What if TikTok is the key to unlocking the next phase of our growth? This week's episode of Hip Hop Talks kicks off with some electrifying announcements, including our expansion to TikTok and a fresh Sunday brunch series focused on in-depth album breakdowns. We dive into a riveting discussion about our burgeoning audience on the West Coast and Coop's insightful seven-hour session dissecting Glowrilla's latest hits. Coop boldly argues that Glowrilla has the potential to become a major hitmaker, despite not yet reaching the heights of Nicki Minaj or Cardi B.
We then shift gears to discuss the crucial elements of branding and success for emerging female rappers. Cardi B's strategic use of singles, features, and personal branding serves as a case study, prompting us to question whether artists like Sexy Red can replicate her longevity. Drawing on examples, we illustrate how personality, charisma, and media savvy are vital tools for sustaining a hip-hop career. This conversation sets the stage for a broader look at the competitive landscape of hip-hop, where we scrutinize the high-stakes face-off between Kendrick Lamar and Drake.
Finally, we tackle the latest projects from major artists and our personal top album lists of the year. From Carmen and Pete Rock's new venture to Nas' collaboration with DJ Premier, we debate the hits and misses of 2024. Along the way, we share our individual top album picks, discuss the disappointments, and anticipate upcoming releases. Whether you’re a casual listener or a hip-hop connoisseur, this episode offers a vibrant and engaging analysis of the genre’s current state. Tune in and join the conversation on the ever-evolving hip-hop scene.
What if TikTok is the key to unlocking the next phase of our growth? This week's episode of Hip Hop Talks kicks off with some electrifying announcements, including our expansion to TikTok and a fresh Sunday brunch series focused on in-depth album breakdowns. We dive into a riveting discussion about our burgeoning audience on the West Coast and Coop's insightful seven-hour session dissecting Glowrilla's latest hits. Coop boldly argues that Glowrilla has the potential to become a major hitmaker, despite not yet reaching the heights of Nicki Minaj or Cardi B.
We then shift gears to discuss the crucial elements of branding and success for emerging female rappers. Cardi B's strategic use of singles, features, and personal branding serves as a case study, prompting us to question whether artists like Sexy Red can replicate her longevity. Drawing on examples, we illustrate how personality, charisma, and media savvy are vital tools for sustaining a hip-hop career. This conversation sets the stage for a broader look at the competitive landscape of hip-hop, where we scrutinize the high-stakes face-off between Kendrick Lamar and Drake.
Finally, we tackle the latest projects from major artists and our personal top album lists of the year. From Carmen and Pete Rock's new venture to Nas' collaboration with DJ Premier, we debate the hits and misses of 2024. Along the way, we share our individual top album picks, discuss the disappointments, and anticipate upcoming releases. Whether you’re a casual listener or a hip-hop connoisseur, this episode offers a vibrant and engaging analysis of the genre’s current state. Tune in and join the conversation on the ever-evolving hip-hop scene.
Yo peace. Welcome to Hip Hop Talks. I'm one of your hosts. Ag. Got the homie Coop with me. What up Coop? Got the OG Sean? What's up Sean? What's good?
Speaker 1:Yo, we here today. You know, like and subscribe to the channel, tell a friend to tell a friend to pull up. You can find Hip Hop Talks on YouTube, as you're watching right now. You can also find us on Apple Music, spotify, amazon. You can also find us at iHeartRadio. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter and we'd like to give our announcement that Hip Hop Talks is now available on TikTok. If you check my Twitter page, I just posted the link on there. Check out Adriel Green on Twitter. You'll find our TikTok link there. So what do you got to say, coop? You Check out.
Speaker 3:Adriel Green on Twitter. You'll find our TikTok link there. So what do you got to say, coop? You want to make any more announcements about our new addition to TikTok? Yeah, it's fun. I had a talk with a digital creator down in the city a couple of weeks ago and, quite frankly, she told me she was like you know, you're all behind, is fucking up and you need to get with the times and get on TikTok. She's like you're hurting the traction and hurting the fact that y'all could be a main attraction by not getting on this platform. She's like it's how we get down, so you need to get down with the get down. I reposted your thread on Twitter so you can go to Adriel green all the things with coop or hip hop talks and get our new TikTok link. I'm excited, you know. Uh, link, um, I'm excited.
Speaker 3:You know we continue to grow and develop every week. We're starting this brunch on sunday thing. Well, I think we're going to start making it a regular thing where we pull up on the weekend while everybody's at home. You know our regular show is on thursday, so we really haven't had the proper time to give the full album breakdown analysis that we'd like because, quite frankly, by the time thursday has come around, the way the media cycle works these days, it's been forgotten. This gives us an opportunity to tap back in. Everybody, like and subscribe to the home base, which is the YouTube page. Like and subscribe to all the things that we're doing. We're coming.
Speaker 4:Also shout out to Apple. Shout out to Spotify those of you who tap in on Apple, we really appreciate those algorithms over there. Shout out to the ads who've been actually reaching out to us via Apple, as we're syndicated there and we're also syndicated over on the West Coast California, la, san Diego, vallejo, as well as San Francisco. So thank you, guys for all the support over there. A lot of our large audience is actually coming from the West Coast. So thank you for showing some love, and thank you for our East Coast sponsors, as well as our South and our Northeast and everyone in between. So thank you all for the support and love.
Speaker 3:It's my favorite day of the week. To make it from Sunday to Sunday, that shit is deep Right on Sundays. Yeah. I got a little Sunday snack over here.
Speaker 4:What snack you on, man?
Speaker 3:Grail mix yeah, peanuts, almonds, things that help clean the kidneys and the digestive tract.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Healthy Sunday snack. Certainly snack. Yeah, how about you, aj? Which snack notes are Dave Hall's?
Speaker 1:I'm not even answering that question, that question's wild man.
Speaker 4:We'll move on to the first topic.
Speaker 3:He's already starting. It's early, it's only been five minutes since the show.
Speaker 4:All right man.
Speaker 3:I'll keep it on for the night.
Speaker 4:I'll keep it on, man, because I'm trying to be sensible on Sunday man.
Speaker 3:On the Lord's Day. I mean, church just ended, sean, it just ended.
Speaker 4:One o'clock, people just got out of church.
Speaker 1:For some of us it's just midway. That just started not too long ago In the Black community. I will say we start a little bit later. Yeah especially in West.
Speaker 4:Virginia, it's crazy.
Speaker 3:First of all, I didn't know there were Black people in West Virginia until I met AG.
Speaker 1:Y'all are wild, y'all are wild.
Speaker 4:I'm being honest with you, y'all are wild. Shout out to West Virginia, though.
Speaker 1:We everywhere. We take it over Okay.
Speaker 3:Where are we starting off today?
Speaker 4:That's how we starting it off. So cool. I'm going to slide it over to you. Bro, when do you want to start with? You know, get into the moments in 2024. So far, yeah.
Speaker 3:So for me, my cousin Six came over here yesterday. We sat down for about seven hours. I haven't. We haven't hung out that long together, just me and him in a long time. You know cuz does some of everything. He's not just, he wasn't just my producer, but he's a hip-hop guy, so he does a lot of mixes and me and him were having a conversation about Glowrilla. His favorite record is yeah, glow, what's? The name of the Meg in Glow record.
Speaker 3:Wannabe. It's called Wannabe. I think Glow is slowly but surely not saying she's the biggest woman in this space but with those two records and with her momentum from the previous year, I think she deserves some recognition because she's proven herself to be a bona fide hit maker and she's here to stay. I think, like Wannabe and yeah, glow, I think, are two of the best singles released this year and so that moment is a moment with meg. But glow is like having a moment right now and I think it's kind of going unrecognized.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying she's as big as nikki or all over the media cycle of social media, like cardi she's not any of those things yet but this year in her I see somebody that can be those things and and and she's and me and cuz was talking about and she's so Memphis like we have family from Memphis. It's like, yeah, she's so Memphis, she we were talking about her and Meg doing wannabe. Is this generation like 8 ball and MJG and UGK coming together? This is what the updated formula of it looks like. So I think the big moment, one of my big moments this year and I talked about it because of how my daughter put me onto the song is Wannabe by Glow and Meg and it's a banger. So that's where I want to start. I want to start showing Glow some love.
Speaker 4:I respect that she's been having a pretty good year. I think she's trying to find her groove. I think this year was her really finding her own voice when it comes to this whole thing, because when she came through, you know, the female rap landscape was like really blooming at that time and you were trying to figure who's going to pull away from the pack. I think that we're starting to see cardi, you know, put some singles out there, but there's no mention of an album right. So now you have, you know, you have glow, who's really starting to get some some momentum.
Speaker 4:Um, you have nikki, kind of leveling off a little bit. Um, she's here, she's there. When she comes up, she's there. But when she comes up, she's there. But in these moments when she's not active-active, you have someone like Glo who's actually continued to keep that momentum building up. Ice Spice kind of fell back a little bit. Lotto has kind of fallen back a little bit. We talked about this, I know, in the very first beginning of our show we talked about even what's Shorty's name, who's rocking with Swiss Beats right now.
Speaker 1:I forget her name, but I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 4:You know who I'm talking about right.
Speaker 3:The fact that we can't remember her name right now is kind of.
Speaker 4:Get out of my face, new York. She's the one with the aggressive they call her the female DMX.
Speaker 1:What's her name? Scarlet Scarface, scarlet, scarlet Scarlet.
Speaker 4:Yeah, she went and got a whole makeover a couple weeks ago to try to look more like a glow or a lotto, and it didn't work for her.
Speaker 1:That was a big topic in our Discord chat when that happened.
Speaker 4:Absolutely so. To Coop's point, I think Glo is starting now to create some separation from the pack. I don't think she's away from the pack yet, but she's starting to show who she really is amongst the pack.
Speaker 3:Well, how about this? A year ago, you would have been like who's going to have, who's going to be the one hit wonder, who's gonna have the bigger year in order? And if you were to go ice, spice, lotto and glow this time a year ago, glow would have came in. Third, am I wrong? So she's really stepped her game up and proven herself to be a bona fide hit maker, because now she's walking around with hits not hit singular, she's got hits and shout out to her she, you know, getting a little bit more notoriety.
Speaker 1:She was just on the last episode of the shop with LeBron, you know. So yeah, on HBO Max, you know. So check that out. It had Glorilla, hit Boy was on the same episode and MGK, so it was pretty dope.
Speaker 3:That's an interesting lineup.
Speaker 4:Very interesting lineup.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it had Johnny Manziel on there too. It was a wild lineup.
Speaker 3:Well, I like that. That's West Coast in hit, that's Midwest with MGK and that's Southwood glow. Shout out to Memphis. Shout out to my nephew Judah in Memphis when do you guys see Sexy Red?
Speaker 4:amongst all of this, because she's still out there, but she's also getting a lot of flack from a lot of different people. I think there's a city that she's becoming a caricature. She's overdoing it. What do you guys see her amongst all of this? She has a lot going on as well.
Speaker 1:Bad publicity is still publicity. She's still keeping her name in the algorithm.
Speaker 3:Of all the women that have popped up in the last few years, she's the one that I'm most fascinated by how she streamed into our consciousness and I still it's funny like I still don't know who she is. You know what I'm saying. Like maybe it's because I know Memphis. It's like no, I feel like I know Glo, I know Meg, I know Cardi. I's like no, I feel like I know Glow, I know Meg, I know Cardi, I know Nicki. You know what I'm saying. I know Che Noir, I know Love the Genius, I know Sims. I don't know who Sexy Red is yet still.
Speaker 1:But what are your expectations based on the type of music she makes? Because the type of music she makes I don't really would listen to her and expect to.
Speaker 3:What's that record she had? That was big.
Speaker 1:The Rich Baby. I mean not the joint with Drake, but her joint.
Speaker 3:I forget the name of it. It's not a joint, I just can't think of the name. But it's big, but it's one of those things. It's like well, we can have the same conversation about her that we were having about GLOW and ICE this time last year. What are they going to do with it? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Pound Town. Appreciate you LP.
Speaker 3:Pound Town. How about this? There are guys who make the all-star game one time and you know they're not going to the hall of fame. So it's like is she just a one-time or two-time all-star or she got like some hall of fame potential? That's what I mean. Is that, like, I don't know who she is like glow is starting to show me who she is. It's like, oh no, you're turning yourself into a verifiable hit maker in this business. She has charisma, she has personality. I love the fact that she's on LeBron's shop, like, doing interviews, making the rounds. These are the things you have to do in today's times. I love her personality. Like, when I watch these videos behind the scene of, like her, megan Lotto having dance competitions and stuff, you get what I'm saying. It gives me some insight into the person and the personality. Yeah.
Speaker 3:All of these things matter because your branding and your sponsorship might bring you more money than the music does. Right. Even if you make hits, and so that's what I'm saying. It's like, well, I still don't know who sexy red is. She's. She's the chick Like to me, like right now, even outside of her single. She's the chick to me right now, even outside of her single. She's the chick going back and forth with Drake on his album. That's not knowing the artist.
Speaker 1:But to your point, coop, where you usually get to know any artist is through an entire body of work and album right, and it seems like the approach of a lot of these, um, you know, big-time female rappers in this space is to release the singles, work the singles, and then they're creating hits off that. You know what I mean. A lot of them are not taking the album approach. They're releasing lucy after lucy, no pun intended, but um, we're, um, you know, you don't say there's no album, there's no album really in sight. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:They just, you know, doing the uh thing we're doing well, I mean okay, so for me cardi is the blueprint of. You can get away with that now, though like she said that.
Speaker 1:She said that, uh, you know, yeah, she said that tone like we all know who cardi is.
Speaker 3:We still waiting on album number two and we all know who cardi is. That's what I mean when I'm like well, who are you? Because there is a blueprint and a model in cardi that says no, you don't even got to release like an album every other year to be big.
Speaker 1:Cardi's first album came out in 2017 yeah, there's no representation of property 2017 yeah, as long as you get features, features and keep your name, you know in the algorithm you know they don't have to release albums and, like I said, that's where you get to know artists, you know where you really do a deep dive into who you are.
Speaker 3:But you know like this is what I mean. But during the pandemic, cardi showed us who she was. Yes, music, talking about issues that she felt affected by it, resonated with people. Actually, it made people go. First of all, she's a little bit more intelligent than insightful than we gave her credit for for one. Obviously good at branding and marketing because was able to market herself and brand herself outside of the hip-hop world. Think about it how many people like these reality TV shows don't make people who aren't stars into big stars. They take people who used to be big stars and keep their star power going Right, not the opposite, all right.
Speaker 1:She made herself a big star.
Speaker 3:She made herself a big star off of this she has, she, has she has, she has. She's the only person that's even given Nicki a run numbers wise In terms of following. She's the only person that's even given Nicki any run Like numbers wise if we're talking about the Metrics of it With one album.
Speaker 4:And a huge, massive single.
Speaker 3:That single was that's the best rap song. I met you, oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4:The best rap song I year. Oh, yeah, for sure, easy. The best rap song that year Easy.
Speaker 3:But where she won big was by letting everybody in and getting to see her for who she was Right. You know, when she throws shade on her husband because of his nefarious behavior, you know Women relate to that. They like the fact that she doesn't hide that. It's like, yeah, fuck them up, you know, yeah, they co-sign it, she's real, she's authentic. Yeah, you feel like you can touch her, absolutely, absolutely and it, it's an.
Speaker 3:Yeah For the fellas. You want to touch her. I'm not pausing on that. Offset need to stop fucking up. Offset, need to stop fucking up. Let me tell you what you do. You don't put prime real estate back on the market. That's not what you do. You wait for the equity to build my G. Just giving you a little bit of advice.
Speaker 4:He can't help himself he can't help bit of advice. He can't help himself.
Speaker 3:He can't help himself. I'll put her back outside if you want to. I wouldn't do that. Go ahead, Sean. What were you saying? I'm sorry.
Speaker 4:It doesn't seem like it's over-exaggerated, like she's actually. This is who she really is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is who she is.
Speaker 4:This is who she is. When you think about Sexy Red, it just seems like there's so much going on with Sexy Red. It just seems like it's and I might be who she is too, but it's just like it's so much that it becomes damn near cringy. You know what I mean, even for the culture itself, because now you're talking about someone like Sexy Red, who hasn't? She just did a feature with Drake and it hasn't. She just did a feature with Drake and it hasn't really pushed the needle. So you have to ask yourself now does the community start to look at her differently? And you start to hear some things come out, you know, like who she's managed by, what that dynamic look like, what that hue look like.
Speaker 4:So, it's almost like to the point. Where is this being a force tactic? On her side, as opposed to you, have someone like Glo, who you're starting to see her maturation process in a hip-hop game.
Speaker 3:So here would be the separation that I'll tell you, not about the hit records, but about Glo coming out of her shell. In addition to the hit records Like this time last year couldn't care less if she dropped an album. Now I kind of want to hear another album not the album with these records on them. Now that I'm seeing her in the cycle like this and seeing her personality and seeing her charm, seeing her charisma, seeing her still be so Memphis while she does all that, now it's like, yeah, I kind of want to hear album from you. Like I want to know what your next album is going to sound like. I don't think we're there with sexy red yet, because she hasn't indoctrinated herself enough in our consciousness to have us thinking about her on that level yet. And then you listen to this.
Speaker 3:Well, I, like me and andrew, were on mirror music yesterday. We were talking about what's the 411 by Mary J Blige? You know we're doing our Grammy revisionist catalog. Mary had it as much as any black woman in the last 40 years of music has it. That thing that draws you to the person. It's like, damn how well they sing and or rap, damn the beats, damn the album. You're drawn to the person. That matters now more than it ever did when it comes to music and media and entertainment. More than it ever did, it matters.
Speaker 3:And so I think what we're seeing from sexy red right now is that some of this is feeling forced, and it might be forced because she doesn't have it, whereas glow is showing like no, I got it. Like you like me, you want to fuck with me. You know what I'm saying and that's what we really need to see, because that's what dictates the pace these days. Like, like, we talk about this all the time and we make a lot of get off my lawn joke. And I pulled up about the Summer Jam thing. Like fuck them kids. But this is music, this is hip hop. The kids run the space, they gotta fuck with you. You know what I'm saying. Even the young dudes that get at me about Kendrick well, they get at me because they fuck with me, because they respect me. You get what I'm saying. They don't like what I'm saying, but they know that I know my shit. They got to fuck with you to even talk that shit to you.
Speaker 4:Right right.
Speaker 1:But sometimes the answer is right in front of us, right? You know, with the sexy red, like I said, I'm not the content and the music that she's put out I'm not really looking to. You know, really find out who she is through that type of content. But what I will say is, you know, from a marketer's perspective, she probably thinks that he doesn't have to give more of who she is because, like I said, you're doing all these records with drake, who's the, you know, biggest person in our space. You know, arguably, and it should just move and get traction off that alone. Logically, that might be the thought process.
Speaker 4:That's fair. That's fair Honestly, that's fair. You've got Drake, who is still one of the biggest, if not the biggest, artists in this game right now.
