you. We'll be right back Yo. Peace. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Hip Hop Talks. I'm one of your hosts. Ag Got the homie Coop with me. What up, coop? Yes, sir, yo like and subscribe to the channel. If you're new here. Tell a friend to tell a friend to pull up. You can find us on YouTube with the podcast. You can find us on Amazon, iheart, apple Music and Spotify, and we're also over on Stationhead. So, yeah, the more people you get to pull up, the better. You know what I'm saying. We got dope content over here, so we're going to jump into the show, me and Coop, with the one-two punch. Homie Sean's in the air right now. Maybe join us a little bit later, what's?
Speaker 2:going on Coop. He is literally above the clouds right now. Hey, you want to know what I thought about. I was meaning to tell you all this, but since we're live on air, we're about to get on TikTok. I had a long conversation yesterday with a digital product creator. We're getting on TikTok. That's what I was saying. Man, that's where all those punk-ass kids are.
Speaker 1:Hey, we love the children, you know.
Speaker 2:I love the kids.
Speaker 1:Speaking of kids, man, how was your Father's Day, bro?
Speaker 2:It was great. I don't know if you saw my post. I did a post where my daughter asked me what I wanted for Father's Day and I told her I was like I want to spend some time with you. So I asked her if we could just go play tennis like we used to. You know, my daughter was in a USTA tennis academy for a while. She's got a sneaky good forehand when she gets in rhythm. Well, it's not sneaky good, it's just good. Good Like blow past dad. Good Like dropping the ball die in front of dad. Good. But I told her I was like I just want to spend some time with you because I mean, as you know, my aunt Sonia passed over a week ago and we have to bury her this Saturday For everybody that follows us.
Speaker 2:This is Six's mom. You know what I'm saying. Like she's the one that moved me to Charlotte. I grew up with her sons, six and Vici. They're like my big brothers. They taught me about hip hop. I fell in love with hip hop the year that she moved me up to Charlotte. So just a wonderful woman. But it just made me realize how short time was, and so I really have been in a place where it's like. When my daughter asked me that I'm thinking like well, you know, don't get me nothing, don't do nothing for me, just like spend some time with me. Time is the most valuable thing.
Speaker 3:I always tell people.
Speaker 2:What separates God from man is the concept of time. Like his is till infinity, ours is on borrowed. And so we just went and played tennis. We played about four matches. Uh, she, I beat her the first time. Uh, it's about a tie the second time. And then she pretty much beat my ass the last two times. Um, but yeah, that's what I did for father's day. I just spent time with my daughter. We played tennis.
Speaker 2:Some of my best conversations with my daughter has been like on the way to tennis, on the tennis court and and after the tennis match. You know, and so you know that's what I wanted. She's about to be a senior in high school. She's more than likely going off to college soon. So that's what I did, and it came from a place of realizing how precious time is, because I just lost my aunt, who was literally like my second mom. This is my mom's big sister. They grew up together four years apart. That was what I did for Father's Day. To all the parents out there who ask your kids for shit just because it's your holiday, why don't you just ask for their time? It's more important than a dinner, some flowers, some perfume or cologne, like the time with your kid is what's important. You know what I'm saying, yeah, so rest in peace to my aunt Sonia uh, had a wonderful father's day, uh, with my daughter and, um, you know, headed back to Charlotte.
Speaker 1:What's up, man, condolences in regards to your aunt and that, um, that father's day sound dope. Man, you're right, time is of the essence, man. It's like. You know I cherish every moment I spend with my kids and you know we kind of, you know, lay low, did uh, dinner and two movies. You know what I mean, just kicking back. You know what I mean, just kicking back. You know what I mean. So that was a fun time. And you know my daughter's 13,. My son, he'll be 17 next Thursday and you know he'll be a senior next year as well. So, like you said, they grow up, you know, fast, and we might not always have that time that we got right now. So that's dope.
Speaker 2:I literally started playing tennis with my daughter 10 years ago. I feel like it just happened. You know like we started playing tennis when she was seven. You know like she's 17 now, so the time so precious, so important.
Speaker 1:You know, absolutely. Yeah, we got some. We got some matters at hand to discuss and before we get into the main topic of tonight, you, why don't we discuss some, uh, some, new music? So, uh, we got word that, uh, the eclipse is going to be dropping an album here soon and they previewed some of it today in paris and, um, I know you're a clips guy coop, so I'm gonna let you, um, you know, talk a little bit about your expectations and anticipation for the album. You know what I mean, what you got going for us.
Speaker 2:First of all, there are very few rap groups or duos that have two high-level MCs. This group is one of those groups two high-level, high-level MCs. This group is one of those groups.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:They are very, you know, wu-tang aside like we always got to throw the Wu-Tang asterisk out, you know. But Wu-Tang aside, you know you got OutKast because Big Boy and Andre are both high-level. What do you think of Q-Tip and Fife? Do you think Fife is high-level? I do I. What do you think of Q-Tip and Fife? Do you think?
Speaker 1:Fife is high level. I do, I do. I do Not on TIP's level, but I do think Fife's high level.
Speaker 2:I would tell you almost, but not quite for me, If I'm being objective. God bless his soul and I love the man.
Speaker 1:But it's the complimentary style that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Yeah, see complimentary and great within their own right is two different things to me. Perfect compliment to q-tip, but not sure how great he is in his own right. And we're going to be talking about q-tip in a minute too, because we're talking new music absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1:But I mean, look at it like pippen in a sense.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, because I can see that you know okay but see, I think pippen is is one of the players ever and he doesn't get enough credit and him and. Kevin Garnett are pretty much the model for what today's NBA player looks and plays like Absolutely. But Pusha T and no Malice are two of the like. The bar work that they provide is so high level. They have the blessing of having the Neptunes literally in their back pocket for their entire life.
Speaker 1:You know, and then, when it wasn't the Neptunes, it was Kanye.
Speaker 2:They also have the fortune and this is what I'm about to say and this is why I'm bringing up the high level at which they operate with. First, they also have the luxury of never making a bad rap album. They've never made a bad rap album. They've never made a bad rap album. All of their rap albums have been dope. Their worst rap album was the first rap album that they made that got shelved the Full Eclipse joint. They had the Knock Yourself Out beat on it. That's their worst album. That's actually a pretty good project. I know that they don't get the credit that they deserve, but I feel like another great album like them warrants some top 10 group all than them. The Clips are in that category too, and so for people that walk around and have somebody like the Lox in their top ten, it's like the Lox don't have anything close to Hell. Hath no Fury.
Speaker 1:Right, and we had this discussion the last show because I threw out Little Brother and for some reason, the Clips slipped my mind because they would be over Little Brother quite easily. So yeah, they're definitely up there.
Speaker 2:Name a rap duo not named Outkast or Mobb Deep that has more classic project and better bars. It isn't one In that top ten consideration. So I think that they're really just one album away. I think that, I mean, Push has obviously had an illustrious solo career and, you know, no Malice has obviously made some life changes, uh, over the years.
Speaker 2:But if you just look at their three albums like their three like full-length albums in a vacuum which is lord willing, hell hath no fury until the casket drops like those three rap albums are as good as anything from a duo this side of outcast and mob beat, in my opinion, Absolutely so, if album number four, album number four is usually where you know, and Tribe, Tribe of course I didn't want to leave Tribe out of that, obviously, but yeah, so they're really really close, in my opinion, to submitting and stamping their legacy in a whole other manner. If this project sounds the way that their projects usually sound, which is great and what I heard today was great, but I'm I'm a fan and totally like, not objective about them at all. So what's your objective opinion about them and what you heard today?
Speaker 1:Well, I have a few different takes. I'm glad you brought up the solo work because I think that's that counts in the grand scheme of things. When you brought up the solo work because I think that's that counts in the grand scheme of things, when you're ranking the best you know groups, if there's solo work involved, like if it's top quality solo work to go with the group work, then you can't really argue with that Right. And I'm glad you brought up no malice, because I think a lot of people are not really aware of the solo work that he does have. Like, granted, you know he gave his life to the Lord and he was making, you know, content. That was, you know, dialed down as far as the talk.
Speaker 1:But he had an album in 2013 called here, ye Him, which is a fire project, and then he had another one in I think it was 2017, called let the dead bury the dead, and that that's my most um. That's the thing that I'm looking forward to the most about this album, because I was one of the people during the clips run as a duo. I always thought no malice was better, and I had this discussion the other day in the Discord group with the homie Trife. I always thought that no Malice was more cerebral and dug a little bit deeper with his lyrics, right, and the way he's able to balance glorifying the drug game also with talking about the pitfalls of the drug game. The way he does he does it so massively. Falls of the drug game the way he does, he does it so massively.
Speaker 2:I don't think anybody has done that on that level other than jay-z on reasonable doubt in volume one, if I'm being honest so I'm glad that you brought that up because, um, first of all, on lord willing, malice is a better rapper than push a t. Yeah, on lord willing. Now I do feel that by the times, like the transition and the shift happened, like to me it was like remember what happened to that boy with Baby? Malice's verse is better than Pusha's verse. But that was the first time that I saw Push coming Like oh shit, he's about to be better than Big Bro in a little bit, because, like his flow had gotten sicker.
Speaker 2:I was like shit, he's about to be better than Big Bro in a little bit because his flow had gotten sicker. I was like, yeah, he's about to piece this together. So for the first stages of their career, malice is the superior rapper actually and he's the better rapper on Lord Willin and he's the better rapper on a lot of their guest appearances and a lot of the re-up gang stuff. About halfway through the re-up gang stuff like in between the label shit with jive before hell hath no fury pusha elevated himself and I think it's been elevated ever since. But when I mean he's better, I don't mean it by like leaps and bounds. You know what I'm saying he's definitely more flashy.
Speaker 1:I think it's the flash that's it is.
Speaker 2:And so what I will tell you and part of why I like them so much? Well, when they rap together, it's like listening to Reasonable Doubt J and Wanted Dead or Alive Cool G Rap in the same group, because Pusha T is like no frills with it, like G Rap was and, like you astutely pointed out, no Malice has a depth to him when he's talking about the drug game. That's really only rivaled by Jay, in my opinion. If you actually like listen, you know what I'm saying. And so it's like having a version of a Jay-Z and cool G-Rap in a group together and that's what makes it so great. It's like I'm getting G-Rap and I'm getting Jay. Like I'm getting, I'm getting the dope game talk, but I'm getting the introspection and the perspective. But I'm getting the introspection and the perspective, like you know what he say on mama. I'm so sorry, mama. I am sorry for the mistakes that I made, how I air family business, how you put me in my place. You know what I'm saying because, like his grandmother used to be a hustler, I believe.
Speaker 1:I think yeah, somebody pointed out in the chat you know shout out to LP. Uh, he said Pusha loved that lifestyle and Malice hated it. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So that's what I think right and that that conflict that's what I'm going to love about the project is because that that dichotomy, that gap between the two of them is going to be even more um. It's going to be more vast now and it's going to provide for a different type of um. It's going to be more vast now and it's going to provide for a different type of balance. It's going to be a real yin and yang type of vibe through the whole album. I'm thinking and I think that's going to cause for some good music I mean, their music's always been great.
Speaker 2:You know, I think my favorite clips record might be keys open doors off hell hath no fury. That's a tough record. That's one of my favorite rap records period. But the reason I love the record so much is because they're so embedded and at the peak of their particular styles, meshing well together on that album, on that song. I feel like that's their peak when Malice was like and I walk with a glow. It's like the Lord shown favor. These bitches fake like the hoes on flavor. But I don't mind spending. All it is is paper. You know, yeah, like that's that introspection that like pusher doesn't provide. But at the start it off pushes like make your skin crawl. Press one button, let the wind fall. Who gonna stop us? Fuck the coppers. The mind of a kilo shopper seeing my life through the windshields of choppers. I ain't spent one rap dollar in three years, holla it's the style points.
Speaker 2:It's the style points for him yeah, but but what I'm saying is when they bring their styles together, it really is a special display, like one of. One of the things that I can remember is I can remember listening to hell have no fury and playing it for my man, hollow, when we was on the way to c6 in the studio and hollow was hungry so we stopped at mcdonald's and keys open doors came on while we were waiting for his food. But by the time the record went off. We were just kind of looking at each other like we got to go back to the studio somewhere. Like yeah, it's like man, we got to do better.
Speaker 2:It's like these dudes have like leveled all the way up and it's like really outboxing a lot of dudes lyrically that year. Lyrically they sounded better than Jay and Nas in 2006. Because Jay dropped Kingdom Come and Hip Hop is Dead is that year. It's like no Hell has no Fear is blowing those albums out the water and lyrically they were superior to those guys. Their peak is high and listen to what I'm about to say. If we are including solo work, ag understand there's not a duo that has a solo artist shit. Or a trio with a rap album better than daytona, not one of q-tip's projects is better than daytona. Not one of big boy's projects is better than daytona. I love h and I see, I love h and I see, by prodig, it's not better than Daytona. It's not, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 1:But those of y'all in the chat, do y'allself a favor and check out no Malice's solo stuff, because I mean, it's like you know, you might say he was on that righteous path or whatever, but it's really like the diary of a sinner, like the, the pitfalls of everything. Like I said, it's just really cerebral and it's a dope listen. So if you tapped out of listening to Malice after you left Eclipse, then you're doing yourself a disservice.
Speaker 2:Kissing Styles don't have a better solo project than Daytona either. That's what I'm saying. We can run down the line, no, they don't yeah. Black Thought don't have a project better than Daytona, and I love Cheat Code. Cheat codes are not better than Daytona. Yeah, now you're right. So it's like if we're including all the catalog, like the re-up, gang stuff, solo stuff, they're already top 10. I expect top 10 type of output.
Speaker 1:I got two questions for you, though, coop. Did you see the features that's supposed to be on the album? I didn't, so this is good. This is breaking news for Coop. I'm going to say you heard the joint with John Legend. That's one feature that was listed. Another feature that's listed is Stove God and you ready, esco. Finally, he was supposed to be on. Hear Me Clearly. He was supposed to be on.
Speaker 2:Hear Me, clearly a lot of stuff. I mean, you know, he, he kind of married into that camp once upon a time. You're right.
Speaker 1:You're right, they know each other but it's finally going to come to fruition, though it's looking like. So I'm excited about that. And when's the last time Nas robbed over a Pharrell production? Is it the Flyers Angels?
Speaker 2:It's got to be something else floating out there other than that. But might be, but I'm more excited about it.
Speaker 1:I know it's on one of the Lost Tapes too. I forget the name of it.
Speaker 2:I'm more excited about him trading bars with. Whoever put that together. Like to thank you. Whoever thought to bring stove in with the clips stove with the clips. That excites me. That might be the crack music anthem of the year when it comes out and the uh.
Speaker 1:The second question I have for you is how do you feel about how they're rolling out these songs? Because me personally, I'm not a fan of like we're gonna preview it all, preview this um songs at all the fashion shows and Paris during Fashion Week and all that. I'm not. I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2:But what's your take on that? When did gangsters start to boogie like this? I don't like it either, like I don't like it at all, to be honest with you. It's like, especially for a group that is so street oriented with their following and with their dialect and lingo, fashion Week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, we all know they're tapped into that world with Pharrell too.
Speaker 2:They've always been fashion forward and ahead of the curve. You know what I'm saying, so I do understand that part. But it's just like y'all playing crack music at Fashion Week. Is that what we're doing? First J's performing for Tom Brady and Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick, and now Pusha Mal are fucking rolling out the next bag of dope at fucking Fashion Week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to get to the J topic here in a little bit, but yeah, I just had to get your opinion on that. But still on the topic of new music and yeah, it is exciting news New music and track lists. We spoke a little bit about the new Rock Him record last week, and so the official track list came out today.
Speaker 2:Do we have that? Can we put that up on the screen?
Speaker 1:I don't have it in the joint. You know what I'm saying to put up on the screen. But you know, for the people in the chat, this is a seven track album, not part of the Wyoming sessions with Kanye, if y'all getting it confused, it's not part of that, but it's a seven-track album with all those features that we saw listed. I'm not a fan of it, man. Every song looks like it got the lineup from Triumph on there. I don't know if I like Rakim having seven songs with six features on each joint. Man, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 2:You know that adage that says if you don't have anything nice to say, you shouldn't say anything at all.
Speaker 1:You don't live by that Coop, Don't try to pull that.
Speaker 2:No, I hate that adage and I'm not about to do it now. I hate this track listing. Okay, good, there you go. Track listing is awful. You understand what I'm saying? This track listing is awful. Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's bad, it's bad right, and it's only seven songs right.
Speaker 1:Do you even think we'll hear a lot of rock him in general, or do you think it'll be like maybe one verse from him on each song? Oh, appreciate it, andrew, and the Clutch. He did add a track list up for a second.
Speaker 2:Seven songs With all these features Right.
Speaker 1:I've never seen anything like this.
Speaker 2:You made me wait 15 years for seven verses. That's essentially what we're about to get you understand that, with all these features, we're just getting seven fucking verses.
Speaker 2:What's happening to my heroes. Andre's playing the flute. Rocky M takes 15 years to give me seven verses. People wonder why I run around calling Nas the goat. This is why Shit like this right here. No, I'm upset. I'm going to tell you why I'm upset. It's not even because I champion him. It's because he's a champion, right, and you don't.
Speaker 2:I don't want to see him like this ag. Like, truthfully, I don't want to see the god like this. This ain't how I want. Like this is the guy that upped the ante for emceeing for this entire culture, like for whatever you may think of him, like him, love him, hate him, uh, generationally, uh, feel different about him, feel like maybe some people like big and jay and naz, have surpassed him. Like, no matter what you feel, he upped the ante of this entire climate.
Speaker 2:You know, what he did is very like similar to what jordan did around the same time when he took over the league. You know what I'm saying? It's like the heights that he took the league to is really what helped make the league what it is today, and so I don't want to see you running with the pack. I don't want to see you featuring and I love most of these guys like his artists, but the thing about putting together a project is that you have to put together a project. This is screaming to me that this project's not put together properly. I am praying, literally praying that I'm wrong about the God, but it don't look good, ag.
Speaker 1:It don't look good, it doesn't. My biggest thing is the great songs that Rod's known for. There's only one voice on them records and it's his voice. What songs do we point to? With Ra Kim, where it's him, with somebody else, where we're like you know his?
Speaker 2:greatest hits are the best solo mission hip hop has ever seen yeah his greatest hits, like everybody else's greatest hits features involved, features involved absolutely. Yeah, his greatest hits, like everybody else's greatest hits Features involved, features involved, absolutely. He's the only one with a greatest hits where it's just him.
Speaker 1:So that's the level. I'm not interested in hearing you with other people. Quite frankly, sean Sean shooting some bail in the chat.
Speaker 2:He said he produced every song. Who produced every song? Sean? He said he produced every song. Who produced every song. Sean no Rakim produced every song. I'd rather have.
Speaker 1:Sean produce all the songs at this point. So we'll move off this topic because you know, I know that's kind of a sore spot, but hopefully it's good.
