Yo, so next week they own this nigga.

Speaker 1 2:16:54

You know they own this nigga, right Yo I. He's not even an indentured servant, he's a slave.

Speaker 2 2:17:01

He's a slave.

Speaker 1 2:17:03

Own this nigga. Did I make Sean disappear? Sean's like I can't take it anymore, can't do it, can't do it.

Speaker 3 2:17:12

Y'all wild man, y'all ask for it, when't do it Y'all wild man.

Speaker 1 2:17:14

Yeah, y'all asked for it. When I saw the purple and the teal, that's the moment that I slap. It's like, oh, he's being disrespectful directly. Now You're going to make some Charlotte Hornets ass fucking heel toeing fucking. Is that what he's high stepping in? Is that what he's high stepping in? Is those shoes he's high stepping in? Is that what he's high stepping in? Is those shoes?

Speaker 3 2:17:32

That's the way he stepped.

Speaker 5 2:17:35

Yo look how he's standing in his shoes, though $300 for a ticket $300 for a ticket.

Speaker 3 2:17:40

Yo, I was low-key, disappointed man. This is a sidebar Like. I saw a video with this dude that made it sound like, uh, not like us sampled either, and I was convinced that shit sounded spot on. But I saw a video today on YouTube that debunked it. That played the actual sample. Pitched up, man, it was good fan fiction for a day or two.

Speaker 5 2:18:01

I didn't enjoy you in that one. I saw you on that little coast where they got going on. I didn't join.

Speaker 1 2:18:07

Andrew just sent me a text saying I need to move on. I'm going to let you go, Thank you.

Faith Newman interview announcement

Speaker 5 2:18:11

Andrew. Last but certainly not least, we do have a treat for y'all next week. Those of you who know we don't consider ourselves as a true Nas channel we're not Nas dependent, but we definitely are Nas-centric, but not Nas dependent. We have a very special guest that's going to pop on next week and interview with us. And those of you who know, Faith Newman if anyone doesn't know Faith Newman, please do your homework but we have Faith Newman coming up next week on Hip Hop Talks. It's going to be a live interview. It's going to be one of those y'all because, if those of you who say you love Nas, those of you who follow hip hop and love hip hop, Faith was very integral to Nas' early career. She was one of the ones who found Nas in the bridge and we're going to have that conversation with her next week.

Speaker 5 2:19:14

This is a treat that we have for you all. We got so many different things in the tuck. We just want to be very smart about how we roll these things out and we want to make sure we give you guys a treat here and there, and we feel like faith is one of those. We're very appreciative to what she did for the culture, what she brings to the culture and we definitely want to dive into some things with her to talk about not just Nas, but also talk about some other things. You got those of you, but we're definitely locked in, locked and loaded for that interview for next week. We're looking forward to you all popping up as we dive into it. Faith Newman how do you guys are feeling about that? You guys excited about this one. This is one of those. This is one that we got some other ones, but this is one of those. Everybody get a chance to get on an interview with Faith Newman and this is a good one right here.

Speaker 3 2:20:16

So what do y'all think about this one ag go ahead. It's big man. You know as far as what faith newman means to the culture. You know if a lot of people don't are not familiar with their contributions, then you know, tap in and do the knowledge. You know she's being even outside of the scope of nas, like she had a whole career prior to nas. You know what I mean, um. So you know, take the time, do a little research before you pull up on this interview, because she means a lot to the culture. She's heavy in the game and it's a major look.

Speaker 5 2:20:42

No doubt.

Speaker 1 2:20:47

I'm actually humbled and honored that we're actually getting the opportunity to interview Faith. I'm going to piggyback off what AG said. She's been a major contributor to this culture in general. We could actually legitimately have a full-fledged interview with her without ever even mentioning Nas's name. Her contributions to this culture are like that, on a sidebar to keep it a little light. I'm excited for the interview. She looking like a whole snack on that picture. Who did that picture? Oh man, faith looking good out here. Faith looking good out here. No, no, no, I'm going to tell her when I interview her. You were holding up very well, you look great.

