Ever wonder how Hollywood heavyweights like John Cena manage to look like Greek gods? We've got the lowdown on the Herculean efforts needed not just in Tinseltown but for any dad aiming to reshape their silhouette. Join us, Mitch and Bart, as we unpack the balance of muscle maintenance and fat loss, the ethical quandary of performance enhancers, and the everyday strategies to revamp that dad bod. We're peeling back the curtain on fitness with a healthy dose of transparency and humor, and trust us, you'll walk away with more than a few nuggets of wisdom to apply to your own journey.
Curious about the buzz around supplements and biohacking? We're breaking down the science and the stories behind creatine and controversial weight loss aids like Ozempic, sharing not just the benefits but the potential pitfalls and the importance of expert guidance. From the evolving landscape of drug use in the fitness industry to our own experiences with the highs and lows of body transformation, we lay it all out on the table. And if you're over 40, our candid chat on testosterone replacement therapy might just be the game-changer you didn't know you needed.
We wrap things up with a dollop of Texas charm, as Mitch and I spar over whose name rightfully earns the top billing. It's the 'Mitch and Bart Show', where we promise to keep the energy cranked up, the fitness advice flowing, and the laughs coming. Because at the end of the day, whether you're a fitness newbie or a seasoned gym-goer, we're all in this together – transforming, growing, and maybe even enjoying the occasional barbecue along the way. So grab your headphones and join the conversation; it's not just a show, it's a community.
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Ever wonder how Hollywood heavyweights like John Cena manage to look like Greek gods? We've got the lowdown on the Herculean efforts needed not just in Tinseltown but for any dad aiming to reshape their silhouette. Join us, Mitch and Bart, as we unpack the balance of muscle maintenance and fat loss, the ethical quandary of performance enhancers, and the everyday strategies to revamp that dad bod. We're peeling back the curtain on fitness with a healthy dose of transparency and humor, and trust us, you'll walk away with more than a few nuggets of wisdom to apply to your own journey.
Curious about the buzz around supplements and biohacking? We're breaking down the science and the stories behind creatine and controversial weight loss aids like Ozempic, sharing not just the benefits but the potential pitfalls and the importance of expert guidance. From the evolving landscape of drug use in the fitness industry to our own experiences with the highs and lows of body transformation, we lay it all out on the table. And if you're over 40, our candid chat on testosterone replacement therapy might just be the game-changer you didn't know you needed.
We wrap things up with a dollop of Texas charm, as Mitch and I spar over whose name rightfully earns the top billing. It's the 'Mitch and Bart Show', where we promise to keep the energy cranked up, the fitness advice flowing, and the laughs coming. Because at the end of the day, whether you're a fitness newbie or a seasoned gym-goer, we're all in this together – transforming, growing, and maybe even enjoying the occasional barbecue along the way. So grab your headphones and join the conversation; it's not just a show, it's a community.
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Welcome to Dad, Bods and Dumbbells, where we're talking about fitness, fatherhood and just guy stuff in general, practical advice and thoughts that really have been a part of our lives right now, hopefully valuable to y'all listening and watching out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thanks for joining us. I think you said the last time we got together was interesting about working out, just find what you like and that at least gets you through the door. That's a practical thing. You don't hear much, especially with all these guys on online, um, so I really like that. But I wanted to talk about ricky stinicki again so let's go, let's go so steroids he talked about. That's how he stays in shape. He makes a joke.
Speaker 1:Let's so to be fair to john cena's character, ricky stinicki or whatever his actual real name is. He said the guy asked him like hey, how do you stay so ripped when you're a complete?
Speaker 2:alcoholic and the guy goes steroids.
Speaker 1:I'm addicted to steroids, right, and it's a funny, kind of like one-off line, but it you know, in actuality you think about certain people in Hollywood who are notoriously massive and stay that way into their 40s, 50s and beyond and you know it's the. It's the great hollywood secret. Nobody was ever going to tell you oh, I did. You know. You know a cycle of steroids to get ready for thor or whatever the movie is yeah but why wouldn't you? You're about to make you know tens of millions of dollars you have to look amazing.
