Good Boys
Good Boys is a podcast from FOR THEM about two trans guys, Kylo Freeman (actor) and Motti (comedian) reflecting on what it means to be a “good boy."
Coming of age is hard, understanding yourself is hard, what the fuck does it even mean to be a boy? Kylo and Motti challenge each other on their past selves, their journeys now, and how to be good people. They're learning a lot about themselves and figured why not do it in front of the world? What could possibly go wrong!
On Good Boys, the hosts will get up close and personal about the moments in their lives that encourage, challenge and prevent them from being... well... Good Boys. They'll have some help from friends and role models who'll come on as guests and teach them a thing or two.
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In this episode of Good Boys, Kylo and Motti bond over being bad at breakups, investigate the difference between co-opting and appreciating a culture, and finding the perfect sperm donor.
Good Boys is a For Them podcast co-hosted by Kylo Freeman and Motti, and audio engineered by timalikesmusic. Submit advice questions to goodboys@forthem.com.
the worst story I've ever heard. It was not me but um, and it was a straight couple. But my friend, my, my friend that's a woman. She went on a date, blind date, gets to the, gets to the restaurant, meets this guy, greets him and then says I gotta go to the bathroom, I'll be back. She goes downstairs, she texts our group chat and says this guy's so fucking ugly and short no, I'm serious and realizes that she's texting him by mistake. No, I swear to god, I'm laughing, but I actually feel sick. I think about this guy. I don't even know him and I think about him all the time. Welcome back to Good Boys. Welcome to Good Boys, episode six, six. It feels longer than that.
Speaker 3:It does, doesn't it? Well, probably because we recorded like five versions of the first episode before we got it right. It's really like episode 11. I forgot about that. Yeah, it's okay. We won't tell everybody that I'm okay with being imperfect.
Speaker 1:I forgot about that. Yeah, it's okay. We won't tell everybody that I'm okay with being imperfect.
Speaker 3:I need to work on that.
Speaker 1:I think, and not getting it right on the first try. I need to work on that.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But this isn't my therapy session.
Speaker 3:I could totally therapize you. I think you could.
Speaker 1:I actually think that you could.
Speaker 3:I don't think I could. I'm you sage advice.
Speaker 1:You're a really solid, like good friend, you like understand the whole scenario and circumstance people are in and you give great advice, yeah, but I I would never be able to give you concrete, okay therapy advice, though yeah. So if I was like I'm, I'm imperfect and I don't know how to be, well, I would tell you that you're perfect.
Speaker 3:Oh, thank you. I feel like you're a triple leo. What do you mean? You're not perfect exactly no, but I think I could give you, I could give you pretty good advice, but not in a therapy way, yeah, just in a friend way yeah, got it. Do you have anything? That you need advice for right now.
Speaker 1:I was thinking about how I was a good boy this week and I feel like I wasn't, and when I think, I just feel on my body that I wasn't and then when I dug into that, I think it's because I didn't exercise all week.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think I didn't exercise like eight days okay which obviously in the grand scheme of things isn't a long time. But I think it affects my mental health, it affects how I feel about myself and I just feel really sluggish, you know yeah, also, moving out of a routine also throws you off your game totally, and I get disappointed in myself, because when I'm out, when I'm out of the routine, I'm like, oh, it's so hard to keep doing it like you're in the swing of it right now.
Speaker 3:Right yeah, yeah, I just finished my first month that's really great.
Speaker 1:I saw your before and afters not really before and afters, but I mean that's pretty good progress for four for only like three.
Speaker 3:It's only three workouts a week, so it's not even like it's every day of the week either. Um, you look great. Thank you, I feel great. It's like cool to like sweat, yeah, and like yeah, I don't know and like feel like you're like working towards someone.
Speaker 2:I met a guy in my gym is this the same one you spoke about?
Speaker 3:no, this is this is a different one, but he came in and or he was in there when I got in there and then I couldn't tell if he was. It's a very minimal, like there's one bench, one rack of dumbbells, whatever, but he was over on the rope pole, whatever the hell. It's called um and like the tricep thing yeah, and I was like oh, like, let me know if I'm in your way. And he was like oh, no way, uh, like, you're totally fine, I never see you here.
Speaker 3:I was like yeah I'm new, I'm like oh, I'm usually here later, like eight o'clock, nine o'clock, because it was like seven or something. Um, but he was really cool and he lives in the building and he was like so what, are you a doctor? Oh, because it's a nice building, because I moved in to where my girlfriend owns her place okay, not a place that I would have had on my own, I understand, and but it's so funny that he's just like so are you a doctor? And I'm looking at myself and I'm like no, I'm not a doctor, like no, I'm a comedian.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I was like, uh, no, um, but he's really awesome. His wife is a Nigerian diplomat and that's like why they like split their time, and so I made a friend. It's like in his 40s or something. Look at the caliber in your building. Yeah, I know, and he was like complimenting my sneakers. I had to. I showed him how to shop on nikecom sorry, nikecom actually I've I've switched yeah. I've switched to nike he said nike, yeah, oh he did.
Speaker 1:Is he british? Oh, he's nigerian nigerian yeah yeah, anyway, that's my little gym story. That's cute. My only gym story is that, not to keep going on about sniffiescom but I was on sniffies also. I'm, I'm a little bit. This is this is definitely, uh, a therapy thing. I need to talk about a therapy because I'm just not really that attracted to men. I'm just not, but I just can't stop going on sniffiescom. Yeah, I just look at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah and like scroll around, I think it just it's so intriguing to me and my girlfriend's like you are attracted to men because why you want sniffiescom? Yeah is the challenge. But anyway, the point is I was on it and I realized that people are doing like group activity in my gym steam room.
Speaker 2:Oh of course.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know what gym you go to.
Speaker 1:Of course they are Totally but sure, but I thought that these were like spontaneous events, you know. So sometimes I go in and I'm like oh gosh, is something going to happen today or what. But actually these are very coordinated meetings which I wasn't aware of.
Speaker 3:Yeah, these are businessmen, you know, like this is on their Google account. Yeah, yeah, seriously, that's really cool. Yeah, yeah. Are you going?
Speaker 1:to do you think you'd join one day? I don't think I would join. There's also very specific signs outside the men's steam room. Um, that says like basically no sex, like you could know, no touching each other yeah um, and apparently that's not in the female one, which again goes back to this point of like cruising and yeah, what the hell I know, because it's allowed or because they assume that women aren't doing that, I think because they assume women aren't doing that that's fucked up.
Speaker 1:I think it's true, though you know, back to this like okay, but treat us equally. I don't know totally, totally treat us equally, but I think that women would read that. Most women in that gym too, by the way, heads up, I go to equinox.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry, I'm sorry um but, but I think there's no women in planet so, by the way, I was a loyal planet fitness user for literally eight years in the city and then I recently switched it me and matthew are good hi today, I think. Um, so I I recently switched to equinox for no good reason. I wanted the steam rooms, I guess yeah um, but anyway, I don't think women in equinox are like. I think if they saw a sign outside a steam room that said don't touch each other, I think they'd be shocked. I think they'd be like why would we?
Speaker 1:you know, I guess we need to do a poll on this for sure we should. I wonder if that's happening and like would you?