Speaker 3 2:21:31

Yeah, I mean, you wouldn't guess she's her age.

Speaker 1 2:21:33

Dr Umar, don't be mad at me, brother.

Speaker 5 2:21:35

Gracious man. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 2:21:38

So yeah, face a real one, she a dope one.

Speaker 1 2:21:41

For real. No, no, no, she literally is dope all around, but I do mean what I say. I like to have fun, we gonna have fun on these episodes, but her contributions to this culture are immense. They are, they're very sincere, they're very real. What I really hope to get out of talking to her and with her is for people to get an understanding of the full scope of what her career looks like. She's one of those people that really doesn't get the credit that she deserves outside of the Nas contribution.

Speaker 1 2:22:19

It's like sometimes you do something so big and important to the culture that people forget your other contributions to the culture you know, and she's actually one of those people where, like you know, people always talk about like the legacy of Illmatic and how it's kind of been like a blessing and a curse for Nas. But what I don't think people understand, it's been a blessing and a curse for all the other people involved too, and she's actually one of those people where it's like, well, because her name is attached to Nas and Illmatic, she hasn't gotten her just due for her other contributions, and so what I really hope to get out of this interview is to actually give her her just due. Absolutely, she is looking good, though Don't act like you niggas ain't see that Right here man, she looking good out here.

Speaker 1 2:23:11

She looking good out here in these streets.

Speaker 5 2:23:14

AJ, anything you want to say, I mean anything you want to add to that, I'm just saying look, I'm just saying what the brothers at home is saying.

Speaker 1 2:23:22

that's sitting up there and saw the picture go across the screen. Look here. Look here, dr Umar Peter.

Speaker 5 2:23:32

Paul said try them all. I don't know where that came from.

Speaker 1 2:23:35

That just popped out of nowhere man. Look here Dr Umar. Peter Paul said try them all. You take that sage and go open some portals elsewhere. Stay the hell up out of my business when I'm interviewing Faith. That's what you need to do. You need to be worried about your no taxes paying ass anyway. But that's another conversation for another day. Coop is on fire tonight.

Speaker 5 2:23:53

What is wrong with you? Coop dropped 40 tonight.

Speaker 3 2:23:59

man, it's crazy.

Speaker 5 2:24:03

Coop is crazy man.

Speaker 1 2:24:04

I'm just saying what the other brother at home was thinking Look here, when y'all put the picture up, niggas, stop thinking about Nas and Illmatic and all that. When y'all put the picture up, we was better off keeping the picture down, but I am excited. But I am excited to interview her.

Speaker 4 2:24:16

I'm actually as excited to interview her.

Speaker 1 2:24:19

Okay, you need to put that away. Put that picture away. I'm as excited to interview her as anybody. That's hilarious. I'm as excited to interview her as anybody that I've ever interviewed, actually, and I've already been taking my notes and building my questions out literally weeks ahead of time, because she deserves that type of attention, and when I do interview her, I'm going to interview her with the professional journalistic integrity that I always do, so I'm very much looking forward to speaking with her.

Speaker 5 2:24:49

No doubt this is going to be one of those. I'm very excited, I'm very happy, for'm very um happy for her, for the channel and for our fans um like I feel challenged by this interview too.

Speaker 1 2:25:00

Sean, like this is one of those interviews where it's like no, like me as a writer and as a journalist, like I need to be on my shit when dealing with her. That's what I'm saying. This is like oh, I'm cracking jokes, now the interview ain't about to be like this. No, you's what I'm saying. It's like oh, I'm cracking jokes.

Speaker 5 2:25:13

Now the interview ain't about to be like this. No, you know what I'm saying. We're taking you through boot camp this week. This week we're going through boot camp. Yeah.