Speaker 1:You've got to drop 10% body fat and somehow gain 20 pounds of muscle. Good luck doing that natural at any age, much less at over 40.
Speaker 2:So I grew up in the. I love the Cubs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I grew up in the Midwest and Sammy Sosa was my favorite player, and so there was a moment where Sammy Sosa was the skinny, fast kid that could do a 30-30, you know, do 30 steals and 30 home runs like one of many few to do it. And then he started bashing home runs and they'd come into spring training and be like he gained 30 pounds of muscle just hard work and determination and nobody even questioned him.
Speaker 2:So what is it going to take for? Take for like. Okay, so if I wanted to get like you ripped because right now I'm a pretty solid dad bod but you went through a process of doing bodybuilding competition, getting freaking jacked, so how would I do that? Like I'm probably pushing 230, you know pretty soft but like, what would I have to do and how long would it take? Like what? That's what I want to know. Like, if I'm gonna do it, what would it look like?
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of things you have to fit, you have to decide for yourself about, like, the good news for you is that you're 230 and you probably have, you know, 190 pounds of muscle on your body try 200, baby.
Speaker 2:Look at these guys. All right, adults. But I mean you talked about, you know, 190 pounds of muscle on your body. Try 200, baby. Look at these guys. All right, look at the delts.
Speaker 1:But I mean you talked about like you bench over 300, like these, you know, or around that, Like you have a ton of muscle you're carrying around, Plus you're a runner, so you've got you know. You just you're an athlete but you just have, you know, a few fat, and so your best bet is actually just keep as much muscle as you can while you're losing the body fat and just train your body like an athlete to to basically keep, maintain and and kind of polish the muscle you got so that when you get down to 10 body fat, you look the way you want to look. What people tend to do and we can talk about a zempic, and why that's problematic is people start losing fast weight through crash diets or whatever, and they end up losing just weight, muscle, body fat and they look skinny and they just look skinny but they're never going to look good like with their shirt off because they've just lost everything and including a bunch of muscle, and so they don't.
Speaker 1:They're not gonna the the. The nice aesthetic look is oh, they've, they're 10 body fat, but they also have shoulders and a chest and abs and you see those things because you know that's the hard part, like losing weight. I mean, there's literally a story and it's the true story of a guy who's over 500 pounds who just stopped eating. For an entire year he literally stopped eating. Now he was taking like vitamins or IVs or something like that to get enough like nutrients.
Speaker 1:So he didn't just like die, die. But he body just ate his you know fat and ate muscle and whatever. He never ate food for over a year and he lost hundreds of pounds. Yeah right, because his body's like, well, I have no food, I'm going to eat myself but that and that. Unfortunately, we think that the body is going to choose fat and it really just chooses all, all tissue, whatever it's like.
Speaker 1:Fat's good because it's energy but so is muscle and so is all the connective tissue and we just, unless we're morbidly obese, just generally losing weight is not the best approach so like workouts in general.
Speaker 2:So my workout routine is I run and then I'll do.
Speaker 2:I'll lift heavy weights yeah so, ultimately, the heavy weight portion of it all I'm trying to figure out am I doing enough? Am I? Am I never really going to be cut? I'm never really going to be, you know, shredded, but I'll be really, really strong, like that's. The difference for me is, when I start bulking up like that, I, no matter how much I run, I'm never going to be, I'm never going to look like I can do all the things I can do, and so it's pretty frustrating. I kind of want to just take one or the other like let's just just be and I'll skateboard and be a skater dude. That's what I want to do, instead of being this guy that can lift heavy things and be chubby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but I think the one thing you have to realize is that there are versions of every body type. There are super strong dudes your size who can run far, who can lift heavy, and our and our lean. Like you're not. You don't have to choose one way or the other. Now the idea that you have to like that you can have kind of everything you know, be completely jacked and lean and a great runner and not be injured you know, it's probably unrealistic.