Speaker 3:cruise in your gym steam room yeah I'm trying to think of it like logistically it's definitely legal, yeah, um, you said something and it made me think of something.
Speaker 2:Oh, I watched gay porn for the first time oh my god, this week, what kind of gay porn.
Speaker 3:I was a good boy, I just typed in gay into what? Into porn up. That's where okay, fine, yeah I don't know if that's bad. I don't have only fans money.
Speaker 1:I'm really like. I love to support, but I don't someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you can. I checked on any, but I don't Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think you can. I checked on OnlyFans. I don't think that you can pay for porn on there anymore. What do you mean Like you can't subscribe to people? There is not, well, at least I couldn't see any like queer or trans sex workers on.
Speaker 3:OnlyFans? Okay, interesting, we'll have to investigate that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sure Someone investigate. Yeah, I'm sure someone correct me. Or send send stuff to us. Is that weird, I don't know. Good, good boys good boys I have a couple friends on on only fans cleaning up.
Speaker 3:Oh really, yeah, I've been curious. So I said on the last podcast episode, I'm horny from the tea, but not in a way where, like I need to be humping everything. But I am very curious and I want to be watching it all the time, like it genuinely feels, like how it must feel as a 13 year old boy, like finding porn for the first time, right, because I'm just like watching TV and I want to watch it. Interesting, like, not necessarily like jerk off to it, but like I want to be watching it. I want to be looking at sex. I don't know what it is, yeah, again, maybe it's because I am monogamous and like, if I wasn't, maybe that maybe I'd be like acting on it in a more, maybe serious way. I don't really know. Um, I'm not missing out. Like I'm fine, I'm happy, but I'm just curious about it.
Speaker 3:I guess, and I've been curious about my attraction to men because like there's the stereotype of, like you go on to you and you're gay. But I really just think it's because, like your perception, like the way men are perceiving you, it's way different to be perceived and hit on by a gay man than it is a straight man, agree, and so I'm. I'm just like checking this out and I was like huh, like what kind of porn am I in? Like, like what, what's all this about? And I just like typed in gay and I just perused what was available and I was like, oh, that's pretty hot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, gosh, you've made me think. I wonder if this is why I keep typing in sniffiescom. Yeah, maybe it's the testosterone. Yeah interesting.
Speaker 3:I'm just it's, it's like a curiosity. It turns me on for sure in a way that I don't think I previously would have been. I don't think yeah, and then I was watching. Um, I was with some comics last night and we were watching the 100 meter race and I was like, oh, they're having, they're making me feel really bisexual. And they turn around, they're like are you not?
Speaker 3:and I was like I don't know which would be really going back to my, my roots, my 16 year old roots of being bisexual. Yeah, I feel that yeah, I was.
Speaker 1:I was with a friend on the weekend. He's a trans guy and he. I asked him if he was pansexual and he said, oh, you know, in spirit, you know, yeah, like in, like spiritually I am, but he was like, but I just love women, so not really and I feel like that's probably me like I sort of want to be pansexual because I feel like, I feel like most people are and I think if we tapped into our like true selves, we could be attracted to lots of different types of people yeah and so I feel like it's too limiting for me to be like.
Speaker 3:I only like, like feminine presenting people so it's interesting, I'm on the same sort of explorational journey yeah, and you know, what I realized is that I really like being a top in a lesbian way, but I really think I'd be a bottom in a gay way.
Speaker 1:But this is quite normal, right, I think for a trans guy probably.
Speaker 3:I feel like this is this is the stereotype, at least that I hear yeah, yeah, okay, I don't think I've heard much other than just like okay, you're, you're gay. Now, I didn't know that there was a dynamic with like trans guys being bottoms what is?
Speaker 1:do we know that the psychological or hormonal like reason for trans guys becoming gay?
Speaker 3:no, I think it's. I think it's more of like a society. Listen, I this is my own experience I think it's more of like a what I was saying of this like perception thing of like when I was a woman, I was not attracted to men because I wasn't attracted to what they had to offer, how they treated me, like what that attraction was and what like, how I was being seen by them. Um, because it was like objectification and like whatever but but, and also being a clause, like at the time being a closeted trans dude, I'm like okay, you see me as a woman. This is not clicking in my head because I am not a woman Now that I'm presenting masculine and presenting as a dude, and if a gay dude sees that not only is that affirming my gender cause he sees me as a dude, it's also like, oh, you're not objectifying me the way that straight men and I'm sure there's some gay men who objectify, like everybody does but like I think it's this change of like okay, you don't see me as a woman.
Speaker 3:And you also like, don't have all the bad things that come with straight men so I think it's that thing of like you're now allowed to explore this new thing while being affirmed yeah. Yeah, I don't know that, if it's, it could be like a chemical or hormonal thing, but I think it's more of like a societal thing that makes sense social thing.
Speaker 1:And listen, gay men are just so attractive. Yeah, they're just so well, you know, like well-groomed and gorgeous, and also I love the way that they um approach me, I guess but maybe that's because it feels really new they yeah feel so confident yeah, the stuff we talked about last week but I feel maybe not very confident in that realm so then I see them doing that and I'm like wow, that's really like you know yeah, I got hit on by a gay bartender a couple weeks ago at a show and it was exhilarating.
Speaker 3:I texted Brit about it immediately. I was like this beautiful man just hit on me in, like the like and I don't know, I don't get hit on a lot these days by any gender, and so I was just like that was really fun you don't get hit on a lot.
Speaker 1:I feel like you do. I feel like your dms are like stacked with.
Speaker 3:No, they people, they were once upon a time. I am so wife guy on main. I'm like writing poems for my girlfriend every day on. I mean not actually, but like I think it's pretty clear that I'm, you know, in a relationship and I also shut off the future where you can reply to my story. If I don't, so like, if I don't follow you, you can't reply to my story because I was getting inundated not necessarily with getting hit on, but just responses.
Speaker 3:Um but no, I can't tell you the last time I got hit on truly months because you're in a relationship, but I feel like there's lots of.
Speaker 1:I know you're a monogamous relationship, but people might not assume that you are yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I really don't think I've been hit on in in a real way and I'm also like not really frequenting bars and clubs the way that I used to, and that's where that would probably happen yeah. I guess I haven't really sat with it. I have not been hit on in a long time, interesting well I, I shot my shot for the first time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, in the past like 10 days okay, I met this woman. She's really hot and uh, I dm'd her, which I very brave for me, did you get?
Speaker 3:the instagram were you already? You have to take me back a second. Sorry, you were following each other already did you get the handle?
Speaker 1:no, but we met in person. Okay, I was introduced by a friend. I thought she was super beautiful and then I um followed her and then she followed me back and said hey. And then I messaged her basically being like hey, I said something generic like like hey, you know we should grab a coffee or something like you know sometime. Yeah, okay, she. Basically her response was essentially like that she likes me, but she doesn't do the whole open thing.
Speaker 1:Okay she was basically like I'm not interested, like you have a girlfriend, just like break up with your partner, yeah, and then come talk to me.
Speaker 3:Okay, basically, in which I was like that's my soulmate.
Speaker 2:So yeah, um.
