So THIS is Quantum Jumping (w/Kevin Michel)

In this epic episode, Brendan tackles one of the most popular topics on TikTok that's not unnecessary dancing with your parents...quantum jumping. Luckily, Brendan talks with the fantastic Kevin Michel, author of several books including, "Moving Through Parallel Worlds to Achieve Your Dreams."

The two QUANTUM JUMP to all kinds of great topics like: 

• Why the hero's journey can sometimes feel like a plumber's journey. 
• How to push past the Groundhog Day effect. 
• A few KEY steps to pushing past your limiting beliefs. 
• The #1 question to ask yourself.
• And what it's like finding a fortune in your pulled pork sandwich. 

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"Moving Through Parallel Worlds to Achieve Your Dreams."
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Speaker 4: I think one of the reasons why we've been so resistant to the idea of quantum jumping and parallel lives is because 

a lot of times we see characters 

in movies and TV and literature 

that are offered the choice to live a new life completely. 

And typically when they end up living that new life, it's absolute dog shit.

takeaway is you never should have left your first life because that's where the good things are. 

Yeah, sure, you're poor. 

Yeah, sure, your son has a wooden leg. 

But guess what? 

It's still so much better than being rich and selling your soul to the devil. We see it time and time again. [00:01:00] The character 

goes and experiences their, quote, new life where they thought they'd find all of their happiness, 

only to return and say, no, 

the real happiness is here in this shitty, shitty town.

Usually with the name Falls in it. Rockland Falls is where true happiness is. 

Meanwhile, if you were to actually go to Rockland Falls, it's just riddled in meth. 

The movie Bedazzled, sorry Brendan Fraser, everyone's favorite movie, 

um, is a story about a guy who has a shitty life and he's like, 

I'm gonna give the devil the devil's gonna give me seven wishes, 

and I'm gonna take all those wishes.

And then what's gonna happen? She's gonna 



Speaker 4: She's gonna steal my soul. 

I don't know. That seems like kind of an intense thing, you know, like why we got to really make that binary of a choice. 

Okay, I'm gonna give you a real 

easy choice. You either continue living your life, 

or 

You can have everything you want, and get ass raped by the devil.

These are the two choices you have in life. 

I just think it speaks so much to the binary way that we see everything. 

So like, the idea that there's a thousand billion 

worlds. 

Our brains can't even comprehend that [00:02:00] shit. 

We're still dealing with Coke vs. Pepsi. 

I'm a Pepsi guy, I don't give a shit. 

And if you think that, Okay, well maybe I'm using just a couple sporadic examples from pop culture, then you're wrong.

to emphasize that maybe we're not 

completely led to thinking that parallel lives or parallel universes could be awesome. 

Let me introduce you to religion, who I would say, specifically the Christian religion and the Catholic religion, 

an entire 

subconscious foundation of that religion is 

be happy for what you have.

Don't be too big. 

Because if you get too big, yes, in fact, 

you will be acerated by the devil. 

And initially, if you take it back even farther, 

this was literally used to keep peasants down. 

to keep people from becoming rich, and thriving, and successful. It's 

give all your money to the church, 

and the king is the one who should be thriving.

The king is the one who should be taking a bath in gold. The king is the one You think those peasants get access to that golden hat? 

What I'm saying is, sometimes the complexity is far too great for our simple minds to handle. But, holy shit, that [00:03:00] doesn't mean it's not true.

I recently went and saw the Northern Lights. It was beautiful. It was by accident. it was in a town called Seabrook, which is literally based on the Truman Show. What the fuck. And, all of a sudden my friend's like, let's go see the Northern Lights. And I got to see them, and it was incredible.

Fun fact, you know what's crazy? Here's what's crazy, everybody. The camera on my phone was able to pick up more color and more gradient, gradiation, sure. Then my eyes. So when I took a picture, it looked even more colorful and wild in a way that I did not even think was possible. So if that is true. not seeing?

The simplicity of our brain sometimes makes us able to survive. And I get it. I understand. It makes sense. Okay? We can't run around thinking there's a thousand choices all the time. Because that would drive us insane in a state of complete paralysis. hey, side note, no worries, we have two choices for president.

Okay, that makes sense. But I will say this. The spectrum of choices you have in your life Extend far beyond a binary choice, okay? So just remember that the next time that you're worried [00:04:00] you might get ass raped by the devil. And don't watch Bedazzled, it's not that good. Alright everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of Spiritual Asshole.

I am Brendan Fitzgibbons, I am your host. Thank you as always for being here. Will Joined as always, with me, is Willoughby T. Fitzgibbons. Willoughby is recently becoming older, and I'm seeing some greying in his face, and, let's just say I'm not emotionally handling it well.

I literally googled, My dog is grey. Why? I mean he's eight. This happens, right? Age happens. But if anybody knows how to dye my dog's face, just let me know. That would be a wildly successful business in LA, for sure. Hey, what's up, everybody? Yeah, like, my job is just to go to people's apartments and, like, I just, like, dye dogs faces so that you can feel better about yourself and your own mortality.

It's 2, 000. Call me later. I'll also put an IV in your arm. I'm so excited. You're here. Please continue to follow me on Instagram. It is at the underscore benefits Gibbons on Instagram and also on YouTube. I'm always posting great videos. I just threw up a really cool video that Lisa Windberger, a former [00:05:00] guest put of our conversation.

I want to be post a clip from me and Kevin's conversation today. Cause it's really good. And yes, big things are happening. Always. I'm so glad you're here. I hope big things are happening. I want to quickly give everybody a really good technique that I might have given earlier that I forget to calm yourself and calm your brain.

And this is a great centering technique. It was actually used by Burt Goldman who has a quantum leaping course on Mindvalley. The subject of today's episode with the great Kevin Michel. He's the author of so many great books including Moving through parallel worlds, your world shifts, subconscious mind wealth, he's written a lot of books, the man is a book.

Burt Goldman said in order to get into a very relaxed state, you have to, he uses part of what is the the Jose Silva Mind Methodology, which is just basically using your own brain yourself to a really good state. And, while this might sound high level, sound scientific, Jose Silva, the Jose Silva Mind Methodology, which is just basically using your own brain to get yourself to a really good state.

might sound [00:06:00] stupid, but I do believe that we're naturally given all the tools we have to succeed. We don't need a lot of outside shit. And usually the more simple something is, the more effective it is. So here is the technique. You count down, You say three three times, two three times, But you say it like this.