Speaker 1 2:25:20

No, it's like no, no, no, no, no, y'all gonna have to go through the questions and be like no, we can't ask that. We can't ask that. We, frankly, she's bequeathing us like a very important moment for us that, quite frankly, she doesn't have to do no, like she don't have to pull up on us, absolutely she's heavy she's dead, she's heavy, yeah, but we want to give her flowers and do her justice, and that's exactly what I'm about to do with this interview. So I'm actually going to tell you now.

Speaker 1 2:25:45

It's like I thought that, um, I think my chris the glove taylor interview was my best interview that I've ever done I love that one but I think, but I think this interview is about to be better, like this is about to be my best interview because, like I'm about to bring, I'm about to bring all my tools and my toolbox to the table to make sure that she gets the flowers and the notoriety and people understand who she really is in this culture. Bingo, yeah.

Speaker 1 2:26:11

So, like I've been in my bag, I've been digging and doing all my research absolutely absolutely yeah, don't let the don't let the jokes and like all the shit talking fool you like I'm in my bag on this one no, doubt no doubt the glove interview was dope um hit boy, I mean it.

Speaker 5 2:26:26

Just the beautiful thing about our team is that we know how to set each other up for what we can do, and this is one of those things that we talked about behind the scenes. You know, with someone like Faith you don't want to crowd an interview like this. This has to be an intimate interview. You know what I mean? Because if you guys are following us and we appreciate y'all for following us for sure but if those of you are following us and we appreciate y'all for following us for sure, but if those of you are following us you can kind of see some of the breadcrumbs. That's leading to certain things that we're doing. We're doing this like. This is a very strategic rollout that we're doing, if you guys are following, even if you go back to the station head days that we're going to get back into sooner or later, sooner rather than later where we interview certain folks. We interview Iman Thug and QB, someone who's attached to Nori Nas, mobb Deep, you know. We interview Haas G. We got different things that we are setting up for a reason and this is a big chess piece on a chessboard that we are setting up for the future chessboard that we are setting up for the future.

Speaker 5 2:27:36

And if you think about Coop in his previous life interviewing the glove, interviewing Hit-Boy, you know and just being able to navigate conversations and get things out of these guys that other places couldn't get, you know what I'm saying Like having a real conversation when it doesn't sound like it's an interrogation and that's important for us at Hip Hop Talks.

Speaker 5 2:27:58

Everything cannot be an interrogation in the interview. It has to be intimate, it has to make sense. We have to have the guts and also have, like, the intestinal fortitude to ask questions that fans wanted to know for years. Fans wanted to know for years. And I think that the way we are talking about these things behind the scenes and we are prepping each other to be able to have Coup prepared for an interview like this is important to us, because when AG number is called to do the interview with the next person we got lined up, he's going to go through that same boot camp ritual. That's how we rock and again, we're doing this all for the fans. This is not for us. We can have this conversation with these guys behind the scenes and just keep it at that and just keep it there, but we're bringing it here to Hip Hop Talks.

Speaker 1 2:28:49

We're bringing it here to you all so you all can enjoy some of those from your favorite artists out there as well. Hey, a lot of people are making comments in the chat because I made a comment about faith. It's like I'm not the person that's walking around acting like your savior. Don't sit up there and come for me, I said. Peter Paul said try them all. Your mans is over there throwing the Juneteenth concert with checks signed from that, ain't me. When I did my Juneteenth concert, with checks signed from that, ain't me. When I did my Juneteenth event, you know who sponsored and paid for my Juneteenth event. A black man, right. So don't ever question my blackness. I just know where my eyes see. My eyes ain't lying to me. You know what I'm saying. My eyes ain't lying to me.

Speaker 5 2:29:33

AG being all coy over there In his mind he's thinking probably the most diabolical things.

Speaker 1 2:29:46

I call a spade a spade. I call a snack a snack. I know what my eyes see. I ain't blind.

Speaker 5 2:29:51

He's being all coy.