Speaker 1:But but there's nothing to say that your body type can't, you know, with the right nutrition and and kind of figuring out exercise recovery balance yeah uh, which is something that I think, uh, you know, after someone's worked out or been getting consistent for a while, needs to be taken very seriously, because we should only work out as much, as much as we can recover from that workout. You know, people start training too much, or they're running too much, or they're overexercising under a dieting and it becomes just kind of like wreaking havoc on their adrenals and stress and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it throws things off.
Speaker 1:But back to your point. The question is like, how do I do it? First of all, I have a lot of patience, because it just takes time, and the older you are, the longer it takes, because everything's just. You know, it's like having an old car, like it doesn't run like the first day you bought it, like it's going to be a little slower, it's not going to burn the gas mileage is not going to be the same, it's going to be a little oil leak here and there, like you know we're driving around. You were born what? 1985? 94. Okay, I was born in 75. So I've got a 75.
Speaker 2:Mustang that I've put a lot of work into.
Speaker 1:You know, I'd polish it up and I take it on the track and so it still runs well, but it's still a 1975, you know vehicle.
Speaker 2:That's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. So we have to respect the fact that we are the age we are, yeah, and there's a lot of things you can do to help that process. Obviously, one of them is Ozempic. The other one is, if your hormone levels are low, trt is an option.
Speaker 2:There's other ways to even just get your natural testosterone up by just taking a medication that helps, just like is there really turn on your test? Does that really work? I mean, a lot of the times they're like they sell these things that are text. Stop testosterone boosters.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, most of that stuff is bullshit because they're trying to sell it as a supplement like, not an actual like like medication that you get from a pharmacy from an idiot like me understand, like, what exactly I need to be buying, especially like you talked a lot about creatine too like what do I need to be getting every day and what do I buy and how do I make sure that I'm like doing the right workouts to get it happen? Like that's what I'm concerned about is I'm going to start taking these supplements and then I'll just be. I'll just be only hoping, hoping Ozempic does its job Right, Like because I I just I really don't know, I'm not really super educated on that piece, and so I'm afraid, like I'm going to buy this creatine from China and it's going to end up giving me man boobs. You know, like that that's what I'm afraid. That's a realistic thoughts man.
Speaker 1:Like what if creatine was laced with fentanyl?
Speaker 2:That was like the new oh dude, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, so a couple of things. Just to address creatine, so the most studied supplement in the health and fitness space over 50 years. I mean, it was around when you and I were kids. People were like, oh, I got on creatine, I got stronger and so it's had this kind of like pseudo-steroid connotation. It is got stronger and so it's had this kind of like pseudo steroid connotation. It is not that at all. It is an amino acid.
Speaker 1:It's if you eat red meat or muscle meat yeah there is some in the muscle of a like if you eat like chicken breast or, but mainly red meat, you can get some naturally from that but probably not enough to actually like be to to get any kind of real benefit. But what they found? That if you, if you supplement about five grams or milligrams on grams of milligrams, but just one scoop for people under 200 pounds usually a scoop.
Speaker 1:If you're over 200, like we are, then probably a scoop and a half two scoops, but it basically, over the course of a couple weeks of taking it every day, it just stores a little bit of extra energy in the form of creatine monohydrate in your muscles and uh, and then when you exercise you strength training only, not running, not everyday life it actually gives you a little bit more energy toward the end of your set. So it's an example would be like I'm I'm doing bench press.
Speaker 2:Guys, we love bench press right all day, this guy all day. You can bench every day of the week he will um.
Speaker 1:But let's see, you're doing bench press normally. You're getting to seven, eight. You're like you're burning out, your shoulders are tired, you get, you know, with creatine you might find that you just don't quite burn out as fast. It's like that that like energy curve of, like endurance in the, in the muscular contraction of that set, doesn't crash quite as quickly. So whereas you might have burned out at seven, now you're ending up getting eight or nine reps in and a. You're stronger because you've got more reps, but also you're able to fatigue the muscle more and therefore cause it to grow and recover. Right, that's interesting, and there are. I mean there was some fake study out there, like some guy who took a whole bunch and had kidney issues and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:That was all debunked. No, that's true. And the only thing that can happen is you eat too much too soon. You can get like gastrointestinal issues, like just diarrhea or something. It's just too much. It's a great way to lose weight. I'm a I'm a stone bug away from my goal weight man. And here's a cool fact too is if you're somebody you know you or your spouse or anybody you know is vegetarian or vegan, they're eating no meat yeah so this is actually even more impactful because it actually does help the brain.