Listen to me. Get yourself grounded and say the following. Three. Three. Three. Two. Two. Two. One. One. One. Already you're feeling a little bit better, aren't you? I am. Shit. That is so that we can drop you out of, I believe it's alpha mind, which is the monkey mind, which is the like, I got to do this. I got to do that.

I got to do this. I got to get my friend at LAX today. Holy shit. Why did I do that? That was a stupid move. A lot like being like, hey, sure. Yeah, I'd love to go back in time and fight in Vietnam. That sounds great. But just know your ability to drop down into the alpha state is always there and it's always possible.

[00:07:00] So now that we're centered, I'm so excited to be talking about a topic that is blowing up on TikTok. And I know this because Vishkin Lakiani told me on in a YouTube video and he's never wrong, although he always is using tiny little Trump hands in his videos. But I was fascinated before this topic starting really last year.

And also, being on psychedelics, but I think quantum leaping and quantum jumping is truly the most interesting subject and topic because it just shows how we are this in definable mass of greatness that you can mold and shape into anything to become anyone at any point in time. And you all have this ability.

It's absolutely. Incredible. I know so many people who have completely changed their lives. The thing is though like lot of people are doing it, but they just don't say it. Like, hey, I quantum jumped. Everyone has seen the before and after photos in like, workout videos, right?

Where like, I used to look like this big sack of white piece of shit.. I used to look like a big ball of [00:08:00] marshmallows. And then the next, and then the shot is like, he's got a six pack, hat backwards. Dental insurance. And oftentimes, I have found So think about this.

This is a great way of looking at it. Quantum leaping. If you do, in fact, change your body, right? So you make a significant drastic in how you look, you lose weight, you get buff, whatever it is. Okay. You are literally embodying A new version of you. And oftentimes when that happens, other new things in your life come into.

So again, a question I ask in this podcast that I think we should all ask ourselves all the time. If this is true, what else is true? I know somebody who just just put her foot down and said, I'm going to be a staff writer. She was doing multiple jobs in Los Angeles and she just said, I'm quitting everything.

I'm going all in on becoming a staff writer. Boom. One year later, she was a successful staff writer. She still is. And she just decided, this is who I am now. And perfect timing. There's a wonderful new movie coming out on Netflix called [00:09:00] Hitman, directed by my favorite director and the coolest human being alive, Richard Linklater, starring Glenn Powell.

And it's all about this former teacher in Texas who used to go undercover as a hit man. This is true. And he would embody all these different people, He would basically become the hitman that the person who wanted to kill someone wanted them to be, right? So if it was like a Russian, he was a Russian hitman.

If it was like, a redneck, he was a redneck hitman. And the entire through line of the movie, because it's Richard Linklater, and it's always subtle, and it's always deep, is, Who are you really? Who the hell are you really? And what can you become? And the answer is anything and everything, and it's so exciting.

I will say this. I do think more paths and more things are oftentimes aligned than others. Do I think that everybody should quit their job right now and pursue a full time job as a knight at medieval times? No, I don't. I don't. But that's somebody's dream. I think that if you're going to [00:10:00] embody a state that's more aligned, it will more quickly come to you.

That's what I think. But it doesn't mean that you can't embody that state. It doesn't mean that you can't decide tomorrow that you're a fucking magician. Because you are. I mean, think alone what visualization is. Visualization is literally you thinking about a version of yourself that is not right now.

So that's crazy. That is quantum jumping. It doesn't have to be this big thing where it's like, and then I took a quantum jump and all of a sudden and God damn it. All of a sudden I own my own cigar factory in Cuba. No, it can be subtle. It can be different, it just shows it's all about your focus.

It's all where you put your attention to create the life of your dreams. Burt Goldman says in his Mindvalley course, a lot of times, like you have to walk through the quantum door, become aligned with that version of you that absolutely already exists. So that's a key part of quantum mechanics and quantum physics is you start from the premise that that person, that version [00:11:00] of you already exists.

And he talks a lot. Kevin today talks a lot about the double slit experiment, which basically says, like, Matter has no meaning until you put focus and attention on it. And this is something that Bruce Lipton talked a lot about last week, too, as well. And that it can often split into trillions of different things based on the attention that's putting, being put on it.

Let's be honest, you all kind of know this already. You got that feeling in your stomach, that deep feeling that you think, There's a version of me, right now, that could easily, easily, be. Mispronouncing every single word in that language. I want you to see your life as this beautiful, never ending, blank canvas.

Where I think a lot of us have been seeing our life as a timeline. I was born in Idaho, I then moved to New York, and then I moved to Austin, and now I am in Washington. Wow, you covered every state in America. And that's my life! But really In all of those moves, and in every second, see a [00:12:00] thousand timelines splitting out into every different direction.

And if that stresses you out, don't do that. Take a gummy. that stresses you out, just know that what's hopeful about that is you can never get it wrong. There's nothing wrong and the universe will always give you the best possible timeline and options based on the choices you're making anyways.

So it's all good, but just know you're never stuck and know, know that things can change. And I think what's such a good example of the quantum jumping I believe in is the movie Groundhog Day, which we talk about in this episode. And I basically say like, he can't leave the repetitiveness. Repetitiveness of his life that he's literally stuck in that so many people feel especially people who have depression Like shit is never changing He can't leave that life until he chooses to be a more actualized version of himself And he quantum jumps into the version of himself.

That is A [00:13:00] chiropractor, an ice sculptor, somebody who is kind to strangers, somebody who is great at the piano. He becomes a full version of himself, but nothing, his circumstances didn't change. He didn't necessarily have to go and fly to Spain. He just became A quantum new person. So, that's pretty awesome.

Alright, well, this episode's great. We're gonna get it going. So excited you're here. Here is Kevin Michel. 

Speaker 3: All right, everybody, welcome to a brand new episode of Spiritual Asshole. I'm so excited to be joined by Kevin Michel. He is an author of some amazing books, including Moving Through Parallel Worlds to Achieve Your Dreams and Subconscious Mind Wealth.

Kevin, how are you doing? 

Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic. Great to be here. Great show. I'm excited. 