Speaker 2:I'm still going to tap in, like every time we've talked about this, I hear, let the rhythm hit them in my mind and I'm going to tap in, like every time we've talked about this, I hear, let the rhythm hit them in my mind and I'm like and you're doing this, like that guy's doing this Doesn't make sense. It doesn't Like if you were going to do a seven track album with features. No, literally, the feature list needs to be a record with KRS-One, a record with Big Daddy Kane, a record with Cool G Rap, a record with Nas, a record with the Black Thought and the Jizzle, like that whole Scientific Rhyming thing that I brought up last week.
Speaker 2:No, that should be the guest appearance track list. I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know who's the A&R behind this project. A&r is still a thing. But yeah, I'm still going gonna tap in, though don't get it twisted.
Speaker 2:But this is bad. This is, this is a bad week for me.
Speaker 1:You know that like this is bad, like yeah, I mean we, we still we'll judge it when we hear it, but it's not looking good, it's not looking good, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go to sleep to andre's flute ass album tonight, like that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2:I'm just gonna go ahead and finish the depression off. I lost my aunt.
Speaker 1:Rakim dropping a fucking compilation album and masking it as a solo album. Rakim is the A&R too. He's like the Jamaicans that got like 15 jobs. He's like the producer, the producer, the A&R.
Speaker 2:My Jamaican friends hate that analogy about how Jamaicans have all these jobs, but I never see them, niggas, cause they always at work. So who cares?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's wild, but um, you brought up um Q-tip earlier who's going to be producing in full of the LL album and LL dropped a new single. And since we're on the topic of features, um on the Rock Him album, how did you feel about the features on the LL song?
Speaker 2:First of all. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Go ahead. The name of the song is called Saturday Night Special featuring Rick Ross and Fat Joe.
Speaker 2:First of all, I'm happy Sean's ass is above the clouds right now, so he can't pick on Rick Ross right now. He skated on this track, sean he really did, he did. He skated on this track. Sean he really did, he did. He skated all over this motherfucker. All right, yep, looking like Christy Yamaguchi on that bitch. All right Skating. All right, Gold medal shit. Listen to what I'm about to say, ag.
Speaker 1:That's the beat of the year. I love the beat, but here's my thing. It sounds winter time. It sounds like a grimy winter s beat versus a summer record to me I don't care.
Speaker 2:I mean you're right, but it's the beat of the year, like I wrote some rhymes to that record okay, you got your pen back out yeah, yeah, like I might skate on that one time, like just for the fun of it.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying. Like that beat is like that and what I love about the beat, because the thing that always makes me insecure about these old ass rappers and these old ass producers doing stuff is the fact that it's like but you did that before, but you did it better, right? This don't sound like. Q-tip made this beat Well.
Speaker 3:I mean.
Speaker 2:I'll go ahead, bro. No, I mean, what beats do Q-Tip have that sound like this? So it sounds like he's really been in his bag in terms of his ear for music, but it does sound like and we're going to keep on saying he updated his formula. This shit is exciting. You want to know who fat joe is? Ag fat joe is raps robert ory. He's in the book. More explain further. Here's what I'm saying. I've never seen a rapper like fat joe, who's always in the right place at the right time. Fat Joe is always in the right place at the right time. Very similar to Robert Ory. Robert Ory who the hell ends up having Akeem Olajuwon and then get Shaq and Kobe right after Akeem declines.
Speaker 2:You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He was always in the right place at the right time. But he wasn't just like. He was about as high level as a role player that you could find in the history of basketball. He was never the star of a team, but he was a great defender, three point shooter, big shot winner. Fat Joe's charisma on this track and him stepping in at the end did really take the track over the top for me and I'm thinking to myself how many times has this guy done something like this? He's always in the right place at the right time, like Robert Ory he is. He's Raps Robert Ory. It's like. He's got a lot of championships but he's never been the best player on the championship team. But he's always in the right place, in the right spot at the right time and he brings something to the record.
Speaker 1:Like there's something very hip-hop hearing that end off the record. You know, yeah, that was my favorite verse actually and uh, mine too, and uh, what I love about that is fat joe has always had reverence for ll. Like damn near every um interview I've seen a fat joe he's praising ll. So I think it was dope that ll went and got him for that feature. You know what I mean. I don't think the features were needed, but they were dope on the record.
Speaker 2:First of all, I think they were needed for this beat. Really yeah, because, like you pointed out, like how about this? I almost feel like Fat Joe wasn't supposed to be part of this record. But he heard this record and was like nah L, you got to give me eight bars. He did.
Speaker 1:Busta Rhymes. Yeah, you got to give it all L.
Speaker 2:You and Q-Tip on there, my man Ross on there. You know, fat Joe spent so much time in Miami in his prime. It's like he knows all these guys. He's like nah. He's like nah. You got to give me eight bars. We're going to have to cut your shit in half. Let me in. Let I like it. And you want to know what else I like? I hear dope-ass remix coming.
Speaker 1:Okay, what about LL's performance? I think L sounded reinvigorated man. He was rhyming at a high level to me.
Speaker 2:He's crisp, he sounds crisp, he sounds polished, he is. He's our most polished rap star.
Speaker 1:We had a discussion about Ghostface, the thing about LL his voice hasn't aged, no.
Speaker 2:His voice was a little lighter on the first three albums, but this is the same voice from Mama Said Knock you Out, Right, right. This is the same voice from Mama Said Knock you Out. That's what. That's 91?
Speaker 1:90?. Yeah, we got a couple of super chats. Let me hit those real quick. Andre Shashir what up, bro? He says with the $5 super chat. He says what up, fellas? He said Coop, I'm touring between that, that best and Dreamin' Beat for oh, he said that beat and the Dreamin' Beat for Common. Both are fire, yeah for.
Speaker 2:Beat of the Year. First of all, q-tip and Pete Rock have been having beat wars since we were kids. But advantage Q-Tip.
Speaker 1:We got another $5 super chat from Jermaine L Johnson. He said crack never has been or pretended to be lyrical miracle, but he has intangible swag and presence on records that most MCs just don't have. That's a big fact, correct, great comment.
Speaker 2:I couldn't swag and presence on records that most MCs just don't have. That's a big fact, correct, correct, great, great comment. I couldn't agree with you more. That's what I mean. It is like when I heard the cracker, cracker, crack, I was like, oh shit, like it got me excited. That's what I mean. He next level the record and it's like, make it make more sense. Like ll cool, j featuring rick ross makes a little bit of sense, but not all the way. But there's something about it's like ll rick ross, fat joe. It's like, yeah, I'm with that. I like that idea. Run with that I agree.
Speaker 1:But let me let me ask you this, Coop when I heard the record, one thing I hear with LL is he's still competitive, Because I think he approached that record like y'all two ain't going to get the best of me. On this record he was rhyming with some vigor and not that it was a 4-3-2-1 type situation, but I still hear the competitive drive in l when he's rhyming alongside other rappers and that makes me have a little confidence that this album is going to be pretty dope l is a rise to the competition type of rapper always has been he's a rise to the competition type type of rapper.
Speaker 2:Not only is the beat of the year, but the part that I was worried about was the production, because the last time Q-Tip did a classic production job AG we were in middle school, right you know. So hearing him make a beat like this to start off this album, I am genuinely excited about this album. I can't remember the last time I was excited about an LL album Right yeah. When's the last time? The last time I was excited about an LL album, right yeah. The last time I was excited for an LL album is when Mr Smith came out.
Speaker 1:That was 1995. Nah, I'm going to have to go with Goat I was excited for the Goat album. I like the Goat album. You know what I'm saying. It's not a classic or nothing, but I was excited for it.
Speaker 2:It's good. Hey, real quick. While we're here, we're talking about Elle. What's Elle's five best albums, to you in order?
Speaker 1:Definitely. Mama Said Knock you Out. Number one. I will put Bigger and Defer for me at two. Mr Smith would be three, I might say Goat. At four. I like Goat that much.
Speaker 2:You think Goat's better than Bad and Radio.
Speaker 1:No, I said Bigger and Deferred too.
Speaker 2:Oh, you did say Bigger and Deferred.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like Bigger and Deferred better than Radio. Radio might be fourth for me, like because it's not better than mr smith. Or yeah, radio might be fourth, but goat would crack my top five I think bigger and deafer is his best album do you think it's better than? Mama said knock you out I do, I'm not mad.
Speaker 2:I actually think that mr smith is better than mama said knock you out too. So I would actually go. Mama said knock you out. The song is my favorite. I actually think that Mr Smith is better than Mama Said Knock you Out too. So I would actually go. Mama Said Knock you Out. The song is my favorite LL Cool J record of all time. But the album I would put in fourth because I think radio is too important to not be in his top three. So I would go bigger and duffer Mr Smith radio. Then I would go Mama Said Knock you Out, OK. Mr Smith radio. Then I would go Mama Said Knock you Out, Okay. The fifth one can be debatable between a few things. How about this? Walking like a panther, Walking with a panther? Is it with or like?
Speaker 1:It's with, but that album's not good bro.
Speaker 2:Listen to what I'm about to say when we say that he was just a little bit ahead of his time with that album.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:And as we're going to discuss somewhere down the line when we do this very special interview coming up, well, rick Rubin had moved to Cali, and so that's where some of that Cali shit came into play. But think about some of the records on there. Jinglin' Baby is on Walking with the Panther, correct? Correct? I'm Going Back to Cali. Is on Walking with the Panther, correct? Correct, jinglin' Baby and I'm Going Back to Cali.
Speaker 1:Those are two of his ten best records. I mean, he got hits all over the place, even on his bad albums. That's one thing we laud Jay for Like. Even on Jay's like you know bad albums he got hits.
Speaker 2:You know he got things. Jay's not a better hit maker than L. It's not the same level.
Speaker 1:Well, not comparing him as hit makers, but I'm just saying he got, even on the albums that you say is not it, he got hits on those. You know is what I'm saying. Top five L records Hold on.
Speaker 2:Before you go to five your top five L records. I get what you're saying. Let me show you the separation that I'm talking about. Jay will have hit records on even his bad albums, but I bought up Walking with the Panther to show that LL has classic hits on his bad rap albums.
Speaker 2:All-time great rap songs. Niggas ain't playing Show Me what you Got on. No damn all-time great rap song. Right, like niggas ain't playing. Show me what you got on. No damn, all-time great jay-z like. You know what I'm saying, but jingling baby, and I'm going back to cali on there. No doubt classic, not just a hit, but a classic hit. Like nobody has more classic hits than l, even to this day to me. You might have a hit for your time. You might have a hit for your time. You might have a hit for your era. You might hit the mark once or twice, but don't nobody got more classic hits than L, not classic.
Speaker 1:Span about 40 years. Man, it's crazy Classic. My top five L songs, you know, got a no particular order. Got to put I Need Love in there. I used to play that for the shorties back in the day. I used to put that for the shorties back in the day. That's wild Over the phone and everything Act like I wrote it Bad is up there. Mama Said Knock you Out. I'm definitely going to put I Shot you in there. The remix is a collab, but my most slept on L song it might be my favorite Is Ill Bomb, love Ill Bomb. I think that's one of the best records he ever made.
Speaker 2:Ill Bomb's a top 20 L song. Easy For sure, For sure. My top five L songs would be Jingle and Baby would be one. Mama Said Knock you Out would be on there. This is just me, you know I'm Bad is the first rap song that I ever emulated.
Speaker 1:It's the first one I knew from front to back.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying when he went like I'm notorious, I crush you like a jelly bean. I memorized all of that. I used to practice that in the morning I used to put on my cousin Vici. He had one of those little LL hats. I used to jump off a bed and I used to. I'm bad, is probably it for nostalgic reasons. You want to know what his most underrated hit record is. It's hey Lover with Boyz II Men. I actually like hey Lover more than I like I Need Love. He's actually telling a story on that record. I like the original version that I Shot you Too. You want to hit? Give me an hour's bus, a pen and a pad, which is a take from the hit record. I'm Bad, but he's got a lot man, we could do this for days. Rock the Bells, of course course is top five.
Speaker 1:That's one of the best beats ever too yeah, it is for sure.
Speaker 2:I would say rock the bells jingling baby um, mama said knock you out, I'm bad. Fifth record hmm, I don't know. I don't know about the fifth. Um, I'm trying to think l Elle's had a lot of hits. It's hard to decide. It might be I'm going back to Cali just because it's so ahead of its time. It really really is. He was talking about that when it wasn't cool for an East Coast rapper to be talking about anything other than some New York shit. You know what I'm saying. I think he was just really ahead of the curve with some of that stuff. But I'm excited for this album. I am like, I'm genuinely excited, like when I heard Saturday Night Special. I'm like, oh, I'm just as excited for L's album as I am for Common and Pete Rock's album. I'm like what the hell is going on?
Speaker 2:and why, the hell and why the hell is Rock M working by himself when Common's got Pete Rock and LL has Q-Tip?
Speaker 1:He's not working by himself. He got 90 people on the record.
Speaker 2:Rakim needs to call Large Professor.
Speaker 1:You know, Large Professor.
Speaker 2:They need to make amends for that anyway, because you know, large Professor is the one that actually ended up really producing most of the Let the Rhythm Hit Him after Paul C died Yep, okay, so most people you know and Large Pro kind of said something about him not really getting credit for that and Rakim took it a certain type of way and I don't think they've had the same relationship since. But you know, you have to understand that Let the R hit them. These are the sessions that a young Nas was getting led into by large pro on the low.
Speaker 1:Right when he was like 16 or 15, 16, something like that. But I'll tell you what. This might sound crazy, but I would like to bridge the gap. I would love to hear Rakim over some conductor beats. I think that would be fire Rakim's tone Rakim's tone, rakim's tone, overdose, I hear you.
Speaker 2:Just you know, common's got Pete Rock and LL's got Q-Tip Peep at OG. Is what you're saying? Just call Large man, call LP man, go ahead and call him man. Call him. Go ahead and squash him. It's been a long time.
Speaker 1:Like the record, it's been a long time. Like the record, it's been a long time. Call him, yeah. So, um, before we get off this new music topic, you put this in our group chat. You know sean makes fun of me all the time because you know I actually was a bleak fan in the height of rockefeller. So when you deserve, to be picked on.
Speaker 2:For that, you're gonna get what you deserve you deserve. You deserve that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I call myself a bleak apologist Cause I think bleak was always dope. He just got a bad rap. You know what I'm saying. People had unrealistic expectations, thinking he was next up. You know um to be Jay, but I knew that wasn't what happened. So I was never. That's Jay's fault. He sold that lie to us. But Sean said, being a Bleak apologist is nasty. But when Bleak popped back out with it's called Do-Rag Bleak over Just Blaze, I thought that was a dope record. Maybe it's Jay sending Bleak out on the front lines to do a temperature check, but it's a nice record, man.
Speaker 2:So when the record came out I was like, eh, I'm not going to listen. But a couple things about Bleak First of all. Bleak has great energy on the track and he doesn't get enough credit for that.
Speaker 1:Always, always.
Speaker 2:And he has a great rap voice and he doesn't get credit for that either.
Speaker 1:You get it Coop. That's what I'm saying. I'd be telling the same thing.
Speaker 2:No, I mean I didn't say I was a fan, I just said he's got great energy and he's got a great rap voice. I didn't say let's not go too far.
Speaker 1:You have a Copa Bleak album.
Speaker 2:No, why would I do that? You have to understand. Like you know, here's how territory I used to be with around the time when Bleak was coming out is when I started seeing the lines getting drawn. Based on what I was hearing the two Titans say, I was like, well, I'm over here, so we're not listening to that nigga. And the only nigga from that crew that I really started listening to, other than Jay, was Beans, because Beans was just too nice to ignore and I felt Beans. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I think that hurt Bleak's career more than anything, because when Beans came along and we all saw how nice Beans was and then he brought the rest of Philly with him, it was kind of lights out for Bleak at that point.
Speaker 2:Actually, some of the best stuff is the early stuff, where Bleak is still there and Beans is on the comeuppance. But I'll tell you this too, and a lot of people don't know this the Durag Bleak record is actually taking the same sample from my favorite Beanie Siegel record, which is Look at Me Now off the Becoming. You know that's the same sample from Look at Me Now. I didn't even catch that. Okay, yeah, that's the same sample. So when I heard it I was like and here's my thing, and this is why I like the record, but I don't love it. But it's like just you gave Bleak a sample that you know Beans had used, beans had used, because I know he knows and it's like well, bleak's not Beans on the mic, so don't use the same sample, I don't care if it's been. When did it come out Like 2007?
Speaker 1:It was no, it was 2005. You're right, 2005.
Speaker 2:So it's like don't think we forgot that record may be 19 years old, but heads know, and so so, although I like the record, I didn't love that just use a sample that literally somebody from within the same camp had used already and used to, quite frankly, more wonderful execution. Look at me now, if you haven't heard. Look at Me Now by Beanie Siegel off the Becoming. It's his best song to me, because it's. I'm a fan of songs that are indicators of the rapper's style, persona and lifestyle, and nothing screams beans to me like Look At Me Now.
Speaker 1:We got Feel it In the Air on the same album, though I love Feel it In the Air.
Speaker 2:First of all, the Becoming is a classic to me and I love almost every record on there. But Look At Me Now is the best record on there to me, including Feel it In the Air? Feel it In the air was probably like as far as like a release single goes. That was probably the rap song of the year in my opinion that year as far as like a release single. That I really loved because I remember like the becoming came out the beginning of 2005 and I remember I heard feeling in the air and I was like yo, I was like this is the bar for this year yeah, but yeah, it was dope to see.
Speaker 1:Uh, just blaze, you know, come back out on the production and, if you know, we'll get on to the j topic later. But if j is to put together an album, that's something I'd want to see because you know he always puts out dope joints with just so, but, um, you know, saying we'll move on and we'll switch gears a little bit. Um, so let's talk about, you know, the elephant in the room. Let's talk about this, this Kendrick concert that happened last night. I feel like the whole world was watching. I'm going to let you have the floor first, coop, before I give my takes. No, no, no, no, no, you take the floor. Okay, I have no problem taking the floor.
Speaker 2:Ag. What are your thoughts on the concert I?
Speaker 1:think the concert was a top tier hip hop concert. I think it was definitely one of the best hip hop moments. Well, we're going to look at that in the future. Going forward, it's going to be one of the best hip hop moments ever, right, for different reasons. Now the first part of the concert. I'll be honest. Like you know, some of the opening acts a little shaky.
Speaker 2:I wasn't really. You keep those acts.
Speaker 1:Right, oh, real quick. Five dollar super chat. Appreciate it from Andre Shashir. Speaking of new music, what do y'all think of the upcoming project with Boldy and Conductor Williams dropping next week? I'm going to tap in.
Speaker 2:I love some Boldy, like I'm one of those guys. Boldy is one of those guys I get behind him even more because not enough people are behind him. I've said this plenty of times. Let's go to the Rock M thing. The beautiful thing about Rock M was that he always handled the bulk of it himself, because he's a songwriter. Boldy is one of the few guys left standing. Three verses hook, yeah, solo yeah, impressive yeah. And so I mean his best stuff is obviously with alchemist, but also too, it's like you can like run that formula down a little bit too much. I love the conductor thing. I think conductor has inserted himself into the top five producer conversation, maybe even top three right now, and so we're having a wonderful year for production. Like these pete rock beats, these q-tip beats, these conductor beats, preem better.
