Mindset Mastery with Guest Gavin McHale and Host Stephen Simpson - Ep.4

On this episode Stephen welcomes Gavin McHale ; Gavin is a Business Coach, Mindset Master, and a Director with Craig Ballantyne's organization, Early to Rise. Gavin helps people all over the world grow their businesses/careers and improve their lives through personal development and improving their mindset for optimal results. 

The discussion included topics surrounding how Gavin got into the business coaching industry, goal setting, mastering your mindset, and ways to make rapid improvements to make this a great year, no matter what your objectives are.

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Hi guys, Stephen Simpson here. On this episode of the podcast, I interview Gavin McHale. Gavin is a business coach and a personal development specialist with Craig Ballantyne's organization. Gavin is also a real estate investor and has run multiple businesses while helping other entrepreneurs do some big things in their own right. We talk about his background and getting into business coaching. Mindset, gold setting, and a bunch of tips for those who want to make this a great year coming up. And to find out more about what we are doing at Focus Capital and sign up for a newsletter, I encourage everyone to visit focuscapital. ca and with that, I hope you enjoy the show.

Stephen 0:51

So Gavin, welcome to the show.

Gavin 0:53

Thank you. Yes. Very excited to be chatting with a fellow Canadian. This is the stuff that gets me fired up. Some, some real estate investing talk and tying it into the mindset.

Stephen 1:04

There you go. There you go. And it's I think we're both, we've both been experiencing some very wintry Canadian weather the past few weeks.

Gavin 1:12

Yeah,

Stephen 1:13

you're, you're probably a little bit more used to it than I am out in Winnipeg, but we're definitely getting some of that here. So

Gavin 1:18

with Winnipeg is if you can get a good set of long Johns and a good jacket, you'll be okay.

Stephen 1:23

yeah, yeah. My in laws actually, I don't know if I told you this, but my in laws actually used to live in Winnipeg. So I, I visited there a few times and I, yeah, unfortunately they were both in the winter, the both times I visited. So there you go.

Gavin 1:36

too bad.

Stephen 1:37

Yeah. So welcome again. Yeah, I'm looking forward to the conversation. You know, you're someone I've worked with in the past. You're someone I respect a lot. And you know, I think it's probably appropriate for us to talk now. It's a new year. It's a start of 2024. There's lots going on. You know, the market's changing both for business, both real estate You know, we've got a sort of a fresh start here, but there's lots of things to give people, you know, hope, but also a little bit of anxiety with, with, you know, what's happened in the past few years with the pandemic and trying to come out of that. But I'm optimistic for this year. So I think it's you know, I think it's appropriate that we're talking and I'm, I'm really looking forward to the conversation today. Yeah, so where I thought we'd start is just talking a little bit more about how you got into the personal development space and obviously into coaching after that. And I know you're an athlete and you know, you came up through the competitive sports ranks in hockey. And I'd really like to kind of, you know, understand a bit more about that backstory and, and, you know, what led you to get into personal development, because, you know, there's, there's a community of us out there who are into personal development. We're looking to kind of move the needle a little bit. We're, we're looking to kind of get a little bit of an edge and just kind of move forward and, and using tools and techniques out there to you know, like I said, to get better and to become the best versions of ourselves really at the end of the day. So. Really would be interested to hear about your backstory and how you kind of got into the personal development space.