Speaker 1:But I thought it was a big step. I at least sent him. I sent a DM. I mean, I've never slid into someone's DM. It feels so. I mean we should talk about consent and stuff, but it feels so it just feels too. It feels like I'm encroaching into their space without permission, you know yeah. And it feels like just yeah, just not part of my natural personality to do, and not ideal that it ended in a friend coffee, but friend coffee's a nice.
Speaker 3:Did you go? No, we're gonna go. Oh okay, cool, yeah. Well, you know that could be nice and maybe she could warm up to the open. You're like?
Speaker 1:it's okay long game I'm just like I don't.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I guess that's interesting. My, my initial reaction to that was like why wouldn't you be okay with the open? It's kind of like an ideal situation, but I guess not if she's wanting to pursue something serious or long-term, so that makes sense and I sort of never thought about it from that.
Speaker 1:I should start thinking about it from the other person's perspective a bit, because it's like I'm really happy in my relationship. We have great communication, we figured out a way to sort of explore openness and being with other people and I'm sort of like great, I'm good with it.
Speaker 3:I'm going to go out and pursue this but I have to take into account that they might not be into it. You know, yeah, Is it open in that like would you have a secondary partner, or is it just? For like hookup. Okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which makes it even more probably clean.
Speaker 3:cut that she's like cause you're like yeah basically I'm like, can we have sex?
Speaker 1:And she's like, no, is the general thing? Yeah, so I think that that that's that makes it a little bit more complicated. Got it okay, you know well, you did it, congrats. Thanks so much. I was proud of myself, um, did you text the server back from last week?
Speaker 3:I forgot to text her. I feel like we should do it right now. So, for context, last week, when we recorded the last podcast episode, america's Good Boys go back and listen if you haven't kylo received a phone number from a server at a restaurant, uh, that he frequents and he's not interested in going on a date, but he wants to do the kindness of at least texting the number yes have I covered everything? You've covered everything to like, say like no, but I just feel like it was chops for doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was just so brave and I would love to be able to do something like that. It was so brave, just not brave enough for me I want to make sure that they feel encouraged to continue to do that, because it felt really good, and I don't want to be like, oh fuck, I gave that number out and like, yeah, no one got back to me ever.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So we're texting, we're texting them now how do you balance with like do you ever use I'm in a relationship as an excuse, even though, like, you're open?
Speaker 1:you know what I mean I do, and then I get scared that like someone's gonna find that out and then they listen to you talk. Yeah, now we're saying everything in the podcast so yeah I think we have to be more. We have to be more um honest but we've talked about.
Speaker 1:Did we talk about this? Or was this like a practice pod, where we talked about, um, how we let people down and we were saying that we weren't the best at it, you know, oh, did that make it into a pod? I think it was a practice one and it was like we were talking about or a failed one. And we were talking about I said that I used to be. I said that I used to be someone that would draw out these like breakups in an insane way, because I just wasn't brave enough to be like hey, I'm not into this anymore yeah.
Speaker 1:I went to see um Real Madrid and Barcelona football game Saturday and um my friend was telling me about anyway, he meets. He met this girl on um hinge and she was in the UK and she flew here to see him and and he was like, yeah, I just stay in my house for a few days, whatever. And she got here and like after day one, he like looks her in the eye and he's like, look, you know, exactly, this is my marty's face is shocked and this is yeah. And he just he's like, look, this isn't gonna work out for me. You know, I'm not basically like this isn't what I'm looking for. Yeah, and I thought, damn, that's so brave. And like direct, yeah, I think what we should be aiming to do because, then it.
Speaker 1:It's. It's sort of painful, but the band-aid's been ripped off, she knows what's up, yeah, and she can just move on with her life, whereas I think old me was like hey you're really, you're like really like you, you're really sweet and like you know, and feeling bad, and so that's something that definitely I I hope, now that I'm pursuing these like casual relationships, I can be ready to act on, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm excited to see how that evolves. I, you know, obviously in a relationship for over a year but, yeah, really bad at breaking up, but I had a. I feel like I had reason to be for sometimes, because sometimes you are direct and you're like, hey, this isn't gonna work out. And the worst possible thing to happen in response to hey, I don't think this is gonna work out, is someone being like, oh, but I can, like I can change this, this or that, or like, oh, like blah, blah, blah. And then you're like, well, fuck, like I, I gave you a concrete reason and you're trying, you're like fighting for this, which is, you know, right, admirable in a way, not admirable in other ways. And then so I, yeah, I've, I really dragged out and I'm guilty of, of ghosting and I know that's not cool, but but I think, if, maybe, if we would very, very direct yeah and like set up front what it is yeah then I think people wouldn't fight well we're
Speaker 2:just so hot.
Speaker 1:I guess people just clawing I did it once.
Speaker 3:I was like I don't like your personality I don't. Oh my gosh, I don't think our personality. I'm like sex banging sure, but I don't.
Speaker 1:Conversation is harsh. You're saying you couldn't. That's pretty fucking direct.
Speaker 3:I told her to her face like I don't enjoy like getting dinner with you oh my god, that's tough.
Speaker 1:What did she say?
Speaker 3:I think she was kind of just like she understood we didn't have a personality match, but yeah I have to tell you.
Speaker 1:I have to tell you that I just need to get off my chest. The worst story I've ever heard. It was not me but um, and it was a straight couple. But my friend, my, my friend, that's a woman. She went on a date, blind date gets to the, gets to the restaurant, meets this guy, greets him and then says I gotta go to the bathroom, I'll be back. She goes downstairs, she texts our group chat and says this guy's so fucking ugly and short no, I'm serious. And realizes that she's text him by mistake no, I swear to god, I'm laughing, but I actually feel sick. I think about this guy. I don't even know him and I think about him all the time.
Speaker 1:So she realizes she sent her and so she just stares at it and just doesn't leave the bathroom because she's too scared to go upstairs. So she stays in there for like 20 minutes. This is from a shot, a tv show I know, I know, and then she goes upstairs and he's left good, yeah, good on him. Oh, my god, I know I hope my friend I think my friend might be listening to this, but listen, we love you.
Speaker 3:I'm not gonna say who it is, but it was an honest elbow deep in some pussy somewhere, I know. I know I guess not much for him. Oh my god I felt like that is the harshest thing I've ever heard in my life, you know how are you not anytime I say anything, like if I'm texting anything naughty, as in not like sexting, but like mean?
Speaker 1:yeah, I am double, triple, quadruple checking I'm texting the right person but I think it's a combination of, like, couple glasses of wine in for pre. You know pre-game. Oh okay, I don't know. You know, yeah, but still gosh, I yeah, I'm sure he's not listening, but if he is, you're a beautiful guy, don't worry.
Speaker 3:You're beautiful and size doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Size does not matter.
Speaker 3:Height doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:Yeah, short kings. Okay, where are we at? He's in the news. Yeah, boys in the news. This is the section of the podcast. Use headlines without reading the article and vote on whether they are good boys or bad boys. Beautiful job explaining. Thank you, kylo. Okay, headline number one french paul vaulter's massive penis dashes olympic dreams. Yeah, good boy. Good boy, I feel bad. I do you know?
Speaker 3:I didn't know the french got it like that.
Speaker 1:The irish team never would have had this problem I mean, I don't know how he feels right, so we, I don't know, maybe he's, maybe he's happy. I'm sure he's getting a lot of attention. His instagram follow, right, really skyrocketing. I read somewhere else that he made 150 grand and I couldn't figure out what. What from only?
