Good Boys
Good Boys is a podcast from FOR THEM about two trans guys, Kylo Freeman (actor) and Motti (comedian) reflecting on what it means to be a “good boy."
Coming of age is hard, understanding yourself is hard, what the fuck does it even mean to be a boy? Kylo and Motti challenge each other on their past selves, their journeys now, and how to be good people. They're learning a lot about themselves and figured why not do it in front of the world? What could possibly go wrong!
On Good Boys, the hosts will get up close and personal about the moments in their lives that encourage, challenge and prevent them from being... well... Good Boys. They'll have some help from friends and role models who'll come on as guests and teach them a thing or two.
Good Boys
Pride Post-Mortem
In this pilot episode of Good Boys, Motti and Kylo debrief on all things Pride from Kylo's visit to the Stonewall National Monument to both attending the Dyke March as trans dudes to being Team Aiden.
Good Boys is a For Them podcast co-hosted by Kylo Freeman and Motti, and audio engineered by timalikesmusic. Submit advice questions to goodboys@forthem.com.
So we exist as this, like all encompassing version of every decision that we make.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you think you just fell out of a coconut tree you exist in, the context of which came before you.
Speaker 1:I don't know the full thing. Are we going to diss Kamala on this podcast? Is Kamala a good boy?
Speaker 2:or a bad boy Is quoting her. She's a cop, I'm so done. Good boys.
Speaker 1:Good boys. Um welcome to good boys. Welcome to good boys. The very first episode, the sexiest of the good boys, this no bad boys here yeah well, we'll see. Well, um, who's on this podcast? Who is on this podcast? I know a guy, trans guy, called marty. This is marty marty. He, they, they, he, they, he, they. He is an influential. An influential content creator influencing the masses, but not with product marty's also a comedian and an incredible employee for them thank you so much, carlo, so welcome.
Speaker 2:And and carlo here today, thank you, which maybe one day I'll get to, and another trans guy. I like that we say trans. We say trans guy and not trans man, because maybe that's too scary right now. Uh, carlo, amazing ceo, founder, actor, entrepreneur, um, pronounced that way, specifically uh, and just like ceo and founder for them.
Speaker 1:I realize now in my instagram name it says trans, non-binary. That's also for the same reason.
Speaker 2:I'm scared, because you're scared, I still I still feel I feel like connected to, like trans, non-binary still, because I've got the they, them in there and I like a little bit of a wiggle room it allows I'd say I also just feel very fluid as a but then you can be fluid as a trans guy, absolutely. Yeah, I don't know. I'm still like a trans guy lesbian. I'm really not ready to let go of lesbian Dyke.
Speaker 1:Dyke is Dyke. Oh my God, dyke is the word Dyke.
Speaker 2:Dyke March, dyke March, dyke March to the dyke march. But I didn't march in the dyke march okay, did you?
Speaker 1:I did. I did this like beautiful in and out. I would like stand by the side, cheer people on. Look at the signs dip in march. You know how was it? How were the vibes? The vibes? Listen, I love the dyke march. It was rightly so. It was. It was heavy, right it?
Speaker 2:was like a protest.
Speaker 1:Um, it was a protest for palestine, which is so important. I felt so, um, I was so glad to be there, but I felt, I mean, the Dykes were always going to do it. It's so important to get out there and do that. You know, maybe Pride is a protest. Pride is a protest, you know, which I've always known, but I feel like this year it was really at the forefront for me. You know, did you find that?
Speaker 2:I did find that, yeah, yeah, like a protest in many ways for Palestine and also like a lot of like, the like, masking and making sure everything's covid safe as well, um and yeah, but I also found that it was celebratory as well. I was able to strike a balance. Uh, were you able to, or did you feel like it was kind of all?
Speaker 1:I struggled to strike a balance, but also I went to this amazing. So so, uh, pride live which is this amazing non-profit focused on queer folks. They um essentially did like launch this, like stonewall national monument, um, and I was lucky enough to go to the opening of that and there was amazing speakers. You know people that were actually at the inception of pride at stonewall talking about. You know how devastating it was, terrifying it was and how far we've come.
Speaker 2:And so katie perry was there, who's not gay, but she was doing a thing and elton john sang, and I just saw yeah, elton john, I'm excited for everyone else not so much.
Speaker 1:Elton was unbelievable. I just sobbed and sobbed. I called my mom. I don't think I was supposed to sorry I called my mom halfway through, she could listen I thought it was like a pivotal moment um, but it was so, it was such a protest and was so emotional and so, you know, celebratory by the end of it and you can go in like any queer person can go in and record their story yeah which is really amazing.
Speaker 1:So I think because I started pride with that event it then coupled me into this idea of, like this is so important.
Speaker 2:I've really got to, like, think about our ancestors and think about you know where we came from and, yeah, and what we've been through you know, yeah, I think a lot of that stuff can get like washed down a little bit when like so many like orgs and monies in it. But I think what I think is really cool and drew cover this for autostraddlecom, um, that like kids when they go on like school field trips to the city now will like have that to go to like as kind of like part of like an educational trip, which I think is really cool, especially when we're considering that the department of education might not exist in a couple of years.
Speaker 1:Um, but I think that's like a really cool thing. Yeah, that's so cool and I think they're trying to make it and like a federal holiday oh cool, stonewall day. Yeah, it'll be. Yeah, you know that's sick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very nice, okay celebratory. Mine was a little less like concrete celebratory. I just I partied okay a little bit, which is like partying with, like my gay and trans friends like that's 100, super fun. I danced a lot yeah are you a?