Gavin 3:07

Yeah. I mean, this whole thing starts with kind of where I was at the opposite end of the spectrum. I'm totally unaware, totally unconscious, a teenage kid who was basically one step away from. Being able to play pro hockey. I was playing in the Western Hockey League. I was talking to NHL teams and I like to say I, I orchestrated a complete meltdown over the course of, of one hockey season that, that really culminated on New Year's Eve. In a game, I was playing for the Seattle Thunderbirds against the Portland Winterhawks and, and getting my face punched in. I was a goalie and I got in a fight, got my face punched in not a place where you want to be. And unfortunately, you know, that didn't even set me straight. I needed a lot of other, a lot of other moments to, to end up setting me straight. But I think that that is a good it's a good kind of leader into this story because A lot of people that see personal development coaches and mindset coaches and, and things like that, they go, well, that's not me. You know, they just are good at that. And it's like, if I, if I can shift my stories and my mindset from the place where I was basically, you know, You know, melting down on the world's biggest stage while the biggest sporting stage. If I can, if I can shift that and come to a place where now I get to go on podcasts like this and talk about mindset and talk about personal development, then anyone can change their story and anyone can make a shift. And so, you know, I got to kind of continue this story. From there, I, I went to university when, when hockey didn't work out and did the next thing that I was really good at, which is be good at school. And, and I was really good at kind of like talking to people and being in that kind of locker room environment. So I went into, into personal training. I got my degree in kinesiology, went into personal training and really learned the ins and outs of, of what coaching really was. Right. When you're working with, with real life, people, not athletes, real life, people with real lives and, and families and, and all the stuff going on in their heads. And you know, through that, I learned a lot of things. And I think I got to a point where I was like, I don't think I can teach another person to squat or deadlift. I think there's a bigger picture here, not that there's anything wrong with that, but I knew that there was a bigger picture that I wanted to help people with their mindset and, and, and help people develop. In my own journey of trying to develop my business, I was learning all these things and realizing, Hmm, this is really important. Luckily just before COVID hit, I, I left the personal training world and moved to shifted my business to working with other fitness business owners, helping them grow their business. Like I had been able to, and that's when I really, you know, Leaned into the mindset stuff because that's what I needed, you know, in trying to grow my personal training business, the same patterns that came up in hockey were coming up where I was, you know, I couldn't deal with failure. So when it happened in hockey, I blamed everybody else. And when I noticed. That it could be happening in business and in life. I stayed away from it and blamed everybody else and said, Oh, it's this, this, this, and this it's not me and business coaching and building my own business forced me to look in the mirror and say, You're the only one who can change this. And you're the only one you're the problem and you're the solution, right? And, and this is what I realized with a lot of people. If, if you're feeling stuck in your business, if you're feeling stuck, yes, there's a lot of things going on in the world right now that aren't ideal for making a lot of money. But the first place you need to look is in the mirror and then even like you need to look inward into what are the stories that are not serving you? Because when I started to dig into these and when I started to shift my stories and what was happening in my head, everything, all the tools and tactics and strategies that I had learned started working all of a sudden. It was like, Oh, it was never about, you know, of course we need to know if we're investing, we need to know how to invest and how to not make a fool of ourselves and things like that. But it was never about that. It was really about what's going on between the ears. And that's what that's one of my favorite things to talk about and to coach people on now, because. Everybody's got their stories and everybody's got their stuff that's not serving them. And so I love working with folks like you and people who are just like me with that, that mentality of wanting to win, but not knowing where to go next.

Stephen 7:51

Right, right. I think back to some of the, you know, we'll call them leaders in the personal development space, like Tony Robbins, and he talks about, you know, people either, make a change from inspiration or desperation, right? They, they, they have these kind of like moments where they're just backs up against the wall or they hit rock bottom or something and they, they're so frustrated and they're going to make a change and that's a desperation. Or it's inspiration. They, they see somebody make a speech or they see somebody have success or they, they look to one of their mentors and they're, they're inspired by that. And so it sounds like in your situation, it was, it was a bit of desperation there that you wanted to have in frustration that you wanted to make that change and that, that kind of pushed you into this.