Speaker 3:fans. I guess there it goes. I have mixed feelings. Okay, go if it was a woman and like one of her boobs hit it and we were just slow-mo replaying her tit hitting a pole. I don't know, I'm just like maybe he's like. This is sick. I didn't win gold but like now, I'm famous for my giant schlong. But like, at the end of the day, if we're treating everybody equally, we're like. We're like zooming in and putting this thing on on slow mo and like resharing it everywhere.
Speaker 3:It kind of reminds me of like I saw on Twitter this weekend. This stuff also like bums me out. There was this video of a woman like twerking at a club and like really shaking it and her like dress comes up and she's not wearing underwear and you see lip like in the video. It's like 0.2 seconds, but people of course like screen grabbed it and they're like sharing it and they're like blah, blah, blah, like and her parts are like all over twitter now and I'm like you did not have to pause that and screen share it and repost it. Obviously this is like a different thing, but I don't know. I'm like can we have just let that moment be, the moment live? You're totally making sense. It feels like a pornification of stuff.
Speaker 3:Obviously it's hilarious, but I don't know. At the end this is like this dude's body and I try to think of if it was a woman totally no.
Speaker 1:I think you make an absolute great point. I mean, people would absolutely do that to a woman. So yeah at least we're being equal from that perspective yeah that's true, you know yeah I hope he's okay. I'm assuming he's okay, yeah I'm assuming he's okay, but also and I made it, I said this before we started that we should send him some compression underwear, but also generally. I know this isn't the point, but like it shocks me sometimes when professional sports people don't have utility clothing yeah you know, because to me I mean, what do I know?
Speaker 1:but it seemed like he didn't have any underwear on, yeah, which it can't be the car like a cup.
Speaker 3:I guess you don't need a cup. It's not a contact sport, but but just some underwear to like.
Speaker 1:Keep everything strapped in, because surely well, people were tweeting.
Speaker 3:There's this trans woman athlete who tweeted was like this is why you shouldn't ban trans women from sports.
Speaker 2:We would have taught that guy how to tuck like we would have taken care of it for him in the locker room so, and maybe he'd be a gold medalist.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I pole vaulted in high school until I broke my finger, by the way.
Speaker 1:Oh my god, I feel like that's a really impressive sport. I wasn't good at it. Were you scared? I feel like it's a scary thing to do. I don't think so, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:I gotta try it. It was fine. Okay. Next headline Speaking to black journalists, Trump reminded everyone how racist he can be, For fuck's sake.
Speaker 1:I mean obviously bad boy. I don't know how many headlines I can hear about this fucking dude. He's fucking it for himself. Jesus Christ In a room full of black people, mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:I mean the black job, like specifically like that, like that, not even coincidentally a room full of black people, like very intentionally a room full of black people, but they also made me think okay, obviously bad boy, he's horrific, but and and that the fact that he's doing this in a room full of black people tells me that he doesn't know. A lot of these things are like super, super racist and problematic. You know which? I'm not saying I'm not making excuses for him by any means but I did have a realization, like a click, where I was like oh, he's so ignorant that he genuinely doesn't. He is not educated around what is acceptable to say and what you know and his natural bias is he has no idea about them. The way that he's speaking so freely about these things without any pause, you know, yeah, for thought I was like, oh, he, he has no fucking idea you know which is no one's fucking telling him and no one is telling him yeah, but like he should fucking know better of course, of course he should absolutely know better.
Speaker 1:But I guess I would see him at these like horrific rallies, saying a bunch of racist shit, and I'd be like, well, you're an evil, evil human.
Speaker 1:You're like rallying people around this prejudice and racism, you know, which is so incredibly damaging for so many communities, and I'd be like you disgust me. And then I watched that and he still disgusts me. But I was like, oh, he's an idiot, like he's so dumb. I'm giving him too much, um, what's it called? Oh, like benefit of the day? Or uh, no, I'm giving him too much, um, what's it called? Oh, like benefit of the or?
Speaker 1:uh no, I'm giving him too much like credit credit yeah, I'm assuming that his intelligence level is is super high and he's being really damaging when actually super ignorant and he has no real idea what he's saying when you're given a free pass so many times, the rules kind of don't apply to you anymore.
Speaker 3:Like he was saying racist shit the first time around, but he still got black votes, you know what I mean yeah and so maybe he's like, oh, this isn't as big of a deal, but the shit that he was saying about kamala and not understanding that you can have two different the difference between ethnicities and race, and just so dumb. And then, yeah, calling the black woman who was interviewing him aggressive and unprofessional and late, and all this stuff. I'm just like also my favorite part of it when she was like, hey, what can you explain to me what black jobs are to you? And he was like many of you have them, so stupid. He's like, well, black journalists and and also you know what he says he was, he was talking about um immigrants and he was like, trying to get black.
Speaker 3:That's the whole whole thing with black jobs is like immigrants are taking black jobs and it's like, okay, what are black jobs? And he was like, oh well, like you know, immigrants 16, 15, 16, 17 million of them came into the U? S last year. Meanwhile, the U S had an addition of 1.3, I think, of 1.3, I think, or 1.6 million people um in the last year and two-thirds of them were births. Like that was the new additions, like that is the population, yeah, and he's like 15 million immigrants.
Speaker 1:He's always doing stuff like this. Yeah, he's so dumb, I, I, I always go to go to say, oh, in the us this happens, this happened. It probably just happens everywhere. But the, the, the lies that are told by politicians.
Speaker 2:Oh, the fact checking, the fact checking yeah.
Speaker 1:I just believe it would change so much because I also have faith in generally people, people of any sort of background. I have faith that if we're given the true information, you know, I believe that people are inherently kind.
Speaker 1:And I think it's circumstance and propaganda and you know, I believe that people are inherently kind and I think it's circumstance and um propaganda and you know, these natural prejudices that we have and lack of diversity and communities and stuff like that that create these. You know people that don't empathize or feel like they're not, you know, but I do believe that in truth, people are kind and if we gave them the correct information and facts, people can make good decisions, you know. But the problem is that we don't.
Speaker 3:People are just being swayed by lies yeah, over and over again, and the ratings would go down yeah, like fox news is not going to live fact check because they want to listen to people having throwing tantrums and stuff and going on rants about things that are incorrect. If things were fact checked and they were and then it's kind of like, okay, period, end of sentence, it's fact-checked nobody would be watching anymore, and that's sad to say, but that's the truth of it did you see this guy on fox news?
Speaker 1:we shouldn't. This is the politics podcast and I don't know anything about nothing. Um, but this guy on fox news. That's like ranting about if you're a man and you vote for a woman, you turn into a woman and it's scientifically proven, did you see? This? No, I didn't see that. He says it with a straight face. He said it's scientifically proven that if you're a man and you vote for a woman, you will become a woman.
Speaker 3:He I was like we've never had a woman.
Speaker 1:I was like what are you talking about? But no one. No, to be fair, I think a few women, I haven't someone. I'm sure someone's watched this correct us. A few women that were there in the studio were like oh yeah, that's fact, scientifically factual, is it? Yeah, but anyway, crazy damn. Amani khalif, defeated olympic opponent who spread hateful posts about her.