Speaker 2:dancer. Not well, no, I kind of dance. Britt's a fantastic dancer, I bet. To the point where, like the next day, our friends were like damn, britt really knows how to tear up the dance floor, right, and I'm and I'm just like like moving my shoulders a little bit, um, but that was really fun. Where did you party? We did um. So my friend had a, a pre-game at her apartment for before we went over to the Dyke March, but then afterwards which we didn't have this planned, britt really got the zoomies and was like I want to go to the party that's happening at House of yes, but she had a show to go to. I am not kidding you Went and waited by myself in line outside of House of yes to get door tickets because it was sold out but they weren't selling them until 10 pm, so I literally just stood there until they were ready.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm like you can't just sell them to me right now. And I and I stood there, I and and got tickets because I'm a good boy, because I'm a good boy, I'm a good boyfriend. That is um and then we went and we danced a little bit I love that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I love that we did. We did party, but um, I'm not a party, you know you know, I don't drink, but we did go out and I did dance a little bit. I like to think I can dance, but I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if I just thought you know.
Speaker 2:I bet you can dance. Now that I think about it, maybe not. I'm looking at you, I'm like what's your move?
Speaker 1:I mean it just. I just go with the, with the music. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:I can't twerk, I can, you can twerk. I've got a big old ass.
Speaker 1:And it moves. I cannot. Well, maybe I can, that's not true. I just I don't want to.
Speaker 2:I don't want to twerk, no, of course, but I like to get low.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know yeah yeah yeah, I like to get low. Yeah, you know what is?
Speaker 2:I'm less white than that I feel you know the limbo, I don't know it's very caribbean.
Speaker 1:I haven't seen a black person, limbo personally, I mean. Correct me if I'm wrong no one of my family anyway. Um, actually my, my partner can really dance as well. Oh yeah, that was what actually made me quite attracted to her, you know oh yeah she can really dance and so I believe we're a good dancing couple. Okay, but I'll video it and let you know you can. You're gonna videotape the two of you dancing, yeah, and we're gonna insert it in this moment okay, okay, cool, so that people can see well, that's awesome.
Speaker 2:Um, but pride is over now. Yes, pride is over. I I just want to say rip pride month. You would have loved julia fox coming out as a lesbian. Oh, my god, because I love julia fox coming out as a lesbian I've never been more excited in my life. Wait, you, you have been. And it's when sZA was talking about wearing a strap on you're right, I get.
Speaker 1:I get this excited every day for anyone that is like I'm a lesbian yeah, he's a strap, yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2:It's a lot of strap talk this summer there's a lot of strap talk from like people you wouldn't expect it from which I guess is a blind spot for me, assigning strap talk to people when I shouldn't be 100 and a lot of like people carrying their straps around in their bags.
Speaker 1:You're seeing this? I hear this. Oh yeah, I just said here. Did you hear that?
Speaker 2:no, I just slipped right I told you that I have a speech impediment with ours, and now you're saying yours.
Speaker 1:I just got american real quick.
Speaker 2:I was like here, I heard, I heard, I heard that it was well, we should do a reverse episode one time where, oh my god, speaking of british, Well, now that I'm on the, I do at home, I do like a New Zealand Australian a lot at home when I hear you do it.
Speaker 1:when I've heard you do it, it's like Australian, new, zealand, british and a little problematic. Just 2%.
Speaker 2:Well, the problematic one was a specific alliteration.
Speaker 1:that was really hard, but Nor, did you just say nor, nor. That's a little bit of Irish.
Speaker 2:I think that's a little bit of Irish. I think that's Australian. Nor is Australian. What is the word no? They put an R at it. It's like N-A-U-R. Nor, no, nor, no, yes, that's Australian.
Speaker 1:That is not Australian. Yes, it is, ask anybody. Oh my God, if any Australian's listening, please confirm this. No, no, that's australian. No, no, no, that's australian.
Speaker 2:Okay, nor well you're doing australian with the british accent.
Speaker 1:Yeah we'll work on it for next time all right.
Speaker 2:Well, um, okay, we have a game, you and I we like to recap we keep up with the news. We we kind of have to with our jobs and also, just like as trans and queer people, we want to know what's going on, um, but but we consume kind of different news, and so what we're going to do is we want to decide who's been a good boy and who's been a bad boy, and we might agree, we might disagree, um, and we've got our nifty little signs, oh yeah. So we're going to do is we're going to read out some headlines that we've seen over the over the week, um, and and decide if someone's a good boy or a bad boy. And it does have, you know, implications. One of the implications, I'm like I don't know.
Speaker 2:We say someone are in that moment and they like drop to hell or something, yeah, so um, here's headline number one. Okay, kendrick, kendrick lamar, not like us boost tam's burgers business by 40.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing yeah, here's a boy, good boy, anything kendrick, anything kendrick. Yeah, you know, I love drake, but good boy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's some things kendrick, bad boy there is let let's go Like I think he hit his wife.
Speaker 1:Well, did he? I don't know? I said I think I don't know it's alleged. Okay, and this is why I'm obsessed, because it's alleged, and in the music video she seems to the family. Yes, she seems to say that. That beautiful piece, yeah, and I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed with it, I'm obsessed with the song, I'm obsessed with everything less even about the beef. It's like okay, but it's a beautiful piece of music and a beautiful piece of content. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 2:I loved it and also so specifically this headline is that him having his music video in compton and doing his hometown stuff also. I saw like some of the leather that was worn by maybe him and other people where it was like a local shop as well. So like, make it big, support local good boy good boy and dunk on drake in the process.
Speaker 2:Next one up john corbett shares career regrets. He says it's been unfulfilling and that he picked the wrong fucking thing to do with his life. Bad boy, I'm devastated. I'm devastated. I mean, like, whatever he needs to do, but like that's my man's. And if he wasn't an actor and didn't have a career in hollywood, like truly so many of his characters, like taught me to be a good boy because he's always like the good husband and good boyfriend this is my guy aiden yeah, and this is me coming out as pro aiden well, I just feel sad about it from an acting perspective.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, because you're an actor. Well, like the amount of actors that would just die to be doing what he's doing, yeah, and I get it. If you don't like it, that's totally fine. Yeah, but like, I feel like his roles are pretty meaty. He gets to be like the sexy hunky top six foot four guy, 100, and if I got to, uh, just hang out, never mind, you know, walk down the street and hold hands with sarah deska parker. Oh, oh, you're into that. Oh, my god, me too.