Gavin 8:36

Yeah. And so it's interesting. I love that quote, but I truly do believe that for most people we're so bloody stubborn, right? That we almost need the desperation. And actually, you know, Alex Hermosian, a lot of people these days will talk about how some of those, like not so good feelings are actually really good To spark action because you're kind of forced to take action, right? Inspiration is great, but I've left a lot of, of keynote speeches where I'm like, that was so inspiring. And then I didn't really do anything with it. Whereas if we, if we have that desperation, it's like, that's what, that's what, you know, makes you spend thousands or tens of thousands of dollars. And that's what makes you take the action to the scary action that hurts sometimes to make a change. So it's, I think it's a matter of. Of actually figuring out, okay, if desperation was a start, when do I flip the switch over to inspiration and into my purpose and something bigger? Because desperation, you know, that type of driver will only take us so far. But I feel like we all have a little bit of that and it's like. You could also create desperation, right? I was forced into desperation, but something that Craig's talked about recently, our mutual friend of ours, Craig Valentine has talked about, you know, who are you comparing yourself to, right? If I'm comparing myself to my buddies from high school who are, Not doing a whole lot of anything. I don't have any desperation, but if I'm comparing myself to our clients in early to rise who are making millions and just literally changing the world, I'm like, man, I gotta, I gotta get moving here. Right. And that creates that desperation and inspiration, which I think is, is a great way to, to kickstart your journey.

Stephen 10:27

Yeah, for sure. And, and the desperate pain is, is a much better motivator in the end, right? Like that thing, again, if you're desperate and you're frustrated and you're just sick and tired, I mean, you're, you're experiencing a lot of pain, you will, you will get moving just out of necessity, you have to.

Gavin 10:42

yeah.

Stephen 10:44

yeah. I wanted to ask you, so building on that, I wanted to ask you about building self confidence. And I think you touched upon that in, in what you were just saying. But. You know, in order to maybe not make that initial change, but to keep that change going and to keep progress you know, moving forward, we really need to build our self confidence and, and keep that high so that we can, you know, You know, I guess use those tools of, of inspiration and desperation and just, but keep it moving forward. So it's a little bit more sustainable. Right. So I'd like to ask you about that. How, what's that sort of link that you see between, you know, that self confidence that someone has and maybe how do you build that to, to kind of keep that, that forward momentum going.

Gavin 11:31

yeah. One of, one of my favorite stories to tell people is when I was playing hockey, how the coaches would call me in. Right. When I was playing junior hockey, I was struggling, you know, having tough games or whatever, we'd lost a few games and they'd call me in and they'd go Gav, you know, and this is 2005. Right. So the whole mindset thing wasn't really a thing yet. Right. But they'd call me and they'd go, Gav, you got to play with more confidence. Agreed. Yep. And then they're like, okay, go, go be confident. I'm like, How? like, what,

Stephen 12:07

Yeah.

Gavin 12:07

can I buy that? Can I like, you know, where do I, where do I get this confidence?

Stephen 12:12

that, did I get into the 7 Eleven and get some confidence? Like where do I get that from? Yeah.

Gavin 12:17

any tips and they're just like, Oh, just be confident. Right. And, and, and so I've spent a lot of time and energy thinking about. How do we actually build this thing

Stephen 12:29

Yep.

Gavin 12:29

is really an elusive concept for a lot of people, and especially when you lose it, right? And I know a lot of people who are investors or who are trying to build a business, you know, it's been tough sledding. Have you maybe lost your confidence in yourself, right? It's one thing to be confident when everything's going well and we're just crushing and everything's landing, right? All our sales pitches are landing. Every deal is closing. Oh yeah. I'm super confident.

Stephen 12:58

Well, and, and we saw it, especially in the real estate space, you know, in, in between 2021 and 2022, like you could do no wrong. I mean, you know, so investors got a lot, you know, very full of themselves and, and that confidence was, yeah, you couldn't, right. So that was kind of like this, this fluffy self confidence, but it wasn't really that they were doing anything wrong or doing anything right. So,