Speaker 3: I'm so excited to have you. Everything you talk about is like what I'm super into now. So you talk a lot about the hero's journey, but what if your life feels more like a plumber's journey, 

Speaker 2: a plumber's journey, [00:14:00] but I mean, there's, there's the hero's journey in, in everything we do, you know.

Obviously, you know, when we talk about the hero's journey, we think of that sort of classic movie archetype of, you know, the hero starts up living the ordinary life, the ordinary life of the plumber and faces some challenge at some point and an obstacle which he or she is reluctant to get into and says, Oh no, you know, I don't want to get involved in this.

Don't give me the ring. You know, I just want to live my comfortable life. And then the hero gets drawn in reluctantly. And hopefully at the end, well that's what makes it a hero's story and that's what we all try to do, hopefully at the end the hero is triumphant against all odds and I mean that's that's everybody's story isn't it?

Speaker 3: Yeah so did we just tell the story of Super Mario Brothers? 

Speaker 2: That's, I mean, yeah, it's also, it's, it's so many movies too, right? Cause that's, I mean, that's just like the classic archetype , it's obviously, you know, art, mirror in life, you know, just seems ideal. And 

Speaker 3: yeah, it's amazing how. All of your work I think I'm now seeing like such a cool [00:15:00] through line because we'll get to parallel universes but one thing that I think is so cool what you said and this is something that I haven't realized so recently like in order to quote answer the call of your own life it's going to involve taking risks.

What happens if we don't do that? We just live a zombie life? 

Speaker 2: well, if we don't take risks, first of all, it's risk seems to be something that's thrust on us no matter what we do. Certainly, danger and challenge is something that's thrust on us no matter what we do. And, uh, in many ways, You know, if we do nothing, we might face even greater challenges.

So there isn't a part of the joy and the fun of this existence that we've come into is that, there's no avoiding the challenges there. If you don't go looking for them, they're going to come looking for you. And I think, especially, from psychology, we know that that sort of approach motivation where you say, you know what, bring it on, I'm, I'm going after this thing, I'm doing what I want. , that tends to, drive a lot more of that dopamine, a lot more of that, serotonin, that feeling of yes, status, I'm going to do this. I can handle this. And, it [00:16:00] really is just a question of what approach do we want to this life? Do we want to be, you know, I'm just going to hide it back in the corner of my cave and wait for the challenge to come find me, or, you know what, I'm going to, grab my spare or whatever my my weapon of choices.

These are all metaphors. And yeah, of course, take take things head on. 

Speaker 3: Yeah. So how can we use the hero's journey template to sort of further our lives to benefit our lives? Like how can we use it? 

Speaker 2: I think we can Certainly when we think about, and maybe I could even start tying it a little bit to move into parallel roles.

Yeah. Think of this ideal dream, this ideal vision that one has for their life, whatever is one wants to accomplish or, or whatever the life is one would like to. live. That's sort of, that's what we could say. That's what the hero is going for. That's the, that's the purpose, right? And I want to say we all have that.

Some of us certainly feel like we don't have it, but then that's our job to create it, to decide what our mission is and to, to set that out there and to, you know, And then we go, it's [00:17:00] improbable odds. If we've set a big enough or an audacious enough goal, we've, we've created this , situation where it's, it doesn't look like victory is the, the certain outcome.

certainly if we took a poll of our friends and our family and we said, Hey, do you think I can achieve this big thing? I think, unfortunately many of them would say, no, I don't think so. And which is probably, you probably shouldn't ask for permission and you shouldn't be taking a poll of, Hey, do you think I can do this?

You, you set that big vision. You. Confront the improbable challenges. And, uh, you know, you deal with the dragons and the demons and the angels along the way. 

Speaker 3: Yeah. I think to tie it into parallel universes, I think what I was thinking is that when you take on these risks and when you decide to step outside of your, what I would call groundhog day existence, where like every day can sometimes feel the same.

I feel like that's when you start dipping into a new reality. Like now you are. jumping into a new Parallel [00:18:00] reality that you never have seen, have you not taken those risks? So what do you think about that idea? 

Speaker 2: That's interesting. I, I actually, I, I'm so distracted by the fact that you referenced Groundhog Day because I'll segue a little bit here, but you don't know.

Let's talk about it. Yeah. I always referenced 

Speaker 3: that movie. Yeah. 

Speaker 2: You know how we all have these, uh, I don't know if we all do. I certainly do. We all have these movies that we probably watch a million times. Yeah. Maybe there's, I know for, for me anyway, and probably for a lot of people, it's like, uh, probably the Matrix.

Inception is another one for me. and, so the reason why, uh, what I'm going to is Groundhog Day. You've seen the movie Edge of Tomorrow, the Tom Cruise one. Yes. 

Speaker 3: Yeah. same idea. 

Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's, uh, that's, that's one of my, that's on my list of like movies I've seen 50 times because it's just, it has that feeling of like, you know, I'm, I'm going through my mundane existence as you just, you just mentioned.

And it's some of the challenges that we face every day are, are very similar, but in slightly different forms. And we have this ideal end goal and just the, the, what they do with the characters. arc in that [00:19:00] movie, where at points where he's just kind of locked in and focused and not thinking about anything else.

And at other points where he's, you know, caught up in love and caught up in triviality and making mistakes. And, I'm sorry, I got sidetracked on that, that Groundhog's Day reference, but, um, it just, I think it more closely, almost mirrors , our, our lives, you know, cause you going to get up tomorrow.

And for a lot of us, it's, the nine to five job. And we kind of, we, at some level know what we're going to expect from our, our coworkers and from the people on, on the, in traffic or on the bus or wherever it is. And it's, you know, how do we rise up? Tomorrow to be better than we were today. And obviously making that comparison with our own self and, and, uh, making those improvements.

Speaker 3: Yeah. So, yeah, that's just kind of what I was thinking just about parallel reality. So what gave you the idea for this book? And it's awesome that everything, everywhere, all at once, he said the director's. Read your book. I love that movie. That movie has like started my journey down this idea of [00:20:00] like, Oh yeah, we're fully, absolutely in the multiverse that and drugs really helped me.

But, um, so how did you get this idea? And can we talk, let's just talk about it. 

