Ep. 008 - Quitting the 9-to-5: How to Know It's Time to Go All In

Starting out as a wedding videographer often begins as a part-time gig, with weekends dedicated to filming while holding down a steady job during the week. For many, this setup suffices, providing a nice income boost on weekends. Yet, for others, the dream is to break free from the confines of the 9-5 grind and pursue videography full-time. Making that leap can be intimidating, as it means letting go of the safety net of a regular paycheck.

In a candid discussion, Danny & Jase share their journeys into full-time wedding videography and offer invaluable advice for those considering making the transition. Learn from their experiences and discover what essentials you need in place before taking the leap into full-time videography

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Transcript

Jason (00:00):

I was saying to you this weekend that I didn't stay hydrated at my wedding, which is something that we all struggle with actually focusing on when are we going to eat, when are we going to drink more? I was working at a brewery this weekend and of course when given the opportunity, I had a beer. That was the only thing I drank all day, so of course the next day I felt like death.

Danny (00:21):

Yeah. Funnily enough, I was just literally just texting. Before we started this podcast, I was literally texting a Phil photographer and he's got five weddings this week, which is mental this week. This week, five wins and he's on number two already and I was like, make sure you drink water because you feel like absolute death the next

Jason (00:45):

Day. I generally think you could handle it if you were just on top of the water and the nutrition base, but just when is the right time to drink water? When do you get to go away? I just carry a bottle with me. Is there a satchel type water thing you could carry on? You probably just it's extra weight though. Little water packets or do what they do in mountain climbing where they get a backpack and Oh, the camelbacks? Yeah.

Danny (01:10):

Yeah, I had one of them.

Jason (01:11):

I love them.

Danny (01:12):

I took them to a festival once as well. It was great. Just filled it with booze.

Jason (01:15):

Well, I've already adopted the fanny pack this year, so I feel like why not just,

Danny (01:20):

It's just because the amount of water that you actually need, you just don't drink enough on a day.

Jason (01:26):

No. Well, you would need to go to the toilet. You'd be just sweating it out.

Danny (01:29):

Yeah,

Jason (01:30):

So no. Yeah, that is the, I'd say it's a New Year's resolution. We're a bit past that now, but

Danny (01:39):

Just a little bit

Jason (01:40):

March. My season's kind of just started and maybe I should start going, you know what? It needs to happen. I should at least be bringing my own water.

Danny (01:49):

You definitely need to bring your own water because it's like well, so you just don't always have time to go to the bar. I'm not terribly fear about skipping the queue or see if I see somebody at the bar, I say skip the queue. I'll see somebody at the bar and I kind of just flash the harness or the camera and be like, I'm kind of a big deal. I'm kind of a big deal here. Can you get me some water please? I don't want much. I have a cheap date.

Jason (02:19):

Yeah, I did think of doing that at the brewery I was at, but it was just a really obvious single file queue and everyone else was just doing,

Danny (02:27):

See, I'm just not fair,

Jason (02:28):

And I thought the staff would just hate me if I made them do anything else.

Danny (02:32):

Nope, I'll do it.

Jason (02:34):

Yeah,

Danny (02:34):

You need a drink. You need a drink. I've done it there.

Jason (02:37):

So with the rest of the queue,

Danny (02:38):

That wedding, I didn't even need one and it was a content career that was out with me and she was like, I'm so thirsty, I've not drink all day. And I was like, well just jump ahead, ask that guy again and go, oh no, I can't do that. I can't do that. And I'm like, he's not having to pay for it. You're not asking them for a double gin and tonic this prayer. I know.

Jason (03:00):

Forget it.

Danny (03:01):

What's to live?

Jason (03:02):

What's to live? What's the hydrate? I know.

Danny (03:05):

Ridiculous. So yeah, no, I've literally got no fear about just saying, Hey, how are you doing camera? Can you do me a favour? You get me every glass of water. I've not had a drink all day. Boom. You get a glass of water.