Speaker 1:Come with it, that's all I got to say no, for real, I'm not joking, I'm not joking.
Speaker 2:No for real, j Cole better make Album of the Year and Preem better come with these beats.
Speaker 1:I think we're going to have a dope second half of 2024.
Speaker 2:for sure I think we're going to have a great second half. I think it's about to be great, great absolutely.
Speaker 1:But um k dot, he planted his flag last night, man in the ground, because you know the opening acts, it was what it was. But what I liked about the thing, it was just so west coast, like everything was, you know, even down to the ads for like the gin and juice drink. I mean it was west coast through and through, right, and you know mustard with the acts, he did his name and then you had dj head out there. But then we get to the main event, right, and it's on record that I even said on this show that you know I wasn't the biggest fan of Euphoria because of the vocal inflections at the beginning of the song, but hearing him open with that live and performing that, that was a fire record to open up the show with. And that let me know. Okay, I see what kind of time he's on right now. You know what I mean. And he even previewed a new bar in there. It said I might give you some respect if you give me Tupac's ring back, like you know that's new, like he didn't say that in the original track. So you know, once he performed Euphoria to open, I said it's a good chance that he might perform every diss track that he has to Drake tonight, and he did, with the exception of Meet the Grams, but I can see that not being a performance worthy song, right, but just overall performance.
Speaker 1:Man, what was most impressive to me was Kendrick's breath control throughout the whole set. Right, he just rapped at a top tier level. He worked the stage like every emcee should and you know, his breath control was like bar none, like I mean, that's one thing I look for. And he wasn't rapping over any backing tracks either, you know. So he just like, ultimately killed his performance. And then, to your point, coop, he stayed away from those Mr Morale records. So he picked his set list properly you got the bangers from Damn and you got the bangers from Good Kid Mad City. So he understood the assignment right and he had all the Cali with him. You know what I mean. And to do not like us five times in a row, listen. Like you know, jay and Kanye did what they do the Ninjas in Paris, like 11 times in Paris. Like I said, kendrick understood the assignment right Because when you do situations like this, you're trying to create a moment, you're trying to put your flag in the ground and create a moment and you're also trying to bury the competition, which is what he did last night, and I feel like all of Cali was seawalking on Drake's grave after this performance.
Speaker 1:Let's go back to some other noteworthy classic performances. Right, jay-z, at Summer Jam, he brought out Michael Jackson in Preview Prodigy on the Summer Jam screen. Right, people reference that performance a lot. You know burying this competition and you know just making it a moment. You go to naz, the uh, godson live. When he did that at, uh, was it? Um uh. I forget the name of the venue it was at, but he performed ether had, like, all of queen's bridge on the stage with him and then brought out Jadakiss and Ludacris.
Speaker 1:Yeah for the remix.
Speaker 2:I have that on DVD still.
Speaker 1:I do. Yeah, I got the vinyl too. I forget what is it? The Wimby?
Speaker 3:I forget what.
Speaker 1:Something musical. Wimbley, I think it's something like that in New York. Sean would know Webster Hall, yeah, webster Hall.
Speaker 2:So that's what you? Tell Sean to stay out of our show and fly home safely.
Speaker 1:And then if you remember when Drake did Back to Back in Philly right and brought out Will Smith that's hilarious, the back in Philly right and brought out Will Smith and had that. Yeah, so you're trying to create a moment in these events, right, and he understood the assignment. He rapped at a top tier level, he made it a classic moment and he had the whole hood behind him, I mean like Westbrook, and DeMar DeRozan, who formerly played for the Raptors, was seawalking on the stage First of all, they're Cali guys.
Speaker 2:They're Cali guys.
Speaker 1:Right, right, but I'm just saying still. But then Big Hit was on there with Lil C3. You know, big Hit even fell on the stage. It was crazy, like Cass was turned up on there and then who else was on there? Like to have Dre to introduce the song, right, that was a crazy moment. And to have Dre pop out and then, um, the Black Hippie reunion with J-Rock, ab-soul and, you know, schoolboy Q. I mean everything he did, he checked all boxes last night and I think it's going to go down as an all-time performance, whether it be on the merit of Juneteenth or not, just everything in the form to the group picture at the end, a la the, the cover for um to pimp a butterfly. I've seen memes already where they got that picture in front of the embassy calling to pimp a canadian. Yo, and shout out, shout out to lp, though yo, lp put a a Discord group. He said Drake, I'm going to do a colonizer show on Columbus.
Speaker 2:Day. That's hilarious. That is hilarious.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I'm going to get your thoughts on it, Coop. I'm going to read the super chat real quick from Jermaine Johnson. With the $5 super chat, it says I sincerely apologize to J Cole for not understanding why he apologized to K-Dot. I get it now.
Speaker 2:Mad Max got a couple super chats too. I'm going to read Mad Max's super chats. Mad Max said the bar, he was begging for a ring, the ring the embassy. Go, take his legacy, tough guy. Those are Mad Max's two super chats.
Speaker 1:What's your thoughts Coop?
Speaker 2:So, as two super chats, what's your thoughts? I love how he united LA, because LA is a hard place to unite. Cali is a hard place to unite. It's really large. It's really separated. Kudos to him for doing that. He deserves credit for that. It was an excellent job. First of all, when you're talking about those other big moments, in those other big moments, none of those guys had to perform a song five times. So it was some overkill with that to me. Just being totally honest, like in an objective way, it's like you're performing this song five times.
Speaker 1:Can I say something to that Just real quick? When Jay and Kanye did it, you know, I felt that initially, but when I saw the footage of it, if you got a song in your catalog that you can perform that many times and the crowd still go crazy every time you do it, then to me that's a flex, Like you know what I mean. If they don't get tired of it, yes, overkill. But if you got a song that's worthy of doing that and people are down with it, then go ahead and proceed.
Speaker 2:AG. You know why he did that song so many times? Oh, of course I do. Yeah, you know why? Well, no, no, no, no. Listen to what I'm about to say. Well, when you haven't made any good songs in the last seven years, it's not like you had much new to pull from AG. My biggest takeaway from the concert was that I was right. That last album sucked, because how many records he perform off that album? Zero. Say that again. How many Zero. He didn't perform one song off Mr Morale and the Midsteppers. Now, why is that? You want to know why? Because the album's not any good.
Speaker 1:Like I've been saying, Well, I knew you were going to say that. That's why I made my point, because you create a moment like Jay-Z with the takeover at Summer Jam Jay didn't do the takeover five times no he didn't, it was the prodigy versus.
Speaker 2:It was the prodigy on the screen and seen out. You want to know why? Because Jay had more heat right then, right there. He didn't have to piggyback off the takeover. He had a collection of songs that was great. He had a collection of songs that were great. He had a collection of songs that were current. This was an OG concert. He didn't even preview any new music, did he?
Speaker 1:I don't think that's fair. The diss songs are new music. It is new music.
Speaker 2:Like I said, like I've been saying, the only songs that he's made that have been good the last seven years have been the diss records. So it took you getting dissed for you to get back in your bag, which means you're not self-motivated like the only good records he has.
Speaker 2:the last seven years are all diss records like when are people gonna like? Are you not paying attention? Essentially, you needed Drake to add you on to get you back in your bag. That means you weren't interested in rapping like that. I really don't appreciate how he's taking advantage of Black culture by choosing to do this show on Juneteenth, where the hell he been the last 10 years for Juneteenth, where?
Speaker 1:You have to ask people in Cali Doing what.
Speaker 2:The Hotep Hot 2-step.
Speaker 1:No, let me ask you this, though, coop, which I think he should strike while the iron's hot, because nobody's been as hot as fish grease. Since Jada Kids did the Versus right and Jada, it's been three years. We still haven't got a Jada project. He didn't capitalize on it. So if Kendrick were to pop out and drop a project and capitalize on it, do you think that he has a Not Like Us in him? That's not talking about Drake. A Not Like Us level hit. No, no.
Speaker 2:No, I don't.
Speaker 1:You can't expand on that.
Speaker 2:Okay, so no, I don't, you can't expand on that. Okay, so you're doing a juneteenth concert in la where you unite in la. Now you're going into your bag. You're playing some of your best stuff. You're playing your good kid mad city stuff. You're playing your to pimp a butterfly stuff. You're playing your damn stuff. Correct, correct? Yeah, that's what you did. You. You're playing your damn stuff, correct, correct? Yeah, that's what you did. You're not playing your Mr Morale stuff because it sucks.
Speaker 2:But here's the thing. Two things happened that I realized this concert. A happened because Drake put him in a tight spot when he literally let people know well, the only reason you're doing this is to promote your album, and so now he has to push his album back. But, ag, where the fuck are the new records at? You've made one album in seven years. In these disc records, what? What better time than when you have the entire coast United for you to preview and debut some new music? Except for it's not like that. So you have to do Not Like Us five times. It's still not like that.
Speaker 1:The reason why I disagree with your. Mr Morale take. You said he didn't perform them because they suck. I think he just didn't perform them because they don't fit the tone, because it was an aggressive tone through the whole concert.
Speaker 2:He's not an aggressive rapper. I didn't hear you. What'd you say? He's not an aggressive rapper, though this isn't even his bag.
Speaker 1:But I mean just the music he chose from Damn it Good Kid Mad City. It was more in the vein, because it would be kind of contradictory if you're talking about therapy records and then you perform a diss track five times. It's kind of you know, for the optics it don't look right well, it don't look right because he's inconsistent.
Speaker 2:Every artist is inconsistent.
Speaker 1:Don't do that, coop. Every artist is inconsistent. You don't do that every artist is inconsistent.
Speaker 2:The rest of these artists don't be hailing themselves as some messiah or some king and calling themselves a black Israelite and never dropping any knowledge to back it up.
Speaker 1:Somebody agrees with you. Andrew Williams, with $5 Super Chat says I ain't gonna lie. That's a good point about Mr Morale.
Speaker 2:Coop. All I'm saying is that when I watched the concert, I was like so I was right. This album sucks because you didn't perform a song from it. That's one, and this is what made it an OG concert. Most of these songs I know that's Sean putting up. Definitely Sean.
Speaker 1:You're on the airplane, sir.
Speaker 3:We're going to talk to Delta Airlines.
Speaker 2:AG, we're going to discontinue his Wi-Fi when he's in the friendly skies Fly the friendly skies, my nigga. We're going to talk to Delta Airlines. Ag, we're going to discontinue his Wi-Fi when he's in the friendly skies Fly the friendly skies, my nigga. We're going to have to discontinue his Wi-Fi. I know people at Delta. I can make some calls, oh man.
Speaker 1:Yo, Sean is wild, but did you like the concert is the question.
Speaker 2:The concert was above average.
Speaker 1:I was overall impressed.
Speaker 2:I said it was above average. That is wild Joe. Okay, listen to what I'm saying. If he's hotter than fish grease right now and if he's capitalizing on it, why is there not any music being played from his most recent album, and where is the new music? I'm just asking questions. If you got some viable answers for me, feel free to give them to me. My answer is that, if he's so hot and these records so good. Where the fuck are they?
Speaker 1:My answer is the diss records is the new album, because he damn near put out an EP of diss songs.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. So you really don't have an album where you're talking about anything, then do you? We're going to see. Why didn't see? Why did we not see at this big event, with these expensive ticket prices that united the whole coast? You're bringing out Dr Dre. I got a word for both of them. How about you two, instead of getting on stage together, get in the fucking studio together? How about that? Don't give a damn about you bringing Dr Dre. I don't care. It's been like 14 years that don't give a damn about you bringing dr. I don't care. It's been like 14 years. I ain't heard a dr dre beat with kendrick lamar rapping on it. That's what mr morale needed, and I said that like when mr morale came out, I was like man could have used dr dre on this one, because these beats suck. So does this album.
Speaker 1:You know, if I'm kendrick, I'm dropping the album, like you said, but I'm using the picture at the concert for the album cover.
Speaker 2:Where the music. I mean not being funny, but it's like this all sounds like you're piggybacking off of the momentum of beating the biggest rap star, but let's not act like he can't get in the studio.
Speaker 1:I mean won't and can't are two different things right.
Speaker 2:Oh, he can get in the studio and make records, but are they going to be any good if they're not attacking Drake?
Speaker 1:Because he came out with four diss tracks in what a week span. And all of them were different angles, different vibes, different. You know what I mean points of attack.
Speaker 2:It's wonderful. Make an album like that, my nigga. How about that? So you?
Speaker 1:don't think he's capable.
Speaker 2:Outside of these diss tracks, and the diss tracks are dope, so I'm not trying to make it seem like they're not. They not like us as a banger. I'm not taking anything away from the record. It's a banger.
Speaker 1:I love the record. Huh, it's the song of the year.
Speaker 2:Okay, AG.
Speaker 1:Name a song better than that this year, better, better, yeah, that's done more and it's better, like just all across the board done more and better are two different things oh, which we're gonna get to that? That's another topic, but real quick so done more and better.
Speaker 2:Done more and better are two different things the combination of both the pete rock and common records are better than not like us like if we're like talking in a vacuum. Saturday night special is better in a vacuum right.
Speaker 1:I even think that family matters could be argued as being better and out of all the discs, 616 in la is my favorite. Not like that's not even my favorite, but what?
Speaker 2:it's not my favorite either, but it's the best song of the battle yeah, it's galvanized the whole coast behind this.
Speaker 1:It's like a mantra, the whole not like us thing, so um you want to talk about huh?
Speaker 2:where the fuck is the album all?
Speaker 1:right. But let me ask you this I've heard you talk a lot about you was in cali when game dropped the documentary right and then the temperature in cali was crazy. It's big. How do you think it is in Cali right this minute?
Speaker 2:No, I've had Cali niggas hit me and be like yo Coop, he's united the coast and I'm like that's awesome. They're like it hadn't been like this since pretty much since I lived out there. I'm not taking any of that away from him. If we're having a music conversation, this was an OG concert because you didn't perform any new material outside of the disses, so 90 of the material is 7 to 15 years old, correct? Is that not an og concert? Yeah, let's juxtapose that to I don't know a king's disease concert, where we had somebody like anaz actually perform all his old stuff and all his current stuff. You want to know why? Because the old shit slaps and so does the new shit. Where's the new shit, ag?
Speaker 1:yeah, he split that in half.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm saying nobody says in half, because he has it to split in half yeah, nobody said this was nas at the garden. I ain't, I ain't going to rap, but what I'm saying is is that when a rapper has it, he shares it with his audience and with the people and you're telling me that he's in LA uniting the coast and there's no new records and there's no Mr Morale records.
Speaker 2:So what I'm trying to get people to understand is did Kendrick win the battle? Yes, he did. Is Not Like Us a banger? Yes, it is, I like. Not Like Us. I think it's a dope-ass record. Mustard ain't had a fucking hit since we was kids. It's great. I'm happy for everybody. I said it. It's not crazy, it's the fucking truth. It's not crazy, it's the truth.
Speaker 1:Them LMA hits was just a handful of years ago, bro, don't do that.
Speaker 2:The what hits.
Speaker 1:The LMA. You know the records Name. The records name the records.
Speaker 1:Name the records boot up is like a massive hit, bro. That was like a handful of years ago. Man don't do that. But Mad Max agrees with you on something though. We got $2 super chat, says N95, silent Hill, shrug, but they whack songs too. And then he pointed those out saying that they all whack. Mad Max, with the $2 super chat, again said Agreed, coop, this. Why you, my mans? He laughing at your takes about Kendrick. But let me ask you this Coop before we switch gears into another KDOT topic.
Speaker 2:Oh, no, I'm not done. I'm not done with this topic. I would like somebody to explain to me explain to me, with a rapper who is quote unquote on fire, the way that he's on fire right now from winning this battle, correct?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And the only songs that you have to perform in the last seven years are diss records. You don't think that that's just a little bit suspect AG Like as a music listener? You don't think that that's suspect at all that he doesn't want to play any records from the last seven years, except for the disc records that got him back in this notoriety phase again well to answer that.
Speaker 1:I agree with that. That's a point because I said I don't think he wanted to dive into the Mr Morale records because of the tone of those don't match going with the disc records.
Speaker 2:But for the new you said he didn't preview anything new but he didn't preview anything new, right?
Speaker 1:So how long of a window do you got, because the disc records have just came out within the past month.
Speaker 2:How much has it been? More than a month AG we going on 60 days.
Speaker 1:Them records a couple months old now Approaching two months, so how much of a one day are you talking about we approaching three months ag we don't wait for 13. Yeah, you're probably right. Yeah, because, um, yeah, I think the last, the last record in the battle dropped a month ago, so it's like ag we.
Speaker 2:We often talk about this climate and how fast things move right. These records are approaching 90 days old. Now, if he can get in the studio and record an EP of diss tracks in like I don't know like a couple days or a week or whatever, where the fuck is the album, ag, if the songs are slapping? Don't tell me that you're just going to the studio to record diss records for Drake. You're going to the studio and recording other songs to make an album, or at least you should be, because even on an old school time schedule, well, you're two, two and a half years to make an album is up. It seems to me like he's extending this process with these types of shows and this type of unification, and really monetizing and benefiting from the battle.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you, where is the music, though? Because if the music was there, if the music was there with the last album like everybody else that called me a hater if Mr Morale was so great, he would have performed some of those songs. Not about the tone, ag. If the quality of record is there, you can perform any song, no matter the tone. Dmx used to go into prayer after performing songs about robbing niggas violently. It doesn't matter about the tone, when the record is there, when the artist is there, when they got shit that you can feel he didn't perform anything for Mr Morale because those songs suck. Like I've been saying, he didn't perform any new music. That's not a diss record because it's not there. So this was just the greatest hits collection show. I'm glad he unified.
Speaker 1:That's what the concert is. I love cali. That's crazy. The concert is greatest hits every time, every time no, no, it's not ag.
Speaker 2:I don't know how many shows I've been to where artists have previewed new music. Part of the reason why you go back on tour is usually to get back into the cycle to produce new music. Is he back in the cycle, that's?
Speaker 1:not the foundation of shows, because you want the audience to be able to participate with you on the records. Everybody's not going to premiere new music at a concert when the audience can't get into it. They might vibe to it, but nobody's going to do a whole show of just straight records.
Speaker 2:But if he's hotter than fish, grease, like you say, ag name a better time to do with them when you're in la.
Speaker 1:I think you still dropped in 2024. I think he drops this year listen.
Speaker 2:Did he not just perform in la on juneteenth after winning this battle and perform a diss record five times? Did all of those things happen? Right, but then there should be some new music somewhere, you don't think? You don't think it's a little strange that we didn't get any new music, or any, mr morale?
Speaker 1:if we're going to rewind history a little bit, people said the same thing one record. People said the same thing for a super bowl performance. They got kind of, you know, nervous like okay, we're not getting the album because he didn't preview anything new. But the album came later that year, did it not ag it?