Speaker 1:yeah, like the creatine phosphate actually helps your brain and kind of neural support, and so if you don't eat meat, then you're not getting that creatine anyway. It's kind of like B12. Like people that don't eat meat have to supplement B12. Similar situation. You actually can get kind of a larger benefit from creatine as a vegetarian or vegan, so that's something to be so I recommend it to my male and female clients, as long as they're strength training at least a couple times a week. It does nothing for you If you don't do anything.
Speaker 2:See, that's what I want. I want something that I can take every day, so I don't have to do anything. So I think the big question for me in the that space is how do you take? How do you take a you know, pudgy guy like me who's on Ozempic and decided that, hey, this is going to be the best way? Because I was struggling with my struggling with losing weight because during COVID I lost 40 pounds on my own, just calorie counting and just working on my yard, because we were all home alone, all home together I it's nice to know you can do that. But then they're at a point.
Speaker 2:Now I don't know if it's because I'm older it just felt like everything I did, it was like I couldn't lose any weight and you know, one day shouldn't ruin your whole week, especially if you've done well. It seemed like that was the case, though Every time I'd do all this work and there would just be one bad day. It's over. So now it's like I don't even think about food because I got this. I take the shot in my tummy every day, or every week, um, and it's been the best. So I'm trying to figure out like, what's the negative here? Like what is everybody scared of or may or even ashamed of?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think is the issue is most people like I saw this thing on Instagram. It was like um, oh, oh, oh, zempik. And then they showed like a person that said I just had willpower, like a famous person. They lost. You know the difference between, oh, I just hiked 20 miles a day and you know, obviously, they're on ozempic. You know, three months you get that way. I've already lost 18 pounds in three weeks so, and I'm working out. So, personally, I feel like if I just stopped drinking beer, I'd probably be even better. You know that, but I don't want to do that. That would be, that would be dumb. So I'm just trying to figure out, like, what is the negative? Yeah, for me, I I just don't see any like. Why not?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think there's, there's always going to be naysayers and there's always going to be, and I think the first thing you always have to remember is everybody, everybody and everybody responds differently to drugs, right, and so you know, three weeks in you're down 18 pounds. Definitely seems to be working. Now the hard part about ozempic, and I know you got blood work done yeah, you know before you started which is good professionalist doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it's not that you can't just go to some guy. It's not black market man.
Speaker 1:And that's what I like, and I have some clients that are on Ozempic and so I understand this kind of weekly check-in, get the shot, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:And so the thing about Ozempic is that you are losing weight right, and the concern is and I think it's especially with women I don't know if the research or the proof is there with men, especially men who are working out like you are, but is that they're losing so much muscle as well as body fat. The number on the scale is just going down, down, down, but the actual muscle mass they're getting there. There the word is like sarcopenia, which is like loss of muscle is happening at a accelerated rate. Then it would just naturally, in doing any other diet like it happens.
Speaker 1:Some for some reason, happens faster with those epic, I think what is because it says people aren hungry. You're talking about not having an appetite.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not going for protein, I'm going for chips, right, like, hey, you know what I got to eat something.
Speaker 1:I might as well take something that tastes good in my mouth. Yeah Right, so it's like a texture thing, but my point on that a day dude, that that's not even like.
Speaker 2:I don't even do that when I'm not on ozempic. Well, I mean, when you actually track my macros, I think it's more like 100.
Speaker 1:It might be but see so the challenge is is that if you're running the way you are, if you're working out the way you are, I mean those things are going to help you.