Jason (03:15):

Well, believe it or not, this episode is not about water, but it is a top

Danny (03:19):

Tip. It's sponsored by Kirkland Springwater though and Brew dog. Well balanced it out.

Jason (03:26):

Yeah,

Danny (03:27):

Stay hydrated.

Jason (03:27):

Why even why these are on the table. I mean I'm going to keep about drink that you probably don't like water, do you? I had dinner to queue for it, so I have to queue for my water. A normal person, I'm going to keep my water. I wish it didn't throw off either. The thirsty today.

Danny (03:42):

Well,

Jason (03:43):

That's your problem. You're not having

Danny (03:45):

Any money. You go. So today's topic is going to be all about when is the right time or the ideal time to quit your job if you're doing this, if you're a listener out there and you are currently doing this as we once were, we're even up until fairly recently, how do you know when is the right time to quit your job?

Jason (04:25):

I think this is something that people start when they're already working on a job, they get the idea that maybe they'd like to work within the wedding industry and film videos, film weddings. So it's something they can easily do because you only need to take weekends off or maybe a couple days and when far enough in advance when you need to take time off. So most people I think nowadays start whilst they're working another job, but obviously there comes a time when maybe you take on too many weddings or it's just becoming too much to handle, but are you making enough money to actually quit your job and trust that this is going to be doing it full time and also learn all the things that comes into not being paid a salary. I remember for me being the most daunting decision of my life so far

Danny (05:13):

It is though because think about it, you are in a job. So if I think about me, even before all of where I actually got to before I actually left my job, my job that I loved, it was the best job I ever had. But prior to that, I'd been in a corporate job for 10 and a half years, same job pretty much to the point where it was essentially institutionalised that I was like, that's just what I'm going to do. And then it was redundancy and that the option to stay was no longer there for me, but I would never have because you're comfortable, you get wage, get the pension, you don't need to worry about it and you know that you are just constantly going to get money every month you turn up to your work and you get the money, whereas then it flips when you are then in control or in control, but you feel maybe like you're not in control of bringing in money into the house. If you've got a mortgage, you've got family, you've got kids. It's really done.

Jason (06:29):

I dunno if I felt hood winged at the time because obviously my job, I had a lot of alone time. So I listened to inspirational podcasts and stuff and they all said, yes, go and chase your destiny and stuff and be in charge of yourself. And mixed that with the feeling that I didn't feel valued in the job that I was doing regardless. It was safe. It was a really secure job. And as you were saying,

Speaker 3 (06:52):

Why

Jason (06:53):

On earth would you leave that? I was getting encouraged by outside influence to go, you should be able to chase this. And of course that's why I was just full of steam ahead. I'm going to be working this. But it was still very difficult to leave because knowing that that wage was coming in and the fact that I had a job that I felt most people would be pretty lucky to have, and I didn't feel like I deserved that job in the first place. I didn't have the education to qualify now to get into that company. So I'm like, what am I walking away from here? Am I being an idiot? There's people, I don't have children or anything yet, but I think there's still someone else that relies on me to fund our life.

Danny (07:32):

I think it is quite interesting. The two of us have came from fairly similar exit basis in the sense of, because I was working at Deliveroo at the time and it was the best job I'd ever had and I was getting paid a good amount of money per year, most money I'd ever had in the corporate world, and the team were great. The company was great. It was one of those places where you actually really felt valued and I kind of felt like I'd been in the corporate world that long and just done my jobs I didn't really like and then grinded and grinded and grinded and got to this point and then I was in turmoil of, you worked so hard to get to this point and then you're just going to chuck it away. And that made the decision even harder because I think if you're someone that's you're in a job maybe that you don't like and videography or whatever, it's your passion, it's your side hustle, it's your hobby or whatever, and you much prefer that for instance than it's not even a contest, then it's such an easy decision to make and then as long as obviously the numbers make sense. But yeah, it is interesting that we were all similar kind of

(08:58):

Situations

Jason (08:59):

I think as well given because obviously there's benefits to leaving that outweigh financially. You get your time back. I knew that I had to be a certain place at nine o'clock every single day and I couldn't really, obviously I could take holidays off to do the weddings, but ultimately working for yourself came with this benefit of really being in charge of every single day, which now having done it for two years, I couldn't live without.