Speaker 2:did come later that year, did it not AG? It did come later that year and it's the worst fucking thing he ever made in his life. You're making my point. For me, the music still doesn't sound like it's there. If he's not dissing Drake, I still don't think that the music is there right now, because I don't have any evidence to the contrary. Can you give me some evidence to this show?
Speaker 1:All right, the records that he's making right now? Do you think he's dropping in 24, yes or no?
Speaker 2:I don't think he has a choice.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you're saying he doesn't have a choice with the music to come, but you're saying it's not coming.
Speaker 2:I'm saying the music isn't there, like the records aren't good.
Speaker 1:We don't know until we hear those, but I see that you're going to down this hill with maul and act ag ag, you just said it yourself.
Speaker 2:We got nervous when he did the super bowl and didn't perform anything new, and then he came out a couple months later and dropped the worst album of his career by far.
Speaker 3:So there is a template.
Speaker 2:So there is a template even with him that when he does something like this, that means the music is not there.
Speaker 1:I don't think history repeats itself this time. Let me get these a couple of super chats. Mad Max said, drake said his pick on dot wall when dot cook up. And you know he, that bar was to all of them. Weekend like future Metro. That bar was to all of them. Weekend like Future Metro, that bar was for all of them. Mad Max, again with the $2 super chat. Appreciate it, it's clear Drake's, it's Dot's muse, it's obvious. You know, we'll be able to tell you know what I'm saying. So I just don't think that. Well, I'll get to that in a minute. Mad Max with another $2 super chat Fake Hebrew behind closed doors, a lot of six-guy worshiping, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:Okay, AG, am I wrong when I say this? He don't have no hot records the last seven years where he's not talking about Drake. Is that correct or is that incorrect?
Speaker 1:I'd say incorrect, because I think it's some good records on Mr Morales. I mean, it's not like us type bangers.
Speaker 2:They're not on there, but 895 is a dope record. Hold on If it's not worthy of him. Think about it. When is he ever going to be more comfortable than in LA on Juneteenth? If those records were good like you say, he would have performed them.
Speaker 1:But that argument, that door swings both ways, because you can use that argument for anything. He didn't perform backseat freestyle, he didn't. You know what I'm saying? And that's one of his best records. So you want to say he didn't perform it because it's trash.
Speaker 2:First of all, backseat Freestyle. When you're saying one of his best records, I'm not sure where that would fall. You think Backseat Freestyle is one of his 20 best records?
Speaker 1:Absolutely no question.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, absolutely. I mean I love Backseat Freestyle. Shout out the hit. I don't even know if it's a top five song on that album. That's my favorite Hit-Boy beat. To be honest, I love the beat, but I don't even know if it's a top five song on a legendary album.
Speaker 1:But even if it's not that's the whole point you can't say just because it didn't make the set list that it's trash. You know what I mean. I just don't think the Mr Morale stuff fit the vibe or the tone of the show. Hey, look here.
Speaker 2:Nas didn't perform the Stillmatic intro in the garden. That might be the best intro he ever did in his career. When you've got a bag, you've got a bag. I'm not saying Kendrick doesn't have a bag, I'm just saying it's an old bag. And all I'm saying is, if you're telling me, yeah, that's right, old bag, and what you're telling me- I've seen Nas four times and two out of those four times he did a still batting intro.
Speaker 2:He didn't do that shit in the garden though, because he's got a bag that's my whole point and when you're in your bag you get to pick and choose. So I'm not saying he doesn't have records to pick and choose from. He could perform all on Good Kid Mad City. I would be totally thrilled with it. But, objectively speaking, other than these diss records, we still don't have any evidence or proof that this guy is still capable of making a quality rap album, because the last album fucking sucked to the point that he didn't even perform it in LA. If he was ever going to get a hall pass for performing those records in front of a black audience, that was just it and he didn't. You want to know why? Because those records outside of the drake, this records, aren't good. So it's like if you got a disc drizzy, it's a motherfucking. They call him freaky ass nigga. He is 69, got like if you gotta do that five times.
Speaker 2:No ag, if you gotta do that five times to make people think that you're hot. You're not as hot as people saying that you are. You're only as hot as your music is and your album is, and this record who's that?
Speaker 1:who's that? To please like fans like you. That's not gonna give him credit regardless. I mean that doesn't behoove him to do that. That's like saying uh jay and kanye doing uh ends in paris 11 times. They did that because they don't have a bag. They probably got combined. If you combine their catalogs, that's one of the best bags in history. But they did that song 11 times still.
Speaker 2:So that point that you got was the whole of America. They were in Paris when they did it. Ag, it's not the same thing.
Speaker 1:Not Like Us is a West Coast record. Everything about it is West Coast.
Speaker 2:I just told you I don't have a problem with Not Like Us. It's a great record. It's the best record.
Speaker 1:You have a problem with him doing it five times though.
Speaker 2:No, it's not even the doing it five times. It's the doing it five times and not previewing any new music. Fuck his new music.
Speaker 1:So if he previews one new song, your whole opinion changes at his performance.
Speaker 2:If it was a good song, yes, but we don't even know. Hold on, hold on, listen to this. Oh, when he made good kid mad city, oh, he was previewing songs, ag. When he made to pimp a butterfly previewing songs, ag. When he made damn, previewing songs ag. When he made mr morale, ag, no preview. Right now no preview. So I go off of what the patternized behavior is, not just because I know that you can dis a nigga who, who, and this is what I'm saying. Niggas always want credit for doing what they were supposed to do. He's a better mc than drake. He was supposed to win this battle, he was but okay, why is everybody?
Speaker 2:why no, no, no, ag. Why is everybody running around acting like he took down, like a prime rock M or a prime Nas? You're the guy that's supposed to be a prime Rock M or a prime Nas, not the other guy. You were supposed to beat that guy. You did what you were supposed to do. Niggas always want credit. It's like Chris Rock said Niggas always want credit for doing the shit that they're supposed to do. Like I take care of my kids, you're I take care of my kids. You supposed to take care of your kids. I pay my bills. You supposed to pay your bills, nigga, I beat Drake, aren't you the better MC?
Speaker 1:He proved that he's the best of this generation, but he made an all-time in my opinion, an all-time performance last night. But speaking of patternized behavior, I appreciate and respect the fact that you're going to keep down on this hill Coop, that you ain't pivoting.
Speaker 2:You're standing on your square, coop. Hey, this next album better be fucking good. Ag, it's you small act. Ag. If this next album is even just average, I'm going to drag all of you for supporting this bullshit. I want a great album from a great MC. I just said he was top 15 all time If it's great you got to intro.
Speaker 2:You got to intro. Hey, guess what, guess what? If I was worried about it, I wouldn't be talking this shit. I've been following hip hop my whole life. Ag. I ain't never seen an artist this big, with this type of moment and this type of platform and this type of opportunity, who, quote, unquote, is supposed to be in the studio and it's time to drop new music and not one fucking song. So we'll see, but right now I think he's still in the lab working because the shit that he'd been making outside of this and Drake ain't been it, just like Mr Morale.
Speaker 1:How about that I think your album is coming, but I think Not Like Us will be on the album. To push it, if I'm being honest, I think that will be on the album. We got a couple of super chats Mad Max with the $2 super chat Even his fits whack outside of the. Oh, even his features are whack outside of the. Drake disses Kendrick is not a feature-heavy artist. I think that's one thing holds them back from moving up the list, because you don't have enough all-time great features. Let's see. And we got a $5 Super Chat from Ill Magic. I'll say it again Dot's best hit and performance album is Damn.
Speaker 2:I'm not mad at that tape Performance-wise. As far as songs made to be performed live, I agree with that Damn.
Speaker 1:Good Kid. Mad City is better overall, but Damn is the, you know. Definitely made for live performance.
Speaker 2:DNA, loyalty, love, those are made for live. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Ill Magic with the $5 super chat. Many of others who prefer Good Kid, mad City and To Pimp a Butterfly often find ourselves returned to Damn. Even I catch myself rapping along to Dots Versus versus the hooks from them. Yeah, damn is all around. Great album man, it's super.
Speaker 2:I'm sure Now listen, notice, I didn't say that the show was bad. I'm just saying, if this is his moment and this is his opportunity and he is, quote unquote, reseized his throne Cause you cause, you cause, you're not the man when you only make one album in seven years. That's never happened in rap, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I respect that you always find an angle.
Speaker 2:Coop. When has somebody dropped one album in seven years in this climate and we say that's the man? When? When the fuck we start handing out this hall pass? This is what I be talking about, about how this is the worst fucking fan base in the history of rap. You're the dallas cowboys of rap fans. You suck. I hope all the bad things in life happen to you and this fan base.
Speaker 1:It's terrible you're waving the flag on the hill man.
Speaker 2:It's great this man has made one album in seven years. That album sucked and people are walking around calling him king because he dissed somebody who he was supposed to be was supposed to win, hey, but we're supposed to, but a lot, of, a lot of us like pick drake in the battle.
Speaker 1:A lot of us pick drake in the battle, though I mean to be honest, he was supposed to win, but I picked drake.
Speaker 2:You want to know. I picked drake because I don't trust a guy that hasn't made a good product in seven years. I literally said this while this was going on and I said this to you. I said these are the best songs that he's made in seven years. All of these diss records are better than everything on Mr Morale and the Mid-States. You didn't say that. I said that Because it's the truth. Outside of these disses, he hasn't made any good rap songs in seven years.
Speaker 1:Would you bet your house on it?
Speaker 2:and this is your king, would you bet your house on? It that he ain't gonna come out with no good records after this. Not okay. Anytime somebody do this day, here's what I'll give you. That's funny. Here's what I'll give you do. I think that he's gonna have some good records hold on.
Speaker 2:Do I think he'll have some good records on this upcoming album, as opposed to Mr Moran, which doesn't have any good records? Yes, I do. Do I think the album's going to be good? No, I don't, and I'll say it right now, and for the way that y'all are talking and campaigning for his ass, ooh, this album better be great. It better not be anything less than stellar. I'm going to pull back up on y'all like hmm.
Speaker 1:We'll find out soon enough.
Speaker 3:All right.
Speaker 1:Jermaine L Johnson with the $2 Superchase. I hate it when artists premiere new songs on stage. I don't know about that take. I like it when they premiere new stuff.
Speaker 2:Jermaine. I love you brother. Nobody asked you all that fam Didn't. Nobody ask you that fam Didn't. Nobody ask you that. I'm making a very valid point. Am I wrong for anything that I'm saying? Ag.
Speaker 1:I like the balance, the new stuff with the classic material.
Speaker 2:No, I'm talking about all his albums that were great. He previewed music. The one album that wasn't great no preview. Guess what we still got right now we don't have no preview. I don't even think he has a title for the album.
Speaker 1:HE, yeah, if you're talking about like yeah, just as far as how the albums were laid out, yeah, it was previews for the other albums.
Speaker 2:I don't even think he has an album title yet. He's had two and a half years from the last album in seven years altogether.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he might just now be cooking up. To be honest, andrew Williams, with the $5.
Speaker 2:He's just now cooking up. This battle been done for two months and he's just now cooking up.
Speaker 1:I don't think he had anything before the battle. This battle might be what licked the spark.
Speaker 2:The cake should be baked by now.
Speaker 1:I don't know about all that. Kendrick is somebody that takes a while to make records. Anyway, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Two months no.
Speaker 1:Two months for a whole album.
Speaker 2:Did you just say it takes him a while To make records. You literally, just earlier in this episode, admitted to the fact that he made a whole EP of this record In like a couple days.
Speaker 1:That's a built-in concept. Those records write themselves most of the time.
Speaker 2:Say it again. It's a built-in concept, the records write themselves most of the time. Say it again. It's a built-in concept, the records write themselves. So when he has to dig in his own bag, what does that look like? The last seven years.
Speaker 1:So you're saying he should have an album done within these past two months.
Speaker 2:If he is who y'all say he is, the album should be practically done. You know, everybody don't work at that pace. He's had two months. What the fuck else does he have to do with his time? He's a recording artist.
Speaker 1:He's teaching his son how to pray. No, all right, andrew is with the $5 super chat.
Speaker 2:Who are we praying to? Cause? That's which is every album. Who are we praying to? That's which is every album. Who the nigga pray to? Who are we praying?
Speaker 1:Who he praying to this time? Andrew Williams with the $5 Super Chain. He said them LMA records were like that Coop, don't do that. That booed up at Trip. Yeah, trip was dope too. That was fire.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give him the LMA joint Name me some rap records, since y'all want to be funny, since y'all like when y'all got to bring up LMA, I win, because this is called Hip Pop Talks.
Speaker 1:Jermaine Johnson with the $2 Super Chat. How long ago was Drake's last great album? That's a good question, jermaine.
Speaker 2:Johnson. Drake's last great album nigga.
Speaker 1:Neck and neck, uncle Frank, with the $5 Super Chat, appreciate it, coop. They were recording the video for the song too, and they needed multiple shots. That's why they did it five times. That's my first time hearing that, so the footage from the concert is going to be part of the video.
Speaker 2:That'd be dope. Hey, look here. I've never seen an artist this great live off one record like he's living off this record right now, and I mean that shit.
Speaker 1:And Jermaine Johnson with another $2 super chat. Appreciate the love man he says. I was at MSG when Hov and Ye did Paris Four at times. That's what's up and I think that's all the super chat, so closing this.
Speaker 2:Hold on, hold on. You want some context, ag. I'm about to give you some context. When Ice Cube made no Vaseline oh, he had Death Certificate no Vaseline's not even the best song on the album. When Jay had the Takeover, he had the Blueprint. It's not even the best song on the album. When Nas had Ether not the best song on the album. So when they're going out and performing those records, there's other records that they have that show that they're in rare form.
Speaker 1:I'm glad you brought up that point. Where are these other records that show that he's in rare form, right?
Speaker 2:that's why I'm glad you brought up that point, because that where are these other records that to show that he's in rare form? Or is he just dissing drake?
Speaker 1:no, I'm glad. No, I agree with that. I agree with that point because a lot of people are calling this the greatest battle of all time. Um, from a notoriety standpoint it may be, but you know from the point that you said that kendrick was supposed to win. If you're talking about top tier opponent and top tier opponent, jay-z and nas going at each other was the pinnacle. That was the most evenly matched, high profile battle one. It wasn't just for who was the best of that era. Big and pop was gone. Jay-z and nas was for goat talk like hip-hop supremacy so that's another one like number one correct.
Speaker 1:so that's why I got to put Jay-Z and Nas over this. And then the third and final reason I don't put any diss track between either Drake or Kendrick over Takeover or Ether. They reign supreme to me and they had classic albums attached to both of those records.
Speaker 2:There we go, ag. So now you're seeing what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not saying I'm not saying that the diss tracks aren't legendary. I'm saying where is the other legendary material that is usually attached to when artists make all-time great diss records? You know, you know about the last time drake made a great album, about the, when he did back to back. You know, I mean like you can go look at the best disc records ever and go listen to the albums that came before or after those disc records, or with those disc records. It's some of their best stuff. Where is the rest of the stuff? He is not a battle rapper, he is an MC, he is a content driven. He is a content driven and storytelling type of artist. Where are the rest of the records? Ag?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he would be a fool to not take advantage of this rhythm. So those records do have to come. I'm in agreeance with that. They better be great.
Speaker 2:They better be great for how much smoke I've been taking.
Speaker 1:It'll probably be better than that Rakim, but Ill Magic with the $2 super chat said if, doc, you don't have any evidence or proof that that's going to happen.
Speaker 2:You don't have any proof.
Speaker 1:I think K-Dot's featured on that album too, while you're playing Ill Magic with the $2, super Chat and the rest of Black Hippie, if Doc Battle saw how to Prince who's winning, who you got, koo.
Speaker 2:Battle, as in they're rhyming back and forth like live or like we're doing, like the song for song things however, you want to take it who you got now kendrick is a superior song maker than saha.
Speaker 2:Okay, so people have to understand this too. What makes a battle good is when there is some genuine angst and animosity between the two characters. Drake and Kendrick don't like each other. This has been bubbling for years. Jay and Nas have been taking shots at each other on record for years. Ice Cube literally got fucked over by Eazy-E and as soon as he made it big, went in attack mode about it. Common felt disrespected by Ice Cube. Mobb Deep felt disrespected by Tupac. Tupac felt disrespected by Tupac. Tupac felt disrespected by Like you get what I'm saying. You get your best diss records when there's actually some genuine animosity, and so you don't really know how it's going to go. So when we do these hypothetical rap battle things, it's the intangible things that make for the battle, though, so we really don't know how it would go.
Speaker 1:Something would have to happen that creates some animus between them, and that's why I disagree with Sean's take of Kendrick and Cole being the better rap battle than the Kendrick and Drake thing, because those guys actually mess with each other and I don't think it would have got out of pocket. You know what I'm saying. So that would have been a friendly fate.
Speaker 2:Like I said, when Cole and Kendrick didn't battle, we missed our Kane and Rakim opportunity. This is two times this shit has happened.
Speaker 1:Lyrically it would have been dope, but it wasn't no animosity there. Matt Max with the $2 Super Chase, that first half of Scorpion and HH Psy was his last great one. What's HH Psy? I'm not sure what album that would be. And then Cam Cobain with a $2 super chat says in my Shannon Sharp voice oh go, kendrick, it's top 15. He's about to go.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you want from me. How about this? Do you think Common is lyrically better than Kendrick?
Speaker 1:What's that you already know, yeah can you see me?
Speaker 2:I can see you now. Do you think Common is lyrically better than Kendrick? Yes, do you think he has a better catalog?
Speaker 1:It's close, but yes.
Speaker 2:Is Common in your top 10 all-time.
Speaker 1:No top 15. So how the hell is kendrick the goat? Well, I don't. I don't have him as a goat, but I think I mean people just need to be objective.
Speaker 2:It's like he hasn't even surpassed people like common. Like I said, he still is another album away from ascending to the territory that y'all are talking about. Now, if this next album is like that and he ascends to that territory, we will have this conversation, but this battle is not taking him all the way to the top and I'm not about to hand out hall passes and make it seem like it is. He needs an album that's great, like I told you. He needs an album that's great. Like I told you. He needs an album better than damn and more listenable than to pimp a butterfly to have some top 10 talk um, for me.
Speaker 1:For me he cracked the top 10, but he was already at 11 or 12. So if you move up one to two spots, I mean that's all he moved up to me with this battle do you have him ahead of Tupac and Ice Cube?
Speaker 2:Hell, no, do you have him?
Speaker 1:ahead of Nas. No, no, pac is number four for me, and Ice Cube is number nine.
Speaker 2:So it's not better than Nas. You got him ahead of Big.
Speaker 1:No, big's number three for me.
Speaker 2:Jay, Two Ice Cube Pac right. So we just named five, Right.
Speaker 1:And I also got Jadakiss in there, Scarface KRS-One, maybe you got him ahead of KRS Come on, we had our KRS talk. I got Rakim Scarface Jadakiss. How many am I above 2.8?
