Co-op Chronicles
Episode Eight - Tequila and Family
This is Co Op Chronicles Episode 8. All right, all right, all right. This is Co Op Chronicles Episode 8. I'm Pint Sized Geisha and with me, like always, I have Black Label. Hello. And Azalee. Hello. And some very special guests today. We have Uncle Steve. Hello. And Dad. Hello. Hello. So we're going to open this episode with just, um. I have like a, it broken down. So we're like a old school versus new school mentality. Um, so, uh, how did each of you get started with the roofing business and what inspired you to get into that career? Well, I'll go first. So pretty young still. I started in 83. Oh, that's before me. 1983. Yeah. So I came home one day. I didn't, I didn't even have a home like friend Steve. I was living with him and his wife and, uh, anyway, and I was dating your mother. Mm-Hmm.. And came home one day and, uh. What you doing here, honey? And you know, you hear those words, I'm pregnant. It's like, Oh my gosh, I gotta get a real job. Steve, I need a job. So Steve got me a job working at a roofing company. And so honestly the money was better than minimum wage. And then just the more, so, and I've done pretty well in roofing. What's a, uh, What would the minimum wage be back then? Oh, back then was minimum wage was like 2. 75. Jesus Christ! Old school. Oh yeah, so and then I got a job starting at five bucks an hour? Four bucks an hour. I was like, I'll take it. Jeez. Twice the minimum wage. What about you, uncle? We were working at the Elephant Car Wash for 3. 50 an hour. Really? On uh, And that was a great job. Down there on uh, Pacific? Yeah, 25th of Pacific. Oh. That was a great job. Easy job, fun job. Yeah. I'm glad they got rid of the elephant. It was fun. Did they? Yeah. It went to a new home. So my cousin, showed up one day and said, Hey Steve, I got, you can get a job over here making 4 an hour. So we were gone. We were there 50 cents more an hour. You know, that's what, four bucks a day more. Yeah. Right. That's a pack of smokes. Anyway. Yeah. So really, you were the reason, Damon. Yeah, I was the reason. You were the reason for all of this. Um, okay. Can you share some wild childhood memories that influenced your career choice? You didn't pregnant. It didn't matter. The career choice for roofing was more money. Yeah, we, we saw that you could make, well, back then it was a hundred dollars a day. It was what the, the good roofers were making and that's what we wanted. Yeah. That's, that was the goal to think about 2 an hour for a hundred dollars a day. That's insane. When you say that you started at 4, it makes me think back to. That first job I had at the casino, when I told dad, I was like, yeah, they're paying me 7 an hour. And he was like, that's criminal. I was like, I think I even made more when I worked at frugals. I think I made like 13. It's the casino. So they're not going to pay you. Well, they do now, but previously not. So, uh, how did, uh, your, uh, your friendship with each other influence your job? Like, did it, is it just cause uncle Steve was involved in that and that's how you got the job? Or. Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, Steve's always been by my side and whatever it However he could help me, and yeah, more money was definitely help. Yeah. Would you say Uncle Steve is your best friend? Oh, I mean it's definitely Brother? Yeah, brother. Yeah. A little more than friendship there. Yeah. We do have that picture you guys hanging up in the hallway. What picture? The hand drawn one. Oh, that doesn't look like you? Oh, yeah. It does. It does. It does. It doesn't look like me? It just looks a little different. You're like so happy in the picture. Yeah, you're so happy in the picture. That is not a good depiction of you. I'm not a happy person. These are your kids talking. What were the biggest challenges that you both faced when you first started roofing? And do you have any funny mishaps that occurred during your first like couple years or through the years? I don't know about funny, um, I remember one day going down 512 and all the metal we had on top of the van flew off. Oh no. That was, that was quite interesting. That's rough. Yeah, that was interesting and you're, the whole time you're, I mean, obviously we're worried about people behind our truck, but. Who was in the truck? Was it just you guys in the truck? Just us. Yeah, that's a first and last mistake. It's like a Cheech and Chong mobile. We had the 1960 panel van and got all the metal strapped on top and come flying off it. And the first, you know, you check your mirror and make sure nobody's getting wiped out behind you. Yeah. Thought in your head is, oh my god, I'm gonna lose my job. That material! I'm gonna lose my job! Yeah, now we have to, now we have to go buy the material again. Yeah. Which nobody can afford. Did they take that out of like, your paycheck or something? I can't remember. I don't know, they didn't, but it was emphasized that, yeah, we could, or you should. They're like, they're like, make sure everything's strapped down on Mark and Steve's truck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Check your load. Check your load. Um, do you have another funny or unforgettable moment from the early years? Mmm, that's, you know what, there wasn't, not too much happiness in the beginning years. It's just all hard work. Do you have one where it was like rough, like you made a bad mistake or something? Oh yeah, one time I, uh, Driving the company truck, I rear ended somebody. Oh, Steve cracked the windshield with his head. Oh no. Wiped out the other car, another moment where, oh my god, I lost my job. Oh my goodness. This must have been the greatest company ever. They were like, yeah, that could still work. I mean, live and learn. I mean, we don't, I don't make those mistakes anymore. Yeah? Uh huh. Once, one and done. You, uncle, you got anything? Nothin funny? Or hardship? Nah, one day, one day, uh, I mean, it's funny now. Uh, drive all the way to Issaquah, for minimal, minimal money, really. Yeah, those were tough jobs. Tough jobs, and uh, we get up there, our job card says it's like a two story, you know, 8 12, easy, we get there. It's three, three and a half stories. 8 12, 10 12, bitch. Pouring down rain. Pouring down rain. I'm like, I'm like the heck with this. I quit. I ain't doing this anymore. I'm done. We're done. And that was, I made the decision. We are done. You know, I'm talking trash. The whole time Putting his pouch on, setting up the ladder, climbing up there and he is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, you know, we drove all this way, we gotta go to work. That's crazy. We got people to feed. We can look for a job tomorrow. I feel like I need this money now. I stood there for about five minutes just watching him and then started laughing and putting my stuff on and went to work. Um, so how would you and values of your generation compared to, like, ours now? You can be honest. Yeah, you can be honest. Yeah, you can be totally honest. Yeah, yeah, be honest. Safe space. I don't know if this, maybe this generation, it's Smarter? I mean, smarter they don't want to do physical labor, you know, if they don't have to, but are you Smarter enough to sit behind that keyboard all day, you know, but I'll tell you the work ethic sucks Yeah, no worth that. No, I mean, you would have to go through a hundred guys And I literally have gone through a hundred guys to get Two? Did it get two? That's ridiculous. I wouldn't even say it was like our generation. I would say maybe the generation, like, coming after us. I'm just, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The twenty somethings. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And here's the mis Here's the deal. In the trades, and pretty soon the trades are going to be where it's at. Yeah. I mean, you want to job, a career, the trades are gonna be where it's at. Oh yeah, for sure. But, I'll tell ya, the, nobody wants to work anymore. Yeah. I got guys coming in zero. Zero experience, probably never been on a ladder before. They want, you know what they want? They put on their, they put on their application. I want 30 an hour to start. I don't even make 30 an hour. I want 30 bucks an hour. Roofers get paid good money, I want 30 to start. Well, yeah, or they've only been roofing for two years. Yeah. In which you're not a, you're not a roofer. You've been in the industry. You don't, you don't know what you're doing. How long, how long do you think it takes to, to say that you know what you're doing? Like how many years do you think? A hundred percent dreaming roofer, probably seven. Yeah. Seven. I mean it seems pretty hard. When I go up there and dad's like doing all those stuff and he's like chopping it and just like knowing. I'm like, How? How is he doing this? You learn. You evolve. There's guys that have never done all of roofing. They've done shingles. They've put on shingles. They're shingle installers. They're not roofers. They can't go up and put a shake roof on. They can't do a tile roof. They can't do a torch down roof. They can't do TPO. They can't do any of that. They don't even know what a hot door is. What is TPO? It's a plastic roof. Oh, really? Thermoplastic. Yeah. Thermoplastic. Thermoplastic. Yeah. Oh. It's uh, it's a sheet. Kind of a sheet. You roll it out and you weld it. You hand weld it with a hair dryer. Oh. You don't see it on all the commercial buildings. Oh. Okay. Okay. Yeah. It's stupid stuff. Gotcha. It leaks. It's stupid easy. It is. But it's not a good roof. No. No. Okay. It's opinion. Yeah. Do you offer that or is it like your customer coming to you and saying, Hey, I kind of want this kind of roof. And they're like, Uh, that's okay. Are you guys pretty straightforward? Mark, Mark will do it. He'll do it. Are you guys pretty straightforward with your like, Consumers are like, hey, this is, this is what it's, What's going to happen if you, if you do this, this way. Yeah. Well, I am. Yeah. I feel like honesty is the best policy. I, yeah. And, Steve has a lot of repeat business, referral business, and blah, blah, blah. But me, it's not like when I sell, I'm just dabbling in sales now. But honesty works perfect for me and the homeowners and contractors, they love it. Just be honest and impartial. One of your jobs just got a 300 tip. Yeah. What? I get I get No, you'd be amazed. I get tipped. A lot. Dancing on planes. Oh, like that. You always come home with, like, little goodies. Like, little treats or stuff. Yeah. I mean Like, your customers are so nice. People appreciate Well, hold up. They'll make full on lunches for us. Like, teriyaki and stuff. Everyone's so nice. Except for that old lady who made The old lady that made dad the banana bread and he said he was like dying for a couple of days. You didn't say no name. I didn't say no name. Yeah, my belly was all like I make a bad joke. You should have brought it into the shop and give it to the guys. Yeah, I should have thrown it out, because then nobody would have worked for you. Oh, no. Everyone would be like, my stomach. I think, um, a point on work ethic wise, it's harder nowadays to consider people with good work ethics, because back then, trades were kind of like your only way to get good money. Nowadays, there's a lot of Technology wise, there's a lot of jobs that can give you money, like, working behind a desk. Well, I mean, I'm just saying, they don't have it in them to apply themselves to do anything. No, I agree. And I don't blame it on them. It's, like, society or the way it's going. Like, first It was only one parent worked. Mom was home all the time to take care of the kids, raise the kids. Then you had to have two parents go to work. And it's nobody, the TV, or the computer, the monitor, is babysitting the children. So, it's not like they, every day, get up, do your chores, go to school, come home, do your chores, blah blah blah. You know, do work. Uh huh. That's not it anymore. I feel like that's kind of how you raised us. I was very studious as a kid. I'm very happy. All my children work. We're productive members of society. I pay my taxes. You pay your taxes. All my kids work too. None of my kids have ever collected unemployment. That's good, yeah. Hey look, I only had to collect unemployment when COVID hit, okay? Same Z. Yeah, I did it. I did it actually for like a few months. It was only because of COVID, okay? If you would have been in the trade, you would have been working every day still. Yeah. I