Danny (09:26):

Yeah, I know I couldn't go back. I'd be wholly

Jason (09:28):

Unemployable. Yeah. But at the time I was thinking, well, is that really beneficial? Am I really going to, I had unrealistic expectations. I thought the first Monday that I'm not employed by a company is going to be like a social media day and then Tuesday's going to do this and I'm going to have a structure. What happens when you quit is that there's no structure and no one telling you what to do. So you do nothing because why would you? It's what happens. So the benefits of leaving aren't just like financial, it's everything else. But whether or not that's actually a benefit is also up for debate because that gives you another level of stress when you're not actually being productive.

Danny (10:06):

I think you need to have, so there's loads of things that you need to have, but you need to have a plan. You need to have, we were talking about the numbers. If you're a wedding videographer at the moment, you've got a job just now and you've got a bunch of bookings and you're like, I'm regularly booking couple a month kind of thing, but your price point's maybe not quite as high. You just need to be careful about that timing that you do it because you really need to make sure that you have enough booked in and not just to the point where say you absolutely cannot go without in terms of money coming in, the be all and end all is you need 22 weddings. You can't really just leave at 20 weddings because what if three cancel? You really need to make sure that there's a surplus in there.

Jason (11:08):

So here's a question for you. When the decision did come to actually leave, what was your plan? What needed to happen for you before you made that

Danny (11:18):

Leap? I wanted to make sure that I had a lot of the big purchases out the way because, so when you're doing both simultaneously, we're in a little bit of false insecurity to be honest with you because you feel very cash rich. You feel like you are just playing more monopoly money

(11:42):

And it's very easy to get just stuck in that way. I think we've talked about it. We've both fell into that trap of after you go full time, you're still spending as if you've still got the money coming in from both ends and you really don't. So you definitely need to then change your viewpoint on what you're spending money on. But for me, I wanted to make sure that the big purchases were out the way. So I wanted to make sure, because I invested quite heavily in website and branding, copywriting, all those big that are into the thousands of pounds region. I wanted to make sure that they were bought and paid for so that I didn't want to start. And then to have to do a bit of patchwork, I wanted to start off in a fairly strong position that I had on. I see all my cameras.

(12:38):

I don't think anybody will ever have all their cameras. I think I bought about 5 cents, but I wanted to make sure that I had enough to keep the business going so that whether that was computers, as we know, Macs are not cheap cameras, all that kind of stuff. So I wanted to make sure that that was all sorted first. So I did that and I kind of got to the point where I'd kind of bought everything and I was kind of struggling for other things to buy because I felt like I was a little bit buying time, especially because I had this awesome team. My boss at the time was a friend who coincidentally in the previous job I'd hired him in and it was just a really, really nice working environment, as I said, great company and I really don't think I wanted to leave. I didn't want to leave. And then when I was faced with, I was almost using all this stuff as a bit of a, putting it off, putting it off. And then I also kind of at the same time to really force my hand into, you have no option but to leave, which was I just kept booking jobs.

Speaker 3 (13:59):

So

Danny (14:00):

I kept on taking midweek jobs. I kept on taking X amount of Saturday Sundays, one after the other and I was like, if you don't leave, you are not getting a day off for close to about a month and a half or whatever. So that was that point. And I left my work in, it was January 23. December what?

Jason (14:31):

January 23, wasn't

Danny (14:33):

It? No, well, it was December 22. I left. Let's get the facts right, Jason. Sorry, still a bit raw, but yeah, so I left, I think it was just before Christmas in December, 2022. And I had made sure that I had a very full calendar for that year before doing it just because Kirsty, my wife, we at that point had Frankie our eldest. He was born in 2020 just during the pandemic and had who was born in the June, 2022. So I had a six month old and a two and a half year old and a mortgage that I had to make sure was paid for.