Speaker 1:Your body want to hold muscle and not just eat it, you know, and as far as the body like, because you're not putting enough calories in for your body to, to just like, eat the calories, use the calories for energy, so it has to get it, and that's what weight loss is. It's like your body, you consume a certain amount of calories, right? So let's say it's, you know, 2,000, and your body burns 2,500, right, and so it had to get 500 calories from somewhere. The idea is that that 500 calories come from fat, right? And so you do that. Seven days, 500 calories times seven is 3,500 calories, which is actually equal to a pound of fat. So that's the kind of numbers behind it. Now, um, still burning 2,500 calories to 3,000 calories a day or more, because you're going to the gym and you're running and you're getting up to 4,000 or 5,000 calories.
Speaker 1:Your body can't just eat fat to survive, it's going to have to go find amino acids.
Speaker 2:And those are stored in muscle. That's why creatine would be good to have. How about like would. If I just did like protein powder in that, would that be a good supplement? Do I have to only eat like? I mean, I eat eggs in the morning.
Speaker 1:I usually have dairy, so the liver king will tell you.
Speaker 2:You only eat organs, man. Whatever Love the liver, king Is he still around.
Speaker 1:He came out. They caught him that he was on steroids. Oh yeah, he was juicy, oh yeah, but he would tell everybody that he was natural.
Speaker 2:But he would tell everybody that he was natural he was natty, I'm just eating liver and all these red meat, and this is how I remained so jacked, but anyway.
Speaker 1:And by the way, there's also a theory that he actually has ab implants.
Speaker 2:Oh, he definitely does?
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he'll do an entire podcast with his shirt off and his abs will be flexed. They'll be bulging out like turtle shell.
Speaker 1:And if you look at actual abs it's like they're all kind of off, but anyway, so I haven't seen my abs in years. Soon, my friend. So the idea of being is just like yeah, it really protein is protein. I mean whey protein is a very easily digestible protein, as long as you're not, you know, like it doesn't give you indigestion or some of that. It can make you a little gassy if you take too much, but uh, yeah, I mean there's various types of proteins casein, whey, egg protein. They even have like meat proteins that you can mix that like that are out there now that are kind of whole protein.
Speaker 1:They aren't plant-based or actually like you know, meat and egg based. There's a lot of options out there and those can be easy to just slam on the go, which I tell people to avoid protein bars, because it's a candy bar with a little bit of extra whey protein. So you're just getting so many calories, and if it's going to taste good at all, it's probably because there's a lot of crap in there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they had. I think what I enjoy enjoy is I do like doing protein shakes. That's been a cool way to do it, but I just can't. I just I'm trying to consume more protein, I just can't. But I think the biggest issue is the nature to which I gain weight.
Speaker 2:I think that's what I'm more like, not afraid of, but like I want to create better habits first, because I'm afraid that this is kind of like it's still a little bit of work. I mean a lot of bit of work. I'm still running, so I'm tired. A lot Working out sucks like I don't have any energy and so I have to find ways to supplement that. But what I'm afraid of is I'm not dealing with the psychology of food.
Speaker 2:So if, once I get off of it yeah, I've lost my goal, yeah, I can take some pictures I get off of it, yeah, I've lost my goal, yeah, I can take some pictures. I get family photos and I can shop in my own closet, as they say, right, but I'm going to be sitting here going, well, in three months when I decide I hit my number, I'm out. I don't have a still good relationship with food. I'll still stress eat. I still look forward to it. I still, like it's almost like shameful the feeling that, like the relationship I have with food, and so that's what I'm afraid of is that I won't actually deal with the problem, which is me, yeah, and I'm just gonna, it's just all gonna come back and then we'll have to go through the whole process again, like I don't want to be fat again, like I just don't. I'm done, but is that enough?
Speaker 1:yeah, well, we'll find out.
Speaker 2:And I and I don't mean that in like a bad way, that that's a good idea. But here's the thing Using my body as an experiment.
Speaker 1:You know I was just at a biohackers conference here in Austin that I was invited to to speak, and you know everyone's looking for a way to kind of you know, hack their biology or create longevity, but a lot of it is people who don't want to do the work of like working out, eating well.