Speaker 2:He's unreal can I tell you something? Yeah, I, I love sex in the city and my femme like so. On the upper east side femme girlfriend, who like sex in the city was made for, has never seen it and I got to show her last night that because I'm re-watching it. I got to show her the episode where carrie farts in front of big. It's so funny and she was hooked just from that. You started there, though. Well, because that's that's episode 11 of season one, so it's okay, but like I've been watching.
Speaker 2:She doesn't watch it with me, so it's like my thing that I can watch without her around anyway also episode one's very. I mean the pilot is like the pilot's fantastic what you mean the whole, like boom into the camera I love it. You love it. Yeah, yeah, I forget when they stopped doing breaking the fourth wall I feel like it's like episode three or something no, she does it in this episode. She turns to the camera and she goes.
Speaker 2:I was mortified so okay, next headline okay, scientists unveil implant for prisoners to show them memories from their victims perspective okay so here's the thing I think the concept of like being able to show a bad, like someone who a bad boy the bad things that he's done is like. Sure, that's good for empathy, but I don't believe in prison tech and giving more money to prison tech, because I'm an abolitionist and I don't believe in the prison system.
Speaker 1:Totally. I okay, yes and yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm doing, I'm flipping.
Speaker 1:You yeah, yeah, I'm doing okay, you're flipping, okay. I feel like I mean you say not giving to prison tech, but like what are the where? Where is the prison tech? There's none we have such traditional systems of basically just throwing everybody in jail and keeping them there.
Speaker 2:Have you seen?
Speaker 1:oranges in the new black.
Speaker 2:Oh, that documentary, no but there's like tech conventions for like the security and the different weaponry, like it's a, it's an industrial.
Speaker 1:The prison industrial complex is an entire industry, sure, but I feel like this thing if it works well right we have the capacity potentially to keep people out of prison, which is what I would like you know. Okay, that's a really good angle and if we're sure that they've that, they've done something that they need and I think this how are they getting the memories?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't know. Harry potter, ass, shit. Look, it could be fucking damaging. This is the problem when we only have the headline and we haven't read.
Speaker 1:Exactly. This is what people do. This is what some people do to auto-shuttle sometimes, yeah, on social, they read the headline.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they didn't read the thing but also the thing is like for me, for, like the like, factually speaking, scientifically speaking, some like, if it's this is like, say they do this to a serial killer who is like a diagnosed sociopath and cannot experience empathy. I don't think this is gonna work on them, I agree, because they chemically cannot. Yeah. So I'm just curious, if it's like I don't know, also like the, with the law enforcement issues that we have and the prison issues that we have, it's like what are you gonna do? Like have a 16 year old kid, show him the he stole from a bodega and you're like, oh, look at the bodega owner, and he lost six dollars today a hundred percent but then that specific example I feel passionate about because, also, why is the kid stealing from the bodega like let's?
Speaker 1:I mean just exactly, do you mean?
Speaker 2:so I'm like let's, let's help.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's so many layers of stuff that we should support in before we get to prison. But my thing is once, let's say, in a perfect world, we've supported everybody through healthcare and education, and eating food, yeah, and having the just necessity resources, yeah, then yeah, if you do something wrong, I think it's a really good tool. You know, I read a similar thing around um, around this tool being used uh, racism in corporate entities and it's like can we? Can we help people understand and be empathetic about another person's experience?
Speaker 2:with tech and I think that we maybe are getting there, but it's scary because plugging stuff into brains and stuff yeah, it's not well, you know what I just thought of a cool use case for this. Put this little helmet or whatever I'm assuming it's a helmet put it on why you're not doing this put it on cops heads and let them experience the unhoused folks and the folks that they're fucking around with. Marty, that's a good. That's a good thank you. This is thank you. This is that's see.
Speaker 1:That's how to use the technology add that into their six week fucking training a hundred percent. Any of my investors listening you know invest in marty's idea. It's important. No, invest in marty, okay good, I love that.
Speaker 2:Um, next headline yeah, is the lesbian community really suffering from a mask shortage? Wait, so who we? I think so. Let's say so. We're judging the people who are claiming there's a mass shortage. I think right, okay, okay, okay what's yours?
Speaker 2:oh okay, I don't think there is a mass shortage. I don't think so. So either, I know exactly what it is Go. I think it's cis lesbians getting angry and presuming that because there's more trans mask folks who do identify as trans, not just like trans mask, cause you can be like I don't know, there's still some cis lesbian that identify as trans mask. But I think it's cis lesbians assuming that the increase in trans men coming out means that, which is like the turf ideology that like, if there's more trans men, there's less mask cis lesbians, okay and so they're not.
Speaker 1:Are you saying that? They're not saying that there's less, there's, there's a mask shortage, there's just more I think it's people kind of being like all the mask.
Speaker 2:Lesbians are transitioning and there's no more for us because I've heard cis lesbians say this into a microphone, got it um, and so I'm like. I think that's what the fear is, is that they're like they're taking all of our masks.
Speaker 1:No way, yeah, I didn't even consider this at all. Yeah, and this isn't even how I interpreted the mask shortage in general, yeah Well this is me assuming.
Speaker 2:Got it Using things that I've witnessed and like talking points I've heard from like turfy cis lesbians. Got it Of like oh oh yeah, there's no more mask cis lesbians because they're all transitioning and they're all on t now got it and they don't want that what's your interpretation?
Speaker 1:I literally thought it was people saying that there was not enough single yeah, masculine presenting queer folks yeah, well, so that is, and I'm saying that I think they think that because of the increase in transitioning folks, well, I thought it was. I I thought there's. By the way, we're everywhere at all times, so I was like that's not true. And then when I thought why is that, I was like is it because we're only focused on a certain type?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know well, that's what I'm saying, like I don't think they're thinking of you. No, when they're saying mask, they're not thinking of us as masks, like right, they're thinking of like a mass cis, still feminine present, but like mask does, do you?
Speaker 1:know what I mean. I do know what you mean. Yeah, I thought I thought that they would. They were only talking about like the. You know why?