Speaker 1:They got how many records together?
Speaker 4:Is it three? I think it's two or three, but they're not moving like that.
Speaker 3:Only one of the records is moving. Them other two records don't count, right? They don't mean anything Like if you have a record with Drake and it's not moving the meter, that record don't count, because the whole point of doing a record with Drake is to move the meter. If it's not moving the meter, it don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That was probably the plan, because it was probably the assumption that all we got to do is get you and Drake to link up and these songs are going to be out of here.
Speaker 3:Having three songs with him is total overkill to me, because who else gets that?
Speaker 4:I think it's two.
Speaker 3:I think it's only two. It's still one too many for a new artist. That's bad business on both sides, in my opinion, absolutely.
Speaker 4:Because that first one should have been the one that took you out of here, where now you can start doing your thing. That's the springboard, that's the springboard.
Speaker 1:But then it's that conversation that Drake has vested interest. Because how was she you know the whole talk about her being a plant and stuff, you know with drake doing these records with her when she was unknown to blow her up? So you know the whole thing, um, about drake having the best of interest in the label. You know what I mean, because we still don't know what those dealings are or what his deal is behind the scenes. So if he's getting a kickback on these songs that they do certain numbers, then it will behoove him to do these features with her. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:First of all, everybody got to kick back something to Drake. That's why all these dudes have been dissing him. They've all had to kick back to him. People got to like, really read between the lines. It's like, how about this? It's like we've never seen a guy like this that's literally been responsible for so many other people's hits. That has somebody like J Prince behind them, as in. You really don't want to tell me no. You really can't afford to tell me no. It's really not a wise idea because of who's backing me for you to tell me no. When is somebody like this ever been backed by the likes of a baby and a J Prince, who are notorious for a lot of other things as well? You get what I'm saying. It's like thanks to type of dudes you play with in a city. You've been to Houston, been to new Orleans before ever heard what people say in those towns about what you shouldn't do when you win the town, that's a big fact.
Speaker 1:in the town, that's a big fact. He's a cash cow, you know. I mean he brings a lot of people money.
Speaker 4:He's always been, though he's always been.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but you also can't afford to say no. You know what I'm saying. There it is. So a lot of the problems are because you know he's a problem that you can't solve. Yeah, he's still going to do numbers, even after losing this battle. He's about to do numbers.
Speaker 4:Let's transition there for a bit. We're not going to do a deep dive there, because we don't beat that horse so many times, but that was probably the biggest moment.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, Not probably Definitely yeah.
Speaker 4:It's the biggest right. It's the biggest moment of this year.
Speaker 3:It's one of the bigger moments in rap history. It's not the biggest moment in rap history, but it's a big moment in rap history that they had this collision course. It's been a long time coming.
Speaker 1:Especially that one weekend where we got you know Family Matters and then Meet the Grams and then Not Like Us all consecutively back-to-back in less than 24 hours. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Something we haven't seen in a long time with that kind of competition, that kind of output in such a short span of time. We haven't seen that since the mixtape era, when you know someone would say something and then Cam would come out going hot 97, spit a freestyle. Then 50 would come out there and spit a freestyle. We haven't seen that in years.
Speaker 1:Sean Freeze.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he froze, froze. I'm back there. You go, sorry about that. Can you see me now?
Speaker 4:sorry about that but no, I was just saying like you had two of the titans going at each other that we were asking for for so long, and it created this vacuum of everything else around it that we had to adhere to. We've had several pause on it because it's continuing to grow legs and it's not over yet. There's still more to come. You know what I mean. So I think that's one that's the biggest moment of this year. It's going to carry over into next year, I'm sure, and it's going to carry over even more. So it's all about right now, what happens in this moment.
Speaker 1:Sean, I want to add to something you said like, the thing that I respected most about this battle was, you know, you compared it to the mixtape era where we was getting songs like back to back and freestyles or whatnot. But these guys were giving us full fleshed out songs like rapid fire, right, us full fleshed out songs like rapid fire, right. And the one thing about the mixtape era, you was just in a rush to get to the studio and get something put out to respond. So you know, it was usually a freestyle over another artist beat. Uh, the mixing and mastering didn't really occur, so it was kind of like raw and it, you know it wasn't. The mix was pretty terrible and uh, or they went up to the radio station that was live and, you know, put out a freestyle. But you know we, like Coop says, update the formula. We moved that to modern day. These guys were turning around pretty fast giving us full fleshed out original composition. So you know, salute to them on that. It was a dope moment dope moment.
Speaker 3:No, I think that the moment doesn't mean a thing if you don't capitalize on what you do best. And so, first of all, I want to say this again this is for all, it's for all you kendrick fans, who are still the worst fans ever. You're still the worst fans ever and I can't stand you. Kendrick can't stand you. That's why he doesn't make music for you anymore. That's a whole other conversation. What really needs to come from this battle and it is a big battle, it's definitely a top five rap battle all time, maybe top three in terms of the battle you have it at where Number two Hell, no Stakes.
Speaker 1:You got to look at the stakes.
Speaker 3:Okay, so this is what I mean about the stakes. First of all, we need to address something, and address it realistically, and so I'm going to do this on both sides, so people don't feel like I'm slandering Kendrick, ain't? Neither one of these guys made a great album in a very long time. Right.
Speaker 3:Not one of them. Both of them, that's both with two F. Them, both of them, that's both with two F's. Both of you haven't made anything good album-wise in a long ass time. I was in my 30s the last time you niggas made good albums. It's been a few years now. Be 43 in October. Last time you niggas made good albums, I was in my 30s.
Speaker 1:You didn't like. Scary Hours 3. Rendition of For All the Dogs, you didn't rock with that.
Speaker 3:I don't rock with add-ons, Because if you have to add stuff onto your album instead of just releasing that separately as an EP, that is you acknowledging that the product that you just released isn't that strong. That's fair. That's exactly how I feel about it. I'm always going to feel that way about it. Now, there's always rare exceptions to the rule, like when Kanye came out with From a King to a God Deluxe. Oh no, that's icing on a cake that's already been baked and tastes great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Deluxe and Deluxe are different. Yeah, that's a different. Yeah, the lunch traditions are different. Yeah, that's the difference.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so there are rare instances like that, but that's no because it's scary, it's not like that, it's not like us. But where I gave Drake the advantage is that, even though neither one of them had made great albums in quite some time, drake was still a verifiable hitmaker, even if the hits weren't as big as they used to be. But this battle don't mean anything if you don't become the version of who we seen. You all both be in this battle. Right, it doesn't matter if you don't capitalize on it. For kendrick, that means making another great album, because your placement has been based on your great album making consistently, not even how many that you got.
Speaker 3:We're going to talk about Lupe briefly. Today. Lupe just released his ninth project, nine. When I be talking about dudes going to work and I talk about Kendrick and they're like but Coop, it's only one album. I'm like, well, he doesn't have a lot of albums to go off of. He does not go to work with the regularity that these other great artists do, and so they're asking me why I'm magnifying it. It's like, well, he's magnifying it with lack of work. I wouldn't harp on it so much if there was more to go off of. It ain't like. He gave us seven great projects in a row and then dropped this. He gave us three and a mixtape before. So you got a dope mixtape and three great albums and then you do this. It's like that would get you all time great status when we were 13, 14, 15 years old. The problem is is that we're in our 40s and, just like we've gotten older, so is hip. The problem is that we're in our 40s and, just like we've gotten older, so has hip hop. So the standards have changed. A lot of these guys are walking.
Speaker 3:I put Cudi's album, I think May 20th on my list. Cudi's on album number nine. These are guys who came out around the time that you came out, my G. You on album number five, they on album number nine. And so when I'm saying the things that I'm saying about how he needs to make a great album, it's like well, if your output is only going to be a one album every three to five year average, oh, you need to average making a great album every time that you come out, because you're not going to have the catalog to stack up to a common, a krs, a nas, like. Think about this Tupac did more albums by the age of 25.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just to put it in context so the you know the viewership can understand. Like, for instance, if somebody is you know two people in a game and they're shooting from three, you know you're going to hold the person who went eight for 16 in higher regard than the person who went six for 12. You know what I mean, because it's more attempts, more clips in there, shooting at a higher clip.
Speaker 3:You know well well let's look at somebody like Lupe. It's like okay. So let's say Kendrick's percentage is four for five, right? Hmm, Lupe? Seven for nine. You feel me, and a lot of people's mind he nine for nine, you, AG.
Speaker 1:You love some Lupe? I wouldn't say he's nine for nine though.
Speaker 3:I ain't going up for you think seven, for nine is fair. You think seven of his projects are good, though, don't you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3:So if one guy goes four for five and one guy goes seven for nine, who are you taking? Because the guy that's seven for nine is taking more risk. Yeah, so he should reap more rewards. Like when people talk about Steph Curry shooting 40% from three. No, there are guys that shoot better from three. They take half the shots.
Speaker 1:Three is a game. Yeah, that's my point.
Speaker 3:So when he goes seven for 12 and this other guy goes three for five. It's like you can take the three for five if you want to. You understand that guy put up 12 threes to your five threes. You think that's a competition about who the greatest shooter is? Grayson Allen led the league in three-point shooting last year over Steph. Who the hell even think that Grayson Allen's a top two shooter on his team? Because Devin Booker and Kevin Durant are better shooters and better players, which is how he got all those open looks at three. It matters how you get down, and so Kendrick needs another great album. Drake needs a banger of a song that's reminiscent of his old hits and a good to great album. Kendrick needs a great album. Drake needs a good album and a great hit or a couple.
Speaker 1:Because that's what they're known for. To your point is.
Speaker 3:It's a battle that happened for two guys that are past their prime. If you're really going to go check the stats and check the facts, it's more Mayweather-Pacquiao, and that's why I can't even put it top three yet until I see what they actually do with it, because it's going to give me Mayweather-Pacquiao vibes like yeah, y'all did this. A little too late though.
Speaker 1:Show me the truth in your crime Outside of this. That's why. I got Jay and Nas at number one because of the blueprint and Stillmatic being attached to it.
Speaker 3:It's not even conversational, they're not even in that stratosphere yet. They're not even in that stratosphere yet because that stratosphere comes A with the Crown and not like the Crown for the era, the Crown All Time.
Speaker 1:All Time. Yeah, that was Jay-Z and Nas and it comes with classic material Classic material.
Speaker 3:We just ask music to make good albums.
Speaker 1:And this one had more notoriety than that. But I just think that's a sign of the times we're in with social media, so you gotta talk that up for what it is.
Speaker 4:It's different. So hey, let's we don't again. We don't beat that dead horse many times, fellas, but hold on, but I'm serious.
Speaker 3:If these guys don't make great albums this year, this battle ain't all that, because what it is is two guys that's past their prime that went to battle and you're telling me that the best that you niggas could do was write about each other. But you can't write these songs when you're not talking about each other. That goes for both of them and both other. That goes for both of them and both of their caps. Both of them. That's two f's, both of them right real quick.
Speaker 1:I had another moment that was like dope. You know that wasn't a battle or anything else. Um, you know, got on the nas hat today uh, ill matic's 30th anniversary and I thought it was just super dope that we got the nas and premiere single announcing that album was actually on the way on the 30th anniversary of bill matic. I thought that was apropos and I thought it was, you know, really dope for the time. So that was one of my favorite moments of this year so far.
Speaker 3:So I don't agree. Tell us why. Because the song, in relationship to how this year is going, quality of music wise, is a disappointment.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's going to make the album, so I wasn't really tripping on it.
Speaker 3:That's fine but they still dropped it. It's still Nas and Preem. You got to deal with the expectations that come with being Nas and Preem. Is it a big moment? Yeah, but is it a great one? It's like nah them three, pete Rock and Common Joints is throwing that behind my name the Fade for one. I'm looking at some of these other albums that have come out and I'm like no, this is not up.
Speaker 1:It's not good enough. If I'm right, I might be wrong, but if that's in fact a teaser and a bonus track or not making the official album Common and Pete Rock's first clip out was that, I'm Trying, which also is not making their album.
Speaker 3:I'm trying is better than Define my Name, though.
Speaker 1:I disagree. I think they're about on the same level.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I look at them the same. How about this?
Speaker 3:Pete's beat is better than Prem's beat. Nas' bars are better than Common's bars, so we can call it a draw. But Nas versus Common isn't supposed to be a competition. That's the number one versus like the number 10.
Speaker 1:Well, can we transition this before we get in our list? Because, Sean, you had mentioned wanting to talk about the disappointments of 2024, and Coop sounded disappointed, like he had disappointment in that Nas and Preem record. So y'all want to touch on the disappointments real quick.
Speaker 3:It's not a disappointment, it's just not up to snuff.
Speaker 1:That's fair.
Speaker 4:Carmen and Pete Rock are actually trying. They're actually in album mode right now. They're locked in to like they're probably in the back half of the album mode at this point. Not probably they might be at the back half of it. No, this point Not probably they might be at the back half of it no, they done.
Speaker 4:They done. Everything is going for that. But yeah, I give it to Sam Coo. I'm not disappointed. I thought it was a Lucy, I thought it did what it's supposed to do. Let him know that, hey, I can still get on the track with Primo and it's going to happen. Something else is going to come out of it. I'll pass it to what Nas is saying the concept is dope. I'm throwing this out here for my fans who have been asking me to do something with Preem, to let you guys know I'm still going to lock in with Preem Now. Granted, you're right.
Speaker 3:You can't just do that. When you're Nas and Preem, though, you can't just throw something out there. I get it Nas and DJ Premier.
Speaker 4:You can't just throw it out there, that's what we suffer as a fan base because we still we want so much more from Son.
Speaker 3:That's why I told you I was cool with the whole hit thing. It's like no, I like the way the expectations look, I like the quality of output and how it looks. As soon as you tell me that Nas is working with DJ Premier, it's natural for our hip-hop minds to go New York state of mind. Represent Nas is like memory lane. I gave you power. That's where our mind goes.
Speaker 4:Right, he just gave us six clips though the expectations like.
Speaker 3:He just gave us six clips. The bar, bar work is there. The bar work is stellar, like lyrically. Yeah, I would say the first verse is a verse of the year contender well, you're talking about the bar work.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about a different type of bar it's. It's not equal for nas and preem versus common and p rock. The bar is set a little lower for Nas and Preem versus Common and Pete Rock. The bar is set a little lower for Common and Pete Rock to meet expectations as opposed to Nas and Preem.
Speaker 3:Not that much lower AG. Nah, it's lower, it's lower. When you mean lower, it's like yeah, one step lower.
Speaker 1:It's easier for them to attain expectations than Nas and Preem.
Speaker 3:Let's be real about that. First of all, if we're talking about a beatmaker, pete Rock, in a lot of people's minds a better beatmaker than Primo.
Speaker 1:He's been more active recently too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he's in game, shape.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's in game, shape.
Speaker 3:Common has often been identified as a Midwest version of Nas. It's not steps behind it's step behind, as in one it's plural.
Speaker 1:It's about 12 to 15 placements between Nas and Common though Coop.
Speaker 3:There's like 9 or 10 placements between. Hold on where you got Common About 15. You got when you got calm 15.
Speaker 1:You got Kendrick ahead of calm, that's one of my disappointments of the year so far. Transition it over before Coop goes on. Another Kendrick rant. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3:What if the Common and Pete Rock is better than the Kendrick album you still got?
Speaker 1:Kendrick ahead of Common One. We don't have a Kendrick album, but if we do have a Kendrick album then we'll have that discussion in on episode 28 of Pit Pop Talks or whatever. I mean you do understand that Body and Ice Cube is better than Body and Drake, right? I mean, yeah, but none of us expect a Cube to be.
Speaker 3:I mean, common to be able to do that so correct. That's, that's part of the lore and the degree of difficulty, though. That's what I'm saying. He doesn't have them beat on catalog. He doesn't have him beat lyrically. He doesn't have him beat in terms of being battle tested where he got where he got Con B. I'm done. I don't even want to do this. I'm out. I'm out. Thank you for spreading this.
Speaker 1:But now a few disappointments that I got in 2024, real quick. I don't want to belabor the points. But number one we already talked about it on another episode Jay-Z popping out this year for the Tom Brady jersey retirement and then the award show, but no sighting during Hip Hop 50. You know what I mean and, granted, I'm not surprised by that, but it was just. It would have been great to see Jay up on, you know, the Yankee Stadium stage and a lot of people's rebuttal to that was like, oh, all the Nas fans say, when you know Jay pulls up, he's still Nas and Sean. If he was on the Yankee Stadium stage then that would be a situation, since Nas and Massapil put it together, that Nas would have asked him to be part of it and it would have been great to watch them share the stage and do a couple joints. I think that would have been awesome. So only pop out. We got last year for him was the book of hoven, you know, um, but that was just disappointing to see him actually come out for events this year and not last year, um.
Speaker 1:The second disappointment I have this actually would be number one sorry is that I am didn't get a 25th anniversary re-release. Um, last year, uh, last year we got the record store joint with the um, with the bootleg I think you got into the background coop. Yeah, picked up that vinyl. That was a dope release. That was the bootleg that initially leaked, uh. But I was like praying that we would get a 25th anniversary re-release of the album. Um, and I'm not even blaming nas, I'm blaming Sony for not reaching out to Nas and collaborating with him To put together the track list, to format the double album how it was originally intended and Nas' vision, and the 25th anniversary would have been the perfect time for that. So I'm real pissed off that that didn't come to fruition.
Speaker 1:And the last Disappointment I have is All these terrible lists Coming out this year. And here's the irony of the whole thing. We're about to do our own list, but a lot of these publications that we go to you know that are in the space and you know are big voices. They just need to stop. Granted, it comes. You know it brings engagement and we talk about it on our shows, but they just need to stop making these lists. You know it brings engagement and we talk about it on our shows, but they just need to stop making these lists and hopefully Hip Hop Talks could be one of the media outlets that you come to to get a list that's actually real and you know the people can get behind. So that's my big disappointment in 2024. These trash lists, gentlemen, have anything that?
Speaker 3:Hey, gee, I'm tired of explaining this to you. I am not that good. It doesn't deserve 25th year anniversary. Tired of explaining this to you. I Am's not that good, it doesn't deserve 25th year anniversary consideration. This, this, the release of the tracks that would have made I Am the classic that it was supposed to be. That's what you get. That's not a double album, it's not, but it is the unreleased track. So he did try to satisfy the fans and the fan base.
Speaker 1:Now, he didn't have nothing to do with that release. Sony didn't put that on their own. Yeah, Nas didn't have any input on that.
Speaker 3:Man fuck Sony. That's what I'm saying First of all, fuck Sony. They should have reached out to Nas to say do the real for real. Yeah, sony can kiss my ass. Do we know people that suck? Fuck them Alright. So now that we've got that out of the way, ag. I'm tired of explaining to you that I Am's not that good. I Am is great. It's not great. I Am is great, it's not. It's a good album.
