Ep. 007 - Unveiling the Trailblazers of UK Wedding Videography Education

Running a successful wedding videography business requires both experience and industry insight. While expertise naturally develops over time, there are pioneers within the wedding videography community who generously share their knowledge to foster industry growth. In this podcast episode, we shine a light on these mentors and discuss the invaluable resources they offer.

Explore the dynamic landscape of the UK wedding videography scene, from transformative conferences to cutting-edge courses propelling the next generation of industry talent forward

CODA HAS NOW SOLD OUT
https://coda-conference.com/

Wedding Videographers mentioned
https://www.adamwingfilms.com/
https://www.gbweddingfilms.co.uk/
https://www.roostain.com/
https://www.russellkentnicholls.com/
https://www.lawsonfilms.co.uk/
https://tynegate-films.com/
https://www.tinboxmemories.co.uk/
https://costasisterproductions.co.uk/

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Danny Rizzo
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Jase Hunter
https://www.instagram.com/afterglowweddings

Transcript

Danny (00:00):

How are you doing, Jason?

Rizzo (00:01):

I'm really good. We've had a really good, I'm busy 24 hours,

Danny (00:05):

72

Rizzo (00:05):

Hours. The podcast went live yesterday, Thursday the 18th. We're recording this podcast on Friday the 18th, and yeah, I had to remember what day it was. I can't actually remember what day it is these days, but yeah, it's been a crazy and exciting time. A long time building up for this.

Danny (00:26):

Yeah. If you think about it as a recording at the moment, we launched the podcast just over 24 hours ago, and it has been 14 months in the making since we officially talked about it on a drunken night in box

Rizzo (00:45):

With a couple of venoms in hand. So yeah, it was a drunken Tuesday night after a little videographer meet up talking all about the industry, and yeah, we just thought that would be a super cool podcast to do. And here we are with all the branding, the table, the studio. I mean, we didn't even have this studio then.

Danny (01:08):

No, no,

Rizzo (01:09):

We did not. It's come a long way. It's inspired a lot of decisions that we've made over the last year.

Danny (01:13):

Yeah,

Rizzo (01:13):

A lot of expensive decisions,

Danny (01:17):

Very expensive decisions with another very expensive, ludicrous decision pending, but we'll come back to that in a little bit.

Rizzo (01:26):

That'll be worth it.

Danny (01:26):

It'll be worth it. Yeah. I mean, I hope so because if not biggest waste of money ever, but nevermind. So yeah, so we launched the podcast officially yesterday and since then, what's it been like?

Rizzo (01:41):

I mean, I've turned notifications on Instagram off just to keep myself focused because the amount of editing I still need to do. It's crazy that I'm just like, oh, what you said. Oh, you enjoying it,

Danny (01:53):

Spain, I reply to you, you've been on it.

Rizzo (01:55):

It's quite interesting when you share an Instagram account with someone and you go on and you go realise, oh, I've got no notifications. It's because Danny's read them all message, I'm here to chat to you all. So yeah, I've been keeping up to date with that and it's been so humbling, humbling. And also you're meeting people that you've not spoken to before as well that are coming in and finding you, and that's exciting because there's so many amazing creatives in this industry and starting someone like this is an opportunity to meet new people, learn from new people, and it is just super exciting. I've always wanted to have or be part of a podcast and exceeded

Danny (02:37):

Expectations massively because we've had over 200 downloads within the first 24 hours, which is incredible. I honestly was not expecting anywhere near that. I would've been happy with five. So to have over 200 of you listening in and giving us your feedback and sending in voice notes, and it's been incredible. We do have one voice note though, that particularly stood out.

Speaker 3 (03:03):

Tell me you liked the podcast without telling me you liked the podcast. I'll go first. So I had to get the train from Glasgow to Edinburgh today for a client meeting. So once the meeting was finished, I jumped back in the train to head back to Glasgow. I saw your guys' stories about the podcast and I thought, perfect. I've got some colour grading to do. I'll get a couple of episodes done. I was really excited to listen. So that was me beavering away on my laptop. All good. And then I see the train is grinding to halt, so I'm like, oh, perfect. My stop's here. I'm getting out at Glasgow. I get out the train and I'm back in Edinburgh. I kid you not. So the podcast was so good. I managed to get through it four episodes and didn't even realise that I went back with myself and did an entire new journey back to Edinburgh and didn't even notice,

Rizzo (04:02):

Is that called Inception?