Speaker 2:Right there, yeah, you think he's better than Ghostface.
Speaker 1:I won't put the Wu members in my top 10 individually. I just like them better as a group. That's just a personal preference of mine.
Speaker 2:The only spot you're in the group with their best albums or their solo albums, outside of Into the Wu-Tang. No, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1:No, listen, I'll tell you this the only place he leapfrogged was Lil Wayne in this battle. And then I demoted Andre 3000 out of my top 10 because we're never getting a solo album for him.
Speaker 2:First of all, I don't have him ahead of Wayne. I don't have him a guy that's ahead of Wayne in common, who were right outside my top 10, and that's why I gave him top 15. Like, if you want to, if you want to go as far as to put him ahead of a red man, a method man, a jada kiss, a black thought, I'm okay with that. But I'm not okay with putting him ahead of rock him or KRS-One well, I think 10 to 15 is kind of splitting hairs.
Speaker 1:That's not disrespectful. If I say I got somebody at the 10 spot and you say they're number 14 or 15, when we're talking about all time, I think that's splitting hairs. I don't think that's disrespectful.
Speaker 2:I respectfully have him. Probably it's time to do another Top 25 MC list. That's what really this battle did. It's time to do another Top 25 MC list because I like having rational debates about what really matters. And here's what really matters your lyric. He's not a better he doesn't have a better catalog than KRS-One. He's not better on stage than KRS-One. He wouldn't beat KRS-One in a battle. Krs-one would wipe the floor with him.
Speaker 1:Well, let me ask you this, Kud You're not better than KRS-One no. You're a KD fan. Right, I got KD in top 15. But would it be?
Speaker 2:crazy for somebody to say he's towards the bottom of the top 10?. Bottom of the top 10? Respectfully, yes, the only guy that I have in my top 10 that has two rings, I think, is Akeem and Wilt. Like people don't understand that if Bill Russell doesn't, doesn't exist, will chamberlain is the greatest player of all time, and that includes michael jordan, because we'll probably have about six, seven, eight rings plus all those numbers if bill russell doesn't exist. So it's like is katie? Is katie ahead of kobe? To you? No, absolutely not. Is he ahead of a keen?
Speaker 2:no tim duncan no larry bird no. Lebron james no. Magic johnson no. Michael jordan no. Kareem abdul jabbar no will trouble, will chamberlain bill russell? Well then, they get 11.
Speaker 1:I just named 10 people right, but that's what I'm saying. Like, if you got somebody in the top 15, putting them at the 10 spot is not far-fetched. If I would have said one of those players, if I would have said a yes, because all of those- are not far-fetched.
Speaker 2:So let's take the KD and Kendrick analogy a step further. If KD wins another ring like if he can win another ring, there you go that third ring. Oh no, we're having a different talk. Like if he can win another ring, there you go, that third ring. Oh no, we have any difference off. Same thing with kendrick's next album. My g, I was saying the same thing with kendrick's next album. So and this is me and you know how, but this is what I mean when I say I'm objective oh no, you know, everybody knows I'm the biggest kd fan. It's like only person I'm putting him ahead of that people argue with me about is steph. And that's just because they both were in their prime and played together and one guy was clearly the best player on the team and it wasn't fucking steph well, let me ask you this.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you thought about this, but is kendrick on your mount rushmore for the west coast mcs?
Speaker 2:at this point. Yes, I think that's. I think I think that that's a fair conversation to have. I would say. I would tell you that my mount rushmore of west coast mcs, my easy three is going to be snoop, cube and pop yep, and so if you're telling me that he fills that fourth slot, I'm okay with him filling that fourth slot.
Speaker 1:So yes, absolutely, but game is not far off.
Speaker 2:Game is not far off, though. No game deserves some consideration, right, but Kendrick, just like KD, is another ring away from having top 10 talk, because right now, he's the third greatest small forward of all time and there are two guys in the top 10 better than him and that's lebron and that's larry bird.
Speaker 2:Now understand that could be argued. You could argue dr j, dr j had moses malone. He won his. Yeah, he had moses malone, he had moses malone when moses malone was making all nba first team over kareem ad has stuff, so I mean, that goes both ways you know that's fair.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, that's totally fair. Larry Bird had Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish and Dennis Johnson and Danny Ainge and Bill Walton One of the greatest teams 86 Celtics is one of the greatest teams ever man Top five team. Maybe top three? Yep, yeah, wasn't nobody beating the 86 Celtics?
Speaker 1:But moving on to the um, there's another quick kendrick topic. Did you see that about um uh k, the k dot bots? You're gonna call them k bots or whatever. Did you see that?
Speaker 1:I try not to okay, you know we'll just touch on it quickly, like it was uh, anthony selay, kendrick's manager, is supposed to be receipts out there that he had paid a deposit of twenty five hundred dollars for 30 million streams on Not Like Us, so paying bots for, you know, to stream that song a little bit extra. So what are your thoughts on that, if that's confirmed as true?
Speaker 2:I'd like to decline to comment on that, based on some ties that we have.
Speaker 1:I'll comment on it. My thing is this one of the biggest downfalls of fans is that we have selective outrage.
Speaker 2:Right, because I see a lot of selective outrage and memory right, right. So, like a nigga who ain't dropped a hot album in seven years that everybody keeps calling king, select the bad memory we off that.
Speaker 1:But I see a lot of drake fans. They want to own the drake. Fans want to turn a blind eye to the you know the ghost writer and then the reference tracks, but then want to point this out about you know kendrick and the uh streams, and then vice versa.
Speaker 1:My biggest thing is this like I've always been of the thought process that all the big time artists have streaming bots, because it's no different than the era that we came in, we knew that labels was paying radio uh stations for spins. We knew that radio um, I'm in. We knew that labels was paying radio stations for spins. We knew that radio I'm sorry. We knew that record labels was buying massive amounts of CDs to run up those first week numbers. So I don't look at this as any different. I wouldn't be surprised if it were revealed that Taylor Swift has streaming bots, or as much as she said, or even Drake. Drake just reached a hundred billion streams and he's the first artist to do that. So when that news came out, I was kind of like I assume that they all did it anyway, to be honest, because if you got the money to pay, they're going to pay to play.
Speaker 2:That's just how I look at it, ag. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying, so I'm not going to knock the hustle. You ain't cheating, you ain't trying, so I'm not going to knock you a hustle. You ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
Speaker 1:My cousin says that like every other day, bro you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
Speaker 2:You're not trying hard enough. If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying to run the game. You ain't trying to run game with nobody, no type of way. You ain't cheating. You ain't trying my G Like. So I actually don't have any problem with it. If that's how he got his streams, I really don't give a damn, because you want to know what he's doing, operating the way everybody else operates.
Speaker 2:Now there are artists who we're big fans of who don't stream like that, and we wonder why they don't stream like that, and my comment to that is usually well, they're not playing the same games that other people play, as in, they're not trying to cheat because their legacy is already secure. Certain people are out here trying to secure their legacy still. So if you're telling me that Drake has got streaming farms, if you're telling me KDOT's manager has put up a couple G's for some streams, no, I really don't give a shit. To be honest with you, I'm not going to knock the hustle. These are the days and times that we live in. These are the games we play. To quote Pusha T, these are the games we play. Right, Like Pusha T also said them, numbers ain't real without information.
Speaker 1:Numbers on the board. So before we go on to the next topic and switch gears, I forgot to mention this when we were talking about the LL Q-Tip record. Did you hear the record with Eminem Murdergram? What'd you think about that?
Speaker 2:real quick. I liked it. But I heard it's not making the album.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not sure if it's on Em's record or if it's on LL's record, but I like that.
Speaker 2:I prefer it for Em's album.
Speaker 1:The vibe would be better for Em's album and LL was keeping pace rhyming right alongside him, so I think it was dope.
Speaker 2:This is what I mean. How about this?
Speaker 1:you got kendrick ahead of ll, yes, but ll still top 15. How? By what metric he's better? Better lyricist, better conceptually, um got more conceptually you that's.
Speaker 2:That's not good enough. It's not good enough.
Speaker 1:You don't think Kendrick's a better conceptual writer than LL?
Speaker 2:No, Somebody being a better conceptual writer has never been part of this greatest MC of all time conversation.
Speaker 1:Oh no, that's crazy, because that's one of the reasons why I have Nas as the GOAT.
Speaker 2:It's not Okay. We know that Nas is a great conceptual writer writer. It's the fact that we have these songs to back up the writing conception kendrick's best writing conceptual records. They're not fucking with ll's best shit, they're not does ll have a?
Speaker 1:how much a dollar cost?
Speaker 2:no, he doesn't, but very few people do, I think. Does ll have a duck word objective coupon on first of all you're talking about? Okay? So this is what I mean about how ll's best is better than kendrick's best. That's, that's what kendrick does best, right? Yeah, absolutely okay. Does kendrick have a rock the bells or jingling baby AG?
Speaker 1:No, but it all depends on what you value more that's.
Speaker 2:That's the stuff that I value, you know what I mean, that's what I'm saying, for me, see, I value the operation of the song in the canonized nature of this society, of this hip hop culture and society. So what I'm saying, that I say, is, is that, do I love how much a dollar costs? Personally, like, how about this? This is one of the few. How much a dollar costs is one of the few records that I heard. It's like oh, I don't know if naz and rakim could have pulled that off. That's how much I think of that record.
Speaker 1:No, that's good, that's good, but I said I don't I said I don't know, as in like a mark of respect, of how high quality the record is yeah, I think, I think that record is in the vein of what naz or Lupe would bring to the table. But yeah, I hold that record very high.
Speaker 2:But what I'm saying is is is that if we're having a conversation about the greatest MC of all time and you're going to how much a dollar costs and I got jingling baby and rock the bells I'm telling you, in this culture you lose.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because you're naming all time great songs. But you asked me I you said why do I? That's why.
Speaker 2:I hold high.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I'm not looking at the pantheon of great hip-hop records. I'm looking at what I hold high, Like for me in my head, like the 2K Sliders. You know what I'm saying. My love is for conceptual MCs. That slider has to be all the way up for me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So here's how I look at it. Ag, it's like okay, so Kendrick has LL beat on the albums, right?
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:LL has Kendrick beat on the songs right.
Speaker 1:LL has damn near everybody beat on the songs if we're being real.
Speaker 2:You're talking about Kendrick. He got Kendrick beat on the songs though. Right yeah, for sure, okay, kendrick beat on the voice, yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't like Kendrick's voice.
Speaker 2:Now who more important to this culture All time, LL or Kendrick?
Speaker 1:You asking me, I say LL, but it's hard to say what these fans will say out here nowadays.
Speaker 2:They're the worst fan base ever. They don't deserve any fucking credit. Nobody asked them. I asked you. Nobody asked these fucking.
Speaker 1:We need the ticker at the bottom to talk about. You know, kendrick fans are like the Cowboys fans, so we're gonna get off the. Kendrick topic.
Speaker 2:We're gonna switch gears. You're the worst fanbase ever. Nobody likes you.
Speaker 1:Speaking of fanbases and hip-hop, did you see Cam'ron's opinion on Jay's love for hip-hop? Did you see Cam'ron's opinion on Jay's love for hip-hop compared to Nas's?
Speaker 2:I did. I found it to be fascinating.
Speaker 1:Very astute point but Very astute.
Speaker 2:How about this? What he was low-key saying? Jay loves money more than he loves hip-hop. Nas loves hip-hop more than he loves money. Absolutely Right.
Speaker 1:And to your point. Were you going to touch some more on that?
Speaker 2:No, I'm going to let you touch it, then I'm going to touch it again, back and forth. Pause. Damn, it's crazy, like Sean's here. Inappropriate nature of that. I'd like to apologize. I've been talking to sean too much.
Speaker 1:I've been spending too much time with that nigga like that's wild but yo, but but uh anyway what I meant to say, okay but, um, I think that it wasn't surprising, but I think the way he worded it was very astute. And I don't want to say for the slow people, but you know, for the people who have a hard time articulating the difference between the two of them. You know I believe people, but you know for the people who have a hard time articulating the difference between the two of them. You know I believe that statement. You know that saying that says if somebody tells you who they are, believe them right. Jay jay has gave us everything we need to know about him in the music is right there. You know he's not a rapper, he's a hustler. You know he's been a capitalist since day one.
Speaker 2:Right, ag. The intro to volume one should tell you oh God, here he comes. The intro to volume one should tell you all that you need to know about Jay man. Look at these suckers. Yeah, I'm not a rapper, I'm a hustler.
Speaker 1:It just so happens that I know how to rap Correct and he pointed it out, and I don't think Jay would even take offense to that statement because, you're right, that is his ethos and he's become a billionaire off that ethos and the way Cam'ron worded it. I don't think it was disrespectful to Jay by any means. He's just pointing out what he sees.
Speaker 2:It's actual and it's factual AG. And here's the thing about it when he's saying it, let's not get it misconstrued. Oh, jay is a head amongst heads. He's a head amongst heads. He's just not Nas when it comes to being a head and having a love. What has enabled, like what did he say? I must be crazy. What did he say on Speechless? I must be crazy. Giving you bars and still running companies? Right? So Jay's the type of person the more companies that he's ran and the more different types of company he keeps. The bars have suffered from it, yeah, but because Nas loves it more inherently. It's how you're designed. That's a good word.
Speaker 2:So this isn't a detraction to Jay, because Nas inherently loves the game more than Jay has. And it's hard to say that because Jay is one hip-hop-loving rapping-ass nigga Nas. When it comes to that level of love, nas' level of love is different, as in he just financed and ran six projects because he loves to rap.
Speaker 1:He's a gold child. He lives it, he breathes it, everything. But with Jay I like the point that you made. It's not like he doesn't love it, right? Because did you see that footage I don't know if it was the BET Awards or it was something where they did the hip-hop tribute and they had all the legends like Kane and stuff, on stage and Jay-Z was like a fan in the crowd, like up mouthing every word, like bobbing to all the legends.
Speaker 2:Oh, jay is ill. That's what I mean. Yeah, hearing me rap is like hearing Cool G rapping his prime. I seen the same shit happen to Kane three cuts in your eyebrow trying to wild out. Ain't nobody been this raw since Eric B and Rakim came through the door. Respect me and this bitch, so he knows his shit. He's a, like I said, he's a head amongst heads. It's just that Nas is head and above shoulders, above everybody else and also too, this is what I mean the love is different. Kane is taking Jay on tour. Main Source is taking Nas on tour, but Nas is sneaking in the studio with Large pro to hear Cool G Rap's album and to hear Rakim's album. That's different.
Speaker 1:If Nas was a ball player, he would be the gym rat guy yes, he like, he's very much Michael Jordan like.
Speaker 2:In a sense. It's like oh no, the guy with all the ability really loves being in there more than everybody else. It's not a Kobe thing, like people point this out. People love Kobe so much. You understand. Kobe didn't have Mike's gifts, right. Right, he had to work harder at him. He had to work harder at it. But here's the thing the reason why Mike's better is that Mike worked just as hard but was more gifted. When the more gifted guy loves it more, he's going to end up being the winner in the long run, and that's all we're really seeing. And what we're really seeing, when we look at it like from a historical point, is that Jay was actually only better for a short stretch, but that was the stretch when he was getting to the bag and diversifying so he could move on to other things, because that was his goal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get what I'm saying, like they both achieved their goals?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but by different means, absolutely by different means. But in this rap shit it's like well, you're not going to beat the most gifted guy who likes being around it more than the other guy, even no matter how much that guy loves it. Jay's probably the biggest head next to Nas, but it's next to, not ahead of, it's under, not over.
Speaker 1:Jay-Z for better and Nas breathes the culture, and this is not Jay-Z's fault, but Jay-Z, for better or worse, breathed the guys that weren't talented at rap that I'm doing this just as a hustle to make money. I'm not really a rapper like that. It just so happened that Jay-Z was an all-time great and in goat contention he's just better than just about everybody else. These other guys doing that like him are not that good.
Speaker 2:I think the greatest trick that's actually ever been pulled off in rap history is the fact that what separates Jay from a lot of his contemporaries, and why he really got into the goat conversation, is that at the time that he was doing it, we had never seen an mc that great with his type of business mind correct, like we had never seen somebody as nice as jay be as business oriented as jay, like rock m and krs and kane and KRS and Kane and G-Rap and Big and even Nas. At the time they weren't as business-oriented as he was, but he was as nice as them on the mic and so it was a rare confluence of circumstances that allowed him to have his run. We had never seen somebody handle their business the way Jay handled his business, but also rap at that level All the other guys I mean legitimately recently until Nas in the last 10 years we had never seen somebody that great at rap be that great at business at the same time.
Speaker 1:He said catching up to those that had a head start. Remember Nas said that. Say what Remember Nas said catching up to those that had a head start. You know what I'm saying? Talking about his business counterparts, yeah, Mm-hmm. Real quick. Matt Max with the $2 Super J said who has got a better concept than any Dot album?
Speaker 2:Man Max, you might be stretching that a little bit. Who is God, conceptually, is brilliant. Who? How about this? Who is god is more conceptually brilliant than duckworth or how much, how much a dollar costs? But it's not a better song, and the quality of the song matters too yeah, I mean he got song.
Speaker 1:Oh, it seemed for me.
Speaker 2:I'm down at thursday all those joints is crazy like I mean, alpha omega is conceptually conceptually better than a lot of dot records, but it's like, is it better than how much the dollar costs? As much as I love alpha omega, it's like I don't think so and that's the objective part of me. Like they can speak about this. But that was also 2014 when he made that.
Speaker 1:You know, 10 years you gotta circle back 10 years it's 10 years, but since we got the, since we got the J and Nas topic on the screen, can you speak a little bit? You talked about the Tom Brady jersey retirement performance. Does that performance Jay-Z coming out for that versus a hip hop 50 performance Does that lend to the credence of what Cam is talking about?
Speaker 2:I think it. I think it falls right in the pocket of what Cam is talking about. I think it falls right in the pocket of what Cam is talking about. It's like, no, that's Jay making a wise business move, like he's in a world where everybody sees him in a certain type of way and he has to feed those people food too, you know and so what he really was was feeding another part of his audience. It's just we, as part of his core, a little mistreated when he does something like that and doesn't perform at a hip hop 50 event last year. But he's also consistently been this guy since the moment he walked in the door, so we shouldn't be surprised. When I heard that he did it, I was like, sounds like him next.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean it's, it's on brand and I think a lot of times people get caught up in expecting something from Jay that you know he's not necessarily going to give us. You know Jay's, jay's, you know he's going to, he's going to chase the bag. He is the bag now. He is the bag now right. And that's why it hurt watching, like ab said in his tweet, those fans, you know that more another culture they, you know it. That wasn't his crap. You know what I mean and that's what it hurt. You know seeing that versus a hip-hop 50 performance where it would have been like super lit, j-upper.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. So I'm too grown to be surprised by that shit. That's all I'm saying. Is is like you know, like hip hop is 51. We need to grow up. It's like, if you're surprised that Jay did that or if you're hurt that Jay did that, I mean nothing against you.