Speaker 3:It's a good album with some great songs on it, it's just good, we're going to get into our Hip Hop Talks rating system.
Speaker 1:What would you give our Hip Hop Talks rating system when we're talking about I Am, what would you give it, coop?
Speaker 3:The only reason that it would get a four is because of Nas' like favor for a favor. There's about four or five songs on there that are great enough to give it a four, but the four is it and that's it.
Speaker 1:Last time I checked the four means it's a great album.
Speaker 3:Four is really good. Four is not great. Four and a half is great, five is classic.
Speaker 1:Four and a half is stellar.
Speaker 3:Most of the four is for Nas' like. Most of the four is for Nas' like.
Speaker 1:Undyne Love. Favor for a Favor Literally Ghetto Prisoners Ghetto.
Speaker 3:Love. Favor for a Favor. Yeah man, Literally Ghetto Prisoners. Ghetto Prisoners isn't any good. Stop putting that song. Ghetto Prisoners is fire. It's not good, it's fire.
Speaker 1:Small World is one of Nas' best storytelling songs.
Speaker 3:Small World is great Ghetto Prisoners is not. You want to talk about it's fire?
Speaker 4:No, he should have set the reel to that song on fire.
Speaker 3:That song is not good. It's not a good song. We Will Survive is one love redone horribly. It's the same cadence, same breath control. It's horrible. It's horrible, I love.
Speaker 1:We Will Survive. If we didn't have, we Will Survive we wouldn't have the Jay-Z and Nas battle.
Speaker 4:You can appreciate that. You can appreciate that. You can appreciate that I can't appreciate those beats.
Speaker 1:This is probably your most trashed. Take Cooper, you got a lot of them.
Speaker 3:Those are the beats that got him labeled a bad beat picker the beats on that album.
Speaker 1:No, that started after it was written, when it wasn't produced by the Illmatic producers. People started that back in 96.
Speaker 3:It was written. It wasn't produced by the Illmatic producers. People started that back in 96.
Speaker 1:It was written's beats are fine, but that's when that narrative started, though. That's when that narrative started.
Speaker 3:Even if that's when the narrative started, this is when the narrative got legs. These beats on here are not good. No, I don't agree.
Speaker 4:But anyway, it starts off great.
Speaker 3:How about this? The first five songs, new York State of Mind, part 2,. Hate Me Now, small World. Favor for a Favor.
Speaker 1:Great start After that it's like they lose some steam in the middle. They lose some steam in the middle.
Speaker 3:Yeah, track 6 to 12. Until Nas is like talking about lose steam. That's the bulk of the album. Track 6 to 12, it's like what the fuck is going on with the guy? You want to see me tonight?
Speaker 2:No, no, he don't need to see that beat ever again from Timbaland. That's what he don't need to see Worst Timbaland beat ever.
Speaker 1:Coop might not have been outside of that one.
Speaker 3:Niggas was playing it at graduation. We went to Myrtle Beach for graduation. They was playing it everywhere and I'd look at niggas while they was in their car bumping and it's like yo, you need to cut that whack shit off. It's not any good. Alright, so you mean to?
Speaker 1:tell me if we could have had a double album. You know 25 or more tracks of Nas' original vision. You wouldn't have wanted that.
Speaker 3:Here are the songs on there that are good, as in like should have made the album New York State of Mind, part 2. Hate Me Now, small World. Hate Me.
Speaker 1:Now, wasn't one of the original ones for the Double L?
Speaker 3:No, I'm just saying this should have made you know what I'm saying. Favor for a favor. Money Is my Bitch. Undying Love, Nas is like 7 for 16. I said Small World, well, I mean 7 for 15. Half the album is great. You don't like?
Speaker 1:what you make it with DMX.
Speaker 4:That is super underwhelming.
Speaker 3:That beat is disappointing and so are their mic performances Both of them. They should both be ashamed of themselves.
Speaker 1:I love the record but I can get behind this underwhelming for the two names that's on the track together.
Speaker 3:Think about this. This is DMX's peak too. Even if you don't think this is the peak nas, that's not a peak dmx verse. When we talk about dmx's best version, we bring up this. When we talk about dmx's best features, do we talk about this verse? You want to know why? Because it ain't that good, and neither is the record. Sean just had to leave. That's fine, sean, take your ball and go home. This is ridiculous. I'm tired of fighting with you the way you say it y'all, I'm lobbying for IM.
Speaker 1:This is Coop. You know, coop gotta get at least one bad take off a show you shooting a high percentage with the bad takes you shooting a high percentage.
Speaker 3:You shooting a bad percentage on this album. He went 7 for 15 on this album. It's like 45%. You're supposed to be a 60% shooter nah I am, it's great man, I don't care. I am it's great man, it's it's I am it's great and money is my bitch is a possible. So it's really six and a push the story of undying love.
Speaker 1:It's not what it could have been.
Speaker 3:That's my whole point undying love is one of my six.
Speaker 1:It's not what it.
Speaker 3:Nas is like New York. State of Mind. Part 2 Favor for a Favor, Small World, Hate Me Now Undying Love. Those were the six bangers money is my bitch is a possible don't ask me that you want to see me tonight. I don't want to see Nas and Timberland tonight.
Speaker 1:I don't want to see them ever do it. Timberland Boots for Girls. Baggy Sweatsuits let's see what's underneath them. It's for my eyes only. Yo cool man Nas is going crazy on there, man.
Speaker 3:No, y'all are crazy for liking that record Not any good, I don't care. Rest in peace, aaliyah man, disrespectful man. I don't care, I love Aaliyah. One of the Millions is one of my favorite rap albums. One of the Millions might be the best beat I ever heard. That record you can keep that. You can keep that.
Speaker 1:That should have been on the the whole point behind it is I Am is not what it was supposed to be. Hold on, is you Won't See Me Tonight? Better than Fetus. I'm just going off.
Speaker 3:The whole point behind it is I am is not what it was supposed to be. Hold on, hold on. You all see me tonight. Better than Fetus. I'm just going off stuff. That's on this. You know the answer to that. You get better than Project Windows.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Papa was a player. No. Daydreaming stays scheming. Yes, sometimes I wonder, sean, we're here.
Speaker 4:We're here, ag. Yeah, you all need to go over there, then y'all need to go over there. Then I was in newport news, virginia, when that joint came out. I needed that song in my life at that time I needed that.
Speaker 3:I'm not done. Is it? Is it better? No, no, no. Is it better than hardest thing to do is stay alive?
Speaker 1:yes, for me. Yeah, you're bugging.
Speaker 3:Y'all are bugging, it is not. I like the beat better.
Speaker 1:Hardest thing to do is stay alive the beat. I'm not a bigger fan better.
Speaker 3:The beat is the biggest problem with. You won't see me tonight. Is it better than drunk by myself? No, no is it better than want to play rough?
Speaker 1:about even.
Speaker 3:It's a push. It's not even Storytelling. Don't want to play rough as Supreme. Is it better than Blaze of 50?
Speaker 1:Not even close.
Speaker 3:So one, two, three, four, five, six Y'all just picked six songs that didn't get released. That's better than you Won't See Me Tonight. That's my problem with I Am there were better songs to choose from.
Speaker 3:You're missing the point coop, that's what I'm saying they could have been part of one whole cumulative album or you could have taken stuff like you won't see me tonight off and put papa was a player and drunk by myself on, but if you're in the know you won't see me tonight wasn't on the double album track list that's floating around. That wasn't one of the songs that made it. I'd like to thank the Lord for that. That sounds like a dope track list.
Speaker 1:We're not doing this with you on Sunday, Coop. You're not bringing the Lord into this bad take, thank God. The Lord loves. I Am Matter of fact. He said I Am.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying Don't try to make this biblical Moving on. You know what I'm saying Don't try to make this biblical Moving on the only way that this album is good is because the Bible says the last shall be first. This album in last place in this catalog, being known, it's not that good.
Speaker 1:It's not that good. Now, if the double album would have came out as intended, then we have an argument about what his first best album is. It's in the conversation with Illmatic and it was written.
Speaker 3:Yes, with a rumored double album track list yes, If you got fetus and drunk by myself and plays a 50 and Papa was a player. Yes, Okay, were they? Or were they not supposed to be part of the double album? When you got you Won't See Me Tonight and Ghetto Prisoners and I Want to Talk to you, no, you can keep that you can keep all three of those songs in succession. You can keep, we will survive too what'd you say, sean?
Speaker 4:get the super chat please, so we can move on, because Coop is getting out of control. Man, I can't let him do this sounds not that good.
Speaker 3:It's a four. It's a four, it's good.
Speaker 1:Coop, you tripping, I love we will survive to me. We will survive is important to me because to me we haven't heard anyone not name the locks or Tretch speak about being in POC on a record like that. Thank you, andrew Williams, for the $10 super chat. Unlike Coop, I love the record because it's kind of like a one love 2.0 in the format. And the Kenny Loggins sample come on bro, come on man, andrew, you know in the format. And the kenny loggins apple come on bro. Don't come on man, come on yo. Andrew would never. Andrew would be disappointed in you disappointed he just texted me saying he's disappointed.
Speaker 1:This is wild, this is wild for you to hate on kenny loggins like that is crazy, these songs aren't that good track?
Speaker 3:6 through 12. You could have kept 6 through 12 on im. You could have kept 6 through 12 on I Am. You could have kept 6 through 12 on I Am. That's wild.
Speaker 1:What do you got next for us, Sean?
Speaker 4:Let's get to the top 20 songs, man, if Coop is okay with that. No, no, you mean albums Are we going to the top 20 albums Albums of the year If Coop is okay with that.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, Go, I'm going to play. I Am today. You want to know what I'm going to play. I Am. You need to. Yeah, Apparently I do. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm going to go listen today. The first step is admitting it, coop yeah okay, I'm going to come back with a critical breakdown of I Am. We're going to talk about it.
Speaker 4:Please do so. Fellas, we all did a separate list of the top 20 that we felt was top 20 this year, so far this year, and all of you guys came up with a really good list based on what we've heard so far this year. And what I want to do is I actually took everything you guys sent to me separately and I put it on like a spreadsheet, um, so we can talk about the top 20 before we even narrow it down to our comprehensive top 10. Uh, there was a lot of music that came out since January, a lot of uh carry over, so I want to share this list with everybody. Who's watching and who's listening? Uh, what we did was the three of us just came up with our own 20 separate from each other, um, and we actually going to put it together to try to come up with the top 10 uh albums for this year. So I wonder who want to start? I'm going to start with you, ag. Can y'all see this list? I can see it now. Okay, you have to throw the glasses on.
Speaker 1:You can see it now okay, you have to throw the glasses on, you'll see it now.
Speaker 4:so, ag, yes, just really, really quick, because we all got some of us. We actually have some of the same uh albums on here together, um, but I want to make sure that it makes sense for those who are listening, those who are watching us as well. Um, I thought that when I saw Coop's list this morning, I felt like Coop had a very eclectic list based on what's out there and based on what we heard so far this year. And then I look at yours, ag, and I thought that you and I had like a very similar tone or a similar palette of some of the albums. So, coop, what a surprise, I'll just say it.
Speaker 4:But I want us to talk about that a little bit more, because, and Coop and AG, I want you guys to kind of talk about it, because I'm kind of in the middle on what you guys have. Because, coop, you picked some joints on there that I didn't see coming to be quite honest with you, but I want to understand. You picked some joints on there that I didn't see coming to be quite honest with you, but I want to understand why you picked some of those records off of this year. So, ag, can you kick us off on what was your thought process on the top 20 that you have for your personal self, and I want to kick it to you, coop, to get your thoughts, because you guys are like abstract on both sides of the spectrum right now for me.
Speaker 1:And I just want to see where you guys going with it. You're listening. Yeah, the key word you said was personal. So, like for me, um, I tried to format my list as based on what I keep going back to for my personal taste. You know what I mean. And a lot of albums I thought were really great that dropped. Well, I don't want to say great, but really good that dropped this year. But if it didn't make my list then I really didn't go back to it much. You know what I mean. It didn't have a whole lot of staying power with me. And as far as joints that just dropped, like, say, for instance, the Lupe and the Crooked Eye and Jarrell Ortiz, those just came out this past week but you know I've been playing them all weekend, so you know those made my list because I was, you know, pretty impressed with what I heard. So, um, but that was my rubric, if any, on formatting the list joints that stayed with me throughout this, uh, these past six months.
Speaker 4:Okay, how about you Cool Cause? Your list is very, very eclectic. I don't mean that disrespectfully, I mean that respectfully, like your list is very eclectic based on what you sent to me. So I want to understand where your thoughts were.
Speaker 3:I tried to go by the projects that I felt were best put together from beginning to end. That's always my mark when I'm making an album list. So I think and also too it is subjective it's about what stays with you. I pick some albums because I believe the highs outweighed the lows enough to give them the placement that they would. I've kind of like briefly looked at some of y'all's lists too, like certain stuff, like having the Hit Boy and Alchemist thing on there where that was only three songs.
Speaker 1:That was an EP, yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't count that. I don't even matter if it's an EP. An EP can make my list, but not a three-song EP. It's got to be a six or a seven-song EP. I really tried to move objectively about what I thought the quality project was. I do like the fact that we all have the same album at number one, which means we don't have to argue about that right now. So we're all in agreement that rap city has album of the year this way halfway into the year. So AG, when I see you have yay and Ty Dolla $ign on there, first of all, that album is not good.
Speaker 1:Sonically that album is phenomenal.
Speaker 3:I don't agree with that at all saying much lyrically, but the sonics on the album is crazy well, there's not a lot of rapping on there by kanye, and so in order for it to be a rap album, I'm gonna need the rapper to actually, you know, rap, which he didn't do.
Speaker 1:Yeah I don't think it has enough to crack our top 10 cumulatively. But, like I said, this is my personal taste over the year of joints that stuck with me. And then the hip boy Alphamiss joint I agree with you on that, because I struggled with putting that on there but I ran that back for a while. But if I didn't have that on there, one that I would put in this place is the Vince Staples because it didn't make my list, but I would put that in its place.
Speaker 3:I'm a little surprised Vince didn't make your list. I thought this might have been Vince's best album.
Speaker 1:If I could have been Hit-Boy then it would.
Speaker 3:I tried to make a list that was reflective of well, how good is this album? In the artist's catalog too, that did affect my train of thought. So when I look at Lupe Samurai and Vince Staples' Dark Times and Gunna's One of One, I'm like, well, this isn't the best thing that they've done, but it's top three or four in terms of what they've done, and in a year like this, that kind of carried with me and stayed with me. The Gunna album has some really, really big moments on it. First of all, the production on the gunna album is phenomenal I love the gunna.
Speaker 1:I do too gunna album's hard, real quick, not to backtrack, but just to understand your plight. That's kind of your problem with I am, because you mentioned both that you know the good parts outweigh the bad parts and that's what you did for your rubric. But you also related that with the artist's own individual work. So the highs on I Am are very heavy and outweigh the bad, but in relation to Nas's other works it's not up to snuff. It's not stacking up.
Speaker 1:So that's your problem. So yeah, I'm just understanding your blight, like how about this?
Speaker 3:Lyrically, Nas is like it's the only song on I Am, that's even it Was Written or Illumatic Caliber. Is that fair? Now, I know that bar is extremely high, but when you only have one song that lyrically is on par with the previous two projects, yeah, knocking you down a couple notches.
Speaker 1:The storytelling on undying love and um and small world is very. It was written as you know, I think, but I'll give you that I'll give you that I agree.
Speaker 3:State of mind new york state of mind too, those four you know I think I okay, I think, I think his storytelling is the best part of his game, even more so than lyrically. So he's never, he's never, he's never really given us a story that wasn't worth listening to. So he's our best storyteller in a lot of ways too.
Speaker 1:So but yeah, that wasn't the backtrack. I was just like understanding your plight Cause when you said that that I had an epiphany, so that makes more sense with you know what you were meaning about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, no, no, totally with that. Some of the stuff I was really impressed by, like I was super impressed by Lupe's album I mean I know people who know the history know that well, he's not my biggest fan and I'm not his biggest fan, not at all yeah, he's an arrogant. No, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 4:He's an arrogant. I am take after this.
Speaker 3:Arrogant. He's got a very big ego. I know what it's like to have both of those things.
Speaker 1:It's like looking in the mirror, isn't it? Koo?
Speaker 3:It can be. The only difference is that when we were having a back and forth, it's usually a like-don't-like-each-other-at-all.
Speaker 3:I don't like each other at all. I think he's brilliant. I think that he's brilliant. I do Like let's never take that away. I think he's brilliant and has a lyricist. He's as upper echelon as upper echelon gets.
Speaker 3:It's like when I think of lyrics and lyricism, my train of thought goes to Rock, m, black Thought and Nas. But you could couple him in that group and I would have no problem with that. But I do think he's arrogant and I do think he's an asshole and I actually know what those things are like and so we're probably not going to get along. But he did also delete tweets and try to make it seem like he threw me the fade, and so we're probably not going to get along. But he did also delete tweets and try to make it seem like he threw me the fade, and that was my problem with it. It's like oh no, don't say that I caught a fade when you're the one out here deleting tweets my G, when we going back and forth. Oh, and I still have those those tweets deleted in my phone, cause I had a feeling when he said the things that he was going to say, I was like no, I'm taking a picture of that because I got you, I got you in your feelings.
Speaker 3:Instead of going down that route.
Speaker 3:I'm not done and he better not ever say anything to me again, because if he does, I'm going to put those tweets up. You know what you said. He went from Lupe to Jay-Z really quick, had him all in his feelings and switching his speed up. You didn't throw me no fade, I had you in your feeling. You can keep all my tweets, all my tweets are still up on his thread on his Twitter page. He out here deleting shit out here in the streets. But that doesn't change the fact that he just made a really dope project. And to speak to the really dope project, I realized that his stuff that I gravitated towards most, which was the first two albums, and I've enjoyed this album. I enjoyed listening to this album more than I have Drill Music and Zion, drogas, wave. What's the other one? Ag, before that, test 2 and Youth, test 2 and Youth. I know where he is lyrically. I enjoyed listening to this album more than the other three.
Speaker 1:And I realize it could be because this man chills back in the fold, because chill was around for the first couple and now he's back out and he's around for this one, and so not that he dumbs it down on this album, but these lyrics are high level, but still more digestible, and that matters Well let's speak to the brilliance of that real quick, because lupe is a conceptual artist and I listened to it surface level the first time, but then I had to tap back in once I learned what the concept was and for our viewership that doesn't know, this is a concept album from the perspective of Amy Winehouse, right?
Speaker 1:So she? Um, there was a documentary on Amy I think it was in 2015 and Lupe watched that and it's a small segment of that documentary that have voicemails to her producer where she was just talking about her writing process and she was like I'm writing these little, you know what you would consider in the vein of battle raps and kind of like on a Wu-Tang style. You know like I'm chopping heads off like a samurai type stuff. You know what I'm saying? And she was going that route and she was just telling her producer what type of time she was on Right, and Lupe tried to reimagine that like what would it sound like? Ify winehouse was making battle raps from her perspective and I think that's pretty brilliant that producer would be salon remy, who produced godson and helped produce the score for the fujis and produce her back to blackout.