Speaker 2:you're all you know, oh, and I'm sure they are you know, yeah, and I was like there's, we're everywhere in lots of different. Well, there's no studs shortage straight up, straight up into the camera and god straight up and god bless the studs and stems um.
Speaker 1:Okay, next one, here we go.
Speaker 2:You might be aware of this one we spoke up for palestine and got kicked out of the white house pride party, so of it's about a trans woman rabbi who got invited to the White House Pride Party and wanted to decline it but was like actually, let me show up in my ACT UP New York shirt and my shirt that says that I'm pro-Palestine and tried to send a message. She's incredibly brave by the way.
Speaker 2:Incredibly brave. I think it's really kick-ass, yeah, and they were escorted out, which is odd. The two of them, yeah, were they the only two escorted out. Yeah, I think they said some people were like left with them but like it was not like a well-received thing. Yeah, like not everything, because you think of some of the people who are there who are probably like well-intentioned but like I'm not going to go and kind of just did that, I did see jill.
Speaker 1:I didn't like you went to an event, I just went to, yeah, yeah, I mean also the monument.
Speaker 2:I went to see the monument, yeah, and elton and elton, oh elton, yeah, anyway, yeah, well, yeah, good boys, a hundred percent. That's a really cool way to use your privilege and your voice and your power absolutely so slow. So um, next up, david tenant doubles down on support for trans people saying fuck off and let people be.
Speaker 1:Oh david it's a good boy, the best yeah there's not, there's not, there's not much else to say. We love you, david.
Speaker 2:I'm loving the parents, like especially this pride, but like year-round parents. The thing with marlon wayans, oh my god you love that.
Speaker 1:I loved that, yeah, absolutely him.
Speaker 2:Dwayne wade yeah, unbelievable, it's really cool, really, really cool also like megan fox has a non-binary kid, I'm pretty sure. And like naomi naomi watts kid, I think, is trans like there's a lot. I think it's weird when we start rounding up like which celebs have trans kids. So I'm not advocating that we like do a huge list of that, but I think when you see it follow just like the trends of like gen z coming out and like young millennials coming out and stuff like that, I'm like, yeah, that applies to like celebrities, families as well and I think that's really cool 100, especially the ones that are being really open about it.
Speaker 1:I'm actively supportive yeah, and I think that you know. Obviously everyone does everything on their own time, but if parents are doing that, I'm being really vocal yeah it's so. It couldn't be more impactful.
Speaker 2:You know jamie lee curtis. Her kid is trans and she's very loud about it in a good in a positive way.
Speaker 1:I mean, she's just so cool. Yeah, that's the one, jamie, okay. Um, here we go. Next up.
Speaker 2:Giuliani is disbarred in new y yeah, I mean it's good that he was disbarred that's good, that's a good boy, that's good boys, whatever lawyers did that but he's just a general, he's a bad boy.
Speaker 1:He is, yeah, and not even in a fun way okay, uh, next one up.
Speaker 2:Nicola cocklin helps raise 1.5 million for children in palestine, which I think the number closer to 2 million now. Oh my god, I'm in love with her say it I love her so much I love that she's irish yeah which, of course, like, also like, by the way, like I don't know, I feel a lot of, in addition to gay pride this summer, a lot of irish pride you see those irish kids.
Speaker 1:Well, you can do the accent too, which is I cannot do an irish brogue.
Speaker 2:I'm really bad at that. I end up doing like scottish and it's that's not even scottish um, but I think it's really awesome. Ireland has obviously a history of standing up against oppressors, so like that's slay um nicola cockland's so hot bridgerton. Did you watch?
Speaker 1:I haven't watched yet because I'm stressed out about it, because I haven't, I have to. I kept putting it off and I have to write to the beginning. No, but you don't here's what I did.
Speaker 2:I wanted to watch specifically. They were like nicola cockland's having sex on screen and I was like in and so I watched. You went straight to I watched season, no, just season three from the beginning, because that was like her season watch season three. And then I went back and watched season one, and then I watched one, two, three again and then I watched queen charlotte okay, so it's not gonna fuck me up no, I think, start at it you'll be a little bit confused, but it'll make it more fun to go back.
Speaker 2:Anyway, nicola cocklin, everything that you do, good boy good boy.
Speaker 1:Last one okay, why protesters are squirting water at tourists in barcelona? Anything with the word squirting to get a good voice from me. I read it and I was like this is gay for sure. But then, when I clicked through, it wasn't gay, which is sad. Um, it's protesting about short-term rental prices. Yeah, I believe, in spain, in spain. Yeah, in barcelona. Um, what an interesting way to protest. Yeah, I got inspired immediately. I was like who can we squirt in the face with some water?
Speaker 2:well, I remember like I was participating, I was helping with like voter stuff, whatever in 2020, I was going to a lot of protests and marches and when, when we would go by people who were like dining like outdoors and like ignoring all of the like horrible things happening right in front of their faces, we were fucking with them. We would like I don't know like boo them or like whatever. So it feels like that kind of thing. I'm just looking at the picture here. It's like people like drinking white wine in the middle of the day when people are going by, like, save my house help me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, it feels a good balance because it's like not dangerous but impactful you know, yeah, so get out there and squirt.
Speaker 2:Guys go out there and squirt squirt for your rights, great, fantastic and them's the headlines, them's the headlines do you want to talk about what you've been watching?
Speaker 1:I would love to listen. I am so specific and obsessive, I pick everything apart, I can't just watch it. Yeah, I pause it every 30 seconds. My girlfriend hates me. My brother-in-law does that. I know, it's annoying but I just can't. I can't stop it because I need to think about the directorial choice and the actor's choice and the story and the like, loopbacks, and you have too much information to do like you're too informed of the production process that like yeah me, I'm like I don't know, the camera looks nice well, given that, okay.
Speaker 1:So now that I've said all that and I'm so specific, what I'm going to tell everyone is is that I watched dark matter, which is a tv show on apple tv, and it was one of the best things I've watched it was unbelievable can you give me like two sentences, two sentences. It's about time theory, and I know, I know your eyes are glazing. No, no, it's about time theory I saw interstellar great.