Speaker 2: Yeah. so moving through parallel worlds, draws. literally, and I would say metaphorically on this idea of, the quantum multiverse. Yes. Which we know is that interaction where quantum particles, these, you know, electrons come into contact with, uh, macro particles.

And we have based on the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics, we have the concept that the world splits into multiple versions of itself. People initially feel quite Uncomfortable with that idea, but I like to think of our reality as being, much more informationally based, almost, almost as if we each of us is like a, a computer processing information processing, you know, the matrix, if you will, to use a more classic idea.

You know, based on how we choose where we set our end [00:21:00] goal, what we choose to focus on, how we choose to process that information, we're going to have multiple potential unfolding paths. one can choose to take that in literally and, and certainly the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics as, put forward by, by you Everett and, um, I think Sean Carroll talks a lot about it now.

certainly there is some way to take it very literally, but. Metaphorically, it's also extremely powerful and it starts to overlap with the law of attraction of, you know, what you focus on expands and, and where you put your Attention is important and where you set the end goal where you set the future, almost works backwards in time to determine your present.

Speaker 3: Yes. 

Speaker 2: so it is just, it's a fun theory. I think it's great for the, you know, the science nerd in us, to take it quite literally and to really be like, Hey, let me take a look at a double slit experiment and fun things that the particles do. But just metaphorically, it is, quite a powerful tool.

and also, uh, I guess even there's probably, we're talking about it scientifically and then talk about it metaphorically, but there's also an [00:22:00] in between too, which is, I think, Psychology really hits on this where, you have things in psychology like, expectancy theory, where, you know, if you expect to get a certain reward for behavior that leads to the production, higher production of things like dopamine, and then that almost creates gives you the energy to move forward.

So it's the very creation of the goal of this big, you know, big hairy audacious goal. In and of itself, you could say works backwards in time to give you that that energy and that that that dopamine to keep moving forward in face of obstacles and through dark caves and against dragons and all that stuff.

So 

Speaker 3: many dragons. Yeah, I guess I've just started seeing it as like, Oh, wow. I thought like I had a fixed reality where it's like, I'm on this path. This is like the choices I'm making. It's just kind of what I'm doing. And then through like, you know, movies, like everything, everywhere all at once and stuff, I've started realizing like there's a million different.

[00:23:00] Possibilities at any given second and the universe will bend over backwards if you keep your mind set on what you just said, like the end goal, which is true in that your whole reality will shift. So what does it actually look like when you live your life? You personally, do you feel like you're moving and shifting through realities?

Like, how do you use this? 

Speaker 2: it's an interesting thing. I, I want to say because maybe this is even at some level a disclaimer, I, because I've gone through so many different books, I sort of write like, I guess, I don't know what the term is in literature, but I write like a method actor would work, right?

So if I'm writing a book on moving through parallel worlds, I am fully absorbed in that, like when I wrote that book, I, you know, I quit my job, I locked myself in my basement for like six months, and I just, I lived and breathed, you know, the quantum physics and the psychology and the epigenetics and all that.

And that was very intense. And I, you know, I practice every step of that and the subconscious and the meditation and all that. And then I [00:24:00] got onto my next book, which was, um, the greatest player, which was about treating life as a game you know, you know, being physically fit and expecting challenges and thinking of opponents and this and that.

and just fully lived in that space for a while. And now I've got some other books, which, are a little bit darker as I was telling you. I sent you an email. I said, well, should we talk about this, these books? and then some other books, which I dealt with, uh, more recently, which are a little bit darker talk about power and things like that.

which I think might have just come out of just, you know, like the challenges we all 2022. so yeah, your question, but anyway, let me actually answer your question. so how do I apply? I applied in many ways. One of my favorite ways that I applied is in whenever I'm faced with a tough situation and I don't know how it's going to go, I always try to operate under the idea that it's going to go both ways.

So if, when I try to make a decision that. I guess in game theory, this is like the, the optimized, uh, [00:25:00] outcome. I try to make a decision, Hey, no matter how things go, I might set myself up now to be in the best possible position so that that affects, like how I take certain risk. Because the, the theory saying that, you know, many possible outcomes are gonna occur.

So how do I set myself up? So no matter how this unfolds, I'm prepared. And that might apply for a job interview, you know, so what if I show up for the job interview and, you know, the interview is very friendly. How do I handle that? Do I put my guard down? Do I disconnect? Do I do this? What if the interviewer is hostile?

You know, how do I handle that? So in preparing for an interview, I would be saying, Hey, let me make sure all of these possible worlds I'm prepared to deal with. while at the same time, I'm, I'm I'm sort of building and planting the idea of what I want, that vision in the future. realizing that, you know, just that the creation of that vision, leads to almost an entanglement with the present moment and, and locks me in.

it shifts the probability in some way towards. That direction. And, and [00:26:00] we know that, talk about shifting the probability by how we, we, we place our focus. That's just such a thing that, uh, attention does. I mean, to use a more of a, a cliche reference, it's like, you know, if you, when you go and you buy a yellow Toyota, and then the next day you're out on the road and it's like, suddenly you notice all the yellow Toyota's and that's just sort of classic law of attraction stuff, I guess.

Right. 

Speaker 3: Right. For sure. Yeah. So it's funny, like when you were describing how you write books. Like going all in and you're like, now I'm in, I'm all about parallel realities. Now I'm all about the game. And you, you have this other book too about princes. I was like, yeah, to me that is parallel realities.

Cause you're like, now I'm going to be all about parallel realities and I can shift my entire focus and embody this person that knows and does this. Do you see what I'm saying? And like 

Speaker 2: method 

Speaker 3: acting too is a great example. Like now I'm Abraham Lincoln. Okay. But what I'm saying is that like, we have the ability to do this with everything.

And it's mind blowing to me. Like, I, I think that's the [00:27:00] coolest thing I've discovered in the last two years. 

Speaker 2: That's a fascinating take on it. I didn't, even think of it as exactly like that, but it makes perfect sense that, you know, when you take on a different project, you sort of, you know, You know, act as if I guess that that really is become begin to be now who you'll be there after you just kind of step into that state.

And, I mean, there are so many challenges we face where that is exactly the thing that's needed just kind of. You know, in a moment, just saying, Nope, this is who I am. This is who I need to be at this moment to meet this current challenge. Cause that's the thing about life, you know, we think, all right, we're going to face one challenge after another and one opportunity after another.