Speaker 3:So yeah, which is one of the best albums I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, because we talked about that when we went over the um, the Apple music list, yeah, so, um, so, yeah that that I think that concept and that's just so abstract to just take that one little thing and then make a whole album based off that. But that's who Lupe is, you know that's what he's capable of.
Speaker 3:But I'm going to say this again Erykah Badu has this quote from Mama's Gun, which I think is her best album what good do your words do if they don't understand you? That's how I feel about Lupe when he's doing all that high gravity, like it's like. It's like family trying to teach calculus to fifth graders.
Speaker 1:It's not going to work yeah, something about the music has to grab the listener out the gate. Your ears have to everybody's first listen. I would assume your ears are surface level, but with lupe you got to dig a little bit deeper. You know with what he's talking about.
Speaker 3:So you know the music has to grab you initially I always go back to take it in blood when I talk about high level rhyming, but still that's, lyrically, best lyric display on the song ever in my opinion I never brag how real.
Speaker 3:I keep it because it's the best secret. Yeah, I rock a vest, prestigious cuban link flooded jesus in the lex, watchingie Lee and Regis. My actions are one with the seasons a text squeezing executioner wintertime. I rock a fur mega popular center of attraction climaxing. You understand everything he's saying, even though it's at a high level.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Absolutely. It has to be understood. This album is more understood than most of his projects and, much like every other rapper, even though he's special lyrically, it resonates more when people understand you. It just does People have to understand you, and so I was super impressed by the fact that he got off into his understanding bag, as in he made sure that people understood what he was saying and where he was coming from on this project, and when an artist of his caliber lyrically does that, I find that to be their best work, because that's the hardest thing to do. That's why I'm such a big fan of the cool.
Speaker 1:That's the best work in my opinion.
Speaker 3:Me, too, the cool is Midnight Marauders level. To me, that's fair. So this isn't the cool. That's fair. So this isn't the cool. It's not food and liquor, no, but I can see, and I need to give it some more listens. No, I can see this being third or fourth in his catalog of nine albums. That's fair, and he better not ever try to come smoke me again, or I'm going to make him delete some more tweets, go ahead. And shout out to.
Speaker 3:Lupe for teaching these white people at MIT that don't know shit about hip-hop. They don't know anything. They need help they need help.
Speaker 1:That's the future. That's going to be right in the next set of lists. They need help they know, all the.
Speaker 3:Eminem rhymes they don't know shit about Rock M. They need Lupe.
Speaker 4:So let's get into the top 10. Then, because you guys talked about Lupe extensively, I don't really have a lot to share what you guys haven't already shared Me listening to it no, no, no, no, no, you're not getting off scot-free.
Speaker 3:What was your criteria for your list, sir?
Speaker 4:My criteria is what grabs me, pulls Like, what pulls me in and keeps me there. That's crazy. That sounds crazy Because here's the thing that did sound crazy. I'm like, oh fuck, it sounded crazy. The Lupe album is to me. It just didn't keep me there. I'm being honest with you. It didn't keep me there. I wanted to be entertained a little bit. I wanted to be able to. That did sound crazy. I'm starting to be thinking my head.
Speaker 3:I just want you to understand we're not going to get sponsorship this way we just got a crazy sponsorship for somebody.
Speaker 4:I'm not going to say who it was.
Speaker 3:They probably been listening to you talk.
Speaker 4:They probably been listening to you talk, they can appreciate that. But I texted I'm not going to say what I texted yesterday, but on camera but I listened to that Meg album and I had it at number 20. Did you like the Meg album? Yo, look, he liked it. I'm not going to say I like it, I love it. I'm not going to say all of that. I'm going to say that it's okay that Meg album has some bangers on there. I'm not going to front.
Speaker 1:Listening to Meg while you cut grass is nasty work, bro.
Speaker 4:Shut up, bro. That was yo, man, yo. All that was off the radar, all right. So listen, I was cutting grass yesterday. Okay, before yesterday, listening to the mega, I was like yo, but she's talking crazy right now. It kind of put me in a mood.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna, I'm gonna, defend you on this actually, when you're cutting the grass, listening to rap albums is some of the best time to dissect, because you don't have anything to do other than just, you know, make sure the lines line up on your lawn. It's actually like I've listened to some. I've listened to it and reviewed a lot of rap albums cutting the grass that's what and that's why I was going with it.
Speaker 4:I'm like I'm going to cut some grass and listen to the music, really dissect everything I'm listening to and process it. The album wasn't bad, it's not great, it's not good, it's just not a bad album. But I say that to say my train of thought was what was entertaining to me.
Speaker 3:Can you put your list back up.
Speaker 4:Can we put the list back up? Do we have to, Because AG trying to like AG threw me out there.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying that does, bro, I'll keep it quiet.
Speaker 4:I will never forgive you for this AG. I'm not telling you nothing else.
Speaker 3:Nothing in confidence. We got Dave East on here. Yes, twice, you got Dave on here twice bro. You got the Crooked and Joel on there Top tier.
Speaker 1:I'm a big Slaughterhouse fan. I got Crooked and Joel on here too.
Speaker 4:Yes, top tier.
Speaker 1:That's my rappity rap placement on my list.
Speaker 4:Yes, it went crazy on there.
Speaker 3:Lupe is my rappity rap placement. Okay, okay, yeah, hold on, hold on. Neither one of y'all have Mark Homme's album on there. No, no, y'all are bugging. No, y'all are bugging. No have y'all listened to the. Mark.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just never went back to it, it just never. You know, y'all listened to the mock. Yeah, I just never went back to it, it just never, you know Y'all tripping. Never called me to go back to it, are you?
Speaker 3:serious Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I think it might be his best project.
Speaker 4:Maybe, but like it, just it didn't move me like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, flag on the plate. It was dope, but it just I haven't gone back to it yet Hold on.
Speaker 3:Y'all got stuff like a three-track EP, AG.
Speaker 1:Nah, you can omit that. You can omit that. I'm not mad at omitting the Hit Boy now, but, like I said, if I take that off my list, my comedy's still not getting in. I'm putting Vince there. I'd definitely put.
Speaker 4:Vince there.
Speaker 3:I thought the Vince was a top 10 rap album. That might be the best album I've heard from Vince. That's perfect, I think it is. Yeah, are y'all not Vince fans? I like Vince.
Speaker 1:I like him as a personality more than I do an artist. I tap into all his interviews.
Speaker 3:Vince is a funny cat, unpack that a little further. For me, ag, when you say that Like Vince is somebody funny cat, unpack that a little further.
Speaker 1:For me when you say that, like, vince is somebody, when you watch all this interview he's a funny cat and without trying to be funny, but in that comedy he'll say a lot of profound stuff that makes you like really think you know what I mean. But as an artist, you know I mess with Vince, I rock with him, but you know that track, if I take off I mean that album, if I take off the hip boy, that would make my top 20, top 10 would be a would be a push for me, though.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so, and the West is heavily represented on all three of our lists.
Speaker 1:To be honest, the West got this. This year has been a big movement for the West. Like Kendrick, doesn't even have an album. He has the battle but if you look at the album placements we have, the West is being represented very well.
Speaker 3:I listened to the Joel and Crooked once.
Speaker 4:Maybe I need to go listen again.
Speaker 3:It's cool, it's that. They're barring up.
Speaker 4:It's there, it's there they got bars.
Speaker 3:I ain't worried about the bars. I'm going to go listen again.
Speaker 4:The content to me is what got me on Tapestry. To be quite honest, it's the content, because they're talking about being fathers, they're talking about being in the game for so long. They're talking about Think about the last project that they had the Slaughterhouse. Joint Slaughterhouse is there. I think that was the name of it when it was kind of going at Joe a little bit that was too hyper-focused on the demise of the group. Big facts they didn't go that route. This was more of like, okay, we moved on from that. But here's where we are right now.
Speaker 4:I think this is their last album that they're going to do together Crooked Eye and Joel. But it was like a lot of reflection on this album that I really understood. And I did because you've got someone like Crooked Eye, to me still a really dope MC Joe Everett has been a dope MC for years and we don't talk about it enough. He was next, he was probably next up at one point. When he first came out he was projected to be next up and things just didn't go his way. You know album releases, things of that nature. He just didn't. We weren't able to hit that.
Speaker 4:I guess he had a ceiling too fast and they have that breakthrough right. But here he's talking about all of that. He's talking about family stuff, he's talking about the hip hop, he's talking about religion, he's talking about everything. And I just think that because they cover a lot of ground in this album. To me, when I think about an album, I'm thinking about how much ground are you covering? You know what I'm saying, like what's going to keep me okay, I'm going to go back to this joint to hear what you just said. They're covering a lot of ground on this album. It doesn't sound like it's just an isolated album.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go give it another listen. You want to hear a quick story. So my weed man and callie grew up with crooked eye. He was actually trying to put me and crook together when I used to rap. Actually, like when he heard my bars and heard how I rapped and shit, he's like, oh, he's like yeah, he's like you and crook should get down together. But my weed man and callie grew up with crooked eye and was like trying to put us together. I just moved before the move happened. That's dope. I'm not going to say his name because I don't know what he's still doing now. I ain't going to put him out on the blast. But yeah, my Cali, my LA weed connect, came up with Crooked and used to be with Crooked. This was before Slaughterhouse, yeah.
Speaker 1:Crooked's in the peoples too.
Speaker 3:If the people that my guy brought me around are in the indication of how crook is, yeah, he's good people, because all the people that that guy introduced me to was all solid but they, but they, la, niggas, la niggas is different yeah, absolutely yeah, like they don't fuck around with you at all, like they'll be. They'd be cool with you one second. They'd be like, but but hey, but look, you know, if you do this we gonna have problems yeah.
Speaker 4:I get that, but the beats were dope on Taping Street. I just felt like it was a very good listening album from top to bottom.
Speaker 3:You know honestly. So here's the thing how about this? And I just have to be honest. I like Joel Ortiz, but I don't know who he is. That's what I mean. The bars are there, but I never feel connected to him when he raps.
Speaker 1:I don't. That's not for a lack of him putting it in the music, though. When. Slaughterhouse was active as a full group. How much were you tapped into that movement?
Speaker 1:Like mixtapes and albums. Like if you, if you tapped into them, you know, with their mixtapes and albums, like, you know, like one of their best joints on the mixtapes was a truth or truth and that joint is crazy and they all do deep dives on you know personal stuff and you know, and joel, I mean, it's all in the music, it's all there. You know what I'm saying. So he does put it in the music no, no, I'm not talking about the content.
Speaker 3:His content is there, he, he has the um capability to speak about his personal and real life situations.
Speaker 4:It just doesn't register for me for some reason I got you, that's good, let me ask you this cool, or even you ag as well what would be the top five components that you would see? Because I could say that twice already today that he just don't know them. What would be one of the big things that you would see as far as an artist that you're looking for?
Speaker 3:okay. So there's a difference between talking about your circumstances and visually describing your circumstances. Okay, okay. So when big is on everyday struggle, it's like no. I can see him hold up in his room after a long day when he says the crack smoke make my brain feel so strange. Like when he's, when he provides that imagery, it's like no. I can see him in a two-bedroom apartment in bed style, daughters asleep in the other room, baby mama stopped tripping for the night and he's in the other room stressed like you know, I'm about to hit this shit right quick. I can see that, so I need to. I need to see that visual imagery. So it's the visual imagery part of it, in terms of how you write it as an artist, that helps me connect. Like you, the first time that we all heard naz pick the mac up, toe brothers back up, the max bit led was hitting niggas. One ran. I made them back flip. So now I'm chilling in the hall what you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like when he's saying that, it's like no no, no, I can see those corners, I can see that hallway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he don't have to talk to me about what he's going through. It's like, oh no, it's wild in this neighborhood. You might have to run into this hallway for safety and it was full of children. Probably couldn't see as high as I be.
Speaker 4:Is that vocal inflection? Is that the energy around what he's saying? Is that the conviction on what he's?
Speaker 3:saying I was going to say voice and conviction come across, not just the details. It's the way that you supply the details. We all from the hood, everybody got a struggle. It is literally the verbiage that you use and how it connects. You know, Like when you hear and sometimes it's the simple parts Like go back to Big on Everyday Struggle. At the end of the song he goes, and that's just how it is in the struggle, motherfucker, and you're like, yeah, it is I see.
Speaker 4:It's the nuance.
Speaker 3:It's those moments where it's like, oh no, I hear his angst as he's ending this record. It's like Jay on Politics, as Usual. I was like, oh shit, this really one hustling-ass nigga Ain't no stopping the champagne from dropping the champagne, from dropping the draw, the draws from dropping the law, from watching when he goes. I hate him. You can hear the hate. It's like oh no, he really got a problem with the police. They're really watching this motherfucker. This nigga going to jail can't be talking about this on a record that makes sense.
Speaker 1:That's what you're saying but with an artist they have to cover that full scope. Uh, you had, uh, you had already alluded to it when, uh it, when you spoke about Illmatic and stuff, because I had been in New York as a kid. But listening to Illmatic in New York State of Mind made me feel like I was from New York because visually it could take you there and it's a difference. But rappers want to talk about you know, if you're the everyday man, rappers want to talk about a lot of stuff that we'll never see touch or partake in, but we still got to be able to relate in a sense. You know what I'm saying and if you get too big and above the fray and you know billionaire talk, sometimes it may seem out of touch. We aspire to be that and we like that kind of talk, but we want you to bring it back full circle and, for lack of a better term, paul is like Sean, like pull us back in, and the way you pull us back in is with relatability. For me personally, sean, you said this about the Crooked Eye and Jarrell Ortiz, about they're talking about being fathers and things of that nature that we can relate to, like.
Speaker 1:My favorite thing as a fan is to be able to grow up and relate to your favorite artists. Nas has been my favorite rapper since I was 13 years old, but I'm thankful that Nas present day can make still make content that I can get behind, like the songs, like daughters or, you know, brunch on Sundays or things like that that me myself, being a 43 year old man, is in my wheelhouse. You know what I mean. I can relate to these things. You know what I'm saying. So I think that that's what I look for in an artist Like how do they, you know, grasp you and even if they go beyond things that you can relate to, do they circle back to that and can you relate to them and grow with them as an artist, because we grow and mature as fans, you don't want to leave your our favorite artists behind because you've matured and changed but their content never changed and mature. So that's what I look for.
Speaker 3:I like that Always use ice cubes. Good day is a good barometer. Don't you feel like you, riding around Cali with ice cube on a good day Like? Don't you feel like you got an Uzi on you and some Chuck Taylor's on? Like, don't you feel like?
Speaker 3:you got an Uzi on you and some Chuck Taylors on. Like that's how I feel when I listen to a good day. I feel like I got an Uzi on me and some Chuck Taylors. No barking from the dog, no smog. Mama cooked the breakfast with no hog. I got my grub on but didn't pig out. Finally got a call from one of the girls I want to dig out. Hooked it up the and if I hit the switch I can make the ash drop. He puts you in Cali with him. You're riding around.
Speaker 1:Cali with Ice Cube. You want to know what's crazy. I feel like Good Day and Will Smith's Summertime are in the same vein, but Ice Cube is just the gangster version. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Same song you got a gangster. You got a gangster telling you the song versus a storyteller telling you the song. I mean Ice Cube's a storyteller too. Just a gangster-ass storyteller. Right, will Smith is just a black experience storyteller. That would be a good way of putting it. One is talking about just the black experience in Philly. I want to talk about how this gang shit worked in fucking LA while he's still riding around. You know what I'm saying. No helicopter looking for the murder. Two in the morning got the fat burger. I didn't even know what fat burger was.
Speaker 4:I knew it was some Cali shit. That's why I wanted to get a fat burger when I got to Cali when I finally got the courage to go to Cali. Cali scared back in 95, 96.
Speaker 3:It's not a game. It's not a game out there.
Speaker 4:I was forced to go there for the military. I was like yo, do not send me to Cali, I don't want to go nowhere close to that area.
Speaker 3:The thing is, different, they'll trip on you real quick.
Speaker 4:AJ, can you get the two Super Chats? We got two Super Ch chats out there real quick.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, can you pull them up on the screen? There you go, shout out to LP man with the $2 super chat. He said no, cole talk is crazy. Laugh out loud, y'all feel bad for him. Actually, I have Cole on my list. I had him ranked at number eight. Yeah, we all three had Cole, I believe.
Speaker 3:He was like 11 or 12 on my list.
Speaker 1:Yeah, andrew Williams, with the $5 Super Chat, shout out to Andrew Coop. I just think that it's hard for you to take. I Am as it is, because it didn't come out like it was supposed to, but, compared to other people, average albums. That's true, we've already beat that dead horse, but on the he's got 10 albums better than I am.
Speaker 1:That's fair on the J Cole thing. You know, I think it had been a while since I went back to that project, but when I revisited this weekend knowing that we was going to do this show, you know, just listen to it while I was doing some stuff around the house. It's a really good project man. It's one of his best projects, I think, but it was just tainted by everything that went. It's one of his best projects, I think, but it was just tainted by everything that went on.
Speaker 3:It's one of his best projects, as in like what Top what.
Speaker 1:I like it better than the offseason. Okay, Slightly I would put it first, second about fourth I don't know if it's better than the offseason.
Speaker 3:in the end I like it better.
Speaker 4:I don't have if it's better than the offseason. In the end I like it better. I don't have it there.
Speaker 3:I can't put you in the top 10 when you just did what you did. I refuse.
Speaker 1:It's not. It's not. It's definitely not Forest Hills Drive. It's definitely not Bourne Center. It's definitely better than KOD. I'm not a big fan of KOD. It's better, it's more enjoyable than For your Eyes Only, even though that was conceptually brilliant.
Speaker 3:See, that's my problem with that project. I don't know if it's better than his third, fourth or fifth best project With. Mike DeLito. Yeah, but that would be my problem with him. So you're with me. Forest Hills Drive, Bourne Center. Yeah, Then Friday Night Lights.
Speaker 1:I'm not counting mixtapes. Is this not like a mixtape though.
Speaker 3:Are you counting Section 80 from Kendrick no?
Speaker 4:no.
Speaker 1:Which one's on DSPs and which one's not. Section 80 is actually Kendrick's first release, man, so that is what it is. That's his first album.
Speaker 3:This is wild.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I don't count overly dedicated in Kendrick's discography like that, I don't count overly dedicated, I don't count overly dedicated, more than I like Section 80, actually. That's a wild take. That's a wild take.
Speaker 3:It's not a wild take, it's not that wild.
Speaker 4:Hey, you get this one, Chad.
Speaker 1:That's wild Shout out to Deuce Falco. It's a $10 holler. Marshall Ambrosius, bodie, james Lupe Fiasco. Great weekend for music Facts man, marshall, man. If Marshall could be on my list she might be number top three, you know. But fortunately that's not hip-hop, so but Dre did his thing on the album.