Speaker 3 (04:03):

Got cut off there. But yeah, that was my day. Great waste of time, but also got the colour grading done, and so nice to listen to you guys. There was some really good nuggets in there and I thoroughly enjoyed it. So yeah, well done. And can't wait to listen to some more.

Rizzo (04:20):

I mean, that's what we're here for.

Danny (04:21):

I mean, yeah, we are here to disrupt your travel plans and living

Rizzo (04:25):

In your head rent free. Good as that. So, so good. Can you imagine though, actually? Oh, you get absolutely raging. I mean, I've fallen asleep on the train and I've woken up there, but I've never consciously been awake working and just went, this

Danny (04:41):

Train's taken an awful

Rizzo (04:42):

Long time. It's like having a conversation with a stranger on the train that's so enthralling that you realise, oh, actually I'm in Newcastle. I haven't really, geez.

Danny (04:54):

I mean,

Rizzo (04:55):

That was fun.

Danny (04:56):

I could not stop laughing when I got that. That's when I sent it to you. I was like, go and listen to this voice note, and the two of us were just chucking

Rizzo (05:04):

On me. Amazing. I mean, I feel guilty. Not

Danny (05:08):

Really.

Rizzo (05:10):

We're not reimbursing you or anything. Imagine the conversation with the ticket conductor. By the way, I'm not even meant to do this trade. This podcast was just so good that I just stayed on. I just stayed on. So yeah, perfect, perfect. Listening conditions is the train apart.

Danny (05:25):

Absolutely. So keep them coming.

Rizzo (05:26):

Yeah, please keep your voice on. Please

Danny (05:29):

Try and look out the window and the train from there, and then to see what your next stop is. The next stop is that Wedding Videographer podcast. Welcome to that Wedding Videographer

Rizzo (05:43):

Podcast. I'm Danny. And I'm Jace. And we have both had a similar journey when it comes to how we've got here. In some

Danny (05:52):

Respects. In some respects,

Rizzo (05:55):

And I think that comes down to the education that we have invested in,

Danny (06:01):

Not even the education that we've invested in. Obviously that has had a part to play in it, but the free education as well.

Rizzo (06:07):

Yeah, has been

Danny (06:08):

Huge.

Rizzo (06:08):

I think we've always had an interest in bettering ourselves, and that comes from looking at YouTube videos, listening to podcasts, and then even diving into, once we've found someone that is kind of speaking to us on a different level, we're like, yeah, okay, I want to hear more from that. I want to get a one-to-one

Danny (06:26):

Experience.

Rizzo (06:28):

It's not really something when I started that I thought would actually be available for something as niche as this.

Danny (06:34):

No, no. I didn't really think of it because I used, if I think back to when I first started, it was a time when I didn't have the camera and my GH five at the time, Panasonic Oil the whole way, and I didn't have, so I didn't have the camera and I needed to learn how to use it. I had a shit coming up that I had planned. So I learned basically how to use the camera through YouTube so that by the time I actually got the camera, I knew how to, I obviously didn't have it in my hand, but I knew how, I knew all the menu sets and where I had to go for certain things and the settings that I had to plug into it. So that was a massive, massive help, and YouTube has a great resource of information that you can choose from. I'd say the only downside with YouTube is it's hard to, when you're looking for a specific point, it can be quite hard to find that specific thing that you're looking for because there's so much filler.

Rizzo (07:38):

Yeah, it's almost hard to know what you're actually searching for. I find this whenever, when I was learning editing, I didn't quite know what that technique was called. I was like typing into

Danny (07:48):

YouTube,

Rizzo (07:48):

How do I make this scene sparkle, but also fade away to the left and then zoom up and down. Good. Good luck with that search. Bingo, got it. That's an epic keyword. We're not going to have too much Before you know it, you've got

Danny (08:02):

My little pony coming up

Rizzo (08:04):

Or something. With the sprinkler. We need to do better at naming editing techniques and giving them names if there's little trick shots that you do

Danny (08:10):

The Ken Burns.

Rizzo (08:12):

Yeah, something like that.

Danny (08:13):

So random. So random.

Rizzo (08:15):

So it was difficult learning that, but I spent so long looking at editing tutorials and how to build story and things like that. YouTube is such a great resource for any education. I think anyone knows that already, but I'm always constantly surprised at the kind of content that you can find on YouTube that just matches whatever you're into. When I started this, I was just want to see a POV of someone working at a wedding just to find any relatability, and it was amazing how little stuff there was back then. Now there's plenty of it.