And we might think we need to be the same person and we have to develop into this ideal state to become some ideal person to get through all these challenges, but. You often have to be a different person in every to overcome every challenge or, or, or drawn different aspects of, of, of yourself. So then we're not just, I guess we could say I'm making stuff up now, we're not just moving through worlds but we're [00:28:00] in some ways and very much like that movie we're drawing on bits from each of the different worlds that we've had to step into to create sort of this fullness of self which, you know, would be, I guess, The ideal, ideal self, ideal state.

So it's, we don't just pursue the ideal parallel world. I guess we have to be the ideal parallel self. I'm just making stuff up now. I think, no, no, that's, that's, this will be our next book. We'll work on it. I love it. I love it. Let's 

Speaker 3: write this book. No, that's what I was just going to say is like, I think ultimately I've decided like you have to embody the parallel world and I took this Actually from something that Seinfeld said like 10 years ago because I do comedy and he goes Comedy is a pirate profession one day.

You just wake up and you say i'm a pirate You don't no one's gonna tell you that you're a comedian You have to just do it and be it and if you wait for the world to tell you that you're these things It usually doesn't work. It's 

Speaker 2: just 

Speaker 3: half. Yeah, you have to embody it like The more I cared about what people thought about me as a [00:29:00] comedian, usually the worse and more insecure I was about being a comedian.

Now, I don't even think about it. I'm a comedian, but because I made that choice first, not because the world told me that. 

Speaker 2: That's fascinating. Is the going on stage as a comedian? Is there a bit of a shift? Do you play one character one day? Not obviously full swing, like impersonation, but is there a shift on?

Do you change a little bit of who you are to, Have an impact on a particular group? Or is it just like, no, this is Brendan's bit. That's a 

Speaker 3: great question. I mean, that's another good example of like you become kind of like this alternate version of yourself because you just, I'm constantly adjusting to the crowd, but like, like I just said, though, I also want to set the tone.

I don't want the crowd to set my tone, but yeah, sometimes I'm like, I'm crazy guy and sometimes I'm like, I'm quiet guy, but you just kind of, and you just see how malleable you are. But I think a lot of comics are playing heightened versions of themselves, like. Tracy Morgan is an example of somebody who I don't think is that loud all the time.[00:30:00] 

Or Chris Rock, even like he's gotten more subdued, but he's not running around his house screaming about race. Like you have to heighten it for the stage. And that's another great example of like, and literally embodying something else to achieve your goal. 

Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't tell you this , when I was in university, so this is like, must be 20 years ago, but I did stand up for, um, I did stand up in quotes, obviously, for probably about two years, I actually thought.

Oh, no way. That's awesome, man. Actually, I thought I was doing like towards the end of it. I was for my university audience. That's obviously a very niche audience. I was doing like an hour. Oh my God. Probably. I mean, it probably wasn't that funny, but it was, you know, the fact that people, you know, as a comedian, people will tolerate you for an hour.

You're doing okay. Yeah, 

Speaker 3: forever, bro. That's amazing. 

Speaker 2: But, uh, I guess that's a little bit of, of the shifts in the world as well, and me kind of adjusting to, , whatever the challenges, but, , yes, I, I do have just a great admiration for, comedians. 

Speaker 3: So you said this thing on your Instagram that I think is pretty much sums up all of existence. No big deal. [00:31:00] You said the most important thing I think anyone could say, you said endless possibilities exist just beyond your belief system.

Good God. So how do we get past our belief system? 

Speaker 2: That's a great one. that may be the most difficult challenge. 

Speaker 3: Yes. Because I think it's the only challenge. He's only 

Speaker 2: interesting in an interesting way. I think it's the, I 

Speaker 3: think it's always you versus you. Like if we go back to the hero's journey. It's always like Neo finally believing in himself enough to push him past to the hero stage.

Speaker 2: That's fascinating. And then, and towards the end there, I mean, everybody interprets the Matrix a little bit differently, but a lot of, one of the theories is that Neo and, Agent Smith are actually like the same person that, that it's like the yin and yang of, of, Yes. But the challenge there, you said, with that question of getting over your belief system, the, the, The tough part is that it's, you know, it's like a fish in water.

It's, it's hard to see your own flaws, right? And you think, [00:32:00] oh, well, this is the thing that I have to change to achieve my, my dreams. But, Maybe it's this whole other thing that you're blind to. Cause I mean, if you weren't blind to weakness in yourself, maybe you would have changed it already. Maybe you wouldn't have even had that weakness if you could see it.

it takes I mean, it takes a certain level of, of, of competence to realize your incompetence. And it might take a certain level of, , enlightenment or learning to. And realize where you're not enlightened and, and not well, you know, learned. so that's, what's your take on, on how one overcomes?

I'm like trying to solve this puzzle too. How does one overcome? No, I mean, this is, this 

Speaker 3: is like, this is the ultimate, I think I literally think it's your only mission in life because you're never going to stop getting quote challenges, but it's how you respond to them. So it's always your perspective on them.

And so I think it's like, I mean, dude, this is like constantly what I'm talking to everybody about is like, how do you [00:33:00] overcome? Because the number one question. Okay. So let's go back to these movies really quick. matrix groundhog day Truman show. I just was talking about this 

Speaker 2: Yes. 

Cast away. All four of those, all of these are all of my favorite movies.

Speaker 3: And I'm like, what's the theme of this, these movies. And is number one theme, can you leave your own prison? Can you leave the own prison that you created with your mind? And I think that that's the like, cause all like, if the universe is infinite, which it is, then what's holding you back. It has to be you, unless you believe in a karmic God, that's like, You can't do this, but that that's, I think, totally not true.

And I was raised with that thinking. Now I see it as completely infinite with endless possibilities. So then if you're not reaching the infinity. There is a 99. 9 percent chance it's because of your own prison. That's fascinating. 

Speaker 2: I know that makes perfect sense. I guess one of the ways we break free of our prisons certainly would be like a [00:34:00] conversation like this.

It certainly would be, you know, obviously reading some great thinkers and, , You know, that's one of the reasons I guess people find mentors and, you know, if I sit here and I read Aristotle or, or, or Plato or, or even some of the, the more traditional, more modern thinkers, you know, that gives me a little hint of getting outside of, of my own world.