Speaker 1:You just haven't been paying attention. The only thing that's worse than you is these fucking K-Dot fans. That's right, okay, so moving on, moving on. So you know, we talked about Jay and the Tom Brady performance, and then he was also on the Tony Awards with Alicia Keys celebrating Empire State of Mind. So do you think that this is like a soft rollout for a Jay-Z album? Because Jay-Z really ain't outside that much and we've seen him pop outside a few times in the last month, so do you think that he's testing the waters to drop an album?
Speaker 2:AG. I would just prefer that he didn't at this point, in all honesty, tell me more why the expectations are so unrealistic. Okay, the expectations are so unrealistic and your biggest quote-unquote rival, slash competition, slash frenemy. I don't know what they have going on now, but they're cool now, right, yeah, but they're both still highly competitive dudes and it's like well, if the mark is your only competition, well, you're not going to hit that mark. So I prefer that you stand down, and not because I've always touted the other guy over you, but because I love you too.
Speaker 2:And it's not going to play well for you in the long run. You get what I'm saying. Like it's not going to play well. Like here's the good thing and the bad thing about it. It's like, well, if he were to drop one album that was comparable to any of these six albums that Nas dropped, people would be like, see, oh, he's the greatest of all time. Comparable to any of these six albums that Nas dropped, people would be like, see, oh, he's the greatest of all time. But the other part of it is, if that's truly your competition, he would know.
Speaker 2:I need five more of these and it's just not going to happen, and so he needs to accept this place. How about this? Sometimes the most iconic guy isn't always the best guy. I'm a big tennis fan, so the most iconic guy is't always the best guy. Okay, like you know, I'm a big tennis fan, so the most iconic guy is Roger Federer, but Nadal and Djokovic, in most people's minds, have passed Federer you get what I'm saying, but they're not beloved in the community. Nadal is to a degree, but the way people love Fed and tennis is different than the way that they love Djokovic and love Nadal. You get what I'm saying. So Jay's love and notoriety is different, but he's not that guy anymore and it's going to take too much for him to go be that guy and, quite frankly, he has too much going on, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:That's a tough place to navigate. That would be a tough thing to navigate for anybody. You know your point. Yeah, yeah, anybody, that's that's not when is somebody with his legacy?
Speaker 2:uh, gonna do a rollout and it's not gonna be enough. You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like it's not gonna be enough ag here's the thing, and I'm glad you brought that for him personally, like I don't want that for him because I think people get lost in the sauce a little bit. It's like oh no, I'm a big fan of fam too. Yeah, like I told you objectively, I have him number two on my list all the time, same, same here, same here. And so it's like no, I don't want to hear my number two going out like on some number 45 shit, like michael jordan wearing 45 shit I don't want to see that.
Speaker 1:But here's the thing. I'm glad you brought that up because jay's always attached you know his success to the numbers. You know he played the number game most of his career. He's gonna do numbers, but I think it's not necessarily the numbers and we just got through talking about streaming bots and all that. It's the optics of the numbers, because if you look at the last handful of times he's popped out, it's always been some sort of deal involved that almost had guaranteed sales in place. You know what I mean? Because we had the Samsung deal, that was for the, that was for Magna Carta, holy Grail, right. And then What'd you say? My fault.
Speaker 2:No, go ahead.
Speaker 1:We had the Samsung deal for Magna Carta, Holy Grail. There was a Budweiser deal in place for Kingdom Come, For American Gangster. He attached himself to. It's not the official soundtrack, but he attached himself to the movie, you know what I mean. So that garnered a lot of interest and attention. And it was something with 444 as well, but I don't remember what it was. But it's always some kind of a deal in place that's going to market more sales for him, a deal in place that's going to market more sales for him. And if he doesn't do that and the sales are not up to snuff of what he thinks the expectations should be, then I don't think it'll be worth his while. So I don't think he pops out with an album unless it's something like that connected to the album. Okay. So Maddox shout out to you. He said 444 had a YouTube deal, so there you go.
Speaker 2:So let me submit something to you, if I may, ag. What if I told you that all these business deals that he's done, attached to his music, have helped him but they've also hurt him? And let me break down why. Absolutely His four best albums in my opinion Reasonable Doubt the Blueprint, the Black Album and Volume One.
Speaker 1:I'm in full agreement with you.
Speaker 2:There's no deals attached to those, right? Don't you think that that's a little bit more than coincidental, like he literally compromises his hip-hop standards sometimes for the sake of doing good business. I would probably put Volume 2 at number 5. Volume 2, pun intended is his blueprint, because he realized, oh no, if I put my shit on soundtracks I can garner more attention and thereby garner more sales. And so Volume 2 is probably his best balancing act of balancing the business with the hip hop. But he hasn't succeeded as well, album wise, hip hop wise, when he does these deals. His best albums I just named. There's no business attached to those.
Speaker 2:And you could argue that the fifth album, volume 2, which was really his coming out party, might be his most overrated piece of work too. Because when I go back and listen to Volume 1, the songs on Volume 1 that are bad are worse than the worst songs on Volume 2, but the shit that's great is blowing the shit on volume two out the water like street watching an imaginary player is blowing volume two out the water. A million and one questions. Is blowing volume two out the water. Where I'm from, you must love me is blowing volume two out the water like blowing it out the water ag, like it's not even conversational right that's why I don't have volume two is my fifth place.
Speaker 2:J out my god american gangster at my number five I know people think that way, so here's what I'm gonna say to that. There are moments on volume two where you hear a guy that is in legitimate contention to be the greatest MC of all time, and I don't hear that guy on American Gangster, outside of a couple of the records, but it's all over Volume 2. Like nigga what nigga? Who All I knew was rap and sex. Imagine how I flow. Imagine how I stroke. See how it's flowing on my last cassette. Grab a fire like I'm blasting a tech. Never jam though. Never get high, never run out of ammo. Niggas hating the shit because it changed a bitch. I know you're favorite. I know it made you sick. Act raw like you never had war. No one carry a hoe. Don't want to marry a hoe. Now she's mad at me because your majesty just happens to be a pimp. What a shit like that. It's like oh no, that's goat talk. That's goat talk. Right there, there's not a whole lot of goat talk on American Gangster.
Speaker 1:American Gangster. I think it was the production, the cohesiveness of it, and he was able to tap back into that reasonable doubt talk that had been missing for a while. I think it's a nostalgia factor there.
Speaker 2:I think his best verses on American Gangster might be success. And it's like oh well, you knew Nas was coming in, so it's like you know he, he like L, rises to the competition. It's like, yeah, I'm putting Nas on this record, so I need to smash the title track uh fallen Um no hook.
Speaker 1:I mean he was going off on all them songs to me Um it.
Speaker 2:It wasn't goat talk, it was one of the great talk. It wasn't goat talk. His in like their stuff on volume two where he's rapping in a manner I'm the guy. The stuff on american gangster is like I'm one of the best guys. That's what I'm saying. There's stuff going. Times have changed. Yeah. Yeah, it's like the. The talk is different. It's like no, that's like the shit, like a week ago. It's like no, no, that's goat talk. Nigga, what nigga who? That's goat talk? Nigga, what Nigga who? That's goat talk. The verse on Reservoir Dogs is goat talk. There's not really talk like that on American Gangster. Like that, american Gangster is like oh, I'm one of the greatest to ever do it, and that would be the separation for me.
Speaker 1:And that's why I might favor. Glad you brought up volume too. I'm gonna get to that in a second. I'm gonna get the super chat. Andrew andrew williams, with the five dollar super chat, says the thing jay knows deep down he can't make a dope by uh dope record by himself anymore. What we're seeing is nas was the best since day one. Um, to that point, that's exactly what I was going to allude to. Um, yeah, and thanks for the two. You didn't have to do that, Andrew, but we appreciate it. He uh corrected it and said dope album. Um, uh, for the type of um, but uh hold on.
Speaker 2:I don't like to beat the ignorant shit, Michael Brown, I don't like to beat the ignorant shit. Everybody loves ignorant shit. It's like I don't like that record.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love it. I was supposed to be on the Black Album, but it's a classic record to me.
Speaker 2:Don't put that on the Black Album.
Speaker 1:It's going to bring the album down. Oh, that's crazy. To your point.
Speaker 2:to your point about Hold on, hold on, no, no, no. Almost every album on, the, almost every record on the Black Album is better, better than ignorant shit.
Speaker 1:Name this Like my first song is not better. Justify my thug is not better.
Speaker 2:Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on, Hold on. Did you say, my first song's not better?
Speaker 1:No, that's not better than ignorant shit. Yeah, it is no. Yes, the fuck it is. I wish I knew how to put a poll in the chat, because that's that's not better.
Speaker 2:Justify my Thug isn't better, but almost everything else on the Black Album is December 4th is better. What More Can I Say? Encore Dirt Off your Shoulders 99 Problems. Lucifer, threat is my shit. Threat is goat talk.
Speaker 1:Allure is my favorite on that record.
Speaker 2:What's your favorite Allure? Nah, it's not my favorite. Threat's my shit, because threat is goat talk Like Castor Oil. I cast Detroit. Change your face, but the bullets change all that for you. Y'all niggas is Target. Y'all garage is for bullets. Please don't make me park it in your upper level. Valet a couple strays from the 38th special.
Speaker 1:That's goat talk. That's what the fuck, I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:But listen.
Speaker 1:Coop. We talking about Black Album and American Gangsta and Sean putting a chat. Empire State of Mind is not good at all. Sean on Blueprint 3. Like Sean's somewhere else.
Speaker 2:Empire State of Mind's not that good of a record. I hate to be the one to break it to people. Nah, I don't like it like that. It's not even a top five record on that album and that album's not in his top five.
Speaker 1:I love the Black Album. I have it ranked third and I think it's the classic. When Black Album came out and I got to get back to my volume two point real quick. But when Black Album came out I had one glaring gripe about. It is because Jay-Z sounded like he was bitter that he had lost the battle to Nas, so it was almost kind of like I'm taking my ball and going home kind of tone to it.
Speaker 2:He was bitter, Right Okay. So here's the thing about it. He had never really lost before, Right Like at anything really.
Speaker 1:Right, but Jay-Z was always the cool, cool guy and that tone was coming across in the records. Like I'm supposed to be number one on everybody list. We'll see what happened when I no longer is this. If you can't respect that, your whole perspective is whack. Maybe you'll love me when I fade to black. I was like come on, dog, we still love you, bro. Like they gotta be like that you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like I mean ag. It's different when you get your ass whooped. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like can I tell you a quick story, right, quick yeah absolutely go ahead so I got my ass whooped when I was in third grade by this guy named greg. I talked some shit to greg and greg hit me in the eye, knocked me down cold. My cousins six and vici found out. He's like nigga punched you at the bus stop today. I was like, yeah, they're like what you do. I was like, because he hurt me bad, I ain't even going front. Nigga hurt me bad. These niggas went and bought boxing gloves and made me fight everybody in the neighborhood. That's what real cousins fight everybody in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2:You get what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That's what real cousins did back in the day. Word yeah, my cousins made me fight a lot of people.
Speaker 2:That's the last time I got hit in the eye like that. You get what I'm saying. It's different. I was talking shit until I got hit in the goddamn eye and then I realized it's like, oh no, if I'm'm gonna talk like this, I'm gonna need to fight. And so jay got hit in the eye. He'd never been hit in the eye before and so, like he had to retrain himself to deal and recalibrate with the fact, because ain't nobody ever hit him like that before, like in real life or on the mic what?
Speaker 1:what? Tyson say everybody got a plan till you get hit in the mouth it's different when the motherfucker sock you in the eye.
Speaker 2:Ag. You gotta know if you can take a hit. Look here I was eight years old when that happened. I remember that shit like it happened yesterday, like that motherfucker and he was bigger and stronger than me and I was talking shit and my cousin's like oh no, nigga, we not laying down, you're gonna learn how to fight. So Jay had to teach himself how to fight again yeah, I mean, that's what real cousins did.
Speaker 1:So shout out to your cousins. Quick story of me. I had a similar situation. This one kid had been talking crazy to me all week, said something about my mom and my cousin told him like yo, when you get off the bus, you better handle that. I got off the bus and I was handling that, you know saying right, and me and my cousins at my grandma's backyard and I was handling that, and his older brother, who was in middle school that got off his bus, you know, came and snuffed me and then my cousin ended up fighting him. So it was a 2v2 in my grandma's yard and my grandfather come out on the porch, pull up his chair, had a cup of coffee, crossed his legs. He said yo y'all better not lose. You know what I'm saying. We beat them both down, ran them off. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:And that was the end of it but that's the kind of times we grew up in. I don't know that's how my cousins were. They were like if you don't start whooping people, ass, we gonna every day. It's like oh, no, it's like, oh no, it's like everybody in this neighborhood about to catch these hands.
Speaker 1:Then, because I'm not coming home to this shit, because these niggas was whooping my ass anyway for fun, so for sure yo shout out to TJ in the chat this is not a super chat, but Nas said it on abracadabra even a grape can be a plate. No one is safe. Anybody can be food at any given time word.
Speaker 2:Look here, man Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson there you have it.
Speaker 1:But um, to my volume two point. I'm glad you brought that up because volume two, much like the Rock Him Project, is a feature on every song.
Speaker 2:No, no, not the same thing, because what that was is that was strategically placed. Those places make sense Having. Dmx close out money cash hoes, that makes sense. Having Too Short on a week ago makes sense. It was Having DMX close out. Money cash hoes, that makes sense. Having Too Short on a week ago makes sense. Having Bleak on Coming of Age Part 2 makes sense, oh the lock.
Speaker 2:Hand it down Bleak is crazy Screw that I'm not pitching the bleak PJs, the locks, sauce, money and beans on Reservoir Dogs. Appropriate song, appropriate title, appropriate artist in the booth Right. It makes sense.
Speaker 1:But to that point though, you know we're saying Jay may not pop out if it's not business attached to it. Jay is probably one of the most collaborative artists Like. He has an album with Beyonce, two albums with R Kelly, an EP with Linkin Park. He did the joint with Jay Electronica, although he didn't put his name on it the great album with Danger Mouse. I just think that if he comes outside, I think it has to be a deal involved or some sort of collaboration in place. You know what I mean. So I don't think we're going to get Jay pop out on his own merit for a solo record. I think it's some kind of collaborative joint or it's a deal breaker.
Speaker 2:You know what I really think would set the hip-hop world on fire AG. What's that? If Nas and Jay were to do a collab EP, not a full-length joint, but about seven or eight songs Clash of the titans, where they like really go for it. Not like, not like on their I'm big baller shit like, not on their ball and talk, but like them two on some rap.
Speaker 2:Shit like on some I would agree with you if their chemistry was better because we got enough tracks I think their chemistry isn't better because they haven't really sat down in the lab with each other like we think that's right, they're. They're too great to not figure it out. If they were to really get in and focus on it, they're too great for it.
Speaker 1:Who would you want producing that Hit boy?
Speaker 2:Actually no, they're both versatile. That's tough. I would want it to be on some rap shit. You know what I'm saying. Here's why I wouldn't want it to be on some rap shit.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying here's why I wouldn't want it. If they were going to do that, I think they missed the window. Because now I think it would look kind of funny because I'm a rewind back history. Kanye is quoted as saying watch, the throne was created because of the rise of drake, all right, and I think that it would look funny if they did that now, like to kind of push new york back to the forefront when the west is riding so high. I want it. I wouldn't want it to look like you know, kendrick galvanized the west so like we got to bring the New York Avengers together to get things back what they did.
Speaker 2:I totally disagree with you, because that's actually what I like about it it's competitive sport. I would want the sport to be competitive. Look who it is. Look who decided to show up. Look who decided to show up. This nigga finally took his ass home.
Speaker 1:What up, sean. Look who decided to show up. This nigga finally took his ass home. What up, sean. I believe you on mute homie yeah, take yourself off, mute fam or put yourself back on mute, depending on what you gonna say yeah, this show has been pause. Free my G you said a crazy pause earlier.
Speaker 2:He was above the clouds. He don't know that. Lie, nigga, lie, you're supposed to be on my side today.
Speaker 1:My bad, it's just that we might have to edit that out. We might have to edit that out for real.
Speaker 2:Andrew cut the pause out.
Speaker 3:Coop had me rolling on the plane. I was in there bugging. I tried to keep my composure. I was like yo, this dude is going crazy right now and AG playing a good guy and knowing he texting me all day talking about yo K-Dot ain't like that. That concert ain't like that. Oh, AG was texting you that and he's pulling up talking to you. He's talking about yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2:Your first thing that you say is a lie straight down bro yo I was like yo coop is representing right now that coop is going crazy, so so hold on, so hold on, so hold on, sean, while we got you here, let's like do a quick recap and get a quick rundown with you, like. First of all, what do you think about the seven song rock in project with 59 people on it?
Speaker 3:I'm. I'm destroyed by that. I'm not going from, I'm hurting by that pause like seven tracks and you got like 30 people on seven tracks on the ep. That's nasty, man, and we love raw, but that's nasty, but that's the only route we can go. An EP is the safest bet for Raw. So I'm okay with the EP route. But cool, you and I both know having that many featured artists on seven songs, come on, that's not a collaboration effort like Volumes. This works in Volume 2.
Speaker 2:Like, how about this? I think Tretch is one of the most underrated MCs of all time. For sure you could tell on what's the third album Poverty's Paradise.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You could tell on Poverty's Paradise that he had lost some of the tools in the toolbox, but he still went on his solo missions Like it's like I'd rather hear you a step or two below your tools and it being just you, yeah, then to have you try to cover up the tools that's not in the toolbox anymore, and I think because you know so that's why I don't like it. It's like no fam, it's like you at 85% of yourself is still better than 95% of the people we've heard. So give me that, don't give me this, because if it's seven records and it's you by yourself, three of those records, three of those seven records, are going to be like oh that's the God I'd rather take three out of seven records.
Speaker 2:It's like yo, that's the God MC right there. If he only got seven verses on this album, I'm going to have a fit.
Speaker 1:We live in a dope time where you can splice that joint. You can take the Rakim verse off every track and make like a little, you know, eight minute snippet.
Speaker 2:Trying to do that. I think it's like you thinking like that is why I'm not okay.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And he got a prodigy verse on there.
Speaker 3:God bless the dead. I love prodigy, but he got a prodigy verse. Why would you?
Speaker 2:hold on. Why would you have a Prodigy verse on there when the joint you already did with Mob is classic? He got Rhyme of the Month in the source for the Mob Deep joint With him annoyed and had, like you've already, been down the Prodigy road. Like you've got a joint.
Speaker 3:This is. It's not a cab bruh man. This is the polo bear man.
Speaker 2:Get your fashion game on baby first of all, anybody who doesn't know that that's the polo bear is being disrespectful every track.
Speaker 1:Every track look like um the one blood remix like stop that, stop that.
Speaker 2:I was actually thinking it looked I about to say every song looked like self-destruction.
Speaker 3:Oh, come on, Watch for the hook.