Jason (15:23):

Yeah, you had way more to worry about than I did, but I think I stressed way more. I stressed. Yeah, I bet you did. Yeah, because I quit too early in my opinion. All the things that you said, I had thought about all the big purchases. I got the website out of the way. I got the branding that was a massive purchase and I thought that's probably going to be the biggest one I do. I probably did spend more, no, I did spend more on my cameras when I did upgrade, but I was still using the same equipment when I quit that I was using when I first started.

(15:55):

So I hadn't actually invested, but the problem was that I got to June and I had 11 weddings in June. So I knew that it was going to be difficult, especially with the fact that I edited everything at that point as well. So that for me was just going to be suicide if I did the job and this as well. So as soon as I knew the income had overtaken what I was earning, so I figured, okay, granted my earnings haled because I was getting my salary and I was also getting my wedding money. So that was quite hefty. But you taking away half of that

Danny (16:32):

Monopoly wedding

Jason (16:33):

Money? Yeah, that monopoly, it was the same for four years or three or four years. I'd basically just been spending everything that I earned on branding websites, just anything like education. I spent so much money just like it was fun. And as soon as that stopped and I didn't get paid in the 24th of June for the first 24th

Danny (16:56):

Of a month. Oh, I remember that in 10 years was so scary.

Jason (16:59):

It was, yeah, really bizarre. And I felt kind of isolated and really alone and I really worried that month and I'm not an anxious person, but I was just sweating for no reason that month.

(17:12):

And I don't think it really settled down until about August when I had all the July and August when I come in and I was like, okay, that's two months in. I'm doing fine here. And then winter came, God damn you, John Snow winter. Oh man, winter is coming. And yeah, obviously that was the first year and I've got ways to, with a bit of experience, I've now figured that out. I would love to have learned, I'd love to have known then what I know now about planning for that, I think more important is knowing that you're going to have a decent cashflow when you quit so that you've got actual deposits coming in or people are paying at certain times, which means that every month you've got money coming in. That would've been good to know before I quit because I, I was just in a position when I was working full-time that I could be doing something else. I was working for a job and I could be doing something else. That's why I wanted to leave. It wasn't that I didn't hate the job, I just felt like I'd be doing something way more productive for

Danny (18:14):

Myself,

Jason (18:15):

Which is why I had to leave at the time. But the things I wish I knew

Danny (18:20):

This is it. Because also, which I mean you had way longer than I did on the monopoly wedding money. I actually don't think if I had that monopoly wedding money, I, we've just called it that, but for four years, oh my god, I would've struggled because it is such a shift, I think. And I have again talked openly about can the mistakes that we had about just spending too much and not really thinking about it and just thinking, oh, it'll be fine. And you do need to make sure that you have enough in there, especially for those winter months when there is not a lot coming in, especially when it hits December, you might get a couple of bites, but majority of people are not looking for a wedding videographer at that point. They're worrying about Christmas.

Jason (19:12):

I should actually say though, the four years, it wasn't four years of strength that went over. So I actually was about to quit in 2020.

Speaker 3 (19:22):

Oh really?

Jason (19:23):

Yeah, because well, this is what happened.

Danny (19:27):

That was a good escape.

Jason (19:28):

It really was. It was quite lucky when it happened because my plan was solid. It was going to be June in 2020 because that year I had 60 weddings because I was

Danny (19:40):

Did you have 60 weddings in 2020?

Jason (19:41):

Yeah.

Danny (19:42):

Well

Jason (19:42):

Yeah. Scheduled in 2019 I had booked 60 weddings for 2020.

Danny (19:46):

How many of those cancelled? About

Jason (19:49):

55?

Danny (19:50):

No, but I mean as in completely didn't reschedule to a different date,

Jason (19:55):

50 maybe.

Danny (19:56):

Really? Something like

Jason (19:57):

That. Yeah. I returned 50 deposits that were not a hundred deposit. I was charging 800 qui a wedding, which was ridiculous considering how much I gave at the time. But that was the problem when you start is you get addicted to booking and you don't raise your price. You're like, yeah, I'm just booking so much this's. Great

Danny (20:13):

Thought. That's a whole other podcast.