Gavin 13:19

Right. And you know, if you had a heartbeat and a credit score, you were, you were good. And, and now is when we need to go, okay, well, how do I build confidence? And I believe that confidence comes from evidence. And so what does that mean? Evidence is literally just finding proof that you are who you say you are. Simply is, is, is actively looking for proof that you are who you say you are. It's not from meditating. It's not from, from, you know as Alex Hormozy says, screaming affirmations in the mirror. No, it's from finding proof. So what we need to do, I say to a lot of people too, like. You already have the evidence, it's already there, you're just not looking for it. And so one of the biggest concepts that I talk about a lot is, is the part of your brain called the reticular activating system. Anybody who maybe doesn't know exactly what this means, maybe he's heard of it or haven't heard of it. This is the thing when, when you're looking for a new car. You see that car everywhere on the road, or when you're looking at buying an investment property, you see for sale signs everywhere. It's the part of your brain that tells your conscious brain what to focus on, because there's so much going on. So the thing with the reticular activating system though, is it's, it's more of a soldier. So it doesn't actually like create its own ideas. It just like goes, Oh, okay. Well, that's what you want me to do. I'll do it. So if you have. It will, it will confirm the beliefs that you already have of yourself, right? So if you feel you're no confident, not confident, if you feel you're no good at investing, or if you feel you're, you're not successful or money's hard to make, or any of these beliefs that you have running through your head about yourself and how you fit into the world, your reticular activating system will go, okay, great. Well, I'm going to look for evidence of those things so that we can reinforce this belief. So what we need to do is. We need to recognize that there's already evidence that we can be confident. We just probably haven't been looking for it. Right. So we need to make that shift and look for evidence that we are who we say we are, that we are moving in the right direction, that we are, you know, that are these beliefs that are serving us are true. And. How we do that is by taking intentional and inspired action and by actively looking for those wins. One of the things, first things I have a lot of my clients do if they're not feeling very confident is what I call a brag book. Write down one place where you won today, where you did well today. A lot of them have a lot harder time than you think. Just writing one thing, right? Or one thing that aligns with your beliefs that, That, you know, are serving you, right? One positive thing. Cause we just, we're so quick to look for the negatives and look for the quote unquote places we can improve that we forget to look for the places where we're already doing well. And if we can, if we can start to build up that stack of proof and evidence, that's when we can start to build confidence in ourselves that, Hey, I can do this, I am doing this. Does that make sense?

Stephen 16:34

Yep. Yep. Yeah. So it's, it's because it's very factual, like you're, you're presenting yourself evidence. And I find with a lot of personal development it's, it's really just getting back to basics, right? Like, I mean, it's, it's, it's taking, as you said, what's already there and saying, yeah, look at that thing I did last week or last year or last month or whatever it was You know, that was pretty important. That was a pretty great thing that I did. And no matter how small it is, but building upon those successes. So yeah, I like, I like that concept of the brag book. And you know, I did that exercise a couple years ago actually. And it was like right down, 25 or 50 things or whatever it was. And I go back to that from time to time. And it's like, yeah, you know, it's, it's, it's nice to be able to do it. Cause you forget some of the stuff you've done, you know, and some of the wins and successes. So it's, I think that's a, that's a great idea. So, so yeah, so evidence for self confidence You know, talking about inspiration, desperation, you know, and pushing yourself forward. Getting back to sort of the, you know, the, the sports or the athletic side. You had mentioned something to me before about this athlete or high performer mindset, right? And I wanted to ask you a bit about that and just sort of, you know, what that concept is, why or may, why or why not it might be serving you, or maybe, you know, how people should just sort of think about that and sort of take that forward.