And maybe they can point something else out to me, or I can draw something from their philosophy. And then, we certainly know we're a product of both, you know, nature and nurture. Yeah. If we say that part of. If nature, I guess would be defined as the environment and part of that quote unquote environment is includes the ideas we get exposed to so, you know, if we read a great thinker and we get some of their great ideas and we've in some way changed our environment and, so I guess that's one way to get out of our own prisons is to explore other people's prisons, I guess.

Yeah, well, that's 

Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I'm like, I'm obsessed with this topic because like, I want to break through. All of my limiting [00:35:00] shit. So like, 

Speaker: yeah. 

yeah. So you also have written a lot about how life is like a game. If life was a board game, what board game would it be? Would it be twister operation?

Speaker 3: What are you feeling? Twister 

Speaker 2: operation. Can you imagine? Oh no, I can't afford that. Uh, the healthcare, but, um, let's see. let's see. there's, I'm sure there's a full bit there because no, like, you know, if it is like operation, you know, I don't know how you're going to. That's a real, we need a comedian to write the joke, but there's a joke somewhere in there.

Speaker 3: Somebody just operating on themselves. Yeah, 

Speaker 2: exactly. Just 

Speaker 3: bleeding a lot, it's fine. Somewhere 

Speaker 2: along those lines. so, wait, I'm sorry, I lost the question, I'm being so silly. 

Speaker 3: No, no, no, that was more of a joke question. I guess, so like, how, how If 

Speaker 2: laugh was a board game. 

Speaker 3: How is treating life like a game?

How can we use this to our advantage? Because I have found that usually when I'm like the saddest or in the darkest places, it's when I started taking everything so seriously. And I don't think that we're supposed to be taking everything so seriously at all. 

Speaker 2: I think the person I go to this, a lot for, and, it's, it's [00:36:00] Alan, Alan Watts.

I know. Yeah. Yeah. Cause, he definitely, you know, has this idea of, You know, just sort of enjoying the ride. He tells the story of, of the bus driver who's just, you know, he could, the bus driver could go to work and he could just be like, all right, I got to do this route. I got to make this stop and just kind of go through the motions or, or the bus driver could choose to see like the magic in it and try to enjoy each turn and enjoy each shift of the gear and enjoy, you know, every possible challenge and in its different, forms.

and you know, that, uh, gamification, I guess is the term it, it just makes it, it brings an appeal. You know, I, I think of. I was talking to, my, my, my older brother who, played, you know, NCW basketball, like, this is like decades ago, but Oh, nice. I was telling him, because he obviously wanted to play, professional sport.

And when I was a kid as well, I thought I wanted to play professional sport as well. Well, I wasn't as good, but, you know, I asked like him, like, why do we enjoy Why do we enjoy this thing so much? Because a lot of people who've wanted to play professional sport, they would do that job for free if they could like that's how much fun you have.

And I think you go out onto the field, you're like, you're sweating, you're exhausted, [00:37:00] you're being bruised, you're being tackled, you're being, you're going through like every sort of traumatic physical thing, but yet it's like one of the most enjoyable things in the world. And you think, , well, what if we take that approach to life?

Because in life, we're certainly being tackled and we're certainly being challenged and we're certainly, you know, sweating and facing obstacles and trying to score goals. But, you know, sometimes we get scored on and it's like, there's just something about gamification and, you know, switching the narrative from like, oh, this is this, how am I gonna, You know, you know, pay the rent and how am I going to do this and move hair and this and that to like, Oh, wow.

Let's see how this is going to play out. What a challenge I've found myself in. Let's see, let's see which way this is going to go. and then, you know, tie that to that inner belief of, well, yeah, you know what, I've been playing this game for however many years and, you know, I'm still in the game and I'm still, I've overcome every challenge before.

So, you know, I'd bring it on and let's see, you know, let me not, not only am I going to score this goal, but I bet you it's going to be a, you Beautiful to watch as well. And, and then you step into the [00:38:00] role of both, player and spectator. You're, you're on the field and then you're in the stands as well, just taking it all in.

Yeah. I think a big adjustment for me is like, I used to be so obsessed with the outcome of the game. And I think the more that I just realized the point is just the game. And that's enough. That makes me feel a lot happier versus like, did we win? Did we lose? It's like, but it's the thrill of the game the whole time.

Speaker 3: That is actually what is exciting. 

Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, Dr. Wayne Dyer, um, you know, rest his soul. Um, he talks about, yeah, he's fantastic, wasn't he? He's the 

Speaker 3: best. 

Speaker 2: he talks about, the, the, he uses the metaphor of the dance where, you know, when you're in a dance, you're not thinking, Hey, I'm trying to get to this part of the dance floor.

It's like, you kind of enjoy every moment of it and every, every beat and every, uh, twist and turn. And, you know, yeah, that's a, that for me is another, just a great metaphor of what you just said, which is enjoying the moment and realizing that. The thing is the thing itself, the now is, is sort of the eternity, which you have to enjoy and appreciate.

And, whether it's, you know, whether you're in the dark part of the cave or [00:39:00] you're stepping out into the light, it's like, you saw, there's still a lot to appreciate in that very existence and 

Speaker 3: yeah, for sure. one type of people who are really enjoying the game are rich people.

And that's, do you think rich people treat life like a game? Because they're always getting, get out of jail, free cards. Oh my god. All 

Speaker 2: right. All right. That's good. That's good That's a good that's a good bit that's a good bit It's so funny. 

Speaker 3: So another really cool thing that you said This was recently when your mind ceases to roam and it Learns to reside in the present and find itself not in a barren wasteland, but in a fertile ground Where the seeds of intention can be sown, where the fruits of action can be reaped.

How, how do you personally get into the present moment? How can we do this more? 

Speaker 2: That's an interesting one. I don't know that I Well, yeah, this is a probably a, you know, not a very guru thing to say, but a lot of what I've written, I struggle to apply. That's fine. That's honest. It's great. You know, I, cause I, I do know that I'm not as much in the now as I'd like to be.

[00:40:00] I'm always just thinking about, Oh, you know, you know, this next book is gonna, you know, sell this many copies or this next project I do is going to be big. And I'm sort of always developing, you know, My skills, I guess, to set myself up for the future. But, but that's exactly it. I do think I'm constantly focused, very long term and I could, and we all could, , do more to just, , savor the present.