was in the trades for a while. I was in the trades too. Well, we, they, the, you gig, the, the concrete workers went on strike. You were in the trades iron. She was like, really? Then too, like, like a trade school, right? No, like, uh, metal working like. A medical assistant is a trade school. Carpenters, painters, Construction trades. Construction, yeah. Yeah, you still went to a trade school. But like, manual labor kind of stuff. Manual labor, yeah. The blue collar people. But yeah, even when you're in a union, you still, there's strikes happening, like, Sean doesn't work sometimes because the electricians are on strike right now. Yeah. He's an electrician. No, he's a sprinkler and pipe fitter, but the electricians Picket his job site, so you can't work there. Right, union. Gotcha. Yeah, good for you. Um, what is the best advice you have for the younger generation entering the workforce? Learn a trade. Just, yeah. Learn, pay attention, learn, apply yourself, be all you can be. I don't, whatever you do, just be all you can be, and do it safely. Yeah. And safely, you got to be smart. You don't want to hurt yourself for sure. Yeah, definitely. Number one thing you want to do every single day you should have on your mind and your brain, I tell this to all our guys is go home. Yeah. Number one. Number one. Your number one job today is to go home. Yeah. You know, go do whatever you gotta do, but, you know, you gotta make it home. That's your number one chore. I like that. Yeah, that's good. That's a good one. That's my, um, motto even working right now in my job. I just want to go home. I feel your job has gotten a little different. I work from home, so. His motto is, I just want to be off. I just want to go to the gym, guys. I just want to go to the gym. It's a gym time, man. Um, okay. How did you both build your reputations as one of the top roofing companies in the Pacific Northwest? Wait, wait. Any secrets? Wait, what? Nothing. Sorry. Sorry. Any secrets? Yeah. Don't give your trade secrets away. How did you guys become the best? Because you guys are. Cause you, you say you're not that big cause you're not like one of those big commercial ones, but there's a lot of people that know you guys. Well, we've been around for a long time and, and you, when you hire people, you hire people that have work ethics. What we've been talking about this whole time, guys that are going to go out and they're going to get the job done. They're going to do the job in a timely manner and they're going to do good work. You gotta minimize the callbacks. Minimize the problems. You put the right people in the right spots. You know, Mark doing our dispatch, running the guys. I don't have to worry about that. I don't have to come in every single day. He handles all that. You have the crews, the work ethics of our employees. I don't know what we have, 15, 17 guys. 17 rovers, yeah. And they all know what they're doing. You know, there are a few of them that are, that are, you know, Kind of, they have less knowledge than the other ones, but the ones with more knowledge are in charge of those guys. And you have four guys that Mark has to talk to every day. The four guys that are in charge of those crew, right? Well, they want to have a good job, we provide them with a good job. in turn, they go out and they do what they're supposed to do. You make money that way. You know, you have sales guys that sell the job for the right price. Sometimes it can be a little less for if we're not so busy. Sometimes they go a little bit more. We make a little bit more money. Yeah. What's, what's the hierarchy for you guys? Like, so you have you and then dad dispatches, but do you say, and you say you have salesmen, like how many different type of positions is there? Well, obviously there's, there's me. Okay. Um, there is Mark. He would be number two. Um, I would say Pat Potter. He's the head salesman. He would be number three. Uh, I think that's as far as it goes right there. Everybody else is, is, uh, hired labor. I mean, well, or sales. There's sales. There's, there's secretary. There's, you know, there's, but, but the three guys, Everybody else is. That make that company roll you and dad and dad. Yeah, and I just want to say that you don't stay in business 27 years now? Yeah, 27. That's what I tell everybody that I talk to. I talk to homeowners, contractors, they got everybody. No matter, I get paid to answer my phone. You're not going to call this company, you're not going to have an issue with your roof, call this company and nobody's going to answer the phone and take care of you. I, I get paid to answer my phone, I get paid to take care of you, and we take care of our mistakes. Nobody's perfect, and there's mistakes being made, but I guarantee you we take care of them. I, I, I've seen schemes went out and replaced, we, there was a, homeowners aren't happy, and they want a new roof, and we've given them new roofs free of charge. And that wasn't our fault. Yeah. Yeah, it's the manufacturer's fault. Yeah. I love how dad says he gets paid to answer his phone, but he won't answer my phone calls. I don't pay him. Yeah, he doesn't answer my call either. It isn't that he doesn't want to answer your call. It isn't that he doesn't want to answer your call. He's busy on the phone with somebody else. Yeah, that's true. That's what it is. He meant that. He's busy working. Hey, you know, I love this guy. My phone doesn't ring because his does. If my phone was ringing, I probably wouldn't be doing this. I'm just going to start calling Uncle Steve. Can I do it? Can I do it? There you go, call me and I'll tell him to call you. So, uh, what do you think are the key qualities that make someone a great roofer or just a great worker in general? Some good quality. Show up on time. You got to show up. Show up on time. Punctual. You got to be there. You got to be there on time. Otherwise everybody else is working while you're still snoozing. Show up on time. Be, uh, be open to learn. Be open to learn. Because don't, I see guys so many times come in and they start off automatically. They have an attitude. If you want to, you say, hey, you can't do that, you know, or you're doing that wrong. You know, they get the inattitude. They want to argue. What? You know, it's amazing. Yeah. The young guys, how they want to argue all the time. They think you're picking on them. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I'm just trying to help you. Yeah. I'm trying to help you. But the problem is, is once they, once they, you know, have a little bit of combative attitude, You gotta raise your voice, you gotta, you're trying to impress on them what they need to do, and then it's, it's like, you're attacking them. Yeah, I feel like it's like a generational thing, like they got, they're like super in their feelings and shit nowadays. Oh no, you're exactly right. Yeah, people are just like, their mentality is not hard anymore, nobody's like, Everybody's like, oh, well, you his or her. I don't even want to get into that. Sometimes I have to apologize after at the end of time to these people because I hurt their feelings. Yeah and it's amazing that that You know that happens. I mean, but But then again, there are a lot of guys, though, that have been around for a long time, and if I have to lose my cool and yell a little bit, they get, they get their feelings hurt. Well, that's, well, and yeah, sometimes I'm, I don't care. Hey, that's a scary man. I don't want to get yelled at. The first thing, words that come out of my mouth is, this is not personal. Yeah. This is not personal. This is what we need to, like Steve says, your team's only as strong as the lowest guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not personal. I just want, you know, we need to move forward. We need to move forward safely, productively, you know, and this, you hear what he's saying? This is all, this is all good stuff coming out of his mouth. Does he talk like this normally? Yes he does, but he's learned all of this, you know, with the position that he has because before, yeah, it was like, Yeah, I'm done with you. You're done. I know, he would tell me stories like, You're fired! He would have fired everybody. He's like, Donald Trump over here. I literally have had to groom him into this position. Because I'm not used to that. Like, I ran crews for years. And I never had no issues. I'd tell guys what to do, and they would do it happily. I never, you know, but You start getting in So, I don't know. Roofers, journeymen roofers, you know, they make as much more than me. So now you're, you know, trying to tell a guy that makes more money than you. How, how, basically I'm telling them how to make more money. But they, you know. They don't want to hear it. Yeah. They already know it all. They all wanna do it their way. Yeah. They already know it. At my job, I'm always going to the old guys. I'm like, Hey, I don't know how to do this. I need you to do it. Or at least show me. I'm never like, I would never say anything mean to them. Yeah. Every time, like I have an issue I always go to, I don't think you could say anything mean to anybody Once you, once you give sass to the old guys. Excommunicated. No one likes you. Excommunicado. No one likes you. Everyone's just like Yeah, I always go to Brian and Chase for, like, issues. Right. Like, when I have a problem, I'm like, hey, can But they're, like, really cool. So it's always good to have, like, a person with experience, but that's also, like, a cool guy. If you have, like, somebody who's, like, really smart and know what they're doing, but they're an asshole, it's like I could talk about some of you, but I don't want to do that. But yeah, it's good to have good people who want to teach you. I feel like you guys are cool enough to get advice from. I don't see an issue. You brought some alcohol. I mean, drunk. That's pretty good. I mean, some of them tequilas look great. Yeah. Very smooth. Okay, oof. That's very delightful. Sip on those all day. I'm sipping on some right now. Uh huh. So, how do you guys keep up high standards and quality in your work? And do you have any funny quality control stories? Even if they're not funny, they could be, like, disappointing. Here's the deal. Work is not fun. My job is fun. We work hard, and we play hard. We have fun. I like my job. I mean, work is casual. You know, it's not grind to the bone or anything. It's casual. But we are there, and it is a business, and people are paying, you know. Yeah, deadlines. Well, I mean people are paying for brand new cars. Yeah. And they expect quality, they expect business like. Yeah, when you come into like quality control issues with the products that you guys get, like how do you handle that with like your distributors? We just take care of the problem. And if it's big enough, then we, then, yeah. Then we, uh. You guys seem really good on that. With your like, quality control. Well, that's the only way you can do it. It's just the only way you can do it. We've, we, we kind of, I don't know. I've, I've kind of ran this business like, know what, if, if you need a tool, you go buy it. Yeah. If you need a truck, you go buy it. If you need, if you need anything, you could just go buy it. Get it done. We don't want to have guys taking days off because you have a truck that don't work. It just, that don't, that don't work. Right. Um, materials. Um, we have really good relationships with our suppliers and the manufacturers. If we have anything that is a big enough problem, um, I just make a phone call and they say what do you want, where do you want it, and when do you want it. You know, for the most part. The bigger ones, they have a little bit, you know, little more holes you gotta jump through. Hoops you gotta jump through. Um, you know, like the one product, like he said, when we replaced that roof, we don't put that product on very often. We put it on back in 2008, or something like that. And it wasn't a good product. Um, Um, And I knew that. So we just, I just told the homeowner, Hey, we're just going to tear this off and put a new roof on it. You know, and you have a very good, happy customer at that point, you know, and it's going to send your name out to everybody. Yeah. They're probably stressed out. Like, Oh my God, how much they don't like the manufacturer that, you know, the roofing that they had, but you know, they had a very good experience with a bad experience of, Yeah. But it's, it's our name. We put the roof on, it's