Gavin 18:03

Yeah. I think this is really well illustrated with a, with a story. I was a friend of mine was in town for Christmas. This was even last year. So I've had a lot of time to think on it now. And he's a former high level basketball player. He's now CEO of a startup and actually in Toronto. And he was talking about, cause he knows what I do or we're very close friends. And he was talking about how he had gone for his, he had started counseling. Cause he was just feeling a lot of anxiety and stress with his job. I mean, he's got very like fast paced company tech tech medical space. It's moving fast startup. It's like constantly no money. Right. And then living in downtown Toronto, which is just anxiety city in itself. So. He had said he had started counseling and I said, well, what's the biggest takeaway that you've taken from counseling? And he had maybe gone three or four times and he said, my athlete mentality is killing me. And I was like, Oh yes, here we go. And, and so we had a really good chat about it and we dug in on this athlete or I even call it high performer mentality. Cause there's a lot of people who maybe. Aren't athletes anymore, or maybe even haven't been athletes, but there are these high performers who, who, for lack of a better way of explaining it, want to win, right? We want to win at whatever we do. I know you have this, I have this, a lot of the people I talk to have this. That's why we invest in these courses and coaching and all this stuff. Why we listen to these podcasts because we want to win and that's great, but. If you've ever heard of Simon Sinek he wrote a book I think it was actually called the infinite game and he talks about the difference between finite games and infinite games and finite games are baseball, basketball, hockey, chess. These are games where there is a clear opponent. The game is played with rules, specific rules, and there's a specific end point and it's played to be finished. Right. The game of basketball is played to be finished. There is a winner and a loser, right? That's a finite game. Now, what we often do because our brains need something to measure especially if we're brought up in this, like, in this high develop or high performing world, and even Even if you're not an athlete, our school system brings this out in us, right? What's your grade? How high did you get on your grade? It's something to measure. It's this like external validation that someone else has said, based on this set of rules that I'm good enough. Right. That's what sports is. And that's what school is. And it's great. And it teaches us tons of lessons until we try and apply the same rules to what Simon Sinek calls an infinite game. So career, business, life, marriage, fitness, all the big things. Those are infinite games. And what he means is there's no set opponents. There's really no set rules and the game is played to continue playing. Right? You win at marriage by staying married. You win at fitness by staying alive and staying fit, right? You win at business by staying in business and constantly just growing, but it's, These are things that are hard to, like, there's no scoreboard, Right. So, so we come out of our, we come out of our athlete world where all that matters is the scoreboard and winning and stats. And we come into real life where there's no scoreboard, right? We have to find other ways to measure success. And this comes back to the confidence thing, which is if you're looking for evidence and wins, how can we find ways to measure success? Right. I think that's so important. And so what my friend needed to deal with and what I've helped a lot of people with since learning this and kind of like applying it to my own life and my coaching is we need to clearly define success for what we want, like values and vision, right? And then we need to look for tangible markers that tell us we're on the right path. That's how we can measure that success and how we can use that. But if we're trying to win. Right. And we're trying to just like get external validation for everything. Well, then you're constantly just going to be chasing what I fell into in my business life, which is more and more never becomes anything other than more. The goalposts just keep moving, right? I need more investment properties. I need to make more money. I need that. And you just like keep chasing this. For literally no reason other than external validation and satisfying your ego. And that's, you know, that's what leads to hospitalizations and divorces and all that stuff. Even though you have all this money and you have all this quote unquote success, right? So it's, it can be a real slippery slope.

Stephen 23:07

So when, as you were saying that, the thing that was sticking out in my mind was just getting back to talking about goals because, you know, goals in the context of personal development would go kind of hand in hand. But one of the things that, you know, I was reading about a few years back was about process goals versus product goals. So. Product goals in your example of an infinite game, obviously aren't going to work, right? It's like, you know, product gold is I'm going to make a million dollars or I'm going to score 10 goals or I'm going to, you know, it's, it's a

Gavin 23:42

Or I'm going to lose 50 pounds.

Stephen 23:44

Well, exactly. Yeah. It can go both ways. Right. But those things, especially when you're dealing with other people, when it's a relationship involved, or when you're dealing with the free market. It's, it's hard to kind of pin those things down from sometimes, like if you're playing a hockey game or soccer game or something, and you've got 60 minutes or 90 minutes or whatever, you know, at the end of that, it's a finite thing, but when you're going out into the free market or having, you know, a relationship, you know, whether it's your spouse or, you know, whether it's a business partnership or something, these are things that are just going to grow and evolve. Right. And so So getting back to the concept of of building confidence, you know, one of the things I was reading about was, and I try to practice is focusing more on the process goals, right? So what did I do today to contribute to moving this particular thing forward versus worrying about, Oh, I haven't got. A thousand clients yet or I haven't You know, made that million dollars or whatever. It's did I make 20 calls today? Did I? you know, Take my wife on a date, you know once or twice this week. Did I did I spend? You know An hour with my kids, you know after dinner tonight or something, you know what I mean? So it is a way to kind of help you to get a bit of that You finite quality in the process versus, you know, leaving it completely, you know, I don't know if that makes sense, but that's, as you were saying it, that's kind of what I was thinking.