Speaker 1:It's about time theory, but it's. It's executed in such a a unique way and there's this idea of like every specific choice that we make creates a new reality. Okay, and a new world yeah so it's. If you think about something that you made a choice on that was like which road do I go down? And you couldn't make that decision.
Speaker 1:Imagine that the other decision was made by another motty and that motty is living out somewhere else yeah and what's interesting about it and what I got obsessed with was this idea that you make a choice and then you're because of that choice, your circumstance changes, of course, but also your personality, like everything about you, sort of changes, yeah, uh.
Speaker 2:So we exist as this, like all encompassing yeah version of every decision that we make yeah, you think you just fell out of a coconut tree you exist in, the context of which came before you I don't know the full thing.
Speaker 1:Are we gonna diss kamala on this fucker? Is kamala a?
Speaker 2:good boy is quoting, is quoting her.
Speaker 1:She's a cop, I'm so she's, yeah, you're sure she's, I don't like any politicians a hundred percent, and she doesn't say that much.
Speaker 2:Yeah but when she says it, she says it over. I love gen z. Yeah, yeah, over and over and over. I love gen z, I love gen z.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know um anyway. So dark matter. Okay, yeah, I'm obsessed with it. Beautiful concept, fantastic acting um. I appreciated the cast. There was no gayness. Now I think about it I was gonna say is anyone sexy in it? Oh yeah, sexy people in it yeah but, but, but no one's. No one's doing gay stuff okay, which I think is important for any tv show, yeah, but nonetheless it's still fantastic listen.
Speaker 2:Nothing explicit. No, I'm lying. I was gonna say nothing explicitly. Gay happens in bridgerton.
Speaker 1:But I'm lying because it totally does, right, that's what I in season three, yeah. So what have you been watching?
Speaker 2:well, that, yeah, but like that's kind of like that was last month, but I've been watching um the boys, which I think I brought to you off mic. Um the boys is on amazon prime video, okay, and it came out, I think, in like 2017 or 2018. It's like a satirical, it's like marvel if it existed in the real world where, like, politicians are shitty and stuff, if that that makes well, I guess the kind of shitty and Marvel, but like it's. It's as if put everything like MAGA and everything in with corrupt superheroes. Okay, it's really fantastic. Um and like I don't want to like give anything away. It's the fourth season is like airing right now. I think there are like four episodes in, so we've been watching it and actually we've gone back and watched from season one because I like forget everything that happened you watch it again?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's pretty good it's like really like bloody or like, if you have an uneasy stomach, like you can't do it, but it's so good and so specifically so a lot. The first two seasons happened like before pandemic, before 2020, and so now they're getting. It's like, really, it's very clear that it's like the two sides who support the two big superheroes um, bad superhero, good superhero. It's like, really, it's very clear that it's like the two sides who support the two big superheroes um, bad superhero, good superhero. It's very much like mega liberals kind of thing. And um, there's a new character on it, firecracker, and it's played by a lesbian, valerie curry fan of autostraddle, um and hot, by the way, um and.
Speaker 2:but she plays on like the right wing side and she plays this like transphobic, homophobic, like Trump, trumpy kind of person, okay, but like all in, in, like in spandex super suit, you know what I mean. Like that kind of stuff, but it's really good. It's very violent Um the the. The writing is fantastic.
Speaker 1:I love it so cool. Yeah, I'm also obsessed with. I often get this myself, but like playing like a bad character.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Especially when it's probably so disaligned to her values. Yeah, yeah, she's doing a bunch of interviews for it. But in that same uh, have you seen supercell? No, this is like a Netflix show. Shout out to rap man. Who's the creator? Um, uk uh record producer and director and filmmaker Um, very cool, all black cast, uk based. Um, I'm not super far in but like loving it so far. Okay, um, I'm excited about it, but yeah, I think I'm only like three episodes in and also, again, no gay stuff yet, but we'll get to it.
Speaker 2:Okay, I hope you wreck it. I should watch that I wreck it yeah, I do know there's also. I watched season three of the bear I haven't even watched it.
Speaker 1:Don't shout, but I haven't watched season one of the bear. I won't shout at you, that's fine it's good season three I know there's so many awards. Like everyone you know, I should have watched it yeah, um, but I think are you enjoying it?
Speaker 2:um, I didn't like season three. Personally, I think it was beautifully done if I was watching a food network like anthony ordain, salt and table, whatever those shows are like if it was like a food network show about chef as a like chef as a profession, as being a chef as a profession and like the beauty of working in the restaurant industry and stuff like that, which I did for a decade, like I appreciated that. But in terms of like character development, plot development, nothing Interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The best episode was the one that Ayo directed Okay, and it was very emotional and it was beautiful and there was character development. But so season three is like all flashback, okay, and all like. It's not. It's stuff we've seen before and when people analyze it they're like you don't like it. But what you don't realize is it's showing how everybody's having a different experience, while the one central character, jeremy Allen White's character is standstill and you're supposed to feel that because he is standstill, he's not progressing like that kind of thing which I could.
Speaker 2:But I'm like the first episode of season three is like all B-roll of cutting onions and stuff and I'm like I can't fucking do this also I can understand the intellectual interest of that explanation.
Speaker 1:But if you're a filmmaker and you have to explain the film to totally an audience, yeah, I think that there's make it into. I love when we're like stretching the boundaries of like, yeah, don't assume the audience is stupid we're not stupid like please, like you know. Yeah, make us think, but if people aren't getting it, yeah, challenge, yeah, and we watched it.
Speaker 2:We were kind of just like, okay, yeah, whatever, but I know we both watched, uh, the perfect life. Oh my god, what did you think? Do you consume a lot of true?
Speaker 1:crime. Yes, okay, yeah, my favorite podcast other than this one, obviously is my favorite murder me too.