Jason (20:15):

A whole other podcast. So Covid actually saved me from going down a really bad path because I wasn't having monopoly money. I was only maybe earning maybe 10 grand a year or something like that.

Danny (20:26):

Okay, cool. But

Jason (20:28):

I really started in 2021, so it was really only two and a half years of that monopoly, but the same as you. But the Covid, I had to return all the deposits and so I went basically back down to zero, which is good because I didn't have everything in place

Danny (20:44):

To

Jason (20:44):

Quit in June. I didn't have the backup to plan for a pandemic and stuff.

Danny (20:48):

What's a Dodge? That was,

Jason (20:50):

It was a big dodge. Big dodge. But yeah, so I think

(20:54):

Everyone's story will be different about when they want to quit, but having, I think people just get excited about having all this free time, but it is important that if you are going to make investments, if you need to make investments in your business, try and do that with the money that you're getting from your other job. Use the money that you're making from your business to build it before and just if you're lucky enough to have a job that you can tolerate and you can handle this, there is ways that you can get help with your weddings. You can outsource editing to help with that. So you don't actually need to spend all this time in your business.

Danny (21:26):

You can just essentially be there on the day invest. You will still need to invest some time into the quality control and making sure that that's actually on brand, how the edit goes, quality control it to make sure that the edit actually matches the couple and the vibe in the day. But yeah, you

Jason (21:44):

Can

Danny (21:44):

Cut a water time out

Jason (21:46):

For sure. So getting those big purchases the way like your website, your branding, your equipment that you need to use, once you've got all that done, you should be good to go. But also make sure that you've got a decent cashflow when your clients are paying you deposits or when they're paying balances, make sure that you've got money coming in every single month. You can use CRMs to handle that, which we spoke about before. And once you've got those kinds of things in place, then I think you are in a smart enough position to move on. It doesn't necessarily matter if you're making as much money because you could be happier doing this job if you are not spending time working for someone else. It's incredibly satisfying working for yourself, but there's just so many factors that make it easier and much less stressful if you know about it.

Danny (22:30):

Yeah, a hundred percent. And you said earlier about that you feel like you'll have all this free time and obviously as you know, you do have more free time because you feel like you have more free time, maybe sometimes because you're not assigned to a schedule, you're not answering to a boss or whatever, but you're still pretty busy. And it's also then with the busyness of editing and everything else does come with some stress and you definitely don't want to add in money worries onto that stress, then it just compounds. So you want to make sure that when you're at that point, when you are given back the lanyard hand back, the uniform that you are in a very, you're in a secure position going forward and everything that goes along with it so that you're not up she creek

Jason (23:29):

And just to go in deeper in that money thing, it's not a case of matching the income because obviously if you've got a certain amount of bills and stuff you need to cover. Matching the income is going to be important, but that cashflow is just something that

Danny (23:43):

Cashflow is so important because once the cashflow stops, that is when serious stress kicks in.

Jason (23:50):

For example, in winter this month, I didn't do a wedding between November and March and I didn't take any money in since October and I wasn't due money again until February. That's a long time to go without money coming in four months, four months.

Danny (24:07):

That's like just shy of half a year,

Jason (24:08):

Especially over Christmas and a wedding coming up as well. So it was stop it, bad planning. I kind of thought, you know what, four months I'm going to trip myself four months, four months

Danny (24:16):

Off a wedding.

Jason (24:17):

That's what this to The Bahamas all about. Just getting time off. Oh yeah, I went to a couple of holidays in that time too. Yeah, I deserved every bit stress that

Danny (24:24):

I had more holidays than I had hot dinners in those four months.

Jason (24:28):

I know

Danny (24:29):

You just going to the opening and import.