Gavin 25:16

Yeah. You, you know, the, the kind of overarching question there, or theme is how do we set goals?

Stephen 25:23

Yeah.

Gavin 25:24

Okay. If you're talking about this, how do we set goals and not just float through life, this infinite game, right? Well, I like one of the things we've figured out with, with Craig's business and with our clients is we like to use those outcome goals, or as you called them product goals. What I feel those do, let's say I want to make a million dollars, okay, this year. Okay. That's an outcome goal. Now, even if I do everything right. Okay. I can make 999, 000 and not hit that goal.

Stephen 25:55

Right.

Gavin 25:57

I would probably be okay because I did everything right. And so what we do is we use the outcome goal of the million dollars. That's not within our control to set the intensity of the action steps, which is the process goals. So if you want to make a million dollars this year, you're going to have some pretty good chances. Process goals. Like, you know, you're going to have to be pretty intense action steps, but if you want to make a hundred million this year, it's gonna be very different. And there's this great quote where your goals are not unique. Right. And the difference between the people who hit their goals and the people who don't is not the goals they set, right? Because so many people set the goal to make a million dollars next year and don't do it. The difference is in the actions that they take.

Stephen 26:46

Right.

Gavin 26:47

And so what we need to do is we set the goal to set the intensity of the action steps, and then we actually measure our success by whether or not we hit those action steps. And if we set the right action steps, preferably action steps that would make it unreasonable to fail, and we hit those, then we'll succeed by default because we're just doing the right things, which is really what matters. As you just said, it's, that's what actually matters is doing the right things. Day in, day out.

Stephen 27:21

and, and, you know, another thing that just sort of popped in my mind is if we're doing those right things, then we're actually, being or living the thing that we want to achieve. Right. So,

Gavin 27:37

all timelines are arbitrary. All goals are arbitrary, regardless of if we hit it or not, we're doing the right things.

Stephen 27:45

yeah, yeah. So if, if you're trying to start a new business and you know, you have this big goal of, of making a million dollars with your brand new business, but instead of just focusing on that, focusing on doing the things and the processes that a successful entrepreneur would do day in and day out. then you are a, you are living that life. Right? And, and you will eventually get to those goals. But yeah, it's, it's, it's in the doing and in the being day in and day out.

Gavin 28:15

Yeah. And to bring it kind of full circle back to someone like Tony Robbins, who would say, act as if,

Stephen 28:22

Yep.

Gavin 28:23

act as if you are that million dollar business owner. And if you act as if for long enough. You will receive the thing because you're taking the actions

Stephen 28:35

Yeah. And I'm not sure if it was Tony Robbins, but the, the quote I'm thinking of is, is be, do and have. Right. You just, you, you be That Is it James? Clear? Yeah.

Gavin 28:44

from atomic habits Yeah, if you become the person you will do the things and then you will have The results,

Stephen 28:54

Yeah.

Gavin 28:54

which is just a wonderful way of looking at it. And that's, that's, I think where, again, where we kind of went off track with the high performance and athletes mentality, right? We went off track in that it's about the outcome because in sports it was, and in school it was, but like, when you think back to like, say school. Even to sports. I remember playing hockey and our, you know, we'd lose a game and our coach would be like, yeah, we lost, but we played a really great game. Or We won, but we played like crap and we beat a lesser team. And they're like, yeah, I'm, I'm still not happy with that win. Right. That's process-based thinking, are you doing on a day-to-Day basis?