our name and we've done a roof for them since shout out, uh, make mains roofing. I feel like, uh, you guys seem to have a pretty good relationship with all of your like, uh, vendors or like distributors. Like they're usually at the golf tournament companies. It's like everybody in the industry. I have good partnerships with them. Yeah, definitely. There's every, everybody loves us out there. Yeah. I just need more merch to wear. I told my co worker about it cause he needs a new roof. And I was like, I gave him dad's business card. I was like, reach out, man. They go to Comando Island. Did you dare bring up their golf tournaments? I swear to God, every time somebody beats me in long drive, they're cheating. I know they're cheating. I'm smoking it out there. It's a statement source but. Yes, definitely past two years. I always get it. There's some bombers out there man. You're just mad because your sister gets all kinds of stuff and you don't get nothing. She's not smoking me. I, I hit farther than her. I got longest drive last year for sure because I was in the fairway. You were in the fairway. That's the rules. That's the rules. She was in the rough. Dakota if you're listening. She only beat me by like five yards. But did you get the, Did you get the trophy? No, I let her take it. She let her take it. She's a nice sister. Wow. But Dakota did give me the, the little ticket that she won for it though. Oh, that's good. Um, I feel like we already answered this question. It was what advice would you give someone just starting in roofing today? Kind of like the punctuality, you know, be early. Open mindedness to learn. I think we kind of already attitude. Yeah I have a good attitude going in like and don't think because when you first start you're starting at the bottom Yeah, and you're gonna but you can but You can move up as fast as you want. Yeah, you ought to be willing to learn willing to jump in there Willing to get your feet wet and go for it. Yeah, go for it I agree you can make good money. Yeah, definitely and I think that might apply to like almost every Job, not just roofing right you go into a job and you're open minded Willing to learn willing to be eager and you can be successful. I can think of so many Moments where dad was yelling at me and so mad at me when I helped him roof. I remember we re roofed on this I'm pretty high strung Especially with me. I remember we were roofing. You always want the best for your kids. Dad was pretty nice when I helped him Oh my god. Man, I toned down. You just yelled at him. I got all the shit. Do you remember when we, I don't know if dad remembers this, but uh We roofed on, um, Danny's parents house. Yeah, no, I remember. And I fell through the roof. I was in the house. He was so mad at me. He yelled at me. He didn't even ask if I'm okay. He was like, no, I gotta fix this shit. Get off my roof. I felt bad. Dude, I fell through the roof. Yeah, no, first I get pissed off and then I ask him like 20 minutes later, are you okay? Yeah. I was like, this is like, I'm gonna be right back. Don't step through the ceiling. How many times did I say that before I left? But I slipped off like a beam and Dad was so mad at me. Skip sheeting. Skip sheeting. He was so mad at me. He was like, To be fair you did the one thing he told you not to do many times He told you don't do it walk on the dresses to be honest roofing is so scary, man I don't know how people do that shit when i'm on the roof and i'm looking down i'm like fuck I'm, you're scared of heights though. Yeah, but i'm pretty sure I don't know. I'm pretty sure dad's afraid of heights. He just does it because he needs the money. Are you afraid of heights? No. Goddamn. I watched dad climb a ladder up like a six story apartment building. It was terrifying to watch. Yeah, I'm not gonna bring this up right now, but I don't know if it is one of the answers to one of the questions. I'll bring it up later, but I have something in mind. Um. Are we gonna talk roofing? I know, I thought this was no, no, no. We're gonna get there. Like three more questions and then we're getting down to the stuff. Got it. So, uh, you know what? I'm just gonna, I'll skip, uh. We gotta ease into it. Let's just go. We'll just follow. No, we're gonna follow. Just go to number ten. Number ten? Okay, I'll go to number ten. But I'm gonna bring this up before we go there. Um. You Damn, what was I going to say? We're going to number 10 now. What was I saying? I don't know. I don't know. You're probably going to have a hundred people show up at the door Monday night. Yeah, how much money do you make on an application? But, I mean, what if you get some guys that are like, I'm willing to learn and I'm eager. No, we have to see them. Yeah. Okay, so we're going to jump down to, uh, number 10, which is the old school versus new school. Uh, and then following after that, we'll get more down to like hobbies and interests. Golfing. Golfing and traveling. But so like, old school versus new school, generational differences. Um, how do you think the mentality of your generation, I guess we We kind of covered all this. No, when it comes to work and life. So how does your generation, um, differ from, I guess we'll say the younger generation, differ from your mentality when it comes to work and life. How do you think it's different? Compared to your guys. I'm so lost with the question number 10 How do you think the mentality of your generation differs from today's generation when it comes to work in life? There you go, even if how you said it was like The younger your generation I definitely think approaches it better than I did like Your mom probably wanted to divorce me 50 000 times because I always put the job first and your generation's learned to You know separate Work. And life. And life. Yeah. Work and family, and I was always grinding. That's what I liked. That's what I did best, and that's what I did. I think that's also like a little bad habit, because I gained that from you. But then Sean's just like, you need to, you don't want to, enjoy yourself. Yeah, he's like, you don't want to work to live, you want to live to work. The thing is with roofing though, is it demands your time. It demands your time. It demands five in the morning till 10 o'clock at night. Sometimes. Till 10 o'clock at night. That's what we were doing. My wife would keep our kids up till 10 o'clock at night during the summertime so I could see them. Otherwise, they would ask her, hey, did daddy leave? You know, they didn't see me for weeks on end because we were working summertime, five in the morning. Wouldn't get home till 10 at night, you know? So it demands all your time with roofing. With other jobs. It's not so much. I don't, I don't think it's, it's that tough. It's just, it's a different thing with roofing. It is a grind. Uh, with business, the first five years you're in business, especially roofing business, you are, you're grinding. It's, it's, it's 24 hours a day. You answer the phone when you're shopping. You answer the phone when you're, when you're out to eat. You answer the phone, When you're in bed, you have to answer the phone. It's customers calling. I mean, after about five years, you can, you know, let somebody else do that job. Yeah, Dad's always like, it's like 6. 30, 7 o'clock, Dad's answering the phone. One of these guys are calling. That's the way it goes. But, you know, nowadays, the newer generations, I don't think that's, I mean, if they started a roofing company, they would have to do the same thing. Thing. Mm-Hmm.. Yeah. You just wanna succeed without Yeah. You gotta build your business. But there's not, there's not guys out there starting roofing companies. They're buying companies from other people that have Yeah. That are already, already made the name already. Already. It's already established. Oh, that's crazy. Contractors. Mm-Hmm.. Mm-Hmm.. I, I remember those Dad would, I would have to wake up early so dad could drop me off at school.. Mm-Hmm.. Mm-Hmm.. Um, what old school values do you think are still crucial for today? Or in today's work. Old school values? Yeah. Why is it an old school value? Because it's just how it is. We're like, we're like gonna be sick. Because people don't do it anymore. People just haven't made them work hard enough. I don't think people work hard enough. I would say old school is like, more work driven. And you're like, you're more like, involved in, He's on the couch. He's on the couch. Um, and you're just like more, like, into work. Nowadays people are like, yeah, work, whatever. No, people have probably learned to relax. Or, like I said, I mean, kids nowadays are, I mean, they're not They don't know what work is, period. Well, you can make the same amount of money going to McDonald's right now as you can going and starting a ripper job. Make 20 an hour and start. Yes, rippers start at 20. We start them at 20. McDonald's hiring at 17. Yeah. They probably don't work 40 hours a week, but At the company I work for, our drivers start out at 23. Yeah. Yeah. And you get to drive. You drive. Yeah. Well, that's not hard. I mean, they don't just drive, they also install, but Oh, okay. So drivers, yeah. Install, yeah. Yeah, not just driving. They gotta do hard work too. Well, you said drivers. Well, that's what we classify them as. Our drivers start at 20 an hour. And they just drive a dump truck. And they just freakin drive. Yeah, I mean, it's sometimes. They just drive? That's what we do? I don't have much hair left. Oh, I'm right there with you now. It's just all in the back. A party in the back. Um, any new school approaches that you find still surprisingly effective? That has there been a young guy that has come in and was like, Hey, Duh duh duh duh, and so on and so forth. And you're like, yeah, you know what? That might actually work or that's actually helpful. Oh, I'm afraid of losing my job every day. Some of these young guys are fricking, they're sharp, they're sharp. They've went to school. They understand management and they know some tricks. I mean, my job's in jeopardy all the time. I think with the amount of knowledge you have, it's not, but also, I don't know. I think maybe that's just me. I mean, if you don't have, uh, I mean, if you don't have any roofing experience, it's definitely helpful, but, you know. There's some sharp kids out there that could manage any company, probably. I feel like you do your best to stay current with any new, like, um, thing that comes out in roofing. Like, I remember watching you read books about how to do, like, a new type of install on a roof. So I feel like you're pretty good at keeping up with that and trying to stay relevant. Since the very first year I started, I knew. I was like, I'm not gonna be the guy that just does this or only knows how to do this. I'm gonna know every single phase about, this is what I picked. It sucks that, this is what I picked to support my family, to make a living, to, I'm gonna learn every single phase of this. Yeah, it just sucks that it doesn't translate on the golf course. Are you kidding me? I mean, I, I'm trying. Shadow. I'm better. He doesn't talk about all the times that I do. I putt better. I love playing with Uncle Steve because he's just like carefree. He's here to have a good time. And I'm like, me too. That's right. I may not be the best, but I'm fun. Some of us are drove to, you know, To compete. I only compete against you guys. Yeah. You be putting really good. When we won that tournament, she was putting really good. I was driving, I was driving out of my mind that day. We did win the Lions Club Tournament. We did win. We did win the Lions Club Tournament. And I won the long drive, because nobody can hit it farther than me unless they treat our cheat. Was that last year? Yeah. We're about to win it this year? Yeah. We're golfing this year. I got to fill out all that paperwork next week. So how, how has the use of technology and roofing changed from when you started to now? Has it changed a lot or is it pretty much the same? Everything's online now. Everything's online. All the customers know everything about roofing before you even talk to them. Yeah. So it's totally, totally changed. I mean, before. We had to educate all the customers. Now they're educating us. Yes. They'll educate us on what kind of roof they have, what they think they need. Um, and you know, you can't, you don't argue too much with them. You just give them what they want. Unless it is wrong. Unless it's wrong. How often