Danny (08:53):

Yeah, the editing thing as well, because I think if you're someone that's new into the industry, if I think about me and my journey, so I'd second shot, I think I'd said before in a podcast. It was David from Arrow Productions who had seen me do a couple of engagement shoots online, told me to come to do weddings with him, brought me along to a couple, which I'm very grateful for, essentially just getting me into wedding filmmaking. But I wasn't really terribly keen on it at the time, but he was like, you need to come. So I started doing a bit of shooting, but obviously as a second shooter, you're not getting to edit the films. So when it came round that I was starting to, I had a little bit of a portfolio. I'd also done a shot our friend's wedding at the time, and I'd done a little bit of editing, but I wasn't really too clued up on how do you sort the story out or it was a little bit what my initial attempts were a little bit mishmash.

(09:51):

So it was during lockdown, it was Adam Wing who had his course that he started, he created, I think he created it during lockdown, and I bought that course and oh my goodness, that literally just gave me, it was like the blueprint of how to actually edit a wedding film. And it was brilliant because for somebody that had no insider knowledge into how that operated, that was just like, oh my God, this is phenomenal. Getting all this information at what was not, it wasn't terribly expensive really for the value that I got out of it. It wasn't majorly expensive, but it done so much for me. So yeah. Thank you Adam for making that.

Rizzo (10:43):

Yeah, I think there's not really a university of wedding videographers. It doesn't really exist. You don't go and study this. You can study how to do film, you can study how to operate cameras, but wedding videography definitely is learned. Majority of people learn it through experience. From my background, obviously I was a second shooter for so long and I was basically taught how to shoot a wedding from that company's style until I went out myself and did it. But I didn't do any editing for weddings, so I had no idea about what shots I should be getting or how long I should be holding shots. The simple or the pan Or the pan. Oh my God,

Danny (11:21):

Don't do the pan. The pan, yeah. Although you pan now, but it works for your style, I guess.

Rizzo (11:27):

Yeah, you pan pan wet.

Danny (11:28):

Yeah, pan

Rizzo (11:29):

Wep. Yeah, something like that. The simpler of pressing record immediately after a clip. What am I trying to say here?

Danny (11:39):

Hold it for five seconds, hold it for five

Rizzo (11:40):

Seconds. There you go.

Danny (11:41):

Hold Once they say cut, hold it five more

Rizzo (11:44):

Seconds. That's it. That's on the Scottish By Videographer Facebook page. That's the tagline. And

Danny (11:49):

It's true.

Rizzo (11:51):

It's good advice. It's so true because when I started editing my own weddings, I was like, oh, why have I made this so difficult for myself? And a lot of people who just shoot weddings don't actually realise how difficult it is to edit footage if you haven't actually thought about the edit as well. So that definitely was something that people struggle with at the beginning. My sort of journey into finding people that kind of inspired me, I had a bunch of adverts where the Hatful Weddings team were there and they were the first, because when I first started, there wasn't many podcasts about it. There was one, but the episodes had been uploaded years ago, and the Hatful weddings were just this team that were constantly uploading some really useful conversations at the time for me. So I found it really relatable. It was the first kind of community where they were actively talking about the things that I wanted to do. I think there were forums around here, but they were mainly just focused on getting other people work rather than how can I make myself better? So that was kind of my introduction into education, and I think I just became so obsessed with it because I knew by applying what other people were saying, I was going to speed up a lot faster. And that's definitely what changed me from the decision of, I need better cameras, do I need to improve my branding?

(13:09):

That's kind of what forced me to go down that direction.

Danny (13:11):

Yeah, I think the great thing about things like that and having access to those people is because you learn from their experience, their lived experience of having X amount of years. So you just, by getting access to people like that in education, it speeds up your growth massively. I know personally I wouldn't have been able to have the growth that I've had, for instance, without Adam's course. And obviously having access to some of the other stuff that I've had access to through how to film weddings and stuff like that. It has been good. And obviously I think we probably both agree though that there definitely has been, because the markets are different. It can be hard to relate to some of the information that you get. You almost need to take it and then go, okay, how does that fit over here?