Stephen 29:39

Yeah. Okay. And so as we're wrapping up here I wanted to ask you sort of a final question about you know, advice for people on, you know, maybe again, so we're starting a new year, people are looking to make changes, people are looking to sort of make these habits stick. And, you know, maybe they've got some limiting beliefs in themselves. What advice could you sort of give for, for people who. are maybe just looking to take that next step and, and just sort of make a change in their life. And you know, maybe they've been frustrated with some of the things they've been doing in the past little while. And, and what are some simple things that they could sort of take forward to make this new year work?

Gavin 30:18

Yeah. I'll give like a, a brief rundown of how to kind of figure out what are the stories that aren't serving you, because I think a lot of us. We know something's not serving us, but it's really hard to find because it's in our subconscious mind. Right. And and I won't go too deep into that, but what I've found is the best way to figure out what your limiting beliefs are or your stories are is think about your like big scary goals that you have or the things that like you want to accomplish in your life but you haven't yet. And then think about your Yeah, but like your excuses like what's your yeah, but you know, yeah, I get it million dollars a year But that's your limiting belief, right? But I'm not good enough yet or but you know, I know, I, I, I don't have any money to invest, right? Well, those are stories that you're telling yourself, right? I'm not good enough yet. Well, how do you define good enough and good enough for what? And do you need to be good enough to succeed to do that thing? Or do you just have to do the things and then you will become good enough, right? So then. What this does is it allows us. So once you find that, you know, I call it excuse, that's kind of a harsh word for it, but really it's just like, what's the story you're telling yourself. That's not serving you. And then what we can do is most of us that are high performers would immediately get judgmental of ourselves, right? Oh, I can't believe it. You know,

Stephen 31:57

That never happens. What do you talk

Gavin 32:00

Yeah. Right. But. Judgment and curiosity live next door to each other. And you see the sign behind me that says, be curious, not judgmental. So can you turn your judgment of yourself into curiosity? And as I said earlier, like kind of start asking those questions of like, well, what do I mean? I'm not good enough. Like what is good enough mean? And dah, dah, dah. And then we start kind of like pulling on that thread and then we can start uncovering and becoming way more aware of what these stories are. And when we realize these stories and they become. You know, front and center in our face, we can go, well, that's kind of dumb. I think that way. And there's a whole bunch of other, there's like, you know, specific steps we could take, but I think the most important thing here is, is to bring that to the forefront and recognize that you can choose to tell a different story. And if you choose to tell a different story and look for evidence of that new story. Everything could change.

Stephen 32:59

for sure. Okay. Awesome. No, that's really good advice. So as we wrap up, Gavin, I wanted to just ask you like, where, where can people find out more about you, the work you do and, and you know, if there's any sort of things you want to highlight that that people

Gavin 33:12

Yeah. I want to, I want to leave people with two things. So if you want to like see regular content at Gavin McHale one on Instagram we're really putting an effort in on, on creating lots of content for people In terms of exactly what we've talked about, but I want to leave you and I'll send you the link, Steven, for we've created me and Craig created a money mindset, like visualization on YouTube. It's totally free. It's nine and a half minutes long, so it doesn't even take 10 minutes of your day and you can even listen to this while you're driving or while you're out for a walk or things like that. And it's all about shifting your mindset from scarcity to abundance. The people who have listened to it have had ridiculous results and have just really enjoy listening to it every day. And it's something, you know, you can listen to morning, night, whenever you want, Craig listens to it like five times a day and it just resets the way you think about money and the way you think about abundance in general. So maybe you can drop that in the show notes. Even if you want to right now, daily money attraction. com will redirect you to the YouTube video and it's totally free.

Stephen 34:18

awesome. Yeah, for sure. We'll put that link in the, in the show notes and so people can access it from there. So Gavin, thanks again for being on the show. I think this was a great conversation, a good way to start the year, as I said. And yeah. Yeah,

Gavin 34:31

Thank you, Steven. It's been fun.

Stephen 34:33

Okay, thanks a lot, Gavin.

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