Jason (24:31):

Yeah, yeah, it was my bad. But obviously take all that summer money and thinking, yeah, that's going to last me. It's hibernation money. It doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. There's always unexpected things that come up. So

Danny (24:43):

That goes back to when we were talking there about investing in the company and stuff like that, is that you want to just really make sure that when you're investing in stuff, for instance, that is really going to make a difference in the business. And a lot of those purchases are going to be really high value purchases, for instance, like website and copy and stuff like that. And it's stuff that you just don't want to cheap out on. So if you've not sorted out all that stuff and you do it post leaving, there's the potential there that it won't be as good as it should be. And if you're going to survive and ultimately what is a very competitive market and is getting even more competitive by the year, you kind of want to make sure that you are again in a position of strength and you're standing out from the crowd. And that is kind of how you do that. It's branding, copy website and obviously we've talked about branding before. We will talk about the other subjects in due course, but

Jason (25:54):

I mean, are you prepared once you've quit your full-time job to spend a thousand pounds of memory cards?

Danny (25:59):

No. It's something that you detest. You detest paying it

Jason (26:05):

Though. It's the worst Amazon, it's so boring when they deliver it. It's just like four little boxes.

Danny (26:10):

I've already got 19 of these. Thank

Jason (26:12):

You.

Danny (26:12):

Yeah,

Jason (26:13):

This isn't, it's just not a sexy purchase. It's not a sexy purchase whatsoever. No. Neither is a big fat 20 terabyte hard drive. That's the same as my four other 20 terabyte hard drives.

Danny (26:23):

I hate the hard drives and that as well though. You need to buy two, you just, it's buy two at times. So then it's double the money. So it's like, oh, 1600 pound on.

Jason (26:33):

And an old dream about these sexy NAS drives that I don't know how to work.

Danny (26:39):

Na

Jason (26:39):

Na, very na, very na. Just to round it up, someone is on the fence, they've got a full-time job, they've been doing this for a while, they think they might be ready. Why should they go over the line? What's your advice?

Danny (26:56):

You should know, right? Being sensible about it, you should know. But however, we do live in this. You're living on dopamine and adrenaline and stuff like that and it can be quite hard to see the wood from the tree sometimes. I think if you've got a partner, you need to have a proper sit down and conversation and go, does this make sense? Especially if you've got kids or a mortgage or anything like that. And when you're leaving a Ty job, you should know, but you can be a bit blinded by it, so you need to speak to someone else. So if you don't have a partner, speak to one of your friends that's maybe good with money or is good with money and gold. Does this make sense? I have got 30 weddings booked for next year. I'm going to be making 28 30 grand or whatever. Taking into account my business expenses really, because that's another thing as well that you also need to remember, it does actually cost money to run a business on the monthly. So your vid flow, your CRMs, your memory cards, you need to work all that into your ongoing costs. So whilst 30 grand sounds great, but you also then have tax to pay

(28:14):

If you go limited, which I probably wouldn't recommend doing it 30 grand a year. And again, that's another topic of discussion, but you still need to factor in tax, you need to factor in just general costs of running the business and all the other stuff that goes along. And also backup money as well because if your cameras, imagine you've only got two cameras and both your cameras, I dunno, both of them get knocked over win, God forbid, touch. Who would you need to have money to be able to buy a new camera? Unless, because as well, it's also quite hard to get credit when you've just

Jason (28:54):

Became, oh my god, going from getting unlimited credit to your credit is the worst

Danny (28:59):

Actually. Great point. I am about to go through this just now. If you really need to buy a house within the next, I don't know, two, three years of going full time, I would maybe hold off a little bit longer.

Jason (29:14):

Buy the house first.

Danny (29:15):

Buy the house first. This

Jason (29:16):

Is not financial advice.

Danny (29:17):

It's not,

Jason (29:18):

But buy the house first.

Danny (29:19):

No, buy the house first. It's definitely not financial advice, but yeah, because you need, I think it's a minimum of three years accounts. I think you can get away with it at two, but the rates are higher and as we know at the minute, the rates are already sky high, so you don't need to be adding to that. No,

Jason (29:37):

Don't look at your turnover and base that as if your is the same as your

Danny (29:41):

Salary. You're not getting the same money.