Speaker 3:Listen, amani I understand the irony of that. It's good boys and I want to make sure this is neutral and it's for the title of the podcast that is a good woman.
Speaker 1:She's amazing. Yeah, she's amazing. I posted about her. She's so strong and I cannot believe all the terrible, terrible things that are being said about her. Congratulations on your win, amani.
Speaker 3:I hope she gets millions and millions and millions of dollars from these lawsuits, every single one of them.
Speaker 1:It's been unbelievable yeah, I didn't want to. To be honest, sometimes do you ever feel like this, where you just can't dig into stuff deeper. I'm just like. It's just too like yeah I feel like I have a responsibility to to understand these things, but then sometimes I'm like this is all too much and when I saw this headline I was like I didn't want to dig into what her opponent was saying about her, so I don't know how bad it was, or what it was.
Speaker 3:It was pretty. They did just an entire transvestigation. It was a fucking witch hunt. Like the specific opponent, or everybody, well, this one, this the specific opponent that she ended up beating um, yes, was posting stuff like literally just calling her trans, um, but then, like all of the polit, like every politician jk rowling, I'm like I hope they all get fucking sued, but I'm ashamed of the whatever I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't even know her name and I don't give a fuck what her name is the italian one that quit. By the way, she quit because she couldn't handle it. Um they're like she made it seem like she got knocked out like cold in the in the ring. After 46 seconds she tapped out. She quit. When I watched the the the clips she got, she gets hit but she it's not like she gets knocked down and like x's over her eyes like come on, um, and as an italian, I feel fucking shameful, even though I mean I know what culture is like in it, italy.
Speaker 3:But, um, she's like trying to eat her words now and she's, you know, she regrets saying that. She's, she said it was because her Olympics went up in smoke and and she just lashed out and she regrets all of it and I'm like, well, you, you really you really yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker 3:So I hope she feels really bad. I hope there's some kind of legal or financial repercussions. But, um, no, it set off this thing and you're right that it's hard to get into that, especially as trans people, because it's so layered where cis people want to stand up for her and there is this whole thing of like you know, you get so transphobic, at some point you're gonna start, it's gonna start leaking to cis women, which is true and we know that to be true. But then, like when people's reaction is just like this is a biological woman and like I know, and I'm like it would be fine if she was a trans woman, like so there's all this focus on proving that she's biological woman, so she belongs there, and I'm like we have to be careful when we say that, because it would be, it would be literally fine if she was a trans woman and she beat this italian boxer. That would all be cool too.
Speaker 1:You're right. It is so layered and there's like the feminist side of it, like the traditional feminist side of like, oh, when a woman's too good at anything, she's a fucking man is she?
Speaker 1:like, what are you talking about? And then, and then, yeah, the co-opting transness into all of this stuff. I was saying to to my partner I feel like I've never said her name on this podcast and you always say Brit. My partner's called Em I was saying to her we're just getting trans people getting dragged into all these conversations, when I just I don't believe that we should be getting dragged in. Technically. By the way, statistically, we're like two to 5% of the population globally. That's what the numbers are.
Speaker 1:And when you think about that how small it is when every person I know is trans but if you think about genuinely how small that is, yeah, and how much of the media, the idea- of transness is getting is getting just infiltrated with everything. I'm like this doesn't make any sense, yeah, you know. And then, of course, we have to stand up for all of our trans community, because it's such a minority and we're just getting battered on every level yeah you know, I was so proud of my mom, I was like speaking to her on the phone.
Speaker 1:I was talking to her about money and she, you know, we live in, I love liverpool. It's been in the news a bit this week for some bad reasons, but I do love liverpool, where I'm from. But you know, we're not. We're not as um forward thinking, I would say as as a lot of um other big cities. So you know a lot of other big cities. So you know a lot of her, especially of her age, her friends. She got called woke as a insult, oh okay, by one of her friends and I was so proud of her. She was telling me you know, you know they called her woke and she said well, what is the definition of woke? It's to be awake, and so thank you for the compliment and I was like, yes, mom.
Speaker 2:I was like that's amazing.
Speaker 1:So at least our Cheryl's fighting away there.
Speaker 3:Cheryl, our Cheryl. Yeah, I love it With a C or an S A C. Cute Cheryl, good job, Good job Cheryl Shut up.
Speaker 2:But yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean just congratulations to her. Well fucking done. I made your country proud, you made us proud and I hope you're okay. Yeah, next headline, and this is from auto straddle uh, billy eilish doesn't have to guess the color of charlie xcs xcs's underwear, yay I'm gonna say good boy real quick.
Speaker 1:Okay, say good boy as well and this is just this.
Speaker 3:This article was written in reaction to the music video and the uh billy featuring on guest by charlie xcx talking about how hot it was and how good her verse is it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1:Yeah, did you say there was some controversy post? Yeah, this.
Speaker 3:So first of all I want to say my opinion is it like the most groundbreaking musical lyrical verse?
Speaker 3:no, but, it's fun and it's hot and it's a gay woman talking about pulling panties to the side and getting getting all up in it. This is a win for lesbian representation in media, in music, whatever. I think that's amazing, do I like? Should she be dressing the way that she is? No, have you been seeing these? She's just like dressing like white boys who tried to dress like black boys did in the early 2000s. She looks like malibu's most wanted. Do you get that reference?
Speaker 1:yeah, like that's what she looks like, but what? Why is this in it? Why are we saying that she's cropping black culture, like what is the?
Speaker 3:that's part of it, okay, and you know I am speaking saying this as a white person, so I'm just regurgitating what I'm seeing black people saying about it, which is like, as soon as especially because you can assume this is her she's come out.
Speaker 3:I mean, she's always really dressed like this, but ever since coming out, it's really she's really leaned into it, yeah and I think the main talking point is like, when white gay women lean into their masculinity, it's black masculinity and so yeah, it is co-opting a culture to express yourself. It's just this weird. It's just like when she did the chicken shop date and she's like wearing a fitted cap, like to the side with a bandana underneath it.
Speaker 3:I mean she looks good, but she's getting. Half of it is probably serious, half of it is probably just dragging her because it looks silly. The grills I'm just like you know, all of it in combination is taken from black culture Totally.
Speaker 1:I wonder where the boundary of this or the line of this is, because, in my opinion, every viral fashion moment we have, or cultural, every cultural moment that we have, derives from black culture a lot of the time and or queer culture right, Probably black queer culture right, yeah um, probably black queer culture, and so everything that I see that is commercialized at this point. You know, walking down um green street uh, green street here, or worcester street, and all these, you know louis vuitton, and well, that's different because we're allowed now.
Speaker 1:But you know all these, all of these very high-end shops. You see it slowly drip from you know black queer folks into very high-end shops. You see it slowly drip from you know, black queer folks into these high-end streets, and so for me it feels like maybe something that's just always occurred. And it's not surprising to me, you know, and so what I don't love is that we don't treat everybody in the same way. So one, is that okay or not?
Speaker 1:Let's like make a decision on that, because people do that across the board. And if it isn't okay, okay, let's make that clear. And if it is okay for some people and not others, it's like it's always gay people, isn't it like gay women that are getting like trashed for it so well.