Speaker 1:They're looking for little like fixes and hacks that they can utilize that are going to like save them time or you know, it's just almost a mindset over there. They're like. They're like how do I, how do I lose weight faster, how do I get ripped and stay ripped and and have a great life without having to do all the work that people do to get and look that way right? So I think you're doing. I mean, this is the thing with OZempic or any weight loss journey. I don't care how you start and what you're using to get where you wanna go, as long as you learn the lesson on the way down.
Speaker 1:Right. So because this happened to me when I was 44, I was like, stepped on the scale, I'm like I'm 246. I'm 6'4", so that's not huge for 6'4", but I was definitely not the lean version of myself you're looking at today, and so I was like, oh shit, I got to lock down and so I just started dieting, working out again, just trying, and I played with a lot of different thoughts. I went vegan for a few weeks and all these things. I went vegan for a few weeks and all these things.
Speaker 1:But in the process, I learned how to manage my relationship with food and how to prioritize fitness and what I personally needed. Some people go to the gym three days, four days a week, and they do their workout, and on the other three days they're just chilling, and that's great and they'd rather be home chilling. I'm somebody like I don't want to not be at the gym every day Like I'm. I'd rather work out six days a week and then go on my seventh day, go to a recovery yoga class, because I'm still in the gym and I feel good and I like and it's so. You know, it's a little addictive perhaps, but I just know that about me. I'm a better human being when I've been at the gym.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, that's how I feel too. Like this morning I woke up. Sometimes I wake up and I'm like, ah, I'll just sleep in an extra hour. But the times that I wake up and I go, hey, I'm going to run before everybody else wakes up, I feel so much better. But like telling I feel so much better, but telling myself that when I'm really tired I'm trying to sleep is very difficult, but ultimately it is better.
Speaker 2:I would like to create the discipline of doing something hard every day. That's what I was doing during COVID. It was like this David Goggins thing I'd run six miles a day, no rest days, and I just don't think that's sustainable for me. I don't know exactly what it comes down to, but for me I really want to find a right middle ground to where I can be successful. And I don't need a six-pack. I don't actually even want one. That seems really stressful because you've got to keep it and that's a lot of work. So for me I'm kind of like I just want to be reasonable. So I don't want to get greedy.
Speaker 1:There's very few people that stay in elite level shape like in terms of like six-pack, rip Like.
Speaker 1:Most people that are doing that are probably on something that's allowing them to like keep that muscle at such a low body fat, because in order to stay at such a low body fat, you really have under eat all the time so when you see, you're always hungry yeah, when you see somebody at the gym who's just like super ripped, either they are about to do a show right, so they're like dieting for a reason, or so they have some sort of like reason why they're getting that low body fat, or they've figured out a lifestyle where they eat they eat enough protein, but they laugh, they're constantly doing over, doing cardio and stuff like that, and they're probably on something that's helping them maintain muscle mass, something like anavar or oxandrolone, which is basically a drug that they created for people that are in a hospital bed that can't get up to, not waste away and lose all their muscle.
Speaker 1:They created this kind of derivative of testosterone called oxandrolone, which basically allows people who are emaciated and not eating and not exercising to keep muscle mass, and so it's been utilized for years, especially by female athletes, because it's not great for building a lot of muscle, but a lot of women that are in the space of bodybuilding or just fitness now are on the. The kind of common term is anovar yeah anovar?
Speaker 1:um, because you don't have the masculinization effects. Their voice doesn't get low, they're not going to get facial hair enough like that, but they're going to be able to grow and keep muscle and be lean so they can have those total shell abs and still look like you know a jacked you know super big quads and all that kind of stuff or the big how do you get that stuff?
Speaker 2:do you? Is it all illegal? I mean, can you get it legally?
Speaker 1:um, it's all. It's getting a little bit. I mean 20 years ago, when we were growing up, or you know, in the 80s and 90s, that all that was all super illegal, right, like I mean you, you had to know like the drug dealer at the gym who, if he got arrested, would go to jail forever.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Cause it's like selling Coke.
Speaker 2:Really yeah.
Speaker 1:It was like the same, like level one, like bad drug.
Speaker 2:It's like Balco Right.