Speaker: Um, 

Speaker 2: cause you know, we talk about, yeah, well, that's where the seeds are planted. Yeah, that's, that's where the seeds are planted. That's in and of itself, the present moment is its own eternity. And it's, it's, you know, one, one could argue if time is itself is even continuous, or if it is just these discontinuous bits and we have to enjoy, each, each of those, the, the essence of.

yeah, we, so we have to both reap the fruits, both, reap from what we've planted in the past and, and realize that we also have to, so for the future. So it's, it's critically important and, , it's something that we all could be, , better at. I know certainly I could, could be better. 

Speaker 3: [00:41:00] Yeah, I know. I mean, that's, that's.

That's the big one because I think we kind of touched on a little bit when you're talking about dancing. It's like, yeah, that is where everything's at because all there is is now, but it's, do you find yourself thinking more about the past or the future in general? 

Speaker 2: The past certainly is, a scarier or a more, Risky place, I think, to dwell.

I think so, too. 

Speaker 3: I agree completely. And I've caught myself recently realizing how much I think about the past, and I want to do that a lot less. 

Speaker 2: , one of the, the big ideas certainly related to the past, this is, from probably a more controversial, thinker, Dr. Jordan Peterson. Oh, yeah. He said that, You know, if you still, if you have a memory from the past that sort of stuck with you, it means that you still haven't figured out a way to overcome that challenge if you face it again.

So if you, yeah, no, I'm still thinking about yesterday. If you're still thinking about the dragon you faced yesterday, it's because, you know, you don't know if that same dragon came around again, if you'd be able to handle it. and that one of the ways to move forward to, to get to the now [00:42:00] from the past, is to.

to actually reflect on it and to say, okay, well, here's how I could have handled that differently. And here's how I will handle that in the future. Because, a lot of, a lot of classic lines here, lessons get repeated until they are learned. if we, if you struggled with that dragon yesterday, yeah, it's, it's, it'll be there tomorrow.

And on the beautiful thing is not only will it be there tomorrow, you won't even, Recognize it at first. You'd be like, Oh, this is a different, uh, track. Then you realize, Oh no, I didn't learn. I didn't fully learn that lesson. That I, 

Speaker 3: yeah. 

Speaker 2: And moving parallel worlds though. So let me just wrap it up and move through parallel worlds.

I do offer an idea which, or maybe I say that in the, in your world trips, but I do offer this idea that, we do actually have the option and it's not an option to be taken lightly to rewrite the past. 

Speaker: Yes. 

Speaker 2: Our goal is to get into the now. It's to seize our power, our power to craft a beautiful, great future.

And if you have to tell yourself a different story about what happened, it's a [00:43:00] dangerous road to go down, but sometimes it's necessary for some memories. you, you may have to, you may have to alter them. You may have to, or at least see them from a different light, from a different angle. In order to move forward because that's the goal.

The goal is about the present and the goal is about, well, I was going to say the goal is about the future. That's certainly how I see things if I'm being honest, but, the biggest one certainly is the present. Yeah, 

Speaker 3: no, I actually love that. And Neville Goddard has a whole technique called revisionist revision history where you just go back.

And to me, as long as no one's getting hurt, as long as you're not like, no, I didn't hurt you. Like, as long as. Yeah. Because so many things are perspective for like for me a memory that still kind of haunts me is I was in a writer's room for a show that I feel like I didn't do that well and it's like but who is actually benefiting from me criticizing myself from that experience and that's just my perspective of it 

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, 

Speaker 3: but that's so many things that in life is like looking back Who's to say that you were even right about that experience?

Speaker 2: [00:44:00] Interesting. Yeah. 

Speaker 3: Yeah. No, 

Speaker 2: there's, there's something, there's something there. Yeah. I almost hesitate, I almost hesitate with it because I think we both can see it. , because, cause you gave the example of, yeah, as long as you're not like writing off some harm you did to someone else or trying to, yeah.

Like I'm not 

Speaker 3: saying that. 

Speaker 2: Yeah. so it is, uh, I want to say that's an advanced technique and, and one should, one should be very careful. Tread 

Speaker 3: lightly. All right, cool. So one more question and then we'll play a quick game. So how do you think that we can actually like currently right now jump to a new reality?

And this is a question that everybody asks when they're standing at Taco Bell. 

Speaker 2: Okay. Um, I'm getting, I'm getting the visuals of that. All right. It's good. Taco Bell. Taco Bell is still, it's still the punchline or has that been updated? 

Speaker 3: I know it's a good question. I mean, it feels a little bit. I think 

Speaker 2: it's Chipotle now.

I don't know. 

Speaker 3: Really? Out here it's Del Taco is like, is worst. Yeah. Is worse. Taco Bell. 

Speaker 2: That's hilarious. So your question was, how do we, how do we make that shift? Was that it? Yeah. 

Speaker 3: How do we jump? How do you think we can jump to a new embodying a new reality or what [00:45:00] I like to call like a new timeline that we're really excited about?

so many ways, certainly, well, the biggest way in step one is just defining that reality, you know, knowing what, knowing our destination, knowing what we want to achieve. we also know, and this overlaps with so much of the law of attraction. We know we want to get into that emotional state. You know, you want to get into that, that, that, that winner's mindset or whatever it is, however, you're going to feel at the ideal, you want to feel that now, you don't want to say, Hey, I need to get this relationship.

Speaker 2: So I'll feel whole. You need to feel whole to get that relationship. You need to, that, that pretty much applies for everything. You need that. That confidence in order to ultimately get that top job. You need the belief in yourself as a great student in order to become that great student. So it's, it's, that's set the goal, get into the emotional state.

and then we move into a bit of that, subconscious stuff where we have to, we have to plant that idea. We have to plant, that belief in our mind that it's, it's possible. that it, it. It in some ways already exists. So we, we want to break through that illusion of time in our own [00:46:00] mind. it's possible that already exists.

And I also think it's important to implant in our minds a commitment to the process. So if, if your goal requires, you have to study for, You know, 90 minutes every day at the end of your nine to five job. then you want to also plant in your, your mind, the idea of doing the process, see yourself doing the activity of the day and even bigger senior self loving the activity.