is it wrong? Well, a lot of times. A lot of times, yeah. They'll, they'll read something or they'll think they need something that's going to cost them an extra 5, 000 that they really don't need. But if, if that's what they want, we'll give it to them, but we have to let them know you really don't need that. Right. You know, but you can't, you can't be undersold. You can't undersell anything. You know, you have another, you'll have another contractor right behind you. That's going to, going to say, Hey, yeah, you need all this stuff. You know sure they'll spend ten thousand more dollars just because I say never google. Yeah, never just don't google right since in medical Well, maybe for IT, Google is good, but in medical, when I have those patients that come like, I googled it and it said it was all these things, and I'm just like, no. First rule, do not google anything. Google's gonna tell you you're dying from a paper cut. Don't do that. But with like IT though, like if you're making scripts, if you're trying to create scripts, I remember last week they asked me to like, Mike asked me to create a script for him and it was uh, what was it? It was trying to figure out The amount of users compared to licenses. Oh yeah, I remember you told me. But there was like, there was like 800 users. So I was like, you know what, I'm gonna create a script. And they just did it for me in like three seconds. So I, Right. Cut the time down. Yeah. It was how many users you have that are using it. And how many people are not using it. And I end up saving, I'm gonna bring this up. Cause so we had, It was like, we had like seven to eight hundred users. And then, Microsoft, Microsoft licenses. I'm intoxicated. Sorry. And, uh, each license is like 10. So 10 per person. And I think there was like about like almost a hundred users, not even working at the company for like the past six months. With a license. License. So that's, how much do you think that is? Like $10 per, let's watch him do math. 10. So there's like$6,000 per month. So six months, whatever, 3,600 or $36,000 in six months. So I saved the company like $36,000. Once we, well, I didn't save'em, but I was like, Hey, yo. This is how much we wasted in the last six months. 36, 000 is a lot of money. I shoulda, I shoulda got a raise. Shoulda got a raise. Shoulda got a nice bonus. I don't know if I'd be bragging about that to you saying, uh, who's toes you steppin on right now. It's whatever. I think Google should get the raise. I think my Google should get the work, right? Mike doesn't listen to the podcast. Secretly, he does. Yeah, he probably does. Cause he even said, oh, you're Twitch? And I was like, how does he know I have a Twitch? He's in IT too. He's watching you. He's watching me play games. He's over here watching me like fucking yelling at the game. Oh, I get serious. Last night, man, Geisha was over here. She was like, What are you doing? I was like what? Oh, yeah And then he got mad because he he died in a game and i'm just like babe he's like what i was like you She didn't talk to me the whole night, but the thing is she's on my team My friend John's on our, our friend John's on our team. I'm over here shitting on people, killing them. And then I'm like, all right, I'm pushing through over here. I went from, you were coming from the back. I was coming from the side and John was coming from the other side. You just died. Anyways. Anyways, anyways, anyways, you didn't hold your own. No, no, he did not. We're going to get an attitude. Uh, first of all, don't you start, cause I'd be, I'd be, I carry this all the time. Whatever. Anyways, anyways, anyways, what number are we on? Um, 11? What old school tools, doesn't have to be old school, just like tools or techniques that you swear by. Is there any old school techniques? He's like, nothing comes to mind. A knife, a hammer. I remember I used the roofing hatchet forever. Like, I probably was the last guy to use a roofing hatchet. I just wouldn't let go of it. And finally one day I switched over to the claw hammer and a knife. Is that a thing? Goes in it's like sharp at the end. Yeah, it has a it has a little blade holder on it. Yeah He's like I wouldn't I was gonna die with it. Yeah Bury me with A lot of new tools though, I mean that's just technology. There's a bunch of new tools. Tin stall, I mean basically nail guns, air, you know. That's the basics, you can't change. There really hasn't, it hasn't changed. It's not broken, don't fix it. I mean your battery operated stuff, that's about it. You still run an error, you gotta put nails in shingles, whether you put them in there with a hammer or a nail gun, it's all the same. Staples, we used to use. We used to use staples. For years. You know, now it's just a nail system. But it's all, roofing has not changed in the last 40 years. Okay, so let's just stop talking about roofing. How about we just go down to hobbies and interests. Number 13. Yeah, just go to number 13. Number 13. Get a drink. We got a lot to talk about. I'll go get the drink while Azalea has that. If I don't get back in time, Geisha, you ask my question. Okay. How did you both get into golfing, and what do you enjoy most about it? Man, I really want to talk some shit. Contractors, the same thing. It's with work. I mean, with work, the contractors want to go golfing. Yeah. I worked with some guys, another crew, I'd worked with them for a while, kind of moved over to, started working with them and their lives. It's like 12 in the afternoon, 90 degrees out, and they're like, We're gonna go golf, Mark. Let's go. And I'm like, I've never golfed. And they're like, Come on, we'll show you how. And yeah, I was hooked. Nice. My company just did, um, The president of my company took some of the old guys to a golf tournament recently, and I felt so left out. I was like, you guys know I love golfing. Right? How did they do that? They're afraid you're gonna beat them. Reaver came back, um, the next day and he was like, you know, Eslie, after nine holes, we were talking about you. He was like, me and Bert should just go back to the shop and we'll bring you. And I was like, I can't believe you forgot about me. Um, how did you, how did you decide to get Damon and Az into golf at such a young age? Encoder. Oh, that's pretty easy. Every dad or mom wants to hang out with their kids. And, you know, it was an interest of mine. And it's not that just golf. I mean, it was bowling as well. Fishing, camping, you know, uh, yeah. Golf, bowling. I mean, you know, it's, that's what I did. And why shouldn't my kids do it too? You know, at least try it, see if they like it. I never ever stopped them from pursuing whatever they wanted to do. Excuse me? Nope, nope. I would like you to retract that statement. So, senior year of high school, I wanted to play tennis. And you said, Azzalee, why would you play tennis your last year? Just continue with golf. And I was like, I guess I'll just continue with golf. I guess tennis is out of the question. I don't remember that. I think that's like the thing when I, I've had like college essay questions and they're like, what's something that you remember? And I was always like, I bonded with my dad through golfing. Me and my siblings bonded with him. Laughter. Nice. It's a great game. Yeah. It's really fun. I think it's, I'm actually going golfing tomorrow with Koda and our friend Weston. Oh, cool. So, we're gonna be doing that in the morning. Koda never invites me anymore, but she comes back and tells me all these stories about how great she is. She never invites anyone. I wouldn't know. She doesn't invite any of us. The only reason I'm going with her is because Weston asked if she wants to go. But she always does seem to perform whenever we do the McMains tournament. She golfs all the time. She posts on her Instagram pictures of her golfing with her friend. They're golfing all the time. Yeah. Without us. Good for her. Yeah, cool. I mean, yeah, she's active. That's good. Yeah. that's good. She's doing great, so. Yeah, I'm having fun. Geisha? Uh, oh, it's my turn again. Uh, do you have any memorable or funny golf stories? Thank you. I want some too, though. Lots of ones. Supporting her, supporting her. My best stories are when I see you guys Tell him to pour it in his What? Pour it in your cup so I can have some Oh, he wants to split it with you I didn't know we were sharing Do you want some, uncle? No, I'm good Do you want a little sippy? No, I'll take it So one time I seen Steve's son So one guy, he's out there golfing And he's like Hux's club into the pond. I see Steve's son Ernie. I don't know if there was an exchange of words, maybe I'll give you a hundred bucks, or I don't know, or maybe it's just like, I'll get it for ya. I told him, go get it. He jumps into the pond on the golf course and goes and finds the golf club at the bottom of the pond. And we know ponds on golf courses. And that really . So that's pretty tough. But yeah, that's one of the funnier things. That's all. See guys, well, what we do, you gotta tell the whole story. Well, I mean, I mean, I only got Why was the golf club in the, why wasn't it? I don't know if that's, I don't know that part. I just come in at the, well, one of our manufacturers, this was a, this was a golf tournament. A manufacturer. Not a manufacturer. It was a supplier. Yeah. Tournament, right? Mm-Hmm. Washington Cedar and supply and. The manager, the, the big guy, right? Of that he was golfing with another guy who was like one of the managers and, and he had this four foot five foot club. This guy's probably six, eight, six, six, 10. I don't know. Big tall guy. So he's got this huge long club. Well, he swings this club and he shanks it, does something. Well, the manager's like, well, hey, I've told you that thing is a piece of garbage. And he grabs it and he throws the sucker into the, into the lake. Right? So we see this happen. We see this happen. They're like in front of us and I'm like, hmm. Ernie. I need that club. I need that club. That club is going to be presented at the awards banquet after this, the wettest shot of the day. Right? It's going to be presented back. So it was, it was at the end of the day, it was presented, nobody knew, nobody knew we got that club. What a good secret. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, you know, at the end of the day, it was presented back to Rick, the guy who did it. Who's club at Blanc, you want, that was the, his club. And Bob. Walks right up, grabs a club out of his hand, and busted it right over his knee, busted the thing in half, and threw it. Bob. Way to go, Bob. Bob. Way to go, Bob. Western materials, Bob. Karni. Bob Karni. Are we on? Good name, calling you. Which question did we just ask, do you have memorable golfing trips? 