Speaker 3:The other half of it, which is interesting to flip it, is that in that same conversation they're like well, when white men, uh, when white gay men lean into their femininity, it's a black, it's black women, yeah, so it's, it's just like, yeah, it's this swapping of like. If I'm going to lean into this like side of me that feels like the marginal size or you you're clinging on to like a culture that isn't yours, so it isn't it's. I guess it's nice that there's that available in this, like kinship I guess. But I guess the question is when is it co-opting and when is it appreciation? Totally?
Speaker 1:I guess totally. I'm happy for for someone of any race to take inspiration from something in my culture, as long as it is respected, you know, it's acknowledged and that these black I mean. It gets me back to this point where I'm like are black creators financially benefiting from this or not? And the answer to that is often no, and that makes me feel really sad. And then I'm like no, that's co-option, because the person that created this dance or this piece of music or this you know um fashion item isn't being credited for this thing. Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 3:But the act, the controversy in the queer community world and it's mostly met gay men are calling billy eilish predatory for that verse and for likes. There's a line in it that's charlie likes boys, but she knows I'd hit it, I'm like, or how fucking dumb are you to think that that verse was not cleared with charlie before they? Yeah, are you, could they?
Speaker 3:she probably wrote like she very well could have wrote it herself and given it to billy. They could have written it together. They were obviously recorded it together, recorded a whole music video, you think. Think at no point Charlie would have been like, hey, I'm uncomfortable with this. Also, charlie is 10 years older than her and people are also like there's this mix of people are like Billie Eilish is too young for you guys to be thirsting over her, she's 22. And then the other flip of it is she's a predator. And I'm like a gay woman talking about eating pussy is not inherently predatorial. It's this whole thing of like lesbians a dirty word and god forbid a woman has sexual desires, let alone sexual desires for another woman. Totally get the fuck over it.
Speaker 1:White gay men yeah, I'm not okay with this at all. And also, imagine how many songs talk about the sexualization of women and we don't say. We don't say anything about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how fun it is. Is it that they're collabing on right that sexualization? If that makes sense instead of just like a guy not collabing with a female artist and just rapping about. It's just, it's so frustrating anytime someone also we all forced billy out of the closet because the other criticism is like oh, she's been out for four months and she's already, you know, rapping about eating pussy or whatever, and I'm like we forced her out of the closet, we forced her to label herself because we kept calling her.
Speaker 3:We accused her of queer baiting, so she had to come out and be like I'm not queer baiting, I am queer. Yeah, it's just, it's impossible. It is, it is impossible. And she's 22. I'm sorry, she's an adult. Should, like, a 35 year old person, date her?
Speaker 1:maybe probably not, but like she is an adult and she's allowed to be sexual no 100 so weird to me it's so weird, but I feel like in oh, I don't want to say we can't win, but we often can't win, we can't win lesbians cannot win, lesbians truly and also like, yeah, I don't know. Also, I think and by the way, I don't want to throw him under the bus because I actually like central c, but, like you know, the central c song, what, what? Do you not know, he's in so much trouble right now. No, okay, maybe we have to cut this what did you do?
Speaker 3:no, I can just explain it. Yeah, it's okay, but before, before you do.
Speaker 1:I was just thinking of his song of how can I be homophobic? My, my bitch is gay, sure this, which finally has a bisexual girlfriend or dude or whatever, but more the fact that he talks about Doja Cat in it, oh yeah, and that he'd want to have sex with her essentially.
Speaker 1:And we all, just, you know, I say we the royal, we, we all were just like great, that's hot, you know, and to your point, mean he wasn't collabing with her on it, he just said that and we all were singing it and running around and saying whatever and not being like hey, is that predatory, or?
Speaker 3:is that like sexualizing? Is she?
Speaker 1:cool with that. Yeah, exactly, exactly, that's a great point anyway, what did he do?
Speaker 3:so there's a tiktok creator that I really like. Her name's mads. She's bisexual great. This is who that line is about the how can I be homophobic?
Speaker 2:my bitch is gay, it's about ads they've been dating for three years.
Speaker 3:Okay, he, oh god, it was her birthday at the beginning of july and he has this new song coming out with ice spice, and he they needed to go.
Speaker 3:I forget which country they were going to. They were going to a country to like, promote it and do all of this promotion for it, okay, and she was going with him, even though it was like her birthday, whatever. I'm gonna get some of these details wrong, but long story short, a paparazzi photos come out of him. Um, and ice spice shopping at this like very expensive store it's called something hearts okay, and purchasing stuff which is also like okay, like promo. They have a collab coming out like whatever. She was not informed of any of this, so she's literally like getting on like right before she gets on a plane to go to another country with him. She is finding out about these paparazzi photos and it's like okay.
Speaker 3:And then he said something to her like hey, heads up the next few days, please don't be mad at me. Footage comes out of like him at the club with her with ice spice, like all of this shit. Basically, him and his team, it's pr. Yeah, him and his team basically came up with this pr stunt because the song is also also he comes up to mads in bed and was like oh, here's my verse on the ice spy song and it's like I love to cheat, I'm a chronic cheater. I'm cheating on my girl right now. This is the verse, because the whole song is like right, ice spice. And him being like yeah, we cheat, we're both bad, like whatever, which is like again, if it's pr or whatever. But he left her in the dark for all of this, so she was not included in the fact that there was going to be all of these paparazzi photos and footage of him cheating on her on her birthday, oh my god. And so she's obviously broken up with him and she's made videos about him.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, I don't know if they like actually cheated or what, but like that is so mean to do to your also, like he's fucked around on her in the past and she's forgiven him.
Speaker 2:So like that's also why that cause?
Speaker 3:he's. He's embarrassed her previously.
Speaker 2:Poor fucking girl.
Speaker 3:That's awful. And this was all happening at the same time, so I'm like keeping up with my damn tiktok, relationship, these things, but central season trouble for that now and also I unfortunately I don't know how this goes and feminism and all but like people are hating on ice spice for it too. They're like, how could you do that girl?
Speaker 1:and I'm like she probably was just told show up at this date at this time, at this store yeah, and also I hate when people do that, because it's not not that you should be a homewrecker, but like people need to handle their own relationships yeah, like communicate. It's his girlfriend. What's it got to do with?
Speaker 3:that they were like posting tiktoks of them, like you know being all sexy yeah, oh god, and she's just like watching it in real time on her birthday. Oh, oh gosh, we got so distracted.
Speaker 1:Okay, next headline White dudes for Harris is the latest in a series of Zoom gatherings backing the vice president. I mean good boys now. Good boys, good boys, right. I think it's cool. I saw a lot of beef about it. People seemed unhappy about it.
Speaker 3:It's nuanced because I've said this probably eight times on this very short podcast already I don't like any politicians. I even on a previous episode on like the first or second episode, when you, when we made fun of Kamala and you were like, are we, are we dunking on her now? And I was like, oh well, she's a cop. I take that back. Ok, white people shouldn't be calling her a cop. If black people want to call her a cop, I think that's fine.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 3:I shouldn't, because I think that it's fucked. From what I'm seeing on the internet of like people you know calling people in and stuff. It's like call her a politician, call her a prosecutor, dunk on her for the wrongful imprisonment of people, for marijuana charges, like all of that. But like to call a black woman a cop, right, when she is not a cop is fucked up, okay. And also like takes away her credentials and like I don't know whatever, which I I agree with. So I take it back, but I forgive you. Thank you, but her record as a prosecutor is incredibly nuanced. She's done some like really incredible things with like gay marriage and like prison reform, and then she's also done really fucked up things like locking away people of color and the marijuana charges and all of that. It's very nuanced, which is like it's not black and white, like good and bad. It's like, oh, she's done stuff here, stuff there, whatever.