Speaker 3:Album's great, very great, very great. Might be the best R&B album this year. Yep, absolutely. I think it is. But hold on Back to this J Cole thing, so might delete later. For me, is it better than KOD or the offseason? I don't know. I don't think so, though I'm not a big KOD fan either. But how about this? Isn't Neighbors on KOD?
Speaker 1:That's on, for your Eyes Only.
Speaker 3:Okay, For your Eyes Only. Is that For your Eyes Only? For your Eyes Only is better than this.
Speaker 1:Conceptually it's great. That would be the only one that I would argue, so that would be third for me. I would put it fourth because the Sideline story, his debut, going back to it. I don't like it as much. I don't think Sideline's story is better. He was more rough around the edges as a rapper back then. But I love the concept of four-your-eyes only, so I put that.
Speaker 3:Third for me. Okay so, but you think this is better than the offseason in kod? I don't know about that it's definitely.
Speaker 1:For me, it's definitely better than kod slightly, slightly better than offseason, because I really enjoyed offseason.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go with slightly I don't think it's better than the offseason. It might be better than kod, but what I'm not interested in is a guy who sounds like he might be the best rapper, walking around making the fourth, fifth or sixth best album of his career. No, I'm not accepting it anymore. I'm not accepting any more fours from him. You understand no more fours for you.
Speaker 1:No more fours.
Speaker 1:No, no, give me a five, give me a five but what I want to say, this you've been running at a five level you know I wasn't with the apology, but if you take the whole um seven minute drill off of my delete later, it's actually a better listen because in real time when that dropped the production on the seven minute drill, the first half was kind of, like you know, like a shock to your system because it didn't really fit the rest of the project you know what I mean, the way that he is.
Speaker 3:I listened to johnny p's caddy the other day for the first time in like a year. You understand. When he raps like that, that's goat talk. That's not even goat for this era talk. His bar level when he bars up is goat talk, not top three for this era. It's goat talk.
Speaker 1:Well, now he done put himself in a position where he can't talk.
Speaker 4:That heavy anymore. He can't talk that heavy anymore.
Speaker 3:I don't want no four and a halfs. I don't want no fours, no more 3.5. Five, one, two, no fours, no more 3.55.
Speaker 1:One, two, three, four, fifth, because we love that braggadocio rap. He can't really come from that angle, no more.
Speaker 4:He can't.
Speaker 3:He can't AG. Nas is your favorite rapper, my favorite rapper and Sean's favorite rapper. We all think that he's the greatest rapper of all time.
Speaker 1:He rarely, during the course of his career, brags when he rhymes but he said I rarely kicked him, I rarely kicked the bragging raps.
Speaker 3:That's what he said himself that's why I hardly kicked the bragging raps to each his own.
Speaker 1:I zoned in this ghetto habitat, yeah, he hasn't really bragged like that on the mic. But when he does, but when he does.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. Braggadocious rap from him is halftime. Atlanta ain't braver. I pull a number like a pager because I'm an ace when I face the bait. That's 91. That's Nasty Nas. That's not even Nas, it's Nasty Nas. Nasty Nas is a braggadocious rapper. The guy that we've got for these albums doesn't brag when he raps. You don't have to brag when you rap to be the best, because we got evidence. The guy we got at number one doesn't brag when he raps. He got back in that bag 40, 16 building.
Speaker 1:You know, like he's going there, he's taking it there. Hold on hold on.
Speaker 3:Listen to what I'm saying, though. It took him his whole career to start bragging again. He didn't start bragging until he had amassed a career that gave him goat consideration. So he's got 40-16 building, he's got store run. He's got slow it down. Is he braggadocious on these records? He is. You want to know where it's coming from.
Speaker 1:It's coming from a place of having earned the right to talk that way and to talk that way and he got that young boy energy with hip boy around him, because the hip boy probably like yo, talk your ish. Huh, you know what I'm saying you that guy, he's so fast.
Speaker 4:He's sprinkled throughout his career. I'm not a turner, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:He'll sprinkle in a little brag like you know what I mean, these niggas don't even see a notice and they be buying Nas shit. You know what I'm saying? Like he'll say little shit, but he doesn't kick a bragging rap verse. You won't find a verse for him, even on 4016, he just starts off bragging. I got so many kids in the game, it's like agenda revealing. I got that feeling like Lionel Richie dancing on the ceiling, like the brag is over.
Speaker 1:After the first bar he circles back to it. If you don't say that I'm the GOAT, that's just silly behavior. You know what I mean? He like he comes back to it. He tapped the lightning.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yo AJ get this one Pov Pov.
Speaker 1:That's wild.
Speaker 4:Sean Shout out LP man which fired off Super Chat. It's the Meg album man.
Speaker 1:It's album LP said those mixtapes from the blog era are full albums. They had all original music but they weren't signed so I had to drop his tapes. Those should count. To me it's a kind of a blurred area because it's a gray area because they're not on DSPs. You know what I mean. So I'm not counting it towards their official discography. Now, drake, he paid the money to get so far gone on dsp so I feel like I can count that, you know, towards his discography that's a money thing, though.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean. That's a money thing, that's not.
Speaker 1:Well, ain't like cole ain't got it. You know what I'm saying. You know I'm saying friday night lights put on on DSPs, deuce Falco with the $10 Super Chat. Oh, we already read this one, sean. That's the one he did earlier, but shout out to Deuce Falco for that. So let's format this list, fellas.
Speaker 3:So Rhapsody's number one. We're clear on that.
Speaker 4:Hands down Most complete album Easily.
Speaker 3:Okay, so here's how I look at it. What's the next album that makes our top fives collectively?
Speaker 1:Do we all have the big hit and hit boy and alchemistiss, black and whites on there? We do.
Speaker 4:I love that album. I love that album.
Speaker 1:It's great I do think paisley dreams with great, with game is better because game brings another tier of rapping level. So I put paisley dreams over it. Um, did we all three have paisley?
Speaker 3:dreams, you know. You know what the big hit and hit album. I didn't put on my top 20, but I probably should. When I'm looking at my album list, it's probably better than my 15 through 20. So that would be my misstep. But Paisley Dreams is better because Game is rapping his ass off on there. Man, those beats are stellar. Those beats are stellar on.
Speaker 1:Paisley Dreams, and they made that whole album in one night. Crazy, crazy Hold on.
Speaker 3:So I got Paisley Dreams. Hold on, so tell me. So let's go through our top five. I got Please Don't Cry by Rhapsody, which we all have. Okay, I got Rich Ass Haitian by Mike Homme at number two. Y'all are fucking bugging. I got Richmond Hill by Master Ace and Marco Polo at number three. I got Blue Lips by Schoolboy Q at number four and I got More Suede BS 2.5 by I Am God at number five.
Speaker 1:That was my number two.
Speaker 3:So you got I Am God in your top five.
Speaker 1:Number two two yeah what about you, sean?
Speaker 3:I got my number eight. I think that might be our number two then. Is that the closest one that we have? Is that because if me and ag both have that album in the top five, because do y'all have? Is there an album that y'all have in y'all's top five, like, do y'all have the big hit and hit album to get together in y'all's top five? I have y'all have the big hit and hit album together in y'all's top five.
Speaker 4:I have Blacks and Whites at my number three.
Speaker 1:I have it at five and I have Paisley Dreams at four.
Speaker 3:Okay, I got Paisley Dreams at six. So six and four, I have it at two. You got what at two? Paisley Dreams. So if I got Paisley Dreams at six, you got it at four and you got it at two. That's our number two.
Speaker 4:I can go with that, that shit fire.
Speaker 3:I can't even front, even when I was listening to these other albums. The only reason I even have Paisley Dreams at number six is because it's not the full length player that these other albums. The only reason I even have Paisley dreams at number six is because it's not the full length player that these other albums are. In my opinion, no.
Speaker 4:I agree, I agree, I mean, I can't, I can't even argue more, suede being at number two.
Speaker 1:Honestly, so we can go more. Suede at number two, Paisley dreams at three and blacks at white. Blacks and whites at four.
Speaker 3:If I want to do that, hold on, hold on, hold on one, second, hold on. So we're going more suede at two. Hold on, no, no, no, I mean we're going game and big hit and hit at two. Paisley Dreams, right.
Speaker 1:For me personally, I would put bloodstained suede 2.5 over the. Paisley Dreams.
Speaker 4:I think that's more legs.
Speaker 3:I put. Those are my five and six, so I do think I Am God's Blood Stain. Suede 2.5 is better, more suede. I think it's better than Paisley Dreams.
Speaker 1:Let's put that at two. Paisley Dreams is Shout out to I Am God.
Speaker 3:I Am God has our number two ranked album halfway into the year.
Speaker 1:No doubt that's no glazing Dude put in the work. You know what I'm saying. He put out the quality project for real.
Speaker 3:Absolutely no. I play more suede all the time.
Speaker 4:I'm not just talking that shit, I literally played it To me.
Speaker 1:It has more legs and it barely made your criteria, because it's seven tracks, so it you know. I'm saying barely made it.
Speaker 1:I literally played it while I was at work on Friday, like I was like, yeah, like I need to hear that I am God again yeah and number four, we can go with the blacks and whites, so I don't know if I agree with blacks and whites being that high alright, let's see. Let's put Paisley Dreams at three and see what else we got in common. Do y'all want to eliminate joints that are not going to make it just process of elimination, make it easier put the list back up.
Speaker 3:Put the list back up, all right what do you think about the master ace? I am gods in the chat. Nah, fam, you don't owe us anything. You out here earning your fucking. Keep my g that album is like that. You know like I know like I don't, like I don't just play shit to be playing shit like over and over again.
Speaker 1:It's like no, the album like that uh, me and sean don't have the master ace on our list.
Speaker 3:It didn't make y'all album at all. Have y'all, have y'all heard.
Speaker 4:That's the overstep of my part, because that album is dope. I had it on my original list, then I started listening to some other stuff and dropped it. But that's the miss of my part.
Speaker 1:It should be. I had tapped in but didn't go back to it.
Speaker 3:I think y'all need to tap in on that because I'm not comfortable. I'm not saying it has to make the top five, but I'm not comfortable with that album not making the top ten. There aren't 10 better rap albums than that this year.
Speaker 1:No, it's a dope album. It got great reviews. Actually, it got really good reviews it's a great album.
Speaker 3:The production when I go back and listen to it. I went back and listened to it today. The production for Marco Polo can get a little touch and go on the second half of the album. But Master Ace is stunting on here. It might be his second best album, next to Sitting on Chrome.
Speaker 4:No doubt.
Speaker 1:It's definitely a possible for our top 10, so we'll leave that out there.
Speaker 3:Y'all don't have Machome on here. What about Schoolboy, where y'all got Schoolboy at?
Speaker 1:I got Schoolboy at 12, but once I submitted my list I was like I might put Schoolboy a little bit higher, because I really love that Blue Lips album.
Speaker 3:I think the biggest problem with blue lips is the shit that he's made before, because the shit that he's made before is better in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but this is a return to form. But updating you know the sound a little bit. I think you know this is a it was a nice, you know update of, uh, his formula, so I definitely rock with that. So that's a possible for our top 10. Um poop, you mentioned that you wasn't really with vultures being on the list of top 10. The reason why I'm behind because of the sonics, more so than um what was being said on the tracks. It's just like the soundscapes of it. You know, playing it in the whip, you know it. The beats is crazy.
Speaker 3:But no, I agree. I I agree with that. I think carnival, my carnival, is a song of the year contender. I just don't think it's a rap album.
Speaker 1:Yeah, If not like us or like that didn't exist in carnivals, definitely in the conversation for a song of the year. What do you? What do you say, Sean? Do we eliminate vultures from the top 10 contention? I'm okay with that.
Speaker 4:I'm okay with that. They're not the top 10.
Speaker 1:All right, okay, I'm not comfortable eliminating J Cole from top 10 contention just because of what he did. I think the quality of the album is there enough that he might get in the bottom of the team.
Speaker 3:No, no, what say you, sean? I'm not.
Speaker 4:No, I got it right on outside man, I'm going to be honest with you.
Speaker 1:Just outside of the team.
Speaker 3:He going outside for not going outside. You outside for not going outside. You outside for not going outside.
Speaker 1:Sit your ass down somewhere. You better be making that fire. He actually was outside, but he apologized he was on a bike actually.
Speaker 3:No, no actually I'm tired of these fours.
Speaker 1:He was at the beach too.
Speaker 3:He's outside, I'm tired of these fours from him. Five Yo the dog pound.
Speaker 1:I think the dog pound needs to be high.
Speaker 4:I was about to say that Dog pound.
Speaker 3:The dog pound were my number 11, so I'm cool with them having top 10 consideration. How about this? This? I was deciding between the gunna and the dog pound for my 10 and 11, and I picked atl over over cali they both.
Speaker 1:They both need to be there.
Speaker 3:They both need to be there okay, so gunna needs to be there too but it's even one of those albums top five, because I don't know if either one of those is top five though no, no, I'm just trying to format our 10 that we can order from there.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Okay. So right now, hold on. So right now, we got Rhapsody, please Don't Cry. We got more Suede BS2 2.5, I Am God Paisley Dreams Game and Big Hit. That's where we're at. So you're telling me that tentatively, right now, that the gunner and the dog pound are top 10?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's an argument for right now and schoolboy.
Speaker 1:I think he's top 10 consideration.
Speaker 3:I think the schoolboy made my top five.
Speaker 1:And none of us have brought up Future and Metro, the first installment of we Don't Trust you that joint was hard, Okay.
Speaker 3:so in order, I have the Gunner at 10, Dog Pound at 11, and Future and Metro at 12. And then I got Cole at 13.
Speaker 4:Cole's not making it in.
Speaker 1:I don't know, Cole. I think it's too young to really put it in the bottom of the list. I said the bottom of the list, bro, don't you?
Speaker 4:Oh man, you was like.
Speaker 3:Too young to put it in. Too young to put it in and you said it Listen here. When we get to syndication. You guys just can't continue to talk about this.
Speaker 1:Yo, y'all are wild, bro. That's crazy.
Speaker 3:You got to put it in. That's wild.
Speaker 1:I'd like my last comment stricken from the record.
Speaker 3:You're trying to get all of us indicted, but nah, I think that album.
Speaker 1:It's too complex and even though you said, cooper, it has the ability to, like you know, really connect with the fans. I think that just you know, it just came out two days ago. I think it's early to put it in the top ten list without, you know, diving into it a little bit more Hold on which one are you talking about? The Lupe album. Lupe yeah, so we the Lupe album.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we're keeping Lupe out of the top 10 because you think it's too much, too soon. Yes, I can respect that. Okay, so let me ask y'all what do y'all think about Benny? What do y'all think about Everybody Can't Go.
Speaker 4:I was going to ask you. You took a picture with Benny, so I don't want to step on. I think I think he's in the top 10, but I do too, I think it's towards the bottom.
Speaker 1:I think it's towards the bottom.
Speaker 3:I have him at 7 here's my thing about the Benny.
Speaker 1:he said realistic. It's kind of his fault with the expectations he set for it. But if you remove yourself away from that and listen to the album, it's real stellar and it has more range. Like I got Ransom on my list, I got Bodhi on my list, I got Conway on my list, I got Rock Marcy on my list. I love all those albums but the Benny shows a little bit more range than all those albums.
Speaker 3:The production's better. Hitboy and Alchemist did the whole album. The production on that album is phenomenal.
Speaker 1:And this is really speaking to Hitboy's greatness, how much placement he's getting on our list production-wise.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't. Hey, there's been this guy that's been in this pod space for about two plus years now. He's been saying Hit-Boy's the best producer in rap and it has nothing to do with the fact that Nas is rapping over the beats. I hope everybody is on the same page, as you know the shit that I've been kicking for two years when I say this is the best producer in the game right now.
Speaker 1:Andy has an argument for top 10 all the time.
Speaker 3:He has more of a top 10 argument when I was saying he's top 10 than he ever did, because now he's doing it without the guy. That's number one, but still making three two to three top 10 projects every year without that guy and we're still talking about yes, so he's the best we're supposed to talk about. The best producer in hip-hop. That's what he is. He's rap's best producer. He has been for the last two years. This is year number three of him being rap's best producer Absolutely.
Speaker 1:So with that, we got nine that we, for the most part, agree on, and we got room for one more. I don't think that Nine what nine?
Speaker 3:we agree on. We got seven that we agree on. We got Rhapsody, More, Suede, Paisley Dreams, Gunna Dog, Pound, Schoolboy Benny. That's seven and you left out Blacks and Whites. Are we putting Blacks and Whites in the top ten?
Speaker 4:I think you need to be there. I think you got to be there, man.
Speaker 1:One, two, three, four, five six, seven.
Speaker 3:Let me ask you something. So y'all think the Blacks and Whites better than the Mastah A's? Yeah, you think it's better than the Vince Staples. Yeah, you think it's better than the Vince Staples. Yeah, think it's better than the Future and Metro that's a discussion so that means Future and Metro are in our discussion.
Speaker 1:I thought we agreed that Future and Metro was in there, so I had already checked that.
Speaker 3:So that's where I'm getting. I don't know if they're in there.
Speaker 1:I don't think we cannot put them in there. That first installment rang off like that we don't trust. If they're in there, I don't think we could not put them in there. That first installment, we don't trust you, rang off heavy. Not just because of the Kendrick song. Everybody was playing that album. That album rang off heavy, bro. The second one not so much.
Speaker 3:I enjoyed the second one too. The second one was just more of an R&B album, that's why I don't have it More an R&B album.
Speaker 1:That's why I don't have it More an R&B vibe. But even with that said, the second one didn't hit like that the first one was everywhere, the first one was everywhere.
Speaker 4:It was done.
Speaker 3:I'm not cool with Master A's not being in the top 10. Richmond Hill's a top 10 rap album, right, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Let's look at what we got left. I'm taking Crooked Eye. Could I have Joel off, even though I love that album?
Speaker 3:We got to keep the same energy on that, because it just came out Friday, right, if Lupe's too soon, so is Crooked and Joel.
Speaker 1:Boldy. What do you say about Boldy Boldy?
Speaker 3:That Boldy Conductor album's pretty fucking dope, but it just came out too, so it's getting the same thing that Crooked and Lupe got. How about this? I've played the Boldy more than I've played the Lupe and the Crooked and Joel.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 3:Conductor's a top five rap producer right now. Maybe top three. Conductor stepped his game up on this one.
Speaker 1:He did, he killed this one he killed this one Conductor we have a problem.
Speaker 4:You know what the problem is.
Speaker 3:These other niggas ain't making beats like Conductor. That's the problem, conductor, we have a problem.
Speaker 1:I know this is going to hurt your feelings, Sean, but Ghostface is out of running.
Speaker 3:Ghostface is not in here.