Speaker 2:Oh my god, I'm real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I wish we could do some sort of cross episode oh my god, 100, I don't know um. Yes, I watched it. I felt terrified. Yeah, you know, I've also had a like ex relationship that reminded me, like adjacently, of it a little bit like some of the traits of her which so I felt like quite scared about it. But um, you know what I I love and hate in these documentaries?
Speaker 2:when they like, drip out they, they take you on such a roller coaster ride you know and they push you into like feeling a false sense of security and they like whip you right back, you know, so like it from that perspective, I was like on a real ride, yeah um, but I mean, it's wild though the last couple documentaries and docuseries that we've watched, like true crime ones, what I've noticed and maybe they've always done this, but I'm like new to watching them they do such a fantastic job with the like talking heads, like with like all the like survivors and like friends and family where, like they, they must direct them to speak but to tell the story in such a way that they don't reveal like you're watching it the whole time and you're watching the sister and the best friend talk and you're like they're still waiting for her and like they love her and whatever.
Speaker 2:But then, as soon as we find out that she actually did something wrong, then they're like and that bit, and I'm like whoa, this whole time you've been mad at her, but I thought you were like mourning her, like I don't know it's really well done and it must just come down to whoever producing them.
Speaker 2:But I thought Perfect Wife was really good. Obviously, for people who don't know, this is like the IRL gone girl, right. The only thing that I don't like about it is that it kind of like we kind of. Once we realized that she kind of you know, she quote unquote, she quasi cheated or like she did it to herself. I'm like that still doesn't kind of make up for the fact that like people were hearing him scream at her and I'm like I still think he might be scary I don't think you kind of just like come to that conclusion to fake your own disappearance?
Speaker 2:I still the husband's got to be some kind of bad guy bad boy, bad boy I don't know neighbors were like. I hear him screaming at her and like, but I know she was lying about some stuff, but well, yeah, you know what it is too.
Speaker 1:Every piece of content it pushes us to and as, and our brains. I think we're just like good and bad.
Speaker 2:I mean, look, we have it right here, yeah, in our brains, in our brains so like good boys.
Speaker 1:But I think you know, because she's bad, he has to be good and you know, whatever it is, yeah, I'm sure, look, we're all three-dimensional humans. I'm sure that he was not the perfect husband, but I think, what, what I? What? They didn't talk about a bunch. I mean also the munchausen by proxy was just sprinkled in there at the end with like no, yeah, with like no hello boom, she was gas masking them.
Speaker 2:I was like what? And I'm like when, when they were, yeah, that so that was just sprinkled in.
Speaker 1:And I don't love when we don't explore mental illness fully, yeah, because then I'm like, okay, guys, like it's obviously very damaging. Also, munchausen by proxy has had this like very sensationalized moment right, where we're all talking about it, some documentaries whatever, um, but it is a mental illness, or at least a result of a mental illness yeah, you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean, of course. So I I think that that it's tough with these, although I really enjoy the documentary and I was like, oh my god, this is wild. It's like we need to, we need to at least acknowledge, I think, what's going on, like that woman probably needs some help I think you know, yeah, yeah, that was an interesting wow, yeah, that was good. Okay, uh, let's talk about transition.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's talk about it on the good boys podcast. We're going to be doing check-ins. Um, I myself am. This will be my 15th week on testosterone. This is my voice. 15 weeks on testosterone what about you?
Speaker 1:um, this I was gonna say this is my voice on I don't even know how many months on testosterone, but it's such a micro amount you're gonna do the thing that moms do, because you're like over a year, but you're going to be like I'm like 24 months, exactly. I'm like 24 months on a tiny micro bit of tea, but, but, but, set it up. What? How do you? How are you thinking about transition? When did you start thinking about transition? What you know? Talk to me about it.
Speaker 2:I always. So I got top surgery in January and I always told myself like I'll, I'll figure out that, like I'll see if top surgery cures the dysphoria stuff. Obviously it didn't, um, but it helped significantly, um, but I told myself like I'll wait until I heal and I'll see if like this solves the problems. Like, was it really just the chest? Because I that was such a big driving force of my gender dysphoria, but like other things were not, like I was cool with a bunch of other stuff happening with me. Um, and then I looked into it. I have a trans guy, uh, primary care physician, and he sat with me, did this like whole informed consent presentation and showed me like what tea will do, what tea won't do, what the effects are. And I thought about it for a long time and decided it was for me. And he was like, okay, so I'll write your prescription. Do you want gel or or injections? And I, well, what do you think?
Speaker 2:And he was like injections, just because they have well, everyone has a different experience, but I have, so I can. I have a lot of friends right now who were on gel for a long time, like over a year and then they made the transition to injections and they're like what was I doing? A hundred percent which is like, everyone has their journey, so whatever.
Speaker 1:But um, but, um, yeah, totally okay. Yeah, I hear that, by the way shout out to the fact that you have a trans guy. He's awesome. Primary care yeah, that's insane, he's really cool. Yeah, um, I do not have that, I'm out here, but uh, so you know, I was thinking the other day. I really resonate with this idea of like transition, but, but, but transition journey of like never really ending, because I think about like right to the beginning and I'm like, okay, so I changed my name because that wasn't really, you know, resonating.
Speaker 1:And then I was like she, they. And then I was like, well, no, I don't really like the she and I dropped it they, them.
Speaker 1:And then I mean I think you were there for my transition to they, he, and then you know, understanding that, um, and physically for me, I had this thing for so long where I was like I am not, I don't need, I just don't need to do anything. I don't need to do top surgery. I don't need to do testosterone. I'm good in my body, like there's no problem. But the truth is I think I was just, you know, scared because I had like such bad chest disorders so much that we built this whole business around yeah creating one product that would work for me.
Speaker 1:You know, um, and so then, yeah, I had top surgery last november, um, and that was like game changing to be fair um and then, uh, I didn't ever think I'd take testosterone. Then you know what catalyzed it? I found out my testosterone was extremely low for a woman.
Speaker 2:But I'm doing, uh, inverted commas yeah, what do you call these in the us?