13. Yeah, 13. You guys have plenty of memories. You've done plenty of golf tournaments with us. You know how it gets. Yeah. Sometimes people Have a really good time. I remember uh, I don't know if it was last year or the year before but somebody tried to get it up with me. One of the tournaments before was it the year before and I was you were in a different group than us Yeah, and I was just I was ready to throw down man. You're ready to throw down with anybody But I was like I was ready. Well that guy he hit the ball at Damon's ankles. I mean and I was like I was like, what the fuck, the fairway's over there. And the guy that didn't even hit the ball got all offended. He's like, shut the fuck up, I wasn't even talking to you. And then he was just like, what'd you say? And I was like, what, what? That's like the story I was telling you about. We hit our balls into the other fairway, and I know, I see him sitting in the other fairway. We're going down there, all of a sudden a group's coming down. We weren't in the right fairway, we were in the wrong fairway. But anyway, the group's coming down. All of a sudden our balls are gone. Oh, yeah, but just like i'm like, okay, i'm getting ready to drop another ball and damon's all like What'd you do with those balls what'd you say? It's just like now people are stupid it's like golf was supposed to be like a zen sport You know what his response was was like oh We're playing scrambles. What the fuck did you have to play scrambles? You've taken our ball wrong. Like, yeah, I think it's not your ball. Yeah. Leave it there. Leave it there. Yeah. I did buy the red balls after that story. So now some people are just like, they're, yeah, they're just, some people don't take golf etiquette like seriously. Okay. All right. Let's go to travel adventures. What, uh, some, what are some of the favorite, uh, your favorite places that you've, uh, both traveled to? Cause you, you travel a lot, Uncle Steven. You've been traveling ridiculous. I do, yeah. Well, what did we do last year? We did, we did four or five trips last year. Yeah, we did a lot of trips to Disneyland. You guys did a lot of trips so far this year, too. Daytona. A lot, I mean, you know, we fish all the time. Yeah. Where we went, uh, we went to, uh, We did some great big hunting trip, uh, that was probably maybe two. Elk Hunt. Yeah, the big elk hunt. Last year. Last year. Oh, the one when you got your ear? Ear your horn? I just came back from Canada. Steve sent me up there to go on Honey Knot Lodge. I mean, amazing. Where he, he held up, he held up the McMane's name. There's no fishing destination like it. And won all the money. I won the money too. The biggest fish. You got the biggest fish. Yeah, in the 12th hour. There's a lot of fish in the freezer. But that's just like the past year, but I mean, that's just the past year. Do you have any favorite place that you guys ever traveled to? That's my favorite. Honey Knot Lodge in Canada is hard to beat, especially if you love to fish because it's, it's such a. It's yummy playing downstairs. Mom, mom didn't hear from you the last day you were out there and she was freaking out a little bit. I was like, he probably just dropped his phone in the water. Was she like, say my name please? No, she's like, I haven't spoken to your dad since yesterday morning. And I was like, mom, he's back. He's alive, he's fine. He's fishing. Yeah, I was like, let the man live his life. Yeah, fishing. I was like, ask Aunt Kathy. She might have gotten in contact with him. No, Steve's the man of the world, man. He goes everywhere. I wouldn't know where Steve's at. You've been on a lot of trips recently. I know you've been to Africa recently. Oh yeah, I went to Africa. Africa with EJ was, was like, uh, That was, that was a pretty good trip. I mean, I never thought I would actually like it. Doing something like that, but I can see myself going back for sure nice What's your like favorite place you've ever been to like destination wise that you would like think about all the time you said Canada Come on Fishing fishing fishing destinations are really fun And it's it's it's not a fair question to ask me because I've gone to so many places Um, but a lot of them haven't been like abroad. I mean, uh, you know, I mean, we went to Mexico, we went fishing down to Mexico, it was really fun. That was awesome. You know, I mean, and a lot of it has to do with either fishing or hunting. Um, you know, just going places to goof off. I mean, Florida is fun. Uh, Vegas is fun. You guys go to Vegas a lot. All of Nevada is fun. Fun. Uh, it's a it's a good time. See, take friends. You guys should go to Hawaii to do like tuna fishing. Oh, we've done that. We've been to Hawaii. Oh wow. Okay. We've done that. Nice. We've done, I've caught tuna in Hawaii and mahi mahi. Yeah. And yeah. That's great. Oh yeah, they do everything. Yeah. Anytime you guys wanna do that, let's just go do it. Okay. Let's go. Tuna fish. That's awesome. Yeah. Yellowfin t family. Your family Tuna fish. It fish just out in Westport. It was crazy. Oh yeah. It was tuna fishing. We tuna fished in Mexico too. Look at that. Yeah. You just gotta ask. They'll take you. Let's do it. Well, we're gonna go catch some sturgeon in a couple weeks. Yeah. I mean, where there's like sturgeon. Yeah, you guys need to go do that. on the boat. Those are big fish. Catch some sturgeon, yeah. We're going. We got it on the calendar. Yeah. That's a great trip. I feel like they just answered my question. What's that? Oh, it was, uh, any funny stories from your trip. From which one? Any trip. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Just tell us a funny thing that happened during your trip. Well. You just go for the experience, huh? Yeah, I mean, it is fun. The whole thing is fun. Sometimes, you know, Mark and I will drink a little bit, and the women like to take a bunch of pictures. Yeah, at your Vegas trip. Yeah, we asked the women, they could tell you some funny stories from when we go to Vegas. They were holding hands, apparently. We did a company trip. We did a company trip last October, September, October. We took 26 people. Right? And uh, we had a party van. We had the party bus. Yeah, you know the one with the stripper pole in the middle. And you'd be amazed what some of these roofers can do with a stripper pole. It's pretty crazy. I mean, it was pretty fun. It was pretty fun. No, we don't show any pictures or videos or anything. It's like that, um, what's that movie? What Happened to Vegas? Hangover. Hangover. Where you see all the pictures at the end. Yeah. At the end. Uh huh. Yeah. That was a very good trip. It was. And everybody, everybody really behaved themselves. Except on the party bus. We had it. I mean, but yeah. But nobody gets in trouble. They had a fun party bus. You know, everybody's, everybody's wives are there. Yeah. You know, they, they can't imagine. They don't imagine it either. They're like, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. That's so fun. Yeah, it was a good time. It was really a good time. I definitely think that we answered this question already. So I'm gonna skip my question. Your turn, Black Label. It was, what was your favorite place so far? So we already kind of did that one. Um, okay, we'll go to some fun and light hearted stuff. Crazy childhood stories. Um, what are some of the craziest things that you guys did when you were in your teens? I mean, you guys tell me some crazy stuff that you guys used to like race on Pacific Island. I don't know if we want to go there. I mean, yeah. We have like some crazy stuff. Like our teens. Our whole teens was crazy, man. Crazy, crazy, but we can't talk about it. You have to remember that Mark and I, from the age of 14, 15, didn't live at home. Okay. Okay. So your guys kids, okay, Live at home. Yeah. We did not, we, we supported ourselves and some of the things that we did probably should not be on the air or even talking about it. Dad's told me some pretty funny stories from his childhood. What about some stuff that you can share though, like racing or. I used to hear some crazy stuff like, um, racing on Pacific. Where Mark was driving the car and, and the cop, the cop was coming down the road. You already knew his story, let's hop. He was coming down the road and Mark didn't turn the lights on. It was my old Barracuda and, and you know, we're not even old enough to drive that. This is the oldest story in our, I've never, how old were you guys? Fifteen. Oh. Fifteen. I mean, I had a car when I was fourteen, you know, but, but, you know, Kathy was in the car with us. Oh no. We had gone to the bowling alley that night and, and her and her sister were there, I don't know what they were doing, eating french fries and hot chocolate or whatever, but we were out goofing off just like kids do. And we met up over there. Well, she decided she was going to go ride home with us. And, and, so, Mark's driving. He's like, I'll drive. You guys can just sit over there, whatever. The cops come in and he forgot to turn the lights on, so the cop flashes his lights, right? Just his, his lights. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah. Mark, like, he bails in the backseat. Oh my goodness! He's like, he's in the car, driving down the road. And Bale's in the backseat. That's it, we're out of here. Cut it off. And Kathy has to jump into the driver's seat to drive. And now the cop's like, you know, cause the car swerves, obviously. Now the cop hits his lights, does a U turn, you know, comes back, pulls over. Kathy, because she's driving now. Right? And he's like, why did you swerve? And she's like, uh, well, I was, I was just nervous. You know, he's like, I was just trying to tell you to turn your lights on, you know, and she's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. But anyway, that was hilarious. I got nervous. That you guys survived is hilarious. That's just one of the funny things about surviving. I mean, kids these days don't have to Survive anything compared to what we did, but you know, you're talking old school He's like, oh shit, let me get in the back Well, that's another this is another segue for azalee. I mean we've had a great childhood I know when I hear, like, Yuri, I just childhood, when I think about mine, I'm like, wow, I was so sheltered. Very. Very. And the way my wife sheltered our kids, and you sheltered your kids. I mean, we, we did it because we knew what we were doing. What we grew up with and what we had to deal with. I mean, and that's nothing saying anything bad about our parents because our parents did their job. We just didn't stay there long enough to figure it out, right? They learned lessons without parental figures. Yes, we did. Well, um, well, you kind of answered this, any funny or outrageous stories from your youth that you want to share? Do you have another one that you could share with us? What do you think? No, it's too, it's too crazy for the air. There's so many. I, uh, I, I mean. Yeah, so all of my childhood memories would probably involve alcohol and cars or, you know. But I do remember one time I was with the buddy of Stephen R's, uh, I can't remember his name. He passed away when we were, like a lot of our friends passed away when we were younger. But, uh, yeah. What was his name? He owned the big giant station wagon. The big Pontiac station wagon. That anyway, that car was so badass, I'd love to drive in it. But anyway. We weren't even old enough to drive. I can tell. But anyway, we just weren't old enough to get a license yet. We're shit faced drunk. Don't, don't drink and drive. Don't drink and drive. I want some Funyuns! And they're like, what are you talking about? He goes, I want some Funyuns. I mean, this goes on for like 20 minutes. I want some goddamn Funyuns. And I'm sitting in the passenger seat going, There are onion rings. Oh my goodness. That man, he wanted to have a good time with some Funyuns. He did, he did. Funyuns are freaking amazing. They are. They are so good. The hot ones are really good. Oh, I haven't had those either. Hot Cheetos made like a whole bag of them. Dude, do the Flamin Hot Funyuns. So good, worth it. Yeah. Did you guys ever pull pranks on each other? I don't think not each other. No The most prank stuff we do is I'll send him, you know, like freaking, you know Cowboy beers because they never leave rings on tables. I Don't I don't get it Is it because they drink it? It's because they don't have any rings. Oh, fuck. Damn it. You know, that are that are new enough, anyway. Yeah, poor Black Label, he didn't get it. Yeah, who are you to know Aslee's the brightest? I got my Master's. Look, he could become a doctor if he wanted to. I got turned down. Aww. Yeah, I got turned down to make the house to work. Just at that university. You need to try harder at somewhere else. Yeah, you can apply to a different school. Anyway. I'm just gonna skip mine since you guys don't have a funny prank that you can Do you guys have the funniest prank that you've ever pulled? On anybody. On anybody. I've jacked guys cars up and, you know, put, put stuff. That's not funny. You know, I remember, yeah, when Steve and I were, we were separated. Couple summers, we didn't see each other. They separated us. I was hanging out with some other guys, same old shit, man. We do, you know. Yeah. Hooligans. But I remember we used to take, we, one night we rounded up all the trash cans on the block. Don't get me. All the trash cans on the block, we round them up, and in the middle of the road, Pyramids? Pyramids? Nice! With all the trash cans. Those little tiny Honda cars we'd go out there, pick them up and turn them around, pick them up and sit them in. On the sidewalk. This fuckin asshole. Fuckin kids, man. Yeah, people go out with their trashcans and they're just in the middle of the road like, God dang it. Fuckin kids. Not again. Where's my car? That's my trashcan. The best though, I think I still remember the best is like, We're still living at home at this time. We're probably 12, 11, 13, I don't know. How long ago was that? Midnight I hear this rap on my window and Steve's like I get up, Steve's like, let's go man, let's go. Alright, alright, what are we doing? And so, there was a