Rizzo (14:11):

I mean, that was definitely the initial thing I thought what they were saying, what they were saying you could potentially achieve. I had to take with a pinch of salt because obviously when I was brand new to the industry, I kind of thought, well maybe that is. And then you try and achieve that and you realise and understand what this market is. Actually, it's completely different. I mean, it's

(14:34):

A sixth or a seventh of the size that the US market is, if you think about it, with the populations of our country. Plus, I believe that they've got access to more of a global market than we do potentially. If you go South America, north America, it's even bigger than that. So it's a completely different market. Obviously weddings are kind of structured differently over there as well. So there is a lot to, essentially what I liked about it was just the fact that people weren't actually talking about it. I think it was the initial, it was the first sort of group of people that I found who are actively talking about different techniques to improve yourself as a wedding videographer. And that's what I really liked about it. And I kind of stayed attached to the American podcast for a while until I realised that actually I need something different. And that's where I've been glad that there's been more and more UK videographers coming out and actually speaking about their experience and launching new workshops and stuff for us to attend.

Danny (15:38):

Yeah. Oh no, definitely. So there's the new one, the Coda.

Rizzo (15:43):

Coda is a wedding videographer conferences happening in Birmingham in October. I'm pretty sure it's Tuesday the 22nd. So and nine Dots that have come

Danny (15:51):

Together

Rizzo (15:52):

To create this wedding videographer conference down in Birmingham. They've already announced a few speakers. You've got Russell, Kent, Nichols, Costa Sisters, I believe are included in that as well.

Danny (16:00):

10 Gabe Films. And then you've also got Bronte from Tinder bch, who is a fell panny shooter who has awesome work as well. She is really, really good. She's H as well, the Panasonic Re she is on, yes. Did chat to me about advice from jumping ship from Sony to Panny. There you go. There you go. There you go. But yeah, another person flying the flag for Lumix and of course Russell, Kent Nichols, who is awesome as well.

Rizzo (16:30):

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it sounds very exciting. I think there's obviously been photographer conferences going for a while. Thrive is a big one that I think everyone is aware of, but there hasn't necessarily been a videographer, a wedding videographer, a specific one. So this is really exciting, really exciting. We're both signed up to newsletters. Most likely we'll be getting tickets

Danny (16:50):

To

Rizzo (16:50):

That. So if you're going,

Danny (16:52):

But I mean we'll go to the opening of an envelope to be honest. I mean, you definitely will,

Rizzo (16:57):

Definitely will. Just side me

Danny (16:58):

Up. Jason is the biggest social butterfly ever. He all the grips. I'm surprised he actually has any time to edit, to be honest, because his phone just must be going off constantly. I can just see him at his desk with about 19 phones all going off with all the different WhatsApp clips. Yeah.

Rizzo (17:12):

Oh my cartel.

Danny (17:15):

So yeah, so we've got that. But also we're just starting to see more educators come into this space in terms of, so you've got Greg Burnett as well from GB Wedding Films, who's started doing the Avanza workshops. His stuff is phenomenal. He's really entertaining as well, and he's a really good speaker, but he's just him starting to do those kind of workshops is just another ticket into, for instance, he's focusing mainly on the destination kind of stuff. So he's done one in France, he's got another one coming up in Lake Cuomo, which he is also doing a giveaway at the moment. So if you're not following Greg Greg from GB Wedding Films, go and enter that competition to win your ticket to go over. But it's stuff like that that is just starting to help raise the bar for everybody. And ultimately what all of this does is if we think about the core of it is still, it's the couple and the client, but by consuming all this information and consuming all this education, ultimately you will make better wedding films, therefore you will, if we think about what you're delivering, you're delivering in a time capsule for that couple that they are probably going to be watching or hopefully will be watching in 20, 30 years from now

(18:35):

And maybe even longer. So you want to make that the best version possible and education definitely has a part to play in it.

Rizzo (18:44):

Yeah, there's that famous saying that a rising tide raises all ships, and if there are people coming out there who are actively sharing their knowledge, for anyone who's been in the industry for a while and anyone coming into the industry, if that's the standard that's being set, then this market is going to completely raise in quality, which ultimately is going to be good for all of us.

Danny (19:07):

Yeah, a hundred percent, a hundred percent. And I'm excited about the shifts, just that we're starting to see not only that from obviously all these educators coming on, but then just with couples starting to value video a lot more, it's just, it's really, really exciting. And also photographers are noticing that as well, because a lot of photographers are then going into the hybrid side of things, which they are then also going to be consuming all this education information in that as well, which is, again,

Rizzo (19:36):

We're not quite in the hybrid area yet, but it's around the corner.