Speaker 1:Ghostface is not making this. I had 21 Savage on my list American Dream. I thought that was a really good Savage album, but I don't think it's enough to make the top 10.
Speaker 4:Okay, they have a conversation.
Speaker 3:It didn't make my top 20.
Speaker 4:It didn't make my top 20.
Speaker 3:Let's stop.
Speaker 1:Alright and Rock Marcy. It was towards the bottom of my top 20.
Speaker 3:But I don't think it's enough.
Speaker 1:I don't think Conway is either with Slantface Killer that moved the needle, it didn't Alright. So yeah, process of elimination, we moving. Ransom. Process of elimination, we moving, like Ransom, that lavish misery. I love that Rant album. Did either one of y'all have it? No?
Speaker 4:That's outside of my top ten. It's outside of my top ten as well.
Speaker 3:I think the Vince is better.
Speaker 1:What about you, Shaw?
Speaker 4:I agree. No, I agree I agree.
Speaker 1:The Vince is better, slightly better, but I enjoyed that answer alright, so if we count the Vince and the Master Ace, we got 11 and gotta eliminate one, unless I'm missing something that both of you had on your list that I didn't have on mine hold on, hold, on hold on.
Speaker 3:I just want to make sure we're all on the same page. So we got Black and White's hit and big hit Yep, richmond Hill, master Ace Marco Polo. Yep. Dark Times by Vince. We Don't Trust you. Future in Metro, gunner 101. Dog Town we All we Got Schoolboy Q, blue Lips, benny. Everybody Can't Go, but one of these gotta go cause you're right, that gives us 11, not 10 yeah, and you said Paisley dreams, we got all 1, 2, 3 we got all 1, 2, 3 we got raps.
Speaker 3:We got I am God. We got game and big hit alright, so. Paisley dreams is crazy, I can't express. So we can either do one or two things I can't express, so we can either do one or two things.
Speaker 1:We can eliminate one, or we could put the master ace as an honorable mention because me and Sean didn't do our due diligence and go back to that one. You're lobbying hard for it, but I can't. I didn't go back that one enough to put it in high contention. You know I'm saying speak on it, you know.
Speaker 4:I listened to it.
Speaker 1:I did too but I never went. Put it in high contention. You know what I'm saying. Speak on it. You know I listened to it. I did too, but I never went back to it after one listen.
Speaker 3:I mean, I have to be honest with y'all. My problem isn't the Master Ace, it's how y'all talking about the mock homie, which I have at number two on my list, like if it wasn't for Rhapsody it would be album of the year in my opinion.
Speaker 1:It's like that, like I think I would prefer y'all go back to from what I remember like hearing the mock homie and the master ace. I would personally pick the mock homie.
Speaker 3:I did pick the mock homie because Richmond Hill mock is my number two this year and which one between the mock and the ace do you want to fight for?
Speaker 1:to make the list, though, though, is what I'm saying the mock. Okay, so then let's take Master Ace off of there. So, may I start this then.
Speaker 4:Is that mock better than Benny? Are we keeping Benny because of the name?
Speaker 3:Yes, I don't think so. Yes, it is, I think it is, it feels better. You think so, sean? I think so, because how about this? You also?
Speaker 1:got to deal. How low is Benny? Is that take Benny off the list, or is something else getting cut for the month?
Speaker 3:I think Benny here's my thing. I think Benny's album is better than the Vince album, the future Metro album and the dog pound album and the gunner album On some West coast stuff who you keep in between Vince and dog pound.
Speaker 1:For me, dog pound. I got dog pound. Dog Pound For me, Dog Pound.
Speaker 3:I got Dog Pound. It's super close so I can rock with Dog Pound because I was impressed. You know what I was impressed with? I was impressed how they did their Gangsta Boogie shit but they brought some grown man perspective to it Absolutely.
Speaker 4:I think Benny might be right on the outside. I think that's okay. I think we're keeping Benny there because of the name. I think Benny might be right on the outside and I think that's okay. I think we're keeping Benny there because of the name.
Speaker 1:No, I think we got 10.
Speaker 3:The Master Ace is better than the Benny, though.
Speaker 4:It just is, it is.
Speaker 3:The Master Ace and the Macaroni is better than the Benny.
Speaker 1:Okay, so if that's the case, then Benny is off. If we take him, Ben Staples off.
Speaker 3:Hold on, let me ask you something. What was better to y'all, the Benny or the school boy, school boy.
Speaker 4:School boy.
Speaker 3:Okay, what's better? The Benny or the Gunna Gunna?
Speaker 4:Gunna.
Speaker 3:Benny or Future and Metro Future.
Speaker 4:I think the Future.
Speaker 3:We've already taken Vince off. Is the Benny better than blacks and whites? Y'all don't think so.
Speaker 4:I don't think so.
Speaker 3:I think the Master Ace is better than the Benny, so I would take Benny out and put Master Ace in, respectfully.
Speaker 4:I agree with you. I think we kept Benny there because of the name and what we hoped it to be in a moment I've listened to that Benny album like maybe?
Speaker 3:twice, he's not in J Cole territory yet, but he could use a five. You need a five, absolutely. Here's the reality of the matter. Conway got a five.
Speaker 1:Do y'all think that the production side of things lived up to expectations and just Benny didn't, or the songs didn't, or a combination of both?
Speaker 3:It doesn't have a classic rap album feel. Even though the production and the bars are both at a high level, it doesn't feel like a classic rap album.
Speaker 4:If the expectations weren't what they were. I think we're talking about a difference. We have high expectations for this album and then, as it started getting closer and closer, those expectations started to move a little bit.
Speaker 1:That's fair Alright. So we got 10.
Speaker 3:It's just a matter of putting them in the rest of the order Okay, so Benny and Vince are out. Yes, yes, okay, and we got Mach in.
Speaker 1:Mach Hami and Master Ace.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm with that. So Mach Hami and Master Ace. Mach Hami and Master Ace.
Speaker 4:Yes, okay, I'm with that. So, mark Homme, and.
Speaker 3:Master. Ace can't make the top five because they're not on two of our list.
Speaker 1:Right, that's fair. I think that's fair.
Speaker 3:So then, Schoolboy Q, or Blacks and Whites. I listen to Heartless, like every day.
Speaker 4:I'm like well, I listen to Heartless like every day, man, like a lot. I listen to heartless like every day, man, oh man, it's tough, I like big hits energy man.
Speaker 1:I'd have to go with blacks and whites in the production over there, even though, like you know, schoolboy lyrically is. You know, usually I'll side with the lyricist, but I I really go back to blacks and whites more personally okay, so black, blacks and Whites more personally, okay.
Speaker 4:So Blacks and Whites more. Okay. Let me I don't want to be biased because I already said it before that Blacks and Whites is one of my favorite joints so far this year. But if I'm taking away all of that, I will have Schoolboy Q a little bit ahead. Just because of the range, because of the depth.
Speaker 1:It is more range. It is more range there, way more range. It's more well-rounded and lyrical. Lyrical, you know, dexterity and all that stuff. Like you know, you have to give that to school board and then, plus, it's not no disrespect to Big Hit, because he got the game in the Paisley Dreams growing up. You know what I mean. So I think that blacks and whites could drop down in all fairness.
Speaker 3:Yeah, in fairness. So we got schoolboy at number four.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think we have to.
Speaker 1:No, no, let's talk about on some more West Coast stuff. Which one you got between the dog pound and schoolboy?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no. The dog pound is not in the top five conversation, in my opinion.
Speaker 1:Schoolboy was in the top five. Yeah, a top five conversation in my opinion, school boy was in the top five. Yeah, school boy, I had school boy at number four. Oh okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3:One, two three, four top 10-ish rap album. It's not a top five rap album yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:I thought we were outside of the top 10, um, I mean outside of the top five yeah, so we going school boy at four and blacks and whites at five. I think that the future Metro booming joint and the gunner joint have bids for the top five spot.
Speaker 3:Do you think those albums are better than school boy Q's album?
Speaker 1:No, school boy is at four, but I think that the future and the gunner album have bids to get in at five.
Speaker 3:So you think, which one of those albums do you think is better than Blacks and Whites?
Speaker 1:Future and Metro.
Speaker 3:I don't agree. I would pick the Gunna over the Future and Metro.
Speaker 4:I would put the Gunna over that one too.
Speaker 1:Really Majority rules, so we can flip that and then put the Gunna. I love the Gunna, though.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so is the gunna going at number five or is it going at number?
Speaker 1:I think the gunna should go at five and then big hit or future Metro should go at six.
Speaker 3:I would put big hit at six because I think it's the future Metro album to me. This is no, this future in Metro. So this is supposed to be a classic.
Speaker 4:it's supposed you said it, that's. That's all I was searching for. You said it.
Speaker 3:You said it, that's it we're not handing out hall passes. That shit don't just apply to Benny and the Nas and like no, no, no, it applies to future in metro too, absolutely, you said it.
Speaker 4:That's it because I think we're.
Speaker 1:We're thinking about the moment versus the music correct.
Speaker 3:They could have done better is what I'm telling you. Some of those tracks on there, I'm like no, y'all have done better. Y'all can do better and we gonna treat you like you're legends. Because you are like if metro is the best beat maker of this generation not the best producer, in my opinion, because that would be hit at this point but if he's the best beat maker, show me. If Future is in that iconic Cole Drake and Kendrick talk, show me. This album didn't show me enough to make me feel comfortable, so I'm going to dock them for not giving me a classic, because they had plenty of time to cook it up.
Speaker 1:Yep, so yeah. So we're looking like we got the top seven, so it's like a matter of figuring out the last three.
Speaker 3:Number one is Rhapsody. Hold on, what do we got?
Speaker 1:Rhapsody won. I am at number two Game and Big Hit at number three. Number four Schoolboy Q. Number five Gunna. Number six Big Hit and Alchemist and Hit Boy with Blacks and Whites. Number seven Future Metro Movement. We Don't Trust you. And then the three we have left on the table is the Master, ace Mahami, and then the Dog Pound.
Speaker 3:That's, I would tell you. I mean, if we're basing it on all of our lists, we would have to go Dog Pound, because Dog Pound made all of our lists that's fair.
Speaker 4:I'm willing to adjust.
Speaker 1:It's like we just did if we, if we put that at eight for these last two, nine and 10, or we could move the dog pound around, um, we'd have to defer to you. You know what I'm saying, Because you had the master ace and then the mock army on your list and we did so. We'd have to defer to you.
Speaker 3:I had the Mach at 2 and I had the Master Ace at 3. So I would keep that order and go Mach at 9 and Master Ace at 10. But I need both of y'all to go back and listen to those albums.
Speaker 1:All right, so you want to go back and listen to Nas? I Am, and we're going to go back and listen to these two albums. That's a deal. That's a deal.
Speaker 4:Look after this. This I'm playing Dr Not Boo. I gotta play Dr Not Boo.
Speaker 1:It's in my alright, so y'all want to run it back down for the people. Number one Rhapsody Please Don't Cry. Number two I Am God, blood Stain, suede, 2.5 more suede. Number three we got the game and big hit with Paisley dreams. Number four we got a school boy, q with blue lips. Number five gonna one of one. Number six we got big hit. Hit boy in the alchemist with blacks and whites. Number seven we got future Metro booming. We don't trust you. Number eight we got the dog pound we all. We got. Number nine uh, my economy. And number 10 is master. Is that right? That's doable for me. What would you want to change?
Speaker 3:I really need y'all to go listen to that my economy.
Speaker 1:Even over the master ace I mean it needs to be bumped higher. We can bump, dog, pound down a spot. You know what I'm saying. The mock needs to be higher.
Speaker 3:I had the mock at number two. That's why I need y'all to go listen to it again.
Speaker 1:I had it at number two, so let's switch that to eight and the dog pound to nine, to nine, to eight and the dog pounded nine to uh, to nine. There, okay, because I remember I was impressed with it when I heard it, I just didn't go back to it. So much music come out like something has to really you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Move me to go back to it no, no, I've been sitting up since about eight o'clock this morning today like going back through stuff. So I feel you, like, I had the mock like around six and then I went and listened again today and I was like whoa, I'm like, nah, I'm like.
Speaker 4:It's dope, it's a dope. That's how I was yesterday with Boldy. I was listening to Boldy again yesterday. The Boldy is nice. Now Boldy is special it is.
Speaker 3:I think, how about this, that Boldy?
Speaker 1:I like the Boldy. This is a high take, but I think that Boldy's way better than that Rock Marcy. Oh yeah, I thought I was going to be in the minority on that.
Speaker 3:No, I have the Boldy ahead of the Rock Marcy? How about this? Of all the new albums that came out, I can see the Boldy having the most legs and creeping its way into the top ten when we, I can see the Boldy having the most legs and creeping its way into the top 10. So when we're saying that the Crooked and Joel, the Lupe and the Boldy, I like the Boldy the most of the three. I respected the Lupe the most of the three.
Speaker 1:No doubt, no doubt. And when we get to the end of the year we got to extend this list to 20 and then have the top 20 on the year, so we'll see what's still around out of this top 10. But oh, and Bodie got a fire feature on Blacks and Whites too.
Speaker 3:He does that feature? Yeah, so my question to you is is that part of me thinks that we should do? We should only post our 10, but we should do our 20, just so we can start having conversations about what it's going to take the slide into the 20. Just so we can start having conversations about what it's going to take the slide into the 20. That's fair, you know, because if we're going to do a top 20 list at the end of the year, it might be good for us to just post our top 10, but to have a format to go over, like like something like the Vince and the Benny where does it fall now? Cause I think Vince and Benny would be the next two. Like I would put Benny at 11 on this list.
Speaker 4:I would still put him at 11, the more I think about it. I'm being honest, guys. The more, I think about it. I think I'd struggle with him at 11.
Speaker 1:For a lot of people that album was a letdown.
Speaker 3:That's his fault for overpromoting.
Speaker 1:I will say this this is kind of weird, but if that Conway would have been better than what it ended up being, I wouldn't even hesitate to put you know Benny lower on the list, because where that Conway didn't deliver to me, it was a solid project. But where it didn't move the needle like I go back and listen to the Benny, the Benny was still better. You know what I mean. So I was looking to Conway. I was really looking for Conway to show like, no, this was how you're supposed to do it. You know what I mean, but it didn't deliver on that for me.
Speaker 3:Right, so you don't even have Benny at 11, sean.
Speaker 4:I don't.
Speaker 3:Please get the money.
Speaker 1:Benny. Benny at 11,. Sean, I don't Please get the money, benny, on my original list is 15 out of my 20.
Speaker 4:Sean where'd you have him. I got Benny at like 15, maybe 16, something like that. Y'all got him back, I got him back, I did. I had him at 14.
Speaker 3:I'm at 14. So you had him at 14, you had them at 15, I had them at 7.
Speaker 1:Alright, just for reference, every album I had, every album that made our top 10 list I have ahead of Benny in my top 20. I also had Yay and Todd Dollar Sign, which got eliminated. Ahead of Benny. I had J Cole Might Delete Sign, which got eliminated. Ahead of Benny. I had J Cole Might Delete Later that got eliminated. I had that ahead of Benny. We won't count the Theodore and Andre Hit Boy and Alchemist joint Because, like you pointed out, that's only a few tracks. But I also had Ransom Ahead of Benny With the Lavish Misery. That got eliminated. You don't agree with that one.
Speaker 1:I love that Ransom album. I really rock with that and also, even though they just came out, I had the Crooked Eye and the Lupe, both above Benny as well.
Speaker 3:I had the Lupe and the Vince Staples right behind Benny, but that was about not having enough time to sit on it. Okay, so what's better, the Vince or the J Cole?
Speaker 1:For me, J Cole.
Speaker 4:I got Benny Production is better.
Speaker 1:No, no, he said um J Cole, or uh Vince.
Speaker 4:Oh, I'm sorry, I just said Vince. I'm sorry Um Vince. I got Vince.
Speaker 1:Now is that just based off the project compartmentalizing or are you just stuffing on the apology thing?
Speaker 4:I don't even think about the apology thing.
Speaker 3:I think Vince made a better project in the end.
Speaker 4:I think he has.
Speaker 3:So would Vince be 11?.
Speaker 1:Yeah for how we just did and eliminated. It was the last one to get eliminated other than the Benny, so that would be 11 or 12.
Speaker 3:And then Cole would be 12?. You think the Cole's better than the Benny? Yes, yeah. What about are we even putting the Boldy, the Joel and Crooked and the Lupe in this combo?
Speaker 1:and this is my fault, but I think the only reason why they don't make it is because they're so fresh. But I think that's giving them a chance to like, because we've had more time to sit with the other ones are those three albums better than the Ghost album?
Speaker 3:yes, are they better they? Better than the Ghost album? Yes, yeah, are they better than the Rock Marcy? Album?
Speaker 1:Yes, I have all three of them ahead of Rock Marcy. I got Rock Marcy at number 18 on my list.
Speaker 3:Okay, he's 16 on my list.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing, coop. Here's the thing For an album to just come out two days ago and make a top ten list. I think it has to be damn near stellar to classic. You know, what I mean.
Speaker 3:So, according to how we are all feeling, though, there are only 12 albums we have ahead of these three albums that just came out. So how would we rank those three albums, as in the Boldy, the Lupe and the Crooked and Joel? What order are we giving them? Cause that would be our 13, 14, 15, based on what we're all kind of saying like too soon to put them that high, but, realistically speaking, have heard enough to know that it's better than the back end of our 20, which means it's better than the Conway, better than the Rock, better than the Ghost.
Speaker 1:Well, listen where I had them. It kind of goes with what you're saying. I had Crooked Eye and Joel at 13, I had Lupe at 14, I had Benny at 15, and Bodie at 16.
Speaker 3:Okay. Is Benny's album better than any of these three albums?
Speaker 1:I had Benny ahead of Bodie. That's the only one.
Speaker 4:I have Bodie ahead of Benny. I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 1:They're close.
Speaker 4:And I was trying to be careful with recency bias as well. Just because they hold your well and cook it out like fresh, fresh new music, I had to really process it. Listen to it three times already. I had to be careful about that.
Speaker 1:I think the Benny had more range, better hooks. I like the production on both, but it's close.
Speaker 3:It's close. Hold on. Let me get this straight. Y'all think the Crooked and Joel is better than the Benny. Yes, I do.
Speaker 4:I think so, I think so.
Speaker 3:Do you think the Lupe is better than the Benny?
Speaker 4:Yes, I don't have it. I have Benny over on Lupe.
Speaker 1:Remember, sean said he wasn't feeling the Lupe like that.
Speaker 3:Do you think the Benny is better than the Boldy?
Speaker 4:No, I have it above Boldy no.
Speaker 1:I have it above Boldy, but just one slot above it, so they're neck and neck.
Speaker 3:So that would put Crooked and Joel at 13. And then I think that would put Benny at 14 and Boldy at 15, objectively based on all we feel. So Benny would be 14. Boldy would be 15, Lupe would be 16.
Speaker 1:So you're prepping going down the line if something else is to enter our list?