lady on the block, she wasn't very popular with all the kids. Uh oh. Oh no. With the A& E buddy. With the A& E buddy. I can't remember what we did some bad stuff to her. Oh eggs, maybe But then steve's like no you got we bars of soap right all over the house so when she goes to wash it's all sexy and stuff Oh, that kind of reminds me there used to be popular when we lived in it was like when asley was I don't even know if asley was born, but we lived in silverwood And there was this guy that lived across the street. And I think his name was Al. But that, I don't know if that was his name, but that's what we called him. He was weird and he lived with his mom. But we all, we all thought he was weird because he would walk around and do stuff. But man, I was a horrible kid back then because we all, We'd like grab eggs and we'd throw fucking eggs at his house. And now I think about him like, man, if a kid did that shit, I'd probably beat their ass. Oh yeah. But he didn't beat her ass. He was a good guy. So mean. There's this one memory. I have a black label and it was, we lived at black label. Sorry. I'm trying to stick to your code name, but it's hard. But when we lived, I think it was violet Meadows. Um, but Dame, Oh, are you talking about when we went out in the back? When you guys left me in the blackberry field. No, it was Park Meadows. Oh, Park Meadows. Yeah, dude, I feel so bad now that I think. Guys, how old were you? I was young. Does dad know about this? No. Okay, so you know that big field in the back where we used to go across the fence? Yeah. And we used to be in that big field of grass and we all went deep in there and we just dipped on her and left her. And I got lost and I had to walk back home. She was like a big baby. She was like eight or young. I had to go back home by myself. I was so sad. And I'm like, man, I'm an asshole, brother. Oh yeah, I'm fuckin pumped. What's up? Well, it's like the time that Black Label popped Koda's shoulder out of her socket. Oh my god! Let's not talk about that, cause Dad was gonna beat my ass. Dad was gonna kill me. Cause I remember I did like some WWE move on her, and then I did it, and then Dad was like I remember one time, me and Azzley, I don't know if I chillin around a box, we were airboxing and then it accidentally popped right in the nose. It was so funny. It was so funny when I think about it. I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I'm sure a million people have like stories like this. I gave Misty a black eye. I've thankfully never gotten a black eye. It was a pillow fight. I grew up an only child, so I don't have any memories of having any stories like this. The teacher's like, how did that happen, right? She says, oh my dad hit me. I'm sorry I didn't get a chance to do that. But you should see him. That's what she told her. Alright, let's get to the game questions, Az. What kind of games are we talking about? Have you guys played games? What kind of games did you play? Video games. Football, baseball, video games. No, video games. Video games. Not sports games. I'm trying to get a pinball player. Oh, yeah. Okay. That counts. I did get into the one video game way back when the, uh, What is it? The Meteor Man? Or what was it? Mega Man. Mega Man. I beat that game when I quit smoking. I used to go to Uncle Steve's house. Oh, that's right. You played the heck out of that game before you quit smoking. I played the whole thing when I quit smoking. I would get done eating and I would go directly to my room and just play the Mega Man. And I beat it. I beat it. I used to go to Uncle Steve's house and play the game. I did. I did. I would love to still have that game. Just because of that. You can make it happen. Just, uh, the internet is one click away. But the only games I really played, Asteroids, Pac Man, you know, stuff like that. I've got all those games still at the house. What consoles? Oh, you know what I hear? These aren't even consoles. You don't even know when to hand the handheld games. The Coleco's and stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah. Where are the football ones? The football one is just dashes, you know. That's what we had when we were kids. I think that's Coco. Coco. I've never heard so much. Yeah. That's what we had when we were kids. We Pong. We had Pong. Yeah. I know. How Pong was that a, was that Atari? Frogger. Atari at, you know, Frogger came out. Mm-Hmm. We, we literally grew up when all of this stuff was coming out. Yeah. Mm-Hmm.. So much stuff like. In our lifetime, I think that technological advances have been more than any in history. The microwave, the hair dryer, the curling iron, all those came out when we were kids. Like this, the floppy disk. The floppy disk. That was their generation. The whole computer. We were like kids. The computers were like the size of this room. Yeah, yeah. And they were having us write programs on these stupid Floppy, yeah, cards that they would put in there. You'd punch the deals. You know what's crazy is that the floppy disk, I'm not 100 percent sure. The floppy disk was like high tech. But the amount of storage on a floppy disk was insane. Horrible. It was like four megabytes. It was like small. It was like the smallest thing. And now USB, you can get like one with like 256 megabytes. I remember like, I remember back in the day, like having to take the floppy disk from like school, work on it, eject it, put it in my computer, work on it, eject it, bring it back to school. Floppy disks? You're not that old. Yeah. Really? No, they're old. No, you're not that old. I'm pretty old. No, you're not that old. She's like I'm 35 you had you used a floppy. Yeah I use the floppy disk and like middle seat 35 years in high school in high school. You did. Yeah I was in high school. I had TV drives I ours are I where'd you go to school again? I went to Lake Oh, Lakes, okay. Well, in middle school and stuff, yeah, I was in Hawaii, and I remember the floppy disk, right? But at Lakes, I remember doing the floppy disk, because maybe we just had old computers. Yeah. But I didn't. They had the disks. Yeah, I had disks. Yeah, like the CDs, but then it was so much harder to save your information on the CDs. No, no, no, like disks. The disks, the square disks. Like the disk drives. No, no, floppy's like the big. They were floppy. Yeah, but they were round. The disks were like that. But they were hard disks. I've never heard of it. No, no, no. I'm talking about the disc. Yeah, the disc. Like the disc. The one with the little metal thing that you can move back and forth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can click the side and lock it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. That's a floppy disc. It's a floppy. No, a floppy disc is a floppy. No, a floppy disc was floppy. It was like floppy. Maybe, maybe there's some kind of like language disc, like distinctive. No, no. I'm going to Google it right now. A floppy disc is the fat floppy one. I consider floppy discs to be disc. I'm retarded in technology. Google it. Forget about it, we can't deal with it. Gee, floppy disks, that's what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about, the little square. It's that one right there, the removable, no, that's the storage what a floppy disk is. Floppy disk, it's a type of storage component with a thin and flexible disk of magnetic storage. What were the ones that were just They were floppy disks. A removable magnetic storage medium. It's this one right here. Third one. It was this one. It was the floppy, it was like flexible. That's, that's a hard disk. To me. I, I think that's the hardest. This is the floppy? No, that's floppy. This is Floy floppy. This is a floppy, they still called it a floppy. Oh, okay. It's, that's, Ooh, Mr. I, that's like, okay. That's like your old school. That's like your old school stuff right there. Okay. Yeah. We're talking about what we first used when we were roofing. The first computer I ever had. All that stuff. Yeah. Like these floppy, it was all on all that stuff. Flappy, floppy. Okay. That's back when you, when QuickBooks was like on a disc, you'd buy the disc. Now it's all online. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so how do you think gaming has changed from when you guys were younger to now? It's crazy, right? Crazy, right? We used to put a quarter in to play. Yeah. Yeah. You guys, you can sit and buy, you can play all day on nothing, you don't put no quarter in, just buy the game. Yeah, it costs like five dollars for an indie game now. Right? And like the graphical wise, it's like crazy. It's totally crazy. Yeah, I mean, that's ridiculous. I mean, I don't mean, I don't mean to call you out dad, but dad asked you like, what's that? It's it's the computer. Yeah. No, I was just gonna say that. I'm like, what is that? He's like, that's my computer. And I'm like, are those fans? He's like, I got like nine fans. Why is it glowing in there? That's why it's so hot up here. Yeah. I was like, oh shit. Well, no, because we don't have no windows up here. Yeah, we don't have windows. It's actually not that bad. Yeah, no, it's been worse. Yeah, it's been way worse. Today was a mild day. Yes Um, I don't know where we're at, uh, you have you have if you could live in any oh If you could live in any video game world, which one would it be? I think dad's gonna say like speed racer or something I mean, it could be a video game or like a cartoon or an anime like that You guys used to watch as a kid Like scooby doo scooby doo. Oh scooby doo is pretty. I love scooby doo. Yeah Speed Racer, Jetsons, Flintstones, you guys are bowlers. That's not a video game. Well, it can be a video game or a show too. Yeah, a video game or like a TV show. I feel like you don't have very many video games to pick from. I thought Jetsons were cool. Oh yeah, I think they're cool. That's gonna be us in the future, right? Not yet, not yet. Yeah. Give it some time. What about you Uncle Steve? Come on. Uh, uh, uh. I don't know. You don't have a cartoon you like watching? A cartoon? What was your favorite cartoon that you watched as a young whipper snapper? What's the one with all the cats? Thundercats? Oh, I was thinking of the movie Aristocats. Captain Planet. That's like my generation. That's like my generation too. Cartoons, I don't know. Were you allowed to watch cartoons? Yeah, Saturday mornings. Saturday mornings, yeah, we had time to watch cartoons. That was about it. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. I mean, if you're wondering, I think I'd rather live in the real world. Steve's, Steve's a minister's son. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. That's why he's so rotten. That's right, that's right. That's why we had so much fun when we were children. Midway through the night, sneak out. Hey, let's go to the bowling alley and play pinball. Yeah. I was a bad kid. I was a terrible kid. I didn't mean to, I didn't realize I asked that question. We weren't bad kids, we just had fun. We were really good kids. We just had really strict parents, you know, and, and the only way we would be able to. You know, be ourselves was to get in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, I was in trouble with them. I think it's so interesting that it's caught considered trouble. Yeah I think it's interesting that that's the route you guys went for having strict parents. Yeah You guys got away with doing it all. I went The completely opposite route, and I was the best kid in the world. Well, I mean, I was an A student, pretty much. A, Bs, you know, I mean, I quit school because my car broke down. You know, I couldn't get there. You couldn't walk up that five mile hill in the snow? No, I actually lived downtown Tacoma, and I was going to Washington High School. Oh, that's really far. Yeah, ten miles. I went to Washington for a couple years. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, but that's the way life is sometimes. Yeah, I wouldn't walk the 40 miles that would have taken you. Well, now you can just jump on a bus or an Uber. Yeah, I heard Washington has the best public transportation. So yeah, really I feel like Me I Hawaii might challenge you because the buses in Hawaii run all the time. I never for seven Well, no, we were on Maui, but I never seen Oh on a walk. I don't know if they have buses I mean, I think I feel like they would have buses in Maui, but the buses on Oahu They're like running for seven governors and stuff like that for each island Is there different colors there? Oahu is a pretty nice one. Oahu is nice, yeah. And I don't know if it's true or not because I saw it on Instagram, but there's a little Flip switch that gives you the shock in the back. If you let them, let the bus in, it's called the bus. It's D a. When we were in Hawaii, every time, like I let somebody through, they would throw the shocker. Yeah. So then every time I would pass somebody or they let me go up, like, yeah. And then we came, we came back here and I'm like, God, nobody, nobody feels the same way. They're giving you a shocker. Nice. You can go ahead and ask this one. Well, I think, since you don't have very many video games to go off of, Um, if you could pick any, like, movie character or book character, Um, who would you want as your coworker in Riffing? And who would it be? Ooh, that's a good question. What role would you give them? Would you give, like, Thor all the manual labor? Or Sonic the Hedgehog, just, like, Ba ding! Do you have No, I think, I think Yeah, I don't know. All right, all right, all right. Oh, Matthew? Matthew. I feel like Matthew wouldn't get much work done. He's just gonna be talking to you. He'd be sniffing coke all day. I think like Bruce Willis, Bruce Willis would be like, Iron Man, Iron Man, get ya done, you know. Yeah. He's the unbreakable man. Iron Man on Monday, McConaughey on Friday. There you go. Yeah. You'd have a good strong start to the week and then a good fun finish to the week. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. I'm lost. 19, babe. 19. Um, what is the most challenging game you've ever played? I bet Pong was pretty hard. I bet you Pac Man was really hard. Well, how long did it take you to beat Mega Man? I don't know. That was probably 4 or 5 months. 4 or 5, like, not consi like, you look like you're in there. I only play like an hour a day. Oh, okay. Is this a Super Nintendo Mega Man? Yeah. Okay. No, no, it was uh, Regular Nintendo? No, it wasn't on Nintendo, it was on Sony, Playstation. Oh, oh, the 64 Mega Man. Mega Man. Or, no, not Mega Man 64. Oh, that's the one I usually come over and play, right? Yeah. Yeah. That one was fun. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be nice to find it, because I could, I could still beat it today, I think. I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure you can find it. Yeah, that'd be, that's fun. You can find anything on the internet now. Yeah. What about you, old man? Uh, Hmm. I pretty much suck at all the games. Like, I, I, I don't get at video games. Okay. Zero. Really good at pinball. Pinball. Like the pinball machines? Yeah. I remember. That's like reflexes. Good reflexes. They got some bad ass pinball machines out there now. Yeah. Yeah, nowadays. Like I remember as a kid, I don't know if this is a thing. Illegal or not, but in Hawaii when I would hang out with my mom We would go to a game room like an underground game room where everybody would just That already sounds illegal Play pinball and I remember being a kid like Play pinball, pinball Like pinball machines and like it was a game room. We called it a game room when I was growing up, right? All the adults are gambling on the Pachinko machines. I feel like it might, yeah, I think it was like a, like a gambling room. But I remember being there like playing the pinball machines when I was a kid, right? Just kind of doing my thing and my mom's like doing her thing. And I was getting so mad at this stupid pinball machine. I was like, I need more quarters, give me more quarters. And they would just give me a bunch of quarters. And I'm just sitting here playing pinball. Shut up, we're doing illegal things in this underground pinball. No, it's keeping you busy, safe. Yeah, I mean, I was there, I was fine. I made it out alive. It wasn't an underground pinball place. It was an underground something though. Yeah, I feel like it might have been like Well, there's no gambling in Hawaii, so it's definitely under gamble. Yeah, so I think it might have been a gambling haul. But I remember a kid like, Oh, we're gonna go to the game room. And I'm like, okay. Playing pinball. And I just remember like all these pinball machines. And I'm like, okay. I need quarters. Um, how do you think the skills from gaming translate to like real life problem solving? In roofing. In roofing. It doesn't? You don't think like quick minded, quick minded? don't play video games cause I suck yo. Vidya games? Vidya games. Okay, you're definitely. Let's just skip that one. Let's just skip. We'll go to number 20. We'll go to number 20. Let's roll questions. Okay, I'll ask that. I'll answer that then. Well, obviously it's led to your career. You roofed, right? You used to roof. So, I think. Well, I. No, he didn't. I did. I did torn his hair off. He didn't. I did not roof. Let's just say he did not roof. He's holding on to time that he used to roof. He learned really fast, so like, I ain't doing this shit, I'm going back to school. Yeah, I'm going back to school. I would think though, like, quick minded, like, video, like, the things, like, reflexes and, like, the way you learn in video games. Cause video games, like, it takes a lot of, like, brain. I don't know if it was like, I don't know if it would translate, cause like, roofing is very Physical and hard. It doesn't. Yeah. It's tough. I would think that hard. We'll just skip this one. We'll go to with, uh, number 20,. Um, what are the most important your careers in roofing? I mean, you guys are still doing it. It's a thinker. Yeah. Any good lesson? Lesson? Yeah. Like what, what, what's a life lesson you learned? What's a life lesson from on the job? Work hard. I mean, roofing was my life lesson. That's, I mean, like I was saying earlier, like, That's, I was all about the job. That's all I did was work for I don't know how many years. It's just like, it's just like any other job. You, you have a customer. You take care of the customer. Right? Yeah, you learn how to associate with people and Sometimes you don't, you don't feel, I mean somebody will do something stupid You know, you really don't, you really don't I mean you want to say, you know, you're stupid But you don't, because, you know, it's going to end bad It's going to end bad, either it's a customer or it's an employee Or, or, or I mean, last time I told an employee he was stupid, he don't work for me anymore. You know, it just, you gotta kinda treat everybody, you know, kinda the way you'd want to be treated. But, you gotta, you gotta treat them even better than you want to be treated. Because, they, uh, they, they're people. Oh, definitely better than the way I was treated. Yeah, they're people. In the industry. You know, but there's the life lessons you learn in a roofing industry is just like any other job. You just gotta, you know, treat people how you want to be treated. Yeah. You know, take care of business. Mm hmm. Get it done. Yeah. Yeah. How do you balance work life and professional life? That's a tough one. Not well for, for day. That's why we ask that. That's a tough one. That's a tough one. Um, it's, it's a lot easier now than it was in the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Um. But, uh, yeah, that's a tough one. There's a lot of, uh, a lot of things you have to do in the industry to rub elbows with other people in the industry that, uh, take a lot of time away from your personal life. Um, so your kids and your wife and your family have to, uh, you know, take the brunt of that a lot of times. Um, But it, you know, it all works out in the end, you know. Uh, there's a lot of time you can spend with family, just because of where you're at in the industry. Um, after you put in that time taking it away from the family, then you can give it back. Yeah. Um, what was the other part of that question? There was a third part. Um, just how do you balance work and personal life? Balance it, yeah. It's, it's, it's, you know, family first, work second. Mm hmm. That's good advice. What about you, old man? Yeah, I mean, like I was saying earlier, I was But in the last I don't know, maybe ten years. I've learned, kind of learned to, uh, balance my life. You know, family, more family, less work, more fun, less work. Five o'clock, it's time to go home. I mean, but, you know, it's, it's not easy. I mean, sometimes you just gotta, you gotta go. Pay the bills too. Mm-Hmm.. I think it's hard, especially today, right? Yeah. I I think also during the summertime it's harder for you guys 'cause it's more daylight. So you can get more done in the daylight. Yeah. That's, you try and push yourself maybe. Well, yeah. Anymore though with the, with the way our jobs are now we summertime's a breeze. Yeah. It, yeah. Summertime's fun. It's, it's a breeze.'cause you have a lot more time. So you can get your work done. We get our work done in, in, I mean, a 12 hour day anymore for me is, is very rare where it used to be all the time. Yeah. Somebody was just asking me that the other day. They're like, what time do you try to cop? Well, I, I started seven in the morning and I, and I try to make it a commitment. Nowadays I'm getting up there at four o'clock. I've got my stuff done and I want to be up at four. Sometimes you're gone before I even leave the house. I leave pretty early. Well, no, I've never gone before you and that's I'm going fishing because you are going early Well, that is work, right? Yeah. That's work. Yeah. That's work. Okay. So, uh, I want to act, uh, ask, uh, impact of friendship. How has your long lasting friendship impacted your personal and personal or professional and personal lives? It, you know what, Mark and I have a mutual, a mutual understanding. Um, and I mean, it's not, it's not anything we've ever talked about, discussed, or even agreed on, but you know, our job is our job. Yeah. And there's some days where I got to come in and, and obviously I have to be the boss. I have to, I have to, you know, I tried not to tell him what has to be done, but all will, I will say, well, if I, if I was doing that, this is the way I would do it. And a lot of times that's a good., you know, way to put it. Mm-Hmm. sometimes it's like, Nope, that ain't gonna work in this situation, Steve. This is the way it's gotta go. Mm-Hmm. And that's way, and that's the way it goes. I mean, I shut up at that point if my way is better. Mm-Hmm. And he sees it that way. He takes that and does it that way. Mm-Hmm.. Right. It just does. But we have a mutual understanding. I mean, there is no time I ever, and I don't think he's ever. been mad, right? I never get mad at this guy. I never can. I've never been able to. That's just, right? He's, he's a friend and when it comes to work, we both have a, have a job to do and we both see the, we both see the job the same way. Sometimes he'll get clouded because there's a lot of employees that are involved that he's handling and he knows he's got to deal with those guys well but there's some times where you know what those are all my employees and this is the way it's going to go right and then other times he's like no it's not going to go that way you know and you just got to learn that you got to back down or if it's that important you you know you hold to your to your value or your grounds and and and then Each of us, I mean, it works perfect. Yeah. I mean, I, I mean, I feel like there's probably not that many relationships that have done, um, they're out there, but have done as well as like, we've known each other our whole lives. Like we're, we, We're pretty close to thinking like minded and we understand. I mean, it's like, uh, you know, how you communicate, but you don't need to communicate. I mean, we're pretty close. Well, we work together as partners too. Roofing, actually learning. We learned how to roof together, right? I mean, he's taught me things that, you know, it's like, okay, I can't figure this out. Why? Blah, blah, blah. And I mean, it's like, okay, you cut that flashing this way, right? And all the way I've been doing it this freaking last three years, it's leaking. Right? I mean, he shows me, okay, well you gotta do it like this, and it's like, you know, cause he He was so much better at cutting metal and doing that metal work. And it's, you know, you look at it and it's a great job. It's like, okay, I'd like to learn how to do that. Well, then he'd be like, okay, do it like this. You know, we learned how to do everything together. I don't know how many things that I may have taught him. I, maybe none, who knows, but you know, hot