Speaker 1:um air quotes inverted commas, inverted commas okay, okay, I hope so. Um so, yeah, so my testosterone was very low for a woman equates and um, so it gave me the opportunity, just with my primary care physician, to go on testosterone whatever that meant um, and the more that I've taken it, the more that it's it feels so good, although I've had like up and down moments where, of course, you know what at first I was like, oh my gosh, this is making such a difference. I feel amazing.
Speaker 1:I feel stronger, my sleep's better, I'm super horny like I just felt like charged and like ready to go yeah, I actually don't feel that as much yeah, I don't know if it's just a gel thing or like. If it's if I like, if I went from super low to like I think you would feel the increase.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, exactly um and so.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's what. That's where I'm at. I'm still that. I'm I'm sort of considering maybe taking the injections eventually but. I want to freeze my eggs yeah, first yeah you know what I mean. So we're talking about like freezing the eggs and then it's a whole bit like we just have. So I mean, as queer people and trans people, trying to like think about family is just such a yeah, expensive and crazy time.
Speaker 2:You know um we'll dedicate a whole episode to it. 100. We should do that um, so anyway.
Speaker 1:So that's where I'm at. I'm taking tiny bits of testosterone, um, but for a long time, and I do feel changes and we can talk about that and uh, and not taking injections yet until I've froze my eggs. And when I do that, I'm happy to share that as well, okay, great, wow.
Speaker 2:Congrats to us. Congrats to us for being on t. Yeah, I totally agree. Journey also. There's so many reasons why someone's transition would get like. I have friends who like, literally their insurance fucks up and they can't get their hrt for a month or for like, an extended amount of time, so it's very much a a journey.
Speaker 1:What I was just gonna ask you do you? Do you, since you have taken your first shot, do you feel just like change, on change, on change on change, like do you know? I mean, is there a compounding?
Speaker 2:a little bit, but it also just like happens, like when I'm not looking, I I don't feel like, oh, this, there were things that happened first, like bottom growth was like the first thing did you um the bottom growth?
Speaker 1:has it settled? I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I think I've got a lot more to go. I've got a lot more to grow. I'll be happy to talk about it as it goes on, but like atrophy happened and like yeah, so I'm not there yet. Yeah, no, I'm not there.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, and did you want, speaking of facial hair, did you, were you excited about that? Did you want that?
Speaker 2:yeah, because I used to like do a little mascara, mustache, cute and like fill it in for like special, like, not like dinner, but like for like a pride party or like a really queer lineup. I was on maybe, um, and so I fill it in and I was always told that I look really good with a mustache, that I looked like charlie swan, which is the dad from twilight my god and like tom selleck, maybe people said and just like, yeah, I don't know, and I was like, okay, so like, maybe it's for me.
Speaker 2:I'm wondering if I should shave it so that it'll come in thicker. But all my guy friends are telling that that like a myth, like it's not going to come in thicker if I just shave it.
Speaker 1:It's just gonna, you're just gonna shave it off. Basically you know yeah and it'll come back, but it'll be stubbly yeah, which for?
Speaker 2:this it was. It just took the existing like really blonde peach fuzz and just like made it darker and longer. Yeah, but I think each time we record, we'll sit down and we'll do tea time. Yeah, and I'll go over the like in real time changes that are happening. You will too. Some of them are going to be good, some of them are going to be bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, and also, we'll keep it. We'll keep it 100, we'll keep it 100. And the full annunciation we'll keep it 100, full stop. Yes, we'll keep it 100. And um, I, we should talk about too the non-medical stuff that we do to feel a firm, totally. Yeah, you know, like the other day I got um, uh, I don't even know what it's called, but it's like microblading on my eyebrows, I guess yeah, your eyebrows look great thanks so much.
Speaker 1:Um, and basically they, this woman, she's incredible, but she like helped masculinize my face by like filling in my eyebrows more yeah, and like giving them a little more structure, yeah, so stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I think that that t is making mine fill out more oh, really so, cool and my brow. I think my brow bone is like my bone can't change, but like it's gonna be more defined and like flat across.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so cool so, yeah, these are the ways that, like you know, without medical resources, either because people can't get them, or because they don't want to take them, or whatever it is for health reasons yeah like, what can we do, like affirm ourselves, and I've been like trying to explore that bunch, so we should talk about that absolutely.
Speaker 2:That's cool, microblading the eyebrows yeah, uh.
Speaker 1:So that's tea time. We're gonna do it every week our shared transition, our shared transition we're transitioning together into the ultimate.
Speaker 2:We just morph into like the ultimate good boy um okay, great, and now we're just gonna uh, finish off with, um, some advice yeah, some advice.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you all have written in to ask marty and I advice, which? We will do our best. Yeah, we are. Are you a good advice giver? I think so, oh great. Yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:Let's see I think I'm very empathetic and wise you said my years I'm only 19, so yeah and I'm 96.
Speaker 1:Okay, um, okay, I'm gonna. First I'm going to read an advice question to you. Here we go. I've been living with my girlfriend for about six months and we have been dating for about two years and I don't know if I like them anymore. I remember, maybe last month, someone wrote about getting the ick for their partner, but this isn't the ick, I don't think. I'm just more annoyed by their presence most of the time, but I'm also very depressed and I think, uh, most people are getting on my nerves more than usual, which I haven't told my girlfriend about, because we don't talk about that kind of stuff, which is probably a problem in itself. That's a problem, right there.
Speaker 2:That is the problem, yeah, right, yeah, that's the problem, and there's probably so many problems, why they don't talk about that, like to say, I don't talk about that kind of stuff and you're like in a depression. Listen, I get that. Stuff is hard of diagnosed depression. You got to talk about it, right? Yeah?
Speaker 1:what do you think about the ick thing? Do you believe in the ick? I do.
Speaker 2:I've gotten the ick, so many times really. I mean like, listen, I think we've given a silly name to something that happens and it's a turn, it's a turn off.
Speaker 1:Um, that has happened in almost every in so many things that I've been a part of do you think that, like if you're, don't you think it just means you weren't that trapped in the first place?