Speaker 3:We can start subbing out. So Lupe and also we just had three albums come out that might move up.
Speaker 4:Correct, that's time for rest. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that's always a possible based on when we get to sit with it a little bit more. So this is our list as of today, but we got to remember those three albums are two days old.
Speaker 3:What's better between these three old head albums, the Conway, the Rock or the Ghost?
Speaker 1:I got Conway, the best out of those three.
Speaker 3:I do too, I did too.
Speaker 1:I got Conway at 17, Rock at 18, and Ghost at 19. Are you cool with that, Sean? I'm okay with that. Actually, before we went on live, I'm going to come clean. I had Ghost at 20, and I had 21 Savage at 19. And then, you know, Sean texted me with a little temper tantrum, so I switched those two.
Speaker 3:Well, it's funny, I got Conway at 15, rock at 16, and Ghost at 17. So we're all being consistent. It goes Conway, rock, ghost on this, right, right. Well, that would just leave us with one more spot to fill out our 20, and we're not going to release our 11 to 20. We just need a barometer so we know who to slide in and slide out as we go along. So I'll tell you some of the stuff that I had. I had Kid Cudi's Insano as my number 20. I had Special Machinery, the Gronic Edition edition by Conway the Machine and Big Ghost LTD is my 19. And I have Bloodstained Suede 2 by I Am God at number 18. He cracked my list twice. That's dope. So where's our 20 at?
Speaker 1:I'm going to put my bid in for the Ransom album. I was really feeling that Ransom project.
Speaker 3:How do you feel about the Ransom album Sean I?
Speaker 4:like the Ransom album. I think I have ransom somewhere on here. Ransom, uh, did I take it off last minute? Ransom would be number 20 on my list well sean.
Speaker 3:Well, he made ag's list and he made your list, so, even though he didn't make mine, I think that would make him 20.
Speaker 1:oh mine, he was actually number 11. I really dug that album I.
Speaker 3:I dig Ransom, but I am starting to get into that pocket where I feel like he's doing the same thing. If you're going to do the same thing, you need to do it at Mobb Deep level.
Speaker 4:That's my thing about doing the same thing.
Speaker 3:Or Pusha T. Yeah, Mobb Deep and Pusha T would be my barometers. It's like no, no, no, I don't mind what you're doing, Just keep on doing it at the clip that you're doing it at. That's my problem with HNIC. It's like oh no, that ain't Mobb Deep level clip of Operation.
Speaker 1:So step below. So these 10 that we got based on our rating system that we're putting out to the people our hip hop talks rating system. Let's try to give a quick rundown of you know where we, you know, rank these, um, how we rate these albums.
Speaker 4:So I think before, before, before we do that like real quick, I'm going to wrap it up real soon. No one has made album, nowhere on their radar, right?
Speaker 1:The shade is real. No one has Meg's album nowhere on their radar right.
Speaker 3:Just you, sean. The shade is real. The Meg just came out too, so I'm going to tell you what I'm going to do? I'm going to go back and listen to the Meg again.
Speaker 4:Listen to that Meg. Cool, that's in your wheelhouse. You're a nasty dude, so you are loved Respectfully. Stop talking to my exes.
Speaker 3:Stop talking to my exes. Oh, respectfully, respectfully, wow, stop talking to my exes. Look, stop talking to my exes, it's all lies, it's not true.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you what Y'all want to do, that behind the scenes, and give our ratings and post that with the list. Y'all want to do that. I mean how?
Speaker 3:much time y'all got. Y'all got like 10, 15 minutes to give out ratings for our top 10 or we got a slide.
Speaker 1:I mean I got time and then I was going to run through some quick anticipated joints, real quick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, let's run through it. If y'all got time, I got time, if you got time.
Speaker 4:So, you want to do the ratings. Get that real quick AG.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, ill Magic with the $5 Super Chat Shout out to them. Towards the end of the year, I believe our picks will be Rhapsody's album as album of the year, with Gunna's production being the most outstanding. That's a good take. That's a good take Rhapsody. I would give a four and a half personally.
Speaker 3:I agree, it's stellar. It's a stellar piece of work. You cool with the four and a half for Rask. I'm cool with that.
Speaker 4:Can everybody see this? We'll post it on our Discord and in the Twitter as well. This is our Hip Hop Folks rating.
Speaker 3:Well, here's the thing. What do we do for half? What a strong effort. What is between a strong effort and a five? Brilliant, because I think the album is brilliant.
Speaker 4:I think it's brilliant too.
Speaker 3:I think brilliant should be our four and a half.
Speaker 4:I think it's brilliant. Yeah, it captures everything. It checks all the boxes it does. It's a well-rounded album.
Speaker 3:Hold on. Let's just point out something right quick Of our top five albums. Hit-boy has production on three of them yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:It's crazy yes, and we argued the other so yeah, and, and and is on our number six okay, I had a joint that didn't even make it because it was only three songs, but I I put that up pretty high well, four of our top 10 rap albums have have hit boy on it, and so when I'm saying he's the best producer in rap right now, this is what I'm talking about, because none of these are Nas projects.
Speaker 1:And not to mention his work on Da Benny. We had to take Benny off but he has work on Da Benny, Half the album.
Speaker 3:So he has five. So five of the top 15 projects have his production. He's the best producer in hip hop. This is not a conversation anymore. You're not having this conversation. I'm tired of expressing this to people. I just want to let you know. I was here first. I was right. The rest of you are always wrong. All right, back to the ratings. I am God, ps2. Miss Wade.
Speaker 1:I'm going to go four.
Speaker 4:I give it a four.
Speaker 3:I think this is what a four sounds like. This is what a really really good four sounds like, Because it's like do I think it's four and a half? No, but if I could give like a .25 out, it would probably be right here. This is a super strong four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when you get in the decimals is when it gets tricky. But yeah, this is a solid four effort and that's based on you know it's. Uh, it's a quick project, in and out seven tracks, but you know it hits hard.
Speaker 3:So yeah, I play it all the time I'm not joking, and yo a four, four album.
Speaker 1:That's like I don't want to say the word throwaways, but joints. That didn't make his last project, with a few add-ons, a four for that is crazy you want to know what's crazy about it to me that these are throwaways.
Speaker 3:I think the bars and the beats are better on this project.
Speaker 1:And it comes together as one cohesive product. So shout out to I Am Not Bad yeah.
Speaker 3:Shout out to Clip, though, too, they did their thing on this. Yeah, think about this. This is an independent artist making number two on our mid-season review, right? So when I be like find this nigga, sign this nigga, like I don't think you understand, in the time that I've been doing this, which has been four years, this is the first time that I'm really like serious about maybe catching a flight somewhere to go see an independent artist and his crew perform. It's that serious to me. We need to go to Chicago and do a show, like live from Chicago, because, like the whole crew, juju Panamera P, like no, no, no, these dudes, these dudes get down. Like we need to go to a show and do our show before they go on stage live and have all of them on, starting with I Am God, and have the whole crew there it's like that.
Speaker 3:No, we need to make that happen.
Speaker 1:I ain't been to Chicago in probably about 20 years.
Speaker 4:I'm glad for West Virginia. Chicago is about two days.
Speaker 1:Moving on the list man.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. We need to make the Chi-Town touchdown happen, like whenever they're having a show and him and the whole crew are going to be there. We need to try to align our stars if that's on a Saturday or Sunday, where we fly in, do a hip hop talk show and then, like, fly back out you know what, like you know about that last comment Sean made, because, shout out to my son, it was my son, jordan's birthday. This past Thursday.
Speaker 1:Happy birthday. I appreciate it. You know what I'm saying Turn 17. And you know we was talking about, you know, going to the beach later this month and we was leaning either towards Myrtle or Virginia Beach and I was like you know, we might end up going down Virginia Beach and he was. He was upset that we wasn't going to Myrtle to be in South Carolina. I was trying to pull up on Sean because I really don't like that dude, jordan, don't like Sean at all.
Speaker 3:First of all, let me tell you something about your son, From somebody that's been to Virginia Beach and to Myrtle Beach. Your son's just looking for the hoes.
Speaker 4:He's just more than that myrtle beach he's a 17 year old.
Speaker 3:He's a 17 year old young man and he's not telling dad this, but in the back of his mind he's like yeah, yeah, dad, I want to pull up on sean because I don't like that dude. He's thinking about something. No, I'm going to myrtle beach, you know, that's where the hose is me as a scapegoat.
Speaker 4:Right, we know who your daddy is.
Speaker 3:Your son just trying to swerve on you.
Speaker 4:Right, you're going to be asleep.
Speaker 3:He's going to be on Ocean Boulevard shooting his shot Facts.
Speaker 1:These are facts. Ocean Boulevard is the spot.
Speaker 3:I'm from Charlotte, North Carolina, sir, I'm from Charlotte, North Carolina sir, I'm very well aware of what Myrtle Beach, what can Myrtle Beach do for you as a young black man? Oh, it does a lot. It does a lot.
Speaker 1:That's a scapegoat man, but yeah but just so you know, sean, a couple more West Virginia comments. I'm going to send Jordan down your way.
Speaker 4:I'll put Jordan in the Boston crowd. Thank you.
Speaker 1:But yeah, well, we number three. We got Paisley Dreams. I'm with a four on that one as well.
Speaker 4:That's a four definitely a four the schoolboy four that might be a four and a half for me. If I'm being honest, it might be a four.
Speaker 3:I can't give it a four and a half because at best it's his third or fourth best album.
Speaker 1:You can tell Sean ain't do well in school because we got it ranked.
Speaker 4:I know, I know, I know we got it ranked.
Speaker 3:You're thinking about the artistic license, sean. You're thinking about the artistic license when you're hearing, artistically, what Q is doing. You're so impressed. It's like no, I want to give him a four and a half.
Speaker 1:It's like nah he made Oxy more, we got it ranked under the I Am God and under the Game of Big Hit, which are both fours and Sean was like yo, that's good at a four and a half.
Speaker 4:The math ain't math, Sean. That's my personal take, though.
Speaker 1:I'm using my math. The New York public school system when we go PS from 296?
Speaker 4:You have to do this. Yo, you was an upper bound.
Speaker 3:I wasn't upper bound, I used to. Lifting as we climb is my life motto. I like to think upper bound. Upper bound kept a lot of us niggas out of jail.
Speaker 4:The school boys are four. The school boys are four.
Speaker 3:I'm good at solid. Four are four, the schoolboys are four.
Speaker 1:But here's what I would say Solid four.
Speaker 3:It's a more quintessential four, but Blankface and Oxymoron. It's not that it's not Blankface or Oxymoron.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oxymoron is stellar man. I love that album.
Speaker 3:Oxymoron. I think Blankface might be the lick. The first five, six, seven songs on Blankface. That's some of the best gangsta shit you're going to find this year.
Speaker 1:I prefer Oxymoron but I'm with you. What we got next? We got Gunna.
Speaker 3:Which y'all got on here. I want to say four about the high. Okay, so not all fours are created equal, because this four would be about the production and the highs because, from end to end, it's got some 3.5 to it.
Speaker 4:No, I agree, but does those?
Speaker 3:But the highs and the productions make it a four.
Speaker 4:Does it put the average down to 3.5?
Speaker 1:I'm like in the 3.75 territory but we have to go in half, so I'm going to go, hmm. I'm looking at this list and it's just a lot of fours man. Yeah. I'm going with a four.
Speaker 4:I'm going 3.5.
Speaker 3:We're going to have to come up with some quarters. It's a 3.75 if that's the case.
Speaker 1:That's where I was at with it, but I didn't know if I could say that.
Speaker 4:We can do what we want to do.
Speaker 3:We'll have Sean fix the rubric 3.75.
Speaker 4:Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3:See, but here's my problem when we give that a 3.75, then you get to the big hit and hit.
Speaker 1:I think giving that a 3.75 would be fair. Yeah, okay, I mean, if we're not doing point fives, it would round up to four. That's what I'm saying. It looks like this this uh list that we got is a bunch of fours. I don't think we hit any 3.5, so to speak. Not that a 3.5, so to speak. Not that a 3.5 is bad, but I don't think we hit any. There's no 5.
Speaker 3:The Conway Rockin' Ghosts is 3.5. That's in the 15.
Speaker 1:I'm talking about the R10.
Speaker 4:Stop at R10. Y'all know how I feel about Ghosts, that Ghosts might be a 3.
Speaker 1:I'm with you.
Speaker 3:That I Am God might be a 4.25, and same thing with Paisley Dreams. If we're doing that, I would tell you that the I am God and the Game and Big Hit is better than a 4 we might have to alter those because, you know, just to make it, you know shake out right for the other joints so here's what I would tell you.
Speaker 3:So all of the albums in our top 10 are fours to me, but I don't think the actual fours start until the schoolboy Q Cause I feel like the Rhapsody is a 4.5 and I feel like the I Am God and the Plays of the Dreams are 4.25.
Speaker 1:You said a quintessential four. I feel what you're saying on that now. Yeah. And then Gunner would be a four, but not the same four caliber that Schoolboy is.
Speaker 3:Not as strong. It's like AZ's Do or Die is a four, but so is Liquid Swords by the Jizz. It's like that's not the same four. Liquid Swords is a better four. Who?
Speaker 1:better what world is giving?
Speaker 3:liquid swords a four.
Speaker 1:The source magazine gave liquid swords force right oh, okay, forget the source, but I'm just saying I thought you were saying that, but not no, I'm just saying in relationship to how, like you, you can relate, like the difference in it.
Speaker 3:it's like is do or die classic? Yes, did it get the same rating as liquid swords? Yes, is it the same type of classic as Liquid Swords? No, do you give, do or Die a 4 or higher? Personally, first of all, liquid Swords is a 5.
Speaker 1:Right, we know that, but Do or Die. Where do you got that?
Speaker 3:It would be a 4.5. There's only a couple of missteps, and the missteps have more to do with production and sequencing.
Speaker 1:I was going to circle that back to my point With AZ. Even if you put it at a four I wouldn't be mad at it. But you said IM was also a four. But because of who Nas is and what Nas has done, that four is judged a little bit differently than an AZ. Four, which could be an arguable classic Stuff, is way different.
Speaker 3:I think Door Die is actually what a quintessential four and a half looks like to me. I think Door Die is actually what a quintessential four and a half looks like to me.
Speaker 1:I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm with you on that. I feel like the record, I feel for you is out of place and the sequencing of it isn't proper. But if we're going, the five songs, the first five songs of Door Die, and then from Sugar Hill to your World, don't Stop.
Speaker 1:Well, ain't a lot of missteps. On the album fam. Yeah, it's a 4.5 and this is off on a tangent just real quick. But to me it's the companion piece in the bridge from Illmatic to. It Was Written because it encompasses both of those sounds and subject matter and lyricism topics. Right, because you can see it's coming off the heels of Illmatic, but it's entering in that mafioso realm and kind of gives Nas a springboard, for it was written to take. It was written to that next level in 96. So it's a good companion piece in between those two albums.
Speaker 3:Whole Happy. Jackie and Black Girl Lost are the same song, exactly, exactly they are so what do we got next after the gunner we got. I think the big hits are four big blacks and whites, yeah.
Speaker 1:I give it a four and then future Metro four or 3.75.
Speaker 3:I think it's a 4 because I actually think it's just a couple missteps away from being a 4.5. Like, this album, with a couple of editing changes and a couple of improvements, could have been album of the year, and it's at 7.
Speaker 1:So then we got the Mokami. Is that a solid 4 to you, Coop?
Speaker 3:It's a very solid four to me, but it's not a four and a half to me okay, master ace, I don't think we have anything that's lower than a four.
Speaker 1:I think they finish out at four, like I wouldn't even give the dog pound at that um nine or four. I mean, I think I would give the dog pound a four, um at our number nine spot and then the master ace. You know you had that pretty high. I didn't have it on my list, but I don't. I still don't think it's lower than a four I don't either.
Speaker 3:I think it's master ace, the second best project and I'm not mad.
Speaker 1:I mean that doesn't make it any fun having a bunch of fours, but it kind of is what it is. I mean if you get, like you know, a lot of b's and b pluses. I don't think it's any true five on this list, but I don't think it's anything less than a four either.
Speaker 3:Right, I think the first three, I think the first thing under four might happen on this list with the J Cole, like if we were to go through our 20 and rate it, it would be. That would be the point where I would be like, eh, I'm not sure if that might delete later as a four.
Speaker 1:Go back. Go back to that when you go back to the IM, because I will put it as a four.
Speaker 3:I will Cause cause. For me, the Vince is a four too, and that's at 11. And that's what I meant when I was texting you earlier, ag, when I'm like Nothing, blowing everybody out. The water Rhapsody reigns supreme right now, but a lot of really, really good projects, a couple of great projects.
Speaker 1:But this is, let me speak to that real quick.
Speaker 3:You were right 97 was a lot of fours.
Speaker 1:You know. But you were right, because we was like let's come up with 20. I was like, man, 20 is a lot. I didn't think that that many albums would stick to my ribs like that and, um, I said I might can do 15. But once I started writing them down I was like, okay, yeah, you know I could push it to 20 because y'all two already had y'all's 20 list. So this has been a solid year so far.
Speaker 3:But I got the 16 real quick. Yeah, I got the 16 real quick but I'm still processing guys.
Speaker 4:I'm honestly I'm thinking about these ratings and I'm thinking about the albums. Yeah, these albums are really really solid albums. But I wonder, if we take a step back and take a look at the landscape, what are we comparing it to? Are we rating them high based on what we're comparing everything to? At this point, I think they're more three-and-a-halves than fours.
Speaker 1:Well we might have to revisit that because for me, when I was going to run off, something like a list of joints that's anticipated coming up, that's going to shake up this whole list what's coming to the second half of the year, because some of those fours, after we get the rest of the joints, they might not look like fours, they might look like three and a half.
Speaker 3:So how about this? Here's what I'll tell you. I think our six to ten is what we need to examine, because I'm happy with our one to five rating. The Rhapsodies are 4.5. The I Am God and the Paisley Dreams are 4.25. I do think the Schoolboy and the Gunna are more your quintessential 4 albums After that, because here's the thing is the Future in Metro a 4?
Speaker 4:I think it's a 3.5. I think some of these are closer to the 3.5 range, which is okay, because if I'm saying Ghost is a three, but where you get in trouble is I'm not used to Ghost making threes.
Speaker 3:I'm not used to Ghost making threes.
Speaker 1:That pains me to say no. I think a three is fair and shout out to you for being objective on that, sean. But I think where you get in trouble is we rank them in order, but then you get in like if you got one that you feel is a 3.5 on its own merit, but then something that's ranked behind it is a four or a 3.75, then that doesn't. You know. How does that work? You know what I'm saying, but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:I wonder if we're just and again, we're doing this live. We didn't have a chance to really sit at a table and really talk through and have a legit conversation about it. I think that we may have to end up doing that and coming back to it and say, hey, here's what it really is, Because if we're saying that Rhapsody is a 4.5. That's the bar. That's the bar right now. Right, but we're also saying that Paisley Dreams is a 4. Are they that close? Are they really that close?