Danny (19:39):

Yeah, it's not far away.

Rizzo (19:39):

I think the photographers have realised that there's a great opportunity if they can. I mean, it's very difficult. I've tried hybrid in the past and it is difficult, but there are ways of going about it smartly

Danny (19:53):

Hats off that that does it well, because it's not easy to be able to balance, get the shot that you need, for instance, for the confetti, and then quickly switch over to video. And it's a skill.

Rizzo (20:06):

It's the key moments during a ceremony, I can imagine. Yep. You just have a 7,200 up and you've got

Danny (20:11):

That's easy.

Rizzo (20:11):

Yeah, that's easy. So you just have a static and that's covered. But those moments that the confetti where you don't know in that moment if there's competitive covering the faces, because that's why they'll just put the shutter down and get their 12 to 20 images a second because there will be a clean one in there as there is when we're doing slow motion camera. If you're flicking between it, that is, that's different gravy. That's so much it's handle. Let us know if you are a photographer and you do that and you're listening voice, notice your experience of trying this or even dare.

Danny (20:42):

It just sounds so stressful. I mean, if I think about how difficult it can be just to get the shots that we need as videographers for the film to then I into the mix. I mean, my head would go,

Rizzo (20:55):

Do you know what I would do? Actually? I'd have a little phone adapter in the hot shoe, put that horizontal, put that on Slowmo, and then you've got the shot. It might not be the same quality as both film, but at least you've got the shot.

Danny (21:08):

Yeah, I mean you could do, could do. It's just, I mean, phones are getting better, but

Rizzo (21:12):

Yeah,

Danny (21:13):

We're not quite at that because depth of fuel and all that and

Rizzo (21:15):

Stuff. Oh, I mean it's absolutely no comparison, but unless you get the shot, isn't it, you get the shot.

Danny (21:21):

I mean, you could add definitely if you're adding on a content creator thing onto your packages, I mean, absolutely do that. But

Rizzo (21:26):

Content creators too. It's more and more people coming into this industry, not just for wedding videography. The photographers are coming in for hybrid. We've got content creators coming in and want to improve their craft because I've already seen some content creators producing some really good stuff from the phone, not just like people walking into a room, they actually think about composition, actively think about lighting. I mean, the cameras are powerful enough to create something decent for social media.

Danny (21:50):

There's a few that are really, really good. And going back to the education thing, these are all people that will be able to benefit from the different parts of education. But then if we go back to that part of the topic, not only have you got that, but you've also got people that offer mentoring, which I have found really, really useful. Just as a bit of a sense check to how am I doing? So I have used Ru Kitt Nichols quite a few times just to have a chat and a blather.

Rizzo (22:31):

Yeah. What did you discuss in your one-to-one?

Danny (22:33):

Just I asked him to go maybe watch some of the films, some of my films tell me what he liked, maybe what I could improve upon and stuff like that. And just general chitchat about just the business and how to run it. I still need to figure out how in the world that he gets the image that he gets out of a Panasonic, because just what he's able to do with that camera, I just am in awe of sometimes. But

Rizzo (23:01):

Is he not using the DGI

Danny (23:04):

He is now? He still uses the Linux cameras as like, he's kind of be in C cams, I think. But yeah, I think he's using the, which I piece of the camera. I love it. I mean, it looks unreal, but I mean the back strain is,

Rizzo (23:20):

Oh, he bought himself a little baby

Danny (23:22):

Carrier. Baby carrier thing. Yeah. It was quite funny because when he was saying about it, he was having to explain to his accountant why he was putting that through the tax thing. I thought that was hilarious. The mentoring's also a great thing just as this essence, check to how you're doing and just get another opinion because it can just be like, because you can also, because you might have that imposter syndrome, so you might have suffered from imposter syndrome. I know we've talked about before. I certainly do quite frequently, and obviously you've said that, so it's good to get somebody else, especially somebody that's amazing at the craft like Russell to go, no, you, you're doing, you're actually doing good.