Speaker 2:I don't think so, because I think it's an introduction of a new thing or a new behavior, when maybe, like like I've been in things where, like I'm hooking up with someone for a couple weeks, a couple months, and they like do something that I didn't know was part of their personality and I'm like that's oh like I was like hooking up with someone.
Speaker 2:It was like really great, they were really hot, but like our personalities never like meshed and it was something I was like okay with it. But then they were really rude once, like really rude to you, to me, and I was like wait, what? I'm like you talk to people like that and that I got the ick and I ended it, but like that feels like I feel like we talk about the ick as like.
Speaker 1:That feels like clean cut to me if someone's fucking rude to you or disrespectful.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I guess people get the ick when they like.
Speaker 1:I don't know when someone trips yeah, exactly like my girlfriend showed me a group chat with all of her girl. To be fair, I should I should say straight girlfriends okay, okay, in a whatsapp group and they were like calling out all these icks that they have for guys and they're like being an identical twin is an ick wait, honestly no, actually no, I know, do you agree?
Speaker 1:no, no, no, I don't um okay, like, and you know, um, uh, you know, when you're at a restaurant and you like don don't say the check, you just like do this Totally.
Speaker 2:You know stuff like that yeah.
Speaker 1:So like, what do you think about those things?
Speaker 2:I think we all do little silly things. Listen, if that's what's going to make you not want to fuck a person anymore, then like that's your line. I don't like if that's your line, but I do think people for the sake of having an ick, because it was like funny to like discard a guy I think it's really funny when straight people do it, because I'm like everything you do is everything you do is so cringy and gross and weird. Do better, a hundred percent. But yeah, I don't know. You're living with, you're partnered for two years, you're living for six months. I don't think it's. I don't think that this person never liked this person. I think this person doesn't like living with this person.
Speaker 2:They probably don't like their cleanliness or like they're like. Living together is such a specific thing and I I don't believe this person never liked their partner to begin with.
Speaker 1:I think that they've learned new things about their life and their personality and that's what they don't like yeah, and in this case absolutely I would agree with you and also, I think, not being able to speak about your mental health issues or how you're feeling with your partner yeah aside. This is just not. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:Whether it's because you're not feeling open to or she hasn't given you the safety and openness to do it. But I think my first piece of advice is talk about the mental health stuff. If that goes south and the girlfriend's not supportive or can't take, I shouldn't say that no one needs to take care of you, but like has to be supportive and like know that you're cared for.
Speaker 1:And for um. And if that doesn't work, I think you got to move out and break up, I agree, or just live separately you know, holland taylor and sarah sarah paulson don't live in the same house.
Speaker 2:I did read that. I was like cool, I think that's great, yeah. Yeah, I know people who have their own bedrooms also, so maybe just try that out totally, I'd be down with the, with the bedroom thing yeah the separate houses.
Speaker 1:I feel like my girlfriend's house would be this like beautiful oasis and mine, would be a shit hole. Yeah, so then I would just live there anyway, because you're a bad boy, I do think.
Speaker 1:I mean, I do think, like having separate houses is very much privileged thing like, of course, holla taylor and sarah paulson can do that, but yeah, totally, I just said that like I could afford it I'm like oh sure, let's just, let's, let's try this yeah, you know, we'll just buy two houses um thank you for that advice, matty. You're so wise, yeah, you're so wise for a 19 year old.
Speaker 2:He's not 19 guys, that's like no, but I have the mustache of a 19 year old boy. Um, no, it's more like 12. Um, okay, so I have one that was also written in hi. I was dating this really great person for about three or four months. Last week they ended things because they realized they don't have the capacity to be in a relationship right now mentally and still need to heal from their last relationship, although I felt really sad about not together anymore. We've talked about it and I can see that it's probably for the best. I know, saying my situationship broke up with me a week ago and we're trying to be friends already is probably the most lesbian coded sentence on the planet, but I don't have a lot of dating experience and I'm hoping for some advice on how to genuinely shift things into a friendship. When I was really starting to fall for them before we broke up totally, so this person was in a situationship it didn't work out. They kind of were falling harder and then they broke up and now they want to be friends man.
Speaker 1:Firstly, I feel like the person saying that they um, that they are not ready for a relationship, is so mature. I feel like more people should do that, you know I'd be so self-aware. So I think that'd be so grateful that they were honest and said that. I think that that's really awesome.
Speaker 1:But listen, firstly, I don't know if you are beating yourself up, but don't beat yourself up, because that's really tough yeah, you know, there's like a little heartbreak in there, you know, and I don't think that you have to force yourself to be friends straight away yeah, you know, I think that like yeah, take a little bit of space. Yeah, exactly that. That would be my, that would be my advice. Take a little bit of space. Sounds like this is a really respectful person. You get on with them really well yeah, if you want to be friends 100%. Take some space.
Speaker 1:Maybe, you know, go out on a few dates, explore some other stuff so you feel, you know, not too tied to this person and then and then refresh, start a friendship. Yeah, I think that's what I would do that's fantastic advice.
Speaker 2:If you liked the advice we had for these two folks, you're gonna love what we have moving forward. Um, you can write in yeah, um, you can dm? Can dm.
Speaker 1:You can dm for them account yeah, or the autoshow account, actually, yeah. Um, and just just say that it's for good boys and uh, we'd love to, we'd love to hear your questions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think I want to extend that offer to tea time, like if you're also someone who's considering tea and you have questions, or that you want to ask a non-medical person, um right, on in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and actually we have a guest that is also transitioning. It's good to have a lot of different opinions and experiences on this coming up, so, um, write them in for that guest and we can give you a three experienced answer. Three experience, three, a threesome I'm just making up terms a three way on this leather couch.
Speaker 2:Um, but that's good boys. That's what this podcast is going to be. If you want to hear more about it, you can like and subscribe and, I think, follow a podcast and you can rate it and you can, like it, do those things do all of those things and uh check back in.
Speaker 1:Yeah thank you for listening.
Speaker 2:Thank you for listening be a good boy.
Speaker 1:Good boy kylo, good boy matty you.