Speaker 1:Exactly and so and so so. But nowadays, with peptides and with compound pharmacies and and just concierge doctors and doctors that are willing to like um to see, or just looking at hormones, health, all that kind of stuff, and say, hey, you know what I want, you know. A doctor could theoretically say, hey, you know what I want, you know. A doctor could theoretically say, hey, you know what I want you to lose weight. So we're going to get you on ozempic um, but we also going to put you on, you know um, anivar or oxandrolan, so you don't lose muscle and we're going to give you a hcg which is going to help your.
Speaker 1:You not like um, your balls not shrink, basically yeah, so like there could be like kind of a whole, like pharmacy.
Speaker 2:There's a whole cocktail for that Right.
Speaker 1:Because you know, if you take Ozempic, there's a problem of potentially losing too much muscle. So you do Anivar, which is going to help you keep your muscle, but if you do Anivar without testosterone or without some other way, then you're going to end up like, uh, your balls are going to shut down and so you have to then either supplement hcg or something like that. So it's like you know and I'm not just making this up like I literally know a client who doctor basically has prescribed and back before, like you know, peptides are also thrown in there, because there's like peptides that are used to like boost your natural h, h, g levels, your human growth hormone levels and and help with recovery and all these things are, and so all that stuff is kind of swimming in the same little like current. That is, that is right now. Yeah, so you ask that question how do you get it like from your doctor?
Speaker 1:and in austin texas I mean, let's be honest, like Austin, you know, you got Rogan here you got a lot of people that are influencers in the space of, like I mean, Huberman, all those guys. Peter Atiyah lives here. He's always talking about longevity. He's always interviewing, like you know, Derek from More Plates, More Dates. He's always talking about all this stuff. So it is definitely in the Austin vernacular and like that conversation of like hey, if you're 40 and up, you're probably at least considering like TRT at the minimum, which is testosterone replacement therapy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my brother's a doctor and he said you're gonna have to get on something when you're in forties. It's just naturally going to happen. So he was like a proponent of I think that's what it was. I mean, sometimes, uh, he tells me a lot of stuff and it makes me panic and so I'm like, well, I'm behind, I got to figure this out. I'm dying. Well there's a lot of it Real quick.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of studies that, like you, you really achieve your peak as a man 38. Really, 38 is like the kind of and if you look at like I mean if you look at sports you'd probably say it's 33 or 34 before. That's why everyone's like, oh LeBron, he's 39.
Speaker 2:Wow, Like amazing, he's still doing it.
Speaker 1:But, like you know things, after 38, 39, it starts to kind of gently slide the other way in terms of, like you know, everything from hormones to like your eyes getting bad every year. It's like oh, I squint now when I read stuff.
Speaker 2:You got readers, you got cheaters Right just things like that.
Speaker 1:And then hair loss, you loss all that kind of stuff is part of the deal post-38. So you don't want to give yourself too much of a beat down right now You're starting that trajectory and for me, I really felt it. I mean, obviously I felt it at 44 when I needed to lose weight, but I really felt it at 45, 46 as I got really in shape and then it became harder to like maintain or get stronger. I'm like God it's, I'm, I'm doing everything right and I'm making these incremental gains, whereas like when I was 35, you know, I did do half the things I would do at 45 and I'd be like, oh, I'm stronger today.
Speaker 2:Man. I would have loved to met a teenage Bart. That's crazy. Well, I thanks for explaining all that. I honestly it's fascinating to me and what I'd love to do is what I'd love for this, this conversation, to look like. For most people is the transparency that needs to happen, with me saying, hey, I'm on it and it's not actually Ozempic, it's like the. It's the cheap one, which is I don't know what it's called, but uh.
Speaker 1:I just call it Ozempic. Ozempic is the pharmaceutical like name. It's semi-glutide. Yeah, semi-glutide is the substance, ozempic is the brand name. So there there's.
Speaker 2:There's other ones out there that you can get. So, yeah, there's actually a pill now. Yeah, I like shooting my belly with it, right, it's nice, it's so little too. It's like oh yeah, it's like an insulin shot.