Speaker 1:And so you mean like every human.
Speaker 3:Like every human Interesting. And I do think at this point, like when Biden first dropped out, I was like Trump has it. You know my family chat. They're like what do we think? And I was like I think Trump has it. After the assassination attempt, my opinion has changed a little bit more. I think she has it. So, with all of that being said, I do think that at this point, if it's, if those two are the options, it's harris, it has to be right, and so I think these guys coming together is it a little like?
Speaker 3:it's kind of reminds me like during covid, when all the celebrities did like imagine, oh, god and like took their turn like it's very much like, okay, white millionaire celebrities, but seeing like Sean Astin and Jeff Bridges and like these like guys and the stuff that they were saying. I watched some of the clips like they were being. They were like I don't know, getting like a little vulnerable and like talking about how important it is for them to step up and the responsibility that they have to back a president who's not going to enforce Project 2025, basically that they have to back a president who's not going to enforce project 2025, basically, um.
Speaker 3:So I would say good boys, understanding that a lot of these people are like rich and famous people, so how good could they be? But yeah, it was fun, it was, it was. I think it's cool, I think it's cool.
Speaker 1:I I also have like a a more simplistic view on these things, where I'm like listen, obviously she's not perfect, but she's probably done the best possible stuff, especially, yeah, she's a woman of color yeah rising up in those ranks. I can't even imagine what she's had to go through and deal with, um, and probably or let's say maybe made some decisions that she's not 100 comfortable with to to do what she needs to do, and I can't judge her too much for that um, and we should hold people, hold politicians, accountable yeah and she's definitely better than trump.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that feels fucking obvious. And so if folks with a lot of influence are going to come through and donate to her and, you know, be really, really vocal about why people should vote for her, I'm like please that's amazing. Do it and I feel good about it, you know yeah, I feel good about it too.
Speaker 3:I saw on the train ride in this morning. It's so annoying. You're literally like whiplashed because I'm like her like stands on the gaza stuff, like she's called for a ceasefire, but she's also, like I know, said some really stupid shit. I'm sorry her office has said some. I'm sure it's not it's people writing these statements but there's this call for donations that she put out and she's in this video and she's like now's the time to donate. She is wearing a 62 000 necklace in that video and I'm just like who is on set? Who on her? Like?
Speaker 3:take that off of her, because you know, people are gonna identify what brand it is and they're gonna find it in two seconds.
Speaker 1:It's a 62 000 gold chain that was probably leased, that was probably rented for the, for the video. I mean it has to be said like totally it's stupid.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like if you're asking for my like that's like my friends when my friends are posting on instagram asking for money and then they're like in tulum and I'm like what the fuck are you doing? Everyone deserves a vacation, but I thought that I was donating to something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, yeah, I mean yeah, and the thing is, that's not her fault, it's her team. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I guess, I don't know, I don't even like throw me in a campaign tee, oh, 100%, I hold one of my mugs. That I'm have you. Have you seen the bisexual? Yeah with the chip in it. Have you seen the bisexual? The official campaign website is selling like.
Speaker 1:A bisexual mug? Yeah, no, it's not.
Speaker 3:What does it say on it? It's like her in three different suits creating the bisexual flag. So it's like pink, light, light, purple and blue, oh my gosh, and it's like the bisexual flag.
Speaker 1:That is so good. I want to know if anyone can tell us who works on the campaign. How many have been sold?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, that would be amazing. That was Kamala Corner. Kamala Corner We'll be having for the next four years and she's fun, you know she is fun, like you know, yeah.
Speaker 2:I saw a video also. For some reason, I'm in this weird Republican algorithm and I can't understand why.
Speaker 1:Like I sent you that thing about, like the terse lesbians that came up on your feed organically, yeah, why, though? I don't know, I've never clicked on any of these, anyway. So then I clicked on that, and then. I sent it to you and I should have done that, and so now it keeps showing me all these things. So that's depressing because, seeing the other side of the coin, is it Tea time?
Speaker 3:Okay, we're going to do tea time, which is when Kylo and I talk about testosterone and how we get it into our bodies and what it's doing to our bodies. Yesterday or today's the 5th, that is four months for me, which feels cuckoo bananas. What are some updates? My belly is full of hair, which I love, and it goes right down into the thigh and the groin. I don't know where my pubes end and my thigh hair starts, I think which is kind of ideal yeah, my voice is getting deeper.
Speaker 3:I wonder what we'll be able to like hear it through the progression of the podcast, which is fun. But my voice is getting deeper to the point where my mom is like are you sick? Um, what else? What else?
Speaker 1:I'm watching gay porn oh yeah, we kind of. We kind of touched on it at the beginning.
Speaker 3:I'm shaving, shaving my whole face. My, I almost said my whole head, my whole face now, cause I was letting the mustache go. I said last episode I got one comment on Tik TOK telling me to shave it and I did, but it's like not coming in entirely yet. Um, I still haven't figured out my like skincare exfoliation thing. Um, if anybody has any recommendations for exfoliants for after shaving your face that will prevent pimples, that would be fantastic. I really like there's not like anything else huge going on tea wise. I'm trying to think of it if anything's changing.
Speaker 1:No, I don't. I'm trying to think what's going on. I had my legs are really. I know it doesn't look like it. Also, I'm not very hairy, and I'm having to compare myself to mati, who is now growing hair everywhere. Um, I'm not very hairy, but my legs are starting to grow hair. It's so funny, though, because I think it's not that much hair, but I look at it and I'm like it.
Speaker 1:It feels not like my leg you know, so I'm in this like weird, I guess, because it's a much slower process and so I'm not realizing. But I was lying in bed last night and I was like damn, like there's hair all the way down my legs and I guess as a woman, I used to shave like constantly. I even got a little bit of hair um laser hair removal when I was a woman, um on my underarms and on my junk yeah and so it took a really long it really hurt.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it did really hurt. My sisters were just getting it and I was young and I was like sure, that sounds like a really fun idea. Um, luckily though it's not permanent. Or I guess it is permanent, we do it enough, but I hadn't done it enough um, and so I'm now.
Speaker 1:It's taken so long to grow back and now everything's growing back, but then I don't even recognize my own body. It's taking like a weird. I am affirmed by it, but it's, it's. I have this natural, like shock or something looking at my own yeah body getting hairy? Do you have you found that or do you? Are you just loving it?
Speaker 3:I'm loving it. I've I've always been really hairy. I'm Italian and, like, I don't, like I used to get bullied so much for having arm hair and hair on my finger knuckles and my hands. I used to shave it and get it waxed in high school, um, which is just so sad. Kids are mean. Um, kids are so mean and so, like, I'm just used to it, so it's not very jarring to me. The stomach is a little jarring just because, like, I used to make sure I shaved that happy trail because I was like, oh, I don't want that or whatever. It was also like blonde and now it's dark, so it's not very jarring. Is this the most hair you've ever had on your legs?