Speaker 1 2:29:52

I ain't blind. Look here these niggas be talking that shit. They run to South America and Mexico and the Virgin Islands every year and find them something that's not black. Yeah, take that, take that. We can't quote that guy. No, we can't quote that guy. I can do whatever I want, niggas are still playing R Kelly, I can do whatever I want. I want Niggas are still playing R Kelly, I can do whatever I want, niggas still playing R Kelly at barbecues. Okay, At least Puff was taking advantage of adults.

Speaker 3 2:30:21

Yo, that super chat is on point. She does have the early Def Jam connections. Shout out to 88 Spence. You did your homework, man. She's heavy in the game, man, for a very long time, very long time. We're looking at 30 plus years in the game. You know what I'm saying Pushing 40 years in the game. I'm about to say more than that.

Speaker 1 2:30:41

Right, yeah, how about this? We can kind of leave it like here, you know, bringing a talent like Nas to the table, which means you already have to have certain connections and certain things in play to even be able to make that acquisition and to bring that to the table. That's what I mean when I'm saying people really need to know who she is. It's like, well, not everybody can go get the most prodigious MC to ever come out of New York's Mecca. Like, think about that, you know what I'm saying. Like, like, think about that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 2:31:13

Like, you know, special people tend to attach themselves to special people big thanks so there's obviously something about her before this guy ever made the album that made him special, that made her special enough that that's where he signed up at bingo, right, bingo. So those are the things that we need to unpack and it's going to be fun. It's going to be a great interview. I'm excited. I love it when I get nervous about something. When I found out we were getting this interview, I got nervous, which made me smile. It made me happy. It's like oh, I love it when I get nervous. It means I got to be on my shit, like, like, like. When Lupe asked was like I bet you think you smarter than me.

Speaker 5 2:31:59

I was like ooh. I was like he want to dance with me. I'm like let's tango, motherfucker. Look at AG, ag, still thinking about some diabolical stuff. That's why he's saying much wrong.

Speaker 1 2:32:05

I was thinking I was like oh, I was like Lupe want to tango, he want a Chicago two-step. Shut up. You want a Chicago two-step, shatam, you want a Chicago two-step with me, nigga? I was like ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. I was like let me get my shit together.

Speaker 3 2:32:17

Yeah, Yo good, we're about to show up man.

Speaker 5 2:32:22

Yo good show tonight, fellas. Make sure all of you like subscribe, tell a friend to tell a friend. We definitely want to continue to grow the channel. It's important for us to be able to not just so much grow the channel for ourselves, but we want to grow the channel for the true hip-hop fan and core fans, because the bigger we grow this channel, the more we can get the right interviews for those who you guys want to hear talk and share their stories about your favorite artists. Again, continue to like, subscribe and make sure that you share.

Speaker 1 2:33:00

It's the sharing process that we really need. I think we got the right people liking and subscribing. Share it. What we're doing and what we're trying to do is really something special. This is a culture piece. A lot of people know me in this space. It's like, oh no, I came over here with purposeful intentions about doing the right thing for this culture. You know what I'm saying. I want to make sure that we do that. Quite frankly, we got to put numbers on the boards to do that. Share, like, subscribe, click, do all of that.

Speaker 1 2:33:33

We in our bag right now it's, I am God. Last week, hyena squad. This week, we got faith. Next week, we got shit in the pipeline that everybody's been working on individually to bring it to the table. I got a couple of local artists down here. I'm going to start bringing through the shine. Like we really trying to be a culture piece and we're trying to be the type of culture piece that acknowledges legends and shows you who got next. Like we're not, we're not picking one lane, we're taking all the lanes. You know what I'm saying. It's like no, no, no. We need to be able to talk to somebody. Like faith, we need to be able to talk to the local artists like I am God, like all in one fell swoop, because the culture starts from the bottom and works its way to the top and we got to cover all that and everything in between, and it's important.