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, you know, it's the same way you would get you put insulin into your belly fat yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2:well, pretty soon I won't have any belly fat because of the ozempics, but I think, even with, like the TRT, the steroids, I do think, like with Joe Rogan, it's been nice for someone to be open about it, to talk about it. Because most of us just feel like should I say something Just?
Speaker 1:imagine if Rogan I mean I've seen him at the comedy club like first of all, very short, very bald but he's just he looks like like a shaved bear. He's so big he's so muscular he moves he moves like somebody who's like been a fighter you know he's a guy that we could kill anybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's, he really is that he's built to kill things uh but but like so if he was going, if he was on his podcast saying things like oh yeah, you know, just like, like downplaying the fact that he, that he's on trt, or something like that, like it would, it would be very like inauthentic and just everyone would be like, oh, I think joe's on it.
Speaker 2:Well, he says he's not, but you know yeah, so he comes out there, he just says it he recommends it.
Speaker 1:But, like you know, he talks about other people and the honesty of that conversation, whether he's talking to an expert or somebody else, who's I mean he, when he has derrick from more plates, more dates on and they talk about the rock and they talk about everybody you know, and derrick always gives his point of view on like, uh, you know who's who's natural and who's not, and I will tell you this if you ever want to know somebody's natural or if they're not, it's, it's the fucking traps if you have. Like.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry like that's you cannot, naturally, and I'm sure there's one person out there who is the exception that can get those those? Super jacked box, massive traps.
Speaker 2:Most bodybuilders probably right, yeah, you have to.
Speaker 1:If you look at natural bodybuilding competition and you see bodybuilders who are lifetime natural, they look great, they're lean, they've got all the muscles, but they don't have those superhuman muscles. They're not cool. They can have good genetics and have round muscle bells and like that, but it's usually those like super developed traps and upper shoulders that just like you really that's. That's a telltale sign.
Speaker 2:I think I think more transparency about it in everything. And you know cause? I think there's a lot of people that look around and they're just frustrated. It's like how, how come they can do this and I can't? Well, yeah, well, I take us. I take a needle in my stomach every week, you know. So, like that's, yeah, there's hard work to it. Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to train for marathons while barely eating any calories because I'm not hungry, but at the same time, it's kind of nice not wanting to drink a bunch. I'm a pretty heavy drinker, and so being able to go one beer is good, or two beers is good. I'm pretty full. That's pretty awesome. It makes me feel like there's something to it, even though there are. Sometimes I was like man, I just wish I could have more beer, but I can't because I'm full. That's how it works.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks for talking about it, man.
Speaker 1:I appreciate it. It's good man. I think this is the type of stuff that a lot of people have questions about. Yeah, and it's hard to sift through like a three-hour podcast with Dr Peter Attia to try to like find that question or like just get a little bit more information on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just understanding is way better. It makes it a lot easier. So I appreciate it, man.
Speaker 1:And I'll put some resources in the uh in the show notes so people who have more, oh, that would be awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then maybe get an affiliate link so we can make some money bam hey, did you get paid to speak at biohackers?
Speaker 1:uh, no, oh damn sorry damn.
Speaker 2:Whatever I wanted to think about that I'm glad you got to do it though. Yeah, it's fun, that's cool um, all right.
Speaker 1:Well, let's wrap this up, buddy. Thanks for doing it. The mitch and bart show. Mitch and Show.
Speaker 2:I'm glad my name's first. That's important. Mitch rules all the time, you can't have all the good things.
Speaker 1:Mitch is more of a Texas name, but Barton is like an Austin name. Oh, it is.
Speaker 2:You think Mitch is a Texas name. I?
Speaker 1:think so.
Speaker 2:I've seen more Mitches in Austin than I have anywhere else it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1:Well, Mitch is like Texas, but also slightly hippie. Yeah, so I feel like it has like a nice, like it's a little.
Speaker 2:When I start calling myself Mitchell, you know it's a problem, it's a problem the ego is swelling massively Mitch and Bart show I like it.
Speaker 1:Man, let's keep it going, let's rock and roll.