Speaker 1:It looks like watch for the hook.
Speaker 2:It's make them say, uh, the East Coast version.
Speaker 3:It's like, yeah, it's like nine niggas on here.
Speaker 1:What's the Sway and King Tech joint? I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:It's the last joint on their album Shit is wild.
Speaker 3:I didn't come for this man. I'm jet lagging. I didn't come for this.
Speaker 2:Did you watch the Kendrick concert, sean, did you watch the Kendrick concert?
Speaker 1:Now, if you want a real fact, coop, he was texting me during the concert, hating on the concert, the concert. So you right there with you.
Speaker 2:He was texting me a real time I'm not hating on a concert, because kendrick has enough classic material yeah to hold a concert like that.
Speaker 2:I'm saying, if the rap world is in the palm of your hand right now, you just beat the biggest selling streaming artist of all time and the second biggest selling artist of all time. You've got classics. Everybody's saying that you're king. It's been two and a half years since your last album. Your last album fucking sucks so much that you're not performing a song of it at this concert. Not one new song. The album sucks. The only thing that sucks more than his fans is that album.
Speaker 1:Well, we've heard your take like 50 times over Coop.
Speaker 2:Let's hear Sean's, and I'm going to keep saying it until people understand the words that are coming out of my mouth.
Speaker 1:Let's let Sean articulate why the show wasn't any good. Go ahead, Sean.
Speaker 3:It was a phenomenal show.
Speaker 1:The West Coast no no, I'm going to do you like. Drake, you got to follow through now.
Speaker 3:Say what you was saying. I was reading the comments and listening to the show on the plane and I was like Coop is like he has embraced it. Man, I'm not ready to embrace that because I don't know how to act. So I don't want to embrace that. You get crazy with me in the chat. I don't know how I'm going to respond. So no, the concert was lovely. I think K-Dot did a phenomenal job. Dr Dre came out there. I don't know about Dr Dre coming out there, but I get it. Dr Dre to me is like one of the best of the West Coast. You got to have him out there, but Dr Dre got some allegations out there himself. So you got to be careful with Dr Drake coming out there with that crazy talk. You know what I mean Because he got some stuff out there hanging too, some low-hanging fruit balls, so but him coming out there and saying yo, I see dead people and letting Kindred jump off, I thought that was dope to be quiet on.
Speaker 2:Like real talk to bring the West Coast would have brought game out there and, um, I didn't see game posted something I didn't get a chance to listen to. I've listened to you guys, but he posted something about an hour ago. I'm talking about that. So I'm like, why, why, why do they always leave game?
Speaker 3:out. Game is a loose cannon. Man, he's a loose cannon. You never know what you're going to get with game.
Speaker 1:He's a loose cannon he's a loose cannon, so was old, dirty bastard.
Speaker 3:But it was key to making the crew work. It's some la shit, right, he's a loose cannon. He's a loose cannon.
Speaker 2:You never know what's going to be game. So was Old Dirty Bastard, but it was key to making the crew work. It's some LA shit, right.
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold on you having a joke.
Speaker 2:How about this? There's more niggas like Game in LA than niggas like Kendrick in LA, and they was up on stage.
Speaker 3:They was up on stage.
Speaker 1:Sean, you a Queens guy, let's um, you know what I'm saying. Hear the comments about the LL song featuring Rick Ross.
Speaker 3:I just came to show y'all love. I don't want to take the conversations back um. I sound like Rick Ross. I can't stand Rick Ross you don't like the verse, sean. You don't like the verse. I don't like the verse. Y'all I don't like the verse. It had nothing to do with the song. I don't even know what Ross is talking about. Fat Joe was on the same page. Rick Ross just came in there. The same thing he did with Accident Murderers. Nas was on point.
Speaker 2:You don't like his verse on Accident Murderers. It was off topic.
Speaker 1:It was off topic. It was off topic. It was off topic. It was off topic. Yeah, it was off topic.
Speaker 2:I don't agree with either one of you. I believe he blistered that verse.
Speaker 3:It was off topic though.
Speaker 1:Style-wise, you don't notice it because he skates on every track, but a lot of times he don't be with the concept of the record.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Very true Maybach music. He's used to hearing that shit and then going off. That's all he does. That's what I want him for.
Speaker 3:He don't get me wrong, he went on when he had the song. Now he's bringing it back on a third verse and getting back to the topic, Okay.
Speaker 2:So first of all, staying on topic with Nas is not some sort of easy feat to pull off. It's not here's the thing. No, no, no, because here's why I do like accident murderers. Since we're talking about it, if you try to stay on topic with Nas, you're going to lose, you're going to lose.
Speaker 2:You're going to lose bad. You're better off getting in your bag and doing what you do. And he got off in his bag and did what he did, so I respect it. I love the verse. That verse is stellar. I love his. We grew up doing graffiti. Right now it's getting heated. Yeah, no, no, no. I love that shit. I love the.
Speaker 3:Ross verse I'm a Ross fan, though.
Speaker 2:You want to know what I can tell. I'm the nigga from the South in the group. I'm tired of all the Ross hate from both of you niggas. No, no, ag. I've noticed something. Every time Sean hates on Ross, you get quiet. Are you campaigning for Sean? No, I love. Ross.
Speaker 1:I'm like 50. What's up people? What's up people? I was a Ross advocate, I was an advocate of.
Speaker 3:Ross fat ass.
Speaker 1:Ross got one of the best discographies in rap. Let's be real.
Speaker 2:Whose discography is better Ross or Game?
Speaker 3:Game.
Speaker 1:I'm going to give it to Game because he's a better rapper, but it's close.
Speaker 3:Yes, Game.
Speaker 2:We're three for three on that. I think it's Game too. I just wanted to see where we were at. Game got the documentary.
Speaker 3:Game got the documentary.
Speaker 2:I think the Doctor's Advocate is actually better than the documentary, but that's just me, though. It's a great follow-up. Degree of difficulty yes, classic songs no.
Speaker 1:All-time classic songs. I got you.
Speaker 2:They're more consistently good songs on the Doctor's Advocate, but when they hit the mark on the documentary, oh man, they hit the mark.
Speaker 3:I listened to how we Do the other day and I was like, yeah, I'm like this shit, that's my thing, putting me in jail, putting me in a hole when he was in jail but while we got you here, sean, let's because I definitely want to get your take on this last topic that we're going to cover.
Speaker 1:What's your thoughts on versus coming back to the forefront, making a deal with Elon to have that go through? X?
Speaker 2:They love some white people, don't they? They love some white people, don't they?
Speaker 3:They do. I don't like it, bro, I ain't gonna front. The crazy thing is I remember versus right before versus kicked off me and my homie man shout out to my homie, Dre. Dre is from Charlotte, North Carolina, and, by the way, Charles is South Carolina. Dj just retired from the Army, and this was like right before COVID kicked off.
Speaker 2:Where he from in Charlotte, sean, where he from in Charlotte.
Speaker 3:Piedmont, piedmont Park, is that what you say they call it? Okay, he's from over there, from that way, okay.
Speaker 3:Dre and I but it's cool and I know my girl. She can tell you. She can ask Lady Silk, we call her Rika, though. Dre and I did this battle, this versus on a network Right before. Versus kicked off him and I did Mobb Deep.
Speaker 3:Versus kicked off him and not did mob deep versus outcast because he was a big cast fan. And, um, I barely edged them out on uh on the on the mob deep versus outcast. And about three weeks later we got a call and said that, uh, and this is crazy, because we got a call and said they were going to be this would be a versus coming up with Swiss and a versus coming up with Swizz and Timbo doing it. Now I'm not saying they bite us or anything like that, but we got a call that said we had to stop that because we also ended up doing a Pharrell versus Timbo joint and that one was the one that got us a deal on a radio channel and on a syndicated channel. So we had some ties to possibly do some work with Versus before they started getting this big thing going on with the platform. And I shared that because in the embryo stages or the inception of Versus, it made sense, because it was really just representing the culture, getting everyone you know to really pull up during a time when America was going through really a bad time you know, the pandemic going on and just was a rough time being at home and just being bottled up and it was a very entertaining thing to do.
Speaker 3:But then it started shifting and we saw that shift and again, I don't want to shit on no one's name because we still got some ties a lot of people out there in the industry and swiss is one of those um, but they took the bag and when they took the bag, it got really weird.
Speaker 3:And when it got really weird, that's when you start seeing people getting jerk artists included and they were put on this, on this face, as if the artist was getting, you know, the royalties and getting the boosting sales. In all reality, they were getting it too. So it was one of those things where we pulled away Dre and I pulled away from doing anything associated with that and we just stopped doing battles altogether. We had like a whole lineup and we were killing the lineup. Like I said, he was a DJ, I just knew the music. We were just going back and forth. So I said I'd like to say this I don't like it because, like Coop said in the beginning, you attach yourself to him to put this thing back out there and you talk about, you preach, independency, you preach about you know being, you know owned.
Speaker 3:We're doing this for the culture. We're doing this for the culture. This is not culturally driven. This is not culturally driven at all, because Elon Musk got Twitter porn popping right now and people going crazy on that and you want to attach yourself to something like that? I probably shouldn't say that, isn't it?
Speaker 1:No, that's a fact, though, but what do you think is in it for Elon to even make this deal with them?
Speaker 3:I'm thinking it for him. It's culture vulture. You think it's to take a piece of the culture you know what I mean and they're going to remap it. Once they remap it, that's when you're going to start seeing a different thing. You're not going to see hip-hop anymore like that. You're going to start seeing some other entities coming together.
Speaker 1:That are not of the culture. Now, it's something that's not of the culture that I wouldn't mind seeing. I wouldn't mind seeing the madonna and janet jackson versus you know what I'm saying. Madonna on the statement. I would like to see madonna got some slaps and I think she could fade anybody who's not named janet. If I'm being real and, um, I agree, I would think you know, maybe a justin timberlake usher joint would be dope with, like Timberland Pharrell up there with Justin and then JD with Usher.
Speaker 2:I don't like that for Usher.
Speaker 3:No, really With Justin.
Speaker 2:Timberlake, I don't like that for Usher.
Speaker 1:Do you think Justin Timberlake will fade Usher?
Speaker 2:Justin Timberlake has had the Neptunes and Timberland in his back pocket almost the entirety of his solo career.
Speaker 1:I would give the edge to Usher in that, but I think it would be a dope matchup.
Speaker 3:Usher got 87 on one in confessions.
Speaker 2:And my way? No, no, no. Ok, so here's the thing. Does Usher have the better records? Yes. Does he have the bigger records to beat him in a versus?
Speaker 1:I don't know about that I mean he got outlier joints like climax is just like he could just pull this joint, that joint like I mean I don't know, I record because we're talking versus.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing about it. Do you remember when dmx and snoop went up against each other, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, because yeah, because it's like, oh shit when snoop started hitting him with that chronic and doggy style shit.
Speaker 2:It was like it's like oh shit. When Snoop started hitting him with that Chronic and Doggy style shit, it was like oh shit, x about to lose. It's like oh, x losing bad.
Speaker 1:It's like how is X?
Speaker 2:losing bad with this catalog.
Speaker 1:But it's doing something. That's a diamond album that he could pull from. He could get about five rounds off that album alone. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Are you sure about that? Are you sure? Album alone. You know what I mean. Are you sure about that? Are you sure?
Speaker 1:Are you sure? Depends on the crowd.
Speaker 2:Well, swiss and Timmy, like the whites, the whites look crazy.
Speaker 1:Y'all didn't come for that. That's crazy.
Speaker 2:Coop Real quick when we're talking about the audience, you gotta know who you fucking with real quick on the super chat these niggas love being colonized. Okay, they want somebody to read the bible to them at night before they go to sleep.
Speaker 1:Like all of that, they love being colonized yo mad max at the super chat, $2 said agreed. Sean F Ross, fake biggie bum, damn. That's wild. Mad max again with the with the super chat, $2 said. Agreed, sean F Ross, fake Biggie bum, damn that's wild Mad Max again with the $2 super chat. The hate on Ross. Said Ross be saying anything, he's whack F him Okay.
Speaker 2:He got a lot of smoke for us. So you found your Rick Ross wonder twin in Mad Max. I'm glad.
Speaker 1:And then, oh, whoa, whoa, mad Max, also with another two dollar super chat, says first off, x beat, snoop stop. I don't think anybody thinks that. Mad max first of all.
Speaker 2:I think even x said it listen very carefully, listen very carefully to what I'm about to say. There's only one rapper that's responsible for two of the 10 greatest rap albums of all time, and that's snoop. Ain't nobody really beating snoop if snoop starts playing the chronic and doggygy style shit. You're not winning. You're not winning. Look what I'm saying Nas ain't winning, jay not winning. X damn sure ain't winning If Jay or Nas were to have to go against Snoop in a versus trouble.
Speaker 3:That's tough.
Speaker 2:When that nigga played Slippin' and then Snoop dropped, murder Was the Case, I was like this is all bad, it's all bad, it's all bad. There was nothing X could do, but X won like seven of the 20 rounds. He got smoked. Think about this he smoked X.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was bad, but it was dope to watch, though Great music, but with Elon in the equation, right, we talked about Jay earlier and what you know what I'm saying. If you want to talk the way to whatever the stuff that Jay like chooses to pop out for, do you think now, with the Elon involvement and the deal and then the look of it with somebody like a Jay Z, be more subject to pop out now, when they couldn't be bothered to do it earlier and when he just said yo, nobody can stand with me on that stage?
Speaker 2:He can't do it unless Nas wants to do it. Nobody wants to see Jay-Z going against anybody, but Nas and Nas probably not going to do it. So it's not happening. It's not happening. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what's in it for him. That's how Jay-Z look at it.
Speaker 3:What's in it for me, If Jay don't go up against Nas which I think he will stay away from Jay will go up against himself. He will be like let me just do this on my own, Let me do my own versus, Let me do Jay. If that, was God, I would do my first half of my career versus my second half of my career versus.
Speaker 2:I've always said this the problem with Jay going against Nas. Like Jay has more hits, but Jay's best records are his B-sides. The only artist that I know that does B-sides better than Jay is Nas.
Speaker 1:Depends on who the lead off person is, because you can't play a New York state of mind if Nas leads off and then Jay-Z answer that with a big pimp.
Speaker 2:That won't go well. Here's how I look at it, first of all, if they do it, they're doing it in the garden. That won't go well. But here's how I look at it. First of all, if they do it, they're doing it in the garden. So it's like when Jay plays Empire State of Mind and then Nas plays New York State of Mind.
Speaker 1:L they're going to get up out of there but I think Jay's savvy enough to not do that one. You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, but he can't. That's the thing. He can't beat Nas with a big pimpin. And can I get a like you can't?
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this Coop, if you had a round like you don't know versus Made you, look what you got.
Speaker 2:Okay, so that would be the separation of the two artists to me, in my opinion, I think you Don't Know is a top three J record. I think Made you Look is a top five Nas record, but I'm still picking, made you Look.
Speaker 2:Barely, though it's different. This is what I mean. So this is where, where you do, it matters it's like you Don't Know is Jay's manifesto. Nas has so many manifestos that it's like even if he were to lose that round, how about this? If I was Nas, I wouldn't even play. Made you look versus you don't know. You feel me he wouldn't have to. No, he doesn't have to. How about this? Jay has to play you don't know, versus it ain't hard to tell. Or new york state of mind yeah, naz can beat jay. What made you look? On quite a few records, jay has to hold that record to try to take one of those epic naz records down. Naz doesn't have to do that. What made you look like? That's what I mean about. It's like on some rap shit. It's hard like here. How about this? I think dead presidents is better than made you look, but I don't think you don't know it's better than made you look. How about that?
Speaker 1:but if jay came with dead presidents, all nas would have to do is come with.
Speaker 2:The world is yours correct, which I think is better than their presidents and that's what spawned that record. So that'd be close yeah, yeah, oh, go ahead hold on, and then it becomes the problem with them doing a battle. Is that it really does come down to a matter of taste?
Speaker 2:yeah absolutely it's a matter of taste it's not a matter of record, it's a matter of taste and if it's at MSG it could be split down the middle, you would have a split if they were to do it. The problem with it really is is that we're going to be arguing about every round for the next 20 years. Absolutely, we're going to be arguing about every round.
Speaker 1:It's like yo did you— that would be a stimmy for a show. That would be a stimmy for a show If you were to beat their presidents.
Speaker 2:Niggas would be like, no, we didn't, brooklyn in the house. Their president's better than the world is yours. It's like, oh, and we would be doing that about every song. No, it's not. No, it's not, I'm not giving it that round.
Speaker 1:Another round real quick. And Sean can't answer this because he's biased, he's Queens real quick. Brooklyn's Finest versus Fast Life what you got. I know you can't answer this, sean.
Speaker 2:Shit. Okay, so I actually would pick Brooklyn's Finest. You want to elaborate Big yeah, fuck fist fights and lame scuffles. Pillow face to yourself. Make the calf shoot your daughter in the calf muscle. Fuck a tussle, nickel plated. Sprinkle coke on the floor. Make it drug related most hated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if they have twins, you probably have two pox here's what's crazy, like I think it's really close and it could go either way, but I don't like either beat.
Speaker 2:I don't love either beat.
Speaker 3:No, not in a while how about this?
Speaker 2:Lyrically the records are on par. Bigg's and Jay's chemistry is a little bit better than G-Rap's and Nas's. Fast Life comes off like a passing of the torch record.
Speaker 3:It does.
Speaker 2:Brooklyn's finest comes off like two guys at their peak boxing with each other. Time to separate the pros from the cons, the platinum from the bronze, the butter from the leather on the fawns.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like you said it'd be split down the middle, because we know what Queens rolling with, we know what Brooklyn rolling with.
Speaker 2:Right, but I'm with you. I don't love either one of the beats. How about this, nas See, this is the problem with the battle. Nas can bring G-Rap out to do Fast Life. Jay can't bring Big out to do Brooklyn's Finest. But you have to look at it from the perspective. If Nas brings G-Rap out and Jay brings Big out, it's Brooklyn's Finest.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yes and no. I think Brooklyn's Finest it was a moment we appreciate. Yes and no. I think Brooklyn's find is it was a moment and we appreciate moments and we actually appreciate the music, because Big, you know, said a couple of bars about pop. We appreciate that. You know what I mean and it's the first time you hear Big and Jay really going at it like that.
Speaker 2:Like how about this, how about this, the message? Or a million and one questions.
Speaker 1:The message, or a million and one questions the message is easy. The message, I think it's easy.
Speaker 2:Ain't even close. You don't think it's close? No, I don't. I think he's the GOAT. But I mean ooh, Okay, Okay, Queens, get the money. Oh my God, this nigga switched hats you just got home. Where did you get the hat from you? Just got here, I'm going to read it.
Speaker 3:I got everything on standby.
Speaker 2:Who the fuck does this?
Speaker 1:I'm going to read a super chat.
Speaker 2:You want to know what I'm keeping backup hats in my basement from now on. This is why I got stuff on standby. You want to know what I'm keeping backup hats in my basement from now on.