Speaker 5 2:34:18

Facts, facts. Join our Discord Hip Hop Talks on Discord. That Discord group is always active throughout the entire day, throughout the night. They're talking about hip hop culture&b. That discord is ridiculous. You will love to connect with the people in that discord. You got trife, you got lp, you got myself coop ag. You got miss lb, you got jack.

Speaker 5 2:34:45

It's a lot of us in that on discord that just communicate through uh double, that communicate throughout the entire day, throughout the night. So we've got different outlets out there for you all to continue to stay engaged with us. And you know, we know it would drop, um, some nuggets in that discord as well. I got you, lady silk. I send that to you. I'll put that in the chat, jack. Matter of fact, jack, can you put the uh discord in the um in the chat please? Um, but we know where to drop some nuggets in there.

Speaker 5 2:35:13

I had a lot of people DMing me about my hats, my Wu hats, my Nas hats. I may start dropping some stuff in there as well. Just some giveaways for some of the fans out there also. So we're going to do those type of things and continue to build a culture, continue to build a hip hop toss community. Jack is going to drop the Discord in the actual chat here. Join the chat. You'll get some exclusive information, exclusive heads up on things. And join us on Twitter you know what I mean On everything that we're doing.

Speaker 1 2:35:44

Jack, I want to let you know I see you making your little comments. Your arm is too short to box.

Speaker 5 2:35:48

Oh, that's Rika Rika. What's up, man Rika, you know what it is. Who is Rika? Man Rika, one of my old followers, man from my old podcast, man Rika is a hip hop.

Speaker 1 2:36:00

She been up in the chat tonight. She repping the QC.

Speaker 5 2:36:03

Yes, rika lives in Charlotte. Yeah, she go to school in Charlotte. Where you go to school, rika, she been to school in a small place like georgetown, south carolina. I think it's smarter than west virginia actually yeah, no, georgetown is right.

Speaker 1 2:36:14

No, I got family from. Georgetown is right next to charleston. It's the next town over. I'm familiar with georgetown, yep, okay I see you, my bad rika.

Speaker 5 2:36:24

Rika went to school with stacks. Okay, yeah, we could wonder, lawyer, you know hip-hop straight up and down. We got to get rico on the show. We could know hip, hip-hop, r&b. No, no, I've been seeing.

Speaker 1 2:36:35

Rico in the chat all night talking her shit. She know her stuff. I've been seeing her, jack. You don't stand a chance against me, mad Max. I don't know where you've been. Fam, better stop ducking and hiding me. You're still a sucker out here Way behind the ears, you. You're not ready, jack, you're not ready. Mad Max, I don't know where you've been. You've been hiding on these other podcasts. I've been seeing you hiding on these other podcasts. You think cause niggas is inviting you on that. You're shining. You're still not cooped. Don't ever get it twisted.

Speaker 5 2:37:03

I could never be cooped, nigga yo yo with that said, yo yo Jack all you niggas think you niggas think you want a piece of the throne.

Speaker 1 2:37:16

You want to get in the ring with me. Yo, we got to go we got to go Bumba.

Speaker 5 2:37:21

Claude Yo Weka. I appreciate you. Let everybody know from the guys podcast to hit us up here on Hip Hop Talks. Tell them this is where I'm at. Much love to all of you out there.

Speaker 1 2:37:34

I'm looking for his ass in these streets. Shout out to LP. I met LP at the Nas show at the KD concert. Me and LP chopped it up Me and his girl.

Speaker 5 2:37:42

Yeah, LP.

Speaker 1 2:37:45

No, no, no. Lp's actually a good dude. You know what I'm saying. He got a good chick with him. You know what I'm saying he from Flushing.

Speaker 5 2:37:55

Yeah, good dude, real good dude, jack, drop that for the people we out of here. Y'all Peace, appreciate you. Appreciate you, rika.

Speaker 1 2:38:01

See you in these streets. Jack, see you in these streets. Nigga See you in these streets, nigga.