Jason (29:45):

No, that turnover just doesn't exist. When you do five wins a month and it's like a five figure month and they're going, oh my god, I'm making 10,000 pounds a month. You're not making 10,000 pounds. There's so much cost that comes into that and that's got to be split up over the other months. It just doesn't work like that. I think obviously plan ahead. If don't quit your job, if you're expecting to build, this isn't something that you have to be patient with this industry because you're booking so far in advance that money isn't going to come to you for a long time. You could do a lot of stuff to kind of get these beacons, but this industry is all but building momentum. And if you've built the momentum whilst you're already in a secure job, then you will the benefits of it afterwards.

Danny (30:33):

You're giving yourself a headstart, really

Jason (30:34):

Giving yourself a headstart, basically. Give yourself a foundation to Well, I

Danny (30:39):

Like that.

Jason (30:40):

Yeah, give yourself a foundation to basically support

Danny (30:43):

From financial advice to building houses.

Jason (30:46):

My foundation was fragmented when I quit and wasn't quite there. I could have done with another six months, maybe another year, to be honest. If I had another year, I'd be in fucking dreamland. Absolute dreamland.

Danny (30:58):

Do you think?

Jason (30:58):

Yeah, I think if I'd given myself another year, I'd be in a completely different position. I would've had all my equipment, I would've had some savings. I would've at least had that six month to nine month K of just money just sitting there, which I would love to have and I'd love to get there. I just,

Danny (31:20):

However, to look on the positive side of things. If you had done that, then who knows, we might not have started this podcast.

Jason (31:29):

Well, this is it. Everything happens for a reason. And when you do dive off the cliff, you have to swim,

Danny (31:36):

You need to own it. You need to just to

Jason (31:38):

Swim,

Danny (31:39):

Need to do it.

Jason (31:39):

And every single time I've been in a situation where, okay, things are a little bit not right. I've managed to get out of it.

Danny (31:46):

You figured it out.

Jason (31:47):

You figured it out.

Danny (31:48):

You have to

Jason (31:48):

Because you have to, which is why when you're not secure, there's that benefit of you just have to kind of scrap to get your way through it. We're not really in a position here to be scrapping. We want people to thrive. And that's why I think I just got given advice to say, yeah, you're ready. You've got 25 weddings, you're going to be ready. And I don't know if the advice that I was given was properly sound or they heard everything. I just think it's a massive decision. Everyone's going to be different. But if you are ready, you've got everything in place. And it's not to say that if you don't have everything in place, you will definitely drown. But if you've got five weddings booked and you're getting excited, don't quit your job. No, no. You will get there. Just be patient. Keep building that momentum. Keep doing second shoots, keep doing work for photographers, maybe behind the scenes sort of stuff. Keep doing stuff like that and you will get the opportunity to do this full time.

Danny (32:48):

A hundred percent. A hundred percent.

Jason (32:50):

Yeah. Great. Does that round that up?

Danny (32:53):

I think

Jason (32:54):

So.

Danny (32:54):

Okay. Have we

Jason (32:55):

Got a bunch of people quitting their jobs,

Danny (32:57):

Entering the industry? I mean, watch this. It'll be an avalanche. I think every story is different. We starting a new inflation crisis.

Jason (33:06):

But it'd be really good to know from you what your story is. If you are working full-time for someone just and you are looking to leave your job to do this full-time, we'd be really interested in hearing your thoughts. You can DM us on Instagram, send a voice note and we'll add up for discussion on one of the future podcasts. But it's always good to hear whatever your thoughts are.

Danny (33:27):

Thanks very much for joining with it. We're going to have to edit this bit.

Jason (33:31):

We're not editing it. Thank you very much for joining us. I'm taking over now. Thank you very much for joining us on this week's podcast of that Wedding Video podcast. I'll see you. I have been fired next week for some other topic. Wait, wait, you got wedding this weekend?

Danny (33:48):

I've got two. Of course you do.