Speaker 3:This is why.
Speaker 1:I got stuff on standby. God's Mystery with the $5. Super Chat says I'd like to see a versus between LL Cool J and Busta Rhymes. What do y'all think about that battle? I think LL, like we talked about before, ll got just too much in the bag, too many songs. I think LL would take that.
Speaker 2:LL would win 13-7.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't think it would be close. Buster would have to pull so much from features.
Speaker 3:I agree.
Speaker 2:Buster would put your hands where my eyes can see and all you would hear is LL Cool J is hard as hell. Anybody, I don't care, It'd be over right there by the time the beat drops, it'd be a front.
Speaker 1:I don't like that, a friend, and I'm petty. If that was a real matchup, round one I'm getting whoever Busta or LL round one, I'm getting Flavoring here remixed off so the other person can't use it First of all LL Cool J has no business using that verse.
Speaker 2:We still don't know what the hell L was talking about.
Speaker 1:We don't know what Ghost was talking about on Nutmeg, and neither does he. That doesn't mean it ain't dope. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3:Blast me, don't do that.
Speaker 2:He said it himself Don't do that, don't do that man. No, no, no. We don't talk about Ghost and Supreme.
Speaker 3:Clientel. We don't do that. Y'all both was up in arms on that.
Speaker 1:We need to back up, we need to back all the way up.
Speaker 3:I knew what we were talking about you don't disrespect Supreme Clientele.
Speaker 2:We don't do that, that's not me.
Speaker 1:The man said it himself. He didn't know what he was talking about.
Speaker 2:I don't care what he said I don't care what he said.
Speaker 1:He didn't care, I don't. I'm still trying to figure out. Look here, I love Nutmeg.
Speaker 2:I'm still trying to figure out what the hell Supreme Clientele is about as a whole. I just know the album title Fixed the way that he's talking. I don't care about the rest. It makes perfect sense to me. It's like what's the name of the album? Supreme Clientele? That's what it sounds like Next.
Speaker 3:You don't like the LL verse, though, ishi name of the album Supreme Clientele.
Speaker 2:That's what it sounds like. Okay, next, you don't like the LL verse though. Ishi, uh, bloatitious, skeevy, delicious, give me goose, goose. Damn Hollis the Hollywood, I guess, like the jeans Flavor, like praline, sick daddy, nah, I mean, I love it when he does it, niggas buzzing, but was it really just the flavor that be clogging your ears? No, we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's better when it goes don't act like he wasn't rapping along to that verse. Everybody do, you'll say.
Speaker 3:I rapped along to that verse at the time.
Speaker 2:First of all, Big has a better verse, busta has a better verse.
Speaker 3:And has a better verse.
Speaker 2:Busta has a better verse and Craig Mack has a better verse. Rampage, though Rampage. I just named the people that don't, because even Craig Mack snapped on there.
Speaker 1:People forget Craig Mack's verse on there.
Speaker 2:People forget Craig Mack's verse on there. Because of how great Biggie and Busta was To your gut, did your girl's butt, I scraped it, shaped it Now she won't show up. I smashed teeth. Fuck your beef. No relief. I step on stage. Girls scream like I'm Keith. Craig Mack got busy on there.
Speaker 1:The original don't get played at all. Man, that's crazy. But as long as the LL wasn't last, you know.
Speaker 3:Right, the LL gonna last Queens get the money.
Speaker 2:LL beating a lot of niggas in the versus Nas and Jay in trouble against L too.
Speaker 3:You got to be careful with L.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of big records.
Speaker 1:You want to know what's crazy? This is the wildest thing I may have ever heard, but it was when versus was actually a thing. Juicy J was talking about how much love he got for Nas and he said that Nas would be the person he'd want to go up against in a versus. I thought that was like random as hell, like that would be like a clash of sounds. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I turned to channel when I saw that.
Speaker 2:Have you? Have you heard? Have you heard? Get down. Niggas ran Tennessee for years and they chilling yeah, memphis, get Down. Niggas ran Tennessee for years and they chilling yeah, memphis, he talking about Memphis. Yeah, yeah, he shouting out Memphis. How many New York niggas shout out Memphis in a song when they're at their peak? Yeah, like niggas hear everything.
Speaker 1:Think about how that would sound, though.
Speaker 2:20 tracks of Nas going back and forth with you know 3-6.
Speaker 3:I know bands that make a dance.
Speaker 2:I don't know, Bands that make a dance is better than Dr Knockboot Shit. Whoa, whoa cool.
Speaker 3:Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Dr Knockboot was my anthem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was like the handbook, that was like a mantra. That was a handbook man. Yeah, it was. It was Clutch Times in 99.
Speaker 2:It it's a handbook with a whack-ass beat. Oh cool, beat is whack, beat is terrible as long as the handbook works, that's all.
Speaker 3:That's all that matters.
Speaker 2:That's some of his worst beat selection. That's some of his worst beat selection.
Speaker 1:People try to act like Dr Notboots wasn't on the early leaked bootlegs I am. They try to erase it from history, but it was in fact on there.
Speaker 2:It was the worst beat on that album it was.
Speaker 3:It was the worst beat, that's fair.
Speaker 1:No Big Things. Now, this is not the bootleg, but for me and we're going way off topic Big Things is Nas' worst song ever. Sound like he was chasing the beat and never did catch it.
Speaker 2:I think Big Girl is pretty bad off. Nostradamus, I think it's pretty bad.
Speaker 1:I love the original song. I grew up listening to that song. Big Girl now Big Girl's not good.
Speaker 3:Big Things is worse though.
Speaker 2:Big Girl, Big Things. You need to stay away from the Big Talk.
Speaker 3:Bad Massage. Kitson was dope. I'm not going front.
Speaker 1:Love that record.
Speaker 3:That was was dope, I'm not going front. Oh, I love that record that was my joint.
Speaker 2:I'm not going front. Love that record Voice and shit you niggas. Is wild that song is terrible.
Speaker 3:Which one Kissing? Kissing is tough. I'm not going front.
Speaker 1:That record was everywhere. When I was in high school, everybody was playing that record.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that was my joint. I'm not going to Cool. Everybody used to play fucking MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice too. That don't mean the record was good. Kissing is a good song, Actually, they put me in the mix by Hammer was actually a pretty dope record.
Speaker 3:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:They put me in the mix was the shit.
Speaker 3:I don't care what nobody said. You may not like Hammer. They put me in the mix at the school dance.
Speaker 1:I was going crazy. You had the Hammer pants on, sean.
Speaker 2:First of all everybody had Hammer pants.
Speaker 3:Everybody had Hammer pants.
Speaker 2:Niggas our age, acting like they didn't have Hammer pants is lying.
Speaker 3:You're lying. I'm like nine years old.
Speaker 2:You had one pair of hammer pants.
Speaker 1:At least one pair. You begged your mother for them.
Speaker 2:You begged your mother for some hammer pants.
Speaker 1:I had some zebra stripe joints. It was nasty man.
Speaker 2:I had some purple and blue joints. Best day of my life, when my mama got me a hammer pant, I had the black and white polka dot joints.
Speaker 3:I got into fighting them joints. Oh, you're fighting the hammer, pants and nasty work.
Speaker 2:You doing the hammer Kwame. Mix the hammer pants with the polka dots. You doing the hammer. Kwame yeah, you deserve the fight he was kind of slow though he was like you know what.
Speaker 1:The hammer pants with Tim's is nasty.
Speaker 3:I don't know, about you. Yo Kuk, dude was strong, though he was like one of those guys that kind of off. We knew he was like older than us but he was in our same grade and we were laughing, but he was kind of off. But he had, like that crazy person strength and dude was cool.
Speaker 2:Oh, I hit him with all my might. Hey, look here, the nigga that punched me in the eye had failed the grade. That's why I was picking on him, because he was older than me but he was a grade behind me, so it's like he was taller and bigger than me, but the nigga had failed. And I was talking about how stupid he was. You know I'm an asshole. Yo Sean fighting a dude in hammer pants and Timbs is nasty. It is nasty Hammer Pants and Timbs.
Speaker 1:Sean, stop it the dude out, it's some Timbs and Hammer Pants. Who you got me, did any Chinese typewriter the way I can't do?
Speaker 2:this. I can't do this.
Speaker 2:You can't do this, okay, so hold on. So let's wrap up this versus conversation, though, because it's like, culturally speaking, in all honesty, I do take big issue with what swiss and tim are doing, and here's why you guys have access to the black artists in the black music. Why do you keep going, yeah, to the whites to fix your problems? And when I mean the whites, see, here's what the whites means to me. It means elite white people with money who take advantage of our climate to the detraction of our culture.
Speaker 2:Now, if y'all are doing this for the culture, you know it could be a negotiating point where it's like oh no, we want to do the verses and numbers have shown, the streams are going to go like this, but you have to give this artist X amount of their publishing back so that we can do it. They could use it as an actual negotiating and leverage piece, but it appears that they're just doing it for clout and relevancy, and that's my problem with it let me ask you this cool playing devil's advocate do you think that a lot of the you know, the wealthy black people?
Speaker 1:they might have went to them, but they wouldn't get behind, versus and partner with them because they didn't want no part of it. So, as a resort resort, you got to go to the Elon Musk of the world. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So my retort to that isn't a retort. It's a statement that I've been making for a long time and I'm going to make it again. One of the biggest problems that we have in our culture is that when we, as black people here in America, gain power, money and influence, we then, in turn, start behaving like the white people who oppressed us that we took issue with to begin with. We adopt the model of their behavior, of their pattern and of their psychological breakdown of us, and so I see it as a systemic problem. When they move the way that they move and I don't want to go so far as to call them sellouts, but there is something about it that I find intrinsically problematic in terms of the behavior. It's like you guys.
Speaker 2:Both of these guys are worth a couple hundred mil. Okay, so you all know this because you're both very astute men. Well, in order to start a business and to fund a business, you really just need 10%. These guys collectively are worth roughly half a billion dollars, like in equity, which means legitimately, they could go get a billion dollars to fund a business. So if you were really about the culture, you could actually fund getting these people out of these bad publishing deals to do these verses the right way.
Speaker 2:They could actually pay these. They actually have enough literal collateral and equity within their own bank accounts to go secure a business loan to buy these people's publishing back and really do it for the culture and really put the money back in the artist's pocket and create an economic structure where that streaming money and that revenue money and that tour money would then cycle back into the black economy. But that would be a lot of work, that would be hard, that would be difficult, that would be a lot, that would be hard, that would be difficult, that would be a lot. And so instead they like, hey, white man with a lot of money, go ahead and sponsor this so we can get these rocks off right quick. And then they're not really fixing the problem, they're propagating and projecting the problem.
Speaker 1:And that's the easy way out to your point.
Speaker 2:But and that's the deep dive of. But just on the surface level. What does Versus even have to offer at this point? Nothing. Well, here's the thing about it, and this is why it seems like a clout chase. At this point We'd let it go, but they are holding on to it. You want to know why they're holding on to it? Because their relevancy is tapped into it. When the last time somebody talked about Timberland producing somebody's album, and it was a big deal. When the last time, somebody talked about Swiss producing an album, and it was a big deal.
Speaker 2:There's something about it that seems a little selfish and a little personal. But they have. They have enough money in their bank accounts to create enough collateral that they could go buy out some of these catalogs. Like, how about this? Why isn't somebody like scarface, who owns all his publishing, not been a part of this? Yet do you know how much averses financially could help fund scarface because he owns his publishing? So imagine scarface doing averses like in the streaming money going to scarface. It's funny how those people have been left out of this mix. You understand, the people who have ownership of their catalogs have all been left out of this mix.
Speaker 1:If we didn't see Scarface in it before, we definitely ain't going to see him now.
Speaker 2:What I'm saying is that the people who own they shit have never been a part of this. Don't you think that's a little ironic, right?
Speaker 1:No, that was a very good point.
Speaker 2:I didn't even think about that, like how about this? When they did the Isley Brothers and Earth Wind Fire, I was happy. But I was kind of like, well, why don't y'all just go buy their catalog and give them their masters back?
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:So that when it happened, it could literally be their retirement fund. You understand that that shit was big enough to a point that they literally off the streams and doing one more tour probably could have secured themselves financially for the rest of their days. Now, were you concerned with taking care of these legends or were you concerned with your place and your stake in the game?
Speaker 2:It's the look, it's the look. Don't tell me that you care. Show me that you care. Do the right thing, and maybe I'm a little different. You know who I share a birthday with, right who Nat Turner. Nat Turner was born on October 2nd, just like me it makes sense.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it does make sense. Nat Turner would not support K-Dot if he was here today.
Speaker 1:Oh no, oh no yo Nat, though we gotta get up out of here.
Speaker 2:Nat Turner would say they not like us.
Speaker 1:Hey what he say they not like us yo, sean, you got anything you want to add because you know you missed those few other segments in the beginning. You got anything you want to add for you.
Speaker 3:I appreciate you brothers man. It's love. Man. I really enjoyed listening to you guys while I was on that plane. Man, I really really, really needed that straight up, really need to get that reprieve and just being able to laugh with you guys and hear you guys really go back and forth and Coop embracing the villain arc. I really loved it, man. Let me go in front. This is one of those and I appreciate the chat for going crazy. The chat was going crazy, man. It was going at coop, coop, don't care like I don't corner.
Speaker 1:You got a corner thing that you got anything to add to the corner to the corner I had a couple ideas for the corner.
Speaker 2:One of the things I was going to talk about, since I talked about the passing of my aunt Sonia, is that and I kind of want to leave it like this and we can leave it like this and I don't want to leave it too heavy Stop waiting until somebody is gone to tell them that you love them and stop thinking you know what I hate. I hate when they say check up on your strong friend. How about you check up on all your friends? Motherfucker, like Check up on your strong friend. How about you check up on all your friends, motherfucker, like the only thing. That's given me solace and I say this in all seriousness.
Speaker 2:I've never cried like this in my life. I cried so much when I was in Charlotte that my eyes literally start to hurt. I didn't know what it felt like to cry that much, and I've lost a lot of people and been through a lot of heartache. This woman was like a second mother to me. I cried so much to the point that my eyes were starting to hurt. I had to make myself stop crying over the course of a few days just because my eyes were hurting so bad the last time I talked to her, I told her that I love her. The last time I texted her, I told her that I love her. Every time I take my daughter to work or to school, when she gets out the car, I tell her I love her. Stop, time I take my daughter to work or to school, when she gets out the car, I tell her I love her.
Speaker 2:Stop waiting until it's too late to tell somebody that you love them. Stop waiting until somebody is gone to check up on them. Stop checking up on your strong friend and check up on all your friends, because I realized through the process of me grieving right now we have mental health issues, even about how we look out for each other. We try to make it a hashtag check up on your strong friend. No well, if I could check up on your weak friend, your middle friend, your strong friend.
Speaker 2:Stop being so ashamed to tell people that you love them. Tell them that you love them. It's not promised to you, nothing is promised to us, and so I just want to stress the mental health awareness, as I'm grieving and my family's grieving and my mother's grieving, and my cousin six is grieving and her husband is grieving Like the last thing that I did on Father's Day, and I'll leave it like this. The last thing I did on Father's Day is that I actually called my aunt's now widowed husband at eleven30 to wish him a happy Father's Day, and I spent my last bit of Father's Day on the phone with him checking up on him and letting him know that I love him.
Speaker 2:Like that's what matters. Let's start doing the things that matter and really checking up on and looking out for each other in the community. Like the mental health is real, like it may, like I have to keep myself from thinking about her because it just brings me to tears. You know, I told my mom is like I told my mom literally yesterday. It's like you know, I said I can't imagine what you and your other sister are going through and what my cousin's going through and what the other, her other kids, are going through. And I was like I'm just trying to be strong for y'all. She's like, stop doing that. It's OK to not be. Ok, armand, that's right, that's a fact. You told me. My mom told me she said it's OK that you're not OK. She's like we don't need you to be strong for us, we need you to be who you've always been. Thanks, you know. So let's just check up on each other. Stop being afraid or ashamed to tell people that you love you. I'm going to tell you something.
Speaker 2:It even affected my daughter when I dropped her off from work. Uh, um, a couple of days ago she hopped out the car because she was like literally like one minute from being late and she hopped out the car and she started walking towards the door and she walked back and opened up the car door and was like hey, I love you dad. I was like bet, love you too, gotcha, you know what I'm saying. Like you gotta do it. It's not promised and so, as hurt as I am, as much as I'm grieving, I know that the last conversation I had with her I told her I love her. I know the last text message I sent her. I told her that I loved her. That's about the best as I can leave it since she's gone. Absolutely. Just check up on your people.
Speaker 1:And to your point, bro, like us brothers, we got to keep each other propped up and you know I didn't know you was back in Charlotte last weekend. I go to Charlotte quite often and I pulled up there. I was there on Tuesday, if I know you was there. You know I said I should have checked in and checked on you and could have you know what I'm saying linked up. You know what I'm saying. You know chill had an opportunity to talk about it. But to your point, we got to do that. You know, say like you know, hey, how you doing, you know what I'm saying, oh, you.
Speaker 2:So music is my safe haven. The only time I was in Charlotte that I wasn't crying was when I went to my cousin's house and her and her dude were in the studio making beats and listening to the tracks for me and it just took it off my mind for a minute. Music has always been my safe place, right? My aunt Tanya is one of the people that helped create that safe space for me. Every Sunday she would get up and cook breakfast and listen to Mary J Blige's my Life or listen to the OJ's or Earth, wind and Fire. She loves some Bootsy Collins and the Rubber Band. She dealt with a lot of her pain through music and she passed that on to me.
Speaker 2:It's the only time that I was really in condition to be around somebody that wasn't my family was actually when I was in the fucking booth listening to music and listening to the beats and talking to my cousin about the music and talking to her and her dude about how I could help them with their stuff. I was like hey, like, like you know, I even like threw some fucking I threw. I even dangled a caring from. I was like hey, I was like y'all keep getting, keep getting good at this shit. I'm gonna have to send it to six, right you know.
Speaker 2:So just check up on your people, be strong, be well, be good, take care of each other, tell. Tell the people that you love, that you love them, and don't wait till they're gone to tell them. You should tell them every day, like if you love somebody. You should tell them every day, every time you see them, every time you talk to them. It shouldn't be a struggle to do that. That's part of the mental health issue and the psychology that this community has, particularly us as black men. I'm not doing that shit. That's the corner. And to keep things light as we go, I just want to let all you Kendrick fans know you still suck. Even through all my grief, you still suck.
Speaker 3:That's wild.
Speaker 1:That's a wild transition.
Speaker 2:You can send me condolences, I'll be like, hey, I appreciate your condolences, your takes are horrible, your fan base sucks, he hasn't made a good album in seven years, and you all need to get some help too. But guess what I'll tell you after I say that. But I love you though. I love you, you need to get some help.
Speaker 2:You need a different type of help, See I got mental health issues, so I might need certain type of help, but you need help with your music ear, which is what I'm here for, so I love you and have a good night.
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Speaker 3:Yes, sir, I can end it.