Speaker 3:yeah do you feel when you're wearing shorts outside? Do you feel the, the wind? Yeah, because when when I started growing out my leg hair, that was the first thing I noticed. I'm like that's a crazy feeling, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:I kept thinking there was bugs on my legs like it was a spider or something, but it was just my own hair.
Speaker 3:Oh, were you freaking out, because I know you don't like that I hate bugs so I kept like slapping my own leg yeah, but now I'm getting used to that, but it's just is it just genetically that you don't, that you're not very?
Speaker 1:hairy. Yeah, I guess my dad's not very hairy either, yeah, so no, I didn't think so. But no, I'm good, happy we have to do. We keep saying we're gonna do it, but we have to talk about fertility a bit, because that's what's really slowing down my oh yeah, I feel like that should be a whole, that should be a whole thing thing yeah but do you want to just say really quickly why?
Speaker 3:why you haven't upped?
Speaker 1:yeah, so I haven't upped my testosterone because I am getting my eggs frozen, or rather embryos frozen, which is essentially just when they remove your egg, fertilize it with some sperm and then freeze them so you have babies ready to go um. Once you take too much testosterone, I guess the eggs become infertile over time. I'm probably butchering all this Um and you um.
Speaker 1:I don't know at what point you can't like carry a baby, or at what point the eggs become infertile, but at some point, and so the doctors are being very cautious with how much testosterone I take until I get these eggs taken out. Um, do you have your sperm already? You know I gotta tell the story. So we're looking for sperm heads up for anybody that looks remotely like me and is a cis man. So we're looking for sperm and you can go to the sperm bank. You know that is an option, but there's not. First, there's not a lot of mixed race sperm. There's not a lot of black sperm in general, but there's certainly not a lot of mixed race sperm I'm assuming, just because of like racism and I believe so.
Speaker 1:I believe so yeah, um, and you know, yeah, I don't, you know, I don't know the reason for it, but we've just been struggling to find um and it's very obviously very important for me to have um, so, anyway. So instead I've been sort of just like going on this rampage of just like, let me try and find a guy. I don't have a brother either, um, I don't have a full blood brother anyway, um, so anyway, I came, I come across this guy on tiktok and he looks exactly like me. He's like mixed race green eyes, my height, he's british, caribbean not jamaican, but he's like mixed okay um and uh and I'm like, oh, my god, this guy's amazing.
Speaker 1:And he's like young, he's a triathlete, he's like he has all these great qualities. So I'm like this is this would be great sperm, right? So I, I message him, I love it.
Speaker 3:I DM him.
Speaker 1:Is he like a tiktoker, like he has a little bit like, I think he's like doing his best, but like he's not but he's not like super viral or anything.
Speaker 1:Um, I guess my phone was listening to me looking for sperm and it just like fed me him so, um, so I DM him and I'm like, hey, um, this is like going to be the weirdest message that you ever receive. But you know, I'm a trans guy and I'm looking for sperm and it's really hard to find mixed race sperm and we look really similar, um, and obviously this is a huge ask, so, but if you have any, you know you want to talk about it maybe, or you think you consider it, let me know, um, and this guy messages me back and he says hey, for the first thing he says is hey, that must have been really difficult to send, wow it's not so cute.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like one tear just fell to my face and I was like he's, he's sweet and kind, he's the perfect sperm, um, so he's like that's the perfect sperm and he's like that must have been really difficult for you to send um. And uh, and he's like. You know, I've never thought about this before obviously I mean, why would you? I suppose he's like I never thought about this before, um, and I'd have to like I'd need a bit more information you know fair enough, yeah.
Speaker 1:So I messaged him back and say, yeah, no, worries. Like do you want to, do you want to jump on a call? This was like too much, too soon so then, he met me back and said oh like, can you just text me? Can you just like message me the process, so I was like fair enough.
Speaker 1:So I wanted to be really considered about it. So we went to the doctors. I wanted to figure out what he would have to do, right, because there's lots of nuances in this. He's in the UK. We'd have to fly him to New York, like there's all this stuff. So I get all the information and I go to message him back. And as I go to his profile, I look on my birthday.
Speaker 1:Right, it just happens to be my birthday when I'm like I should send this message right and I go to his profile. This is not please tell me. You're blocked. I'm not blocked. It's his birthday on the same day as my fucking birthday. I swear to god, can you believe that? Did you say something to him? Yeah, yeah, I was like dude, is it your birthday? You know, I was like is it your birthday today? I couldn't believe it. And then I was like anyway, here's all the information to send to him, so I don't.
Speaker 1:I know so like, um, I keep saying, like, don't get too excited, and like, pull your eggs in one basket. No pun intended, but you know, in my mind, don't put all your eggs in one sperm. Don't pull your eggs in one sperm what is? The like. I don't know the statistical likelihood of finding someone that like looks like me, is like healthy same ethnicity, same race um same birthday yeah what is the likelihood of?
Speaker 2:that crazy isn't it.
Speaker 3:You kind of like you started this out with you were a good boy because you shot your shot.
Speaker 1:You were talked about the wrong shot this is a huge shot to take, so I don't know if if he'll be the guy of it or work I mean even if he's not.
Speaker 3:That's like the band-aid that you've ripped off of, like asking this kind of uncomfortable but important question and totally and like and, to be honest, I just assumed.
Speaker 1:I mean, and I'm not a cis guy, so maybe cis guys can weigh in on this. I just assumed it would be. The answer would be no nine times out of ten, yeah but, maybe it's not as crazy price yeah, listen, if I had come up, but maybe it's not as crazy If it's the right price.
Speaker 3:Listen, if I had cum, if I?
Speaker 1:had sperm. You do have cum.
Speaker 3:If I had sperm, I'd be giving it away for the right price, for sure. What?
Speaker 1:about donation. Yeah, oh like for free yeah.
Speaker 3:Does anybody do it for free? Yeah, I think so. Sperm donation, even though it's called donation.
Speaker 1:You do get paid for it, though sure, but, like I think, imagine how many lesbians there are. I mean, look at the thousand. The guy with a thousand kids, there are people giving away sperm for free. I think yeah, yeah, yeah, um, but sure there needs to be some sort of incentive, especially you don't know the person yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:Well, if someone was like we're having a really hard time, like if it just would make someone's life for sure, I don't know I'm just like I got a lot of that stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, anyway, I don't know. I'm just like I got a lot of that stuff. Well, anyway, I don't know how we got into that but that's really cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's sperm time as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll keep everybody updated and, and I'm praying, hope that he's not listening to this podcast, although you are my number one pick, if you are listening.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, my God.
Speaker 1:Could we have him on? I don't know, I'm worried now people like find him? I don't think so. Yeah, um, everyone starts asking him for sperm. I know, don't ask him, he's mine. Yeah, he's my sperm guy. Well, yeah, for that. Kylo, good boy. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, um. Are you gonna say it back to me? For what are we?
Speaker 3:finishing the podcast.
Speaker 1:No, no, we don't have to oh, okay, yeah, let's finish.
Speaker 2:Okay, um, I'm just like we should finish it properly.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I don't know, we did all the sections oh great, okay, good, sorry, repeat well, kylo, good boy, thanks, marty. Good boy, marty, thank you, thanks, good boys.