Speaker 4:I see what you're saying and if we're saying that, what else we're saying Schoolboy Q is a 4.5 or what have you, or whatever, a 4. Are they still that close? You see what I'm saying. I just wonder if or whatever. Are they still that close? You see what I'm saying. I just wonder if the albums they're really solid efforts, but are they in that when we get that full range you're tap dancing on classic? I don't think. None of these are tap dancing on rap.
Speaker 3:Okay, so do we need to pull it back and look at it more like the Rhapsody might be a 4.25?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm going to have to bring it back just a little bit.
Speaker 3:Because we can pick apart. Okay, let me ask you something. Schoolboy Q would be my barometer for a 4.
Speaker 4:Okay, now we're talking.
Speaker 3:How much better do you think Rhapsody's album is than Schoolboy Q's album?
Speaker 1:For me I think it's a bit better.
Speaker 4:I think so I think total body of work.
Speaker 1:The range To your point you really finding out who somebody is? Yes, Very self-effacing piece of work.
Speaker 3:I think she's perfect where she is at a 4.5, because I can't justify pushing it to a five and I can't justify putting it at a 4.25, because here's the thing the production is there, the lyrics are there, the songs are there, the content are there and I feel like if somebody like Kendrick Lamar made this rap album, it wouldn't be a question of whether we were giving it a 4.5. If J Cole or Kendrick make this same album, it's a 4.5 easy.
Speaker 4:Easy. So if she's over here, then that means we may need to take it down a notch, maybe. Schoolboy accused a 3.5.
Speaker 1:3.75 maybe 3.75 would be fair. I can't take in good faith with it at a 3.5.
Speaker 3:Me neither, because here's the thing about it too. My only problem with giving Schoolboy Q the 4 is it like oh no, all of your albums are better than this Crash Talk's better than this Oxy Moron's better than this Crash Talk's better than this. Oxymoron's better than this. Blank Fake is better than this it is. Those are more 4 to 4.5 albums, depending on how you feel AG. You prefer Oxymoron, I prefer Blank Face, but they're both in that 4 to 4.5 territory.
Speaker 1:That's all classic schoolboy Q stuff. This he gave us a little bit of a half territory, but that's all classic schoolboy Q stuff. This he gave us a little bit of a different vibe. You know what I mean. It's also not as good, right? Yeah, just because it's new doesn't mean it's better. So yeah, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying. I just don't want us to get overzealous with it, because that's what publications do they go overzealous and say well, let's give them a five, or whatever? And now later on, it's a scale of battling. Well, it wasn't really a five, we were just kind of in the moment.
Speaker 1:Like you said, we're live. Our objective was to get our top ten out there, rank our top ten, but the rankings, the hip-hop ratings, are on the fly, so that's something that could be fluid and we can, like you know really work with that.
Speaker 3:I don't want to fool with it. We can't do that to our audience. We got to work it out live. So here's what I would tell you King's Disease 2 would be a four and a half, and so we got to bump Rhapsody down to 4.25.
Speaker 1:Now you're bringing in goat talk.
Speaker 3:It doesn't matter, the album rating. Is the album rating Like? Think about this If Kings disease three is a five, right, it's Kings disease three or five, do you?
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what about Alfredo by Freddie Gibbs?
Speaker 1:That's a five. That's a five.
Speaker 3:Pray for Paris, West Side Gun Five. She's two steps away from that. That'd be a 4.25. That's not a four and a half Because that makes stuff like KD2 a four and a half.
Speaker 1:That would be three steps away from that because you go 4.75, 4.5, 4.25. Yeah, two, three steps away from that because you go 4.75, 4.5 two, three steps, like from a king to a god.
Speaker 3:What would you give? From a king to a god? I would give it a 4.75.
Speaker 1:I would give it a 4.5 I give it a straight 4.5.
Speaker 3:Rhapsody's album is not better than from a king to a god. You're telling me that it's from a king to a god is a 4.5. Then this isn't a 4.5. As much as I love raps, you know what I'm saying. Put on for Carolina. It's not better from a king to a god.
Speaker 4:No, because again we are comparing it to the current landscape Right.
Speaker 3:That's why I'm bringing up the albums that have come out from this era. That's great. Is Daytona a 5 to y'all?
Speaker 1:No, that's a few steps behind Daytona you feel me there's only a few more fives I can think of. I got Magic as a five. I got Magic 3 as a five.
Speaker 3:I would tell you that's a 4.75. Magic 3? I think it's going to turn into a five the way it was written turned into. I would tell you that's a 4.75. Magic 3? Yeah, I think it's going to turn into a 5. The way it was written turned into a 5, but that's the long haul, that's not unfair, but personally I got it at 5 right now.
Speaker 1:It's not created equal with KD3. I think KD3 is better, but I still got Magic 3 as a 5 because it's the more fleshed out project than Magic. But Magic was a moment and it was so stellar it was just like isolated lightning in a bottle and a small package pause. But magic three is the better. Like you say, coop in the end player as a house. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, it's like this Not all fives are created equal, right, Let the rhythm hit them in the low end theory. Oh no, those are both fives. Yeah, I hit the nail on the head with KD2 at a 4.5 because I got KD1 and Magic 2 at both fours, right. But what I'm saying is is I?
Speaker 1:don't think that Rhapsody's album is as good as KD2 and that would be a 4.5.
Speaker 3:But it's closer than what most would admit. Oh no, that's why it's at a 4.25. It's close, it's conversational. How about this? There's not a store run or nobody on this album.
Speaker 1:There you go. It's missing that moment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that moment he's missing the moment to take it to that. Well damn, it's damn near a classic classic. He has those moments on KD2. And he has Death Row East. I like to point out that on KD2 is Death Row East. It's a rap song about Tupac by East Coast artists from Queens. You should listen to Death Row East sometimes. That's all I got for the day. My shameless plug for Death Row East 4.25 for Rhapsody yes, I Am God and Game.
Speaker 1:That will bump them down to fours.
Speaker 3:Yep, Now here's the thing. I think that the I Am God and Paisley Dreams album is better than the Schoolboy album, so they're not on the same level.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying, Schoolboy. I think he's a 3.5.
Speaker 1:I think he's a 3.75. Are we going 3.75,. Man I can't give it a 3.5,. Man I got to give it a 3.75.
Speaker 3:Me too. But here's the thing Now I do feel like the schoolboy all the way to the Vince might all be 3.75. Yeah, so where does the 3.5 start? So the gunner would be a 3.75. Maybe at the big hit, 3.75. I feel like the future Metro might be where the 3.5 starts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was getting ready to say the same thing. I agree with that.
Speaker 3:So 3.5. Man, I want y'all to listen to the mock homie, Because I think that's a 4.
Speaker 1:I'm going to tap into that when we hop off the show.
Speaker 4:Yeah, me too. I'm going to tap into that After I hop off of this, because I do want to do some.
Speaker 3:Yeah do some deep diving on both. So the mocks are 3.5, dog pounds are 3.5.
Speaker 1:And mass to ace.
Speaker 3:Mass to ace, I think the vintages a 3.5. And Master Ace, master Ace. I think the Vince is a 3.5 too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we're going to have to sit down behind the scenes and do some photos.
Speaker 1:We got the bare bones of it.
Speaker 3:We got the 10. We can work the rest out. So the Rhapsody is 4.25. The I Am God and the Game and Big Hit are 4s. The Schoolboy, the Gunna and the Big Hit and Hit album is 3.75. The Future, Mop, Dog Pound and Master Ace are 3.5. Now here's what happens with this when we go low, we can't go high again, so these ratings have to stay the same.
Speaker 1:Well, I ain't mad at that, because the second half of 2024, I believe, is going to bump a lot of these records down anyway.
Speaker 3:The Common and Pete Rock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got a list.
Speaker 3:Sounding very 4.5-ish, sounding very 4.5-ish.
Speaker 1:I got a top 10 list of upcoming albums that have been announced, so it's not just speculation and y'all let me know um. You know which ones y'all are also okay, yes, we will go ahead yeah, oh, and this is an old head list. I got them ranked one through ten. Number one I got nasa, primo most anticipated. Number two I got, I got Common and.
Speaker 3:Pete Rock, it's not coming out. Ag, it's dropping, not.
Speaker 1:Number two Common and Pete. Rock with the Auditorium, volume 1. Number three LL and Q-Tip with Force. Number four the Clips album produced by Pharrell. I forgot the title of that joint. Number five the Fall Off by J Cole. Number six the new rock Him album, god's Network. Number seven Eminem, Death of Slim JD. Number eight Vultures 2 with Kanye and Ty Dolla $ign.
Speaker 3:That's definitely not happening. Ag, probably not. That's why I said number eight, number nine, might not happen either.
Speaker 1:Snoop and Dre with Missionary Not happening. Number 10, I just heard about this the other day. I don't know if y'all heard or not, but next month Cormega and Havoc will be previewing a project together.
Speaker 3:I trust that.
Speaker 1:And then, honorable mention, I got the Styles P trilogy that Sean talked about on the last show. It goes to past, present and future. I don't want him to come out with that on. The last show goes to past present and future? I don't want him to come out with that. All that said, this is the old head list that I might be. You sound very old, you sound very old Common LL Clips Rakim, eminem, snoop, cormega Styles P. But that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 3:Y'all got anything to add. First of all, half these albums aren't coming out. The Styles isn't coming out, the Nas and Primo's not coming out, the Dr Dre and Snoop is definitely not coming out. There's no chance in hell of that coming out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't have too much faith in that one. The Nas of Primo is coming, though.
Speaker 3:No, it's not. You want to put a wager on that? Hey, explain this to me. What has Nas been doing all year? What year is it? It's 2024, right? You know what rap album came out 30 years ago. What has he been doing all year? He's been promoting the tour, but you forget?
Speaker 1:he dropped Magic 2 and Magic 3 while he was doing the New York State of Mind tour with the Woo. That's nothing for him.
Speaker 3:And he explained that most of those projects got done before he went and toured.
Speaker 1:He still doubled back and did a lot of those, even on KD3. He doubled back and did three songs. Still counts, still counts. He still doubled back and did a lot of those. Even on KD3 he doubled back and did three songs still counts plus, we don't know how long Nas has been in the lab already. It'll come out before or by October. I'm giving it to October.
Speaker 1:You are, I'm giving it to October if we don't see it by October, then I'm going to think we ain't getting it, but I think we'll get it by October. And that's not inside information. That's just how I feel.
Speaker 3:First of all, your feelings aren't facts. Who told you that lie? Feelings aren't facts. He's touring for Illmatic 30. All right, he's touring for Illmatic 30.
Speaker 1:We got to put a little money money weight on this Coop.
Speaker 3:I don't think you understand.
Speaker 1:Are you a bad man? Are you a bad man Coop?
Speaker 3:The Bible tells me not to gamble, but if you?
Speaker 1:want to shake the dice a little bit don't do that, don't do that.
Speaker 3:You want to play a little C-low with me. You want to shake a little dice, a little 4-low, with me. You want to shake a little nice little 4-5-6, little 8-2 strips. You want to play around? We can play around. That album's not coming out this year. You want to know why that album's not coming out this year.
Speaker 1:What are we putting up? No, let's do this. If the album drops this year, you got to wear a Kendrick Lamar shirt on the live.
Speaker 3:Oh no, I'll never do that I thought you was a. Batman Coop. You want to know what. You want to know what you got it. I wear Kung Fu Kenny for all his trashy-ass fans. Your fans suck, you guys suck.
Speaker 4:Hey, with that said, thank you all for joining us.
Speaker 3:No. I want to say a couple things about AG's list. First of all, nas and Prima not coming out this year. Neither is Dre and Snoop. You want to know why? Because those guys can't afford to make fours. They know they can't afford to make fours. The buy-in at that table since we're gambling and shit is 4.5 and above, which means they're going to have to spend some time together that they probably haven't spent yet. It's going into July. I don't think that time is happening. I think the LL and Q-Tip is going to be strong, but not album of the year. I think Clipse and J Cole have album of the year contention on their albums. In J Cole's case, he better be fucking making the best rap album this year, not settling for anything less than a five from him.
Speaker 1:The Vultures.
Speaker 3:I don't count on that coming out either First of all, it's Kanye, so you can't never count on that.
Speaker 1:Rakim, I would have higher if I didn't see the feature list. I would have that ranked higher on my division.
Speaker 3:If the Rakim is a four, well, god bless the God, because I don't even think the four is happening for that album. The Common and Pete Rock excites me. That's feeling like album of the year right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Cormega and. Havoc, and then Eminem is on my list.
Speaker 3:Cormega and Havoc and Eminem are going to be above what we expect, but not albums of the year.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this With the Marsha album, dre putting that out.
Speaker 3:I don't care. It's got nothing to do with this rap shit.
Speaker 1:You don't think that he's still locking in with Snoop? Has nothing to do with this rap shit.
Speaker 4:No.
Speaker 1:I'll believe it when I see it, but Nothing.
Speaker 3:When Dre and Snoop are getting back together. Dre didn't touch that. Dre and Snoop getting back together is bigger than even Nas and Preem getting back together, because Nas and Preem don't have a classic rap album together. These niggas have the chronic and doggy style. The State have never been higher for a duo.
Speaker 1:What I was moving to with the Dog Pound joint though is, like you know, dre didn't touch that, but you know Snoop had his fingerprints on that album and that gave me some hopes of this Snoop album coming out. But more than anything, that Dog Pound album really made me miss Nate Dogg, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 3:How about this? If Nate Dogg's on the Dog Pound album? We're having an album of the year discussion, because the only thing that that album is really missing is Nate Dogg and a couple of Dr Dre beats. You can get the Dr Dre beats, but you can't replace Nate Dogg. Right Dre beats, but you can't replace Nate Dogg, right, I feel you. We have the Dogg Pound album at number nine. Oh, no, two Dr Dre beats and about four Nate Dogg hooks.
Speaker 3:Take you from about nine to about two, maybe one, it's like that, but it won't be happening. You got a better chance of getting a Nate Dogg hook than you do. Some beats from Dr Dre right now. Listen, you're understanding the words that are coming out of my mouth when I'm saying that One of these guys is here, one of these guys is not. You still stand a better chance of getting the Nate Dog hook.
Speaker 1:What you got, Sean.
Speaker 4:This is brought to you on Sundays. Thank you all for coming out this evening, this afternoon. I know you're about to get ready to get your Sunday dinner on.
Speaker 3:Y'all will be seeing.
Speaker 1:Coop wearing Kendrick Lamar's shirt sometime soon.
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold, on, hold on. I'm not letting you skate like that. You made this list and you didn't say nothing about Kendrick needing to make an album this year.
Speaker 1:No, these are albums that's already been announced in some form or fashion.
Speaker 3:He needed to be announcing his album, because he was about to do that until Drake called him out and told him the only reason you're doing all this is because it's time for you to drop another album. You better drop this year. He can drop an album for sure.
Speaker 1:He do need to drop an album.
Speaker 3:Hey, people are going to stop acting like. Kendrick and Cole and Drake are 25. These niggas are closer to our age than their fan base's age.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this If Kendrick does, drop do you think his album is better than Cole's, if he does drop?
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:I have no proof that that's going to happen, but for J Cole's sake and for my sake, it better not be.
Speaker 1:All of.
Speaker 3:Carolina is at risk If I have to hear from these crappy-ass fans about how their guy made a better album than somebody from no he better not.
Speaker 2:That's why J Cole's album better be album of the year.
Speaker 1:J Cole better make album of the year. If you lose his bet about the Nas of Primo dropping, it specifically has to be a Mr Morale shirt, not just Kendrick. Oh no, I won't do that?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, I won't do that. I'll support black business, but I won't support bad black business. Oh come on, I'll wear a Good Kid Mad City t-shirt. No, I'm not.
Speaker 3:That's like supporting a Roach Motel instead of the Ritz Carlton. It's like I put on a Good Kid Mad City shirt. I'm not putting on that Roach Motel of a Mr Morale shirt. It's one of the worst rap albums a superstar ever made. Superstar ever made. He needs to be happy that Snoop Dogg made the Dogfather, because that's the only thing from saving him from having made the worst rap album that a superstar, a rap superstar, has ever made.
Speaker 1:The shot man that.
Speaker 3:I brought Mr Morale up and you know it, ridiculous he's made one album in seven years.
Speaker 1:My bad man, my bad.
Speaker 3:Who the fuck is, mr Morale, by the way, it's you, mr Morale, by the way, it's you. No, no, no. What is this? Is this Death of a Salesman or some shit? The Crucible this motherfucker's doing plays? It's like how about? You rap, since you ain't rapped in five years. Nigga, he's the worst. I'm ready to go. I feel traumatized and treated. Maybe I should listen to Mr Morale, since he's been traumatized.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait, One more bet before you know Shaw. I don't know where Shaw went, but all right, If you lose the Nas and Preen bet, you got to wear a Kendrick shirt. If you lose the Snoop and Dre bet, then you got to apologize to Lupe on Twitter.
Speaker 4:Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3:First of all, I never apologized to a man that I beat.
Speaker 4:You bet it's never coming out man.
Speaker 3:I already said that he was brilliant.
Speaker 1:I already said he was in the upper echelon of lyricism.
Speaker 3:I literally said on this show that he's brilliant. I love what he's doing at MIT because these punk ass white kids need help, because they don't know anything about hip hop in MIT. They need his help. I already called him brilliant. I've already said he's in the same category as the black pop as the Black. Fox. But I'm not apologizing to that man, not after I roasted him and waxed him. Coop got his little thumbs back.
Speaker 1:Like and subscribe to the channel I rolled him up and I smoked him.
Speaker 3:I rolled him up and I smoked him. He out here deleting tweets. I'm like no, I will not.
Speaker 1:The views and opinions of Kupa Valley. Kupa is not that of Hip Hop Talks and Sean or AG.
Speaker 4:Kupa operates on his own.
Speaker 3:He operates on his own, but it's only way to play. It's ridiculous Apologize to Lupe. I never apologized to him.
Speaker 1:All right, man, I got gotta come up with something else then for that shout out to Lupe get creative.
Speaker 3:Yes, I just put Lupe. I just ranked Lupe's album higher than y'all did, but he don't want this smoke no, you ain't ranking higher than we did.
Speaker 1:I had a 14, where you have it. I had samurai at number 8 okay, okay, hey, that steps in the right direction. Coop.
Speaker 4:Yes.
Speaker 3:Yo, I've grown, I've evolved. I'm a better version of me than I've ever been.
Speaker 1:Is this your final form Yo?
Speaker 4:Yo, this brought your Sundays. Guys, let's get out of here.
Speaker 1:Let's go Peace yo. Thanks for coming out to the campaign campaign.
Speaker 3:Check us out on TikTok. Yeah, yeah, holler at us on TikTok, we up and running.
Speaker 4:No doubt Peace.