Rizzo (24:03):

Yeah. I think even if someone doesn't actively advertise mentoring, if you like someone's work, I think the majority of us do talking about our craft and do helping other people. I always encourage anyone to reach out. I reached out to people like Bottle Brush from Australia. I reached out to them and asked them questions and they were more than helpful. Jay and Mac films did the same

(24:26):

For me. They were more than happy to give me advice on what they do because we're all in the same boat, and I think because we work alone, it can be you sometimes just ask your friends and family for, oh, what do you think of this? And they're going to blow the smoke up yours. They are. Everyone is going to say, that was amazing. Oh, that's great. That was great. So good, so magical. Because of course they're not going to be rude or they don't necessarily know because they haven't been looking at the industry standard for a while. They don't really know. It's never going to matter. You're never going to think that you are good enough. No matter how good you get, you're always going to look at someone doing something that's better. So that will always be with you, but you can use that as fuel to make yourself better, to find yourself improvement. If you think you're not good at something, you can actively improve that and do that by just asking people. I think that's a really good way because this whole education type market and thing, I think it does get, there's a lot of cynics that see it initially and think, oh, can we really benefit from that? What do they know and stuff. And I think it's so worthwhile looking past that because we're all learning this.

Danny (25:41):

We're

Rizzo (25:41):

All trying to get better, and I think a lot of people just kind of shy away from it. They think it's, yeah.

Danny (25:49):

I think a lot of people were like, oh, selling the snake oil or whatever, and this is not, this podcast is not a podcast about us talking about us selling any kind of education or whatnot. We just want to get there. I guess what we're trying to say here is that if you try and try and look past and do a little bit of research, there is really, really good stuff out there for people at all different levels. And not to be massively cynical about some things. Yes, there are some things that maybe promise the world and take this course and you will book $40,000 weddings and stuff like that. And I'm sure there maybe is people that have done it and have succeeded. But yeah, I think just looking, trying to look and see if you maybe don't want to go in full on courses or whatever, but look at other ways that you can do it by mentoring or different things like that. Because loads of stuff, I mean, there's Boomer with Multiply Media as well, isn't there, with the sound packs and stuff like that that he does, which I know I've seen you do it, and what you can then do to a song to then just completely switch it up. Yeah,

Rizzo (27:02):

It is incredible. Multiply media if you don't follow them. They're an American couple who are musicians, but they've built sound packs for wedding videographers. So if you use music from Music Bed for example, you can actually go in and enhance those songs with drums, with beats. I used their sound design pack, which has got a bunch of risers impact. That was through education that I figured out. You know what a way to enhance this just a little bit more is just have that crisp sound design, go in behind it and just enhance little bits of scenes. I wouldn't have found out if I was just staying in my lane and not looking around to think, how can I make this from a nine to a 10? Just that I love this, but how do I make it just better? The secret sauce. The secret sauce. So there's so many people out there that I think can really help you. And we'd love to get 'em all on here. Everyone come on board. No, definitely. That's another reason why we started this, because

Danny (28:05):

We just want to meet them.

Rizzo (28:06):

We just want to meet them. We'll talk to them, pick their brain, and I think we've both benefited and talk at length about what we can do to bear ourselves. And there's people out there just pouring information onto the internet. So we'd love to introduce you to them all.

Danny (28:21):

So we hope that you have found today's episode interesting, and if you have been on the fence about some education, we would love to hear your thoughts or feel free to send us some dms. Give us your thoughts on education. What do you think about it? I know Jason and I, as we've discussed in this podcast, have benefited massively from it. So we are more advocates of it, but for the right education. So yeah, we'd love to hear your feedback. So give us your feedback,

Rizzo (28:50):

And if there's anyone in the industry that inspires you or has gone out the way to help you or is just doing a really good job at sharing their knowledge, then we'd love for you to share them with us so that we can take some of that knowledge as well. Hopefully speak to them potentially about coming on. And yeah, we just want to learn from the very best in the industry, and we know you're all out there, so love to hear your feedback on who you think is doing a great job at elevating the industry.

Danny (29:18):

Well, I think that's it for today's podcast. Thank you so much for listening in.

Rizzo (29:22):

Thank you so much again, and as usual, we'll be here next week.

Danny (29:25):

Yeah, keep the voice notes coming in, and if you can, it would be awesome if you could leave as a little five star review. I think hopefully by this point it should be up on Apple Podcasts, so hopefully it is. If not, Jason can just scratch this bit out.

Rizzo (29:44):

It will be eventually. Oh,

Danny (29:46):

God knows. But yeah, till the next one. See you here. See you.