Um, and, and, and it's important when we think about the, the way the mind works, even this idea of pleasure and pain is in many ways, subjective. And if there's something, you know, you have to do to Get across that cave. If you know you have to walk across sharp rocks to get to the other side, and you know that that is the thing that's absolutely necessary, you can quite easily or or with that planted the subconscious mind, you can change your perception, you could decide, you know what, I love walking around along sharp rocks, bring on the rocks, 100%.

And that's going to give you if that's going to get you to where you got to go, you certainly do that. We talked about planting ideas in the subconscious [00:47:00] mind, you know, First thing, when you awake in the morning, that's a great time. There's like a nice little sharp window where your guard, your, your psychological Defenses are kind of down.

And then right before you sleep, you plant that idea, you focus on what you want to achieve. And the mind just kind of dwells on it. this works for studying too. You know, if you study the last 30 minutes before bed, which is kind of hard, cause that's the point in the day where your dopamine serotonin might be lowest, but, right before you get to bed as well, you just take a five minutes.

You plant that idea in there and, you know, subconscious emotions. Clearly defined gold. we make that shift also important. And I think very relevant, in today's world with, with social media. And, it's to decide who you're going to share that goal with, if anyone, because once you start, Once you start sharing your vision of your ideal world with with everyone else, your ideal world starts to get entangled with their worlds and and it almost gets shifted it so it's almost like an, an observation effect in quantum physics but it's now not just.

You observing it. You're now being affected by [00:48:00] everybody else's observations, which is really not what you want. You want to have, you want to observe things in a way that would be ideal for you, that would move you to your ideal parallel world, as I, as I say. 

Speaker 3: That's great. I love that. Alright, well, this has been amazing.

I'd like to close by playing a game called Spiritual or Asshole, where I say some things, you tell me if it's spiritual or asshole, are you down? 

Speaker 2: let's do this. How much, uh, this, this, this is rapid fire. Yeah, this is like, it's, 

Speaker 3: this is going to be like super quick. 

Speaker 2: All right. 

Speaker 3: Spiritual or asshole telling a woman you just met out of the bar.

That's hitting on you. I'm not into you, but in a parallel reality, I think you're very attractive. 

Speaker 2: Oh my God. I mean, that's the asshole and also 

Speaker 3: spiritual or asshole treating life as a game. So you accuse Colonel mustard or murdering professor plum in the conservatory with the candlestick. 

Speaker 2: Um, I, uh, I'm going to say, uh, I'm going to say half asshole, half spiritual.

That first half was spiritual, but the second half, did he do 

Speaker 3: it? I 

Speaker 2: don't know. 

Speaker 3: Who knows? All right. This one's [00:49:00] personal to you. Spiritual or asshole. Self publishing on Amazon. 

Speaker 2: Oh, that's an interesting one. I'm very biased. so I'm going to say, well, how do you call that spiritual? Oh, this is, uh, this is a tricky one.

Cause people are like, what Jeff Bezos? He said, 

Speaker 3: but, 

Speaker 2: uh, because of my bias and I think it's okay if I admit my bias, I'm going to say that that's spiritual. 

Speaker 3: All right. Spiritual or also feeling like you have to go on this journey of life alone. 

Speaker 2: so that's, I want to say, Asshole, because actually I realized I have a, my brain's like trying to stop me from saying the word, but I want to say that because you don't, but you might have to.

so I think if you start off with the idea that, well, that's how it's going to be, then yeah, you're in trouble, but, sometimes you do and, and oftentimes you don't, and oftentimes there's help that, from sources that you might not expect. 

Speaker 3: Love it. Spirits are also saying we're all on a hero's journey and my journey starts at IHOP. 

Speaker 2: That sounds, sounds good. That sounds quite spiritual, I think. 

Speaker 3: All [00:50:00] right, Spiritual Rassel, putting fortunes in other foods besides cookie, like you're at a restaurant, and you're like, Hey, what's in your pulled pork fortune say? 

Speaker 2: Oh, I like that. yeah, that's very spiritual. I like that. Okay. The more fortunes, the better.

Speaker 3: All right, last question I ask everybody, if you could tell people one thing to tell themselves all day long, what would it be? 

Speaker 2: I don't know if I have this advice for everyone. I'll say what runs, what plays in my head and, yeah, that's great. I hope that works. one is just bring it on, um, cause that's like, you know, running across the rocks. I also have the other one, which is, I guess this is the, the agent Smith one, which is the, inevitable, right?

I certainly, I bring, That aspect to a lot of what I'm doing, like, yeah, no, bring it on. And I'm going to win, even though, you know, I probably lose half the time, but I'm going to go in every time with that belief and I'm going to act and, and take the steps necessary to, to win. 

Speaker 3: I love I'm going to win is so good.

All right. Well, this is amazing. You want to tell everybody where they can find you find all your amazing books. 

Speaker 2: , yeah. So, um, I guess key search word [00:51:00] is, uh, Kevin L. Michelle. if you Google Kevin Michelle on Amazon, M I C H E L, it'll definitely pop up. actually Google is so good now.

It'll just give you the whole catalog of, all the other things and random projects I'm working on and good stuff. You're doing so much. Well, this was great, man. Thank you so much. Great. I You made this, the time, was that 40 minutes? The time flew by. Yeah, I know. So fun, 

Speaker 3: man. Good, good, good. All right. I defy someone. The next time you get on a work zoom you don't want to be a part of, raise your hand and say, Oh shit, sorry, I just quantum leaped into this life and I'm not supposed to be here.

Speaker 4: Hehehehe. Keep it going for Kevin Michel. that was so dope. Definitely check him out on Instagram. His handle is at kevinlmichel underscore author You can see all of his books. Also look up Kevin Michel on Amazon and also Google.

It's really great. So yeah, I think the big takeaway I have from this episode, one of the big takeaways I have from this episode is [00:52:00] the idea that life can be a game in a good way. I think also making life fun in a game is another way of stepping outside of it and not taking it so seriously. And taking it so personally when things aren't going well.

So I really like that Kevin sort of brought that whole vibe. And I also love the idea that, hey, You can quantum jump whenever the fuck you want. So thank you so much for being here. I believe all your dreams can come true. I believe there's so much love here for you. I believe that you can quantum leap and quantum jump anytime, anywhere into the life of your dreams.

Have a great week.