roofing, hot roofing was kind of a specialty in our younger days and we did quite a lot of it. I probably burned him. I don't know how many times, you know, but, uh, You know, when you learn together, you know the same things, right? And, and in this this day and age when you see something and they probably forget that because I'm in the office all the time that I actually used to do exactly everything they're doing. Yeah. You know, so they kind of forget it and once in a while I'll look at a picture or something that's going on. Well, why didn't you do that? And they kind of look like, Whoa, I didn't think of it that way or whatever. Why do you do it like this? Cause that's what I would have done, you know? Um, but we kind of have that mutual. You know, friendship and, and work. Friendship. No, I understand. When I walk in them office doors, it's business. It's business. Yeah. It's, it's not personal. Yeah. You know, but I mean, at the end of the day, if I think I did something to piss him off, I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say something. You know, I did this because of that or whatever. And usually it's like, hey, yeah, no problem. I got it. I got it. You know, so it's. What was the question? No, you did good. That was a good answer. Yeah, that was great. Um, do you have any advice for people listening to maintain strong, lifelong friends? Like, any, like, hey, just listen to each other. I mean, you guys have known each other for, you're like 80 years old. It's pretty easy. Don't fuck your buddy over. Yeah. It's pretty easy. Don't fuck over your buddy. I mean, you know, bros before hoes. Don't fuck your buddy over. Have each other's back. I mean, and, and it doesn't matter what's going on in life. If somebody, there's always bad times. If that person needs a hand or even a, you know, a shoulder. You know, that's what you do. Yeah, it's beautiful. I find myself helping people all the time. I feel like it's a lot different. Total strangers, I mean I'm happy to help. Yeah, I feel like it's a lot different. Cause like back then, you guys were like men's men. But now, now it's like more acceptable to talk about your feelings. But like, you know, like. This is how it feels, but you guys aren't even at that stage, right? You guys are like, I'm a man. Dad's like, what are feelings? I don't know what you're talking about. We'll just go to the next one. You're the one who asked the question. Damon's got a lot of feelings. Get back to the roofing part of it here. We'll tell you, you know. Um, so, uh, How do you get fired? How do you think, uh, roofing? I think we should skip 22, because 22 is just, we already asked these questions. Go to 23. Okay, you go ahead and start us off on 23. Um, what's your favorite? Wait, rapid fire questions. So it's gotta be quick. Quick. So, right when I ask, you answer. You answer. Yeah. What's your favorite That's what a rapper does. Yeah. Yeah, in case you didn't know. Yeah. Just so we can. What's your favorite book or movie? Grown Ups. So, my favorite book is actually a trilogy. It was called the Foundation and Empire. You got me on that. Isaac Asimov. Yeah. That was my favorite. That's really good. You should read it. Favorite book, Jungle Book. Grown ups, Jungle Book, Isaac Asimov. Um, if you could have dinner with any three people dead or alive, who would it be? NY. NY. Matthew McConaughey,. . Come on. This is Muhammad Muhammad Ali at your guys' times. Come on, Gandhi. I mean, I want ha you know who I'd like to, I don't know if I, you had dinner. We'll start dinner and drinks. Mm-Hmm., you know, uh, what? I can't remember his name, the fighter, the MMA fighter. There's many of them. Oh, Manny Pacquiao? No, no, no. I don't know him. Fuck, the Irish dude. Oh! Conor McGregor? Yeah, Conor McGregor. I just like to get drunk with that guy and get in a fucking fight. Not with him, but as his partner. In his corner. Yeah. No, he wants to fight him. He wants to be above you. He wants to fight him. You know that guy I want to fight with him. That guy I want to start some shit before the night's over. I want to fuck him in the ass. Have you guys watched the new, uh, uh, what is it called? Roadhouse? Roadhouse. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I thought he was going to be the good guy. I was like. Oh no, I knew he was going to be a bad guy. I was like, is that the Gregor? He's like, no, that's not. That's not Gregor. That's how he is now. He's gained so much weight. He's big as fuck now. Yeah. Uncle Steve? Oh, it's my turn. Oh yeah, Uncle Steve. Yeah, yeah. He said he would fight with him. No, no. But he gotta answer the question too. I don't know. Somebody to have dinner with? Yeah. Three people dead or alive. Who would they be? Dead or alive? Yeah. Hmm. Any sports person? Bo Jackson? Yeah. Mariner players. No. Ichiro? Nothing? Alright. Alright, we'll skip it then. Skip it. What's a fun fact that people, uh, uh, what's a fun fact about you that most people don't know? Fun fact. Dad used to, I remember Dad used to play chess with us. We used to have like chess tournaments. Yeah, we used to play chess all the time. I'm no good. Yeah, we used to play with Silas, or play with EJ. EJ just learned them when we were in Africa. Yeah, we, I mean, I play. We used to play like tournament chess. Chess, little championship things. Dad taught us how to play chess, taught us how to play golf. He taught us how to play Texas Hold'em. How about cribbage? Yeah, cribbage. I can get down with some cribbage. What about you, Uncle? I don't really have anything that people don't know. He's just an open book. You're a cool fuckin Pretty much out there. You're a cool guy. I like to hunt. I like to fish. I mean, I like to spend time with grandkids. Drink tequila? Oh, tequila. I mean, if you didn't know that. What, what was that tequila that, uh, the guy suggested to you? The fancy one. The fancy one? I don't know, I don't remember what the name, yeah. Stone. Stone was the guy's name, right? Shout out to Stone for that. Yeah, shout out to Stone. Did a tequila tasting right in Total Wine More on the way over here. Wow. Fancy. Helped out with some new tequilas for us to try out. That, uh, that, uh, Matthew McConaughey, that, that stuff's killer. Oh yeah, alright, alright, alright. Alright, alright, alright. I like the other one. That was some good killer. I like the other one with the vanilla notes. Oh you like that one. That was good. I mean it was good. I just, the vanilla. It's a little different. Yeah, it's a little different. Maybe that's just what it is. I'm a sweet kind of guy. Yeah. I have feelings. Not like you guys. He does have feelings. Alright, um, If you could have any superpower while working on a roof, what would it be and why? You'd have to fly. You'd have to fly. What? Flying is not flying. Speed, right? What do you want, like, blast? You're already fast. We're already fast. We don't need, I mean Flying? Flying, yeah. You don't have to put up a ladder. Like, if you were like Superman, you could fly around real fast and the shingles would go Yeah. Okay, okay. During the wintertime, you could heat vision them down. Yeah. Oh my god, you're terrible. You're picking Superman. You're not even saying Hey, no! If you know how to fly, you can do all the rest of the stuff. Okay, okay. Yeah. Flyin I would also do flying. That would be good, yeah. If I could bypass traffic. It's like Flash though, you just like You can fly right by him. You'd have to consume. For me, you gotta wear a suit specifically for running. For me, it would be to make myself. Invisible and something I touch. Invisible? Creepy. Oh, just in general. Just in general. You're going slow, you know, invisible. Oh. I would, I just want to be invisible and have something I touch invisible so I can walk into a bank. Oh my god, you're a thief. A little thief. Hold some, some stacks. And walk out. So what you touch would have to be invisible. Yeah. All this money's down here. Whatever I touch. She said anything she touches. Just get some snacks, stacks. And just walk out. Just saying. So you've already visited a lot of places, but if there's one place you could visit, or vacation, and where would it be, and why? I do recall you guys saying something about Ireland, or like, over there. Ireland is, we're planning that probably this year, or next year. Nice. Not this year. Next year. Um, We've never been. That would be amazing. That would be. Scotland, Ireland, yeah, go over to see some castles. How much do I have to contribute to go on this trip? Yeah, I was about to say. Who do I need? I will start paying into a fund right now. Well, I mean, that can happen. Can I make monthly payments of like 100? That's the way we do it. That's exactly what we do. We put money aside, you know, and do a savings account. You'll put it there and this is for that trip. And, I mean, if you guys want to go, all we got, all we have to do is put it together. That's the way me and mom do it, too. We have envelopes. It's simple as that. Yeah. That'd be fun. I want to go to Ireland. Let's do it. It's so nice. The castles. I want to go. on St. Patrick's Day to Dublin. Do you think it's, is it a big deal over there? It's a big deal. St. Patrick's Day. There's also a day that Misty and Lexi want to go. Kathy does too. And that's not on like St. Patty's Day. It's a different time of the year. Lexi's like the most redhead I've ever seen. More than Misty. She's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, she's got bright red hair. She's got those good jeans. She do, she do. Those good jeans. Um, any final thoughts? Wait, wait, the dad, the dad didn't answer. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Oh, I can't remember, there's a place I always, I can't, I mean, I've had a few drinks, it's been a long day, I can't remember the name of the place I always wanted to go to now. Uh, Bali. Dubai. Rio. Japan. No, no. Thailand. Japan. Italy. Philippines. No, it's not like it's like You've never been to the Philippines, right? Maybe you should do that? I've never been to the Philippines. Do you want to go there? I really should go there. You should go there. They have really beautiful Yeah. There is? Yeah. There is a lot of beautiful beaches. They got that black beach, right? Isn't that in the Philippines? I mean, I know a ton of people, too, that have homes there and stuff. It's not expensive, too. I've researched. It's cheap for, like, eating good, too. Yeah. It's just, it's not expensive at all. I think it just depends on certain parts, right? Yeah. Just like anywhere. Anywhere. Anywhere. Don't go to Manila. Yeah. Kind of like the slums and then the richer part. Or where grandma's from, right? Where's the grandma from? Yeah. Like the ghetto. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the grass huts. Yeah. When I moved here from Hawaii, in uh, middle school, I think I went to one year of middle school here, eighth grade, everybody was like, do you live in grass huts? Like, no, bitch! I live in a fucking house. Like, what do you think? You're civilized people. Jesus Christ. It's not a third world country, like I have little coconuts covering my boobies every day, all day. Are your floors made out of mud? Oh my goodness. Um, okay. Any final thoughts or advice you'd like to share with our listeners? Yeah, for everybody that's listening. For everybody. I'm not, I don't judge and I'm not giving my advice. But I'll tell you, uh, I super had fun on Co op Chronicles. These are all my kids, and I can't even remember the, uh, Geisha, uh Tombstone. Tombstone. Black Label. Black Label. We got some gifts for you. We got a gift for you for being on Co op Chronicles. You gotta put them up somewhere nice. What? Yeah, you gotta put them up somewhere. We survived. We survived. We won a guest trophy. I don't know if you guys are gonna use it as a paperweight or anything, but it's cool to have. I mean, we took it easy on you. We didn't want to get all slurred and sloshed on you. Yeah. We're good. We're good. We're good. That is cool. Yeah, thank you. Thank you guys. You have anything to share? No, I'm good. Tequila? I got a tequila downstairs to share. I got a participation trophy. Participation. Good job guys. Good job. Go ahead Ez, go ahead and close this out. Um, well, thank you to our guests. Steve for coming here and making this episode, like, amazing for us and really fun. Um, but, uh, as always, this has been Co Op Chronicles with Pint Sized Geisha, Black Label, and me, Azalea. Bye!